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I am about as Irish as a Shamrock Shake, thanks to my Euromongrel background, but I have roots on both mom and dad's side and my family name derives from a town in County Kilkenny, so hey. Then there's our own Miss Kearney, of course. ;-) But above and beyond that and other folks like Ronan, there's the nation itself, where the list of Irish (and Anglo-Irish, true) artists in many fields runs on forever, regrettable interruptions like, say, Bono aside. So then -- a bunch of Guinness-soaked louts or a flowering of native Celtic genius that makes the English look like a passel of Hooray Henrys and who wisely escaped the UK's clutches to help make America the brilliant place it is?

Search: Flann O'Brien, Wilde of course, the Virgin Prunes, Father Ted.

Destroy: leprechauns, St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do bartenders in horrible phony Irish pubs in America ever draw anything in the head of a pulled pint of Guiness other than a shamrock? A pair of tits maybe.

Benjamin, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe you didn't mention Kevin Shields, Ned.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

He's afraid Alan Mc G Burger might jump on this thread.

nathalie, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out that I'm only a third Irish, you know. Hence the big ass. If I was 100% I wouldn't have that.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What Natalie said. Besides which, I thought by now I don't need to mention him, it's implicit. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

search: bad basement punk rock shows in dublin while on vacation where huge football thug dances around on stage before vomiting and passing out in the corner.

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

jess, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin Rowland once said the Irish were "unnecessarily zealoius, if becoming" which kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I have a bit of a zealous streak myself which I have to keep in check because it's a bit shit really, isn't it?

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Some Irish pple are nice, some Irish pple are not so nice.

jel, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Neil Jordan, Beckett, Thin Lizzy, foxy Colin Farrell (ok Joel Schumacher, we'll let you live), Undertones, the rugged coastline

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Brennan on the Moor, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

All the Irish pple I've met have been nice, lucky me.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

The Unicarn, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Irish soda bread is really good. If you mix Baileys with Kahlua, Amaretto and milk, you get a real solid drink.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mmm, toasted almond.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy: stinky Irish "cuisine". Thank god my mom's Italian, that's all I have to say...

Kerry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Celtic mythology. Oooh lord.

Lyra, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

U2, Guinness... um... hills and rain.

JM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ethan is a Mick. So I've heard. He's also whisky. POP SHOTS.

Greg, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The worst Irish export is that smug bastard on Top Gear. And the IRA.

DG, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm the best mick ever.

ethan, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Uniformed attire (i.e., white shirt, dark green or plaid skirts, etc.) of all the young women there...*whew* have mercy!

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

Joe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I spent a week in Ireland (2 days in Northern Ireland, the remainder in the Republic) six years ago, and it was fabulous. Rented a car in Belfast and drove all over the place, ending up in Dublin. Sunny for 4 days out of the 7, too, which the locals said made me very lucky.

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ah bejabers sure aren't we a grand aul bunch o praties?

DV, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it Shane Magowan, lifetime resident of North London (until recently, I think he has now moved to his spiritual home now) who said that then?

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

And it's quite a late night for me.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

humansuit, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:37 (twelve years ago) link

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:43 (twelve years ago) link

luke kelly.

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:45 (twelve years ago) link

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:43 (twelve years ago) link

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:45 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:51 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

darraghmac, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

burt_stanton, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

Laurel, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:43 (twelve years ago) link

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

darraghmac, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:40 (twelve years ago) link

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Ronan, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

I can report that portions continue to be small


Portions of what? This is literally something I’ve never thought about Ireland

glindr jackson (gyac), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 09:42 (one month ago) link

Don’t want to sound too cynical, but can anyone who’s seen British blue ticks talking about their Irish citizenship post anything they see about historical prosecutions? Can’t say it seems to have crossed any radars...

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 19 December 2019 09:14 (one month ago) link

Superb.

https://twitter.com/NoContextDunphy

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 19 December 2019 22:53 (one month ago) link

content

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 December 2019 22:59 (one month ago) link

The pinned tweet is classic, there’s so much Dunphy I wonder if I imagined

pic.twitter.com/KtSRf2WtI8

— No Context Eamon Dunphy (@NoContextDunphy) November 6, 2019

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 19 December 2019 23:03 (one month ago) link

see, if you were listening to yr second captains football podcast youd hear it in the intro twice a week

(they do social/political stuff every now and then fyi, not to a great degree or anything tho)

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 December 2019 23:36 (one month ago) link

You are literally the third person to recommend this to me in the last ten minutes!

glindr jackson (gyac), Friday, 20 December 2019 00:02 (one month ago) link

we cant all be wrong

Richie sadlier will be president of ireland some day, mark my words.

