ILX’s Top 77 Television and Streaming Video Series of 2020

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Thought at first that Queen's Gambit was just kinda boilerplate time-killing prestige tv with v good performances but not a lot of heft. It gradually won me over, though, partly on the level that forks delineates. It may be fantasy to an extent but it's engaging to watch high-level competitors ultimately demonstrating kindness and respect towards those they've been trying to savagely destroy.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link

Speaking of which, this recent NYT piece calls it ”the new nice television”: anti-cynical, reasonably low-stakes dramedy that presents good people being rewarded for their good efforts. That’s a little reductive when applied to Ted Lasso imo. It’s a program that absolutely looks insipid on first glance but, once you’ve knocked out the first episode, you’ll likely see its undercurrent of sadness and loss. For all the cookie-baking and “ding-dong-darn” homilies, Lasso is at heart about the bravery and strength required to meet real hardship and overcome it without irony or disassociation. That requires broad shoulders and a gentle touch, both of which Sudeikis has in spades.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link

I just watched Ted Lasso and holy shit, what a show

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link

It's basically "what if Parks and Recreation was a prestige drama"

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link

Was going to say, contrary to the line of thought that suggested the Trump years would lead to a resurgence in gritty, no holds barred horror, the exact opposite thing seems to have happened, at least on TV.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link

Ted Lasso seems to have picked up the baton directly from Schitt's Creek only you didn't have to wade through like 3 seasons before it actually got really good.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link

ted lasso was.....fine

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

Surely when historians look back on this year, it will be remembered as the one in which Rick and Morty fever hit the dubious peak of "Rick and Morty but it's Star Trek."

This is entirely unfair to Lower Decks! I've said this before, but it's easily the Trekkiest of the new batch of Trek series.

I'm three episodes into Mandolorian, when does it get good?

Mike Mignola Electric Co. (Leee), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

As a Brit I was sceptical of Ted Lasso. I was convinced they'd mess up the nuances about British football culture, but they nailed it and gosh darn it, had one of the most interesting and nuanced characters in comedy in ages.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link

I think my thing re: 'nice' entertainment is that there was such a long stretch when the majority of our entertainment options were brainlessly 'nice', which was then followed by the slow encroachment of more cynical fare which served as a refreshing antidote, but we're now at a point where lots of things in the real world have just been shitty for a long time and so much of the entertainment landscape is similarly feel-bad (and, I think inarguably, has itself been instrumental in making aspects of the real world shittier). So, despite my perpetual gen-x-ian tendency to sneer at false sentiment and bland niceness, I'm increasingly drawn to depictions of like basic kindness and decency as an antidote to the oversaturation of casual cruelty and grim n' grit even in light entertainment.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link

Also, we're all getting older.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

Also that.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link

Like (just to meander down this path a bit more) my gf watches all of the bleak crime dramas that come down the pike and some of the shit I see in those things...my god. I'm a huge horror fan and I'll occasionally be walking through the room and will feel compelled to mention that some scene or another was as needlessly, ott graphic as anything I've seen in a horror flick. And this is just run-of-the-mill mainstream entertainment these days. So yes, the shows that are making an effort to move in the completely opposite direction are very welcome imo.

Which is to say: will check out this Ted Lasso chap!

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

My favourite thing about The Queen's Gambit was the strong implication at the series' end that she was about to defect to the Soviets.

chap, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link

James Poniewozik said something similar about Ted Lasso:

All it took to get me to appreciate “Ted Lasso” was an assault on American democracy.

Plenty of fans and fellow critics had recommended the comedy, based on an NBC Sports promo sketch, about a good-hearted, optimistic Kansas football coach (Jason Sudeikis) who moves to London to manage a soccer team. When its first season arrived on Apple TV+ last summer, I found its early episodes chuckle-worthy, but nothing compelling. It was … sweet, I guess? Nice? Eh. I moved on.

Cut to January. A mob attacked the U.S. Capitol, the MyPillow guy was walking into the White House with notes about martial law, and the once-rote transfer of power became a white-knuckle ride. On Jan. 20, I spent a day writing about the uneasy TV coverage of the inauguration, then a night reviewing the prime-time inauguration special, its notes of hope cut with minor-key reminders of strife and pandemic.

Too wound up to sleep, I needed an antidote for all those days of cable-news doom-watching. I decided to give “Ted Lasso” another shot.

It was … sweet. It was nice. And God, did I need that.

jaymc, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link

the trailer for ted lasso is so bad that i'm never gonna watch the show. unless i missed that the journalist at the presser was meant to be american( i thought he had an english accent) he would never say 'tie'.

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link

lol i said all i had to say about Ted Lasso above

i mean maybe nicecore isn't just what i look for in TV considering the shows i've watched the most during the pandemic are Seinfeld and Gossip Girl, which are the opposite end of these yay human decency shows

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link

Both have their place, but I can definitely see how the real world has veered so perilously far into boo human cruelty territory that I begrudge no one for overpraising stuff like this.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

I don't require TV to be Jean Renoir.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

I found Ted Lasso legit inspiring in how it dealt with people's reactions to terrible shit in their lives/relationships

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

The journalist at the presser is the excellent James Lance who turns out to be the football equivalent of Ratatouille's Anton Ego.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link

