ILX’s Top 77 Television and Streaming Video Series of 2020

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That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link

I really should get around to watching more than a few episodes of BB at some point since Home Movies is an all-time classic.

I wonder if they would've made it to 200 episodes if they'd stuck with the original premise of a family of burger-slinging cannibals.

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:01 (three years ago) link

Not quite a website and not quite a streaming program, Jon Bois' 20020 represents something unique on our countdown: it’s the sole instance of (sort of?) interactive fiction that we voted in.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link

(on retrospect, i don't know that IF is as accurate a term to use here as "multimedia fiction" is, but I'd need someone who read the piece to confirm.)

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

OK

1. Why was I the only one to vote for She-Ra when I didn't even nominate it, HMMMM???? Famously I loved the last season despite being entirely indifferent to the everything that came before it -- the emotional payoff of my favorite character (also their haircut) turned me around completely on the series.

2. Who was the other Oxventure voter?! The campaign where they help their paladin through a series of trials is hilarious, if only for "Charismatic Cheat Friends".

Mike Mignola Electric Co. (Leee), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link

Comedy rapper Lil Dicky parlayed his celebrity, skills and connections for a starring role in an FX niche signature specialty: the overly-personal, half-hour bio-comedy with elements of magical realism.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link

Sorry ILX, but I am never gonna watch a show starring Lil Dicky

american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:24 (three years ago) link

your loss

johnny crunch, Monday, 8 February 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link

everyone keeps telling me that it's a good show but yeah it's hard to get past the lil dicky of it all

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:32 (three years ago) link

the linked sway in the morning freestyle prob shouldve placed in 77 top tracks list (2019) also imo

johnny crunch, Monday, 8 February 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link

Next up is the eighth official television spin-off of the Star Trek universe (The Orville notwithstanding) and the second to spotlight the beloved Next Generation Captain Jean-Luc Picard.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 18:59 (three years ago) link

20020 was my #2. Unbelievable storytelling and synthesis of fact and speculative fiction. Boot it up on your phone and get scrolling. Jon Bois is the best

imago, Monday, 8 February 2021 19:21 (three years ago) link

I'd call it less interactive fiction than...like...a website that's also...a story? That you scroll through at your own speed?

imago, Monday, 8 February 2021 19:22 (three years ago) link

With video bits and visualisations?

imago, Monday, 8 February 2021 19:22 (three years ago) link

Uh, I'm pretty certain that the Jon Bois thing has been on my 'read this when you've got a spare day' list for, like, multiple years?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 February 2021 19:32 (three years ago) link

Oh okay, never mind, it's the sequel to that, sorry.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 February 2021 19:35 (three years ago) link

I really should get around to watching more than a few episodes of BB at some point since Home Movies is an all-time classic.

Bob's Burgers is one of those shows that's never not enjoyable but also never really feels compulsory. My own feeling is that there's a vital spark in Dr. Katz and Home Movies which isn't really there. But maybe it's just that there's a shtick to Bouchard's work that I'm now on my third time seeing. Certainly the performances in BB are great.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 8 February 2021 19:37 (three years ago) link

I mean, just from my cursory viewing of BB it seems to be lacking the 'funny people just loosely riffing in the recording booth' vibe of the former two, but I could be wrong.

Vladislav Bibidonurtmi (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 February 2021 19:41 (three years ago) link

Ethan Hawke on reading The Good Lord Bird:

The magic trick that author James McBride does by telling the story through 14-year-old Onion's point of view is he lets you laugh about it. He writes the humanness into it, as opposed to kind of a political angle. It's not self-serious, and yet it's full of tremendous heart. ... McBride finds a way to make it a healing experience to look at systematic racism, the wit of his writing is so compelling. And so when I finished it, I just felt hellbent on a mission that getting this story into our culture so that it's easier to talk about some of these things.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 19:51 (three years ago) link

Our second back-to-back book-to-prestige-TV-miniseries adaptation is a too-of-the-moment alt-history Philip Roth novel imagining what 1940’s America would have become if Charles Lindbergh became president. Spoiler: it's fascist.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link

“the sic rule.” As your author is American, the listed provenance and linked website for each show is predominantly going to be for its streaming home in the United States,

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ tbf

Please specify primary network/streamer that it aired on.

― the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Friday, December 18, 2020 9:08 AM (one month ago)

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:17 (three years ago) link

loved the good lord bird and hawke's performance. that desus and mero interview is very enjoyable, thanks for linking it.

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:19 (three years ago) link

Last one for today; check out my dope finishing move off the top rope!

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:22 (three years ago) link

We tried getting into Bob's Burgers after finishing Adventure Time and/or Steven Universe, so while Tina, Gene and Louise as axes for personality types is urgent and key, we were very "Is this still on? Seriously, 21 minutes, what is this?"

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 8 February 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link

That’s all for Monday on an understandably quiet day, given the poll’s low numbers at the outset. We’ll be back tomorrow with a run up to #50 but, until then, I would love to hear defense and recommendations of these shows from their voters!

