Star Trek: Picard

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Yeah, I think we need a full thread now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FySrgrKJguE

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:14 (four months ago) link

yeah, watched this trailer five minutes ago and I haven't stopped crying yet.

methanietanner, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:50 (four months ago) link

Has it gone? I get "video unavailable".

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:03 (four months ago) link

Nope, it's up -- try reloading. (Also maybe you have to look elsewhere if you're not in the US -- it's showing on Amazon Prime in the UK IIRC.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:13 (four months ago) link

Okay, that ending got to me more than all the nu-SW sequel reunions. Did not expect that.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:22 (four months ago) link

How am I going to stay dark until the premiere? These three months are going to be painful!

Doctor Hu (Leee), Saturday, 5 October 2019 23:01 (four months ago) link

Why is (redacted) in Kirk's Nexus house?

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 6 October 2019 01:42 (four months ago) link

It's not like Kirk is using it.

Doctor Hu (Leee), Sunday, 6 October 2019 03:15 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Apparently the last scheduled Short Trek is going to be a Picard prequel!

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Friday, 6 December 2019 23:59 (two months ago) link

The entire 7 seasons of TNG in two minutes!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:58 (two months ago) link

Stuff like this is getting more common. (Amazon renewed their LOTR series and I still don't think they've even filmed anything yet.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 December 2019 19:49 (two months ago) link

https://youtu.be/ksQg3NG861k

Martialarts Ali (Leee), Sunday, 22 December 2019 17:54 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Two days!

Siouxie Sioux and the Vanjies (Leee), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 01:48 (one month ago) link

Very much looking forward!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:51 (one month ago) link

Stewart will always be Sejanus to me.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:54 (one month ago) link

Wonderful role, one of the last ones I saw of his before TNG started.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 04:49 (one month ago) link

The Children of Mars Short Trek was intriguing

groovypanda, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 08:13 (one month ago) link

Hmm, he said, having seen the first episode. I like it, don't mind the tonal shift in general, but this was definitely a laying-the-grounds episode first and foremost.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 January 2020 02:42 (one month ago) link

Agreed, though I was more let down with the second half of the episode. It felt like it was trying to cram in as many callbacks to TNG as it could to establish its Trek bona fides, so it was mired in the past (even if it's meant to be the leitmotif).

I wonder about Data's poker hand, though.

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:09 (one month ago) link

how well do you have to remember TNG? I haven't seen the later seasons since they aired

rob, Friday, 24 January 2020 18:10 (one month ago) link

I think that the callbacks are explained to make it easy on new/casual viewers, which may be why I thought it was slow.

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:16 (one month ago) link

yeah i didnt find it too heavy going, and i couldnt even tell you the last episode of TNG i watched

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:40 (one month ago) link

I was only a casual TNG viewer but could comfortably follow what was going on xps

groovypanda, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:15 (one month ago) link

If you really want a refresher, judging from what we saw in the premiere, you could watch these (avert yer eyes if you don't want the SPOILERS):

The Measure of a Man
The Offspring
Inheritance

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:34 (one month ago) link

Thanks y’all. Might be fun to watch a few old eps

rob, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:45 (one month ago) link

how's he gonna do it this time drinking DECAF

tomorrow, Saturday, 25 January 2020 15:56 (one month ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

it’s highly disturbing

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 18:30 (one month ago) link

always bothered me

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 18:30 (one month ago) link

that's how i always drink it

j., Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:09 (one month ago) link

you = also a monster

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:22 (one month ago) link

it was our DUTY

j., Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:23 (one month ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

Eek, I’m married to a sociopath. She takes lemon.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 26 January 2020 09:48 (one month ago) link

I always thought it was strange that Picard with his French history and English accent would require to specify that the tea was "hot", like if he didn't say so, the computer would respond "do you mean hot tea... or iced tea" in a thick American drawl

Should I watch this? All I heard was that the first episode greatly resembled a certain early S4 episode

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:47 (one month ago) link

how well do you have to remember TNG?

