NME Top 100 British Albums Ever List

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Thanks fandango, but we'll do as we like.

The built-in redundancy of these lists drives me nuts. It HAS to be one artist-one album. I mean what is the sense in having two Pulp, two Swide and two of the 'britpop' Blur albums in there, when so little new ground is covered between each pair. They're all shit records anyway, but forgodsake CHOOSE between them Likewise Led Zep II and IV. I can see the sense in Bowie having say Ziggy and Low in there, maybe...but not Ziggy and Hunky Dory.

I'd have Soft Machine, Cream, Buggles, Yardbirds, Adverts, Sandie Shaw, The Move, Leftfield, Floyd in there.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh You beat me to it with some of those, Stew.

Kirsty McColl.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the way it's slanted, yes.

Actually, I haven't really read it in so long I don't know if they're being as bullish as they were in the Britpop years w/r/t sidelining all other music that is not guitar-pop-rock in origin.

It's more that they're just (as Nick put it) re-writing history via ommission of all that "other" stuff (electronics, women, black music) and hoping it's readers are dumb enough not to notice.

I actually feel like they've gone too far with it for even the stereotypical 17 year old in Doncaster not to feel like their intelligence is being insulted this time... but time will tell!

xpost - Dr.C, I'm probably just trying to convince myself (and it hasn't worked) that this list is irrelevant, and doesn't need dissecting. Trust me it gets my goat too!!

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It's bullshit, undeserving of respect or serious consideration.

I'm not sure of all of that.

They have some major flaw, some of which these post have pointed out but to totally dismiss all of it is rather hollow.

They realize the brillance of Super Furry Animals but forgot the Boo Raldeys so I have some major concerns to do dismiss the whole is list is a cop out, IMO.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - my reply was for Tim Finney oops

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Boo Radleys

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

-- BeeOK, yes there are indeed good albums on the list!

But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.

I mean the Q list makes more 'sense' than this, and the bias is understandable because it's a naturally occuring one. This NME list is like a political statement.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.

We are coming from the same place, just going about it differently.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

A list ought to be a political statement, if it's anything at all. Think of Johnny Rotten's "Hates/Loves" t-shirt or the Nurse With Wound list. The problem here is the NME is making a depressingly conservative, reactionary statement.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe we've been gerrymandered.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

No Talk Talk.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I was only really expecting a very conservative list. But even as such it's totally flawed as far as choices go. Great seeing stuff like Spacemen 3 and the Pretty Things in there, worthy or not, but all those redundant Britpop entries that Dr C. pointed out are plain idiotic.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

No Orange Juice 'You Can't Hide Your Love Forever', no Pentangle 'Basket Of Light', no Belle and Sebastian 'If You're Feeling Sinister'.

RUBBISH.

beaux knee (boney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't mind talking about the NME. However dire it's become, it still represents some kind of force in music fandom. It's not like I'm gonna buy the thing.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

funnily i thought the Boo Radleys as well.

No John Martyn either.

No pop either...

seems british means... things twenty something men like or were told to like.

Danny boy, Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I was trying to say the same thing by saying it is rather 90's heavy.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Have *we* done a British albums poll to settle things for once and for all?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts - The problem here is the NME is making a depressingly conservative, reactionary statement.

Obvious, but OTM (and the rest of it too).

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

But then I guess the NME isn't kidding itself it's about anything other than flogging stuff, nowadays. Which isn't to say that when it thought it was on a Mission it wasn't really just flogging stuff, but this noughties consumerista cynicism/apathy is even more depressing than the Red Wedge years.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

there was a thread on best british albums re: an observer music monthly OMM list back in 2004 ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of you guys here will always be discontent with a list unless

1. The list pretends The Beatles never existed
2. At least half of the albums on the list are by African American acts.

Better realise you'll never see a list like that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

funnily i thought the Boo Radleys as well.

-- Danny boy

Great minds think the same, ect.

I'm such a fan that I think three albums from the 90's are some of the best music ever made, yes ever. Over the years I realize that not many people share the same belief but they are the best band of the 90's. No not for everyone but who the hell are as creative and took the chances that they did and succeeded more time than not?

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

x post

Do I hear the crunch crunch of jackboots?

Anyway, if I made a list I'd probly exclude the Beatles because why not?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Any "best of british" albums list w/o any iron maiden in it is meaningless, and I don't even like iron maiden much. Not much in the way of metal generally, strangely enough.

