OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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From this week's R&R (Reviewed & Rated) section of Exeter University Guild Of Students' magnificent student paper, Exeposé...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

Argh, nu-ilx has shrunk it slightly past readable; here's a direct link - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screengrabs/onsellingoutexepose.jpg

I just boggled at this over my lunch.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:18 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Jonny" is a name for gaywads

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

This only proves again that editors and writers are two different professions. Hence the two names.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:22 (7 years ago) Permalink

You are actually posting a scan of an article from a student newspaper as the basis for a thread, aren't you? Good lord.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:25 (7 years ago) Permalink

It's a screengrab from the pdf off the website! They didn't have a normal text version...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

can you link to the website? photobucket seems to be banned here.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

http://www.exepose.ex.ac.uk

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:30 (7 years ago) Permalink

goes from strength to strength -- feeder mention is possibly the high point.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:31 (7 years ago) Permalink

System of a Down's top 20 single was six and a half years ago, fact fans.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:32 (7 years ago) Permalink

"Recent developments in music have given Architechs a top 5 single"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

surely this can't be THE jonny garrett?

http://www.myspace.com/chasingfaces

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (7 years ago) Permalink

(yeah, they have a myspace already, the sellouts)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

I suspect it must be, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (7 years ago) Permalink

I assume, from their name that they like Snow Patrol and The Small Faces.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

um, holding up articles by students as examples of 'bad music writing'? talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Matt DC OTM.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (7 years ago) Permalink

Following in the footsteps of West Country acts like Muse and Thirteen Senses by already winning over interest from various major and independent record labels, things are definitely looking good for the boys. Having recently been asked to support New Zealand favourites The Checks who have just finished touring with the likes of JET and Oasis.

"I know someone who knows someone who knows the guy from Young Heart Attack quite well"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (7 years ago) Permalink

Even in the realm of student media this is BAAAAAAAAD though, Steve - I flick through Exepose every week and this is BY FAR the worst thing I've ever seen in it; hence not starting a thread every week.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:37 (7 years ago) Permalink

Haha I used to write for that paper. I wonder how long before he Googles his own name and finds it.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:39 (7 years ago) Permalink

It would be so wonderful if he googled this thread and responded. What an utterly thrilling discussion and exchange of views that could lead to.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:40 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:41 (7 years ago) Permalink

(my question: is the article motivated by his own band possibly signing to a major soon?)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Maybe I should unleash the views of Chris Erasmus at you all?

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (7 years ago) Permalink

Haha, yeah, I'd imagine so, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hello Jonny's mom! No, he hasn't posted about his sex life yet. Try again later. Bye, ILX.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (7 years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (11 minutes ago) Link

Dom is entirely correct here. I mean, the chuckle factor is diminished by him being a student, but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

sanskrit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:54 (7 years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:59 (7 years ago) Permalink

Nobody knows how to sub-edit when they're 21, that's why.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:03 (7 years ago) Permalink

^^not unrelated to why writers in the say, New York Times tend to sound the same. for that matter, ever read Blender? Despite the bylines it seems to be written by one many-armed poprockbot.

m coleman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:04 (7 years ago) Permalink

that really is quite incredible.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:07 (7 years ago) Permalink

New York Times doesn't have sub-editors? That's crazy!

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:08 (7 years ago) Permalink

Hey Jonny, your band fucking suck.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:10 (7 years ago) Permalink

Jonny Garrett of Exeter University, that is.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:11 (7 years ago) Permalink

I think you mean <a href="OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?;>Jonny Garrett</a> of Exeter University.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

BOO HTML

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University. Those bastards have had it their own way for too long.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:15 (7 years ago) Permalink

Does Westlife even exist anymore?

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:16 (7 years ago) Permalink

highlights:

"...bands like westlife who can, quite frankly, go screw themselves with a rusty spoon and get tetanus"

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard one of the most influential artists of our time and dave grohl may have never founded the foo fighters."

the pathos!

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:17 (7 years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

democratization of criticism = people slagging this shit off just because they can rather than for any constructive cause. it's just easy target practice, who gives a shit? no-one/nothing is ever going to stop under-grads inheriting these absurd ideas about 'how things should be' in the music industry. surely we've all read this same article many times in the past.

i'm just more relieved than ever my music writing from college days was too soon for blog-era internet heh.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:19 (7 years ago) Permalink

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.

NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (7 years ago) Permalink

perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (7 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (7 years ago) Permalink

I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.

and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!

ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag

or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (7 years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (7 years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (7 years ago) Permalink

(ie from singin + harmonica to I PLAY EVERYTHING)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:07 (5 days ago) Permalink

When?

the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:07 (5 days ago) Permalink

xpost re Kim

the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:08 (5 days ago) Permalink

Pixies (bass) to Breeders (guitar)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:09 (5 days ago) Permalink

Beastie Boys

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:10 (5 days ago) Permalink

Miles Davis was known for playing the trumpet for the vast majority of his career - then abruptly switched to organ for a large portion of this electric period

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:00 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah but no one is ever gonna mainly associate Miles with the organ, and he played trumpet on all the records he played organ on (unless there's one I'm not thinking of).

