The question I suppose is - has anyone actually read it?
― Tom, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
The patronage of Eve by a Cure-loving (for the record, behind the Smith as the 2nd worse band of the 80s for me, and I was only about seven at the time) OLD and BALD Grandad is the most patronisingly reader-chasing and insulting thing NME have ever done in my memory.
NME's crap right now. They're not taking any real risks despite (as always) proclaiming to: if they were to really devour the zeigeist, they'd swap the four page LP section with the half-page dance section.
NME's sad populism-chasing (as opposed to, say Musik and 7's populism facing) is as embarrassing as it can get for a 20 year old pop freak weaned on the UK inkies. Perhaps for some of the older readers of this forum it's different, but for me, it's a stab in the dark with a 1/2 knife.
For people really in tune with "The Kids", NME should cover: Zed Bias, DJ Dee Kline, Stanton Warriors, Life Without Buildings, Timbaland, Swizz Beats, Leaf and Strut Records, and Ty and the whole Big Dada stable in greater depth.
― Izzie, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
But that's your problem, not mine.
*ahem*
Sounds like they're just trendchasing to me. I wouldn't worry either way.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and btw the recent rap issue was laughable. Isn't this the same magazine that condemned rap for years and years for sexism and homophobia, but now is praising it to the skies because a white rapper has made it palatable? Aside from Missy, when was the last time a black artist was on the cover?
― Nicole, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
The NME should front-cover Life Without Buildings and Zed Bias, maybe. But to leap from a Stereophonics diet to that kind of stuff would be too much too soon, and minor artists need a context in which to be understood anyhow. The current trend - to cover exciting, young music and to not assume that said music has to be a) rock, b) unrelated to everything else people do - is a positive one. You still get the feeling that everything's being seen in a rock light - look, look, it's drugs, dance music is hedonistic like rock! But even so it's a step up.
Yes, it's cyclical. But the NME in the mid-80s was good, and it would be nice for the NME in the early-00s to be good too, for however long it lasts. The big danger as Nicole rightly suggests is that it will hardly last at all as people drop it immediately. (Sales of the NME notoriously drop when black artists get on the cover).
The other thing Nicole says which I totally agree with is the writing quality thing. I bought the Missy issue and while it was refreshing to read the interview there didn't seem to be much meat otherwise, Peter Robinson's entertaining singles column aside.
From a personal POV, though obviously FT is nothing to do with any of this it's satisfying to feel like I backed the 'right horse' as it were, though the pro-pop bit is only a bit of what we're about.
― Tom, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
I think it's nice that the NME comes out weekly, and so it's got that over american music mags, but the NME (and the rest of the british media) seem only to listen when there's a loud record promoter on the other end of the phone, whereas underground buzz/excitement is enough to get a review into spin or magnet.
― marianna maclean, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Geordie Racer, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Mogwai's Stuart Braithwaite has hit out at UK music weekly NME, branding them "pompous, disgusting and patronising".
"No, nothing shocks me anymore and that paper's just got really bad."
― DJ Martian, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― jel, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Patrick, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Of course, the NME has *always* aimed at students, ever since about 1970 when it very nearly went under after the arrival of new magazines aiming at the pop market which it had covered in the 60s, and oriented itself towards what was then laughingly called "progressive music". Since then it has reflected the narrowest and most up-its-own-arse aspect of university common-room prejudices (all those 70s ELP fans' letters sneering at The Sweet and calling Kraftwerk obscure bollocks were echoed in the anti-dance kneejerkery of some Smiths fans, the anti-intellectualism of the Roses / Mondays worshippers, the smug cawing over the worthlessness of hip-hop integrated into Oasism, and now everything about the whole Starsailor / Alfie / Turin Brakes axis), but sporadically come into its own and run free. The last couple of months have indeed seen a minor revival - the hip-hop issue *was* pathetically "let's get with the trend", but better that than pretending that dying British indie is the only way forward. And the stuff on Missy Elliot and the Miami Dance Conference *has* been refreshing; it's good to see the NME taking a pro-pop line for once. The "state of Britain's youth" issue was mildly alarmist sensation / event-seeking, but had a few good points.
However I share Tom and Marcello's fears that commercial pressures and the vestiges of indie-kid narrow-mindedness will work against these signs of life.
― Robin Carmody, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, enough moaning.
― Rob M, Thursday, 5 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
The NME feels very pleased with having outlasted Sounds and the Maker, but a gut feeling tells me it will no longer be with us in five years time.
― Pihkalboy, Tuesday, 10 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Who is 'we' here? A very select group, perhaps. I have most certainly never, ever said that anyone or anything anywhere should have anything to do with 'Popstars', 'Missy Elliot' or 'the Miami Dance Conference'. I have a feeling that all of them are probably atrocious.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Robin Carmody, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― ethan, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Tim, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Plus! I was responding to previous threads about the NME which broadly seemed to be concluding - well the NME is crap because all it covers is indie music, where are the hip-hop and dance and indeed pop features? Or that was the - biased - impression I was left with. Clearly there are dissenters, prominently DJ Martian who is no doubt as unhappy with Missy Elliott coverage as he is with more Terris, and the Pinefox, whose vision for the NME, if he has one, eludes me.
Plus plus! It was rhetorical - I could have said "some of you" but it would have got less people involved in the thread I judged.
― Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Omar, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Editor: Steady 'Steady' Mike Chief Feature Writer: Stevie 'Edna' T Think Pieces: Tom 'It's Elusive' Ewing Roving Reporter: Tim 'Reality' Hopkins Letters Editor: David 'Incredible' Moore
Once every five years, Steady M takes pity on me and commissions a major retrospective on Harriet Wheeler. I dig out the last retrospective and add 200 words based on HW's activities, as known to me, over the previous five years. I struggle to reach 200. No-one notices that I am repeating previous retrospective.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― MJ Hibbett, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Tim, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― tha ill presidente, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Next week its Destiny's Child - another useless front cover.
― DJ Martian, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
Destiny's Child - and the NYC issue for that matter - pretty much confirm my original qn, i.e. the NME is on the right track currently. Themed issues = good. Putting the people making exciting pop records on the cover = good. The records Destiny's Child are making at the moment are terrific - there shouldn't even be a question about them being on the NME front cover.
― Tom, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
We didn't know where to put ourselves.
― mark s, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
However the NME should at least have a 1 page feature of Ulver.
and a significant album review - in the old MM circa late 80s- a band released a significant and exceptional album then they would be rewarded with a large review (column inches) regardless of size profile.
I will be surprised if the NME review the Ulver album - as the NME are ignorant bastards when it comes to non US/British bands.
For the curious Ulver - Perdition City
Ulver - Perdition City - is released April 23th on Jester Records through Shellshock/Pinnancle in the UK.
There are also a number of important points on the NME current music coverage - that I want to expand on. Later.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
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― norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (12 years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Nicole, Friday, 8 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― David Raposa, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― gareth, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― the pinefox, Saturday, 9 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
In what way are Travis the biggest band in Britain? Hear'say? Westlife? Destiny's Child? Atomic Kitten? How many number ones have Travis had? Their definition of "band" seems to still be confined to a) Not manufactured (Whatever that means) b) Play guitars (and only guitars - none of this electronic nonsense) c) Male. It's the equivalent of Fruit and Veg Magazine putting Greengrocer Of The Year on the cover and describing them as "THE GREATEST PERSON WHO EVER LIVED", provided by "person" they mean "greengrocer".
― Graham, Thursday, 21 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Nick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
But to get back to the subject...I think NME has changed for the better this year, but basically there just isn't enough to read in it that's interesting.
Maybe it's trying to be all things to all people, when it will always be synonymous with indie/leftfield music. Personally I don't mind reading about Destiny's Child or Outkast as long as it's interesting. But people are going to read Mix Mag, Hip Hop Connection whatever, if they are really into the dance, hip-hop or R'n'B scenes.
What was it that Matt from Sarah Records once said..."if you're a fan of jangley guitars then you're narrow minded. If you're a hip-hop fan then you are a specialist." or something like that.
― GD, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
to be heavily into hip-hop, understand the push/pull it enacts, you can't be fascistic about it, which is why the holier than thou attitude taken on by much of the uk hip-hop underground (trying to put pop in a cage where it can be looked at but not touched) - and, i suppose, that of our transatlantic counterparts as well - irks so much.
― Izzie, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Patrick, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Tom, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
NME freelancers are being told to sign these horrible new agreements. Say, for example, someone gets to do a feature with Destiny's Child. The writer turns in a pretty good interview but has some material left over. The LA Weekly or someone asks for that writer to file a piece on same. Under the terms of the NME's new agreement, they wouldn't be able to because the NME would own, forever, the TAPE of the interview and any other out-takes.
Any freelance who doesn't sign does not get any more work from the paper/website. They are paid something like 15p a word for work they do, which is a lot less than you can get for selling interviews to the American market or a British newspaper, and they have none of the benefits of being on staff, usually no retainer even. It's patently unfair to ask those without job security to agree to such terms, and 20 writers are looking into a potential case against IPC for restraint of trade/intellectual property rights etc. If you want to know more, Tom, ask Angus Batey to fill you in. I think he was the one who went to the Guardian in the first place.
The best part of the story DG's quoting? 'Mr Sutherland was unavailable for comment.' Now there's a great big fuckin' first!
― suzy, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
Source Media Guardian Feb 2001
I would think that if the NME dropped below 50,000 a week then questions would be asked about its future.
Sounds closed at around around 39,000 sales in 1991, Melody Maker closed at 32,500 sales in Dec 2000.
However much I dislike NME's music direction in 2001 To lose 20,000 sales from Feb 2001 to the end of the year, is unlikely.
― DJ Martian, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Andrew L, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
When the Guardian went online it sent around a fait accompli letter to anyone submitting freelance work that said The Guardian owned the reprint rights on each piece submitted; notification of this fact equalled an expectation of compliance. A lot of people stopped dealing with them afterward because the freelance rate did not rise one jot. What's going on at the NME is about a million times worse, and might be one reason the thing appears to be written by monkeys and Muppets these days - good writers often have annoying characteristics like principles and the tendency to disagree with the logic of their 'superiors' at work.
I don't think the NME will go down the pan because the site gets a gazillion hits every week. Brand manager is the perfect job for an Oxbridge, sexist skinhead Muppet like Sutherland, the job can do itself.
Do the freelancers laugh at the Travis, Stereophonics, The Strokes and Linkin Park front covers ..like the rest of us?
Who decides on the NME front covers Sutherland or Knowles or 16 year old work experience kids on a focus market research panel? I want to identify blame.
Also I noticed that Mojo are seeking a new editor at the mo Advert
― masonic boom, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
But did you see the piece Keith Cameron wrote on Travis for the Guardian Weekend? I found it frighteningly ambivalent, as though he was just *describing* the situation where they have got so big, and he just didn't seem motivated to speak out against it. Maybe age has hit him where it hurts, but his pro-Oasis rhetoric wasn't what I wanted to read from the NME *at all* in 1995.
Mark Sutherland - a pompey fan - well that is suprising.
Definitely the editor, after feedback in editorial meetings, with pressure from upstairs. Yes, the freelancers do often laugh themselves sick at the choices made by the above. I actually don't think they're focus groupies at the NME (and anyway, no focus group I've ever been privy to asks for specifics about content, more general areas or should the spine be book-bound rather than stapled, yada yada). That's Emap's department: a pal of mine who once edited one of their music mags was rung on Boxing Day by the big cheese to be told if his cover choice didn't pan out, heads would roll.
Also, access is controlled by PR's who grant exclusives based on the promise of A Cover ('my client will not get out of bed for less than 5000 words') and how arsey the paper's tone has been to the other artists they represent. NME will generally be in the same queue for coverage as Mixmag, The Face, Q, Mojo. Dazed and Confused. i-D and Sleazenation choose who to cover based on sneakier means; getting early access to photographs because one of their people, say Wolfgang Tillmans or Juergen Teller or Corinne Day, has done a shoot (photographers have much, much better phone books than most editors). If style mags have the photos, then they have a powerful bargaining tool with the PRs who represent the artiste. No PR company would get angry at a 'cool' photographer for this kind of scoop, as they lend the artiste cred and in many cases get commissions from the record company direct.
Hate to be all insider/media ho' about this, but I think it's my duty, after 10 years' experience of these matters, to put that to use demystifying the media's methods.
That was the eye-opening thing inside books like _Powder_ - not the "Oh my god, rock stars are perverted, and singer/songwriters are ego-ridden gits" bit of it, but the insider (manager) information on how things like "cover articles" get handed out.
Then again, I suppose knowing too much can really leave a distaste in the mouth. If someone chose to do a Popstars style expose on how even the "indie"s are completely mechanised, I think I would move to Alaska with ProTools and never leave the house again.
BTW my first job in London was, you guessed it, NME freelancer. I ran away to join the Riot Grrrls, as any sensible female would.
Anjali
― gareth, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
I would be interested in hearing your experiences of Riot Grrl, and whether you think it and its daughters have accomplished anything, but that's probably another thread.
Funny thing about "The Press" is... most musicians are unable to separate "The Press" (a faceless, corporate entity controlled by Brand Directors in IPC Towers) from the individual, badly paid, often cynical freelancers that are sent to review and/or interview them. Remember that musicians have been as badly burned by the Suits Upstairs as the freelancers have been, they just don't know it. (And vice versa)
― masonic boom, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― mark s, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Tom, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
ht tp://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=80594
Upmarket? Rolling Stone? What the blinkin' 'eck?
― masonic boom, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― suzy, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
It's all games.
Anyone got anything on David Lister? Name = familiar. Every time I read that Zappa quote (always quoted by eeevil sold-out pea- brains like Simon Hoggart) I find I despise FZ more.
