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I am about as Irish as a Shamrock Shake, thanks to my Euromongrel background, but I have roots on both mom and dad's side and my family name derives from a town in County Kilkenny, so hey. Then there's our own Miss Kearney, of course. ;-) But above and beyond that and other folks like Ronan, there's the nation itself, where the list of Irish (and Anglo-Irish, true) artists in many fields runs on forever, regrettable interruptions like, say, Bono aside. So then -- a bunch of Guinness-soaked louts or a flowering of native Celtic genius that makes the English look like a passel of Hooray Henrys and who wisely escaped the UK's clutches to help make America the brilliant place it is?

Search: Flann O'Brien, Wilde of course, the Virgin Prunes, Father Ted.

Destroy: leprechauns, St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Do bartenders in horrible phony Irish pubs in America ever draw anything in the head of a pulled pint of Guiness other than a shamrock? A pair of tits maybe.

Benjamin, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I can't believe you didn't mention Kevin Shields, Ned.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

He's afraid Alan Mc G Burger might jump on this thread.

nathalie, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'd like to point out that I'm only a third Irish, you know. Hence the big ass. If I was 100% I wouldn't have that.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What Natalie said. Besides which, I thought by now I don't need to mention him, it's implicit. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

search: bad basement punk rock shows in dublin while on vacation where huge football thug dances around on stage before vomiting and passing out in the corner.

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

jess, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Kevin Rowland once said the Irish were "unnecessarily zealoius, if becoming" which kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I have a bit of a zealous streak myself which I have to keep in check because it's a bit shit really, isn't it?

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Some Irish pple are nice, some Irish pple are not so nice.

jel, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Search: Neil Jordan, Beckett, Thin Lizzy, foxy Colin Farrell (ok Joel Schumacher, we'll let you live), Undertones, the rugged coastline

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Brennan on the Moor, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

All the Irish pple I've met have been nice, lucky me.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

The Unicarn, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Irish soda bread is really good. If you mix Baileys with Kahlua, Amaretto and milk, you get a real solid drink.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Mmm, toasted almond.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Destroy: stinky Irish "cuisine". Thank god my mom's Italian, that's all I have to say...

Kerry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Search: Celtic mythology. Oooh lord.

Lyra, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

U2, Guinness... um... hills and rain.

JM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Ethan is a Mick. So I've heard. He's also whisky. POP SHOTS.

Greg, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

The worst Irish export is that smug bastard on Top Gear. And the IRA.

DG, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

i'm the best mick ever.

ethan, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Search: Uniformed attire (i.e., white shirt, dark green or plaid skirts, etc.) of all the young women there...*whew* have mercy!

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

Joe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I spent a week in Ireland (2 days in Northern Ireland, the remainder in the Republic) six years ago, and it was fabulous. Rented a car in Belfast and drove all over the place, ending up in Dublin. Sunny for 4 days out of the 7, too, which the locals said made me very lucky.

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

ah bejabers sure aren't we a grand aul bunch o praties?

DV, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Was it Shane Magowan, lifetime resident of North London (until recently, I think he has now moved to his spiritual home now) who said that then?

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

five years pass...

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And it's quite a late night for me.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

humansuit, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 01:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

luke kelly.

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 10:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 11:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

darraghmac, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

burt_stanton, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

Laurel, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

darraghmac, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:40 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Ronan, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I only ever encountered them visiting relatives in the Midlands

Number None, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:16 (one month ago) Permalink

xp FAP Irish edition imo

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:16 (one month ago) Permalink

Well, I am from the midlands (which everyone here tells me I mispronounce!) so...

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:17 (one month ago) Permalink

ive been lobbying long for it

i dont get into as many fights irl fyallsi

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:17 (one month ago) Permalink

xp people who prefer Edinburgh are bloodless Lowland Scots and/or Tories, y/n?

Well, Glasgow is in the Lowlands and when I think of the Lowlands I think of Ayrshire, which is more bloodthirsty or blood-soaked than bloodless.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:17 (one month ago) Permalink

they used to go to "the lake" on sunny days

how I pitied them

Number None, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:19 (one month ago) Permalink

never got mistaken for being on the wrong side of the border though I bet...

xp yeah fair enough, just quoting a (self hating) friend of mine from Edinburgh who always complains about being a lowland Scot

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:20 (one month ago) Permalink

edinburgh is for english people, posh students (often english), tourists staying in airbnbs so the rents are horrendous, and the poor scottish people who happen to be from edinburgh.

glasgow is for the world

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:21 (one month ago) Permalink

OTM.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:25 (one month ago) Permalink

curious about a compare/contrast between Americans, the English, and, say, Germans visiting Ireland.

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:27 (one month ago) Permalink

give ireland back to the irish i always say

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Funny you should say that but when I was last in Ireland it was full of Americans, the English, and Germans.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

Every in Europe is full of Americans, the English, and Germans though.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

English visiting Ireland:

THESE ROTTEN ENGLISH TOURISTS JUST ROARED ABUSE AT US THEN THREW A PIGEON’S HEAD AT US!!! WHAT THE FUCK ! pic.twitter.com/iyEhfLacwB

— d3rb (@bitnch) September 22, 2018

French visiting Ireland: https://youtu.be/Mxl0UmXi8a0

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:40 (one month ago) Permalink

prefer edinburgh but then we holiday v upper middle

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Ok the gentleman with the bad trousers and bad attitude make sense but you're going to have to explain every aspect of that butter commercial xp

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:45 (one month ago) Permalink

that was as explicit as sex on irish tv got til oh imma say miley ridin the babysitter in the woolly jumper

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 20:51 (one month ago) Permalink

The aul one is not his mother but is giving off that kind of energy so I want to say his dead wife’s mother who lives with them? The horse belonged to his dead wife. As deems says, the French woman is in there and the son doesn’t quite get what’s going on.

