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I am about as Irish as a Shamrock Shake, thanks to my Euromongrel background, but I have roots on both mom and dad's side and my family name derives from a town in County Kilkenny, so hey. Then there's our own Miss Kearney, of course. ;-) But above and beyond that and other folks like Ronan, there's the nation itself, where the list of Irish (and Anglo-Irish, true) artists in many fields runs on forever, regrettable interruptions like, say, Bono aside. So then -- a bunch of Guinness-soaked louts or a flowering of native Celtic genius that makes the English look like a passel of Hooray Henrys and who wisely escaped the UK's clutches to help make America the brilliant place it is?

Search: Flann O'Brien, Wilde of course, the Virgin Prunes, Father Ted.

Destroy: leprechauns, St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Do bartenders in horrible phony Irish pubs in America ever draw anything in the head of a pulled pint of Guiness other than a shamrock? A pair of tits maybe.

Benjamin, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't believe you didn't mention Kevin Shields, Ned.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

He's afraid Alan Mc G Burger might jump on this thread.

nathalie, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out that I'm only a third Irish, you know. Hence the big ass. If I was 100% I wouldn't have that.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

What Natalie said. Besides which, I thought by now I don't need to mention him, it's implicit. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

search: bad basement punk rock shows in dublin while on vacation where huge football thug dances around on stage before vomiting and passing out in the corner.

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

jess, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Kevin Rowland once said the Irish were "unnecessarily zealoius, if becoming" which kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I have a bit of a zealous streak myself which I have to keep in check because it's a bit shit really, isn't it?

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Some Irish pple are nice, some Irish pple are not so nice.

jel, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Neil Jordan, Beckett, Thin Lizzy, foxy Colin Farrell (ok Joel Schumacher, we'll let you live), Undertones, the rugged coastline

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Brennan on the Moor, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

All the Irish pple I've met have been nice, lucky me.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

The Unicarn, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Irish soda bread is really good. If you mix Baileys with Kahlua, Amaretto and milk, you get a real solid drink.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Mmm, toasted almond.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Destroy: stinky Irish "cuisine". Thank god my mom's Italian, that's all I have to say...

Kerry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Celtic mythology. Oooh lord.

Lyra, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

U2, Guinness... um... hills and rain.

JM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ethan is a Mick. So I've heard. He's also whisky. POP SHOTS.

Greg, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The worst Irish export is that smug bastard on Top Gear. And the IRA.

DG, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm the best mick ever.

ethan, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Uniformed attire (i.e., white shirt, dark green or plaid skirts, etc.) of all the young women there...*whew* have mercy!

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

Joe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I spent a week in Ireland (2 days in Northern Ireland, the remainder in the Republic) six years ago, and it was fabulous. Rented a car in Belfast and drove all over the place, ending up in Dublin. Sunny for 4 days out of the 7, too, which the locals said made me very lucky.

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ah bejabers sure aren't we a grand aul bunch o praties?

DV, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Was it Shane Magowan, lifetime resident of North London (until recently, I think he has now moved to his spiritual home now) who said that then?

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link

And it's quite a late night for me.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

humansuit, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link

luke kelly.

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:43 (thirteen years ago) link

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

three months pass...

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

darraghmac, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

burt_stanton, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

Laurel, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

darraghmac, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:40 (thirteen years ago) link

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Ronan, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:46 (thirteen years ago) link

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link

bono isn't even catholic iirc?

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:34 (three months ago) link

my mum said once when she was driving her sister Joan from Dublin to Kilbrew she pointed at a very grand house somewhere and said that's where Bono grew up, but she said it was nothing on the mansion the Coyle's of Tayto crisps fame lived in! It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't catholic.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:40 (three months ago) link

I just googled, catholic dad, protestant mum, grew up going to church of Ireland, went to a catholic primary school and a protestant secondary.