#65 (Tie) - AEW Dynamite (TBS) - 18 points, 3 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#65 (Tie) - The Plot Against America (HBO) - 18 points, 3 votes
#67 - The Good Lord Bird (HBO) - 18 points, 2 votes, 1 #1 vote, 1 top 5 vote
#68 - Star Trek: Picard (CBS All Access) - 18 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#69 - Dave (FX) - 16 points, 3 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#70 - 20020 (SB Nation) - 16 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#71 - Bob’s Burgers (FX) - 15 points, 3 votes
#72 (Tie) - Oxventure Dungeons and Dragons! (YouTube) - 15 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#72 (Tie) - Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult (Starz) - 15 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#72 (Tie) - Taskmaster (Channel 4) - 15 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#72 (Tie) - Teenage Bounty Hunters (Netflix) - 15 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#72 (Tie) - Videogame Dunkey (YouTube) - 15 points, 2 votes, 1 top 5 vote
#77 (Tie) - Bluey (Disney +) - 15 points, 1 vote, 1 #1 vote, 1 top 5 vote
#77 (Tie) - Followers (Netflix) - 15 points, 1 vote, 1 #1 vote, 1 top 5 vote
#77 (Tie) - She-Ra and the Princesses of Power (Netflix) - 15 points, 1 vote, 1 #1 vote, 1 top 5 vote
#77 (Tie) - The Umbrella Academy (Netflix) - 15 points, 1 vote, 1 #1 vote, 1 top 5 vote
#77 (Tie) - We Are Who We Are (HBO) - 15 points, 1 vote, 1 #1 vote, 1 top 5 vote

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:24 (three years ago) link

really wished i'd checked out Plot Against America, sounds like it's right in my wheelhouse.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link

:D at all the 1 vote, #1 vote ties

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link

I wanted to see that too and was too slow on the draw--believe it played on Prime before I signed up...I'm catching up compared to five years ago, but wow, most of these shows are obscure to me. I'm think I'm just baby-steps removed from 1995.

clemenza, Monday, 8 February 2021 20:37 (three years ago) link

I had Bob's Burgers pretty high and feel like it's a perfect TV show. it's been on forever and i feel like the quality has held steady; without having to resort to any current affairs or over the top zany new characters or humour that's not suited to the show. i'm kind of amazed they're still doing the same thing and still doing it so well – and as someone who enjoys edgier stuff, I really like their approach to pg-level humour.

xpost - Clem: I'm clearing out a few shows I never got to finish, but maybe we can synchronize our watching in a couple weeks?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 February 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link

Sounds good, but I think they took it down, no?

clemenza, Monday, 8 February 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link

I was the other Oxventure vote. Learned about the show from the 2019 list. Lots of fun.

that's not my post, Monday, 8 February 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link

plot against america is worthwhile, i was one of the voters;

i'm a big roth fan but him doing alternative history did not grab me when i tried the novel ten or so yrs ago, maybe i'd be more into it now; the miniseries felt p tone perfect in establishing that era and the fear and powerlessness of sociopolitical occurrances/movements

johnny crunch, Monday, 8 February 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link

i enjoyed Man in the High Castle and feel like it might be along those lines?

Clem - if they did, I'll find it elsewhere and can share with you, if you like.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 February 2021 21:35 (three years ago) link

I was the other Oxventure vote. Learned about the show from the 2019 list. Lots of fun.

Aw, nice! Have you watched their new Blades in the Dark campaigns? The first has been the only one with the whole group (the subsequent ones have featured only two players), but Mike's role-playing for Barnaby has been exquisite.

Mike Mignola Electric Co. (Leee), Monday, 8 February 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link

xpost, Blades in the Dark goes to the top of the need to watch list...

that's not my post, Monday, 8 February 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link

add me to the "Dave is actually good, I promise" chorus

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 00:00 (three years ago) link

Nothing I voted for has showed up yet. Have a feeling most of my ballot will be high consensus picks, and the other two or three won't make the list

Vinnie, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 00:35 (three years ago) link

Seen enough of two of these to know they aint for me (disclosure they were annoying and bad) but ill check out the plot against america

scampsite (darraghmac), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link

I was the one voter for We Are Who We Are, so was glad I submitted a ballot. I liked that it meandered and was open-ended and mostly plotless, it seemed fitting for the two teenage characters it followed, bonding over realizing they were both queer and dealing with the resulting alienation

Dan S, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:05 (three years ago) link

I also like that the first character it focuses on, played by Jack Dylan Grazer, is strange and sulky and kind of off-putting, and his counterpoint, Jordan Kristine Seamón is the opposite

Dan S, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:07 (three years ago) link

OK so as noted in the noms thread Idve voted for Umbrella Academy and prob in top 5, so it would have been way up the list could I have done so :( oh well.

I've only now seen Seduced, mightve voted for it too, its pretty full on.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:27 (three years ago) link

with we are who we are: the immensely fucked up relationships of Sevigny and everyone in her sphere got downright comical eventually

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:41 (three years ago) link

she was completely in charge as a commander but such a mess as a mother and wife, it was interesting

Dan S, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:47 (three years ago) link


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