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I am about as Irish as a Shamrock Shake, thanks to my Euromongrel background, but I have roots on both mom and dad's side and my family name derives from a town in County Kilkenny, so hey. Then there's our own Miss Kearney, of course. ;-) But above and beyond that and other folks like Ronan, there's the nation itself, where the list of Irish (and Anglo-Irish, true) artists in many fields runs on forever, regrettable interruptions like, say, Bono aside. So then -- a bunch of Guinness-soaked louts or a flowering of native Celtic genius that makes the English look like a passel of Hooray Henrys and who wisely escaped the UK's clutches to help make America the brilliant place it is?

Search: Flann O'Brien, Wilde of course, the Virgin Prunes, Father Ted.

Destroy: leprechauns, St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do bartenders in horrible phony Irish pubs in America ever draw anything in the head of a pulled pint of Guiness other than a shamrock? A pair of tits maybe.

Benjamin, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe you didn't mention Kevin Shields, Ned.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

He's afraid Alan Mc G Burger might jump on this thread.

nathalie, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out that I'm only a third Irish, you know. Hence the big ass. If I was 100% I wouldn't have that.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What Natalie said. Besides which, I thought by now I don't need to mention him, it's implicit. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

search: bad basement punk rock shows in dublin while on vacation where huge football thug dances around on stage before vomiting and passing out in the corner.

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

jess, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin Rowland once said the Irish were "unnecessarily zealoius, if becoming" which kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I have a bit of a zealous streak myself which I have to keep in check because it's a bit shit really, isn't it?

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Some Irish pple are nice, some Irish pple are not so nice.

jel, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Neil Jordan, Beckett, Thin Lizzy, foxy Colin Farrell (ok Joel Schumacher, we'll let you live), Undertones, the rugged coastline

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Brennan on the Moor, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

All the Irish pple I've met have been nice, lucky me.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

The Unicarn, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Irish soda bread is really good. If you mix Baileys with Kahlua, Amaretto and milk, you get a real solid drink.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mmm, toasted almond.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy: stinky Irish "cuisine". Thank god my mom's Italian, that's all I have to say...

Kerry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Celtic mythology. Oooh lord.

Lyra, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

U2, Guinness... um... hills and rain.

JM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ethan is a Mick. So I've heard. He's also whisky. POP SHOTS.

Greg, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The worst Irish export is that smug bastard on Top Gear. And the IRA.

DG, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm the best mick ever.

ethan, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Uniformed attire (i.e., white shirt, dark green or plaid skirts, etc.) of all the young women there...*whew* have mercy!

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

Joe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I spent a week in Ireland (2 days in Northern Ireland, the remainder in the Republic) six years ago, and it was fabulous. Rented a car in Belfast and drove all over the place, ending up in Dublin. Sunny for 4 days out of the 7, too, which the locals said made me very lucky.

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ah bejabers sure aren't we a grand aul bunch o praties?

DV, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it Shane Magowan, lifetime resident of North London (until recently, I think he has now moved to his spiritual home now) who said that then?

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

And it's quite a late night for me.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

humansuit, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:37 (twelve years ago) link

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:43 (twelve years ago) link

luke kelly.

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:45 (twelve years ago) link

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:43 (twelve years ago) link

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:45 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:51 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

darraghmac, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

burt_stanton, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:38 (eleven years ago) link

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

Laurel, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:43 (eleven years ago) link

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

darraghmac, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:40 (eleven years ago) link

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Ronan, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:46 (eleven years ago) link

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:49 (eleven years ago) link

is sharivari the other rubberbandit

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:13 (one week ago) link

No but he did inspire the song Dads Best Friend

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 18:14 (one week ago) link

Lol “Dutch”
https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/iwktxh702ep0uwue

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:12 (one week ago) link

https://cdn.webshopapp.com/shops/57105/files/65235074/wit-brood-half.jpg

Coming right up! :-D

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:30 (one week ago) link

Knowing nothing about your origin or native tongue, you sound like either a Chinese or Arabic woman speaking Dutch :)

Got you the first time though, something I can't say about many minority language peers and peeps I frequently meet who try it on. Heel goed!

