The Irish

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

And it's quite a late night for me.

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

luke kelly.

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

Dundee United also followed the Hibs model and were originally called Dundee Hibernian.

um, oh, look, just,

look, they aren't the 'irish' team in scotland. come on!

Not any more, no. People generally support Hibs if they're from east Edinburgh

My grandparents came over from Donegal, and couldn't stand all the Irish trappings all the people here embraced. Then again, who really gives a shit.

I wd have said they were more the "Catholic" team than the "Irish" team, but, y'know, I'm not going to argue about it.

FOR A CHANGE

Also the bf is disgruntled by Oirish-Americans who profess love to Guinness and etc etc -- he says real Irish people drink Budweister, because it's good enough and it's cheap. Ahhh the keystone of our young love....

The fuck is wrong with my typing this morning? Love OF Guinness, and Budweiser.

My grandparents came over from Donegal, and couldn't stand all the Irish trappings all the people here embraced. Then again, who really gives a shit.

every post on ilx should have "Then again, who really gives a shit" as its coda.

Also the bf is disgruntled by Oirish-Americans who profess love to Guinness and etc etc -- he says real Irish people drink Budweister, because it's good enough and it's cheap.

that's like the way English people drink lame-o lagers instead of real ale.

It's funny though... in general I am against patriotism and nationalism, but I feel that it is very important that I drink Guinness and not foreign drinks.

I feel that it's very important that I drink Guinness.
I also feel very strongly about not drinking horse-piss.
It's a win-win situation.

I like Guiness and Budweiser. Not because I'm third generation Irish but because they taste good (to me and I like to get fucked up.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/02/ireland

I am reading Roy Foster's LUCK & THE IRISH. Has anyone else read or even thought about it?

Haven't read it but it sounds interesting. Are you far enough into it to decide if it's worth reading or not?

Ned, I can't believe you don't love " St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America." My dog has an Irish name (Declan) so he has to put up with wearing a shamrock kerchief every St Patrick's Day. He loves the beer part of it at least ;-)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/168/418896575_92f41654dc_m.jpg
being tortured by wearing said kerchief at a st patrick's parade

Oh yes, it's definitely worth reading! Foster always is, whatever else you think of him.

At the moment I'm reading about Irish feminists' campaigns for contraceptives etc in the 1970s; to do what they did in that society I think they had to be very imaginative and courageous.

Did we all realise Conor Cruise O;Brien snuffed it, btw?

Yes.

What's the best thing to read by him then?

I've got Herod but it's one of these ludicrous situations where it just looks so imposing that I've bottled out of even opening it

"it went all the way up my gowl"

no sound at work :(

"why do you ride hippos?"

meme potential there.

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music?

This was waaaaaay up there a while ago, but if any ilxor has the chance to glom onto a copy of the somewhat obscure CD by Alasdair Fraser (fiddle) and Natalie Haas (cello) titled Fire and Grace, they will not be disappointed.

It is musically impeccable. Virtuoso playing, emotionally charged and gracefully performed. Plus, you could dance to it. Top drawer. Hot shit. Strongly recommended.

Also, most of the catalog by the group Altan is exceptionally good.

can't get this put of my head lately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa7birRBmNM

love the 'rocky road to dublin'. there's a live recording i have where youre like 'where is he pausing for breath?', hes just belting it out.

http://twitter.com/Garda_Siochana

i'm bumping this purely cos i feel some irish ilxors may enjoy, sorry about such shameless promotion. started it last sat and already have 110 followers.

blocked at work, don't use twitter but will have a look later

# might hit the garda bar a bit later, can't beat hanging out with people who do exactly the same job as me in a bar named after my exact job 2:10 PM Dec 16th from web

lawl

btw I am informed that the Spurs team were spotted in Copper Face Jack's nightclub last week - trust they were well behaved

i heard they were in malahide!

they were in gibneys in malahide yeah, my local!

gibneys was in the tabloids in the uk...a touching moment

just read the whole thing, lolled all the way.

Haha, needed something to fill the void caused by the Phil Brown Twitter's demise

lol the media guy for that anti eu group libertas keeps retweeting it!

wanna go back tbh

where in ireland did you live?

love the 'rocky road to dublin'. there's a live recording i have where youre like 'where is he pausing for breath?', hes just belting it out.

― Michael B,

otm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtEKUWRpUWg&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBGSc1iLcIw

racist

written by Michael O'Donoghue

fairly archaic stuff really, a bomb in a pub, in "ireland"

not going to watch that clip obv but i dont like the phrase 'the irish', it always seems to precede blarney sentiment or borderline racist 'bantuh'

similarly nothing interesting is ever going to be said about germany or its people by someone starting 'the germans...'

Raymond:
Do you know, when you first came in here I knew you were a
services man. You can never, never disguise it.
Withnail:
What were you in?
Raymond:
Tanks. Afrika Korps. A little before your time. Don't suppose
you've engaged.
Withnail:
Ireland.
Raymond:
Ooooh, a crack at the Mick.

bemoaning the inability of the irish to rule themselves is the new irish imo- i'm pro guilty of it myself- but it's probably no more true of us than it is of anyone else, they just hadn't dev to get over

eh not sure it's new, my dad was growing up hearing that. relative to a lot of places, we haven't been ruling ourselves that long.

i dunno what "ruling yourselves" is in that context tho? by the same standards most of the population of the UK haven't been "ruling themselves" for very long, if we cd even claim that distinction now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExEjzWvICd4&feature=player_embedded

didn't like mumford and sons before, but this is fucking disgusting.

What the fuck?

yeah i know, why would you promote your own tour in a given country with a video that is basically outright racist mockery of that country?

Possibly a different manifestation of the problem behind the racist Florence & The Machine video. Upper-class British pop stars who have never had to address issues of race / nationality to any great extent at school or with friends and come across as completely blind to them now. idk.

middle class Home Counties cunt unaware that mocking non mcHCcunts is a bad move surprise surprise

it's cool i'm sure they sincerely love the Pogues and Guinness

i might have sent this to the daily mail

oops

wtf

I don't know what you're all talking about, I thought it was HILARIOUS. I especially loved the mocking of our language and the fact it was blatantly inspired by 19th century Punch cartoons.

They've always been a shower of bedwetting Tory pricks.

xp I can only hope they use the headline Scumford & Sons.

Weird how the default laugh-at-the-Irish accent has shifted from "begorrah bejaysus" countryfolk to Bertie Ahern.

