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OptionVotes
THE BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES; Samuel Goldwyn (RKO Radio Pictures) 15
IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE; (RKO Radio Pictures) 14
HENRY V; (United Artists) 1
THE RAZOR'S EDGE; (20th Century-Fox) 0
THE YEARLING; (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer) 0


I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:05 (one year ago) link

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I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:05 (one year ago) link

The Best Years of Our Lives without any hesitation; one of the better Best Pic winners. Maybe Henry V in second. I don't get IAWL. The Yearling is better than you remember, The Razor's Edge worse. One of my abuela's favorite movies, though. Watching it with her about ten years ago I tried to be clever and wondered aloud if she didn't think Clifton Webb was, you know, gay. "Dear, we knew that then," she said.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:07 (one year ago) link

It's possible i've never seen The Yearling.

Anyway I like the first 3 a lot.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:13 (one year ago) link

btw this is 1946

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:14 (one year ago) link

I don't get IAWL.

you monster

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:16 (one year ago) link

Voting for the dark as fuck exploration of alternate realities.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:20 (one year ago) link

Voting for the dark as fuck exploration of alternate realities.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles),

yeah, The Yearling's good.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 14:37 (one year ago) link

IAWL is not that hard to get imho. A fanfare for the common man, or how to justify the reality that all of your youthful dreams crashed and burned. It's very effective.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:00 (one year ago) link

TBYOOY>>>>IAWL

. (Michael B), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 15:04 (one year ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of The Best Years of Our Lives. The Howard Russel stuff is effective, but the rest strikes me as alternately sappy, jingoistic and inappropriate (turning March's alcoholism into wacky comedy). Admittedly, though, my feelings towards the film are so out of step with the general consensus that I probably owe it a fresh viewing.

I like It's a Wonderful Life, still haven't seen Henry V and never thought to bother with the other two.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:57 (one year ago) link

uh voting for the one I've seen I guess (which is great and I have seen it probably 30 times or so)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 16:59 (one year ago) link

I probably owe it a fresh viewing.

You do because the domestic scenes dealing with March integrating into a family he no longer recognizes or even wants anymore are extraordinary for the time, helped immeasurably by Gregg Toland's deep focus.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

I find the Russell stuff hard to watch, actually

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:00 (one year ago) link

uh voting for the one I've seen I guess (which is great and I have seen it probably 30 times or so)

― Οὖτις,

Never took you for a Tyrone Power fan

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

Harold Russell btw

i like March and especially Dana Andrews, but i think Best Years has become just a tad overpraised.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

altho Henry V sounds kind of interesting

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

it's probably Olivier's second best Shakespeare film after Richard III

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:03 (one year ago) link

the right movie won this year

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:09 (one year ago) link

Teresa Wright is amazing in The Best Years of Our Lives.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:10 (one year ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of The Best Years of Our Lives. The Howard Russel stuff is effective, but the rest strikes me as alternately sappy, jingoistic and inappropriate (turning March's alcoholism into wacky comedy). Admittedly, though, my feelings towards the film are so out of step with the general consensus that I probably owe it a fresh viewing.

― Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:57 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think it's jingoistic, it actually feels pretty measured for a movie that came out right when the war ended. It's a remarkably sad movie, and depicts a kind of veteran neglect that doesn't get talked about much anymore. When we talk about vets being mistreated, we think of soldiers coming back from Vietnam and being spit on, or PTSD wrecked post-9/11 vets that don't have health insurance. This is more of a universal neglect, not so connected to WWII: for their own comfort, people prefer to look the other way. A lot of the movie is about peoples' discomfort verging on disgust with disabled people.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:24 (one year ago) link

actually, I've only seen TBYOOL getting its due weight in the last 20 years. For most of the auteurist-dominated discourse from the sixties to eighties it was, "lol William Wyler"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

btw reading about Wyler's war experience in Five Came Back is valuable in appreciating how much of himself he put into it.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:28 (one year ago) link

of course the Capra movie has its own element of postwar gloom, more indirectly

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:29 (one year ago) link

haven't seen the razor's edge, but the others are all good to great.

strange fact: stanley kubrick put henry v in his list of the 10 best films ever made.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 17:57 (one year ago) link

Henry V's London premiere was in November '44, not in the US til summer '46. So obviously it had some native propaganda value. James Agee called it "one of the cinema's great works of art".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk_rPHoSc8w

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:15 (one year ago) link

Gregg Toland's deep focus

More than anything, this may be what convinces me to give it another shot, mostly because it just reminded me that I've only ever seen the film on commercial television.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:27 (one year ago) link

btw for anyone that missed this: the final shot in Abbas Kiarostami's final film 24 Frames features the final shot of TBYOOL (Teresa Wright kissing Dana Andrews).