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:31 (one week ago) link

I learned how to say 'Is tú mo ghrá' when I was sitting in Deems' garden on a sweet pre-hurling finale evening in Baile Áth Cliath for an English lover of Irish descent, but no way I'm recording that.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:35 (one week ago) link

lol jfc
https://www.speakpipe.com/voice-recorder/msg/ry9bnelv2ucl4z0v
I’m never speaking again

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:36 (one week ago) link

From where I'm standing both LBI's Irish and gyac's Dutch sound impeccable. ;)

pomenitul, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:36 (one week ago) link

Currently sitting in front of the TV watching Ronan Curtis and Callum O’Dowda launch shots in the very approximate direction of a Bulgarian goalkeeper so I struggle to believe my commitment to Irish culture is being questioned atm.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:42 (one week ago) link

you can’t pronounce madra and siopa correctly, stop embarrassing yourself please

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:43 (one week ago) link

The language of *BEEP* is universal :) I've no idea what you said there Gyac, if it wasn't a string of words instead of a sentence (caught a few mentioned here!).

What is (what sounds like) 'na-kórgia'?

xp lol SV

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:44 (one week ago) link

na cáirde = the friends

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:44 (one week ago) link

lol sv im watchin england

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:56 (one week ago) link

i'm watching a documentary about the Hittites, ftw

a wagon to the curious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:57 (one week ago) link

xp i mean lolololololz obv

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 19:58 (one week ago) link

thank you brave people with your sound clips!

I don't have any specific requests, still conceptually/anatomically troubled by https://irishpalatals.sites.ucsc.edu/getting-started/introduction/ though

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:14 (one week ago) link

i think it would be lovely to understand any of that but otoh theres a lot to be said for listening to a bit of it too, imitation is often smarter than learning or, as we'd say ourselves nura mbíonn aon ann agat ach pucín gabhair cur i lar an bpairce leis

which is a rough effort at something a roscommon man of my close acquaintance says at random times, roughly phonetically equates to nurameen ayn on oggot ak pukeen gower curry lower an parka lesh

i have no fuckin idea what it means, something about a mediocre goat i think

ok thats 101

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:25 (one week ago) link

I had a teacher who said “ann” to rhyme with crown, but she was from Cork. But yeah unless you mislearn Irish for your whole childhood idk where you would start as an adult.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:28 (one week ago) link

just listening i think.

the most i ever picked up was genuinely from the likes of gift grub, something i found funny that more dropped snippets in that were tantalisingly close to comprehensible and obviously worth chasing for meaning.

after that its again snippets like the saying above or what an aul fella might drop into conversation down home where you like the roll of it or whatever.

id have to learn the grammar basics again, the vocab would come but id never fear the pronunciation at all tbh, its almost entirely interpretive as far as i can tell from the many moves growing up

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:32 (one week ago) link

see I’m the opposite, but that’s not really surprising I guess cos you probably grew up with more exposure to the language in daily life than me? I’d be fine with verbs and grammar but if you asked me to read something out unprepared or formulate a sentence or argument in my head, I’d get totally tongue tied. It’s really strange because I sort of did mini immersion while I was studying for the oral and I would dream in Irish, my thoughts would be in it too, and it sounded like music in my thoughts and from my mouth and yet, and yet, and yet. I never had this trouble with french ffs.