― mark s, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
http://www.mediaguardian.co.uk/presspublishing/story/ 0,7495,513257,00.html
Circulation is dropping, but the website is increasing... so why the heck don't they take advantage of the nature of the internet to increase it even further beyond just a print version of the reviews, and a live news feed? Oh, I'm going to start ranting again, see remarks on the "what do you want from the press" thread.
― DJ Martian, Friday, 13 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
NME's editor Ben Knowles will be online to answer your questions from 4pm next Thursday. Should be interesting. So if you want to know why Elbow haven't been on the cover yet or why he persists with a bobbed hairdo log on and all will be revealed!
thats Thursday 19h July @ 4pm - if you want to grill Ben Knowles.
― DJ Martian, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― DG, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 17 January 2002 01:00 (11 years ago) Permalink
One still gets the feeling that this is the usual stage in the NME cycle when nothing much is happening in whiteboy guitar land and black music and non-music issues get reasonably good cover until the next Roses/Mondays/Oasis comes along. -- Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link
This dude knows what's popping
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
I'm still wondering why he persisted with a bobbed hair log on!
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:47 (5 years ago) Permalink
(Ben Knowles, that is, not Marcello)
If I had 50p for every sneering comment I've had off the recording artists I know re. The Press I'd be very wealthy indeed.
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:48 (5 years ago) Permalink
Suzy gives good wealthy.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:56 (5 years ago) Permalink
I love how Dom is now grinding Suzy's axe six years on.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
guys, how do i meet "cougars"?
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:58 (5 years ago) Permalink
I AM NOT DOM'S SOCK-PUPPET
― Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:59 (5 years ago) Permalink
right
― electricsound, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:03 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:58 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
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-- Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 11:58 (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
^^^this is the funniest ilm post in a while
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:07 (5 years ago) Permalink
NME doesn't get good until it gives up trying to appeal to the kids and instead starts writing about the same kind of stuff that Mojo does.
― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:45 (5 years ago) Permalink
The Beano doesn't get good until it gives up trying to appeal to the kids and instead starts writing about the same kind of stuff that Angling Times does.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:49 (5 years ago) Permalink
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:50 (5 years ago) Permalink
Hey, "Dingbod"!
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
Hey, "Norm"!
This just in from the NME EOY poll compilers: "Kylie doesn't get good until it gives up trying to appeal to the kids and instead starts writing about the same kind of stuff that Biffy Clyro does."
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 13:18 (5 years ago) Permalink
^^^Marcy, right?
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 13:20 (5 years ago) Permalink
He was a martyr, you know. Gave his life so that Biffy Clyro might live.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 13:25 (5 years ago) Permalink
-- Izzie, Wednesday, 4 April 2001 00:00 (6 years ago) Bookmark Link
Man, it's a shame she doesn't post anymore, she has some awesome taste in music.
― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 13:29 (5 years ago) Permalink
does this still apply?
― s.rose, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 13:41 (5 years ago) Permalink
When I (was) stopped (from) writing for Uncut in 2004 it had gone up to 25p a word and if you didn't sign you didn't necessarily stop getting work - you just didn't get paid for it until you had signed. It isn't necessarily beneficial to IPC since freelancers are naturally encouraged just to write any old hack rubbish rather than give away their best stuff. From scanning of recent issues this appears to have been the preferred path for writers to take. Oh yes, and the first person singular was ruthlessly excluded from any IPC writing but not for socialist reasons.
― Dingbod Kesterson, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 13:57 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh that's something that always hated. "Kele bought the NME a drink", "Beth gave the NME a lift home" all that.
Mind you, it did lead to "the NME wrote this article from an interview by Tim Jonze" etc...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 14:09 (5 years ago) Permalink
Ha ha ha yes.
― Pashmina, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 14:13 (5 years ago) Permalink
Don't forget "your reporter" for when you're really writing from the heart
― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 14:32 (5 years ago) Permalink
So, do NME reporters go on to greater things thesedays?
(Greater being: better paid and/or more prestige within the journalism genre, or media careers in general)
(Thesedays = since 2004)
You know all those who went on to Nationals, Word, Mojo, Wire, TV/Comedy and the like, back in the day, but have any notable NME 'name' writers from circa 2004 ever been seen since?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 15:22 (5 years ago) Permalink
as morrissey said, no.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 15:28 (5 years ago) Permalink
<i>does this still apply?</i>
The per-word rate's about half that now, isn't it?
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:33 (5 years ago) Permalink
They had notable writers in 2004?
― Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 18:39 (5 years ago) Permalink
it was a random year choice.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 19:54 (5 years ago) Permalink
Oh, the NME has had a redesign.
It's much better, mmm... (shrugs)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 10:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
The design is a vast improvement though not perfect (the typography is all over the place at times). However, the quality of writing is still pretty weak. I hadn't read it in years before the relaunch and was disappointed to see that they still use that "overanalyse one arbitrary line from a song and run run run with it" writing style.
― unpredictable johnny rodz, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 10:23 (3 years ago) Permalink
Not judging from this Steve Reid obit (c&p'd because they will presumably change it):
James Brown, Miles Davies drummer Steve Reid diesReid had been battling cancerJames Brown and Miles Davies collaborator Steve Reid has died aged 66.The American drummer, who was battling cancer, passed away in his sleep earlier today (April 13).Davies began playing professionally at the age of 16 and had his first recorded work with Martha And The Vandellas, working in the Apollo Theatre House band, under the direction of Quincy Jones.Also working with the likes of Miles Davies, Fela Kuti, James Brown and Sun Ra, Davies' last studio album came in the form of 2008's 'NYC', where he worked with Kieran Hebden aka Four Tet."Steve was one of my great friends and the most wonderful musician I have ever encountered," Hebden said in a statement. "The music and adventures we shared have been some of the most happy and meaningful experiences I've ever had - a true inspiration."He added: "He lived a great life and gave us incredible music. I'll miss him forever."
Reid had been battling cancer
James Brown and Miles Davies collaborator Steve Reid has died aged 66.
The American drummer, who was battling cancer, passed away in his sleep earlier today (April 13).
Davies began playing professionally at the age of 16 and had his first recorded work with Martha And The Vandellas, working in the Apollo Theatre House band, under the direction of Quincy Jones.
Also working with the likes of Miles Davies, Fela Kuti, James Brown and Sun Ra, Davies' last studio album came in the form of 2008's 'NYC', where he worked with Kieran Hebden aka Four Tet.
"Steve was one of my great friends and the most wonderful musician I have ever encountered," Hebden said in a statement. "The music and adventures we shared have been some of the most happy and meaningful experiences I've ever had - a true inspiration."
He added: "He lived a great life and gave us incredible music. I'll miss him forever."
http://www.nme.com/news/james-brown/50650
― Position Position, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
um, what's wrong with that one?
Over-reliance on someone they had the phone number of, as opposed to friends and close family members who presumably want some quiet time right now?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
What's wrong with it? Seriously? Well, for starters, they appear to think that Steve Reid's name is "Davies" throughout.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 20:54 (3 years ago) Permalink
There is no one relevant to that story with the surname Davies that I can tell. Not Miles, and certainly not the guy who died.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
oh right.
The moral is: Type in haste, proofread at leisure.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 07:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
Steve Davies, victim of terminal snooker loopiness.
― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 08:09 (3 years ago) Permalink
We'll show you what we can do with a load of balls...
― Convenience Fish (snoball), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Still, no argument that Eve's "Scorpion" is a knockout masterpiece of an album"
haha
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 11:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I have most certainly never, ever said that anyone or anything anywhere should have anything to do with 'Popstars', 'Missy Elliot' or 'the Miami Dance Conference'. I have a feeling that all of them are probably atrocious.
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― neden magnet (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 11:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
NME magazine has hooked up with Oxfam to urge music fans to donate unwanted albums to the charity.Donors will receive a free copy of the magazine in return."We want to get the mag out to as many people as we can - Oxfam is a great way to do that but it's a great cause as well," editor Krissi Murison said.The music swap marks the first time a major publication has been given away in a charity shop and is expected to bring in more than 12,000 donations.Artists such as Jarvis Cocker and DJ Norman Cook have previously backed Oxfam campaigns and are self confessed lovers of the charity store, discovering rare gems for their own music collections.One treasure recently discovered in an Oxfam shop in Glasgow was a signed Michael Jackson signed record. "Whoever it was haggled with the person at Oxfam and got it for £73," Murison told BBC 6 Music. "I would have put my hand over the signature and passed it off as a normal one."According to Oxfam, around 1.8 million CDs and records are sold every year, all donated by the public with money being used to fund projects across the world.The swap begins on Friday at more than 150 Oxfam stores nationwide.It also coincides with the recent launch of the magazine.Murison, who became editor in September, claims it has been well received so far. She said: "It's really shocked me, the biggest cynics out there have Twittered me to say they really like it." OXFAM'S MOST DONATED ARTISTSBeatlesThe CureNew OrderThe SmithsLed Zeppelin
NME magazine has hooked up with Oxfam to urge music fans to donate unwanted albums to the charity.
Donors will receive a free copy of the magazine in return.
"We want to get the mag out to as many people as we can - Oxfam is a great way to do that but it's a great cause as well," editor Krissi Murison said.
The music swap marks the first time a major publication has been given away in a charity shop and is expected to bring in more than 12,000 donations.
Artists such as Jarvis Cocker and DJ Norman Cook have previously backed Oxfam campaigns and are self confessed lovers of the charity store, discovering rare gems for their own music collections.
One treasure recently discovered in an Oxfam shop in Glasgow was a signed Michael Jackson signed record.
"Whoever it was haggled with the person at Oxfam and got it for £73," Murison told BBC 6 Music. "I would have put my hand over the signature and passed it off as a normal one."
According to Oxfam, around 1.8 million CDs and records are sold every year, all donated by the public with money being used to fund projects across the world.
The swap begins on Friday at more than 150 Oxfam stores nationwide.
It also coincides with the recent launch of the magazine.
Murison, who became editor in September, claims it has been well received so far. She said: "It's really shocked me, the biggest cynics out there have Twittered me to say they really like it."
OXFAM'S MOST DONATED ARTISTSBeatlesThe CureNew OrderThe SmithsLed Zeppelin
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 15 April 2010 19:56 (3 years ago) Permalink
the biggest cynics out there have Twittered me to say they really like it.
God, the modern internet. What happened? D:
― dead flower :( (Pashmina), Thursday, 15 April 2010 20:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
NME got fed up with british music?
wtf are The Drums?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 29 May 2010 02:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
what, you haven't heard? 10-night stand at the Meadowlands just last month, biggest act since REO
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Saturday, 29 May 2010 03:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
From the looks of them I would only listen if they were called the Murds.
― dud rock (crüt), Saturday, 29 May 2010 03:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
if you go to their show & provide me with visual evidence that you spent at least some of the time down front yelling "the murds! the murrrrrrrrrds!" between songs, I'll reimburse you for your ticket
― henceforth we eat truffle fries (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Saturday, 29 May 2010 03:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
MUSE + JACK WHITE: HOW TWILIGHT SCORED THE COOLEST SOUNDTRACK EVER
― dud rock (crüt), Saturday, 29 May 2010 03:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
I love that even in 2010 the NME cover still features both the Stone Roses and Liam Gallagher
― dud rock (crüt), Saturday, 29 May 2010 03:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
they have to cover themselves incase this new american invasion doesnt work out obviously.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 29 May 2010 10:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Drums are an American band from Brooklyn, New York,[1] with members stemming from the shortlived band Elkland (formerly Goat Explosion)
Now there's a name.
― atoms breaking heart (a passing spacecadet), Saturday, 29 May 2010 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
OH MY GOD NME HAS AN AMERICAN BAND ON THE COVER
I GUESS IT MUST BE FED UP WITH BRITISH MUSIC
― English: The Money Woman (history mayne), Saturday, 29 May 2010 12:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Drums are seriously fucking terrible
― Michael B, Saturday, 29 May 2010 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
The issue still on the stands at Borders is a Joy Division tribute. How long ago did it shrink in size and get a glossy cover? I haven't paid much attention in a long time. Flipping through it reminded me of late 70s Creem. If they would offer an actually affordable subscription in the U.S. I would read it.
― Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 29 May 2010 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
The most recent issue with all the American stuff was done by a stand-in editor while KM was on holiday. The others are markedly different in the sort of music they cover. I think it's improved massively since the redesign, but I would say that I guess.
― Duran (Doran), Saturday, 29 May 2010 15:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
It doesn't make me cringe quite so much when I see it in Sainsburys.
― djh, Saturday, 29 May 2010 19:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Strange Boys are dope though real talk
― ᵒ always toasted, never fried (crüt), Monday, 31 May 2010 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
I do wonder if "young people" really do want an Ian Curtis tribute issue, though?
― djh, Monday, 31 May 2010 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Lots of "young people" listen to Joy Division.
― billstevejim, Monday, 31 May 2010 21:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ian Curtis' 'stock' is probably as high now as it was in the early 80s. Just count the number of people you see wearing JD T-shirts at gigs.
― Duran (Doran), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
didn't they run a cover not even 18 months ago with vampire weekend on the cover that was all AMERICA IS COOL AGAIN & then listed 20 american bands
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think Hermann still thinks it's 1995.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
lolling at animal collective being buried there in b/w avi buffalo & the dum dum girls
cover is kinda cool visually tho -- whole redesign has gone a long way towards making the magazine look less like a music tabloid & instead like an actual journalistic endeavor
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok so it was about 18 mons ago - lol @ lil wayne
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah that old cover style was appalling, I think a lot of the recent covers have been a lot better.
― The Men Who Stare At Goatse (Matt DC), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
'how twilight scored the coolest soundtrack ever' is a bold claim!
but it does seem (from the covers n e way) to be better than under conor mack.