Also nb shocking lack of VdGG, pink floyd, yes, genesis etc, despite there supposedly being a critical re-evaluation of pr*g in the last few years. Still a 4-letter word @ nme towers, eh.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding "Disintegration", it compares with "Be Here Now" the following ways

1. Both are clearly too long, partly as a result of the songs being too long
2. Both are among those very few records I can think of where the term "overproduced" makes sense.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

NME has mainly embraced the "punk" side of the current nostalgia trends, which makes it hardly a surprise that they haven't included any prog.

And if you want metal albums in the list, then read Kerrang.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The NME virtually invented that stoopid version of Punk that pretends Prog was an evolutionary dead-end. In fact you can read this list as the NME still flailing after the shirt-tails of Punk and still getting it wrong 30 years on.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

previous:

Observer Music Monthly Top 100 British Albums

Best British Albums Ever Poll.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, I'd just like it to look more like an honest representation of the best of British (mainstream) music AS IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED which would probably be far more interesting, and, make the NME's support for a lot of sub-par acts at the time seem pretty foolish in retrospect.

Even you can't say Oasis >>> Beatles surely??

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding "Disintegration", it compares with "Be Here Now" the following ways

1. Both are clearly too long, partly as a result of the songs being too long
2. Both are among those very few records I can think of where the term "overproduced" makes sense.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometime not everyone knows what an album really is all about. With this album a lot of people get why this album as a whole is a classic...

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Compare it to this:

Kerrang! The 100 Best British Rock Albums Ever!


As Voted By The Readers – 1ssue #1044 - Feb 19 2005

1. Black Sabbath – Black Sabbath - 1970
2. Iron Maide – Number Of The Beast – 1982
3. Sex Pistols – Never Mind The Bollocks… - 1977
4. Led Zeppelin – IV – 1971
5. Black Sabbath – Paranoid – 1970
6. Muse – Absolution – 2003
7. The Clash – London Calling – 1979
8. Queen – Sheer Heart Attack – 1974
9. Iron Maiden – 1980
10. Manic Street Preachers – The Holy Bible – 1994
11. Led Zeppelin – Physical Graffiti – 1975
12. Judas Priest – British Steel – 1980
13. Def Leppard – Hysteria – 1987
14. Black Sabbath – Vol IV – 1972
15. The Darkness – Permission To Land – 2003
16. Ozzy Osbourne – Blizzard Of Oz – 1980
17. The Wildhearts – Earth Vs The Wildhearts – 1993
18. Lostprophets – Start Something – 2004
19. Queen – A Night At The Opera – 1975
20. Muse – Origin Of Symmetry – 2001
21. Ash – Free All Angels – 2001
22. Motorhead – Ace Of Spades – 1980
23. Stereophonics – Performance And Cocktails – 1999