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:36 (one week ago) link

listening is good in theory but everyone speaks too fast! I guess there's probably something simple and slowable on the internet

(flashbacks to weddings/funerals where I'm clutching the order of service and looking for vaguely similar words in a line of a call&response prayer half a page above the one everyone else is actually reading out, hoping any nearby old ladies aren't outraged that I'm not even opening my mouth)

dmac I have no idea what that means and still less after asking Google Translate but I am all for sayings involving goats

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:40 (one week ago) link

this is me ever since they changed mass & idk what the fuck is happening anymore

gyac, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:52 (one week ago) link

never really immersed tbh, theres a few spots on the island but never any of mine.

aps that aspirationally translates to "if all you have is a scrawny goat, put it in the middle of the market"

he never told me what it meant but it danced when he said it which i feel is the main thing

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 21:55 (one week ago) link

am going to be on islay in a couple weeks, might get to hear some goidelic vocables

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 23:03 (one week ago) link

can someone who knows a bit more about it fill me in on one aspect of the emma de souza case? No article I've read mentions the reasons why the home office is pursuing this in court. A few have mentioned "brexit" but I'm not really following the logic. It seems to have something about asserting domestic law over allowing say the ECJ to have jurisdiction over half the population and therefore over NI? Is this correct?

plax (ico), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:37 (one week ago) link

emma de souza case bit confusing to me but the reason the home office is pursuing it in court is because ... they don't like immigration and people appealing immigration decisions in court?

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 21:49 (one week ago) link

i think its a basic split motivation between the ECJ jurisdiction argument and a simple rejection of the "self identification" of nationality

presumably the underlying driver boils down to "call yourself what you like but NI is british"

theRZA the JZA and the NDB (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:01 (one week ago) link

Emma de Souza is an Irish citizen from NI who has never held British citizenship. On this basis, her status as an EU citizen means she can have her (non-EU) husband live with her in NI. However the home office considers her a British citizen, even though this contravenes the provisions in the GFA for all people from NI to be Irish, British, or both. At least that’s how I understand it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/derry-woman-is-british-until-she-renounces-citizenship-tribunal-told-1.4013861

gyac, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:05 (one week ago) link

the brits consider someone born in the NI automatically british unless they renounce their citizenship it seems

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:06 (one week ago) link

Even if they do not consider themselves British or even to have held said citizenship.

gyac, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:08 (one week ago) link

wonder if after brexit an irish citizen from NI would even be able to sponsor a spouse to live in NI.

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:15 (one week ago) link

i can basically never move back to the uk on the basis of being in a ltr - soon to be a marriage - with a non-eu citizen and being broke as fuck so I'm definitely sympathetic to this case, hope it works out for them

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:17 (one week ago) link

if this upcoming second marriage of mine fails like the last one I'm high-tailing it home before i can fall in love with another canadian

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:18 (one week ago) link

Seems wise

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 12 September 2019 00:25 (one week ago) link

okay thanks for (sorta) clarification. You're kindof saying what I understood the case to be, its just weird to me that the Home Office have such latitude to take an action so aggressively undermining of the GFA. At least when number 10 does it there's an impetus that kindof makes sense. This seems way off the leash, but then comments by the migration minister (!) sortof show that this is a p uncontroversial within central government. Anyway, well done this lady.

plax (ico), Thursday, 12 September 2019 05:31 (one week ago) link

She has won three cases against the home office so far iirc.

I assume the home office does act within the remit of no 10’s knowledge though? Notable that the challenges have been going on for four years and that Theresa May would have been the Home Secretary signing off on the initial one.

It’s a fucking awful case


The legal wrangle is now entering it’s fourth year. For the first two years, we lost our Freedom of Movement. The UK Home Office retained Jake’s passport with no legislative authority or policy to do-so. With these restrictions, Jake was unable to leave the country and had to turn down opportunities for work. The highest price, however, was losing the last two years of his grandmother’s life. Every request to see Jake’s grandmother in her progressively deteriorating condition was denied. When she passed away at home in Los Angeles, Jake’s request to attend the funeral was denied. It was only after increased media pressure that the Home Office eventually relented- couriering Jake’s passport back to us and allowing him a belated farewell to his late grandmother; a bitter-sweet farewell mired by remorse for not having been afforded an opportunity to say goodbye.

gyac, Thursday, 12 September 2019 06:28 (one week ago) link

And this too:

Most troubling though is that our experience is not unique, but rather a window into a much deeper and wider issue occurring across our society. The reality being felt by myself and many in our community is that there is a price on Irish identity. A personal price that leaves many questioning what our identity is truly worth. A process referred to as Renunciation of British Citizenship is offered by the UK Home Office as a solution, but what does it really entail?