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:02 (one month ago) Permalink

when she says "you cook like a frenchman" she means he is cooking the horse for dinner, this is my truth tell me yours

mark s, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:08 (one month ago) Permalink

There is a lot going on.

A lot of classic Irish adverts have an underlying theme of people either leaving or revisiting an idyllic home life in towns and villages that are too small to keep you - remembering the local pub when you’re on the other side of the world, flying home to family at Christmas, etc. The strong implication here is that yr man is preparing to tell the family they are moving to France with his fancy woman. The kids have already kind of worked it out and mammy / dead wife’s mother, who won’t come out and say anything, is kind of passive-aggressively communicating that she knows something is up and doesn’t like where it is heading. You have that resistance to change and familial division (and foreigners tbh) butting up against its inevitably.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:09 (one month ago) Permalink

I believe that is a semi obtuse last tango in Paris reference, nobody is eating the horse for fear of the death glare of his mother in law

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:10 (one month ago) Permalink

ty for tansplaining, aul one is not his own mammy cos he calls her Mrs Mack, but in the style of rural farming families she would have lived with the married couple

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:12 (one month ago) Permalink

referencing last tango in paris in a butter advert is next level

mark s, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:14 (one month ago) Permalink

with the wife dead a woman has been told off from the village matrons to ensure the men dont starve or fester

shes mainly fucked off because yerman makes his own sauce, and a fancy one at that

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:34 (one month ago) Permalink

look theres a lot going on were not a great ppl for the exposition

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Is the point not that your man can fulfil his basic shelter and food needs and French woman can fulfil his other needs

Meanwhile mammy in law doesn’t want to live in France/a home & she saw glenroe with Miley and Fidelma last night so she knows what’s going on

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:38 (one month ago) Permalink

these foreign biddies were always at it. Nothing could sate their lust for our finest butter and menfolk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOLus5AFqTE

Number None, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:38 (one month ago) Permalink

I mean, the men too.
https://youtu.be/aSkQij6lGJ4

I’d say the spuds weren’t the only thing he was buttering.

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:42 (one month ago) Permalink

the sod is classic

i mean im not the man to ask but the kerrygold ppl rly distrust/dislike the rural irish mammy its a theme

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:46 (one month ago) Permalink

lads are we back to the classic thread abt irish adverts

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:47 (one month ago) Permalink

there was a thread?!

gyac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:48 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah but I believe all the youtubes are dead

Number None, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Strong implication that the mammy in 'Andre' might get a crack whoever the young wan doesn't want, I'd say.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:05 (one month ago) Permalink

The matching 1% don't knows in those graphs might be post-GFA "well I know I've been to a border county, and we did go out in the car..."

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:07 (one month ago) Permalink

gbx should visit with jjj imo

― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, April 3, 2019 1:16 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a good idea, i approve of it

gbx, Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:30 (one month ago) Permalink

why r ye redoing my classic thread here? get ye're own ideas jeez

plax (ico), Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:37 (one month ago) Permalink

In Ireland we have nostalgic ads

its p easy to search

plax (ico), Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:37 (one month ago) Permalink

fp for anyone who mentions sally o'brien here

plax (ico), Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:38 (one month ago) Permalink

also pretty easy to look down ILE & see that thread was posted to last night after this discussion moved there!

gyac, Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:43 (one month ago) Permalink

don't try and shift the guilt

plax (ico), Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:45 (one month ago) Permalink

if you can't be nostalgic for the nostalgic ads thread then I don't even know...

Number None, Thursday, 4 April 2019 06:28 (one month ago) Permalink

well for him in london and tellin all paddy what to do

lookit now buck you have a nice brexit now and you dont be mindin us over here or what we do be at gullad

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 April 2019 07:35 (one month ago) Permalink

whoah! The Great Irish Famine is the next ep of In Our Time in 20 mins.

calzino, Thursday, 4 April 2019 07:38 (one month ago) Permalink

a little light listening hey

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Thursday, 4 April 2019 07:53 (one month ago) Permalink

In Our Time, putting the Great back into the Great Irish Famine.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Thursday, 4 April 2019 08:28 (one month ago) Permalink

the great set of tory lads in Westminster doing a cracking job of aiding the famine shocker!

calzino, Thursday, 4 April 2019 08:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Famines very much in character - it was a feature, not a bug. They’re all still obsessed with the Corn Laws to this day.

gyac, Thursday, 4 April 2019 08:54 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Oh cool!

No words needed pic.twitter.com/InDTeHiW1t

— James McClean (@JamesMcC_14) May 1, 2019

gyac, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

UK looking for a new Defence Secretary.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:59 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've begun reading last year's Man Booker winner Milkman, still at the very beginning but it already paints a stark and complicated picture of the people of a certain time and place

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink


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