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:42 (three months ago) link

classic centrist twat!

my mum has an obsession with the Coyle family because at some point they wanted to adopt her and save her from her freerolling not very good parents who used to go missing for weeks, but it didn't happen and she ended up in the care of an industrial school instead!

calzino, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:46 (three months ago) link

christ, that's unfortunate.

here comes the hotstamper (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 6 October 2020 20:47 (three months ago) link

when I was talking to her earlier she says her brother (who died earlier this year of prostate cancer) who represented + organised of dozens industrial school survivors in taking their case against the Catholic church has left his archive of interviews and documents related to that casework to Sheffield University.

calzino, Tuesday, 6 October 2020 21:14 (three months ago) link

All this trolling of Bono on Twitter today is really unfair. He went through enough in Long Kesh. pic.twitter.com/jskRl4VBPH

— Patricia MacBride (@IRLPatricia) October 7, 2020

calzino, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 15:59 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

big shout out to the historically racist housing policies in islington council that have left a large enough irish population in my neighbourhood that sainsburys stocks barmbrack.

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 16:22 (two months ago) link

Plax I’m wildly jealous. N7? The oifig an phoist there was full of seandaoine the day I visited.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 18:40 (two months ago) link

lol just the angel sainsburys

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:19 (two months ago) link

how good is brack tho

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:19 (two months ago) link

no ring unfor

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:19 (two months ago) link

I don’t like brack tbh tbh but I’ve been to that angel many many times

However I will tell you I introduced the other half to purple snacks over lockdown and he’s a fan. Like so many things though, they’re not as nice as they used to be.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:26 (two months ago) link

tempted to try the shop in the irish centre a go someday soon

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:41 (two months ago) link

would love a purple snack, if you could get a purple snack

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:41 (two months ago) link

You can buy 3 6-packs on Amazon for £10, not great but cheaper than the last time I bought them at home.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:46 (two months ago) link

But I’ve wanted to go to that shop for ages, will you see if they have Polo biscuits? I really miss them.

liberté, égalité, scampé (gyac), Thursday, 29 October 2020 19:47 (two months ago) link

will report. i suspect its just cidona taytos and that ballymaloe stuff

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:27 (two months ago) link

find me somewhere in london that sells annascaul black pudding and i'll be really impressed

plax (ico), Thursday, 29 October 2020 20:27 (two months ago) link

Love this story

Priests have said they are upset by the "very hurtful criticism" of "mass-hoppers" who go from one online mass to another passing comments over their "performances".https://t.co/GqTjbDLIax

— Independent.ie (@Independent_ie) November 10, 2020



According to Fr Tim Hazelwood, a spokesman for the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP), which represents over 1,000 Irish priests, "mass-hoppers" are undermining many priests who are already self-conscious and are "not performers".


I’m not paying to read the rest of this article, but can imagine if it continues like this you’ll have a quote from a disappointed bishop saying “the parishioners would be very pass-remarkable nowadays.”

scampus fugit (gyac), Thursday, 12 November 2020 08:02 (two months ago) link

I heard there was a suggestion that Xmas be moved to late January to help combat Covid.
I was buying bread and this story came on the news on the radio while i was doing so.
So that's it then. Canceled Ester and all the oher parades this year.
Bah humbug

Stevolende, Thursday, 12 November 2020 09:16 (two months ago) link

masshoppers need not apply xp

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 November 2020 09:29 (two months ago) link

The thing is this is just the kind of stuff that goes on in a lot of households, but can’t imagine it’s much fun hearing the unfiltered verdict of a critical Irish granny.

scampus fugit (gyac), Thursday, 12 November 2020 09:46 (two months ago) link

It goes on in the church hall over a cup of tea ten minutes after communion.

Clean-up on ILX (onimo), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:44 (two months ago) link

I remember a local priest having a following. he was moved to my old parish when it came free upon the death of the old priest, he brought a following with him from the other parish, as in tens of people, and gave all the lay person roles like sacristan etc to members of this group. a lot of the locals didn't rate him, but some fell under his spell

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 November 2020 22:00 (two months ago) link

so many priest are fucking shit at saying mass. lots of nervous ones who can't hold eye contact

Politically homely (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 November 2020 22:00 (two months ago) link

The flashy ones are going to set up their own Padréon accounts.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 November 2020 00:37 (two months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I feel sick, I feel sick, we are in hell.

An MP stood in the House of Commons today and called a man that was shot dead in front of his wife and children “the IRAs solicitor of choice” and it hasn’t caused a ripple over there.

