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I thought the first episode was pretty good. I'm going to give it eight out of ten

paolo, Monday, 9 February 2015 19:17 (six years ago) link

I'm curious what the dramatic arc of the show is going to be, considering that Walt fucked up a relatively stable criminal ecosystem. Tuco and Gus and Saul were all pretty established and safe in their power. I like the idea of the show as a sort of perverted Matlock, where Saul defends a series of mostly guilty people, but I'm not sure if that's what we're going to get.

polyphonic, Monday, 9 February 2015 19:32 (six years ago) link

I loved the comedy of it all, the way things were filmed fit that style perfectly. But if it becomes more dramatic, I'm not sure I will care.

Frederik B, Monday, 9 February 2015 19:38 (six years ago) link

cold open cinnabon was the best part

johnny crunch, Monday, 9 February 2015 19:51 (six years ago) link

if this were actually good, what a coup . . .

rip van wanko, Monday, 9 February 2015 20:55 (six years ago) link

it's a little goofy that he's doing exactly what he speculated he might be doing in his new life

I don't see this amounting to a hell of a lot but I'll prob enjoy it for a season or so.

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:31 (six years ago) link

but better call saul's a prequel, right? so that means in the last bit of breaking bad he was referring back to something that he used to do.

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 21:34 (six years ago) link

it's not exclusively a prequel. The first thing we see is chronologically after BB

polyphonic, Monday, 9 February 2015 21:35 (six years ago) link

xp haha no, that would be even sillier! "for my expensive new identity I'm just gonna go back to my old job"

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:38 (six years ago) link

actually no it would make more sense, you're right. But it's a flash forward in BCS

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:41 (six years ago) link

it's a little goofy that he's doing /exactly/ what he speculated he might be doing in his new life

I like the idea of him being 100% committed to a plan he made in haste. It just fits his character so well!

naus, Monday, 9 February 2015 21:42 (six years ago) link

I still haven't had a chance to watch yet. Tonight!

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 21:45 (six years ago) link

Nah, it's silly. He probably couldn't choose, it's just tossed off line he throws off. Too much fan service for my taste. The ending with Tuco annoyed me as well. But inbetween, there was loads of good stuff.

Frederik B, Monday, 9 February 2015 21:46 (six years ago) link

I just took it as a joke/fan service, cause why not? I mean within minutes of starting his first jape he's ended up at __________ (removed for karl)

xp nevermind haha

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:47 (six years ago) link

"it's a little goofy that he's doing exactly what he speculated he might be doing in his new life"

I kinda took it was a business and ID that Saul had created in case anything got to hot, which it did. If I remember right, the scene when Saul tells Walter about Omaha and the Cinnabon is with "the cleaner" held up in that basement waiting to move on to next step.

earlnash, Monday, 9 February 2015 23:29 (six years ago) link

I didn't even recognize tuco until I saw it mentioned somewhere else. there are bound to be things that this that will happen and I don't see why they shouldn't.

akm, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 05:01 (six years ago) link

Anyone notice the little hat tip to the Wire in the courtroom scene? not sure if it was intentional or not.

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 08:22 (six years ago) link

Two associates of Jimmy coincidentally bumping into Tuco's mother (?) is not something that was 'bound' to happen, at least not on their very first day working together. It's an extremely big contrivance, just as it's a contrivance that Saul could have guessed/known/planned exactly what he would be able to do after the cleaner took over.

But so what, right? Well, for me, it takes the mystery out of the characters. The world of Breaking Bad was filled with mystery and danger at the beginning, but they really really killed that over the years. When Krazy-8 was killed, even crazyer Tuco took his place. When Tuco was killed, those weird cousins were sent to avenge him. And this mysterious guy from Chile who sold chicken seemed also involved somehow. But then the entirety of the cartel was nice enough to gather around and be poisoned by a single bottle of tequila, it turned out Gus was mainly motivated by the murder of his friend years ago, and the shadowy involvement of multinational companies in the drugdistribution? Turned out it was a rogue housewife, but nevermind, she had a bad cup of tea as well.

The whole world became so small and neat over the years, that it damaged my interest in it. And now you can't skate on the streets of Albuquerque without running into the Salamanca-family? How small is this city?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 08:53 (six years ago) link

eh, i dunno, i don't see it as a problem thus far. so long as it doesn't turn into a 'league of extraordinary gentlemen'-style thing where all they do is give familiar characters walk-on parts. if this is a prequel, i expect to find out how Jimmy becomes Saul, how he meets Mike and why he decides to become a criminal lawyer. Tuco was one of my favourite characters in BB and it' shame he only lasted a handful of episodes, so bringing him back into the frame is a great idea in my book.