I saw better television this year but nothing ever got me as viscerally excited as a new episode of The Last Dance. Yes, MJ’s involvement somewhat skews the series’ ability to dig too deeply and sure, if you don’t care about basketball (or even just this era of basketball), there may not be much for you here. But I am a basketball fan who grew up in the eighties and nineties in the south before the Grizzlies moved to Memphis so I watched basketball on WGN, the only cable channel we got that regularly carried games. Even now the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I hear Alan Parsons Project's “Sirius” and Ray Clay’s frenzied growl of “ANNNNNNND NOW! FROM NORTH... CARRRRRROLINA...” so, in many ways, this show was the acme of my 2020.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link

#GiveBritneyTenHours

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link

last dance was good tv and a better sports/media moment. nothing revelatory, and i'll likely never watch it again, but it was an easy vote.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link

while we (or at least I still am) are talking about "nice" TV shows, what i keep coming back to is that How To with John Wilson, a show that i think belongs to the aforementioned category, and how i loved it so much, i keep on trying to articulate why i loved it so much despite my growing annoyance at these type of TV shows and i'm honestly at a loss - is it because it's non-fiction? idk

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link

the best moments for me were probably the highlight sequences that paired jordan highlights with era-appropriate hip-hop. it's a standard thing to do now, but hip-hop and the nba were far less intertwined during jordan's era. jordan himself was dismissive of hip-hop, and preferred adult-contempo r&b (one of my favorite, one of the most-memed, moments of the series comes when he's bopping along to the new kenny lattimore album)

the nyt had a good piece about jordan and the nba's evolving relationship with hip-hop: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/arts/music/michael-jordan-last-dance-soundtrack.html

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link

looks like we have a deserving top 4, all of which i voted for in my top 5 lol

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link

I only have one bat left in this fight but it'd best make the top 3

imago, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link

bat-er call saul

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link

i bat destroy you

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link

I've only got one left, and it's the obvious one. No idea what the others will be.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

last dance was good tv and a better sports/media moment. nothing revelatory, and i'll likely never watch it again, but it was an easy vote.

― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:33 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

one of the few sports things i was able to get my wife to get into with me. and my bro who hates sports.

a nice controlled drift (Spottie), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link

yeah i know a lot of non-sports fans who loved it. jordan & the bulls were the kind of all-consuming cultural force that's rare in any realm, let alone sports.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:46 (three years ago) link

I actually forgot that I, at the last minute, swapped my #1 vote from Pen15 to what I'm now hoping is the actual #1...

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link

As long as we’re talking basketball, i think you could reasonably argue that Jordan (or Lebron these days) likely deserved to win MVP every year he played. But people get tired of excellence and want to share the wealth. With that in mind, I would suggest that Better Call Saul has been television’s MVP for the past five years, consistently presenting prestige programming’s best ensemble ably and honestly fumbling in the most harrowing situations imaginable.

Two things I know to be true: season five of Breaking Bad was about as good as the show’s ever been and Rhea Seehorn deserves a goddamn Emmy.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

the emmys' ignorance of rhea seehorn is the latest disgrace to add to the pile. i know the emmys are terrible, but even those terrible voters manage to recognize odenkirk and banks every year, and as good as they are, seehorn is much better.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:56 (three years ago) link

Only one of mine left to place 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 i have to work this evening so checking in hoping not to see it every time

scampless, rattled and puce (gyac), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:57 (three years ago) link

don’t think Saul even got a major Emmy nom last year outside of best drama! xp

Clay, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:58 (three years ago) link

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/AbominableBuddha.jpg

Yeah, my son was watching an animated movie that had a pivotal scene set at that statue.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:02 (three years ago) link

don’t think Saul even got a major Emmy nom last year outside of best drama! xp

― Clay, Tuesday, February 16, 2021 1:58 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

damn, you're right, banks and odenkirk didn't get noms. esposito did, though.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link

So I have this weird thing where I've never had any interest whatsoever in sports (watching, playing, talking about, etc.) but I realized at some point that I find sports documentaries deeply compelling (Hoop Dreams is one of my favorite movies, own and have watched a bunch of 30 for 30s, etc.). I think maybe I just need to have it sculpted into a narrative in order for it to click for me. Looking forward to watching The Last Dance at some point, particularly after seeing it place this high (which suggests that it transcends its moment in providing 'well fuck I guess we're gonna be stuck inside our homes for a long time' succor at the beginning of the pandemic).

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:06 (three years ago) link

Top sportspeople are fascinating subjects imo

scampsite (darraghmac), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link

When I first came to New York City in 2000, I couch-crashed in Chelsea and would sometimes wake up early to explore what the place looked like in the AM. One Tuesday at 5 in the morning, I found a guerrilla photo shoot going on at the intersection of 7th avenue and 10th street with a drag performer sprawled lasciviously over a four foot tall mound of auto tires. That’s the kind of New York that John Wilson captures best and that continuously resonated for me in watching How To, the unlikely and unconsidered and barely glimpsed city. If all Wilson did was shine a spotlight there, his show would have already earned its place in last year’s best television, but that’s only the beginning. Each episode was packed with unlikely connections and amazing oddballs, held together by a shockingly structured agenda that he only reveals deliberately slowly. Wilson didn’t create experimental television or the video collage essay format but what he’s doing here seems entirely sui generis and important. It’s a kind of genius, a filmic kismet.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:09 (three years ago) link

Rhea Seehorn has most definitely been robbed over and over. The Kim reveal towards the end of this last season was just masterfully done, stripping away so much of what I thought I knew about the character but in a way that was completely consistent with everything that had come before. The show is just as much about her arc as it is about Jimmy's imo.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link

how have i not heard of this, it looks great, although it also looks like something i will seethe with jealousy that i didn't do myself lol

imago, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link

love How To so much, so glad it got renewed

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link


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