24. Manic Street Preachers – Everything Must Go – 1996
25. Feeder – Echo Park – 2001
26. Led Zeppelin – II – 1969
27. Cradle Of Filth – Cruelty And The Beast – 1998
28. Iron Maden – Brave New World – 2000
29. The Clash – The Clash – 1977
30. Funeral For A Friend – Casually Dressed And Deep In Conversation – 2003
31. Therapy? – Troublegum – 1994
32. Feeder – Comfort In Sound – 2003
33. Ozzy Osbourne – Diary Of A Madman – 1981
34. Deep Purple – Machine Head – 1972
35. The Dammed – Machine Gun Etiquette – 1979
36. Def Leppard – Pyromania – 1983
37. Hundred Reasons – Ideas Above Our Station - 2002
38. Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon – 1973
39. The Prodigy – Fat Of The Land – 1997
40. Muse – Showbiz – 1999
41. Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin – 1969
42. Manic Street Preachers – Generation Terrorists – 1992
43. Ash – 1977 – 1996
44. Iron Maiden –Killers – 1981
45. Pitchshifter – Www.Pitchifter.Com – 1998
46. Judas Priest – Screaming For Vengeance – 1982
47. Idlewild – Hope Is Important – 1998
48. Biffy Clyro – Infinity Land – 2004
49. Reef – Glow – 1997
50. Napalm Death – Scum – 1987
51. Lost Prophets – The Fake Sound Of Progress – 2001
52. Saxon – Wheels Of Steel – 1980
53. The Cult – Electric – 1987
54. Skunk Anansie – Paranoid And Sunburnt – 1995
55. Bush – Sixteen Stone – 1994
56. Deep Purple – Deep Purple In Rock – 1970
57. ‘A’ – Hi Fi Serious – 2002
58. Hell Is For Heroes – The Neon Handshake – 2003
59. Whitesnake – 1987 – 1987
60. Terrorvision – How To Make Friend And Influence People – 1994
61. Free – Fire And Water – 1970
62. Led Zeppelin – Houses Of The Holy – 1973
63. Black Sabbath – Master Of Reality – 1971
64. Judas Priest – Stained Class – 1978
65. Idlewild – 100 Broken Windows – 2000
66. Skunk Anansie – Stoosh – 1996
67. Killing Joke – Killing Joke - 1980
68. Venom – Black Metal – 1982
69. Iron Monkey – Iron Monkey – 1997
70. The Wildhearts – P.H.U.Q. – 1995
71. Motorhead – Overkill – 1979
72. Queen – Queen II – 1974
73. Feeder – Yesterday Went Too Soon – 1999
74. Rainbow – Rising – 1976
75. Sisters Of Mercy – Floodland – 1987
76. Therapy? – Nurse – 1992
77. Biffy Clyro – Blackened Sky – 2002
78. Godflesh – Streetcleaner – 1990
79. Earthone9 – Arc’tan’gent – 2000
80. Bush – Razorblade Suitcase – 1997
81. Stereophonics – Word Gets Around – 1997
82. 3 Colours Red – Pure – 1997
83. Cathedral – The Ethereal Mirror – 1993
84. Thunder – Backstreet Symphony – 1990
85. Raging Speedhorn – Raging Speedhorn – 2000
86. Paradise Lost – Draconian Times – 1995
87. Feeder – Polythene – 1997
88. Stiff Little Fingers – Inflammable Material – 1979
89. ‘A’ – ‘A’ Vs Monkey Kong – 1999
90. Discharge – Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing – 1982
91. The Ruts – The Crack – 1979
92. Fudge Tunnel – Hate Songs In E Minor – 1991
93. Baby Chaos – Love Your Self Abuse – 1996
94. Carcass – Symphonies Of Sickness – 1989
95. Gang Of Four – Entertainment – 1979
96. Orange Goblin – Time Travelling Blues – 1998
97. The Exploited – Troops Of Tomorrow – 1982
98. Cradle Of Filth – Dusk And Her Embrace – 1996
99. Anathema – A Fine Day To Exit – 2001
100. Therapy? – Infernal Love – 1995

