OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

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From this week's R&R (Reviewed & Rated) section of Exeter University Guild Of Students' magnificent student paper, Exeposé...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

Argh, nu-ilx has shrunk it slightly past readable; here's a direct link - http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/njsouthall/Screengrabs/onsellingoutexepose.jpg

I just boggled at this over my lunch.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:18 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Jonny" is a name for gaywads

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:20 (nine years ago) Permalink

This only proves again that editors and writers are two different professions. Hence the two names.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

You are actually posting a scan of an article from a student newspaper as the basis for a thread, aren't you? Good lord.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

It's a screengrab from the pdf off the website! They didn't have a normal text version...

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

can you link to the website? photobucket seems to be banned here.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://www.exepose.ex.ac.uk

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:30 (nine years ago) Permalink

goes from strength to strength -- feeder mention is possibly the high point.

That one guy that quit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:31 (nine years ago) Permalink

System of a Down's top 20 single was six and a half years ago, fact fans.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:32 (nine years ago) Permalink

"Recent developments in music have given Architechs a top 5 single"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

surely this can't be THE jonny garrett?

http://www.myspace.com/chasingfaces

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

(yeah, they have a myspace already, the sellouts)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

I suspect it must be, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:34 (nine years ago) Permalink

I assume, from their name that they like Snow Patrol and The Small Faces.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

um, holding up articles by students as examples of 'bad music writing'? talk about shooting fish in a barrel. Matt DC OTM.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Following in the footsteps of West Country acts like Muse and Thirteen Senses by already winning over interest from various major and independent record labels, things are definitely looking good for the boys. Having recently been asked to support New Zealand favourites The Checks who have just finished touring with the likes of JET and Oasis.

"I know someone who knows someone who knows the guy from Young Heart Attack quite well"

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

Even in the realm of student media this is BAAAAAAAAD though, Steve - I flick through Exepose every week and this is BY FAR the worst thing I've ever seen in it; hence not starting a thread every week.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

Haha I used to write for that paper. I wonder how long before he Googles his own name and finds it.

Matt DC, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:39 (nine years ago) Permalink

It would be so wonderful if he googled this thread and responded. What an utterly thrilling discussion and exchange of views that could lead to.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey, with any luck he might hop over to ILE and start posting about his sex life or something.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

(my question: is the article motivated by his own band possibly signing to a major soon?)

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Maybe I should unleash the views of Chris Erasmus at you all?

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:42 (nine years ago) Permalink

Haha, yeah, I'd imagine so, StanM.

Scik Mouthy, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hello Jonny's mom! No, he hasn't posted about his sex life yet. Try again later. Bye, ILX.

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:43 (nine years ago) Permalink

blueski and Matt DC offtm, this is the new web2.0 media era, we're all critics now, user provided content is the new professionally written content.

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:36 (11 minutes ago) Link

Dom is entirely correct here. I mean, the chuckle factor is diminished by him being a student, but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

sanskrit, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:54 (nine years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 12:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

Nobody knows how to sub-edit when they're 21, that's why.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

^^not unrelated to why writers in the say, New York Times tend to sound the same. for that matter, ever read Blender? Despite the bylines it seems to be written by one many-armed poprockbot.

m coleman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

that really is quite incredible.

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

New York Times doesn't have sub-editors? That's crazy!

acrobat, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

Hey Jonny, your band fucking suck.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:10 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jonny Garrett of Exeter University, that is.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:11 (nine years ago) Permalink

I think you mean <a href="OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?;>Jonny Garrett</a> of Exeter University.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

BOO HTML

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:14 (nine years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University. Those bastards have had it their own way for too long.

Noodle Vague, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Does Westlife even exist anymore?

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:16 (nine years ago) Permalink

highlights:

"...bands like westlife who can, quite frankly, go screw themselves with a rusty spoon and get tetanus"

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard one of the most influential artists of our time and dave grohl may have never founded the foo fighters."

the pathos!

jed_, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:17 (nine years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

democratization of criticism = people slagging this shit off just because they can rather than for any constructive cause. it's just easy target practice, who gives a shit? no-one/nothing is ever going to stop under-grads inheriting these absurd ideas about 'how things should be' in the music industry. surely we've all read this same article many times in the past.

i'm just more relieved than ever my music writing from college days was too soon for blog-era internet heh.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:19 (nine years ago) Permalink

"had nirvana not signed to sub pop... we would probably never have heard of..." Sub Pop.

NickB, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Was there ever a thread for people to post their own abysmal juvenile music writings from uni days?

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

Not that I'd post on it, my capsule reviews of Kinesis singles were all fuckin bang-on.