Daily Mail currently has a photo of numerous dead children on its front page, only the Mumfords could be worse.

xp bit more Geldof, no? But it was clearly aimed to be countryfolk I think.

not seen this, doubt i'll be offended tho, becos y'know we made fr ted ourselves

father ted was funny. and we LOVE mocking ourselves but that's partly because others are so bad at it, see above.

it makes Father Ted look like Synge tbh

Big difference between Ted which was made with affection by Irish people vs home counties upper class twits acting out a Punch cartoon.

c'mon, Father Ted was clearly better than Synge

rather be satirised by synge than idealised mawkishly by o'casey, but that's another debate tbf

will check it out tonight, it better be good now

Synge is great i'm just saying he was a bit more subtle in his satire than FT

When we mock ourselves it's like mocking your family - you are best placed to do it cos you know the subject, but outsiders generally shouldn't if they're just going to resort to stereotypes. Seriously, jokes about us haven't moved on since the 19th century, same old shit.

srsly doubt the intention was "mockery", he probably thinks it's an affectionate acknowledgment of how much he loves yr culture

being mocked with good natured if clumsy/misapplied affection is worse than being nailed expertly by yr own cynics, but i mean personally the line can be blurry. Again, personally, where it's coming from needn't be such a major factor all the time- general chatter here btw

i think you need to see this darragh really, it's ludicrously out of touch.

withholding judgement until i found out whether they open their set with "Lillibullero"

i mean if the clip is half as ugly, stupid, grotesque and embarrassing for one minute as pat shortt's entire, million-making career has been then i'll frankly be impressed

it is uglier because they're english... not sure how you don't see this.

xp yeah fair enough ronan i'll obv need to watch it i'm just blowing shite around it- the usual tbh!

i know the 'it's because they're english' line and recognise the general gist, i don't think it's either absolute and above question

Pat Shortt is a culchie mocking culchies & culchieisms for culchies, and is not to the taste of everyone. Not sure how it's even comparable.

x-post there's a difference between a person from a race poking fun at known stereotypes amongst his compatriots and a person who isn't a member of the race mocking nothing but obvious signifiers of the race.

i suppose chris rock is racist now too?

but just watch it ffs before commenting any further

xp bit more Geldof, no? But it was clearly aimed to be countryfolk I think.

― gyac, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:45 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hard to tell given how badly it's done, but it was def some sort of Dub accent. Not going to watch again though.

it's just that modern standard of a British person doing an Irish accent, which does tend to be Dublin now.

tragically enough, it seems to be an advertisement for a gig in Galway

Mumford and Sons series of 'Gentlemen of the Road Stopover...' shows this summer purposely visit centres off the beaten track of international touring. 'We want to stop off in towns not usually heavily toured by bands, and celebrate the people, food and music that inhabit them,' says the band who promise 'a whole lot of fun'.

If you look at the Youtube video comments, it was circulated privately 4 days ago with insiders or whoever, none of whom saw a problem. Insular little circles lead to this kind of shit as much as anything.

Yeah, most bands from normal backgrounds would probably have someone to slap the fuck out of them for putting something so stupid together.

I volunteer!

it is strangely, bizarrely, incredibly unfunny and uninteresting - 2 minutes long and you just want it to stop the whole time.

eh i've said a few times that i'm more commenting on the irish chip on shoulder and what we'll happily tolerate from millionaire ignoramus shortt vs millionaire ignoramus tory brits as opposed to commenting on the video itself, you shirty fuckin paddy

and speaking as a culchie, pat shortt's no fuckin chris rock

my "ffs" wasn't shirty, and don't call me paddy, mick.

o u didn't

Again with the false assumption about Pat Shortt - I fucking hate the guy & so do a lot of people. But he's one of us, not some sneering outsider.

agree that pat shortt is just fucking awful, but our lack of self regard is at best sad, whereas total ignorance from outsiders is a clear cause for annoyance.

x-post yeah it's pretty simple for me.

The feeling I get when Killinaskully comes on when the boyfriend is over with me is quite similar to how I feel when Jackie Healy-Rae was on BBC news. I cringe.

Also there's a bit of historical context for the English mocking the Irish. If it were idk the Germans I'd be more likely to laugh back at them.

he's not one of me, i don't know who's making the false assumption there tbh

you're not Irish?

i decidedly am, i'm surely not one of whatever pat shortt encapsulates, tks

there's no real argument that can get you around the fact that it's obv worse for someone not of a country/creed/race to mock that country/creed/race

well I thought us vs outsiders was perfectly clear but obviously not.

I totally get that English people should stay the hell away from doing stupid indefensible nonsense like that video. Reading this thread, I'm wondering if it's specifically the English (which is the word people are using) or whether the offence would be as bad if it were Scots or Welsh people doing it? Just idly wondering, really.

not while i'm a phone!

As i said upthread, yeah, hard and fast rule then fine, grand. But there's degrees of it etc

I would find it fairly bad if Scots or Welsh doing it, I just can't see that being the case though. The tone of that video is v specific to English mockery of Ireland and its traditions.

I think it's not really meant to be mockery - I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland

but they just seem weirdly untalented, unfunny, stupid and boring.

I have not heard this band and this seems like a good thing
they are often described as Tories, I wonder if this is true?

btw Tory was originally an Irish term, for a C17-18 highway robber I think

those aware of their previous work will know there's nothing weird about that

I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland

They think so too.

well, it's something

so wait is that a member of mumford & sons in the video?

it's a better 'irish' accent than kevin spacey's in ordinary decent criminal.

it's not very good. it doesn't really have a point. the cliches aren't even drawn on. d-.

not 'offended' or 'shocked', it's just a bad irish accent with no jokes and no point. it's a bad advert.

would you like a prize or

i don't know, i'm not the one competing in 'the disgusted' category tbh

A lot of that accent sounded like a (bad, obv) impersonation of the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types. Though there are many shining strands of green shite woven through it, of course.

http://www.uni-due.de/IERC/index.html

idk despite the differences apparent when listened consecutively, i think i could only really parse dublin/non-dublin and ulster, the one from the southeast sounds enough like connaught accents i have heard etc

to actual irish ppl, how many regional accents could you identify? i don't think it has quite the variety of england, which is a dificult comparison due to relative size, but then as someone who has never been to scotland i can still tell glasgow from teuchter or east of scotland

How many? I can tell you if a man's father came from bunnacurry or dugort

the variation over tiny distances is pretty remarkable

maybe so but extreme localization highlights effects and mutations which cannot take place at a more regional level, like if the priest of dugort pronounces a word a certain way and everyone else in the village follows

could you tell a cork accent from a kerry one?