My understanding is that Picard takes place in the Kelvin timeline of the J.J. Abrams/Alex Kurtzman films and ST:Discovery. Real life licencing legal battles have severed the Kelvin timeline from the E/OG/TNG/DS9/V timeline. So none of the events of 1965-2003 Star Trek occurred in Picard, at least not in the same way.

Picard is perhaps an examination of how different histories change character. Or a vanity project about Patrick Stewart's real life political concerns produced to maintain Viacom's IP.

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:46 (one month ago) link

My understanding is that Picard takes place in the Kelvin timeline of the J.J. Abrams/Alex Kurtzman films and ST:Discovery.

Wait, aren't these two different timelines entirely?

Kelvin timeline starts with a movie where OG Spock comes in from the 'real' timeline, following the destruction of Romulus. I was under the impression said 'real' timeline is both the timeline of Discovery and Picard, while the Kelvin timeline is just the three nu-Trek movies and any directly associated spinoff media.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:04 (one month ago) link

I always thought it was strange that Picard with his French history and English accent would require to specify that the tea was "hot"

it is a character note, so you remember his commanding aura

j., Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:22 (one month ago) link

Picard is in the Prime timeline: https://www.gamesradar.com/star-trek-picard-timeline-explained-alex-kurtzman/

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:52 (one month ago) link

I always figured since the replicator fabricates a cup of tea that never needed steeping, it’d give you the most instantly drinkable temperature by default. By specifying “hot,” Picard wants the experience of fresh-steeped tea that must be carefully sipped.

babu frik fan account (mh), Sunday, 26 January 2020 18:29 (one month ago) link

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I just got in my head an idea for a Hitchhiker/TNG spin-off. “Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.” “Share and enjoy!” Data reads Vogon poetry to Spot. Fenchurch teaches Worf to fly and they have an aerial affair. Zaphod becomes assimilated. Deep Thought revises its answer to “Kill Wesley”, with tragic results

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 26 January 2020 19:51 (one month ago) link

I reserve the right to judge the timeline by counting lens flares.

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:00 (one month ago) link

mh, yr no-prize is in the mail

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:05 (one month ago) link

I reserve the right to judge the timeline by counting lens flares.

fair

mookieproof, Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:54 (one month ago) link

This was pretty ok!

I like the vibe so far - kind of Raymond Chandler in space, with Picard as the dishevelled ‘tec, stumbling from encounter to encounter, endangering his friends and getting lightly beaten up in the process.

I like Pill. The twin and the weirdly accented handsome on the cube ship were... less good.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 27 January 2020 01:14 (one month ago) link

This was okay, I liked that it had the more relaxed tempo of the '80s/'90s series instead of the more modern/actiony vibe of Discovery. I still think it was silly that they had to bring back Brent Spiner for fanservice though, as even the digital manipulation and choice of angles couldn't hide the fact he'd become chubbier and his face had changed with age. I guess his two scenes being dreams made it a bit easier to digest, but still... IIRC it was Spiner himself who wanted Data to die in the TNG movies, as it was obvious he couldn't be playing an ageless android for decades. Well, this episode proves he was right, and his presence here was really superfluous, they could've done the same plot with using only footage from TNG or something.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 07:56 (one month ago) link

Also, the references to "The Offpsring" here made me at first excited and then disappointed. Because after seeing that episode, I always wondered why Data wouldn't try to create another daughter after Lal... Obviously losing her was traumatic to him, but in real life people still have kids after losing one, and you'd think traumatic loss wouldn't affect Data to the same extent as with humans? So when they first implied Dahj was his daughter, I was like, cool, he did build another child after all! But then it was revealed Dahj/Soji were only made after Data's death, so the question of why he never wanted another offspring remains. I get it that they didn't want to tie this series too much into old episodes of TNG, but on the other hand, the Picard wouldn't even exist if people weren't nostalgic for that series. So I do hope the following episodes will have some deeper connections to the lore than just fanservicey appearances of TNG actors.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 08:06 (one month ago) link

deeper connections to the lore

i see what u did

mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:12 (one month ago) link

Haha, that was actually unintentional!