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:12 (5 days ago) Permalink

where does this "mainly associate" come from? the question was strictly about mid-career instrument switching

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:14 (5 days ago) Permalink

even if that did matter, do you really think Grohl is "mainly associated" with his shitty guitar+vocals and not his drumming in Nirvana?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:15 (5 days ago) Permalink

I'm saying he didn't really "switch" he just started also playing organ, it wasn't a collins or grohl type thing where their primary band role completely changed.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:15 (5 days ago) Permalink

I think for a lot of people the image of Grohl that comes to mind first would be frontman of foo fighters, yeah.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

I'm saying he didn't really "switch" he just started also playing organ

ok fine

don't agree about Grohl but whatever

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:17 (5 days ago) Permalink

Father John Misty

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:18 (5 days ago) Permalink

you're overestimating the shitty younger generation

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:18 (5 days ago) Permalink

Dennis Wilson

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:18 (5 days ago) Permalink

John Cale

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:19 (5 days ago) Permalink

ven if that did matter, do you really think Grohl is "mainly associated" with his shitty guitar+vocals and not his drumming in Nirvana?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:15 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what planet do you live on

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

Bill Clinton

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

the planet where Nirvana is one of the biggest bands of all time and the Foo Fighters are that shitty band that happened afterwards

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

me too, mate

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

that's not a planet it's an age

maybes bakin' maybes (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

Age Planet

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:24 (5 days ago) Permalink

the planet where Nirvana is one of the biggest bands of all time and the Foo Fighters are that shitty band that happened afterwards

xp

― Οὖτις,

You slipped from sales to aesthetic judgment here

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:25 (5 days ago) Permalink

I mean if you don't pay attention then say so but Foo are huge for anyone who came of age 1997-2004.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:25 (5 days ago) Permalink

have they sold more records than Nirvana?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:45 (5 days ago) Permalink

Shakey is

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:55 (5 days ago) Permalink

really wanted to post "mainly associated with singing, mainly associated with drumming, let's just agree he's mainly ass" but i've been disrespectful enough today

da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:56 (5 days ago) Permalink

grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 22:57 (5 days ago) Permalink

afaict Foo Fighters have not actually sold more records than Nirvana

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:03 (5 days ago) Permalink

that'll show all the nobody who argued otherwise

da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:03 (5 days ago) Permalink

I would think there would be some connection between record sales and the band DG is "mainly associated" with but agree this whole tangent is stupid

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:05 (5 days ago) Permalink

I feel dumb pointing this out but dave grohl wasn't the front guy in nirvana and that might affect people's perception of what his main deal is

john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:11 (5 days ago) Permalink

the error in that logic is the idea that if more people have an album you drum on than an album you sing on, more people know you as a drummer than as a singer. if you spend 20 years fronting a platinum-gold level band after drumming for a multi-platinum band for 3, just saying the earlier band sold more ignores the fact of how long you've been in bigger light and for what.

da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

xpost

da croupier, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:16 (5 days ago) Permalink

He only played on two of the Nirvana albums btw.

everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

giant derp @ just-woken-up me re Deal, sorry Jo Wiggs still ♥ u boo, Ladies Who Lunch 4eva

the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

It just seems pretty obvious to me that what MC meant was artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band, and I don't think there are tons of examples of that.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:22 (5 days ago) Permalink

xxxp yeah but people don't know drummers

also, what instrument is phil collins supposed to be known for? his voice? (or synthesizers??) i feel like, ignoring what singers think of themselves (their special and unique talents etc), for musicians playing an instrument and also being able to sing competently should not really be counted as, like, an exception.

also

Lloyd Ryan recalled: "Phil always had a problem with reading. That was always a big problem for him. That’s a shame because reading drum music isn’t that difficult."

j., Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:23 (5 days ago) Permalink

everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:28 (5 days ago) Permalink

everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:30 (5 days ago) Permalink

everything, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:34 (5 days ago) Permalink

this:
has any other musician switched instruments mid-career like DG?

is a much, much broader category than this:

artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band

which are two v v different things

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:42 (5 days ago) Permalink

cuz there are tons of musicians that switch instruments mid-career - the main difference is there are not a ton of musicians who are "like DG" in the sense of being widely known as instrument x player of any band

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 November 2014 23:43 (5 days ago) Permalink

Fatboy Slim

ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:07 (4 days ago) Permalink

John Maclean

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

Don Henley

everything, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:24 (4 days ago) Permalink

Bruce Willis

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:24 (4 days ago) Permalink

Christopher Guest

everything, Thursday, 20 November 2014 00:27 (4 days ago) Permalink

hey guys, didn't mean to stir up confusion...

i was asking about

"artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band"

...because as someone pointed out, just playing more than one instrument is not that uncommon.....

probably could have worded it better, but just a quick post spurred by idle curiosity....

also, great shot of lemmy.....

m0stlyClean, Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:32 (4 days ago) Permalink

this thread made me go back and listen to Big Me, which i regret

a total laugh package (s.clover), Thursday, 20 November 2014 04:48 (4 days ago) Permalink

grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Except Grant was a main songwriter and sang in Husker Du

i did it all for the 'nuki (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 November 2014 18:06 (4 days ago) Permalink


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