OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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From this week's R&R (Reviewed & Rated) section of Exeter University Guild Of Students' magnificent student paper, Exeposé...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

Argh, nu-ilx has shrunk it slightly past readable; here's a direct link - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screengrabs/onsellingoutexepose.jpg

I just boggled at this over my lunch.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:18 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Jonny" is a name for gaywads

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:20 (9 years ago) Permalink

This only proves again that editors and writers are two different professions. Hence the two names.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:22 (9 years ago) Permalink

You are actually posting a scan of an article from a student newspaper as the basis for a thread, aren't you? Good lord.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

It's a screengrab from the pdf off the website! They didn't have a normal text version...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

can you link to the website? photobucket seems to be banned here.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

http://www.exepose.ex.ac.uk

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:30 (9 years ago) Permalink

goes from strength to strength -- feeder mention is possibly the high point.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:31 (9 years ago) Permalink

System of a Down's top 20 single was six and a half years ago, fact fans.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:32 (9 years ago) Permalink

"Recent developments in music have given Architechs a top 5 single"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

surely this can't be THE jonny garrett?

http://www.myspace.com/chasingfaces

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (9 years ago) Permalink

(yeah, they have a myspace already, the sellouts)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

I suspect it must be, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (9 years ago) Permalink

I assume, from their name that they like Snow Patrol and The Small Faces.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

um, holding up articles by students as examples of 'bad music writing'? talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Matt DC OTM.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (9 years ago) Permalink

Following in the footsteps of West Country acts like Muse and Thirteen Senses by already winning over interest from various major and independent record labels, things are definitely looking good for the boys. Having recently been asked to support New Zealand favourites The Checks who have just finished touring with the likes of JET and Oasis.

"I know someone who knows someone who knows the guy from Young Heart Attack quite well"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (9 years ago) Permalink

Even in the realm of student media this is BAAAAAAAAD though, Steve - I flick through Exepose every week and this is BY FAR the worst thing I've ever seen in it; hence not starting a thread every week.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:37 (9 years ago) Permalink

Haha I used to write for that paper. I wonder how long before he Googles his own name and finds it.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:39 (9 years ago) Permalink

It would be so wonderful if he googled this thread and responded. What an utterly thrilling discussion and exchange of views that could lead to.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:40 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:41 (9 years ago) Permalink

(my question: is the article motivated by his own band possibly signing to a major soon?)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Maybe I should unleash the views of Chris Erasmus at you all?

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (9 years ago) Permalink

Haha, yeah, I'd imagine so, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hello Jonny's mom! No, he hasn't posted about his sex life yet. Try again later. Bye, ILX.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (9 years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (11 minutes ago) Link

Dom is entirely correct here. I mean, the chuckle factor is diminished by him being a student, but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

sanskrit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:59 (9 years ago) Permalink

Nobody knows how to sub-edit when they're 21, that's why.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:03 (9 years ago) Permalink

^^not unrelated to why writers in the say, New York Times tend to sound the same. for that matter, ever read Blender? Despite the bylines it seems to be written by one many-armed poprockbot.

m coleman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

that really is quite incredible.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

New York Times doesn't have sub-editors? That's crazy!

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:08 (9 years ago) Permalink

Hey Jonny, your band fucking suck.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:10 (9 years ago) Permalink

Jonny Garrett of Exeter University, that is.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

I think you mean <a href="OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?;>Jonny Garrett</a> of Exeter University.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

BOO HTML

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University. Those bastards have had it their own way for too long.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

Does Westlife even exist anymore?

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:16 (9 years ago) Permalink

highlights:

"...bands like westlife who can, quite frankly, go screw themselves with a rusty spoon and get tetanus"

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard one of the most influential artists of our time and dave grohl may have never founded the foo fighters."

the pathos!

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:17 (9 years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

democratization of criticism = people slagging this shit off just because they can rather than for any constructive cause. it's just easy target practice, who gives a shit? no-one/nothing is ever going to stop under-grads inheriting these absurd ideas about 'how things should be' in the music industry. surely we've all read this same article many times in the past.

i'm just more relieved than ever my music writing from college days was too soon for blog-era internet heh.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:19 (9 years ago) Permalink

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.

NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (9 years ago) Permalink

perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (9 years ago) Permalink

I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.

and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!

ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag

or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (9 years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (9 years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

What of Mr Tavana, is he even angrier (and nerdier) now?