Definitely. I'd say the ones highlighted on that map are all fairly distinct. The midlands is a lottery

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

Cork and kerry lol thats not even a shared language. Carlow can be a little northern sounding, i dont pick up much accent from the south east corner, and the north (six counties) sounds much the same to me. Midlands is a melting pot but there's discernible differences p much in every county for those that know em im sure

Cant get to this atm but will try later on

yeah i am told that cork and cobh are quite discernable which i'm sure is true, but the extent is probably exagerrated by narcissism of small differences and you'll find some locals insisting that cobh is actually closer to a korean accent than cork

North or south?

As an outsider, Darragh seems otm to me. Cork is unique, I can pick up several Midlands accents but the s/e and north seem to have fewer variations. Could be because I spend all my time in the Midlands though.

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

no

I don't think you can really tell from this, I agree with Darragh on the differences.

When I was in the Coleraine area as a cloth-eared English oppressor I found the local accent a lot softer than the Belfast one, but it's hard to pick up any major differences from the clips on the site

slightly intrigued by this being on a German university website (I have visited that university! not the bit the author's at, though)

this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents

Are you from north America? I have a fairly canonical middle class Dublin accent, and I've only ever been mistaken me for an Englishman by people who hailed from the USA.
Regarding the soundfiles, I'd bet good money that the lady who's tagged as a Finglas resident didn't grow up there.

the variation over tiny distances is pretty remarkable

^ this. I used to know a New Zealander who once remarked to me that in her homeland, everybody sounded exactly the same, regardless of where in the country they came from. She marvelled that in Ireland, every time you move a couple of miles, people seem to sound completely different.

big difference between a flat low tipperary and slightly whiney limerick accent even

Bah. For "mistaken me for", read "mistaken for".

that's a good solid mayo accent, 'yard' in particular would peg him as rural castlebar area tbh

yerman from connemara couldn't give fuck uimhir a h-áon tbh

limerick (and i'm not picking fights my limerick ppl) is an awful accent)

this would work a lot better, i think, were it a coherent paragraph with longer sentences- no flow to it, which really takes away from the music of idk kerry, cork and donegal accents

i agree, the limerick accent is awful

thankfully i dont have one

lol now i look at it, they didn't even bother with midlands- otm

the mid-ulster one is p much donegal again? v much what dmac sounded like in 1994 fwiw, more so than the actual donegal one. best accent obv.

drogheda would rival limerick if it weren't so comical, i mean how do you talk like that naturally.

dublin 1 d14

dublin 2 more d4

v much the oar tee ee one that

cork accent is the best tbh. waterford accent is probably worse than a limerick accent

im very excited to know what darragh sounds like

hmm they've pulled out of the dublin one a bit? there no reeeeeel dubs in it imo

darragh how would u pronounce 'viking'

who in terms of famous ppl has the platonic ideal of dublin accents

robbie keane seems pretty real

i have one sample of my voice, i am reading a christmas story to my toddler niece cos i was dumb enough to by her abook with push button sound effects- eventually (after the first 50 encores) it made sense to just give her a recording

well i mean what is a dublin accent tho

robbie's is real, but then so's is miriam o'callaghan

the third dublin one is quite good, i spose- northside but not panto

i like the waterford one, reminds me of reeling in the years or hands or one of those programmes

she doesn't sound unlike a lower achill woman tbh

pollagh, specifically

not messing i'm near sure i know the woman reading the first dublin accent

mayo one is slightly spoiled due to his eehhh difficulty reading words

idk if this'll work but

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/818963/Sound%20clip%2028.mp4

Limerick one very much minded on value for money, the quicker you get through it the quicker someone will give you a fiver.

it works and you sound great!

idk is it representative but it's def what i sound like after brandy while performing so thanks

Sounds good - a bit mellower and a lot less bitter than I'd imagined, but good. A wdysl is a whole lot weirder than a wdyll though, for some reason.

i'm never all that happy with either, obv brandy working for me re mellow/bitter tbh

toddler niece too, prob

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/818963/Image315.jpg

but we digress, the southeast accent threw me, the midulster one i'd have said was on our side, not enough variety in the dubs ones obv and missing a monaghan/cavan hod accent imo but the rest easy

Sounds good - a bit mellower and a lot less bitter than I'd imagined, but good.

― Ismael Klata, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 23:32 (Yesterday)

always read deems posts in a 'playfully rancorous' but geographically fairly unspecific cadence

the material and setting isn't ideal for rancorous though

just imagine me as dunphy u know you want to

playfully racist

me or him, like

i liked the darragh recording. i had thought my grandmother's accent had faded after being here so long but it's very similar, she is from galway. she leaves me a lot of voice mails i would post but i'd feel mean making fun of her. they're mostly "hellooooo? are you there?" a guy i see at work sometimes is from NI and he sounds to me like he's constantly shouting.

this map thing is hilarious how different they all are!

u, i got nothin on dunphy

public transport in dublin is so quiet until schoolkids or nordies get on.

they even use normal voice before mass up there begab

fair, fair, zvooks

xp tks harbl- i think my accent is a lil neutral after years of movin round tho, so maybe yr gran has lost it a bit? tho imo galway is quite a clear/neutral accent as they go.

idk tho i'm on the red line and yknow idk is it always quiet like

aw ryan and emma

"hod accent"

what is hod?

idk u carry bricks in one and it's a heavy accent i was kinda in a hurry to get the sentence out maybe

i'd recant it even so, because the accents aren't heavy.... they're a curious mix, lyrical but with the odd edge i spose, and the vowels are fuckin evrywheah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuBVihbsU0o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L1GPftxOs4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4rNFd6Z198

that's it i'm here for the night

nakh obv you'll be loving these

it's nice to hear your voice again, darragh.

dont let on which balaclava i'm hiding behind pls

get some sleep ffs

i'm not a dobber.

hey this is my first night up in months, and the fightin talk got me all angried up

i wont sleep now til big joe joyce gets whats comin to him i tell ya

there is a fairly big diff in the Cavan and Monaghan accent, feel like the Monaghan is more sing-songy and the Cavan is harsher in the NI fashion yet idiosyncratic and weird

donegal accent is very nice, love that place

who in terms of famous ppl has the platonic ideal of dublin accents

robbie keane seems pretty real

robbie's isn't really typical imo. a specific type.

shane lynch of boyzone the most famous person (in his day) to have a strong dublin accent.

besides like ronnie drew and stuff but that's a bit more classic.

there was none that seemed like it was supposed to be galway city so i did one bc it is not really a "connemara" accent even if it technically is, drowsy first thing drawl, faggy intonation:

They bought a kit to make beer
She bought herself a new dress
They walked into the trap
There are a lot of people outside
Jason wanted the Golden Fleece
He cut the piece of twine
There are four horses in the field
They had a goat on their farm
They didn’t have a good start in life
I suppose they are happy now
She’s learning how to dance
They have a new water supply
The rail track is overgrown
You will have to run for the bus
The whole floor is wet
He used to strut about town
It’s just his style
She put on a brave face
We took another path
They realised the problem
You should go soft on him
They are the pride of the nation
The choice was the right one
The force of the wind increased
The prison term was quite long
They were eating out of the palm of her hand
Put a comma after that word
I think it’s time to go
There are two of them here
The rail track was overgrown
There’s a gap in the field
He was talking about his wife
That wasn’t very fair
It’s just his style
He put his foot in it
Spare a thought for your parents
The price has gone up again
The city is at the mouth of the river
It’s near the modern station, down by the town square
The film should start soon
There’s a letter for you today
Now breathe in slowly please
She said she was coming
My back is very sore lately
He put his cap on
She took her shoes off

i get thrown by "she put on a brave face on" bc i would naturally say "she put a brave face on her" which i guess is more distinctly west of ireland

i mean:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/lhxzufmrgj1qe5w/Voice%20021.mp3

As an Irishman abroad, the one that really jumps out (in that I'd forgotten that people say it and it produces a wince) is cyarr.

plax i could just about recognise as western

ftr i sent the link to someone from mayo and they also thought the kilkenny sample sounded quite western

i love thick ulster accents, my friend has a superb one. "power shower for an hour"

nakh obv you'll be loving these

― the gowls are not what they seem (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 April 2013 04:46 (10 hours ago)

oh yeah i have been all over the traveller fighting youtubes before

the bragging/challenge videos are more interesting than the actual fights which are resolutely amateur and lacking the frisson of the beautifully filmed 'brazilian bodybuilders vs knackers' cinema verité triumph of late last year

i like one with the topless dude whose complexion gives the suggestion that he has spent a lot of time sitting outside wearing a vest during the summertime

xp yes, I was quite disappointed that none of the sentences featured the words "owl", "towel" or "however"

that bodybuilders v "knackers" one is the birth of the "ah hey-ore, leevirou'! leevi fuckin ou'" meme, right? think i've seen it as polish bodybuilders.

I showed it to my brother and he was disgusted by me and i was ^2 delighted. He was a scrapper in his youth but is holier than thou about idiots getting kicked in the head these days

This video needs more love IMO so if nobody objects I'm just going to shoehorn it in for no reason other than the fact that it's Irish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhHW17OUbkY

anyway i youtubed longford accent and got into a spool of feuding tapes. There is on feudtubes, good times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3kR4An-4n4

'absolute units' of unclear nationality

darragh were you a scrapper in your youth

Youth? He's a scrapper now.

Oh i'll enjoy the rest of that later aonghus. Is it carlow?

reminds me of a book of irish negative thinking strategy i was gonna write called 'feel the fear and cop yerself on wouldya'

"feel the fear and don't tell anyone for god's sake"

Dayo u are biographically quizzically troublesome imo. I was only a scrapper insofar as defending.myself from a scrapper older brother, and the odd time the aul lady tbf. I never scrapped anyone else if they looked twice at me the brother'd oftentimes put them through a window and word gets around.

ay, so you were a scrapper

Nah but i'd plead a rueful guilty to having had a mouth on me

lol now i look at it, they didn't even bother with midlands- otm

I did the same list as plax.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/50272574/recording1704.mp3

plax I picked as western by the consonants and the short As in words.

Drogheda accent has to be best in the whole country, no contest.

I suspect bias!

bias?

Where ya from

And just how many of you are there?

might do this later

Offaly

Ah so, bias accusation rescinded! I've known some offaly ppl, not a strong accent iirc

also, meant to post this - http://mooncountry.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/later-as-an-accent-marker/

this is essential

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G2b0bzUYq8Y#!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJNGfUYMJNY

steve coogan doing a particular central mayo accent, from 1.30 onwards. it is flawless.

man those rally guys tho

musha now whisht whist! now you're at it! heaaugh haw HA ehHAHAha

it's like a synge play set in a racecar, but more craic

otm

I'm aware that if I still lived in Ireland I'd already be tired of a) these chancers and b) this behaviour, but still:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpZbaz3Wlfw

i went to ireland once. my then-gf's host family was great. they got really drunk with us and then were like, making fun of their own kids.

then were like, making fun of their own kids.

I'm aware that if I still lived in Ireland I'd already be tired of a) these chancers and b) this behaviour, but still:

yerwan playin mammy is inspired

just dipping in to say i LOVE that rally vid posted upthread, those dudes are the best & their accents RULE

i'm guessing cavan, could be monaghan tho

xpost most of the americans i have known in my life, including my parents, are not the type of people who even complain about their kids to strangers. the cult of childhood is very strong among upper middle class people in central jersey at least, and kids are like status symbols here... everyone thinks their kid is amazing. so this irish family was pretty different than that, even though they seemed like great parents who would do things with their kids etc.

lol catholics

darragh how would u pronounce 'viking'

― 乒乓, Tuesday, April 16, 2013 9:54 PM (3 months ago)

lol btw

darragh what do you make of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JllQi0cNRuM

Cant view cos itd wake yerwan. The screenshot is promising, ill get back to you asap.

adult on helium imo

also sounds like a fucking performance school kid with a script basically i hope they and the pushy parent behind them die roaring tbh

sorry to hear u dont share i love music's the 1975 fixation

Darragh do schools have drama clubs in ireland

you've lost me xp

most villages now do drama clubs because we have lots of empty halls now and sure you have to give the hoors a legitimate day job to keep the country wives off the scent

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=41

what the fuck is that to do with me

Darragh she sounds like a precocious drama club president

i did not enjoy her performance, 8 yr old irish girls are much funnier and less mannered than that ime tho tbf i don't as a rule truck with the dubs if i can help it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zbJxgT4ok

this is what im saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDOoEIfADfs

we're going deep dyao if it gets too much you just whistle a jig and tap yr feet and i'll be there like a green jiminy cricket ok

the 1975 are a band with i) famous showbiz parentage ii) high pitched vocals iii) notional 'trending' relevance

i have only one of those things, idk why you'd try to pin this on me.

here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJcP2dDSvY

note: no actual attack on jedward fans, more's the pity

is 'knacker' kind of omerta in polite liberal society like pikey or whatever

what would be the best dialectal pejorative for niall quinn

nakh what's the deal with pikey

Darragh you should go work for the tourism department

The Emerald Bile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEl2JH6ruOw

girl at 1:00 otm obv

knacker, tbph, ought to be verboten in polite society but we're prob knot quite there yet.

idk where it falls irt pikey or chav, there's a definite edge to it tho. as flung at yr actual travellers it's an evil, as a pejorative for yr standard tracksuit wearer etc the cut is less imo but i mean this is ilx im not gonna draw lines as to an 'acceptable' usage of the term

Skanger less offensive than knacker, maybe?

i would not do well in tourism as we do it, tho i like to think that funded for a year with a handycam and a socialising budget i could sell the place yeah tbph

one-on-one i encouraged at least one touristing ilxor to overpay for at least three lunches so i mean given the backing i could get results

skanger def less so, and mainly because (afaik) it doesn't have the actual roots in yr minority group like knacker does.

