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From this week's R&R (Reviewed & Rated) section of Exeter University Guild Of Students' magnificent student paper, Exeposé...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

Argh, nu-ilx has shrunk it slightly past readable; here's a direct link - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screengrabs/onsellingoutexepose.jpg

I just boggled at this over my lunch.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Jonny" is a name for gaywads

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

This only proves again that editors and writers are two different professions. Hence the two names.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

You are actually posting a scan of an article from a student newspaper as the basis for a thread, aren't you? Good lord.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's a screengrab from the pdf off the website! They didn't have a normal text version...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

can you link to the website? photobucket seems to be banned here.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.exepose.ex.ac.uk

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

goes from strength to strength -- feeder mention is possibly the high point.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

System of a Down's top 20 single was six and a half years ago, fact fans.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Recent developments in music have given Architechs a top 5 single"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

surely this can't be THE jonny garrett?

http://www.myspace.com/chasingfaces

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

(yeah, they have a myspace already, the sellouts)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

I suspect it must be, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

I assume, from their name that they like Snow Patrol and The Small Faces.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

um, holding up articles by students as examples of 'bad music writing'? talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Matt DC OTM.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Following in the footsteps of West Country acts like Muse and Thirteen Senses by already winning over interest from various major and independent record labels, things are definitely looking good for the boys. Having recently been asked to support New Zealand favourites The Checks who have just finished touring with the likes of JET and Oasis.

"I know someone who knows someone who knows the guy from Young Heart Attack quite well"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Even in the realm of student media this is BAAAAAAAAD though, Steve - I flick through Exepose every week and this is BY FAR the worst thing I've ever seen in it; hence not starting a thread every week.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Haha I used to write for that paper. I wonder how long before he Googles his own name and finds it.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

It would be so wonderful if he googled this thread and responded. What an utterly thrilling discussion and exchange of views that could lead to.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

(my question: is the article motivated by his own band possibly signing to a major soon?)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Maybe I should unleash the views of Chris Erasmus at you all?

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Haha, yeah, I'd imagine so, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hello Jonny's mom! No, he hasn't posted about his sex life yet. Try again later. Bye, ILX.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (11 minutes ago) Link

Dom is entirely correct here. I mean, the chuckle factor is diminished by him being a student, but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

sanskrit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nobody knows how to sub-edit when they're 21, that's why.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^not unrelated to why writers in the say, New York Times tend to sound the same. for that matter, ever read Blender? Despite the bylines it seems to be written by one many-armed poprockbot.

m coleman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

that really is quite incredible.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

New York Times doesn't have sub-editors? That's crazy!

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey Jonny, your band fucking suck.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jonny Garrett of Exeter University, that is.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think you mean <a href="OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?;>Jonny Garrett</a> of Exeter University.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

BOO HTML

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University. Those bastards have had it their own way for too long.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Does Westlife even exist anymore?

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

highlights:

"...bands like westlife who can, quite frankly, go screw themselves with a rusty spoon and get tetanus"

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard one of the most influential artists of our time and dave grohl may have never founded the foo fighters."

the pathos!

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

democratization of criticism = people slagging this shit off just because they can rather than for any constructive cause. it's just easy target practice, who gives a shit? no-one/nothing is ever going to stop under-grads inheriting these absurd ideas about 'how things should be' in the music industry. surely we've all read this same article many times in the past.

i'm just more relieved than ever my music writing from college days was too soon for blog-era internet heh.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.

NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.

and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!

ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag

or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

you'd think a novelist might spend a little more time analyzing the actual book rather than proving his "i love rock and roll" bona fides in but NO

Britney Thinkpeace (m coleman), Monday, 26 September 2016 13:08 (three days ago) Permalink

can't believe he did rob sheffield's patented lyric-appropriation sentence riff

Britney Thinkpeace (m coleman), Monday, 26 September 2016 13:09 (three days ago) Permalink

david brooks wrote about springsteen too. all the white guys are assembling.

maura, Monday, 26 September 2016 13:54 (three days ago) Permalink

People who see art from the outside — from the spectator seats where we’re intended to see it — often don’t get the making of art very right. Which is a victimless crime. But it’s partly because we don’t quite get it that hosts of fans are drawn to Springsteen. His work’s entirety — the songs, the music, the guitar, the voice, the persona, the gyrations, the recitativos, the whole artifice of “the act,” or what Springsteen calls the “sum of all my parts” — is so dense, involved and ­authentic-seeming as to all but defy what we think we know about how regular human beings make things at ground level.

this is a better passage if you pretend it's describing weird al yankovic

adam, Monday, 26 September 2016 14:19 (three days ago) Permalink

old white conservatives/intellectuals love to really harp on about Springsteen because he makes them think they could understand the common man, and they also like to imagine he is the common man

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:26 (three days ago) Permalink

conservatives listen to the boss?