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 09:10 (six years ago) link

tuco's gun is comically large

Clay, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 09:20 (six years ago) link

that's what she... oh never mind

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:05 (six years ago) link

Lydia wasn't a "rogue housewife"

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:42 (six years ago) link

yeah, this was pretty good. i really liked that there wasn't much expository dialogue - the characters' interactions were enough to fill in the blanks.

i wonder if the black and white photography in the omaha sequence was a deliberate homage to / joke about alexander payne's nebraska?

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:44 (six years ago) link

were the flash forwarded sequences in BB b/w?

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:49 (six years ago) link

Did 'Chuck' ever get mentioned in BB? I take it he's Jimmy's brother? Or uncle?

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 10:50 (six years ago) link

So glad this isn't just a knockabout sitcom about a hapless lawyer though. I was always a Saul agnostic when he was in BB as he stood right on the edge between comic foil and slapstick sitcom buffoon. Plus it took me ages to stop thinking of him as Gob in Arrested Development, but as a lawyer instead of a magician. I like how Jimmy cuts a bittersweet, really quite dualised and tragic figure. One minute he's walking around in his suit, acting as though he owns the place; next he's returning home to an absolute hovel after having been talked down to and kicked in the nuts by life... It continues the double-act of WW/Heisenberg in that respect.

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 11:07 (six years ago) link

i might be out on this already, the tone just feels off to me; I bet there will be some inspired stuff but not sure I want to invest ~14 hrs or w/e

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:10 (six years ago) link

There will be loads of bb characters in this. Of course as Saul goodman he'll have good reason to come up against every scumbag in Albuquerque, and cops too

I mean, this is a breaking bad spinoff about Walter White's wacky lawyer; its very existence is fan service, however much prestigey ~darkness~ they inject into it.

I'm down cause I thought odenkirk was brilliant in bb

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:15 (six years ago) link

i loved the cold open so much

gr8080, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:35 (six years ago) link

I enjoyed this a fair bit, just because Saul is a great character and it's good to spend more time with him. Wish the Tuco reveal hadn't come so early, because it's a fairly short line from him to Gus Fring, and really if this show is going to succeed on its own terms it needs to take time to do a Frasier and build its own universe of characters. The scenes with Chuck suggested that's in the plan, even if he felt miscast - I struggled to see him and Saul as actually related.

It's also showing us at least two Walter White-style descents into the underworld, and I love seeing people way way over their heads.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:40 (six years ago) link

Like I think a constant parade of "hey look, it's Badger!" gratuitous fanwank would be the worst approach they could take and I more or less trust Gilligan not to take that road.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:41 (six years ago) link

No they'll be careful not to make it constant I think

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:58 (six years ago) link

yeah i think i trust this team enough now not to make it shit

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:07 (six years ago) link

When you look at Odenkirk's career between his inspired turn as Stevie Grant in The Larry Sanders Show and his BB turn as Saul it is quite depressing, a lost decade and a half of mediocre writing credits and various atrocious comedy-fail shite. I think this being his stand alone big shot and Gilligan's nerviness at following up such a big hit might be something to do with the rocky start this series has made. I hope it gets better cos I always liked Odenkirk, but so far it all feels a bit stilted and predictable.

xelab, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:09 (six years ago) link

nah...

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:16 (six years ago) link

don't think i'd heard of odenkirk before BB though.

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:17 (six years ago) link

i think the broken windshield was a nice level of fan service callback

young pc thug (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:31 (six years ago) link

haha, what's that?

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:33 (six years ago) link

i.e. that walt's windshield was constantly broken and now we've had another two broken windshields already, the breaking bad universe is much like our universe but with way more broken windshields

young pc thug (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:34 (six years ago) link

xposts

Odenkirk did Mr Show between Sanders and Breaking Bad! And he was in Nebraska after BB, which was nominated for a Palme D'Or and a half-dozen Oscars. He will be fine if this tanks.

Brio2, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:40 (six years ago) link

and fargo

oi listen mate, shut up (dog latin), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:44 (six years ago) link

Comedy-fail dross and an appearance in a Payneful, overrated movie might pay the bills but fronting your own series is a different matter and Fargo is also post BB.

xelab, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:47 (six years ago) link

Yeah, Odenkirk hasn't had the best luck making movies of his own but he's otherwise had a pretty solid (if generally low-key) career and a vast comedic community that rightfully respects the shit out of him. Plus he brought Tim & Eric into our hearts and homes. He's gonna do just fine.