How many drinks did you make him/her buy you xp

talking point: should emo kids in provincial towns should feel bad for calling their tracksuited oppressors 'pikeys'

pikey = pejorative for romanis

not an irish question, disqualified

no drinks, lunchtime lunch

nakh are u aware of our vincent browne

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70pFmnILJn8

deems in more advanced media markets a talking point is more than just a 'question', it's the closest our age gets to socratic discourse

yes i am aware but not especially so

i've not bought the irish times in quite a while

emo kids in provincial towns should feel bad about being emo kids in provincial towns, there's prob fucking cows need milking

i'm not ever sure what one should feel bad about saying about ppl you dont like in yr teens, to address the q. yr a teen and they're cunts, it's hard to draw up rules that cover the necessary ground.

can they say knackers

'can they'

well as a responsible adult you'd be having a word obv

don't you think a fairer response would be to empower the so called 'knackers' to give the emo kids a second round of punishment beatings in order to correct their racism?

no

i think what you've prob got to do is arm the emos sufficently so that there exists reason enough for a detente and nothing really ever kicks off, yr emos learn to lean in and participate, yr knackers obv start to see the benefit of mutual non-aggression pacts at an early stage in their criminal careers, they prob get round to destroying the gaa lads before xmas term ends as a unified if uneasy force

guys what "tinkers"

what ABOUT

deems u gotta do a taxonomy of rural irish teenage groups/stereotypes

nah

'tinkers' an offensive enough term but it doesnt imo/e have the edge of knacker to it- there'd be old ppl out rural that remember when a tinker was a tinker and would have mended, sharpened, fixed around the place. they'd have called into my grandmothers and been known and known there was welcome and tinker was how they were known.

but prob nowadays it's just a softer way of marking the travellers tbh

the way i hear it my mom wasn't allowed to talk to the tinker boy

irish teen groups idk

there was a load of them mighty boosh kids, they'd have been grunge when i was a lad and emo prob a few years behind me but they were boosh iirc. now they just wear yellow shoes with stripey tights. as a group they'd be known as eejits. there's a lot more of them in dublin, or than i remember from when i was at school.

there's yr skangers, you'll have known them

there's yr group of kinda normalish indie kids, not standing out or anything beyond a partic satchel or w/e. ilxy looking yknow.

there's preppy kids in dublin. we didn't have them.

there's culchie kids. struggling for style and maybe getting there or not as the solid upbringing brought them out of themselves or not. teeth are better these days.

gaa lads. we had gaa lads. not quite jocks ime experience until i moved to a bigger town, then yeah def stereotype jocks.

idk. i stress i grew up in rural communities and we had p much fuck all of anything beyond culchie or normal kids. the only other group of note were eh prob under the heading 'troubled' kids where the parents were alcos or just fucked or w/e i mean we had more of those than we did booshes skangers or preppy combined

didnt u play gaa

yr mom was rural gbx iirc, i would never have asked her age but yeah if she was rural in the 50's or 60's the tinker divide, i guess here now, was probably nothing like as pronounced as it is now ito standards of poverty/living or what have you.

i was 16 when we moved to a town where they were travellers but tbh by that stage, or in that town, or w/e, it was not a distinct culture, they'd all have been housed and settled and not really any different from many townie kids from estates as i'd have seen em

i played hurling during one of my incarnations (donegal 1988-94 iirc) but never really football, tbrr i was an athletics star when that wasnt any fucking good to you in rural ireland but no i never played team sports and never went near the fuckin gaa lads in actual games those guys would kill you

darragh did you know any asians growing up

lol wtf man srsly i was probably notable enough for knowing some english ppl growing up

the other day an erudite elderly relative was explaining the moral superiority of gaelic fitba, sthing like more opportunities to score, not english

i saw a black guy in a hotel in killybegs in 1993 i was 12 i guess it was 'woah'

darragh are you friends with any asians now irl, any mates

the superiority in gaelic and the ease of scoring is that it causes u as a defender to front the fuck up i think. you sit off, he scores, anywhere within 40 yards. hence, prob, the noted leniency on physical contact vs other sports such as soccer, rugby, wrestling or murder

since this is now the ask deems thread, what were your athletics events and how good were u and do u think u could outsprint michael dawson over 100m

yeah my mom was rural as hell (UP HILL BOTH WAYS, NO RUNNING WATER, AYE WE RAISED RABBITS), and in the 50s as well

xp nope, tho i promise i've not been avoiding em or anything

the newest mate i've met irl is a rather spiffing young gay military history grad of norman heritage who is v politically active. he would, imo, make an excellent addition to hibernian ilx but he tends to make jokes of questionable taste regarding the lower orders etc so maybe not just yet

lol this always turns into the ask deems threads and i bet the irish ilxors are rtde

boys u13 champion donegal 1993 in 200m, 100m hurdles, long jump, high jump and 1500m at yr service, ulster champ high jumper and 4th in all ireland that year (tho i was forced to wear spiked shoes which threw me)

couldnt outsprint dawson now, no, but back then i'd back myself against most (i was silver in the 100m fwiw but yerman was all-ireland winner that year so i wasn't gutted)

i do prob need an ask deems thread tbrr on volume alone if not noteworthiness or expertise

what was your best 100m? dawson would be maybe high 12s or something idk? we won't be harsh and force his limited mind to navigate any real or metaphorical hurdles so just flat out peak deems vs peak dawson

yeah my mom was rural as hell (UP HILL BOTH WAYS, NO RUNNING WATER, AYE WE RAISED RABBITS), and in the 50s as well

― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx),

ya fuck all eating in a rabbit we were lucky (ancestrally like) we had the fishing

deems are there any irish tv shows you rate and would recommend watching

idk these weren't timed events that i recall nakh

deems do you feel j.r.r. tolkien appropriated any of yer culture for the lord of the rings and if so which parts

'the irish' = deems, everyone knows this and assents

eh factual or dramatic or documentary style or what

i mean there's this show called 'hands' that i can't find anywhere online but shows every few years and it is filmmaker going from town to town just spending an hour each time on a particular craftsman and it is a+ record of (at a guess) 60's ireland as well as being the 'how it's made' of its day, if how it's made focused on men drinking strong tea before making cartwheels or raising honeybees or casting iron in a shed or w/e