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Friday, 20 December 2019 00:04 (one month ago) link

it's a good podcast

gbx, Friday, 20 December 2019 00:08 (one month ago) link

I think probably most of us have seen this already, but for those who haven’t:

This letter in today’s ⁦@IrishTimeshttps://t.co/wqR6Bi1kSz pic.twitter.com/XWfvYE34BG

— Hugh Linehan (@hlinehan) December 21, 2019

glindr jackson (gyac), Monday, 23 December 2019 21:42 (one month ago) link

‘Irish Traveller Family’, Killorglin, County Kerry, Ireland, 1954 a fascinating Kodachrome by Inge Morath. I love this photo. pic.twitter.com/RyiENzbgb9

— Davenant (@SirWilliamD) December 23, 2019

this Inge Morath pic is incredible. That it is a 20th century social history pic full of rich detail that is unmistakably from a long gone era and also looks like it could have been taken only yesterday - is just one of its many qualities.

calzino, Monday, 23 December 2019 21:57 (one month ago) link

Thanks to both of you there - that letter is amazing, and so is the photo - my mother would have been 9 at the time.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 December 2019 22:41 (one month ago) link

There was a follow up to the letter: nb, it’s tough reading

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/mother-grieving-loss-of-all-three-children-says-there-is-too-much-space-around-me-now-1.4122965

glindr jackson (gyac), Monday, 23 December 2019 23:16 (one month ago) link

I see Liveline has spoken for the nation. Wtf is number 10?


Your high points of the last decade!! ⁦@RTENewsNow⁩ ⁦@rteliveline⁩ ⁦@rtenewspic.twitter.com/dGyRUp4xPF

— JOE DUFFY (@joeliveline) December 23, 2019

glindr jackson (gyac), Monday, 23 December 2019 23:23 (one month ago) link

"closure of head shops" not especially conducive to highs I would have thought

britain's secret sauce (seandalai), Tuesday, 24 December 2019 00:16 (one month ago) link

Despite heavy rain, the wrenboys were out in force in Dingle collecting for charity.

The west Kerry town is one of the last strongholds of the St Stephen's Day tradition that is believed to have pagan origins | Read more: https://t.co/dwWItCbqYD pic.twitter.com/wA4RFoprYv

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) December 26, 2019



Happy St Stephens Day!

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 26 December 2019 23:19 (one month ago) link

So, this is when that Wenceslas dude did all that looking out at the snow, eh?

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 26 December 2019 23:46 (one month ago) link

Byrne aged quickly, like many Irishmen.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:42 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

:(

Soup on my lanyard (Tom D.), Friday, 27 December 2019 12:36 (one month ago) link

I went from top pretty boy to getting stopped for police line-ups between the ages of 17 to 22. This is definitely a thing!

calzino, Friday, 27 December 2019 12:45 (one month ago) link

hmph its prettier i get

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Friday, 27 December 2019 12:57 (one month ago) link

Depends very much on yr genes & lifestyle same as anyone else, there’s lots of variation in my own family

glindr jackson (gyac), Friday, 27 December 2019 13:56 (one month ago) link

Is aoibhinn libh é a fheiceáil
https://i.postimg.cc/6QC2VWSd/D32-E87-DC-8068-42-A1-968-D-5-BC90-E0-A7661.jpg

glindr jackson (gyac), Tuesday, 31 December 2019 13:49 (three weeks ago) link

Come Out Ye Black n Tans No. 1 in Ireland, No. 3 in Britain ... Fine Gael got their answer .... https://t.co/3rOa8XiyEN

— The Wolfe Tones 🇮🇪 (@wolfetones) January 9, 2020

this was retweeted by my main homey RLB. I always remember the Wolfe Tones - Rifles of the IRA album hidden at the back of the record shelf, like it might be illegal to own it!

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:18 (two weeks ago) link

Did RLB really retweet thT It’s not on her TL

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:21 (two weeks ago) link

oh no it's someone using a play on her name, forget it.

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:24 (two weeks ago) link

these bloody twitterers and their hilarious spoonerisms!

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:25 (two weeks ago) link

Ten years ago: man slips on ice in Dublin. More with @rtearchives https://t.co/96jTx8I501

— RTÉ (@rte) January 8, 2020

extremely gone at RTÉ doing this

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:29 (two weeks ago) link

have you not seen the plaque!