― transient truff (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
has nme forgot that someone made a famous movie about ian curtis
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
'Joe Lean - Why I canned my debut album'
A nation holds it's breath while we await it's appearance.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 11:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
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^^^ truth
the thing about young people is that Joy Division is still a novel thing to them
― ᵒ always toasted, never fried (crüt), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
the Miami Dance Conference
is this still a thing?
― transient truff (history mayne), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
^^ I like that they picked Colorado to fill in the west
― ᵒ always toasted, never fried (crüt), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 12:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
I can't read what any of those are (except possible The National in New York?). Is there a link?
― kkvgz, Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
IN FACTS WE TRUST
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME is logical positivists now, u c.
You've changed, Pacific Northwest. You used to be cool.
― Hippocrates or wat!! (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 1 June 2010 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://altreport.hipsterrunoff.com/2010/06/avey-tare-escalates-personal-brand-named-alt-american-icon-by-nme.html
I guess those ass holes across the ocean are trying to ‘take over’ the indie brand. Guess they can have it since it is irrelevant/dead n e ways. USA is rlly conceptcore/chillwave/bleep bloopy these days, so I am not sure if we are into ‘ghey bands’ like The Muse of The Kings of Leon [via the Lion Kings]. h8 u NME for trying to act like the USA doesn’t produce the best music in the world. AnCo is gonna take yall down in the World Cup of post-indie bands.
― truff sqwad (history mayne), Thursday, 3 June 2010 13:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
WORST WORLD CUP EVER.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 3 June 2010 13:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't forget the Beatles!
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Thursday, 3 June 2010 13:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir will never let you forget, don't worry ilxor!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 3 June 2010 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Was going to be snarky and post this in the worst NME cover ever, but I'm feeling charitable and think that on balance it's a good thing that NME are looking at acts that try to push the envelope rather than the usual Oasis/Pete Doherty/Arctic Monkeys stuff.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
KELE
BOLDLY GOING WHERE BLOC PARTY NEVER DARED
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Cover still features Oasis = yep, it's still the NME.
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Baby steps.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
On first glance, I thought that the cover above listing the American bands said "Warrant" instead of "Warpaint."
― X-Wing fighter in hand, "Godzilla" cranked on the stereo (J3ff T.), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
I dunno if it's a good thing or not that a 50+ Paul Weller is making more risky and interesting music than most NME approved "indie bands" have been doing in recent years. Hopefully things will improve in UK indie though. I did think his days of NME coverage was gone though.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
j3ff I thought the exact same as you when I first saw it!
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
what a weird cover
― gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 20:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
BEATING BLOC PARTY AT A GAME THEY WEREN'T EVEN BOLD ENOUGH TO PLAY
― on some kinda serial killer ish (sic), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 23:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol
― doop snobby snobb (history mayne), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
it looks terrific, which is a huge step up from the past couple years. all they need to do now is... cover decent acts?
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
terrific is not etc.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
That Kele single would be pretty good if it wasn't for his direction-free vocal.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 09:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
for a second i thought it was Lethal Bizzle on the cover
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 11:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Grindie Revival
― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 11:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh for the halcyon days of grindie
― Neil S, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 11:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Today I saw the NME with a whole issue on THE 100 BEST ALBUMS YOU'VE NEVER HEARD.
I looked through it. I had heard some of them, heard of others, didn't want to hear of some.
But the whole exercise seems to be admirable. Yes, I really think that the NME has improved. In a virtually impossible media climate, they are trying, in their way, to be more serious about pop and its history, than they have been in the past decade, even though probably none of what's left of their demographic cares much about it.
They even had a para on The Bodines and 'Therese'!
― the pinefox, Friday, 31 December 2010 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME aiming for the "not old enough to read Mojo, not rockist enough to read Q" demographic?
― Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Friday, 31 December 2010 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost I agree. For the first time since 2002, I have found the NME to be worth reading again, if only from time to time. Broader scope, sharper reviews, noticeably higher number of female writers (perhaps not surprisingly), more sincere in its enthusiasms, less desperate in its flogging of worthless dead horses, and generally more trustworthy. Although I'm not in its intended demographic, I no longer feel alienated by its ethos.
― mike t-diva, Friday, 31 December 2010 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
I've not picked up a physical copy yet since the new editor took over, but everything I've seen suggests I will agree with Mike when I eventually do.
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 31 December 2010 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
some discussion of that nme list on this thread — I agree that it's p.cool (reminds me of the sort of weird eclectic lists pitchfork used to do, like, a decade ago), but maybe a bit too... easy? hard to explain exactly what I mean, but it sorta feels like tokenism stretched out over an entire list — like, yeah okay, you guys are professional music critics, I certainly hope there are 2 or 3 obscure cool jazz/psychrock/country/whatever albums that you know and love! but that doesn't mean you should slap them all on a list and pretend it means something!!(related concern: who exactly is the audience for this piece?)
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Friday, 31 December 2010 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
(I am basing this assessment totally on that one piece — and not even the actual writing, just the list of albums — so grain of salt, of course)
― Egyptian Raps Crew (bernard snowy), Friday, 31 December 2010 16:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
I actually bought this issue today. I bought the Albums Of Year issue (the only one I buy each year)and I was disappointed with it. But I figured this issue looked interesting enough to pick up and read. I just hope it is worth reading.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Most of the list was chosen by 'celebs', Mark Ronson chose 5 hiphop albums, Friendly Fires picked some electronica, James Dean Bradfield picked Thomas Dolby and ABC! Hence the rather ramshackle nature of it, but in spite of that it looked more interesting than I expected.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Friday, 31 December 2010 16:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
I bet paul weller chose the zombies. He's been banging on about it for a good few years now every chance he gets.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 17:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes he did. And even I heard most of that LP 10 years ago.
My take on this list etc would be: yes it's daft, flawed, shallow etc from all kinds of angles. But attacking a worthy NME piece for that would be breaking a butterfly on a wheel. It's just remarkable that they've done it at all - for the kids, not seasoned pop listeners like ILM; after the drastic, radical decline of the magazine; and in a world where it must be nigh impossible to make a quality print magazine, or maybe any print magazine, anymore. It's in that very limited context that I find it such an admirable swim against the tide.
― the pinefox, Friday, 31 December 2010 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME doesn't need to write about pop as long as its demographic isn't interested. Or, if it does, it should write about pop that its demographic may be interested in hearing about. That is, male guitar pop from the UK.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 31 December 2010 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
No geir, the NME should write about good music.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 18:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Which it did not do under connor mac.
I'd really like to know who picked the Corea then: Jamie Callum?
― sonofstan, Friday, 31 December 2010 18:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
Someone called Joe Mount of Metronomy
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
The NME should help their readers discover some new stuff that they may like.
And, you know, they don't need to discover mainstream pop. They already know it, regardless of whether they like or not. Everyone knows mainstream pop.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 31 December 2010 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Friday, 31 December 2010 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't know contemporary mainstream pop. I know a lot of old mainstream pop.
But pop is a big little word, and the NME is a pop music magazine and I am a pop music fan.
― the pinefox, Saturday, 1 January 2011 00:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
You know, some people think it isn't pop if it's by a band, if that band plays guitars, if they are all male, and if their skin colour appears to be white.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 1 January 2011 04:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
"appears"
geir you give bands the while paper bag test?
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 January 2011 04:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
er white paper bag test
― in my world of Hmong ppl (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 January 2011 04:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
What does it matter anyway? If they are white, they are white, if they are black, they are black. What matters is what the music sound like. And if it sounds anything like Beatles or Beach Boys, then pop it is.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 1 January 2011 11:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I looked at the cover, since I can get NME at home now (I don't feel like going downtown to get it)...looking at an NME would be just a nostalgia thing for me. Until their covers are more appealing, I'm not actually going to buy it.
In any case, I'm wondering what the 100 albums are?
― Christina and the Fags (u s steel), Saturday, 1 January 2011 12:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sorry, I missed the link to the list that was posted upthread. It is interesting, could still be more global. I mean, I understand young consumers' need to catch up. But do they really need the Electric Prunes?
― Christina and the Fags (u s steel), Saturday, 1 January 2011 12:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
http://sickmouthy.wordpress.com/2011/01/01/top-ten-records-you’ve-never-heard-if-you’re-a-15-year-old-boy-who-reads-nme/
― Captain Ostensible (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 1 January 2011 12:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Milton Nascimento / Lo Borges – Club De Esquina Vol. 1Brazil isn’t just about samba and Tropicalia; it can be about awesome, awesome, classic pop too. The melodies, tunes, and arrangements here are something else – even if the words are Brazilian Portuguese.
this is great yeah
― /\/\/\Y/\ Amchill Rothschild (nakhchivan), Saturday, 1 January 2011 12:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
the hiphop picks are what finally make me hate mark ronson. seriously, this guy needs to die. mecca and the soul brother! smif n wesson! etc. sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo obscure you guys.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
infamous!!! lmao
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 00:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Isn't the idea to recommend some records that yr average 17yr old NME reader hasn't heard? perfectly possible that someone of that age wouldn't have heard records recorded at about the time they were born.
― Neil S, Monday, 3 January 2011 00:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
not sure if a hoy hoy is being a sarcastic dick or not. smif n wessun are, to most people, pretty obscure. and as neil says, to nme readers, so is a mobb deep album from 15 years ago.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 00:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah but whatever bullshit is on the typical nme list is, to most people, 'pretty obscure'
― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
i dunno seems silly to me to play dumb w/ your audience about given subgenres
nme isn't typically read by rap nerds, so even to nme readers, those are obscure acts -- but i mean, they have xtc on the list, so it isn't meant to be the most obscure records of all time, just stuff that college-age kids won't know about
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
also the go-betweens, felt and, um, black rebel motorcycle club...
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Wot no Terris
― Morcheeba, simply happening. (PaulTMA), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
I suppose the 100 albums you've never heard also means that you are supposed to like them, i.e. that they are not too unlike the stuff you already like.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 11:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
No, you take your pick.
― Mark G, Monday, 3 January 2011 11:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
These were all recommended by (mostly) artists that NME readers probably already appreciate, as well as a few choices by NME journalists. The 5 Kurt Cobain choices were made nearly 20 years ago.
Feels more like one of the 'Originals' run than an actual issue. Still, features more good records than the NME normally would in a month or two.
― Craigo Boingo, Monday, 3 January 2011 12:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
These were all recommended by (mostly) artists that NME readers probably already appreciate, as well as a few choices by NME journalists
Artist are known to be much, much, much more openminded towards other genres than their fans are though.
Btw. I think this is the big mistake that Mojo are doing regarding present music too. They seem to try to open their readership's eyes towards new music but instead of finding new stuff that is stylistically related to what their readers already love, they tend to recommend stuff from completely different genres. Putting John Grant at the top of their list this year was an exception though - obviously if Mojo readers are likely to get into new, young acts, they are much more likely to get into John Grant than some hip-hop or R&B act. Because John Grant is much closer to the kind of music they have already known and loved for 40 years.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
dunno why the fuck you'd wanna introduce the youth to XTC via White Music tho - it might tick the post-Strokes spiky guitars box but it's pretty fucken weak.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
That is true. But if the youth are into rather tough sounding rock'n'roll, XTC's best work may feel too pastoral for them.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies their own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have those feelings.[1]
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
i wd have gone drums n wires but ehh
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir with all respect even the god-knows-whats that read Mojo have a bit broader range of interests than "all shit that sounds like the Kinks, all the time".
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
the c...the cu...the oh forget it, in 2k11 that term will have to be rationed
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
sort of admirable that the nme are giving this list to 15yr old proto-ilx types for whom it will only hasten the end of their nme buying days
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
The proto-ILX types have never started buying NME in the first place. They are content with hit magazines and hitlists.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
how did you get into proper music?
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
if that story doesn't involve some kind of traumatic brain injury then I don't wanna hear it
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Having never read the NME - why would they have a "non-music" issue as mentioned in the OP? They're a music magazine, right? What kind of content would a "non-music" NME have?
― jodeci & oracle (kkvgz), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
They are content with hit magazines and hitlists.
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost
dunno what issue the OP was refering to but in the 80s the NME wd run occasional non-music cover stories about Youth Issues like drugs or suicide or voting for Neil Kinnock. any sense of this being a bold move was mitigated by yr suspicion that they couldn't face putting the Smiths on the cover because J. Marr hadn't farted in public that week.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 12:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
aye, it'd have music shit in there too
at one point there was a big internal war over "that sort of thing" (cf. covering hip-hop) but the main player's name escapes me. stuart something, perhaps, who was styled "media editor" maybe.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
Stuart Cosgrove. Ian Pye was the editor at the time IIRC
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
xxp I always thought those non-musical cover stories were a serious engagement with key issues. they didn't strike me as being tokenistic or whatever. nevertheless I remember reading somewhere (may even have been ILM) that the youth suicide issue was the lowest selling ever.
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
In reply, fuck that shit. When I was 17 me and my friends all read the NME and didn't have the awesome broadband every 17 year old has now. We all knew and loved TROY and Shook Ones Pt. 2. I remember getting drunk with a couple other friends jamming to Black Moon (about as close to Smif N Wesson as a group can get). Kids know how to download things, they aren't fucking ignorant of these super obscure records. No-one would have a problem with him putting in Da Dirty 30 or Bl_ck B_st_rds
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
The indie equiv of The Infamous is what, a Weezer record or Dookie or something? NME wouldn't dare stick something like that in this list but instead they and Mark Ronson are fucking stupid and ignorant.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
When I was 17 me and my friends all read the NME and didn't have the awesome broadband every 17 year old has now. We all knew and loved TROY and Shook Ones Pt. 2. I remember getting drunk with a couple other friends jamming to Black Moon (about as close to Smif N Wesson as a group can get).
well you're an exceptional individual, clearly. i was a 17-y-o nme reader, Before The Internet, and knew plenty. and in my world of young nme readers, very, very few were familiar with hip-hop beyond stuff that got in the charts.