'reeling in the years' is a p good newsreel show that does year-to-year summations of the stories, scandals, music, fashion, sport, adverts w/e of that year, it's a good starter

drama- ppl rep for 'love/hate' which deals with post celtic tiger drug/gang drama- not watched but it's not under fierce competition here.

politics- nothing glitzy or as clever as yr jon stewarts etc, but current affairs are well served by yr primetime, frontline, tonight with aforementioned vincent browne i guess.

i am not massively 'cultured' tbh. watch some hurling if you can find a hd clip, that's the stuff. and guinness ads.

jrr tolkien- can't say as any of it resonates strongly tbh. it's a v british work and if we were appropriated anywherre it may well be as the dunlander oathbreakers skulking in ignorance and fear as we faded into nothingness in the far hills away from the light and warm evenings of yr brees and yr brandybucks

The Dunlendings almost all had beards, dirty faces, and long matted hair. They also wore clothes of leather and animal skin. The weapons carried by Dunlendings were simple but effective for their purpose. They usually fought with clubs and pitchforks, and at times they carried torches to act as lights at night and to burn buildings by day. The buildings that Dunlendings lived and worked in were crude shacks of wood and animal skin that were often sabotaged by wargs and sometimes the Rohirrim

^^^^

So the dunlenders were a bunch of scrappers

deems are there any irish tv shows you rate and would recommend watching

― 乒乓, Monday, September 2, 2013 8:44 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4hmFPBf-C8

while that was good enough, apparently they were.

we do not get to see, tbh, if, after the king returned, they developed into a race of lugubrious drunkards prone to religion and property development

can't see that max

max's ppl are from roscommon, ireland does not, imo, get much realer than roscommon, like the west but without even 'the fishing' ffs

i have found hands, thank u thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JuTNhRjbhU

sally o'brien and the way she might look at you

yeah tho 'my people' who are from ireland comprise only like 1/8 of my total people, maybe 1/16th, i can never remember

still i love ireland and i love the irish and love sally o'brien and the way she might look at you and the pint of harp

i dont want to hear a fuckin sound out the back of the class at 1:30 dye hear me lads

lmao ty4 sally o'brien

1/16 is p much purebred for a 'yank' tbf max

these days sally o'brien would skull that pint of harp but it'd be more likely the pint of drugs and she'd lep a fence to rape ya god save ireland

now im not saying things were better nor worse before but a man gets tired repairing fences i'll swear

the relative lack of 'culture' is one of the best things about ireland, the seeping nothing shit that is the aura of content and envelopes everything even if u dont pay attention to the content itself

the benefits of being a small country where there are only a couple of national newspapers and 80% of the tv music etc is imported, like there is no 'stephen fry' in ireland, there is probably some person who interview ppl on rte but there isn't 'david frost', i don't think u even use the term 'national treasure', it just seemed easier to avoid culture in this sense that it is in england

an exception would be that everyone has some gossip related to u2

we have culture but it is idk

like, i'd guess that with cultural nationalism as it developed in the late 19th c you didn't get to choose the culture you had, it was tacitly (explicitly?) agreed that 'this' is irish/gaelic culture, 'this' is a unified banner and we must of necessity run with it in order to develop even the concept that we can forge and keep an identity. i think that probably continued right through dev and all that, with the obvious proviso that we had the writers- i think that they would themselves prob acknowledge themselves as outside the system of culture as agreed tho, even as it dominated and swamped them in most of what they did.

the concept of an irish culture that is free to develop and explore itself and be irish culture merely from the fact of irish origin as opposed to conforming to yr historical type will in time imo probably bring us to a comfortable satellite position with the uk, but with curlier writing and the knowledge that we have authenticity in our bones should we ever need it

and we'll always have the writers

rly we have much better ppl to delve into every aspect of that and agree/disagree, would read that thread tho

oh fuck, fr ted is obv noteworthy as irish tv gets dayo, if you can get into that you will genuinely be close to the heart of something important

watch fr ted, read o'brien or one of the others, i'm not getting into who you should listen to but personally planxty from my limited exposure do seem like a good broad target, drink some green spot if you can get it. you'd be not far off something true.

yeah i wondered why u hadn't directed dayo to the the father ted offends the craggy island chinese community episode

if i moved to the auld country should i settle in craggy island

Set on the fictional Craggy Island, a remote location off Ireland's west coast

;_;

i have lived on yr craggy island archetype and the broadband isnt great but the girls and the scenery made up for it

oh dont worry, if craggy island is fictional it's because they couldnt settle on just one spot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Ro9f5pmhM

irish sports analysis is important

here's my island dayo, let me know if it fits the bill as a craggy island substitute

http://photos3.media.pix.ie/3A/6C/3A6CA84D1E22463EBF63D5AFC56D3698-0000314357-0001866253-00800L-30D5E183ABB7405CBDF7BC2BAA703C3B.jpg?w=840

how would someone from a visible minority do in achill?

Ay that's a craggy island xp

idk

it's insular and clannish but not in that stupid movie way.

curiosity, and more than likely clumsy reference to it a fair bit at first, but in a hamfisted goodnatured discomforted way, or then again maybe terrified to make any ref at all. hard to say.

not much in the way of whispers before or after you, and i'd like to imagine nothing in the way of outright abuse based on it- we save that for the english ime, and they fuckin love it until they're drunk and looking for trouble anyways.

small community, everyone from outside yr house is a bit strange to you bytimes, kind of thing. ppl from sligo are foreign, and brits are likely as not mental nuisance artists. a quiet lad from bangladesh that got his round in would do ok i think.

When you go out deems what's a good benchmark for how many pints to consume in a night. Let's say from 9 PM - 3 AM

distant dublin cousin of mine is married to someone from i think indonesia and aiui there hasn't been too much racism, they are both drs which probably helps in terms of being accepted but there were difficulties with the marrying a muslim aspect, i think it got smoothed over but who knows what grudges are held by the old ones out in the country

i dont drink pints but taking yr question in fair spirit call it one every 30-40 mins until lurching into the nightclub round the back at around 1am and then it's double vodka red bulls as fast as the staff can handle ye until kicking out time

What's your poison of choice then

how would you answer that question with an impersonal you, like if u were writing a style guide for young dubliners?

xp

i) dublin is different tbf, either side of it and both sides of it
ii) i dunno would being a doctor of southeast asian descent lower any likely impact- it is a bit of a cliche like.

whcih question nakh

fuck ya i typed 'knack' there and had to turn back

my country cousins are now into 'drugs' which i think means skag and a bit of the old thieving from senile relatives apparently

poison is usually straight and amber coloured, if i'm thirsty it'll be a cider of any quality but v rarely more than 2 pints, a standard 9-3 is rare but given those parameters i'll go shot-for-pint with the lads until the nightclub and prob join them in the stupidity at that stage

drink qn

heroin! in the country!

