Star Trek: Picard

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Yeah, I think we need a full thread now.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:14 (one year ago) link

yeah, watched this trailer five minutes ago and I haven't stopped crying yet.

methanietanner, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:50 (one year ago) link

Has it gone? I get "video unavailable".

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:03 (one year ago) link

Nope, it's up -- try reloading. (Also maybe you have to look elsewhere if you're not in the US -- it's showing on Amazon Prime in the UK IIRC.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:13 (one year ago) link

Okay, that ending got to me more than all the nu-SW sequel reunions. Did not expect that.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:22 (one year ago) link

How am I going to stay dark until the premiere? These three months are going to be painful!

Doctor Hu (Leee), Saturday, 5 October 2019 23:01 (one year ago) link

Why is (redacted) in Kirk's Nexus house?

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 6 October 2019 01:42 (one year ago) link

It's not like Kirk is using it.

Doctor Hu (Leee), Sunday, 6 October 2019 03:15 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Apparently the last scheduled Short Trek is going to be a Picard prequel!

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Friday, 6 December 2019 23:59 (one year ago) link

The entire 7 seasons of TNG in two minutes!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:58 (one year ago) link

Stuff like this is getting more common. (Amazon renewed their LOTR series and I still don't think they've even filmed anything yet.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 December 2019 19:49 (one year ago) link

Martialarts Ali (Leee), Sunday, 22 December 2019 17:54 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Two days!

Siouxie Sioux and the Vanjies (Leee), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 01:48 (one year ago) link

Very much looking forward!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:51 (one year ago) link

Stewart will always be Sejanus to me.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:54 (one year ago) link

Wonderful role, one of the last ones I saw of his before TNG started.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 04:49 (one year ago) link

The Children of Mars Short Trek was intriguing

groovypanda, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 08:13 (one year ago) link

Hmm, he said, having seen the first episode. I like it, don't mind the tonal shift in general, but this was definitely a laying-the-grounds episode first and foremost.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 January 2020 02:42 (one year ago) link

Agreed, though I was more let down with the second half of the episode. It felt like it was trying to cram in as many callbacks to TNG as it could to establish its Trek bona fides, so it was mired in the past (even if it's meant to be the leitmotif).

I wonder about Data's poker hand, though.

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:09 (one year ago) link

how well do you have to remember TNG? I haven't seen the later seasons since they aired

rob, Friday, 24 January 2020 18:10 (one year ago) link

I think that the callbacks are explained to make it easy on new/casual viewers, which may be why I thought it was slow.

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:16 (one year ago) link

yeah i didnt find it too heavy going, and i couldnt even tell you the last episode of TNG i watched

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:40 (one year ago) link

I was only a casual TNG viewer but could comfortably follow what was going on xps

groovypanda, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:15 (one year ago) link

If you really want a refresher, judging from what we saw in the premiere, you could watch these (avert yer eyes if you don't want the SPOILERS):

The Measure of a Man
The Offspring

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:34 (one year ago) link

Thanks y’all. Might be fun to watch a few old eps

rob, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:45 (one year ago) link

how's he gonna do it this time drinking DECAF

tomorrow, Saturday, 25 January 2020 15:56 (one year ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

it’s highly disturbing

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 18:30 (one year ago) link

always bothered me

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 18:30 (one year ago) link

that's how i always drink it

j., Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:09 (one year ago) link

you = also a monster

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:22 (one year ago) link

it was our DUTY

j., Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:23 (one year ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

Eek, I’m married to a sociopath. She takes lemon.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 26 January 2020 09:48 (one year ago) link

I always thought it was strange that Picard with his French history and English accent would require to specify that the tea was "hot", like if he didn't say so, the computer would respond "do you mean hot tea... or iced tea" in a thick American drawl

Should I watch this? All I heard was that the first episode greatly resembled a certain early S4 episode

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:47 (one year ago) link

how well do you have to remember TNG?

My understanding is that Picard takes place in the Kelvin timeline of the J.J. Abrams/Alex Kurtzman films and ST:Discovery. Real life licencing legal battles have severed the Kelvin timeline from the E/OG/TNG/DS9/V timeline. So none of the events of 1965-2003 Star Trek occurred in Picard, at least not in the same way.

Picard is perhaps an examination of how different histories change character. Or a vanity project about Patrick Stewart's real life political concerns produced to maintain Viacom's IP.

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:46 (one year ago) link

My understanding is that Picard takes place in the Kelvin timeline of the J.J. Abrams/Alex Kurtzman films and ST:Discovery.

Wait, aren't these two different timelines entirely?