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of you guys here will always be discontent with a list unless
1. The list pretends The Beatles never existed
2. At least half of the albums on the list are by African American acts.

Better realise you'll never see a list like that.

Geir while you may not read magazines like Hip Hop Connection and Touch I would at least have thought you would be aware of them.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite an indie crossover at Kerrang these days isn't there?

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir while you may not read magazines like Hip Hop Connection and Touch I would at least have thought you would be aware of them.

Of course he is. How else would he know where to send the nailbombs to?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That Kerrang is horrid, something I will never look at again.

It is not something to take seriously unless you are 18 and smoke pot everyday.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

That Kerrang is horrid, something I will never look at again.

It is not something to take seriously unless you are 18 and smoke pot everyday.

That list or the actual Kerrang magazine?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I wish I was 18 and smoking dope every day.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Kerrang's current editorial strategy is v.poor at the mo.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

All three Muse albums are in the top 40, greatest band ever!

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

what an ILM Best British Albums list MIGHT look like:

1. my bloody valentine - loveless
2. rolling stones - let it bleed
3. radiohead - kid a
4. joy division - unknown pleasures
5. stone roses - the stone roses
6. radiohead - ok computer
7. david bowie - hunky dory
8. pulp - different class
9. new order - technique
10. beatles - revolver
11. tricky - maxinquaye
12. rolling stones - exile on main st
13. joy division - closer
14. rolling stones - sticky fingers
15. pet shop boys - very
16. magnetic fields - 69 love songs
17. dexy's midnight runners - searching for the young soul rebels
18. david bowie - the rise and fall of ziggy stardust...
19. boards of canada - music has the right to children
20. orbital - in sides
21. pet shop boys - behaviour
22. pulp - his n' hers
23. beatles - rubber soul
24. clash - london calling
25. massive attack - blue lines
26. beatles - sgt peppers lonely hearts club band
27. kate bush - the hounds of love
28. happy mondays - pills n' thrills n' bellyache
29. scritti politti - cupid and psyche 85
30. primal scream - screamadelica
31. portishead - dummy
32. human league - dare
33. boards of canada - geogaddi
34. abc - lexicon of love
35. smiths - the queen is dead
36. pet shop boys - please
37. radiohead - the bends
38. morrissey - vauxhall and i
39. scritti politti - provision
40. roxy music - roxy music
41. roxy music - for your pleasure
42. pil - metal box
43. new order - movement
44. kate bush - the dreaming
45. blur - parklife
46. kinks - village green preservation society
47. underworld - dubnobasswithmyheadman
48. klf - chill out
49. david bowie - low
50. streets - original pirate material
51. smiths - hatful of hollow
52. radiohead - amnesiac
53. pink floyd - wish you were here
54. clash - sandinista!
55. stereolab - emperor tomato ketchup
56. radiohead - hail to the thief
57. pink floyd - dark side of the moon
58. pet shop boys - actually
59. saint etienne - so tough
60. gang of four - entertainment
61. chemical brothers - dig your own hole
62. massive attack - mezzanine
63. spiritualized - ladies and gentlemen...
64. madness - one step beyond
65. dizzee rascal - boy in da corner
66. aphex twin - selected ambient works volume 2
67. saint etienne - foxbase alpha
68. led zeppelin - led zeppelin II
69. slits - cut
70. happy mondays - bummed
71. gary numan - the pleasure principle
72. fall - hex education hour
73. basement jaxx - rooty
74. prodigy - music for the jilted generation
75. streets - a grand don't come for free
76. suede - suede
77. smiths - strangeways here we come
78. disco inferno - d.i. go pop
79. belle and sebastian - the boy with the arab strap
80. orbital - 2/brown album
81. suede - dog man star
82. pj harvey - to bring you my love
83. talk talk - spirit of eden
84. spice girls - spice
85. soft cell - non-stop erotic cabaret
86. john martyn - solid air
87. john cale - paris 1919
88. jesus and mary chain - psychocandy
89. gorky's zygotic mynci - bwd times
90. fall - this nation's saving grace
91. suede - coming up
92. elastica - elastica
93. basement jaxx - remedy
94. wedding present - sea monsters
95. prodigy - experience
96. depeche mode - construction time again
97. girls aloud - what will the neighbours say?
98. beatles - the beatles
99. who - my generation
100. belle and sebastian - tigermilk


The Cure would probably get in somewhere with something - Oasis or The Pistols? not so sure

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I do like how the Muse fanbase is actually a kinda precursor to the Arctic Monkey/Babyshambles "Buy any crap with the band's name attached to it" phenomenom, so both the NME and the Kerrangs have to make a token effort to attracting them.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Talk Talk would be higher! And Colour Of Spring and Laughing Stock would get in too!

Loveless would actually be about 10th, I reckon. OK Computer would win.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Kate Bush would be WAY higher.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I wish I was 18 and smoking dope every day.

Me too, having all this knowledge sucks ass!

Maybe (the ass part) isn't so bad. ;-)

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i forgot Wham!

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Bummed would win. If the Stone Roses made Top 10 I would be forced to issue a fatwah.

x post

What knowledge?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

some albums i jotted down as missing yesterday:

Hex, Orbital Brown, My Life in the Bush of Ghosts, Strange Times, Pornography, A Kiss in the Dreamhouse, Red Mecca, Infected, Treasure, New Gold Dream, Power Corruption & Lies, Spectral Mornings, i, Cupid & Psyche 85, Metal Box, JuJu, Pawn Hearts, Rock Bottom, Deceit, A Walk Across the Rooftops, Babble, Spirit of Eden, Peter Gabriel 3, Peter Gabriel 4, DI Go Pop, The Return of The Durutti Column, Sulk, Metamatic, No Pussyfooting, Gone to Earth, Violator, Lowlife, Steve Mcqueen, First and Last and Always, Surfing on Sine Windows, 76:14 , red, dark side of the moon, the lamb lies down on broadway

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

if we'd had the ILM 80s poll results by now that would certainly help with the picture

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:56 (eighteen years ago) link


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