The indie equiv of The Infamous is what, a Weezer record or Dookie or something? NME wouldn't dare stick something like that in this list but instead they and Mark Ronson are fucking stupid and ignorant.― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 3, 2011 2:32 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, January 3, 2011 2:32 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark
that's because the nme is an indie mag not a rap mag derp
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah smif n wesson is a good pick for this sort of thing. black moon wld be too. the infamous and pete rock debut are too close to canon picks even for a teen rock mag tho
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
though as it goes mid-late 90s nme wasn't that big on weezer. from what i can tell neither the debut nor 'pinkerton' made its EOY so, yeah, brilliant example.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Kids know how to download things, they aren't fucking ignorant of these super obscure records. No-one would have a problem with him putting in Da Dirty 30 or Bl_ck B_st_rds
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:30 (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
you realise this post makes you look insane, right?
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
like if you can look over that entire list and the one thing you conclude is "Smif N Wessun are way to well known to be in this"... I don't know how to finish that sentence tbh
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
fwiw the Mobb Deep was one of I think three things in there I thought were maybe a bit 'canon' even for this readership, the other two being Love and The Zombies, but (a) I don't actually own any of those myself and (b) the fuck does it matter *really*
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 January 2011 14:30 (59 minutes ago)
every1 had dsl when i was 17 and i'm older than u iirc
and every1 has access to internet music journalism but some still buy nme, not just about 'access' to records/content, ppl like familiarity/recommendations
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Maybe the problem is some people just cannot cope with the fact that many are actually still into white guys with guitars because they happen to like that kind of music best?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
The perspective on US Hip Hop from the UK has always been weird and getting weirder I think. Most of the kids I know - who are admittedly not in the NME's demographic really - don't know about any of the 90s acts that were a huge fucking deal at the time. Broadband is one thing but having a map of the musical universe is another - most of the teenagers I talk to that give a shit about Hip Hop don't have much interest in history.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
u still haven't told us how u got into music geir
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir please give it a rest with white guys with guitars.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:38 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lol is this even a response to anyone's actual post
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
most of the teenagers I talk to that give a shit about Hip Hop don't have much interest in history.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:40 (13 seconds ago)
don't necessarily think this is a problem, i mean i'm not sure if the east riding ukhh scene is going to be the atlanta of the 2k10s, but a little less record-collector piety might be worth a try
like i'd guess those odd future etc reets are only selectively schooled in the lore -- a partial, misinformed history is maybe better than encyclopedism or ~eclecticism~
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
his ownxp
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
xp
oh nakh yeah I wasn't saying this was in any way a problem, just that I wouldn't be in the slightest bit surprised at kids not having heard of The Infamous. Plus reiterating the stuff about it being a list for NME readers i.e. who gives a fuck about them anyway?
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
if anything the scene kids are a bawhair away from being corny undie mfers anyway, the mainstream guys just seem to randomly dig whatever's vaguely crossed over plus odd stuff from god knows where. any yes Hull is high on the list of Least Urban cities in the Yoo Kay too.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i wouldn't be surprised xp....i mean some of these names don't mean a lot to me
a hoy hoy is clearly through the looking glass itt
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 15:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol I think we've got an EP of theirs lying somewhere round the house
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
these are like standard "100 best hip hop records ever" records btw, so let's not act like ahoy is totally crazy. nme kids prob haven't heard any queensbridge hip hop but u still don't put illmatic in the issue u present as secret sounds.
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
they didn't put illmatic in iirc
also (i've said this elsewhere) the list has 'the marble index' and xtc and the go-betweens and felt so it isn't *that* obscure
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
the argument "nme kids haven't hear this" mayne
― zvookster, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
nah that's quibbling. "secret sounds" to their readership is a different thing. moaning about the NME's choice of music coverage is like getting radge cos X Factor doesn't have enough chillwave acts on it.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
and yeah it's uk-centric and honestly in the mid-90s queensbridge rap, it wasn't a thing a whole lot of nme readers or writers read or wrote about
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
the problem itt appears to be that it's an nme list full of music ilx people actually like
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
nas has had chart hits in the uk, mobb deep didn't. that's just how it was.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
also they'd purged all the journos that gave a shit about Hip Hop by '91
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
these are like standard "100 best hip hop records ever" records btw
apart from all the 00s lost-in-the-landfill indie on there a majority of the list is pretty standard "100 best [genre] records ever" records - doesn't mean most of the world knows or cares about them
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Is this list linked anywhere so that I don't have to buy the NME to know what you're talking about?
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
01.Clor <Clor>200502.Performance <(we are) Performance>200703.Jenny Wilson <love and youth >200504.Leadbelly <last session>194805.the shaggs <philosophy of the world > 196906.the wipers < is this real > 198007.young marble giants <colossal youth>198008.shonen knife <burning farm > 198309.jad fair <great expectations >198910.Felt <forever breathes the lonely word >198611.john phillips<john , the wolfking of LA >197012.bad brains <roir >198213.atlas strategic <that's familiar >200214.jonathan richman and the modern lovers <modern lovers 88> 198815.the electric prunes <underground >196716.the television personalities <they could have been bigger than the beatles >198217.the red crayola <the parable of arable land > 196718.love <da capo>196719.euphoria <a gift from euphoria > 196920.the field mice < skywriting >199021.satisfact <the unwanted sounds of satisfact >199622.eliane radigue <adnos 1-3>1975-198323.the zombies <odessey and oracle >196824.the associates <sulk >198225.magazine <real life > 197826.pop levi <the return to form black majick party > 200727.jay farrar / benjamin gibbard <one fast move or im gone :kerouac's big sur >200928.floraline <floraline > 199929.arthur russell <calling out of context > 200430.mccarthy <i am a wallet >198731.cluster < zuckerzeit >197432.the prisoners < thewisermiserdemelza>198333.the cardigans <long gone before daylight >200334.60ft dolls <the big 3>199635.thomas dolby <the flat earth >198436.jeffrey lee pierce <wildweed >198537.simple minds <reel to real cacophony >197938.ABC<beauty stab >198339.the bodines <played >198740.john cale <fear >197441.cocteau twins < heaven or las vegas>199042.crass <the feeding of the 5000>197843.eater <the album >197744.the dancing did <and did those feet >198245.organisation < tone float >197046.LFO <frequencies>199147.boards of canada < twoism>199548.motorbass <pansoul >199649.position normal <goodly time >200050.freestyle fellowship < innercity griots >199351. all night radio < spirit stereo frequency >200452.chick corea <my spanish heart >197653.nico < the marble index>196954.queen <queen >debut album55.the kossoy sisters <bowling green >195656.the germs < GI >197957.orphan boy < shop local >200858.the pretty things < sf sorrow >196859.cardinal < cardinal >199460.the red devils < king king >199261.michael hurley< have moicy > 197662.jens lekman < night falls over kortedala >200763.curtis mayfield < curtis live !>197164.lizzy mercier descloux< mambo nassau >200365.XTC <white music >197866.serge gainsbourg < you're under arrest >198767.the for carnation <the for carnation >200068.jarcrew <jarcrew >200369.studio < west coast >200770.huggy bear < our troubled youth >199271.this heat <deceit >198172.superstar <palm tree>199773.skinnyman <council estate of mind >200474.jeffrey foucault <ghost repeater>200675.mclusky < mclusky do dallas >200276.suicide 197777.suicide 198078.the prids < chronosynclastic >201079.moebius and plank <rastakraut pasta >198080.fleetwood mac < mirage >198281.howlin' wolf < this howling wolf's new ablum , he doesn's like it . he didn'g lke his electric guitar at first either >196982.edgar 'jones' jones < soothing music for stray cats >200583.smif -n-wessun <dah shinin ' >199584.PETE ROCK AND CL SMOOTH < MECCA AND THE SOUL BROTHER >199285.DIAMOND D <STUNTS BLUNTS AND HIP HOP>199286.MOBB DEEP <THE INFAMOUS >199587.BRAND NUBIAN < ONE FOR ALL >199088.SHIT AND SHINE< JEALOUS OF SHIT AND SHINE >200689.90 DAY MEN < CRITICAL BAND >200090.SANDY DENNY AND THE STRAWBS < ALL OUR OWN WORK>197391.FANNY <MOTHER 'S PRIDE >197392.THE GO-BETWEENS <16 LOVERS LANE >198893.THE WALKMEN <YOU AND ME >200894.JUNIOR BOYS < SO THIS IS GOODBYE >200695.FIGHT CLUB < CAT FARM FABOO >198496.BLACK REBEL MOTORCYCLE CLUB < HOWL >200597.SUN RA < THE HELIOCENTRIC WORLDS OF SUN DA >196598.JACKIE MCLEAN AND MACHAEL CARVIN < ANTIQUITY >197499.morrissey < bona drag >1990100. the buff medways < steady the buff >2002
― BIG HOOTY aka the Sapperticker (electricsound),
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh for god's sake. Anyone seriously arguing that this list is too obvious or not obscure enough is an idiot.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Clor record at #1 is, Love & Pain aside, pretty awful though.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
I might actually go and buy the NME this week to reward them for putting West Coast in there though.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
you'd have to be a beast not to like The Shaggs but I rilly don't think we need any more shmindie bands being influenced by them.
Anyway fuck polling this but I think the Black Rebel Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club made me laugh longest and hardest.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 January 2011 16:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't think the list was really ranked- when I flicked through, it was presented as "Mark Ronson's hip hop 5", "MGMT are a bit psychedelic, so here's their 10" sort of idea.
― Neil S, Monday, 3 January 2011 16:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Why should the NME readers need to check out some of the weakest albums by XTC, ABC and Queen?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
"Odessey & Oracle" is the only classic in that list btw, with "The Flat Earth" probably the closest otherwise (Thomas Dolby's classic was his debut album though).
what don't you like about young marble giants?
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
Worst album by Simple Minds up there too. This is really pointless, really. Why couldn't they have recommended "The Lexicon Of Love" and "New Gold Dream Instead". Or "Alphabet City", for that matter, which is a much better album than "Beauty Stab" and yet not at all in the "canon"?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
lexicon of love was given away as a free .flac download to suicidegirls subscribers so most nme readers have already heard it
― max bro'd (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
Then, "Alphabet City" would be the one. Or "How To Be a Zillionaire". Both really good and underrated pop albums, unlike the horrible "Beaty Stab", on which "SOS" was the only decent song.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir, why do you care what NME does? It's not like it will influence anyone in Norway.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually a lot of Norwegians read NME. We hardly have music mags here at all (market for rock specialist mags just not big enough) so we are stuck with the English and American ones. And NME/Q/Mojo/Select sell considerably better here than Rolling Stone/Spin.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Was giving a lift in my car to a couple of 22-year-old students from Manchester over Christmas, both of whom were pretty cool, highly web-literate ect. One asked "is this the Smiths?" when Bigmouth came on the stereo and the other thought the intro to It's My Life heralded a Gwen Stefanu tune. I guess the romantic in me loves the potential effect this list could have on them, especially given that it can be accessed without needing to risk precious ££ as would have been the case when I was a nipper.
― Madchen, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
the intro to It's My Life heralded a Gwen Stefanu tune
i only realised the no doubt version of this wasn't the original a few months ago! (i have never heard the original.)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
it's funny, in this thread, seeing how people are still holding a candle for the nme (or their idea of what the nme should be)
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think it ties into a need that some fans have for a canonical "paper of record", plus nostalgia for being 17? bollocks to it all tho.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah both that need and that nostalgia are basically super lol to me
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Having the Prisoners on there almost redeems the rest of the list.
― Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 08:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
btw 17 year olds have seen 8 Mile, they know what fucking Shook Ones is.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Monday, January 3, 2011 4:13 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
so why even fucking bother?
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah, everyone who saw that movie from 2002 looked up the names of the songs
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
i think it ties into a need that some fans have for a canonical "paper of record", plus nostalgia for being 17? bollocks to it all tho.― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, January 4, 2011 8:15 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
idk some people want to read informed opinion about pop music? that's the idea. same way that people still read newspapers when they could just read "citizen journalists". or when their boiler's broken they call in a plumber. otherwise you're left with, well, uninformed opinion.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
and bought the soundtrack iirc
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
It's not that 'lol', they are virtually identical.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
think she meant "they thought the song was by gwen stefani"
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Poor Dr Alban.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
some people want to read informed opinion about pop music?
yeah sure but was talking more about why people care about the NME as a "we cover everything equally well" icon rather than letting a thousand specialist comics bloom. valuing the NME in 2010 is a bit like thinking it's still 1975 in terms of how pop works and is consumed? obv the Free Market is evil but if there was that much call for well-written analysis of all strands of contemporary pop in one digestible weekly then there'd be a paper full of brilliant professional journos supplying that need?