Kelvin timeline starts with a movie where OG Spock comes in from the 'real' timeline, following the destruction of Romulus. I was under the impression said 'real' timeline is both the timeline of Discovery and Picard, while the Kelvin timeline is just the three nu-Trek movies and any directly associated spinoff media.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:04 (one year ago) link

I always thought it was strange that Picard with his French history and English accent would require to specify that the tea was "hot"

it is a character note, so you remember his commanding aura

j., Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

Picard is in the Prime timeline:

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:52 (one year ago) link

I always figured since the replicator fabricates a cup of tea that never needed steeping, it’d give you the most instantly drinkable temperature by default. By specifying “hot,” Picard wants the experience of fresh-steeped tea that must be carefully sipped.

babu frik fan account (mh), Sunday, 26 January 2020 18:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I just got in my head an idea for a Hitchhiker/TNG spin-off. “Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.” “Share and enjoy!” Data reads Vogon poetry to Spot. Fenchurch teaches Worf to fly and they have an aerial affair. Zaphod becomes assimilated. Deep Thought revises its answer to “Kill Wesley”, with tragic results

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 26 January 2020 19:51 (one year ago) link

I reserve the right to judge the timeline by counting lens flares.

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:00 (one year ago) link

mh, yr no-prize is in the mail

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:05 (one year ago) link

I reserve the right to judge the timeline by counting lens flares.


mookieproof, Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:54 (one year ago) link

This was pretty ok!

I like the vibe so far - kind of Raymond Chandler in space, with Picard as the dishevelled ‘tec, stumbling from encounter to encounter, endangering his friends and getting lightly beaten up in the process.

I like Pill. The twin and the weirdly accented handsome on the cube ship were... less good.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 27 January 2020 01:14 (one year ago) link

This was okay, I liked that it had the more relaxed tempo of the '80s/'90s series instead of the more modern/actiony vibe of Discovery. I still think it was silly that they had to bring back Brent Spiner for fanservice though, as even the digital manipulation and choice of angles couldn't hide the fact he'd become chubbier and his face had changed with age. I guess his two scenes being dreams made it a bit easier to digest, but still... IIRC it was Spiner himself who wanted Data to die in the TNG movies, as it was obvious he couldn't be playing an ageless android for decades. Well, this episode proves he was right, and his presence here was really superfluous, they could've done the same plot with using only footage from TNG or something.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 07:56 (one year ago) link

Also, the references to "The Offpsring" here made me at first excited and then disappointed. Because after seeing that episode, I always wondered why Data wouldn't try to create another daughter after Lal... Obviously losing her was traumatic to him, but in real life people still have kids after losing one, and you'd think traumatic loss wouldn't affect Data to the same extent as with humans? So when they first implied Dahj was his daughter, I was like, cool, he did build another child after all! But then it was revealed Dahj/Soji were only made after Data's death, so the question of why he never wanted another offspring remains. I get it that they didn't want to tie this series too much into old episodes of TNG, but on the other hand, the Picard wouldn't even exist if people weren't nostalgic for that series. So I do hope the following episodes will have some deeper connections to the lore than just fanservicey appearances of TNG actors.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 08:06 (one year ago) link

deeper connections to the lore

i see what u did

mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:12 (one year ago) link

Haha, that was actually unintentional!

They did seem to refer to Data/Lore with Allison Pill's weird comment about how androids are always made in pairs... Which I don't recall ever being a thing in TNG, IIRC the Soongs built Data to improve on Lore, not because there was some weird rule that you have to build two?

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:45 (one year ago) link

pill seemed to be implying that there was a biological reason for having to grow/build two at once, the ones in question being indistinguishable from human beings down to some level or something

j., Monday, 27 January 2020 10:01 (one year ago) link


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:10 (one year ago) link

Someone shows up? What? Who? 'They evolve past a certain point and then consider humanity redundant' makes more sense.

So it was 'someone shows up' after all. I like my idea better. I doubt TNG actually featured more of that kind of existential threat than plain vanilla big baddies, but it feels like it might have done.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:12 (one year ago) link

jlp: "it feels like i'm looking at data!"
the viewer: "it feels more like i'm typing data into a spreadsheet"

i am happy to accept this is mean but the dialogue very much delivered the open goal

mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:25 (one year ago) link

I doubt TNG actually featured more of that kind of existential threat than plain vanilla big baddies, but it feels like it might have done.

The longest plot arc in TNG, which began in the very first episode and ended in the very last, was that humanity has evolved so far that the Q continuum has come to judge it and see if it's fit to go on.