Brodozer Coke Buffet (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:48 (six years ago) link

Mr. Show = 'comedy-fail dross'. Okay.

Brodozer Coke Buffet (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:50 (six years ago) link

ok whatever your assessment of his career or talents are - he understands the risks of Better Call Saul, he'll be fine if it doesn't work out, and it's not "his stand alone big shot".

The NYT interview seems totally level-headed:


“I was worried about what it would do to my family and worried about whether I would end up being the guy who” — um, screwed up — “the legacy of ‘Breaking Bad.’ ”

“And then I talked to my daughter, who is 13 and incredibly mature, she said, ‘It’s a big opportunity, we will be fine, and if it’s bad, really, how bad could it be?’ ”

“And I said well, it won’t be bad. It’s written by Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould; the worst thing is it’s a really interesting misfire. If that’s the worst thing it is, I’d be more than happy to be part of that.”

Brio2, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 14:59 (six years ago) link

There's a scene in Ep 1 at a security checkpoint where the guard waves the metal detector near a guy's privates and it goes off...the fact that McKean is in the cast made me think this was a homage to Spinal Tap

calstars, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 15:12 (six years ago) link

i loved the cold open so much

― gr8080, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 13:35 (2 hours ago) Permalink

Me too!

Punny Names (latebloomer), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 16:19 (six years ago) link

AAAAAAAAAAAA

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 17:51 (six years ago) link

That was some nasty comedy, it's rare I genuinely lol while cowering

k3ller of sh1p (wins), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 17:54 (six years ago) link

The second half was quite okay.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 18:38 (six years ago) link

I saw the trailer less as John Wick and more as ... Falling Down or something like that.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 11 December 2020 18:39 (seven months ago) link

first time I saw John Wick was on network TV

my brother asked me what I thought and I said "it was pretty entertaining but I couldn't really follow it, I think they cut out a lot of the plot" and he was like "no they didnt"

frogbs, Friday, 11 December 2020 18:43 (seven months ago) link

Better Dome Saul

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Friday, 11 December 2020 19:38 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2020 season is nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:

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the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:45 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

Long interview with Bob Odenkirk. Season 6 filming now...

https://tv.avclub.com/bob-odenkirk-says-he-d-like-to-be-surprised-by-better-1846491847

that's not my post, Tuesday, 23 March 2021 15:38 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

So as expected, Nobody is a complete blast.

groovypanda, Friday, 16 April 2021 20:23 (three months ago) link

yeah it was fun and diverting enough.

akm, Saturday, 17 April 2021 19:12 (three months ago) link

So these guys vaguely threaten a girl on a bus and knock a book out of a guy's hand and Nobody puts them all in the ICU and proceeds to kill everyone in the local Russian mafia and burn their retirements because his son thought he was a wuss? Sure, I'm in.

DJI, Sunday, 18 April 2021 05:12 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

First and foremost, this is not Jonathan Banks. But I saw this dude today, and ... damn.

https://i.imgur.com/2ToTiPC.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 July 2021 02:58 (four weeks ago) link

wow

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 July 2021 03:55 (four weeks ago) link

!

kinder, Friday, 2 July 2021 22:31 (four weeks ago) link

This is not as good, but a few months ago I posted this photo of Dave Hickey on one of the separated-at-birth threads.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/dave.jpg

clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 23:41 (four weeks ago) link

also good

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 2 July 2021 23:41 (four weeks ago) link

three weeks pass...

what no

Bob Odenkirk Hospitalized After Collapsing on Set of 'Better Call Saul' https://t.co/z6ppAasjS9

— TMZ (@TMZ) July 28, 2021

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 02:58 (three days ago) link

oh no

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 03:04 (three days ago) link

fuck noooo, come on man, be ok.

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 03:24 (three days ago) link

please be dehydration or something … please be ok

we love u Bob

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 03:35 (three days ago) link

The scariest thing about this is, whenever it exactly happened, it's the next day and the stories haven't been updated yet to say what happened or what his condition is. I really wish we get some good news soon.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 12:42 (three days ago) link

From this Variety story:

“I was at the wonderful 87eleven gym, surrounded by the top stunt actors in the world training, including people like Keanu Reeves and Jason Statham and Halle Berry,” Odenkirk said. “I’m a comedy writer, who is gradually sufferingly making my way into this discipline. I was just feeling embarrassed at how bad I was when these pros are 25 feet away.”