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:21 (nine years ago) Permalink

perhaps one day i will post my 8/10 track by track review of 'Be Here Now' from the time.

blueski, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

Yeah, you real writers are all jealous that you've lost the ability to write like that, aren't you?

StanM, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

I wrote a two-part article in my uni paper called "Rhythm & Sound", which basically stated that all rock music that's based on melody or lyrics is boring crap, and that beats and sound are the essential components of good music - hence electronic dance music (and fusion jazz) is the best music there is. I got some angry comments from the indie kids.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

Kudos on sticking it to Westlife, tho, Jonny Garrett of Exeter University.

and kudos to you lot for bravely and relentlessly going after such a signifivcant target as jonny garrett. sure showed him!

ts being one of many thick students w/ bad music taste who can't write, vs being someone who actually gives a shit about what said student writes in some minor student rag

or, matt'n'steve otm, u r all losers

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

but the democratization of criticism basically leaves us with this sort of landscape (coughcoughP.E.W.cough).

student newspapers have nothing to do with the "democratization of criticism"

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

I can't copy and paste from the Exeter Expose, but if you Google you can find a review where our Jonny talks about "Indy music".

Dom Passantino, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

also why do nearly all student newspaper writers write in what feels like the same voice? there's certain syntax and word choices that only student newspapers ever seem to have.

paul please, please tell me you don't actually care about the answer to this

lex pretend, Monday, 18 June 2007 13:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

When I was standing in line to validate a parking ticket after American Hustle, “Pretty Hurts” was stuck in my head, and I couldn’t get it out, even after sitting in a theater honed in on another piece of media for nearly three hours. Those are the moments that matter, and they never happen immediately. That’s how I was proven wrong.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 February 2017 16:37 (one month ago) Permalink

When I was standing in line to validate a parking ticket after Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius, “The Chicken Dance” was stuck in my head, and I couldn’t get it out, even after sitting in a theater honed in on another piece of media for nearly three hours. Those are the moments that matter, and they never happen immediately. That’s how I was proven wrong.

pomenitul, Monday, 13 February 2017 16:41 (one month ago) Permalink

this one time at band camp

removed from the rain drops and drop tops of experience (ulysses), Monday, 13 February 2017 18:46 (one month ago) Permalink

lol, the byline is a good kicker

maura, Monday, 13 February 2017 21:49 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

well there's this
http://louderthanwar.com/221207-2/#.WMevy6R8hts.twitter

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 20:58 (one week ago) Permalink

i mean, not the worst. just painfully earnest and long and sorta unreadable.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 17 March 2017 16:32 (one week ago) Permalink

a good editor coulda saved it, but we don't have those anymore

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 17 March 2017 16:33 (one week ago) Permalink

well we do, they're just not employed to edit

mark s, Friday, 17 March 2017 16:42 (one week ago) Permalink

I've liked a lot of Everett True's writing through the years, not such a fan now he's dismissing music on the grounds of being made by a "beardy ginge". It's almost enough to make me try listening to Ed Sheeran.

https://everetttrue.wordpress.com/2017/03/18/ed-sheeran-is-shit/

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 19 March 2017 15:47 (one week ago) Permalink

good music made by a beardy ginge or beardy ginges: Vivian Stanshall, Average White Band - who else?

soref, Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:07 (one week ago) Permalink

mark s, Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:12 (one week ago) Permalink


my fave dead beardy ginge

calzino, Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:28 (one week ago) Permalink

mark s, Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:32 (one week ago) Permalink

mark s, Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:40 (one week ago) Permalink

mark s, Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:46 (one week ago) Permalink

mark s, Sunday, 19 March 2017 17:14 (one week ago) Permalink

absolutely shocked that E True wrote something in the style of a pissy 15 year-old

Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 19 March 2017 17:19 (one week ago) Permalink

Vlogs from other credible bands such as Shed Seven (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 19 March 2017 18:02 (one week ago) Permalink

absolutely shocked that E True wrote something in the style of a pissy 15 year-old

― Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague), Sunday, March 19, 2017 10:19 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Sunday, 19 March 2017 20:59 (one week ago) Permalink

so True, funny how it seems

salthigh, Sunday, 19 March 2017 21:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Not enough comparing of aquariums to blue construction paper or mentions of the interiors of geodes for my liking. Ed Sheeran is shit, though, so there is that.