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
can't claim to know everything on that list, but these are impeccable:
04. leadbelly < last session> 194805. the shaggs < philosophy of the world > 196906. the wipers < is this real > 198007. young marble giants < colossal youth > 198008. shonen knife < burning farm > 198312. bad brains < bad brains (roir cassette) > 198217. the red crayola < the parable of arable land > 196718. love < da capo > 196723. the zombies < odessey and oracle > 196829. arthur russell < calling out of context > 200431. cluster < zuckerzeit > 197435. thomas dolby < the flat earth > 198440. john cale < fear > 197442. crass < the feeding of the 5000 > 197845. organisation < tone float > 197053. nico < the marble index > 196954. queen < queen > 197356. the germs < GI > 197958. the pretty things < sf sorrow > 196861. michael hurley < have moicy > 197663. curtis mayfield < curtis live! > 197164. lizzy mercier descloux < mambo nassau > 200365. XTC < white music > 197866. serge gainsbourg < you're under arrest > 198769. studio < west coast > 200771. this heat < deceit > 198175. mclusky < mclusky do dallas > 200276. suicide < suicide > 197779. moebius and plank < rastakraut pasta > 198080. fleetwood mac < mirage > 198281. howlin' wolf < this howling wolf's new album, he doesn't like it. he didn't like his electric guitar at first either. > 196986. mobb deep < the infamous > 199588. shit and shine < jealous of shit and shine > 200697. sun ra < the heliocentric worlds of sun ra > 1965
good list
― carles marx (contenderizer), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
i.e. in terms of "paper of record" I'm not playing the "bloggers can do everything paid journos can do" game but I am suggesting that somebody dropped the canon down the stairs and now it's all in bits and the NME in the Tweenties represents a slightly Quixotic effort at sellotaping all those bits back together.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
better than nothing imo. sorry i mean 'better than pitchfork'.
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
It is a good list, and the fact that they would even approach this sort of thing means that the Conor Mc era is well over and thank god. (It's clearly an issue made up at their leisure to be produced during the office closure over christmas)
A couple years ago, they asked for 'readers' to make up a 'focus group', I couldn't go but I do have to say they've done all the things I would have suggested.
To be fair though, there was a long period where loads of Music mags closed, so even managing to keep the paper existing is something that gives credit to McNic, but if the product is lame it's not worth saving.
Now, the product is not lame. OK, I don't need a Pulp retrospective, but someone does. And they had better have a wonderful Beefheart tribute issue now, they've had plenty of time (due to the guy dying just after the christmas issue went to press)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 09:40 (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
because most of the world doesn't know or care about them, but they should, because they are good. I'm not sure if I can break down the basic premise of this feature any more than that
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
i agree with that and i am enjoying flicking through new nme while bored on my work break. my problem was always with mark ronson than the nme btw. i remember him back when he'd go on about kool g rap records, now he seems to be almost shunning his hiphop background as if its beneath him. even his blurbs were just like 'couldn't you ask a black person, i cover smiths songs now fyi'.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mark Ronson OTM on that last bit to be fair.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, it's like anyone asked about "specialist" genres being cautious, ending up on a "you think XXXXX was Groundbreaking? YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT..." snob journo's lance.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol. props on having diamond d tho, that record is my jam.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually I'd say that in many of the ways that matter (y'know, like, the writing) the NME is still pretty poor. The fact that they're now repping for the Red Krayola is neither here nor there really. In those terms, NME is usually "better" in fallow periods for guitar music, and we're certainly in one now.
On Conor McNicholas, I'd say he was a very very good brand-builder and a not very good magazine editor, and he was lucky that his tenure coincided with a huge commercial boom for guitar music. Now, no one seemingly knows what to rep for to keep the kids interested, and a result they're deserting the mag even more than they were in the past.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 10:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
Most quibbling about the list misses the point that it's selected by musicians, not critics, and you have to give musicians a little leeway if you want them in your mag, hence not going back to Weller to ask him to choose something other than O&O, and not having a go at Ronson for including Mobb Deep. It doesn't even make sense to discuss this as a list when it's just a precis of a long feature, and there's no objective way of deciding which albums should or should not be on there, unless NME keeps a test-case 17-year-old in a broom cupboard and every now and again they pop their heads in and say, "Have you heard of Pete Rock & CL Smooth?"
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 11:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, those kids do need to check out "Odessey & Oracle", but the rest of the list may be put to rest (unless they have the rest of Queen's catalogue and are Queen completists)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
surely you've got time for McCarthy's jingly jangly melodicness G?
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir in not liking BUCKTOWN shockah
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ugh, that typo coming back to haunt me in your quotes :(
― Madchen, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol i've never heard 'odessey & oracle', but then i've never a paul weller album either
(not really sure why he got the call tbqh)
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
revered by dudes revered by dudes who are current NME faves
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah i was going to say, i doubt twenty-something musicians spend a lot of time on weller... unless the style council's house phase is 'in' again i suppose
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
Not that they have much in common, mind you. The former were an absolutely classy psych pop band, the latter is an old guy who used to be brilliant with his original 60s pop influenced band in the late 70s/early 80s, then discvoered R&B and has never quite managed to return to former glories.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
always sad to see a successful act lose its way thru hackneyed repetition
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir was successful?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Hey toots, Weller has always liked R&B. Isn't he like a mod or something? I mean, there's a cover of 'In the Midnight Hour' on This Is The Modern World from 1977 right?
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes, he has liked R&B, but it didn't completely dominate his style until the Style Council years. There's a huge amount of Beatles/Kinks/Small Faces in The Jam that didn't follow him through to Style Council and his solo work.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
And, I mean, basically the songwriting style and vocal style on his solo work is the same as on the Style Council work, even though there are less synths and the drums and bass are less funky. There was a certain Beatles-factor to his songwriting that was lost somewhere around "The Gift" and he has never really found it back.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:56 (2 years ago) Permalink
okay, i think i finally need to killfile geir now
― this guy ☜ (stevie), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
He moved on. progressed His latest 2 albums are the best things he's done in the past 20 odd years, after being in a dadrock rut in the mid-late 90s. And all credit to him for that, even if his vox aren't that great.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 14:58 (2 years ago) Permalink
Discussing the merits or lack of them of Paul Weller is a bit like discussing the merits of a table. He's just there, just a bit dull.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
96.BLACK REBEL MOTORCYCLE CLUB < HOWL >2005
loooooooooooool
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
His latest 2 albums may have been more interesting in a way, but he is still standing still in terms of songwriting. Plus I cannot stand the overcompressed sound he seems to like these days. The songs may be better on the last two albums, but the production was much better on "Stanley Road" with its clear sound and extreme Ocean Colour Scene-like stereo separatation.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
the further ocean colour scene are separated from my stereo the better
― we could play games, idk (ledge), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
damn right, so glad he moved away from that shite
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ledge, I am totally putting a pint in the post for you right now.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, the best thing about OCS is their production, although they too have become more compressed and less stereo-friendly lately.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
Can I get a coke?xp
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm not buying a fucking round here.
― O Permaban (NickB), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
Can a mod maybe linkify that picture please? Don't think anybody at work wants to see a bottle of Coke being pissed on.
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 15:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought it was an erect penis made of ice but fair do's.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't think anybody at work wants to see a bottle of Coke being pissed on.
If they work for Pepsi, they do. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 16:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
LOL
― slouching, unshaven, thick-necked, unstylish, pig-eyed (ilxor), Tuesday, 4 January 2011 17:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Compare the "100 albums you never heard" with Q Mag's "100 albums voted for by our readers, i.e. 100 albums you have heard"...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
ronsons page was good. yeah mobb deep isnt exactly non canonical but its not exactly talked about much in the nme is it? and though i do get that hes trying to 'move on' past his hip hop background, its not like hes ever totally abandoned it. hes just playing the media/industry game. plus him selecting hip hop is more likely to get nme readers (whoever they may be these days) to check brand nubian, smif n wessun etc out than say, dizzee or someone (though dizzee would never have picked those groups).
weller for my money started getting really dull and worthy in the early/mid 90s. when he started getting treated like an elder statesmen/national treasure, that just made it worse. that aside, i like hearing what he has to say, esp in that julian temple documentary last year, even if it is a bit 'we need a revolution maaaan' though at least that has a bit of optimism to it, whereas a lot of modern musicians are too cynical to say something like that.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Is The Blueprint, Life After Death, All Eyez On Me or Raising Hell talked about more in NME? NO BECAUSE THEY DON'T COVER ANY HIP-HOP.
I can't even remember what I was really pissed off about anymore. Everything I guess.
17 year olds are more interested in Tinie Tempah than Mumford & Sons. Cover some black people, yo.
― irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
life and times of shawn carter, ready to die, and me against the world are all better though. :P
they shouldnt cover tinie tempah, but they should cover tempa t. cover some black people is a good policy, just not crap ones.
― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
ok yes but you know what i mean
― "jobs" (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
Has The NME Got Game?
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
17 year olds are more interested in Tinie Tempah than Mumford & Sons.
Maybe in London.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, we now have something to say NO!! to the thread question but will warm the norwegian cockles of Geir's heart.
There must be 10 different covers as the one I saw in the supermarket had a different cover.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:26 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Only Two different.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
2 covers I mean
We’re beginning 2011 in style with our legendary New Music Issue, the essential guide to the 10 brightest and best bands to get on before anyone else this year. One of the big stories already developing is, The Welcome Return of British Guitar Bands, and as such we’ve got two different covers featuring the two leading lights of that: The Vaccines and Brother.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Welcome Return of British Guitar Bands
did they have a weekend off?
― nanoflymo (ledge), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
was going to use the other thread but this one will do.
DIE.
― fndgo, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
the other cover is a lot worse. The most punchable band I've seen in a long long time. And i bet the music is just as shit.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh wtf, when did this section start?http://www.nme.com/metal
Do they have a metal section in the actual mag now?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
got a strong 'second coming of Northern Uproar' vibe from the NME's interview with that Brother band a few weeks back (not heard their music) which I'm down w/ for amusement value as long as it doesn't actually involve them being successful
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Brother
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh good grief, Brother look like the worst band ever. "Brother! You know what else had brothers... Oasis. Do you see????"
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
The lead singer is called Lee um
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
Gig U Missed:
Meanwhile, the Slough-based newcomers are playing the This Feeling club night at the Vibe Bar in London tonight (December 31).Also on the bill are Life In Film, former Seahorses frontman Chris Helme and a string quartet playing songs by the likes of Oasis, Kasabian and The Verve.
Also on the bill are Life In Film, former Seahorses frontman Chris Helme and a string quartet playing songs by the likes of Oasis, Kasabian and The Verve.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Haha if those guys showed up at your party you'd be like *sigh*
― progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
oh my god they're REAL?
hahahahahahahahaha I somehow stumbled across them already but thought it was parody, may have been festively merry...
― fndgo, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
omg chris helme? the worst singer in the history of music LOLOLOLOL
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes Brother seem unusually dire from what I somewhere read on them, somewhere that took them and the Vaccines seriously - I know, it was the Friday Guardian! I was a bit shocked.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
not shocked (now)
― fndgo, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
Chris Helme basically turns up on the top floors of various London pubs to busk for money now doesn't he?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
that brother photo is used (bigger version) on the other NME cover btw. Hopefully someone will find the actual cover so you can all see it in its full horror
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyway it seems pretty obvious that the NME are hoping that 2011=2001 and The Vaccines are the new Strokes that will usher in a new era of stuff that might actually sell magazines, but the general climate doesn't feel right for that just now.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 12:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
The NME and Q readership is not strictly the same. Q readers are probably more familiar with older stuff from the 60s-80s whereas, on the other hand, they are considerably more sceptical towards whatever NME tout as the "next big thing" (and also more faithful to it if they like it, i.e. not hating the "next big thing" half a year later when it has actually become big).
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:10 (2 years ago) Permalink
No, but upthread the point was made that NME's list was fulfilling a similar need for people too young for Q. I dispute that point, Q is just doing the comfortable "yes, we all like these records don't we?"
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
h8 the vaccines just because their name makes me think of the vaselines who i love and i dunno that makes me hold them to an even higher standard of contempt than the one i am already holding them to.
don't think i'm ever going to actively listen to another new british indie band again in my life.*
*most probably a lie, unfortunately. or the scene decides that the cocteau twins are the only influence worth having and i go :D
― "jobs" (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost The Friday Guardian piece didn't take Brother seriously, but did the Vaccines.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
No, but upthread the point was made that NME's list was fulfilling a similar need for people too young for Q
I'd say it partly does. Not least because it contains hardly no recent albums at all. But sure, rebellious youngsters may not want to have a lot of Beatles albums recommended to them. Not now.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Um, does the Q list have loads of Beatles albums in it?
Actually I can answer that: The list is only of albums issued since Q first started...
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 13:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
just popping in to lol at butthurt rap nerds itt
― dayo, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME staying classy in their metal blog section
http://www.nme.com/blog/index.php?blog=149&title=homophobia_in_metal_shamefully_it_still_&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 18:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
and the anti-metal posts by nme readers are predictable and lazy too
Bolshie [Visitor] //December 20 2010 at 19:06Metal is all about the macho and the ignorant. BNP supporters and Mel Gibson fans. Is it really a surprise that they have a problem with homosexuality, as well? Jordan [Visitor] //December 20 2010 at 16:54It's not just the terrible grunts and ridiculous unlistenable noise that gives Metal the name "Caveman music" Jack [Visitor] //December 20 2010 at 19:25well think about it mate. Liking metal in itself is such an inhertently childish thing that what do you expect? If the way you like to spend your time is listening to the fucking nasty noise that is metal, then having stupid views on other things isn't a big leap is it? When a significant scene of the genre is 'white-power' or 'church bombing' then saying a band is gay is not the biggest issue about. Also, in a lot of cases, when people say something is gay, or an american says something is faggy, they don't always mean it's homosexual, just that it's lame, and why that isn't right, at least it isn't homophobic.
Jordan [Visitor] //December 20 2010 at 16:54It's not just the terrible grunts and ridiculous unlistenable noise that gives Metal the name "Caveman music"
Jack [Visitor] //December 20 2010 at 19:25well think about it mate. Liking metal in itself is such an inhertently childish thing that what do you expect? If the way you like to spend your time is listening to the fucking nasty noise that is metal, then having stupid views on other things isn't a big leap is it? When a significant scene of the genre is 'white-power' or 'church bombing' then saying a band is gay is not the biggest issue about. Also, in a lot of cases, when people say something is gay, or an american says something is faggy, they don't always mean it's homosexual, just that it's lame, and why that isn't right, at least it isn't homophobic.