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 12:48 (three days ago) link

That quote is old, though.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 12:51 (three days ago) link

Related to his training for Nobody, potentially related as far as how far he has pushed his body in the past two years.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:01 (three days ago) link

I was really hoping it'd be a case of dehydration or something from a long day of filming in the heat, but the lack of follow-up this morning has me concerned. I'm really pulling for him.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 13:43 (three days ago) link

I will share what I know when I can but Bob is one of the strongest people I know both physically and spiritually. He WILL get through this.

— david cross✍ (@davidcrosss) July 28, 2021

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:40 (three days ago) link

Gotta be honest, seeing that this morning was not as reassuring as I'd hoped.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:47 (three days ago) link

Agreed the wording feels like an implication of something more long term and/or that much more critical in the short term. Particularly disconcerting to put it that way when preceding the announcement of the cause vs. the other way around when it would normally be reassuring following it.

Evan, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 16:59 (three days ago) link

Honestly, could be lots of things, simple or not. Maybe when he fell (because of the heat, say) he hit his head on something. I really hope whatever it is can be taken care of quickly.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:16 (three days ago) link

Of course, was just agreeing with jon regarding where David's tweet makes the mind go.

Evan, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:19 (three days ago) link

yea the lack of any update is pretty concerning right now

frogbs, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:45 (three days ago) link

:( very worrying. if it was something innocuous there would be an update or he would be out by now surely.

《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 17:59 (three days ago) link

It must be surreal to be a public person and need to immediately update the world on your health status

(I hope he's ok of course, I know we all love Bah Bodenkirk)

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 18:11 (three days ago) link

i imagine he’d be completely bemused /embarrassed / annoyed

DONT YOU PEOPLE HAVE LIVES?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 18:18 (three days ago) link

hard to think of a hollywood star as universally beloved/talented

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:01 (three days ago) link

I mean, trying not to draw and conclusions and keeping him in my thoughts. I just remember seeing the news last night before I went to bed and thinking, "well, it'll be fine and I'll wake up to news about dehydration or heat exhaustion" or something.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:38 (three days ago) link

TMZ sez he's awake and holding steady

https://www.tmz.com/2021/07/28/bob-odenkirk-heart-related-unconscious-medical-emergency-better-call-saul/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 22:48 (three days ago) link

He's going to be okay.

— Nate Odenkirk (@birthdaynate) July 28, 2021

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 22:50 (three days ago) link

"heart related issue"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 23:48 (three days ago) link

Or rather, "heart related incident"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 23:49 (three days ago) link

OK, officially a heart attack.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bob-odenkirk-better-call-saul-heart-attack-1234989892/

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 23:53 (three days ago) link

Nate, btw, is Bob's son.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 23:54 (three days ago) link

praise be

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 July 2021 01:22 (two days ago) link

now that we know he's going to be ok I would like to take a moment to point out that Bob Odenkirk was one of the hotter guys Elaine dated pic.twitter.com/jUQjZi6wIa

— Emma Berquist (@eeberquist) July 28, 2021

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 July 2021 04:28 (two days ago) link

that got me searching for cowboy lamp.

andrew m., Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:15 (two days ago) link

always loved hearing his voice pop up in all the Tim & Eric stuff

frogbs, Thursday, 29 July 2021 14:22 (two days ago) link

Further update

Just got off the phone with Bob and he's doing great! Joking and japing and joshing. Both he and his family are overwhelmed with the outpouring of love and concern everyone has shown. You will be hearing from him soon. But he's doing really well!!!

— david cross✍ (@davidcrosss) July 30, 2021

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2021 18:06 (yesterday) link

ahhh that is sich good news

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:11 (yesterday) link

thank god for prilovac

The Serbian war criminal?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:05 (yesterday) link

Yes. No further questions

rob, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:43 (yesterday) link

btw

Hi.  It's Bob.
Thank you.
To my family and friends who have surrounded me this week.
And for the outpouring of love from everyone who expressed concern and care for me.  It’s overwhelming. But I feel the love and it means so much.

— Mr. Bob Odenkirk (@mrbobodenkirk) July 30, 2021

rob, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:53 (yesterday) link

and the follow-up, confirming things

I had a small heart attack. But I'm going to be ok thanks to Rosa Estrada and the doctors who knew how to fix the blockage without surgery.
Also, AMC and SONYs support and help throughout this has been next-level. I'm going to take a beat to recover but I'll be back soon.

— Mr. Bob Odenkirk (@mrbobodenkirk) July 30, 2021

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:55 (yesterday) link


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