Coolio Iglesias (Turrican), Sunday, 19 March 2017 21:30 (one week ago) Permalink

Doran, Monday, 20 March 2017 21:21 (one week ago) Permalink

This review of the new Harriet Tubman album is kind of amazing...if you want to read the author's (actually pretty positive) thoughts about the music, you have to skip to paragraph 14. He had some stuff he wanted to get off his chest first, though.

https://www.allaboutjazz.com/araminta-by-budd-kopman.php

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 20 March 2017 21:27 (one week ago) Permalink

wow

SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 March 2017 21:34 (one week ago) Permalink

yikes

maura, Monday, 20 March 2017 21:34 (one week ago) Permalink

how dare SJWs politicize a band called Harriet Tubman

SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 March 2017 21:35 (one week ago) Permalink

the n-word "Nazi"

lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 20 March 2017 21:36 (one week ago) Permalink

BUDD KOPMAN seems like such a computer generated sock-name for a jazz reviewer as well, mind you so does Harriet Tubman!

calzino, Monday, 20 March 2017 21:43 (one week ago) Permalink

So, who really are the fascists?

hmm, indeed

mh 😏, Monday, 20 March 2017 21:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Now, what does all of the above have to do with Araminta by the band Harriet Tubman? The given name of Harriet Tubman the woman was Araminta Ross, hence the name of the album. Politically, the message is hardly controversial in that they are preaching to the converted.

Musically, however, the story is entirely different

Sad lols. This guy's lost the plot.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 20 March 2017 21:47 (one week ago) Permalink

Trump, Brexit, Marine Le Pen and Geert Wilders represent some of the voices and actions that are saying "No more! We are defending our culture!" This self-evident attitude is considered so horrifically shocking and immoral that college students have to retreat to their "safe spaces" so as not to be infected by "white privilege."

i... uh. ok... hm. *slowly backs away*

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Monday, 20 March 2017 21:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't mind reviews where people go off on little odysseys, that good person who did the Thelonious Monk review for P4k did it well recently. But this cunt needs to be taken around the back and put out of his misery.

calzino, Monday, 20 March 2017 22:07 (one week ago) Permalink

I strongly suggest checking out Budd's personal page.

https://www.jazzatbudds.com/

You are on the official website of Budd Kopman. I am a regular reviewer at AllAboutJazz who gets a kick out of being able to combine my love for jazz with computer programming.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 March 2017 22:21 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still pondering the image at the top of the page, of course.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 March 2017 22:22 (one week ago) Permalink

I suspect Don van Gorp will be particularly amused by this page:

https://www.jazzatbudds.com/musings.php

Ned Raggett, Monday, 20 March 2017 22:23 (one week ago) Permalink

the 'musings' section makes me think of an ilx thread with those three posts, then "11 years pass", then dozens of paragraphs ranting about sjws

is he a professional reviewer or is AllAboutJazz a website where anyone can set up an account and start posting stuff?

soref, Monday, 20 March 2017 22:31 (one week ago) Permalink

WASTEMAN

soref, Monday, 20 March 2017 22:33 (one week ago) Permalink

is he a professional reviewer or is AllAboutJazz a website where anyone can set up an account and start posting stuff?

The latter.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Monday, 20 March 2017 22:39 (one week ago) Permalink

the game of trying to figure out who online is a reasonably well-adjusted person and who is just sitting alone in a room pounding on a keyboard alone coming up with hateful ideas of the world at large

brb the cat just walked in, need to see what he wants

mh 😏, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 00:53 (six days ago) Permalink

melvin gibbs' response to the araminta review:
https://www.facebook.com/melvin.gibbs/posts/10208792547123250

aaj editor michael ricci's apology (the review has been taken down):
https://www.allaboutjazz.com/jazz-in-the-age-of-the-politicization-of-everything-araminta-harriet-tubman-by-budd-kopman.php?pg=1

mark s, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:09 (five days ago) Permalink

I didn't get to see the Kopman piece before it was taken down, sound like I'm not missing much though

Wimmels, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:22 (five days ago) Permalink

sorry, i meant to link this too (gibbs preserves/reposts the original): https://www.facebook.com/melvin.gibbs/posts/10208795027665262?pnref=story

mark s, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:25 (five days ago) Permalink

I didn't get to see the Kopman piece before it was taken down, sound like I'm not missing much though

yet another chance to test your rage aneurysm threshold / eyeroll capacity

Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:39 (five days ago) Permalink

gibbs piece is excellent, if perhaps too kind

Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 21:40 (five days ago) Permalink

I cannot begin to convey the degre of shock I experienced when, after all that buildup, the album review turned out to be positive.

Champiness, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 23:14 (five days ago) Permalink

idk I don't think you necessarily need derrida to take down that review

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 23:39 (five days ago) Permalink

Hasn't this clown noticed that Wilders lost?

Ongar Is An Energy (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 23:49 (five days ago) Permalink

bud kopman notices JAZZ, buddy

Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Thursday, 23 March 2017 01:01 (four days ago) Permalink


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