They did seem to refer to Data/Lore with Allison Pill's weird comment about how androids are always made in pairs... Which I don't recall ever being a thing in TNG, IIRC the Soongs built Data to improve on Lore, not because there was some weird rule that you have to build two?

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:45 (one month ago) link

pill seemed to be implying that there was a biological reason for having to grow/build two at once, the ones in question being indistinguishable from human beings down to some level or something

j., Monday, 27 January 2020 10:01 (one month ago) link

Sliding around on a Borg cube in your socks? No. That's not a thing.

When that bit happened my bf got a disgusted look on his face and muted the loud, overweening Titanic-romance music that started playing. BLEUGH what was the point of that scene. We get it, he's playing her.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 05:48 (one week ago) link

But I'm enjoying this otherwise. I liked Seven's entrance, especially her falling down dizzily after she said it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 05:49 (one week ago) link

that scene was important to establish that there are still socks in the 24th century and it will pay off later in the show, possibly to universe-saving effect

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 February 2020 06:37 (one week ago) link

Socks: check.
Zippers: GTFO.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Monday, 17 February 2020 18:25 (one week ago) link

Narek is the worst

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 17 February 2020 19:00 (one week ago) link

i thought that too but then there was that scene with his horny sister and now she is the worst

adam, Monday, 17 February 2020 20:53 (one week ago) link

I want to give Narek a fucking shower, he looks blegh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 22:21 (one week ago) link

*sets fire to own brain*

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 22:27 (one week ago) link

I share this important report.

#Picard is a tv show this is my report about it

it has many themes, such as the following pic.twitter.com/VnOVL5TqGU

— Anthony Oliveira (@meakoopa) February 18, 2020

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 03:16 (one week ago) link

Yeah, as much as the Han Solo McTerrible-Accents guy annoys me, he is super hot.

trishyb, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 12:19 (one week ago) link

picard's undercover werner herzog impression is, like this show as a whole, bad

adam, Friday, 21 February 2020 02:22 (one week ago) link

I thought he was sounding like a bad French stereotype, not a German one? Need to relisten

mh, Friday, 21 February 2020 02:44 (one week ago) link

he was going for french and landed on herzog-in-jack-reacher imo

adam, Friday, 21 February 2020 10:48 (one week ago) link

lol tranya

mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 14:07 (one week ago) link

honh honh honh I have ze borg!

mh, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:41 (one week ago) link

that was a really bizarre episode. parts of it were laughably bad - the lizard guy with the keen sense of smell seemed like he wandered in from The Orville

and no idea what they were thinking with Picard's accent unless it was some sort of Holy Grail/Pink Panther tribute

groovypanda, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:35 (one week ago) link

that lady had a pretty bad security system

mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:40 (one week ago) link

anyway this episode was Good because it was narek-and-twinless and with luck we've fulfilled our raffi backstory requirement

mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:45 (one week ago) link

do we see the painting again

mark s, Friday, 21 February 2020 23:56 (one week ago) link

the painting . . . lives

mookieproof, Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:14 (one week ago) link

Prior art:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ewVNIvKBh0

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:22 (one week ago) link

the painting was pretty good if you stack it up against Data’s other artistic pursuits imo

mh, Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:39 (one week ago) link

that lady had a pretty bad security system

you mean vajayzle?

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 22 February 2020 06:42 (one week ago) link

"once zey get ze borg inside zem zey are never going back"

:0

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:33 (one week ago) link

omg this is the slowest-paced nonsense i've ever watched and i've seen wavelength

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:41 (one week ago) link

So... this is baf?

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:43 (one week ago) link

Bad!