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 14:47 (two weeks ago) link

a terrible shame that an American company had to be the one to do it

Number None, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:03 (two weeks ago) link

have you not seen the plaque!

Are you joking? Please be serious. Where is it?!?!

glindr jackson (gyac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:18 (two weeks ago) link

this was retweeted by my main homey RLB. I always remember the Wolfe Tones - Rifles of the IRA album hidden at the back of the record shelf, like it might be illegal to own

That 'Let the People Sing' album is a common sight in charity shops in Glasgow - or was.

Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:33 (two weeks ago) link

Are you joking? Please be serious. Where is it?!?!

it's some 'viral marketing' courtesy of Coors Light

Number None, Thursday, 9 January 2020 15:46 (two weeks ago) link

https://images.app.goo.gl/TGYVgZiV6QkGpbhp7

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 16:00 (two weeks ago) link

Rifles of the I.R.A. is the fourth album by Irish folk and rebel band The Wolfe Tones.

The cover shows the band members dressed in the traditional dress of the IRA. The folk singer Christy Moore said of the cover, "I equate that particular record sleeve with Foster and Allen, dressed up as leprechauns. It was the very same thing. It had the same significance at the time.

C Moore wasn't impressed with that album cover

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 16:15 (two weeks ago) link

it is quite comical. as are the tones tbh - not that i don't know half their catalogue

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:06 (two weeks ago) link

The Wolfe Tones are playing in a pub near me in upstate NY. Should I go see them?

I found a bunch of their records in the bookshop of one of the local libraries a few years ago.

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

bloody hell ...they still get about a bit! I can't remember much about their sound tbh.

calzino, Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

Room for a Mighty Mighty Bosstones collaboration while they're in the States

The Masked Zinger (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

my wife saw them play at a midtown pub a few years ago (dragged by a friend, she had no idea what to expect) and said it was a good show but also a little alarming in its political fervor.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:37 (thirteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

like, if that sounds like yr bag.

twouldnt be mine

Banáná hÉireann (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 January 2020 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

I see Come Out Ye Black and Tans is supposedly number one here too now? Diaspora i assume, confirms the most obvious Eurovision theory of them all.

This poster doesn’t hold back!

Anti-recruitment poster in Enniscorthy (c. 1909): "Join the Army. Sell your souls, your country, and your God for the Saxon shilling. Join England's hireling murderers. Go to India, to murder women and children and shoot down men who are fighting for liberty." https://t.co/RdV1T0o94x

— Liam Hogan (@Limerick1914) January 7, 2020



This poster featured heavily in Unionist political literature after a copy was reproduced by the Union Defence League ('Irish Facts' Vol. III) for propaganda purposes. pic.twitter.com/PVt9dDcsgG

— Liam Hogan (@Limerick1914) January 7, 2020

glindr jackson (gyac), Friday, 10 January 2020 09:40 (two weeks ago) link

My great granddad was one of them Irish sellouts for the Saxon shilling! He got quite badly disabled at Gallipoli and was lucky to survive because the ambulance ship that rescued him was taking sniper bullets or something. My historian minded uncle who has the full story is currently dying of prostate cancer and the NHS can't operate on him because his kidneys are gone, but I'm it was a good story iirc but i just can't remember most of it.

calzino, Friday, 10 January 2020 09:57 (two weeks ago) link

Maybe we can get #ComeOutYeBlackAndTans to number 1 in China too. pic.twitter.com/4Cj5fUViLU

— Des Bishop 毕瀚生 (@Desbishop) January 9, 2020

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 January 2020 13:54 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0114/1107299-election-announcement-tracker/


Ádh mór dúinn

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 11:22 (one week ago) link

Ireland's rail network, 100 years ago vs now. Seriously. pic.twitter.com/8bO8p7dFfG

— Dr Shaun O'Boyle 🏳️‍🌈 (@shaunoboyle) January 22, 2020

looks even worse than what the Beeching Cuts did to the UK.

calzino, Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:21 (four days ago) link

That’s hardly the worst thing about it

https://youtu.be/SW-tdaO2s9o

steer karma (gyac), Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:23 (four days ago) link

the mid 20th century rolling stock with asbestos lined ceilings at least had comfy chairs with enough knee-space for anyone over five ft tall. Although that won't save you from an insufferable Gleeson clone! How did that crap how so many credits at the end?

calzino, Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:45 (four days ago) link

That wasn’t a Gleeson clone, that’s him!

steer karma (gyac), Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:47 (four days ago) link

it just goes to show, never give up hope - keep chasing those dreams!

calzino, Thursday, 23 January 2020 14:55 (four days ago) link


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