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 June 2016 13:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

the Sasha Grey piece he wrote was also crummy but I guess he successfully cloaked his gross misogyny.

maura, Sunday, 19 June 2016 13:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

Well, she's got smaller tits than Ferreira, so maybe he wasn't as committed to the assignment.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 19 June 2016 14:12 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol boom!

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Sunday, 19 June 2016 14:19 (1 week ago) Permalink

coincidentally been listening to night time, my time a lot the past couple weeks; treeship otm re "nobody asked me" but i also go kind of embarrassingly crazy for "omanko".

maura nobly didn't link the sasha grey piece but i googled it anyway, indefensibly yielding a click, then tapped out after a single paragraph of aspiring magazine prose about what she was wearing when she arrived at the restaurant.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 19 June 2016 14:57 (1 week ago) Permalink

What about how "heavy metal heart" reuses and transforms the main riff of "you're not the one," the track righy before it

Treeship, Sunday, 19 June 2016 16:04 (1 week ago) Permalink

Tbh the kind of meta-cultural commentary that piece was going for -- trying to "place things" or make claims about what something as large as pop music "needs today," as if cultural is just a self-correcting machine that moves in an eternal circle -- is annoying in itself, apart from the egregious sexism. As a lens it's incapable of registering anything that actually makes music enjoyable or meaningful.

Treeship, Sunday, 19 June 2016 16:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

http://decibelmagazine.com/blog/2016/6/20/does-the-underground-metal-scene-really-have-a-sjw-problem

Some really awful writing here and fuck Decibel for promoting this bullshit. Subscription cancelled.

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:09 (1 week ago) Permalink

"self-described" "self-proclaimed" SJWs.

evol j, Monday, 20 June 2016 19:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

Indeed.

Cosmic Slop, Monday, 20 June 2016 20:11 (1 week ago) Permalink

hahahahahaha

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 June 2016 20:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

"Extreme metal is art. It is dangerous art and part of its very appeal is indeed that of peril and endangerment. In fact, at many shows, one might come face to face with an artist or two (or fan for that matter) who has spent significant in time in prison for offenses that range from assault to arson to murder. That is the reality of extreme metal."

scott seward, Monday, 20 June 2016 21:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

gut-wrenchingly impactful

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 June 2016 21:21 (1 week ago) Permalink

^^^ me if i don't drink my psyllium seed husks for a few days

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 20 June 2016 21:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

lol

riverine (map), Monday, 20 June 2016 21:24 (1 week ago) Permalink

ahahahaha christ

imago, Monday, 20 June 2016 21:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

"At an extreme metal show you may stand next to someone who has just played Fallout 4 for 23 straight hours with only minimal breaks for food or water. This is the dangerous reality of the art."

scott seward, Monday, 20 June 2016 21:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

extreme hydration

thrusted pelvis-first back (ulysses), Monday, 20 June 2016 21:58 (1 week ago) Permalink

I was kinda shocked to learn that this guy (who's barely capable of writing a sentence in English) actually is a professor. I assumed he made that part up, like when dudes on right-wing message boards claim to be Navy SEALs.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 20 June 2016 22:07 (1 week ago) Permalink

have you read the prose of tenured faculty?

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2016 22:08 (1 week ago) Permalink

Nope; I barely graduated high school and only did three semesters of community college.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 20 June 2016 22:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

I was kinda shocked to learn that this guy (who's barely capable of writing a sentence in English) actually is a professor.

yeah, that was my only reaction, though i was more depressed than shocked. shitty writing + shallow thinking + zero research = college professor teaching a course called "evil, death and dystopia".

oculus lump (contenderizer), Monday, 20 June 2016 22:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

http://www.fandm.edu/jeffrey-podoshen

scott seward, Monday, 20 June 2016 22:48 (1 week ago) Permalink

hot topic:

Podoshen, Jeffrey S. (2009), “Distressing Events and Future Purchase Decisions: Jewish Consumers and the Holocaust,” Journal of Consumer Marketing, 26 (4): 263-276.

scott seward, Monday, 20 June 2016 22:49 (1 week ago) Permalink

dark tourism a pretty catchy term:

Podoshen, Jeffrey S. (2016), “Trajectories in Holocaust Tourism,” Journal of Heritage Tourism (in press).

Podoshen, Jeffrey S., Vivek Venkatesh, Jason Wallin, Susan Andrzejewski and Zheng Jin (2015), “Dystopian Dark Tourism: An Exploratory Examination,” Tourism Management, 51 (December), 316-328.