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:43 (one week ago) link

gotta feel bad for brian brophy, who has now costarred as dr bruce maddox in both one of the greatest hours of television ever broadcast and whatever this pantomime nonsense was

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:46 (one week ago) link

it is both bad not good and good not bad imo

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:47 (one week ago) link

baf not goof

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:48 (one week ago) link

baffe growing vpon the measure of a man

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:51 (one week ago) link

counterpoint: it’s nonsense and weird and a missed opportunity, but I’ve enjoyed every episode

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:08 (one week ago) link

im still watching it but it's SO SLOW

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:14 (one week ago) link

wow bizarro

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:33 (one week ago) link

hes a genius but dont tell him i said

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:34 (one week ago) link

i think it’s pretty good but what do i know

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:57 (one week ago) link

last ep was pure fetch quest, didn't advance the story (except for the last two minutes), dispensed with characters and locations we'd been led to expect more from, indulged in shallow world building, and was basically lacking in action, excitement, intrigue, moral dilemmas, blah blah. sorry but that's just how i feel. will keep watching.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:04 (one week ago) link

tfw acclaim for yr genius finally arrives but it hinges on arcane knowledge of not just star trek but also one thread on one specific web forum’s one hidden board :/

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:05 (one week ago) link

i’m enjoying the show a fair bit despite its flaws and weird pacing but i think if you’re not already invested in picard as a character it’s probably not got a huge amount to offer

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:08 (one week ago) link

you mean vajayzle?

Aaraghh I was going to make this joke!

I thought this was a terribly written and executed episode, I think they wanted to go for a TOS-style goofiness with the stuff on Freecloud but at the same time bookend it with NOT YER GRANNY'S TREK cynicism and grossout dismemberment while also peppering with bad backstory and throwaway lines from useless appendages (sorry Elrond).

BTW they recast Maddox, who is now played by Jordan Peterson.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:15 (one week ago) link

Oh the exposition in the beginning (Raffi and Rios talking about ex-Borgs) was shamefully clumsy. "Oh how ever did I forget that Picard used to be a Borg, oh ho ho!"

I'm not sure how I feel about the Mr. Mot and Quark "cameos."

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:18 (one week ago) link

"once zey get ze borg inside zem zey are never going back"

:0

― mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:33 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

feel we're not paying enough attention to this very remarkable line :( :( :(

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:29 (one week ago) link

BTW they recast Maddox, who is now played by Jordan Peterson.


brian brophy: OFF THE HOOK

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:55 (one week ago) link

"once zey get ze borg inside zem zey are never going back"

:0

I would love to hear Eric Cantona read this line.

trishyb, Monday, 24 February 2020 10:06 (five days ago) link

Yeah I was enjoying this but that last episode was arse.
The guy Vajayzle (lol) butchered - that was the kid from last season Voyager, right? The other rescued borg kid?
- why didnt they use the same actor for him?
- ditto Bruce Maddox?
- why is this storyline so disjointed? I am struggling to follow it, there are competing motivations flying all over the place and somehow it makes it feel too rapid-paced and yet getting nowhere all at once.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:37 (four days ago) link

BTW I have no problem with the violence/gore in the show and all the purists wailing "this is a UTOPIA not a DYSTOPIA" I shrug at, but... yeah this feels rushed and clumsy all over somehow.

Maybe Stewart spent too long on shows like Blunt Talk and thinks he's funnier now ;)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:39 (four days ago) link

Oh and some things I noticed:
- the comment "whats her name, something like... 99, or 11?" - assming that was a bit of a clumsy lol ref to 99 from get smart, and 11 from stranger things?
- them having to kick and punch away all the holo spam in the ship. I feel like they ripped that wholesale off a scene in Futurama when they all go into the "Internet".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:56 (four days ago) link

I feel like they ripped that wholesale off a scene in Futurama

lol

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 03:12 (four days ago) link

Oh chut up :P

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 04:57 (four days ago) link


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