Tuomas, Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:14 (one year ago) link

Yes but you'd hardly know it as it's mostly played for laughs.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 21 March 2020 21:01 (one year ago) link

This was the first odd-numbered episode that I liked! I rolled me eyes at yet another secret Soong but Sutra (or was it Soji?) saying fascinating was just a delight.

Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:21 (one year ago) link

This felt more like a TNG episode than any of the previous ones.

A first season one at that. I was wondering what was going to happen if one of them stepped on a plant. (That said, still enjoying the general flow of the whole season.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:43 (one year ago) link

that gold-skinned version of our android kid seemed like a threat from the get-go

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Sunday, 22 March 2020 02:13 (one year ago) link


mookieproof, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:51 (one year ago) link

a billion times better than part one

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:53 (one year ago) link

It was okay, and I loved that they found a nonviolent solution to the conflict in the spirit of TNG... But it still felt like every plot beat you expected to happen did: of course Starfleet will ride in as the cavalry, of course Picard's illness is gonna kick in right at the moment of climax, and of course they're gonna download him inside the android body they conveniently introduced last episode. The one thing I didn't expect was Data still being "alive", but OTOH the scene with him felt like total fanservice, just repeating the same points they already made when he died in Nemesis.

The fight between Seven of Nine and the Zhat Vash was completely extraneous and pointless, like did they really have to go for action movie of "good guys' tough girl fights the bad guys' tough girl in the end"? They could've just had SoN shoot her and still get the same ending for her.

Tuomas, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:15 (one year ago) link

Also, why the heck did all the Starfleet ships leave as soon as the Romulans left? Shouldn't one or two of them stayed behind just to oversee the situation, and to make sure some less diplomatically inclined Romulans wouldn't still try a sneak attack on the androids?

Tuomas, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:18 (one year ago) link

Uggghhh, this was so bad. I lose points for following it through to the end.

Miami weisse (WmC), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:30 (one year ago) link

Felt like I was that meme of Picard facepalming while watching most of this episode

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:39 (one year ago) link

yeah it was ok but like Tuomas said a bit too neat, wrapping everything in perfect bows, it got a little rmde

and like with Picard dying they leaned so hard on the “sadness” like THIS IS SAD ARENT YOU SAD OH ITS SO SAD and it left me kinda cold

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 March 2020 16:09 (one year ago) link

Also, the football

groovypanda, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:54 (one year ago) link

Anyway next season will be “Oh yeah what happened to that Narek guy?” and it’ll be ten episodes of him wandering the cube going “Huh.”

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 March 2020 23:22 (one year ago) link

feel like the advanced picard manoeuvre will not stop as many spacerays as he imagines and they have to land somewhere and the planet is right there

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:14 (one year ago) link

omg get on with it

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:38 (one year ago) link

*turns back into yoda as is proper*

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:46 (one year ago) link

I definitely won't be watching the next season of this. I just thought it was rubbish. There were so many cool Borg connections and possibilities that they just left on the table, which just made me wonder why they bothered bringing the Borg into it at all. All very frustrating and dull.

trishyb, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:25 (one year ago) link

Lot of justs, there. Really a lot.

trishyb, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:25 (one year ago) link

Agree with the Borg disappointment. Since the theme of the season was synthetic life, and the Borg themselves are semi-synthetic, I was expecting that to tie in with the main plot, but it never did. The whole thing with Hugh and the XB's and Seven of Nine was pretty much irrelevant in the end. They didn't event get to use the Borg cube for anything, so what was the point of bringing it to the android planet?

Tuomas, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:37 (one year ago) link

when i looked at them all sitting eagerly like picardians! assemble! right at the end my heart just sank and never stopped

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:50 (one year ago) link

from a none-too-elevated starting point

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:50 (one year ago) link

Resurrecting him at the end really cheapens the sacrifice he meant to make, doesn't it?

I don't know why but the writing on nu Trek has been so awful and scattered. Moral lessons undermined or unearned, plot holes galore.

Triceratops Vowell (Leee), Sunday, 29 March 2020 00:52 (one year ago) link

Crashed borg ship looking tempting as beachfront luxury high rise condo; just needs some TLC

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 March 2020 04:22 (one year ago) link

lol at 'let's get drunk with a stranger' and/or 'let's weep in the arms of a stranger'

tbf rios honestly had better chemistry with seven -- perhaps because his badass cigar was elsewhere -- than with our wee murderer, whose eyes are too damn close together. also raffi is the absolute worst and she's gonna drag seven down with her

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 March 2020 07:16 (one year ago) link

This was quite bad.

They should just stop making trek stuff

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 29 March 2020 07:30 (one year ago) link

I disagree, because I like Discovery. Even if it did go off the boil towards the end of the second season.