Wimmels, Monday, 26 September 2016 14:33 (three days ago) Permalink

maura just said brooks wrote about him, maybe that doesn't necessarily mean he listened

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:34 (three days ago) Permalink

Loads. xp

the tightening is plateauing (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:35 (three days ago) Permalink

insert 100 jokes about not listening to the "born in the usa" lyrics

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:40 (three days ago) Permalink

I think this review is embarrassing and I *am* an old white guy

Britney Thinkpeace (m coleman), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:45 (three days ago) Permalink

Bruce Springsteen is music for conservatives.

Frederik B, Monday, 26 September 2016 14:50 (three days ago) Permalink

if you define conservatives in a way that means pining for a traditionalism that never existed, sure

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 14:52 (three days ago) Permalink

how do u figure? springsteen's music is as much or more about the tragedies of a supposed idyllic time than it is about celebrating it. unless that traditionalism means a time when guitar music reigned supreme.

Mordy, Monday, 26 September 2016 14:54 (three days ago) Permalink

it depends what lens you use to look at it. if you think of blue collar, small town people who have been kicked around and screwed over, and this idea that there's some ideal working man's america out there... some sort of american greatness that's been bruised not by you or me but by the man

if you take that and remove all the trappings of social justice that Springsteen believes in, which you don't necessarily get from a surface reading, you end up with "america was great"

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 15:24 (three days ago) Permalink

This thread is spawning some candidates for OP's question on its own

punksishippies, Monday, 26 September 2016 15:30 (three days ago) Permalink

Well, it's backwards looking musically. The review uses a quote from Springsteen on how he never wanted band democracy, and that's central as well. It's individualistic music, it's music for pulling yourself up by your boostraps, rather than of systemic oppression (or, as it's otherwise known: The real world). Bruce hasn't even gone through a self-negating phase like for instance Dylan, no, it's his band that he keeps breaking up and getting back together. The leader stays, the collective is rearranged. And while he has tried to broaden it, the central individual in the Springsteen mythos remains the great white male.

Conservative music can be good, though. I really enjoyed a Springsteen festival show a few years back, danced like mad. But there's a conservative core to Springsteen, and it bothers me everytime Born in the USA is presented as this liberal song getting horribly misread, when it contains such a heap of jingoistic, patriotic sentiment in the choruses, and music throughout. Springsteen wrote a song that didn't bring across the sentiment he aimed for, don't blame Reagan for figuring that out.

All of this is imo, obviously.

Frederik B, Monday, 26 September 2016 15:31 (three days ago) Permalink

i guess i'm thinking about songs like "the river" where it may be about the white working class but it's super bleak + depressing

Mordy, Monday, 26 September 2016 15:35 (three days ago) Permalink

if only being white and working class could be... great again

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 15:37 (three days ago) Permalink

The River is about tragedies of the present, it's implied that things were better in the past ('I got a job working construction for the Johnstown Company / But lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy') There's a sense of being trapped by tradition - being expected to do as your father, and, well, the fact that the couple don't just get an abortion - but it's still also a song about how things used to be better.

Another thing that kinda weirds me out, is if the song is about Springsteen's sister and brother in law, how come Mary is a complete non-entity? Isn't it kinda weird that Springsteen was able to invent an inner life for the character based on his brother-in-law, but the one based on his sister vanishes once she gets pregnant, and the only description of her is that she was 'tan and wet'? There's a hierarchy to who's inner suffering is worthy of portrayal.

Frederik B, Monday, 26 September 2016 16:07 (three days ago) Permalink

What's the best Bruce Springsteen song about a woman? I'm no expert.

Frederik B, Monday, 26 September 2016 16:21 (three days ago) Permalink

certainly his most passionate love song is "Bobby Jean" directed at a man.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2016 16:23 (three days ago) Permalink

I'm no expert

lol

mookieproof, Monday, 26 September 2016 16:33 (three days ago) Permalink

Bruce Springsteen is music for conservatives.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 26, 2016 4:50 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I wouldn't go that far, but Bruce does seem to be the 'cool' artist conservatives embrace. And it's probably wise to leave in depth analysis of song lyrics out of it, as his conservative public does not seem to mind. Speaking solely for the Netherlands, I could give you a list of ten big conservative/right wing pundits or politicians flaunting their love for Bruce every chance they get. No other musician is (ab)used that way iirc. The most blatantly bigot, racist right wingers all claim Bruce, almost as if they use him to show they have a heart (which they don't). It's his rugged masculinity and drive to keep going strong at his age that seems to appeal to something these people admire.

