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I am about as Irish as a Shamrock Shake, thanks to my Euromongrel background, but I have roots on both mom and dad's side and my family name derives from a town in County Kilkenny, so hey. Then there's our own Miss Kearney, of course. ;-) But above and beyond that and other folks like Ronan, there's the nation itself, where the list of Irish (and Anglo-Irish, true) artists in many fields runs on forever, regrettable interruptions like, say, Bono aside. So then -- a bunch of Guinness-soaked louts or a flowering of native Celtic genius that makes the English look like a passel of Hooray Henrys and who wisely escaped the UK's clutches to help make America the brilliant place it is?

Search: Flann O'Brien, Wilde of course, the Virgin Prunes, Father Ted.

Destroy: leprechauns, St. Patrick's Day-related idiocies in America.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do bartenders in horrible phony Irish pubs in America ever draw anything in the head of a pulled pint of Guiness other than a shamrock? A pair of tits maybe.

Benjamin, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe you didn't mention Kevin Shields, Ned.

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

He's afraid Alan Mc G Burger might jump on this thread.

nathalie, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to point out that I'm only a third Irish, you know. Hence the big ass. If I was 100% I wouldn't have that.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

What Natalie said. Besides which, I thought by now I don't need to mention him, it's implicit. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

search: bad basement punk rock shows in dublin while on vacation where huge football thug dances around on stage before vomiting and passing out in the corner.

destroy: the current amurrican hard on for all things irish.

jess, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Kevin Rowland once said the Irish were "unnecessarily zealoius, if becoming" which kinda hit the nail on the head for me. I have a bit of a zealous streak myself which I have to keep in check because it's a bit shit really, isn't it?

"Father Ted" was a load of arse-juice but the "D'unbelievables"...

Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Some Irish pple are nice, some Irish pple are not so nice.

jel, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Neil Jordan, Beckett, Thin Lizzy, foxy Colin Farrell (ok Joel Schumacher, we'll let you live), Undertones, the rugged coastline

Destroy: What Ned said about St. Paddy's in the USA, my ridiculous "Kiss Me I'm Irish" relatives: stop the Erin Go Bragh insanity please!, the Cranberries, Hothouse Flowers, the Troubles (wouldn't that be nice?).

I lurve leprechauns. And shamrock shakes.

Brennan on the Moor, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

All the Irish pple I've met have been nice, lucky me.

Now, Irish Americans, that's *quite* a different story.

The Unicarn, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Irish soda bread is really good. If you mix Baileys with Kahlua, Amaretto and milk, you get a real solid drink.

Ally, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mmm, toasted almond.

I love Ireland solely because of Guinness, Murphy's and Bailey's. I'm a lush.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Destroy: stinky Irish "cuisine". Thank god my mom's Italian, that's all I have to say...

Kerry, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Celtic mythology. Oooh lord.

Lyra, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

U2, Guinness... um... hills and rain.

JM, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ethan is a Mick. So I've heard. He's also whisky. POP SHOTS.

Greg, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The worst Irish export is that smug bastard on Top Gear. And the IRA.

DG, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm the best mick ever.

ethan, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Uniformed attire (i.e., white shirt, dark green or plaid skirts, etc.) of all the young women there...*whew* have mercy!

Destroy: The food.

I believe it was Shane MacGowan once poignantly said: "Ertwas swillin' 'n' sllen/ inna mrsts o' Culcllan/ er pour me a-point o' whiskey t'day..."

Joe, Tuesday, 21 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I spent a week in Ireland (2 days in Northern Ireland, the remainder in the Republic) six years ago, and it was fabulous. Rented a car in Belfast and drove all over the place, ending up in Dublin. Sunny for 4 days out of the 7, too, which the locals said made me very lucky.