I still can’t get over it

— Seána (@GrantSana) November 30, 2020

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:24 (one month ago) link

Was chatting shit about the wrong fucking party as well, but hey, Paddies right

I'm not in Sinn Féin and I think what the government have done is a total disgrace. Do you think it's OK for a government to murder it's own citizens then refuse a proper inquiry into that murder @LordIanAustin ? https://t.co/M10M1MQ9ZN

— Colum Eastwood (@columeastwood) November 30, 2020

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:28 (one month ago) link

Lord Ian Austin. Horrible cunt.

ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:37 (one month ago) link

I think that the British establishment is moving away from being able to handle a topic like finucanes murder and the surrounding collusion at light speed tbh, the bloody Sunday apology feels like it's likely to be an anomaly in so many ways

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:53 (one month ago) link

Yes. Have tried not to think about it much all day because I might cry when I do

scampus fugit (gyac), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 00:57 (one month ago) link

fucking Baron Ian Austin makes Frank Field (who was good friends with Thatcher) seem like a moderate, a sickening little creep.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 08:36 (one month ago) link

As a QC who specialised in human rights issues, it’s very odd that the leader of the Opposition at Westminster, Keir Starmer, hasn’t said a word about the Govt’s failure to announce a public inquiry into the state’s illegal killing of a fellow human rights lawyer. Remarkable even

— Chris Hazzard (@ChrisHazzardSF) December 1, 2020

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 08:43 (one month ago) link

the diminutive dog-shagger Austin deleted his Finucane tweet, even some of horrible tory friends said he was trying a bit too hard.

calzino, Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:32 (one month ago) link

Has the man ever spoken for the nation so well?

Same. pic.twitter.com/987xdfc7G3

— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) December 2, 2020



Me too, Micheál, me too.

scampus fugit (gyac), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:29 (one month ago) link

sounds dope rly

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 15:48 (one month ago) link

He sounds sincere tbf

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:44 (one month ago) link

As sincere as I’ve ever seen him

scampus fugit (gyac), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 16:47 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Newgrange stream from 8.45 here

scampish inquisition (gyac), Monday, 21 December 2020 08:38 (one month ago) link

loved this

plax (ico), Monday, 21 December 2020 10:21 (one month ago) link

got a result this morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esAkRoqjKx4

Number None, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 11:46 (four weeks ago) link

I had an early meeting this morning so I’m sorry to have missed this one, but I’ve loved watching this week. It really makes you feel privileged to be able to witness it.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 11:55 (four weeks ago) link

I feel like Newgrange is somehow underrated? Like everyone knows about it, you learn about it in school, and it's just always...there. But when you go and stand in that chamber and feel the actual weight of history above you... It's magical

Number None, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 12:03 (four weeks ago) link

On the first stream, when they had a beautiful clear day and the sun was entering the chamber, they had a lovely shot of the “sun dagger” from above and your man said “when i see this, the word ‘immutable’ comes to mind, in other words we are touching the ancestors, and we are experiencing something that five thousand years ago was similarly experienced”.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Tuesday, 22 December 2020 12:48 (four weeks ago) link

But when you go and stand in that chamber and feel the actual weight of history above you... It's magical

The lack of development around it is great as well. When you go and stand on that hill and there isn't a major road in sight or a housing estate, or anything beyond a few farms, it's beautiful.

trishyb, Tuesday, 22 December 2020 14:17 (four weeks ago) link

three weeks pass...

Anne Rabbitte at it again, I see.

In April 2019, Rabbitte criticised plans to excavate the site of the former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home in Tuam, describing it as "a wilful waste of public money", and questioned if the intention was to dig up every cillín (burial ground for stillborn and unbaptized infants) in Ireland.


Rabbitte: "As a mother I wonder what sort of societal pressure I'd have to be under to turn my back on my children… society must be responsible for forcing the hands of these families… the circle of blame is vast"

— Gavan Reilly (@gavreilly) January 12, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 17:00 (one week ago) link

If RTÉ replaced the Angelus with a minute dedicated to someone who died in the M&BH, one day dedicated per each individual, that would be 25 years for the babies alone

— Suzie (@leninjapirate) January 12, 2021

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 14 January 2021 11:21 (one week ago) link

Fuck

Ole Blueyes Solskjaer (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 January 2021 11:26 (one week ago) link

Yep.

scampish inquisition (gyac), Thursday, 14 January 2021 11:26 (one week ago) link


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