Firstly, the form is a legal document that begins with a declaration; “I am a British citizen”

It also requires substantial evidence to prove you have British citizenship. Birth in Northern Ireland constitutes automatic British citizenship for those seeking to realize their EU rights. For those renouncing, it is considered insufficient evidence of British citizenship. Considering that many individuals choosing this route do not consider themselves British in the first place, it can be an emotionally arduous process.

In addition, the process also costs £372!! No small fee for renouncing a citizenship which under the GFA should be entirely optional. There should be no levy on an Irish person to be recognised as Irish to live on our island! Anyone taking this route will also lose Freedom of Movement for up to 6 months while the Home Office processes your application.

Then there’s the uncertainty; nobody knows what the ramifications of renouncing are. In a recent case, the Home Office went so far as to question the residency rights of a citizen who had renounced their British citizenship. There is a very real possibility that going forward, anyone else choosing to renounce may be exposed to further impedance of their right to remain in their home. There’s also concern about the rights of the wider family as a whole, and the effect renouncing may have on them.

gyac, Thursday, 12 September 2019 06:31 (one week ago) link

On the train back from Cork and looking forward to this person getting on to find their reserved seat. pic.twitter.com/hsX4LxPcp5

— Conor Wilson (@ConorWilson) September 16, 2019


What a country.

gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 12:52 (four days ago) link

:D

a wagging to the furious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 12:53 (four days ago) link

I think I know him.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 12:54 (four days ago) link

Lmao

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 12:55 (four days ago) link

if his first name's Daniel i definitely know the cunt

a wagging to the furious (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 12:57 (four days ago) link

thank you to my friends for booking my train seat pic.twitter.com/ZG3UAxmuYN

— 𝕭𝖚𝖈𝕶𝖋𝖆𝖘𝖙 𝕾𝖔𝖈𝖎𝖆𝖑𝖎𝖘𝖙 (@dgahk) September 16, 2019

gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:04 (four days ago) link

hilarious guys

ye might quit tittering at the back there and realise that this is very common in my country, to allocate a secondary family name across the surname to differentiate from other cadet branches of a clan who may be particularly thickly laid out in any given area

in kerry youd get a differentiating string of grandparent names, so that a thos. o'sullivan would be known locally as tommy-paddy-mary, no surname required at all

midwest there's nothing unusual about hearing an entire unit as the rowty-kilbanes or the pheggy-kilbanes

its the latter usage here, and all youre seeing is the truncated identification utilising an honoured tradition, most likely its just john o'donnell, of the useless cunt o'donnells, postman would know him as johnny useless cunt and the barman/undertaker wouldnt know him at all unless you asked for john-mhaire-tim-bán.

the taxman has never heard of him

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:08 (four days ago) link

Otm. This is why we’ve never needed postcodes!

gyac, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:11 (four days ago) link

sher if we'd a had postcodes the brits woulda found us

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 13:12 (four days ago) link

Countries very much in character

The Hail Mary has been voted Ireland's favourite prayer at the National Ploughing Championships https://t.co/QrlsCurn2Z

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) September 19, 2019

gyac, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:28 (two days ago) link

confiteor topped the sight and sound poll but you can't put the culture into culchie

provisional ilx (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 September 2019 18:28 (two days ago) link

(xp) Came here to post that!

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Friday, 20 September 2019 07:10 (yesterday) link

I can understand the logic - it’s the fastest & even more so in Irish

gyac, Friday, 20 September 2019 08:09 (yesterday) link


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