My favorite Ireland memory: driving up the Conor Pass on the Dingle Peninsula, parking the car and hiking up a mountain. The view of the countryside, the ponds, the sheep and the sea was breathtaking, of course. But what was really remarkable was just how quiet it all was -- I could hear the grass crunching under my feet and I thought I was stepping on dried out grass, till I realized that it sounded so loud only because it was so quiet. I'd literally never "heard" silence like that before. I realized then how really loud even "quiet" moments are where I live, how there's always some sort of ambient noise in the background disrupting the perfect quiet. And then you just stand there, with the knockout view in the closest thing to perfect peace and quiet I'd ever experienced. Then you walk down and throw some money at the person playing some cliche Irish music on a harp at the foot of the hill.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ah bejabers sure aren't we a grand aul bunch o praties?

DV, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Was it Shane Magowan, lifetime resident of North London (until recently, I think he has now moved to his spiritual home now) who said that then?

destroy people who say: "I'm Irish, my mother's brother's budgie was bought from a pat shop in Galway"

paddy's night in Kilburn too, destroy that, even more so in Neasden.

search: Tony Cascarino

cabbage, Wednesday, 22 August 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

five years pass...

Anybody want to recommend some traditional Irish music? There's so much stuff out there and a lot of it looks terrible.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Ooops, sorry I thought this was an ILM thread 'cos I was on ILM and then I did a search and so I thought...I know...I am dumb.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

And it's quite a late night for me.

Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

'search' and 'destroy'? UMkay

humansuit, Thursday, 28 June 2007 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

Specifically, I'd recommend Planxty's 2004 (or is it 2005? I can't remember) live album, which is brilliant and has Christy Moore singing on it. Any one of the first four Chieftains albums are also top class. Martin Hayes is also very popular and good, and there's a great, great singer called Iarla O Lionaird who sings unaccompanied Irish songs. His voice is beautiful, but it can get a little wearing after a while if you don't understand what he's singing about.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:37 (twelve years ago) link

The Dubliners ain't half bad either.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:43 (twelve years ago) link

luke kelly.

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:45 (twelve years ago) link

also, what's with lack of WB Yeats love upthread?

darraghmac, Friday, 29 June 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ned's question inspired me to dig out that Planxty 2004 album. It is GRATE.

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 10:08 (twelve years ago) link

Ned, not quite full blown trad....but you can't go wrong with Christy Moore.

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

search: Planxty's "The Well Below The Valley", if only for the title track.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:43 (twelve years ago) link

My lord, the prosecution cites "Don't Forget Your Shovel".

Also "The Voyage", and his version of "Ride On".

accentmonkey, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:44 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

If it's the same one the Devil's Interval do then it's got incest and 6 cases of abortion/infanticide, body count is the hallmark of a good folk song.

Ed, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:45 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous? He's certainly not as famous as he should be! (He's also from London, of course!)I don't know as much about Irish music as I should.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

yes well, not every track! I'm out of my depth here, and I've forgotten my shovel.

Ronan, Friday, 29 June 2007 11:51 (twelve years ago) link

Planxty, yes - I only know the first three albums though. Also that Andy Irvine+Paul Brady album - in fact, is Andy Irvine famous?

he is famous enough, but maybe not as famous as he deserves to be. He plays live a lot in Whelans, and every time I go to see him I kick myself for not going to see him every time he plays, as he is awesome.

In a piece of inspired supportage, the first time I saw him was when he was supporting Will Oldham; a whole new generation of fans was born.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

He is awesome. Everything I've ever heard him do, from Sweeney's Men onwards, has been great, and he always seems like the most talented and yet least well known in whatever setup he's involved in.

Tom D., Friday, 29 June 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

I think he is all about the music rather than about the self-promotion.

I love his song about how Ronnie Drew is actually a culchie.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Friday, 29 June 2007 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

CINCINNATI -- A man was caught Tuesday morning inside a car with his pants down.

Police said Kim Leblanc broke into a parked car overnight on Central Parkway, and the owner found him asleep inside and called police.

Officers said Leblanc was not wearing any pants when they arrived.

Investigators said Leblanc told them he had done drugs and believed that a leprechaun had let him into the car.