Podoshen, Jeffrey S., Susan Andrzejewski, Vivek Venkatesh and Jason Wallin (2015), “New Approaches to Dark Tourism Inquiry: A Response to Isaac,” Tourism Management, 51 (December), 331-334.

scott seward, Monday, 20 June 2016 22:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

SRO:

BOS 200 - Strategies for Organizing

BOS 341 - Marketing

BOS 480 - Issues Facing Organizations in the 21st Century

Students Please Note: I use the system-generated waitlist for admission into all of my classes after intial registration has ended. I understand that waitlists for my classes are extensive and I wish I could accomodate all interested students in my classes. Unfortunately, this is not possible. Students wishing to find a space in my classes should add themselves to the waitlist in Banner. Banner will automatically add students on the waitlist if/when space becomes available.

scott seward, Monday, 20 June 2016 22:51 (1 week ago) Permalink

nothing says dangerous auth like business school

riverine (map), Monday, 20 June 2016 22:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

This article examines materialism, conspicuous consumption, race, and hip-hop subculture. Our study used survey data from over 1,200 individuals. Results show that African Americans scored higher in materialism and conspicuous consumption compared to non-African Americans. Additionally, those who prefer hip-hop music scored higher in materialism and conspicuous consumption than those who preferred to listen to music in other genres. Implications and historical context are discussed.

sounds like high-quality scholarship i am willing to listen to whatever this guy has to say about sjws

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, 20 June 2016 23:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

Cant get over Decibel actually publishing that article

Cosmic Slop, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 13:45 (1 week ago) Permalink

sky ferreira went off on the L.A. Weekly piece

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7415477/sky-ferreira-response-la-weekly-sexist-article-madonna

nomar, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 19:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

metalsucks went off on the decibel piece

http://www.metalsucks.net/2016/06/21/decibels-guest-column-sjws-destroying-extreme-music-disagree/

fact checking cuz, Tuesday, 21 June 2016 20:06 (1 week ago) Permalink

Nice x2! Some decent writing came from poor writing

niels, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 19:13 (6 days ago) Permalink

I mean the former is an aggregation of tweets

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 20:24 (6 days ago) Permalink

But what tweets

niels, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 21:42 (6 days ago) Permalink

I like how they let the dumbest person go first and let Bram bat cleanup.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 22 June 2016 23:09 (6 days ago) Permalink

bram's batting third. nick ("Corpsegrinder is a World of Warcraft-playing dork who spends one hour a day growling songs about murder") is in the cleanup spot.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 23:27 (6 days ago) Permalink

(apologies, but as your fact checking cuz, i do feel kind of obligated)

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 June 2016 23:28 (6 days ago) Permalink

What's craziest about that metal SJW piece is the implication that murder and arson are normal and natural, and part of the "appeal" of extreme metal. That might be true for some people, but it doesn't exactly amount to a convincing case against social justice in metal.

jmm, Saturday, 25 June 2016 14:13 (3 days ago) Permalink

What's craziest is no one outside of the like 100 people in metal media cares about any of this.

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 25 June 2016 14:23 (3 days ago) Permalink

So we should only post examples of bad music writing that the general public actually cares about? Good luck.

Evan, Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:14 (3 days ago) Permalink

Nah, piece def belonged here, I'm more talking about everyone writing responses

queen elseq of ærendelle (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:47 (3 days ago) Permalink

murder and arson are normal and natural

Of course, just normal and natural to the EXTREME.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:54 (3 days ago) Permalink

Personally, I'm waiting to hear the Obama press conference addressing this extreme metal controversy. He should invite the author and his critics out for beers.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 June 2016 15:55 (3 days ago) Permalink

are there ANY music articles that dont appeal to just 100 people in the media these days?

Cosmic Slop, Saturday, 25 June 2016 16:09 (3 days ago) Permalink

not really

if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 25 June 2016 16:19 (3 days ago) Permalink

are there ANY music articles that dont appeal to just 100 people in the media these days?

― Cosmic Slop

yes, but they're by chuck klosterman

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Saturday, 25 June 2016 17:02 (3 days ago) Permalink

*sobs*

maura, Saturday, 25 June 2016 18:08 (3 days ago) Permalink

so many people shared that de la soul thing. if you write sucky stuff about things you don't like lots of non-media people will read you.

scott seward, Saturday, 25 June 2016 18:22 (3 days ago) Permalink

The nihilism and violence of the second wave Norwegian scene was "interesting" insofar as it was a determinate negation of certain stupid tendencies within extreme music but it seems like a bad idea to argue that that sort of thing should be allowed to continue within the scene by people who should know better. The writer of that decibel piece seems like a bad person.

Treeship, Saturday, 25 June 2016 18:50 (3 days ago) Permalink


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