I just can't get over how they threw the Borg away like that. How was Jean-Luc's tumour nothing to do with his Borg implant, when it so easily could have been a shadow of that? How was the scary entity that crosses dimensions when it learns of a group of high-functioning synthetic beings not the Borg? That is absolutely a thing they would do. How is Jean-Luc Picard totally fine with having his consciousness put into a non-human body without his permission? Surely that would be one of his great nightmares? I would expect it to be in his will! "No pissing about with my consciousness after my body dies." And why wouldn't you make his synthetic body younger? I know there are production reasons for that, but it makes no sense in context.

Mind you, the special effects in this were very impressive. I especially liked the space orchids. I also liked the fact that neither terrible Romulan boyfriend nor Rios appear to have bothered getting super-swole for their tank-top scenes. I mean, I'm sure they hit the gym that week, but it wasn't an all-out gun show.

trishyb, Sunday, 29 March 2020 08:30 (one year ago) link

This was bad. I got very annoyed with it after a few episodes. Just as with Discovery the show tries to be too many things at once without doing any of them particularly well.

Ok bloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 March 2020 11:01 (one year ago) link

How was Jean-Luc's tumour nothing to do with his Borg implant, when it so easily could have been a shadow of that?

TBF, Picard's brain disease was already introduced in the potential future seen in the last episode of TNG, and no Borg connection was mentioned there... But you're right, they still could've easily retconned it so that there is such a connection.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2020 06:46 (one year ago) link

i liked that the borg were sidelined in this, that the ideological differences between them and the extra-dimensional ancient synths that were stuck in the romulan brains literally disabled the cube like a virus.
what i didn't like was that the big bad guys ended up being third rate flying spaghetti monsters.

they could have also let picard spend some of next season goofing off in the black lodge having tea with other killed-off characters before resurrecting him.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:39 (one year ago) link

Never seen this TNG ep and hate that I haven't:

The TNG episode where Data goes off

— klon peags (@tembeep) April 11, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 April 2020 09:56 (one year ago) link

data's examples are mexico's war of independence, ireland, and one made-up rebellion. i think the writers put too much credence into duck you sucker.

wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 11 April 2020 13:26 (one year ago) link

i am almost done with a complete star trek watch/rewatch and i went back to picard just after i finished tng—i had stopped a couple episodes in because it seemed kinda unnngh

but it turned out alright after that! on a par with discovery.

i liked how the narrative ended up reviving the idyllic-colonists/natives storyline repeated ad nauseam in tos and tng but centered it on the synthetics. it was kind of lol though that after all that the romulans just gave up. it was like their core belief! tested with its worst possible scenario!

presumably the possibility of going on means that they have a lot of borg stuff in their pocket to use in a second season.

j., Wednesday, 22 April 2020 04:45 (one year ago) link

eight months pass...

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2020 season is nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:

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the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:39 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

And look who's back

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:24 (three months ago) link

sure is a lot of lens flare goin in that office

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:28 (three months ago) link

“I don’t really need a second season of this show”
*watches teaser*
“Eh, what the hell, I’ll watch this”

mh, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:44 (three months ago) link


Ovid-19 (Leee), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:25 (three months ago) link

pretty into a new Q story tbh

tomorrow, Monday, 5 April 2021 22:39 (three months ago) link

Oh fuck your "cant watch this in your country" you tube!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 06:40 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

You know Q has aged surprisingly well!

Also, interesting that season 1's crew is back again -- and the return of his Romulan helpmates! -- especially because I didn't think that Jeri Ryan's commitment would extend beyond that handful of epsidoes.

Trying to keep my expectations in check, though, lest we get a repeat of what happened last year.

BABA BUOY (Leee), Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:05 (one month ago) link

It’s a charismatic cast that works well together, I’m up for it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:41 (one month ago) link

Dug the Romulans and 7, not that excited to see the rest of them.

I still haven't seen last year's series finale - I guess we just forgot about it?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:55 (one month ago) link

I watched the Discovery pilot then bounced. I think I mainly enjoy old mainly-episodic comfort food Trek, the new more serialized high-stakes-all-the-time variety doesn't work for me, never checked this one out cause it seemed to be a similar style

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:21 (one month ago) link

If you don't like Discovery, this is more of the same except worse. I don't mind Discovery though - but still haven't seen S3.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:36 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

I didn't realize that Chabon (still on the writing staff) isn't show-running for season 2 -- instead, it's the 12 Monkeys guy.

Gemini Cricket (Leee), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 23:40 (one week ago) link

He was also involved with Voyager and Enterprise I think

groovypanda, Friday, 23 July 2021 07:17 (one week ago) link

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