Leblanc remains in police custody on a variety of charges.

omar little, Thursday, 18 October 2007 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

top scientist claims irish less intelligent than other ethnicities,

blames leprechaun influence.

darraghmac, Thursday, 18 October 2007 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

Thieving Irish. Here's something funny: I'm American, and my grandfather raised us to be conscious of our Irish heritage. We just find out our Irish side actually came from England ... and had lived there for centuries before coming to the US, rather than actually coming here from Ireland during the potato/weird root tasting beer/cable knit sweater famine.

So what's the deal with that - English, Irish, what? I'm sure most of the people who claim Irish heritage here are less of Irish heritage than suspected.

http://www.dk-ink.com/AngelsRemembered/files/leprechaun.gif

burt_stanton, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

Oh who knows. My family could care less about it, we're American...but my boyfriend's family is v v proudly Irish...except at this point all their relatives back home live in the Leith district of Edinburgh. At least they're all Hibs supporters!

Laurel, Friday, 19 October 2007 03:43 (twelve years ago) link

um, hibs aren't the 'irish' team in scotland.

darraghmac, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:40 (twelve years ago) link

they are one of the Irish teams, as far as I know. especially if you live in Edinburgh. Scots may know better.

Ronan, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

Hibs were the "Irish" team in Scotland before Celtic were.

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:46 (twelve years ago) link

If by "Irish" you mean "charitable club set up by members of the Catholic church to provide aid to poverty stricken Catholics who were mostly Irish immigrants" or something. Hibernian means Irish, doesn't it?

onimo, Friday, 19 October 2007 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

I've never understood Hopkins. Wished they'd put chattier gays on the LC

plax (ico), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:18 (six days ago) link

rip

deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:54 (six days ago) link

how was hopkins not chatty, he exploded sonnets to 500 words for god's sake

imago, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:31 (six days ago) link

Hopkins was not good

gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 20:50 (six days ago) link

burton reading leaden/golden echo is maybe the best thing humans have done

deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 21:08 (six days ago) link

No, I was wrong. My chosen four were Yeats/Plath/Heaney/Mahon. I think of Heaney a lot and bought several books of his, but Mahon I still know by heart <redacted> years later.

gyac, Monday, 2 December 2019 22:06 (six days ago) link

mahon cailin indeed

deems of internment (darraghmac), Monday, 2 December 2019 22:30 (six days ago) link

Gyac I suspect we did the leaving the same year

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 06:01 (five days ago) link

Wouldn’t be surprised. What was your core text?

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 08:02 (five days ago) link

I want to say Macbeth

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 08:44 (five days ago) link

A fine vintage

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 09:20 (five days ago) link

same but id imagine from an earlier cycle

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:47 (five days ago) link

Hopkins was not good

ftfy

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 10:48 (five days ago) link

well it's a given that one cannot simply agree with another's opinion, this is the irish thread

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 11:42 (five days ago) link

Speaking of vintages, I think pom and I are the same age. Jurd “Manly” Hopkins was not good.

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:00 (five days ago) link

The sprung rhythms and talk of inscape and instress are all classic imo but I'm fond of poetry that aspires towards the condition of music (short of actual sound poetry, which lacks all the desirable qualities of language and music both).

I think we are the same age, yes. I'm a 1985-er.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:03 (five days ago) link

A fine year.

That’s interesting. I may look at him again now that you’ve said that. I never had quite that association between the sounds and rhythms of poetry as I did with music in English - but I can still remember some of the Irish poems I learned because of their musicality.

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:07 (five days ago) link

I'm younger but I was quite young when I did the leaving

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:11 (five days ago) link

Hopkins drew on Anglo-Saxon cadences so he was definitely working within a wholly different tradition (apologies for mentioning it itt).

xp

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:11 (five days ago) link

It’a fine! What else is this thread for?!

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:13 (five days ago) link

In the absence of a The Anglo-Saxons thread...