Who said metal was hip in indie circles? It certainly isn't in the UK
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
TBF, literally everything on NME.com attracts both vicious and stupid commentary.
― Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
yeah I think they're 'NME readers' like the libertarian swivelheads on CiF are 'Guardian readers' (ie they might be, but it's such a nutbar magnet it's impossible to tell)
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
I cant see metal fans being any worse than fans of other genres or people in general tbh. Im sure metal has come a long way since the days of sebastian bach & axl rose. That sort of behaviour wouldn't be tolerated anymore. Over on forever doomed, if anyone says something is "gay" or is "a fag" they get angry responses and a ban if they continue. Not every metal messageboard is like a pantera or ozzy/zakk wyle board. Those type of boards are always mocked by a lot of metal boards. I doubt lairy indie gigs are a great place to go to. Oasis concerts aren't exactly full of enlightened punters. I used to go see oasis in the 90s and by the time of loch lomond every beer monster in scotland was into them, and with all the bottle fights etc it was certainly no fun. I doubt Knebworth was much better. Since Britpop, Indie has attracted a lot of assholes. NME should be dealing with that before having a go at metal or hip hop etc
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
And your kerrang reader might like a lot of shite bands, but i dont think they could be accused of homophobia now.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
I dunno who is worse - the NME or the readers of NME on the message board.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 22:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
Even Pitchfork gets metal more than the NME does.
NME writes about metal and hip-hop much more often than Kerrang or The Source write about indie though.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'll wager that's untrue.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink
In the 90s Kerrang covered a lot of alt-rock and they covered white stripes and the hives etc too in the 00s. So Geir, you're wrong.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
lol metal is shit
― moholy-nagl (history mayne), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
I thought metal had lots of gay or bisexual fans. I mean "metal" as opposed to "I just like to rock the fuck out" dinosaur types. Go to a metal show and you see leather and tattoos and piercings, not the kind of people to judge someone else's lifestyle.
Mass market "indie" has, IME, loads of straight people who just don't feel "comfortable" with homosexuality, not that they are prejudiced or anything because that would be illiberal and bad.
― Cubby Wubby Nubby Hubby Dubby (u s steel), Wednesday, 5 January 2011 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Metal has a lot of gay and bisexual fans. Not as much as like, industrial, but... well, I know a lot of metal dudes who like them some cock.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Go to a metal show and you see leather and tattoos and piercings, not the kind of people to judge someone else's lifestyle.
haven't really found that the first thing is that likely to preclude the second thing, tbh, but maybe my experience isn't the norm
― Scilk Mahouthy (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 6 January 2011 00:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Grunge = metal. I am speaking of proper indie, you know, Britpop!
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
I mean, stuff that doesn't "rock" at all in any possible way.
geir has never heard of indie rock?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, yep, indie rock exists. But if seems so important for some of you to open indie pop fans' ears to hip-hop and metal, why wouldn't it be equally important to open hip-hop-fans and metal-fans to highly melodic classic and smooth POP?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
My point here. At least NME (although Q are probably better at it) review a lot of metal and hip-hop. Yes, maybe just the biggest acts, but at least they review them.
How many reviews of Crowded House or Blur were there in Kerrang or Source or Mixmag?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Oh, and NME review mainstream chart pop too. Do Kerrang review mainstream chart pop (and I am not speaking of typical albums acts like AC/DC or Iron Maiden here=?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
Kerrang in the 80s covered U2, Prince, Kate Bush, Bryan Adams, Michael Bolton. + a whole bunch of crappy glam pop-metal acts. It's always covered pop metal bands.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyway Geir, NME, Q are general music magazines, they are supposed to cover all kinds of music. Mixmag, Source,Kerrang are specialist magazines.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pop metal=metal.
But sure, Kerrang is probably a bit more openminded than specialist mags for harder metal genres, whose fans don't even consider Iron Maiden or Guns'n'Roses to be hard rock, but rather just "rock".
Not to mention magazines like The Source or Mixmag, who would never even dream of covering something that doesn't contain rap/does not work on the dancefloors of the clubs.
NME and Q cover the biggest names from metal, hard rock, hip-hop and techno/dance. Surely, it is probably a waste of space, just like it would be if Mixmag had done a powerpop special. But at least they do, and then I think it's a bit unfair to claim that NME and Q need to be more openminded when actually they are more openminded towards hip-hop, dance and metal than hip-hop, dance or metal mags will ever be towards indie rock/indie pop.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME and Q's readers are into indie and various kinds of (non metal) "rock". And that is really what they want to read about too.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
And if you are speaking of the fans I think they are on an equal level.
Rock/pop fans are not openminded towards anything else than rock and perhaps classic popHip-hip fans are not openminded towards anything else than hip-hop and perhaps R&BDance fans are not openminded towards anything else than dance and maybe a bit of R&B or hip-hop as long as they can dance to itMetal fans are not openminded towards anything else than metal and maybe some of the hardest non-metal rock.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir, I know ilx metal fans aren't atypical metal fans, but even outside of ilx i know loads who like many forms of dance music but especially IDM. Neurosis fans especially tend to be Aphex Twin fans. Many love hip hop. Many love indie rock esp 80s & 90s stuff. On metal boards ive discussed pfunk (surprise surprise) ,krautrock,classic pop & rock of the kind you love, avant garde,prog rock, the list is endless.Possibly if you are talking about the fans of the most mainstream acts in those genres you might be right, but then, a lot of people do like basically anything that gets in the charts, whether its indie pop, pop rap, pop dance, pop rnb,popmetal etc.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
Now, ILX posters are mostly openminded towards anything except for traditionally structure melodic songs written and performed by white guys with guitars after 1990.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 03:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Wednesday, January 5, 2011 7:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
For the record, some of my favorite bands include Electric Wizard, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath AND The New Pornographers, Mates of State, Yo La Tengo, and The Eels... so its quite possible to be a fan of both metal and indie pop.
Also, I know a few dudes who listen to only hip-hop, r&b, and stoner rock/metal.
So, this dichotomy of pop vs. metal, I believe, is a false one.
― no pop, no style -- all simply (Viceroy), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
And I love a lot of indie pop too. Plus my favourite album ever is Forever Changes. A lot of the 60s pop geir likes, I do too.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 04:21 (2 years ago) Permalink
Does Geir like Forever Changes?
― Urban Coochie Collective (sic), Thursday, 6 January 2011 05:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Algerian Goalkeeper: I agree with a lot of what you're saying but generally speaking NME is an indie magazine not a general magazine and has been since I've been reading it. (i.e. Since the early 80s.)
― Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 09:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
How many reviews of Crowded House were there in Kerrang or Source or Mixmag?― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:20 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 02:20 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Same number as in NME over the past 10.
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:01 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but the thing is that the NME pretends to be a generalist music magazine. Kerrang or Mixmag or Classic Rock magazine don't.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm not sure that it does really but as I'm not going to start arguing devil's advocate for NME, I'll leave this here.
― Cosby You! Black Emperor (Doran), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah but the thing is that the NME pretends to be a generalist music magazine
only in the sense that pitchfork does. this is what's long irked me, it's trying to have your cake and eat it - they lay claim to generalism, but as soon as anyone criticises either for not actually being very generalist at all, it's all "we're an indie publication! we have to cater to our readers!"
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't think that the NME has ever explicitly laid claim to being either "indie" or "generalist". It's never hemmed itself in with definitions, has it?
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pitchfork is about as generalist as a generalist music magazine can get btw. Stylus and Plan B were maybe better but rip.
When I used to read it btw the Source used to cover indie. It was at the rise of lol pharrell is wearing skinny jeans and holding a skateboard tho.
― "jobs" (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
well yeah that's the having cake/eating it thing isn't it?
"we are ~beyond categorisation~ but it just happens that 90% of what we cover is indie"
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
i mean no one ever explicitly states that generalism is their raison d'être - it's more implied through, yes, not specifically categorising oneself
― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
The NME certainly laid claim to generalism in the 90s, "we cover what we consider to be good regardless of genre" was its line. And while they did cover most things they were still heavily weighted towards indie.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 10:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
The NME exists to make money, so it's whatever kind of publications the editors think will do that.
― Madchen, Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Editors/owners, I mean.
Reinvention as a softcore porn and gadgets weekly coming up in 2 weeks then
― Shanty! Shanti! Shanté! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Don't be stupid. No one pays for porn any more.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 12:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
haha ot but I love how geir's example of extreme stereo "separatation" is Ocean Colour Scene. never change, man
― missingNO, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir discovers audiophilia is sure to be a goldmine in the future.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 13:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
When I started reading NME in the very early 90s they insisted they were a pop magazine (and in one of those bands review songs things Thom Yorke claimed Radiohead were a pop band).They definitely liked to give the impression that they were a general music magazine not just indie.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 14:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Did NME cover a lot of hip-hop in the late 80s?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink
Rap makes the front cover, 1988
― onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think the Beasties made the cover a couple of times in the 80s, maybe Public Enemy (I remember them on cover of Melody Maker, not sure about NME). Then not much else until Wu-Tang about 5 years later.
They always had a couple of non indie record reviews and the occasional feature but it was never really a as broad a publication as it professed to be imo (I read MM and NME from around 84-90).
― onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:14 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME May 30 1981.
― Madchen, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
― Stevie T, Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
'Hip-hop' covers, 85-90 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NME_covers. Definitely was a change in coverage around 89/90 and by 92 it was pretty much entirely indie. * 09/03/85 Run-D.M.C. * 15/03/86 Mantronix * 19/07/86 Run-D.M.C. * 13/09/86 The Yo Boys (article about hip hop by Paolo Hewitt) * 27/09/86 Trouble Funk * 17/01/87 Beastie Boys * 04/04/87 Salt-n-Pepa * 09/05/87 Def Jam * 27/06/87 Trouble Funk * 10/10/87 Chuck D and Eric B * 23/01/88 Sweet Tee * 07/05/88 Derek B * 08/10/88 Public Enemy * 24/06/89 Tone Loc * 21/10/89 De La Soul * 03/11/90 Public Enemy
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mid-80s there was plenty of non-indie, because it had a big soul boy contingent - Cosgrove, Simon Witter, Danny Kelly, Don Watson (I think) - who also wanted to get plenty of hip-hop in. There wasn't all that much hip-hop in the actual mag, but there wasn't all that much hip-hop around and accessible in the UK in those days. They went big on acid house, with writers like Jack Barron and Helen Mead, but once that phase passed, the indie supremacy - which had been coming through from the rise of the Smiths, and expanded with C86 - was all but complete.
Certainly, as an indie teenager reading NME in the mid-80s, I used to get up with issues where there were no features, or just small ones, on indie guitar bands (even if they dominated the reviews). Those issues weren't infrequent.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink
"get fed up" not "get up"
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
There was also a notable jazz/avant clique at the time (Richard Cook/Biba Kopf/Don Watson/Mr Sinker late of this parish) who mostly decamped to the Wire later, this was ditched even faster than the coverage of hip-hop/r&b.
― State Attorney Foxhart Cubycheck (Billy Dods), Thursday, 6 January 2011 18:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mind you, UK indie was largely nonexistant in the late 80s/early 90s. OK, so it existed, but it was very much underground and would only occasionally produce a chart hit. The indie charts, by the late 80s, were dominated by the likes of Kylie Minogue and Jason Donovan, who were both on the independent PWL label.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mind you, UK indie was largely nonexistant in the late 80s/early 90s.
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mind you, funk was largely nonexistant in the late 60s/early 70s
― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Pitchfork is about as generalist as a generalist music magazine can get btw
Pardon me while I laugh till I spit up a lung.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink
Mind you, UK indie was largely nonexistant in the late 80s/early 90s. OK, so it existed, but it was very much underground
I think you might be forgetting the Stone Roses, the Charlatans, Primal Scream, Ride, My Bloody Valentine...
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost Geir, who knows where to start with that statement? First, indie really started hitting the charts properly from 1988/89, which was when the majors really started looking to sign previously indie bands, or band who sounded indie, on a widespread basis. Second, the NME wasn't a chart publication. It didn't matter if the bands it covered weren't in the charts. That what Smash Hits was for.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes, but they were still not as huge as the new wave bands were in the late 70s/early 80s or the Britpop bands would be in the mid 90s. Even Stone Roses or The Smiths never had anything close to a number one single. The Smiths didn't even hit top 10 with any of their singles.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Even Stone Roses or The Smiths never had anything close to a number one single
True, 'One Love' only got to number 2.
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Whoops no, I'm thinking of 'Love Spreads'. 'One Love' got to number four.
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also the Smiths had two number one albums and five number two's in the UK.
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir, you didn't say "Indie bands weren't reaching No 1 in the singles charts". You said "UK indie was largely nonexistent." And that's rubbish. The edition of Top of the Pops in November 1989 which featured the Stone Roses and the Happy Mondays was one of the defining moments for UK indie - the point at which indie bands had finally seemed to make it among all the Michael Bolton and Richrd Marx.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
thanks for the link Billy Dods - 16 hip-hop covers in 6 years really isn't a lot is it (especially considering those were peak years for NWA & Public Enemy)? They had 5 Jesus and Mary Chain covers in the same period.
Just did a ctrl-f "oasis" and got 55 hits on that page.
― onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:25 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Smiths didn't even hit top 10 with any of their singles.
