U2/NME versus Sinker

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Is it really true that Mark Sinker's review of Rattle & Hum was rejected by then editor Alan Lewis, after which he resigned from NME?

Lipton Ice Village, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

From Sinker's bio on Rock's Back Pages:

Aug 88: part company with NME over right to claim that U2’s Rattle and Hum is perhaps not that great.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i would've given it 6 out of 10

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, sheeeit - I thought this "claim" was the non-fanatic consensus! Then again, in 1988, I was busy learning how my body worked.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

as i remember, it was Mark S' departure which saw a definitive victory in "the hip-hop wars" for the forces of anti-intellectualism, and was a key moment in the strategic takeover of the NME by the tediously "ironic" little gang who have since become all too prominent via Q magazine, football magazines, Bannister-era Radio 1, TV nostalgia shows, Radio 4 film programmes (!) - i don't think i need to name names.

maybe that's just my own pro-intellectual, pro-late 80s MM bias, though ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

robin, have you read the "should festivals be banned" thread on ile?

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

nope. hardly read ile these days. does that contain a lot of abuse of the Kelly/Collins/Maconie clique?

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

no, its unrelated, but you might find it interesting

charltonlido (gareth), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Collins and Maconie were quite good on the radio. Perhaps they deployed irony, but they weren't tedious then.

Enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"the hip-hop wars" for the forces of anti-intellectualism

please tell me these wars took place in outer space

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow, I just have a hard time imagining Mark S even acknowledging U2.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

mark revealed the whole story behind this in an old thread which i can't find right now. he even got quoted in that uncut u2 special edition!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Rattle and Hum, I liked it. 8/10

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks for the link, Gareth.

what Marcello wrote is essentially a sub-Marxist analysis; the really curious thing to me, as is so often the case, is that he's targeting the cultural proletarianisation - or as i call it "Wienerisation" - of the middle classes, something which also angers the old guard of Conservatives (you can imagine a certain sort of shire Tory ranting about the fact that Radio 4 dares to cover Glastonbury). this is also why that thread is not entirely "unrelated" to the point i made about the media ubiquity of the anti-intellectual clique that took over the NME in the late 80s; the fact that Andrew Collins is on Radio 4 now is relevant, surely?

i can fully understand the motivations behind Marcello's point - it's just that i really don't know how the syndrome he describes could have been avoided by any means other than having an octogenarian Alec Douglas-Home as prime minister in the 1980s. i just feel that this sort of hardline, dogmatic class analysis no longer makes the sense that it probably once did - and the weird thing is that, to make it make sense, ultra-leftists now have to despise changes in the middle classes which the mainstream left of 40 years ago was actually calling for on a cultural level, and wish that the middle classes could again conform to a vision which has more in common with that held by Auberon Waugh or the Conservative Democratic Alliance than it has with anything mainstream-left, ever (or probably anything hard-left before the Berlin Wall fell).

i thought Enrique came best out of that thread; his point that culture-war analysis of "the urban-rural divide" actually reinforced right-wing ideas of what the countryside is like is, and i know it's extremely predictable for me to say this, probably the most OTM thing i've seen on the forums in a long time. i feel the same way about class-war analysis; the only way for the middle classes to please such sub-Marxists, it seems, would be THE SAME WAY THAT WOULD ALSO PLEASE OLD-FASHIONED CONSERVATIVES. a very curious situation.

Southall and Passantino and Stelfox can call me a Blairite if they want. i don't care - being lectured about crypto-Toryism by someone who claims that people should stick to their "own class heritage" (a phrase far more overtly old-school Tory than any of my comments around that time were post-Thatcherite latter-day Tory) hardly sticks in the mind. what worries me is what Marcello will make of my recent blog entries, which are full-on discussions of Wienerisation which do not cite it as some kind of great evil, and refer at length to the old-school ultra-conservatives whose loathing of Wienerisation is precisely the reason why i cannot bring myself to condemn it. ah well, i didn't start blogging to win friends and influence people ...

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

(note that i am only really condemning "the culture-war analysis of the urban-rural divide" when it is applied in Britain; in the US, where it originated and should remain, it still makes a lot more sense. it would probably also make more sense in some other European countries.)

robin carmody (robin carmody), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Robin PLEASE stop saying I called you a Blairite because I never di any such thing just like I never actually said people should stick to their "own class heritage", I was just having a bitch at Coldplay, ffs, I have not mentioned you, read your blog or even thought about you in months and STILL you drop my name as some sort of Citizen Smith type working-class idiot revolutionary at EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Please stop. I am sure Dom and Dave would liek you to also stop mentioning them too.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

what is your DEAL robin??

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Think I've told this story before (sorry to those who've heard it). At NME in 1988, as a known non-fan, I was commissioned to review _Rattle and Hum_ and gave it 4/10, declaring it (from memory) "the worst release by a major rock band in ten years". Handed in copy, went off to Berlin, chasing some total non-story about indie trademarkets in Europe(!). Looked at NME when it came out: R&H reviewed by Stuart Baillie, 8/10 (or thereabouts) plus the usual hip-hoorah stuff. When I came back to London, I stormed into the office — everyone in a meeting — so left a note on Danny Kelly's desk denouncing EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, and stormed back out.

Spent the next coupla weeks getting enjoyable props from various foax in the London media, as being the Last Principled Man in Rock etc etc (not to mention Nick Coleman at Time Out's comment: that I am a "designer eccentric"). Point being: this was considered a watershed moment, a signic turning point, etc, when the Great NME caves to mere record company whatever (or actually, much more to the point, to some lame focus-group judgment of the tastes of the median NME reader, as insisted on by IPC).

OK: complicating factors here, to demonstrate that I am as much a Manipulative Snake as a Bold Lonely Hero. I got given the review by outgoing reviews editor Alan Jackson — dull writer, lamentable taste, but *extremely* nice bloke, honest, straight-up blah blah — because he was pissed off and wanted to fuck with the system, and knew I was ditto, felt ditto. I wrote the review in order to *get it pulled*, then (more or less) absented myself in order to be able to Yell Scandal!! to the Very Rooftops. Did me no harm whatever (as per my gamble): in two/three years I had my own mag to edit (courtesy another angry NME refugee, Richard Cook), and a Rep that played.

Of course, R&H ¡!sUxOr¡!, which helps. I still get a wee buzz off seeing a great barren reach of second-hand copies in a U2 bin, anywhere in the world.

-- mark s (mar...), June 5th, 2001.

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I got given the review by outgoing reviews editor Alan Jackson

...on his way to becoming one of the nineties' biggest country music stars in America.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link

And also the guy in Eastenders.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

as with the similar DeRogatis tale I ask the question "maybe the review was just shitty?"

Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I doubt it.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Andrew Collins on 6 Music just mentioned this U2/NME Sinker story

Trade Secrets..U2 review swapped to tie in with negotiations for a U2 NME cover feature

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link


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