'Skills' Wallace (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:16 (five days ago) link

Anglo-Saxons is a kinda nonsense category tbf

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:17 (five days ago) link

It is kind of telling that the canonical Anglo-Saxon epic begins with a reference to the 'Spear-Danes'.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:19 (five days ago) link

We've got our own Saxons, incidentally:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transylvanian_Saxons

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:23 (five days ago) link

Same!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons#Netherlands

The local language, although strongly influenced by standard Dutch, is still officially recognised as Dutch Low Saxon.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:24 (five days ago) link

Damn continental immigrants.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:26 (five days ago) link

Anglo-Saxons is a kinda nonsense category tbf

― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 12:17 (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

and don't ye behave like it

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:11 (five days ago) link

happy to take my share of the blame but i've got enough self-loathing for one or two more if needed

éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:15 (five days ago) link

its valuable work and we surely appreciate it

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:21 (five days ago) link

I did Hamlet and if nothing else it's almost certainly provided me with more University Challenge answers than any other subject

Number None, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 13:56 (five days ago) link

"leaving cert" is one of the fascinating concepts I've been introduced to by my favorite thriller writer Tana French, along with the staggeringly good idiom "fair play to you"

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 16:55 (five days ago) link

fair play to here

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:10 (five days ago) link

her, ffs

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:13 (five days ago) link

Both work.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:13 (five days ago) link

https://youtu.be/Z1vYs5LBC3c

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:14 (five days ago) link

silby what was it about the leaving cert that so intrigued

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:23 (five days ago) link

It does have a ring of the YA about it - Percy Jackson and the Leaving Certificate.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:31 (five days ago) link

its the piece of paper that allows you to emigrate to 'mericawwww

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:37 (five days ago) link

silby what was it about the leaving cert that so intrigued

― deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, December 3, 2019 9:23 AM (thirty-four minutes ago)

the mystery! What happens if you don't pass? Can you leave whenever you want? Where do you leave to? No way of knowing.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 17:58 (five days ago) link

Well you can chuck it in anytime you like, but you can never leave

Number None, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:30 (five days ago) link

p much

deems of internment (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:30 (five days ago) link

Did anyone else watch the film How to Cheat in the Leaving Cert? Amazing that Willie O’Dea was so het up about it, lol.

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:38 (five days ago) link

its the piece of paper that allows you to emigrate to 'mericawwww


Thought that was the J1

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:38 (five days ago) link

I am reliably assured that this is a classic of the LC Irish curriculum by people younger than me:

https://youtu.be/SW-tdaO2s9o

We never had anything so memorable, remember the children of Lir story and one about a drug addict. No films.

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:41 (five days ago) link

Lol u mean "gafa"

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 19:58 (five days ago) link

What a pile of nonsense! Did it actually end with a chainsaw decapitation?

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:00 (five days ago) link

I don’t remember that at all if so. Apparently it was still on the curriculum recently?

gyac, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 20:06 (five days ago) link

re: Heaney, did anyone catch the 'Seamus Heaney and the Music of What Happens' documentary on the bbc last week? I recorded it.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:37 (five days ago) link

well I don't recall ever reading it all the way through, there were extracts in whatever textbook we used. But we did all have to go the see it at the Taidhbhearc and yes it definitely included that ending.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 December 2019 21:43 (five days ago) link

Plaxico that is extremely rtmi, why didn’t they teach us that bit? It was fairly dry as Gaeilge despite the subject matter.

LBI, I will look at that when I’m home!

A Derry woman who is challenging a requirement that she renounce her British citizenship before she can legally identify as Irish wants the Government to back her campaign.

Today Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said he would take up the case with the next British prime minister after the election there on 12 December.

Emma DeSouza is challenging being automatically determined to be a British citizen under UK law rather than having a choice of Irish citizenship as provided for in the Good Friday Agreement.

She said there remains a responsibility on the Irish Government as a co-guarantor to uphold and protect the agreement.

pray4Corbyn

The case of Bloody Sunday veteran Soldier F has been adjourned until the new year to give legal representatives time to co-ordinate the 25 civilian witnesses which will be called to give evidence.

also pray4Corbyn (but really, how many of those people will be “persuaded” into not testifying if called?)

gyac, Wednesday, 4 December 2019 17:42 (four days ago) link


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