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:35 (one year ago) link

if anything, Best Years' biggest problem might be some of the writing, by Robert Sherwood, a highly respected "playwright of quality" at the time (Abe Lincoln in Illinois) but no one's idea of an equal to who came after in the Arthur Miller-Tenn Williams group.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:37 (one year ago) link

Henry V only makes sense if you've seen the first four movies IIRC

Pirate's booty call (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:54 (one year ago) link

that joke usta slay the groundlings

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 August 2018 18:57 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

I loved The Best Years of Our Lives but still voted for It's a Wonderful Life

Dan S, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 00:18 (one year ago) link

how about changing the thread title to the correct year?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 02:32 (one year ago) link

Not my business what Capra believed in his private life, unfortunately his particularly lame conservatism is the backbone of all his big movies including It's a Wonderful Life, a xmas classic everyone now loves, or at least say they love every year and sometimes forces me to watch ----- a trying movie! So many superior xmas movies of the era. So I'm feeling particularly antagonistic, a touch of 'I'll throw a vote to any of the other candidates' here.

*I like some of his pre-code stuff

abcfsk, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 15:51 (one year ago) link

principal writer was a socialist tho

Capra was a mass of political contradictions before he congealed in later years -- he was also head of the directors guild for awhile

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 15:54 (one year ago) link

His pre-It Happened One Night productions are fun and suggest a rebellious spirit but his Big Old Classics are so damn moralistic. Family, religion, country.

abcfsk, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:01 (one year ago) link

but again, before its denouement, the plot of IAWL suggests that if you play by the rules and make sacrifices for others, you may... face loss of your business and a prison sentence

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:08 (one year ago) link

Feel like IaWL invented a bunch of the cliches it's accused of. Criticizing Capra is a lot like criticizing Dickens imo - not wrong, but not getting it.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:17 (one year ago) link

and I'm sure I used to be a lot more critical of both when I was younger and spikier.

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:17 (one year ago) link

The more life disappoints you (the royal "you"), the more IAWL grows in stature.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:21 (one year ago) link

It's a Wonderful Life is practically In a Year of 13 Moons if you're given to self-pity--I mean that as a compliment.

clemenza, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:25 (one year ago) link

Eric horribly otm there, also clem, neatly diagnosing my aging sentimentality

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 16:32 (one year ago) link

So many superior xmas movies of the era.

Even though I like it, this is otm. Is there an explanation for how IAWL became so ubiquitous as an xmas movie?

rob, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:36 (one year ago) link

not an answer but via wikipedia:

Capra revealed that this was his personal favorite among the films he directed and that he screened it for his family every Christmas. season

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:38 (one year ago) link

this is what I thought, it became because it was on TV all the time:

The film's elevation to the status of a beloved classic came decades after its initial release, when it became a television staple during Christmas season in the late 1970s. This came as a welcome surprise to Frank Capra and others involved with its production. "It's the damnedest thing I've ever seen," Capra told The Wall Street Journal in 1984. "The film has a life of its own now, and I can look at it like I had nothing to do with it. I'm like a parent whose kid grows up to be president. I'm proud... but it's the kid who did the work. I didn't even think of it as a Christmas story when I first ran across it. I just liked the idea." In a 1946 interview, Capra described the film's theme as "the individual's belief in himself" and that he made it "to combat a modern trend toward atheism".

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:40 (one year ago) link

became *a staple

flappy bird, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:40 (one year ago) link

It's a remarkably sad movie, and depicts a kind of veteran neglect that doesn't get talked about much anymore. When we talk about vets being mistreated, we think of soldiers coming back from Vietnam and being spit on, or PTSD wrecked post-9/11 vets that don't have health insurance. This is more of a universal neglect, not so connected to WWII: for their own comfort, people prefer to look the other way.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, August 7, 2018 1:24 PM (three weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

FWIW, Wyler's The Stolen Ranch (1926) focuses on a pair of WWI vets, one of whom has returned with "shell shock"; the scenario takes particular note of how Frank's PTSD is triggered by gunfire. (The resolution of his trauma is tooth-grindingly facile, but the attention to this in a minor Western is interesting.)

Of these nominees I've only seen Henry V, and that all too many years ago, so I won't vote in this poll.

when it became a television staple during Christmas season in the late 1970s

During this time IAWL was assumed to have slipped into the public domain, so it was cheap and popular programming.

Accattony! Accattoni! Accattoné! (j.lu), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:52 (one year ago) link

I remember being stunned, watching a circa 1970 interview with Donald Shebib on the DVD of Goin' Down the Road, where he expressed his fondness for Capra and cited IAWL as one one of the director's less well known films. As an 80s kid, I just assumed that the film had been a holiday standard since time immemorial.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 18:59 (one year ago) link

As a 70s kid, it wasn't! I'm not sure when it became so ubiquitous, but I can clearly remember stumbling across it on late night TV in my early teens and being astounded by it.