Bruce Springsteen is probably the most easily misunderstood musician of our days. A battlefield over which the left and right surge and fight to claim him.

the tightening is plateauing (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 September 2016 16:39 (three days ago) Permalink

#trenchant

the tightening is plateauing (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 26 September 2016 16:40 (three days ago) Permalink

if Brooks and George Will are explaining him, I'm happy he remains misunderstood *plays Tunnel of Love*

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 September 2016 16:41 (three days ago) Permalink

LBI, that's kinda what I mean. Consevatives love Bruce Springsteen = It's music for conservatives. It's not enough for me to say 'but they misunderstand'. The interesting part is why he is so 'easily misunderstood', which to my mind is the same thing as saying that he's politically confused, vague and weak. Which would of course be something conservatives would love in working class heroes.

Frederik B, Monday, 26 September 2016 17:01 (three days ago) Permalink

marco rubio loves NWA and public enemy

conservatives love all kinds of music, a lot of ppl don't really give a shit they don't necessarily spend their lives connecting the music they listen and their own beliefs. i have a friend who's the president of a hydraulics company he inherited from his father and he loves fugazi the most.

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 September 2016 17:09 (three days ago) Permalink

do you guys know actual american republicans that like Springsteen beyond playing singles or is this some thing where any american patriotic or nostalgic tendency sounds conservative

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 17:12 (three days ago) Permalink

chris christie loves bruce springsteen = it's music for chris christie

mookieproof, Monday, 26 September 2016 17:14 (three days ago) Permalink

41 Shots, for example. Try go to it's genius-page and see the discussion of the text. Is the 'American Skin' meant to say that all Americans live in danger of gun violence, or is it about racism? And the second verse, where a mother instructs her child what to do if the police comes by, is that about how Amadou allegedly failed to do as he was told, or is it about how African-American families have to have this conversation over and over and over? Well, it's kinda hard to say, because it's deliberately vague, it can be read both ways. But, for instance, perhaps if the names of the mother and son in the second verse wasn't Lena and Charles, it would be clearer. Yet over and over in his music, Springsteen hedges his bets when he goes political, always moves in the direction of the general.

Frederik B, Monday, 26 September 2016 17:14 (three days ago) Permalink

chris christie loves new jersey, you see

haha just kidding no one loves new jersey

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 17:15 (three days ago) Permalink

Try go to it's genius-page and see the discussion of the text.

finally we're back to the thread title

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 26 September 2016 17:16 (three days ago) Permalink

it's weird how often the T-Bone manifesto is getting referenced as some sort of piece of great thinking

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 21:19 (two days ago) Permalink

NYT just offered it to me as "the single best critique on the modern technological society and its effect on culture and politics"
uh?

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 21:20 (two days ago) Permalink

Nice of Frederik to put his own worst music writing directly in this thread rather than waiting for someone to find it

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:05 (two days ago) Permalink

Lol

flopson, Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:07 (two days ago) Permalink

omg lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:08 (two days ago) Permalink

*farts*

savvinesslessness (map), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:11 (two days ago) Permalink

it bothers me everytime Born in the USA is presented as this liberal song getting horribly misread, when it contains such a heap of jingoistic, patriotic sentiment in the choruses, and music throughout. Springsteen wrote a song that didn't bring across the sentiment he aimed for, don't blame Reagan for figuring that out.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 26, 2016 3:31 PM (yesterday)

this is fucking ridiculous

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:14 (two days ago) Permalink

one might guess the writer was not born in the united states

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:39 (two days ago) Permalink

Bruce Springsteen is a conservative because he depicts the decline of the working class as a political and economic force which technically happened but saying anything in the past was better than the present is a tacit endorsement of racism

Is I think his argument here it's kind of unclear

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 27 September 2016 23:49 (two days ago) Permalink

no it is because he likes america as an abstract idea and not just a place you can live

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 00:58 (yesterday) Permalink

repeating the words born in the usa over and over again is jingoistic and patriotic cuz it's jingoistic and patriotic to have been born in the usa

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 01:01 (yesterday) Permalink

bruce springsteen is 67 years old and plays four-hour shows featuring guitars; he is inherently conservative

mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 01:04 (yesterday) Permalink

It's possible to think Springsteen didn't quite know what he'd unleashed when he repeated the title over Weinberg's drums and that synth fanfare and that Frederik is bananas.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 01:08 (yesterday) Permalink

mookie has a point

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 01:36 (yesterday) Permalink

bruce springsteen is 67 years old and plays four-hour shows featuring guitars

and his primary guitar dates to the eisenhower era

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 01:48 (yesterday) Permalink

how much do you have to wilfully misread something before it no longer qualifies as "reading"

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 04:16 (yesterday) Permalink

<3 u fact checking cuz

perhaps, as a bo diddley beat aficionado, you'd be interested in Songs where a musician starts "ernie-ing"/summoning up the great musical god Ernie.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 04:34 (yesterday) Permalink

hang on i thought when it came to US politics Fred was all about stuff that was politically vague, confused and fundamentally conservative?

i bill everything i duck (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 05:54 (yesterday) Permalink


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