i am a terrible naif when it comes to what the youth may or may not be up to, but i dont think unkindly of them for it or anything. my crowd from 97-99 were mainly british (as alluded to) and therefore anything was to be expected of them and spliff was not a stranger to the extended gang, tho sadly i never partook

i would not write a style guide for young dubliners and i cant remember enough of my grammar (for we learn v little of it as a formal subject tbrr) to fully comprehend what is being asked of me there

i remember having the "drugs aren't intrisically evil but if you overdo anything it will make you a tool" convo with my eldest and he looked at me in a way that made me not want to bother sharing my horror stories with him

what the hell time is it there deems

it is TRANSFER DEADLINE DAY here gbx. time stops at 22:59:59 so it is that time

i am currently awaiting confirmation from the FA as to whether i can move to the bedroom

i think most of the alkies were spirits predominantly, so maybe a half a dozen bottles a week between home and away? i don't really have any idea what safe responsible friday blackout drinking in ireland entails, family alcoholism means a lot of abstemious types who wouldn't touch more than a couple drinks

oh right what's the norm

idk friday night drinking for yr teen discovering their limits would probably entail, after the usual settling-in period, one of these without being considered exceptional. i recall planning to do two of them more than once, tho i can't claim to have much recollection after the fact of having done so

A naggin contains 200ml of liquid.[2] The next size up from a naggin is 350ml in volume, often called a,"shoulder" "daddy-naggin" or "double naggin", despite falling short of truly containing twice the amount of fluid, the next size is 700ml and is known as a "neck". Naggins, particularly those of inexpensive vodka (such as Huzzar), are popular among youths, under-age drinkers and students. They are often implicated in binge drinking.

Although the smaller size is the same as the volume of a Chopine of wine, the bottles are usually significantly different in shape. The naggin bottle is typically short and flat, suitable for placing in a pocket

really covering what matters there tbf

like we are def talking underage here. idk once yr 18 do you keep count really

A naggin contains 200ml of liquid.[2]

the systeme integrale unit corresponding to a culchie's first fumbled shift

/internationale

"shift" has to be punt-era currency surely, can't imagine the tiger cubs didn't coin their own

The worst is 'feek', 'feekin a byur' god help us 35 miles away and its another language

xp two naggins and ice is a pint, and looks like water

I quite like the fact people who sneak drinks into pubs are called "crouching tiger" (hidden naggin).

Idk about Achill but kids growing up in most towns above 10,000 people would probably know a couple of Asians, Nigerians, definitely Poles, Lithuanians, etc, today, I think.

Today, and towns over 10k, yeah sure

Makes u wonder how a burrito stall would do in clones

RE: good irish tv shows. wasnt this meant to be good? i didnt see any of it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_Mule

What do you suppose an Irish burrito would contain xp

carrots and parsnipa

like the way this got onto the harp ad within about 20 posts.

xpost bacon and cabbbage

Carrots, parsnips, bacon, cabbage xxp

That'll do for me

According to Google Maps, the nearest Mexican restaurant to Clones is in Navan. If we all chip in some seed money, i think this Irish burrito stall thing could have legs.

The Burrit'o Stall

Can we christen it "An asal beag"?

As Alamo

Carrots, parsnips, bacon, cabbage

A sausage drowned in ketchup and some pudding and we're done.

I can see a visit to El Toro Loco in my future next time I'm home.

Cuisín mar ya

burrito place opened in limerick last month. looks manky inside though.

Manky hôte

La Manqueria

Shay Guevara's

Fiddle Castro's

Frida Carlow's

Tac O'Bell

Wasn't he the guy who was Speaker of the House of Representatives for years?

he corrida pig under his arm

always dreamt of a banda/country n'irish fusion. theyre both the same really

when i say dream i actualy mean nightmare

Due to the current "anti-meat fad", the government has broadcasted television advertisements to discourage meat consumption. In the north, the Ulster fry has been particularly cited as being a major source for a higher incidence of cardiac problems, quoted as being a "heart attack on a plate". All the ingredients are fried, although more recently the trend is to grill as many of the ingredients as possible. These advertisements however, do not explain the health and vigor of native Irish people while eating their traditional diets high in both fat and meat.[28]

what's the diff between an "ulster fry" and just a "fry"? i refuse to believe ni catholics aren't killing themselves with 2x rashers eggs sausages plus beans and chips/bread/tea on a daily basis.

jesus christ

what the fuck do you want? what do you think you're achieving here?

3000 DEAD man, DEAD.

LET IT GO

ps it's mainly farls and/or a fried soda slice, we have done this

yeah i remember lengthy discussion of regional breakfast variations

lolz

i don't recall this even tho every food topic is done to death on ilx. farls are more common now south of the border. they fry a slice of soda bread? intriguing.

xpost i don't remember the exact ulster fry diff being discussed, tho i remember a discussion along these lines.

it's slightly overblown tbh, mainly cos of religion

tho tbh, change the demographics of the country all you like, i can't see the muslim fry ever really taking off

RFI: The Traditional Irish Fry-Up

christ im hungry

do catholics in the north refrain from farls/fried slices of soda bread?

8 years ago. ffs.

They surely don't fry soda bread? Disgusting savages.

i've definitely had is as part of an ulster fry, tho maybe it was an admin error tbf

they saw you were an outsider.

yeah i had the roi plates on the car- we were just nipping through on a shortcut getting to donegal, i didn't see the harm. jesus, i was such a fool!

we were lucky to get out without our eggs broken

So, apparently British people don't understand the word "banjaxed"!

Banjaxed Britain

They all reflexively agreed with u and tutted that jaxed was very dangerous whatever it was

not only am i familiar with the word but i can tell you that Terry Wogan wrote a book of that title in the 70s

Yeah I'm familiar with the word also.

nobody in my office knew it. i mailed my entire editorial team cos i was going to use it in a headline. nobody had ever heard of it.

dictionary says it's american in origin.

Basement Banjaxed

I love that one of the references for "banjaxed" (here: http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/banjaxed) is

Martin McGuinness was known to have confessed in October 1994 to the Irish Prime Minister: "We know the arms will have to be banjaxed.
TIMES, SUNDAY TIMES (2001)

banjaxing for peace

armalite and the banjax box

"will have to be banjaxed" is an odd way of putting it. In my experience things become banjaxed but you do not actively banjax them

OED says "Etymology unknown; perhaps originally Dublin slang". Going to try using it at work, maybe I can sneak something like this into a paper:

1968 Observer 29 Dec. 19/1 You completely banjax the whole psychological impact.

OED has lots of examples of transitive 'banjax', though it does seem odd to me:

1969 G. Lyall Venus with Pistol viii. 48 The man is a twit. I mean, he banjaxed that Zurich trip.
1972 New Yorker 28 Oct. 40/1 Ha-ha, so she ups and banjaxed the old man one night with a broken spade handle.
1976 U. Holden String Horses viii. 102 The dawn suicide the day before had made a lot of work and worry, had banjaxed things for a while.
1979 T. Wogan Banjaxed (1980) 78, I am out to banjax the bookies.