My association with Best Years is very similar, extremely moving film as a kid. Love them both, voted Wonderful Life.

Freddy "Boom Boom" QAnon (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 19:54 (one year ago) link

Mods weren't seeing the edit request so I logged in to my mod acct and fixed the title.

WmC, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:14 (one year ago) link

he made it "to combat a modern trend toward atheism"

Well that worked.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:43 (one year ago) link

No and yes!

Western culture not exactly free of Judeo-Christian influence since the 1940s, especially, maybe, Hollywood

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 20:55 (one year ago) link

The "combatting atheism" quote is hilarious as, from the modern perspective, IAWL feels as much of a work of pop spirituality as The Force in Star Wars. Maybe Capra's guardian angels fit more snugly within the Judea-Christian tradition, but I feel like the film is hardly what contemporary Christians mean when they bemoan secular culture.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 21:51 (one year ago) link

JudeO

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 21:51 (one year ago) link

crypto otm and more precisely than me

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 22:01 (one year ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:01 (one year ago) link

Whoa, nice

flappy bird, Thursday, 30 August 2018 00:24 (one year ago) link

the distance between the way ppl tend to talk about capra and my own experience of his films is so wide that it almost makes me wonder if i'm being totally objective. probably not, but i remember first seeing IAWL around the age of 10 and just being shocked at what a dark and sad film it was, right up until the last 15 minutes. suffice to say none of the "christmas classics" i was familiar with revolved around a man being driven to suicide, complete with a villain who gets away at the end. and every time i see the thing it seems sadder. capra is one of those artists whose ubiquity and reputation may make it difficult to see the darkness in his work (i used to have to make similar defenses of charles schulz). and yeah, his actual real-life politics seem to have been very confused. but "don't trust the teller, trust the tale" applies here i think.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 30 August 2018 04:09 (one year ago) link

Without giving too much away, David Thomson's 'novel' Suspects definitely speaks to the darkness at the heart of IAWL - and that was first published in 1985, so correctives to Capracorn critiques have been around for a while now.

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 30 August 2018 08:20 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I think "IAWL is some dark shit" is a reasonably popular opinion now, coming both from its admirers and (less laudably) from the "did you notice Shaggy and Scooby are STONERS" brigade. My gf saw it for the first time a few years ago, with next to no previous cultural baggage, and came out of the movie depressed at how sad George's life was.

Capra's own justifications are total bullshit yeah. Bailey's belief in himself is centred around community, which he is both frustrated with and ultimately redeemed by, and the cartoon angels are about as canonical as Here Comes Mr.Jordan.

Re: the movie's supposed reactionary nature, I think the only aspect that you can truly throw that accusation at is Pottersville, the den of booze and Jazz music that springs up w/o George's presence - which is lame and crypto-racist moralizing, yeah, but also not really surprising for a movie from its time. Everything else in the movie is about helping the weak, building community and fighting against a slumlord businessman villain. Morb's point that the screenwriter was a socialist seems pertinent.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 30 August 2018 08:52 (one year ago) link

Well there's also the Kind Capitalist as the solution to all problems.

abcfsk, Thursday, 30 August 2018 10:48 (one year ago) link

Yeah, but the Kind Capitalist leads a pretty sad life and brings his business to ruin through employing an incompetent person through his kindness - I don't think George Bailey can be read as aspirational.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:53 (one year ago) link

I agree that any film that doesn't offer a thorough Marxist critique of its protagonist is morally bankrupt.

Noodle Vague, Thursday, 30 August 2018 15:55 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

Rewatching The Best Years of Our Lives this evening thanks to TCM and it's still a shock to hear Theresa Wright declare "I'm going to break up that marriage."

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 02:46 (five months ago) link

lol yeah

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 02:54 (five months ago) link

I loved people who were captivated by It's a Wonderful Life before I saw the movie, it made it easier for me to appreciate it

Dan S, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:02 (five months ago) link

It's a Wonderful Life is by a good measure the better film. Not the "righter" film, but the better one.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:16 (five months ago) link

A movie that calls life "wonderful" and then goes out of its way to prove all the ways it isn't. Baller.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:16 (five months ago) link

Rewatching The Best Years of Our Lives this evening thanks to TCM and it's still a shock to hear Theresa Wright declare "I'm going to break up that marriage."

― Pauline Male (Eric H.), Monday, September 30, 2019 10:46 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol yeah

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, September 30, 2019 10:54 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

goat

flappy bird, Tuesday, 1 October 2019 03:17 (five months ago) link

I say this every time i'm going to break up a marriage

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 October 2019 11:37 (five months ago) link


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