Three top ten ten singles, toots:
10 Smiths Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now Jun 198410 Smiths Sheila Take A Bow Apr 19878 Smiths This Charming Man (re-issue) Aug 1992
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
70s/early 80s new wave number one's:The Boomtown Rats: Rat TrapIan Dury: Hit Me With Your Rhythm StickThe Boomtown Rats: I Don't Like MondaysThe Police: Message In a BottleThe Police: Walking On The MoonThe Specials: The Special AKA LiveThe Jam: Going Underground/Dreams Of ChildrenThe Jam: StartThe Police: Don't Stand So Close To MeThe Specials: Ghost TownThe Police: Every Little Thing She Does Is MagicThe Jam: A Town Called MaliceMadness: House Of FunThe Jam: Beat SurrenderThe Police: Every Breath You Take
Then, unless you count Housemartins, The Beautiful South and a novelty one-off from Vic Reeves and The Wonderstuff (and even the last couple from The Police are arguable), it would take twelve years until the next number one that might pass as indie, starting another rush of indie #1s in the 90s and 00s:
Oasis: Some Might SayBlur: Country HouseOasis: Don't Look Back In AngerBlur: BeetlebumOasis: D'You Know What I MeanThe Verve: The Drugs Don't WorkOasis: All Around The WorldManic Street Preachers: If You Tolerate This Your Children Will Be NextManic Street Preachers: The Masses Against The ClassesOasis: Go Let It Out
The point being: Indie type music was not close to as commercially huge in the UK in the late 80s/early 90s as it was in the new wave era or during the Britpop era.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
The list of hip-hop covers is a bit misleading, cos it suggests every other cover was indie. Look instead at how few covers were indie during 1986, the year indie became associated with jangling guitars and the highwatermark year of the definitive NME indie band, the Smiths:
* 04/01/86 The Cramps * 11/01/86 Andy Warhol and Debbie Harry * 18/01/86 Billy Bragg and Junior (Red Wedge issue) * 25/01/86 Easterhouse * 01/02/86 Punk - Ten Years On * 08/02/86 John Lydon * 15/02/86 Big Audio Dynamite * 22/02/86 Keith Richards * 01/03/86 Comics * 08/03/86 Sigue Sigue Sputnik * 15/03/86 Mantronix * 22/03/86 Absolute Beginners * 29/03/86 The Shop Assistants * 05/04/86 Hipsway * 12/04/86 Samantha Fox * 19/04/86 Test Dept * 26/04/86 Prince (blurred image) * 03/05/86 Sade * 10/05/86 Barry McGuigan * 17/05/86 Boy George * 24/05/86 Janet Jackson * 31/05/86 The Mighty Lemon Drops * 07/06/86 Morrissey * 14/06/86 Why British black music has no chance - polemical piece by Paolo Hewitt * 21/06/86 Sonic Youth * 28/06/86 George Michael * 05/07/86 The Jesus and Mary Chain * 12/07/86 Matt Johnson of The The * 19/07/86 Run-D.M.C. * 26/07/86 Zodiac Mindwarp * 02/08/86 Jam and Lewis * 09/08/86 Chicago house * 16/08/86 Mick Hucknall of Simply Red * 23/08/86 David Sylvian * 30/08/86 Daley Thompson * 06/09/86 Dwight Yoakam * 13/09/86 The Yo Boys (article about hip hop by Paolo Hewitt) * 20/09/86 Sex (themed issue), also a free EP - Phil Oakey of The Human League * 27/09/86 Trouble Funk * 04/10/86 Blackie Lawless of W.A.S.P. * 11/10/86 Big Audio Dynamite * 18/10/86 Courtney Pine * 25/10/86 Voting (themed issue) * 01/11/86 Shinehead * 08/11/86 Youth suicide (almost all-black cover, later voted the worst cover in its history by the NME itself) * 15/11/86 Cilla Black * 22/11/86 Swing Out Sister * 29/11/86 Sly and Robbie * 06/12/86 Elvis Presley (though the cover story in this issue, written by Stuart Cosgrove, was actually a criticism of the US military presence in Britain using Presley's image as symbolic, not an article about Presley himself) * 13/12/86 Madonna * 20/12/86 Pet Shop Boys
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
"One Love" is the biggest here, as re-released Smiths singles and Stone Roses' comeback singles from a time when indie was starting to become more commercially popular again doesn't really count. The Smiths didn't become really huge as a singles act until the bad had long since broken up and bands like Suede caused new generations to become interested in their influences.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:32 (2 years ago) Permalink
X-Post: They certainly got a lot of shit from their readers after that Sam Fox cover though. :)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir. none of those "new wave" No 1s can be compared to the indie bands of the mid 80s. You've got a mod band, a pub rocker, some R&B chancers from Dublin who got on the back of punk, a ska band and a corporate behemoth of a band. It's like listing a load of apples and then saying orange trees didn't produce any apples like that.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
Btw. upthread I am using a rather narrow definition of new wave. Using the US definition would mean most early 80s number ones were new wave, but it would also make it meaningless to see new wave as a forerunner of indie.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
Those were all bands that became popular on the back of punk, which is surely where "indie" started.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yes, cos the Police were definitely forerunners of the Mary Chain, eh?
And every Smiths single from This Charming Man went into the proper charts Geir, with repeated Top of the Pops appearances.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
Early Police was definitely rather punky. It is disputable whether "Every Breath You Take" is, but that would just make the gap even larger.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink
And, yes, they went into the charts, but they never managed to compete with the likes of Wham!, Frankie Goes To Hollywood and Pet Shop Boys.
The Jam, Oasis, Blur and even Arctic Monkeys were all among the most popular bands in the UK based upon singles charts dominance. The Smiths were never close to that.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:41 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'm willing to bet that the Smiths have sold a shit-ton more singles than the Arctic Monkeys.
― O Permaban (NickB), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir, you weren't talking about charts you said this
And because you were proved wrong you have tried to move the goalposts.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir will never ever admit he's wrong, surely you all know this by now?
― Matt DC, Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Also here's the NME's Top 20 albums from the same year, a fairly varied list:
1. Parade - Prince & The Revolution 2. Rapture - Anita Baker 3. Control - Janet Jackson 4. Evol - Sonic Youth 5. Word Up - Cameo 6. Graceland - Paul Simon 7. Bend Sinister - The Fall 8. Rasin' Hell - Run-DMC9. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths 10. The Album - Mantronix 11. Nelson Mandela - Youssou N'dour 12. Life's Rich Pageant - R.E.M.13. Blood And Chocolate - Elvis Costello 14. King Of America - Elvis Costello 15. Your Funeral... My Trial - Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds 16. Schoolly D - Schoolly D 17. Rough & Rugged - Shinehead 18. Tutu - Miles Davis 19. Say What! - Trouble Funk 20. Liberty Belle & The Black Diamond Express - The Go-Betweens
I mean I only started reading the NME in 1995 when it was pretty much regarded as an indie magazine by everyone I knew but I realised this can't always have been the case (most obviously because it'd been around far longer than indie music had).
― Gavin in Leeds, Thursday, 6 January 2011 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think cover artists are important in identifying who they were trying to sell to (see 55 x Oasis and more than 20 x Stone Roses even years after they split).
― onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
That's true. But through the mid-80s they were trying to sell an awful lot more than just indie. That list of 86 covers has only five by acts of the kind codified as "indie music"- Easterhouse, Lemon Drops, Morrissey, Mary Chain, Shop Assistants. You could add to that Test Dept, Sonic Youth, the Cramps and Billy Bragg - but that's still less than a fifth of the year's covers, which is astounding by the standards of the past 20 years.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME's top albums of the 80s pretty much ignores 1986 - much more of an indie/post-punk slant.
1. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses ‘892. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths ‘853. Three Feet High And Rising - De La Soul ‘894. Sign ‘O’ The Times - Prince ‘875. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back - Public Enemy ‘886. Psychocandy - Jesus And Mary Chain ‘857. Hatful Of Hollow - The Smiths ‘848. Closer - Joy Division ‘809. Sound Affects - The Jam ‘8010. Low-Life - New Order ‘8511. Remain In Light - Talking Heads ‘8012. Searching For The Young Soul Rebels - Dexy’s Midnight Runners ‘8013. Bummed - Happy Mondays ‘8914. Surfer Rosa - Pixies ‘8815. The Lexicon Of Love - ABC ‘8216. Swordfishtrombones - Tom Waits ‘8317. Kilimanjaro - The Teardrop Explodes ‘8018. Dare - The Human League ‘8119. Parade - Prince ‘8620. 16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens ‘8821. Rain Dogs - Tom Waits ‘8522. This Nation’s Saving Grace - The Fall ‘8523. Rum, Sodomy And The Lash - The Pogues ‘8524. The Smiths - The Smiths ‘8425. Blood & Chocolate - Elvis Costello ‘8626. Don’t Stand Me Down - Dexy’s Midnight Runners ‘8527. The Eight Legged Groove Machine - The Wonder Stuff ‘8828. Crocodiles - Echo And The Bunnymen ‘8029. Nebraska - Bruce Springsteen ‘8230. The Nightfly - Donald Fagen ‘8231. Talking With The Taxman About Poetry - Billy Bragg ‘8632. Miss America - Mary Margaret O’Hara ‘8833. Rattlesnakes - Lloyd Cole & The Commotions ‘8434. George Best - The Wedding Present ‘8735. Atomiser - Big Black ‘8736. My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts - David Byrne & Brian Eno ‘8137. Sister - Sonic Youth ‘8738. Straight Out Of The Jungle - The Jungle Brothers ‘8839. Heaven Up Here - Echo And The Bunnymen ‘8140. Green - REM ‘8841. Imperial Bedroom - Elvis Costello ‘8242. You Can’t Hide Your Love Forever - Orange Juice ‘8243. Midnight Love - Marvin Gaye ‘8244. Like A Prayer - Madonna ‘8945. Beautiful Vision - Van Morrison ‘8246. Infected - The The ‘8647. Meat Is Murder - The Smiths ‘8548. New York - Lou Reed ‘8949. Yo! Bum Rush The Show - Public Enemy ‘8750. Warehouse: Songs And Stories - Husker Du ‘87
from http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/607080.html
― onimo, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd argue it has had a "punk" edge to its general writing policy since, well, since punk. Which has also naturally caused it to be very pro-indie, since indie has basically the same roots as punk.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:17 (2 years ago) Permalink
NME's top albums of the 80s pretty much ignores 1986
While I personally consider 1986 to have been a good music vintage (IMO it got much, much worse later in the decade), it can be argued that 1986 was sort of a no-man's-land between two phases in the 80s. The new romantics/synthpop age was pretty much coming to and end. Surely, you had Pet Shop Boys and Erasure and a-ha who were building on the heritage from that era but the arrival of sampling and FM synths meant that they still sounded very different from what the new romantic/synth bands in the early 80s had sounded like. And many of the biggest new romantic/synth names struggled commercially in 1986 compared to earlier (Human League did sort of a comeback, but with a single that was closer to R&B than synthpop).
On the other hand, hip-hop and hair metal, save for the occasional appearance in the charts (Run DMC, Europe, Bon Jovi) were still largely US phenomenons while house music had still to cross over from the Chicago club scene. So the dominant trends of the late 80s had yet to really settle.
So it is no wonder that 1986 may fall outside what is usually considered "representative" of the 80s, and as such, maybe no wonder it performs badly. Surprised not to see "Graceland" in there though.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink
("The Queen Is Dead" is 1986 not 1985 though)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
20. 16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens ‘88
interesting, i was wondering what kind of alltime lists go-betweens, felt & "the marble index" -- three acts singled out as not obscure upthread -- appeared on.
― zvookster, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
I want to see Geir interviewed by Paxman.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:27 (2 years ago) Permalink
Tho even paxman would get fed up after 2 hours of geir refusing to admit what he said was wrong.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anybody know what happened to these plans?http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20812,1553295,00.html
much as I despise the brit-edition of the mag (incessant covers for oasis) I'd love for this to happen. Rolling Stone and Spin are the worst magazines in existence.
― heh (kelpolaris), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink
I'd assume pitchfork has made sure it wont happen.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:38 (2 years ago) Permalink
Surprised NME haven't tried to develop their website into a UK equivalent tbh. I cant see the mag surviving more than another few years, but maybe it would be too late. Then again, outside of ilx, I'm not sure many in the UK care or even know about pitchfork at least compared to the NME.
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
Sure, that makes sense but there was that time in the mid '80s with a big indie/soul divide in the writers - no idea how big either faction was but I guess there was a chance the magazine could have gone the other way (I could be wrong but supposedly it was Steve Sutherland becoming editor that led to indie winning out)?
― Gavin in Leeds, Thursday, 6 January 2011 22:47 (2 years ago) Permalink
The mid 80s was around the time when soul music was finally starting to come out of the "disco" stigma that caused all indie fans (and rock fans in general) to hate it. In the early 80s there was very much this soul=disco thing, which meant that soul music wasn't taken seriously (which, of course, disco never was)
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
can you point out some examples of the punk edge in features from the last eight years?
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir when did you first start reading NME?
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
I have never been a permanent reader (besides the now defunct Select, Q and Mojo have been my favourite mags), but have been reading some NME editions since the 80s.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
The punk edge is in preferring indie, which follows from punk.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Do you realise you're using your original assertion as your only citation of evidence, there?
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:43 (2 years ago) Permalink
I hope we've all learned something today
― assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
So, inverting the logic, you prefer punk because it presaged and pre-defined indie?
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 January 2011 23:51 (2 years ago) Permalink
I prefer classic, melodic pop, which has more in common with indie than with most other genres that were really popular in the 90s. But I still prefer classic, melodic pop to indie.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
surely indie follows from earlier indie labels, like Motown, amirite
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Friday, 7 January 2011 01:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Indie in this case does not mean "independent". PWL was also independent. Indie is a musical genre, founded especially in the 80s as a protest against the synth dominated pop music of the time, but also rooted in punk.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 7 January 2011 09:54 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, the protest was lead by Daniel Miller and Thomas Leer...
― Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 09:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
Indie was not formed as a protest against anything. It really did mean independent. It was only the rise of labels like PWL "contaminating" the indie chart that made people start writing "what does Indie mean?" articles and start to (re)define it as a genre that could ignore Kylie and all those other nasty manufactured pop acts.
― onimo, Friday, 7 January 2011 10:06 (2 years ago) Permalink
New Order were a protest against synth music, stop being dumb guys.
― O Permaban (NickB), Friday, 7 January 2011 10:12 (2 years ago) Permalink
I think you'll find New Order was a synth based pop protest against moody post punk like Joy Division.
― onimo, Friday, 7 January 2011 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink
Actually, many of those who hated seeing Kylie Minogue in the indie charts were not too pleased with seeing Erasure up there either. They hated synth based music with a passion.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Friday, 7 January 2011 10:18 (2 years ago) Permalink
Projectin'
― Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 10:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
If only they could have turned back the clock to the time when Depeche Mode used to be number one.
― O Permaban (NickB), Friday, 7 January 2011 10:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
I don't know a single indie fan that even likes Kraftwerk.
You know me? I'm not single tho.
― Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 10:24 (2 years ago) Permalink
Stop trying to undermine this rock-solid theory on which Geir is building his mad castle.
― O Permaban (NickB), Friday, 7 January 2011 10:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
There should be a band called The Disco Stigma.
Geir's history of indie:In 1977 punk gave us The Police and the Boomtown Rats. The Police were new wave until Every Breath You Take. After the Police split up, all the indies fled underground, never showing their faces again. Although the Smiths and many other indie bands were very popular, that didn't count, because none of them had No 1 singles. And then Blur and Oasis found all the indies underground and led them back to the light in 1995.
Is that right, Geir?
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Friday, 7 January 2011 12:48 (2 years ago) Permalink
You forgot the bit about the PWL ringwraiths riding through the shires on their flying synths.
― O Permaban (NickB), Friday, 7 January 2011 12:53 (2 years ago) Permalink
And, I mean, basically the argument style and posting style on his ILM work is the same as on the alt.music work, even though there is less overt racism and the drums and bass are hardly mentioned . There was a certain Beatles-factor to his posts that was thankfully lost somewhere around "2001" but he has never really found a way to stop having the same fucking conversations for the past 20 years.
― sometimes all it takes is a healthy dose of continental indiepop (tomofthenest), Friday, 7 January 2011 12:59 (2 years ago) Permalink
Harold and Kumar Go To Geir's Mad Castle
― Cracker Flocka Flame (Doran), Friday, 7 January 2011 13:15 (2 years ago) Permalink
Geir's history of indie:In 1977 punk gave us The Police and the Boomtown Rats. The Police were new wave until Every Breath You Take. After the Police split up, all the indies fled underground, never showing their faces again. Although the Smiths and many other indie bands were very popular, that didn't count, because none of them had No 1 singles. And then Blur and Oasis found all the indies underground and led them back to the light in 1995.Is that right, Geir?
Indie existed in the meantime as well, but it was a very narrow genre with a somewhat narrow following, so the NME had to have a broader musical scope if they were to survive.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
Point being, Indie singles sold loads, they didn't chart highly because a lot of the sales weren't in chart return shops.
― Mark G, Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, basically, the main reason why the likes of The Smiths, R.E.M. and Waterboys got popular in the 80s, not with the masses but with a certain kind of audience, is they were guitar fundamentalists. They were known as "guitar bands", and were popular with people who hated how the synth had become the most important instrument in pop music.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
X-Post: Very doubtful. Indie in the 80s subscribed to a certain low-fi thinking that made it unable to appeal to the masses. I think that was also a key element in bringing Britpop to the top of the charts, that the Britpop acts actually found production values to be important, as opposed to late 80s indie acts.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 8 January 2011 00:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
much as I despise the brit-edition of the mag (incessant covers for oasis)
Oasis have broken up and are thus now more likely to end up on the cover of Mojo than the cover of NME.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 8 January 2011 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink
We'll see.
― Mark G, Saturday, 8 January 2011 22:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, I write for NME and I don't mind confirming that Geir is unfortunately wrong on this count. Oasis were on the cover at least twice last year.
― Cracker Flocka Flame (Doran), Saturday, 8 January 2011 22:11 (2 years ago) Permalink
Surely now they're split up, they wont be anymore as Beady Eye & Noel will get their own covers? (until they inevitably reform for a massive amount of money)
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:03 (2 years ago) Permalink
Brother getting a NME cover is unbelievably LOL.
Also LOL is someone using a false name to write criticism of them on The Quietus... presumably they're an NME staffer who doesn't want to get in trouble?
― Craigo Boingo, Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
And an ilxor because whiney g is mentioned!
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:20 (2 years ago) Permalink
Noel Gallagher may end up on the cover once or twice. Liam is a has-been now that he doesn't have his brother to write those brilliant songs for him anymore.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 8 January 2011 23:42 (2 years ago) Permalink
I didn't realise Paul wrote Liam some songs. Why did he stop?
― Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 9 January 2011 00:22 (2 years ago) Permalink
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 00:34 (2 years ago) Permalink
andy bell looks like a christmas ornament, liam looks like patsy kensit
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 00:35 (2 years ago) Permalink
xpost straw man in that Quietus piece is that the conventional establishment isn't actually going gaga for Brother. NME is, but most of the coverage I've seen so far has taken a studiedly offhand tone, as if to say, "This is what they say about themselves. You're capable of deciding for yourself that they are deluded." You might say that if they're that shit, they shouldn't be covered at all.
I've heard more people say more bad things about Brother than any other group in years. I think they're forgetting that in that "you either love us or hate us" cliche, some people need to love you, too.
― Alan Partridge Project (ithappens), Sunday, 9 January 2011 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well, he has Andy Bell. But Andy Bell wrote cirka two good songs for Ride and two good songs for Hurricane #1, so it still doesn't quite hold up.
Noel Gallagher is the one songwriting genius and the act worth following. Hopefully he will become even more Beatlesque in his songwriting now that he is rid of his screaming/punky brother.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 9 January 2011 03:05 (2 years ago) Permalink
still find that NME top 3 albums from 86 amazing!
― piscesx, Sunday, 9 January 2011 03:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
so it still doesn't quite hold up.
..........uhh so are you saying that cover [1]doesn't[/1] exist?
― basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 03:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Well... It does. Now... But Liam will be forgotten in a short time, except for his part in Oasis. Noel is the one and only genius from that band and even though Liam may have more of a rock'n'roll attitude, that isn't enough alone.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 9 January 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink
I bet liam sells more papers though with his bullshit
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, 9 January 2011 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink
I actually think that is still the reason why Dodgy and Travis never quite became critics darlings. Not arrogant enough, not enough bullshit, too boring and nice personalities.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 9 January 2011 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink
& mostly shite
― Prince wouldn't ‘woa’ (onimo), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:29 (2 years ago) Permalink
I guess that's why Radiohead have been getting blanket critical slatings for the past 15 years as well
― cup of tea & an orange.xls (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thom Yorke is apparently quite high maintenance though isn't he? I mean, the guy from Travis seems like a lovely guy... worst mistake you can make I reckon. I bet him and Terrorvision are a great laugh down the pub.
― Cracker Flocka Flame (Doran), Sunday, 9 January 2011 16:52 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thom Yorke is paranoid and at times rather arrogant in his unwillingness to be a pop star. Those guys from Dodgy and Travis are just fairly cool guys, and less interesting to write about than, say, Oasis. Chris Martin has started to act a bit more like a pop star after he became one, and this may be the reason why the press hasn't tired of Coldplay to the same extent.
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 10 January 2011 09:40 (2 years ago) Permalink
that nme cover is next level
― deejeuner sur l'herb (nakhchivan), Monday, 10 January 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink
Thom Yorke has, famously, wanted to be a pop star ever since he was born.
At the point where you achieve your *ambition*, you had better have some more reason or raison'detre than when you were three.
So, by then his "popstarness" is firmly established, and the ability to walk through walls is implicit, hey he can look as 'disinterested' and he knows it won't matter.
When he sang that song about "oh such a lovely garden, oh such a lovely house", i suspected he was a hypocrite as it would be fairly certain he'd have a huge house someplace, and fair enough. Eventually some article showed he did have a huge place, but it was fairly castle-crumbly and the garden hadn't been mowed for decades. Still, though.
― Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 09:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
^exterior life of Thom Yorke
― Prince wouldn't ‘woa’ (onimo), Monday, 10 January 2011 13:49 (2 years ago) Permalink
mark g prefers songwriters who have no idea what they're talking abt
― zvookster, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:30 (2 years ago) Permalink
blimey, I do!
― Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 15:31 (2 years ago) Permalink
It is so odd how Geir writes like he has stolen every line from an old copy of Q on whatever subject is bought up, like he is *schoolin'* us. No more, no less.
― "jobs" (a hoy hoy), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:46 (2 years ago) Permalink
Schooly G
― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 10 January 2011 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink
The Music 1999 - 2011: Why They'll Be Missed
It came as a cruel irony today that midway through our first listen to the godforsaken new Brother record, news landed that The Music were splitting up.
― oppet, Friday, 1 April 2011 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink
RIP guys, heaven needed a ropey Verve knock-off.
― Neil S, Friday, 1 April 2011 21:08 (2 years ago) Permalink
Ropey Verve probably the worst era to knock off.
― death, taxes and (onimo), Saturday, 2 April 2011 00:19 (2 years ago) Permalink
Has anyone read this:
Briefly skimmed through it at Waterstones to see if Mr S1nk3r late of this parish was in it and he wasn't or any mention of his U2 review being spiked. So if it's missing something as key as that, I wonder how thorough it is with the rest of the history.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
That's this book btw.
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh ffs, just click the link instead http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-NME-Worlds-Famous-Magazine/dp/1907554483/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1331055546&sr=8-1
― fun loving and xtremely tolrant (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 17:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
I did suggest to mr S that there could be a fascinating book about the 'tribes' that inhabited NMEworld back in the day, and how they evolved/mutated. He seemed to srsly consider the idea, laffed even.
― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
for those who, like me, didn't know the story:
U2/NME versus Sinker
is the full review anywhere online?
― ban this sick stunt (anagram), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 08:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pat Long was assistant editor at NME during the 2000s.
yyyyeeah, this doesn't sound more promising than re-reading the reminiscences in the 40th anniversary issue
― Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pat is a cool dude and a good writer iircimho
I also only skimmed it in aforementioned book chain but unless I totally missed it there was next to no coverage of the last 10-15 years
― Sylv_ebanks (DJ Mencap), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 14:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
Don't think anyone cares or wants to read anecdotes from The Killers about the Conor McNicholas era, even taking into account declining relevance of print media etc etc. My guess is it ends post-Britpop?
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink
I did suggest to mr S that there could be a fascinating book about the 'tribes' that inhabited NMEworld back in the day, and how they evolved/mutated. He seemed to srsly consider the idea, laffed even
I would definitely read that book.
I don't the NME has been relevant for a long time, so it makes sense that coverage would end about 10-15 years ago.
― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pat's a sound guy, a great writer and I think it's reasonable to end the book at the start of the internet age.
There are severe problems with proofing, subbing though...
― Conan The Asshander (Doran), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 19:40 (1 year ago) Permalink
shame.
despite the fact i am no longer target audience, every time i have flicked through the nme recently have been impressed with the changes krissi has brought in :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/apr/12/nme-krissi-murison-sunday-times?CMP=twt_fd
of course, if an ilm'r steps up ..
― mark e, Thursday, 12 April 2012 11:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah she made a decent job of it, it seemed a much less blinkered and, well, condescending publication over the last few years. Conor McNicholas tended to treat his readership like idiots who could only focus on three bands at once.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 12 April 2012 11:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Co-signed. Sadly McNicholas had already wrecked that ship by the time she took over.
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 12 April 2012 11:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'd be perfectly happy to send in my CV but unfortunately I am at least twice the age of whoever they're looking for.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 12 April 2012 12:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's a decent paper once again, even if not for me thesedays, yes.
― Mark G, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh well looks like marcello, didn't get the job.
from CMJ mailout :
IPC yesterday announced the promotion of NME's Deputy Editor Mike Williams to the role of Editor. Williams, of course, replaces Krissi Murrison, who announced this year that she was moving on to become Features Editor of The Sunday Times Magazine.
Williams joined NME in 2010, prior to which he founded and was editor of Kruger magazine for six years. Initially freelancing for the music weekly, he then took on the role of Features Editor before moving up to become Murison's deputy.
Upon the announcement, Williams told CMU: "I'm super excited to be the new editor of NME. As far as dream positions go, it really doesn't get any better than this. Krissi Murison has done an amazing job as my predecessor, and I'm totally honoured to pick up the baton from her. My challenge is to make NME magazine and the wider NME brand even sharper, our message more coherent and to engage even more with NME's audience of passionate music fans. With the brilliant team we've got in place, I can't wait to get started!"
Meanwhile IPC's Publishing Director Emily Hutchings added: "After an extensive recruitment process, I am absolutely thrilled to announce Mike Williams as the next editor of NME. He brings with him a wealth of editorial experience as well as knowledge in managing multiplatform brand extensions. Mike demonstrated a clear strategic vision and passion for NME that will help take the brand on to even greater success".
The NME print publication, of course, is in terminal decline despite gallant efforts by Murison to overhaul the magazine, though the wider NME brand remains as strong as ever, with future potential almost certainly locked to online and digital innovations
― mark e, Friday, 1 June 2012 10:39 (11 months ago) Permalink
I've known the dude for years - nice guy - no real idea what he'll be like editing the NME but it's cool by me
― cissémanwhore (DJ Mencap), Friday, 1 June 2012 10:45 (11 months ago) Permalink
I didn't apply.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 7 June 2012 11:29 (11 months ago) Permalink