"will have to be banjaxed"

martin mcnulty

Not sure you could go a day in this British office without hearing something described as banjaxed. (Generally active and transitive in use but with a barely defined subject, e.g. "well that's banjaxed the computer system")

a thing can only be banjaxed

it cannot have been banjaxed

it is not banjaxed by anyone

it is now, as we stand, banjaxed, and that is all

I shall defer to your jaxment

im trying to come up with a suitably droll derivation using bean ui jaic or somesuch but tbh i've a dental appt coming up and am distracted by the likelihood of my mouth being beanjaicsed afterwards

the jax which will have been banned

bán jacks are a bad idea ime but for that to work the descriptor has to follow the noun iirc and it doesnt sound partic like ban so i mean

what does the OED give as earliest usage?

Actually it stems from the Urdu "Bahnn Gehecked" which refers to a large pottery cooking bowl or gourd....These gourds were not very resistant to heat and developed cracks at the base.
When the Pasthu women lifted these onto their shoulders the base frequently came away showering the carrier with hot liquid or stew.

By common usage then the term became a descriptor for an item which was faulty or unsafe.
For instance when someone would attempt to lift a full basket of cobras for the snake charmer someone might say .."Be carefull Parminder....that could be bahnn gehecked...

British soldiers in India brought the expression to these islands

boards.ie so caveat emptor

shit i made a sweet caveat emptor joke the last day and forget it now

From the OED 2nd ed.

Anglo-Ir. slang.

Earliest quotations:
‘F. O'Brien’ At Swim-two-Birds 240 Here is his black heart sitting there as large as life in the middle of the pulp of his banjaxed corpse. 1956 S. Beckett Waiting for Godot (rev. ed.) 79 Lucky might get going all of a sudden. Then we'd be banjaxed [1954: ballocksed]. 1959 D. O'Neill Life has no Price ix. 169, I had the right to leave him talk, I suppose, and banjax us altogether? 1968 Observer 29 Dec. 19/1 You completely banjax the whole psychological impact. 1969 G. Lyall Venus with Pistol viii. 48 The man is a twit. I mean, he banjaxed that Zurich trip. 1972 New Yorker 28 Oct. 40/1 Ha-ha, so she ups and banjaxed the old man one night with a broken spade handle. 1974 Nature 22 Nov. 334/1 My sense of enlightenment was somewhat tempered by the banjaxed mood in which I found myself. 1976 U. Holden String Horses viii. 102 The dawn suicide the day before had made a lot of work and worry, had banjaxed things for a while. 1979 T. Wogan Banjaxed (1980) 78, I am out to banjax the bookies.

is it one of a pair with bollixed now i wonder

the american dictionary merriam webster gives 1939, but boyle sez it in juno & the paycock and i suspect it's o'casey's coinage

yep suspect so xp

like podge & rodge?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banjoed on the uk tip

banjaxed and bollixed is beautiful and i am def gonna start using it

pyoor o'casey yeah

originally from Caesar iirc: "alea banjacta est"

The organisers of Cork’s main contribution to The Gathering have apologised after controversy flared up at Cork City Council over their use of the Cork term of abuse, ‘langer’, in relation to Michael Collins.

The controversy arose when Fine Gael members of Cork City Council noticed that a brochure promoting Cork Rebel Week carried a Cork Rebel Passport in the name of Michael Collins and in the slot for “sex”, bore the word ‘langer’.

The word ‘langer’ is a Cork term of abuse whose usage was generally confined to Leeside but after Roy Keane reportedly used it describe Mick McCarthy during their contretemps in Saipan before the 2002 World Cup, its familiarity spread.

The Saipan incident prompted local Cork songwriter Tim O’Riordan to pen ‘The Langer Song” which he recorded with his band Natural Gas which helped to promote ‘langer’ as a term of abuse beyond the Rebel County.

According to Sean Beecher in his Dictionary of Cork Slang, the word ‘langer’ has two meanings - ‘a disagreeable person’ as in ‘Go away, you langer’ or ‘a penis’, with the second derivation possibly coming from langur, a long tailed monkey in India.

topical

ime cork people would use langer almost affectionately about fellow corkonians.

So, apparently British people don't understand the word "banjaxed"!

Disgusting savages

who in terms of famous ppl has the platonic ideal of dublin accents

robbie keane seems pretty real

robbie's isn't really typical imo. a specific type.

shane lynch of boyzone the most famous person (in his day) to have a strong dublin accent.

― Tioc Norris (LocalGarda), 17 April 2013

i've decided that this is richie sadlier btw

"famous ppl"

what would be the best dialectal pejorative for niall quinn

― So hot in Herrenvolk (Nilmar Honorato da Silva)

eejit, if anyone ever wanted to say anything bad about lovely niall.

sadlier's accent kinda annoys me.

snob

tho would it not be his tone and mannerism that might annoy you?

get out of it, he's not even got a strong dublin accent. not at all.

^ delivered with sadlieresque disgust/dismissal

it's a combo, he's sort of arrogant and that comes through in the way he says things. i do like him though, moreso since i copped he was sadlier and his role on the show is "expert". i thought he was just another one of the regular presenters at first and him taking this role seemed irritating.

i like him, think he's the best prospect to emerge since .... well, jesus, since the 70 year olds i guess

he is good, and has good knowledge. he needs to resist the pull towards just being negative for the sake of it though, even stronger in ireland when in the shadow of the elders.

his buckling under the thuggish threat of brady after the german game was a warning to all upstarts everywhere that they haven't gone away you know, it could have been subliminal advert sponsored directly by FF rump waiting in the long grass to take ireland back from these shiny know-nothing critics that don't remember italia 90, aren't sthrong on the national question and don't understand how 'we do things' here. but they'll learn.

if he'd only fuckin nutted the old cunt straight twixt brows i think labour would have headed this morning's polls.

yeah brady is easily beaten down too. he cares too much and actually works in the game so a gleeful dunphy can always cut him to pieces.

I imagine Sadlier was quite cheerful til he encountered the terrifying black cloud of anhedonia that emanates directly from the core of Ray Houghton's being. That kind of encounter changes a man