NME Top 100 British Albums Ever List

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Sure, it wasn't your taste I was querying, just the idea that older automatically equals better.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Having said that, first Teardrop Explodes is still a better record. (x-post)

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait there, no Astral Weeks? Wuh!

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

xxxpost. I thought of Dusty immediately but what LP. Dusty In Memphis and the Gamble and Huff stuff after it are her best I reckon, but hardly 'British'. Maybe A Girl Called Dusty or Dusty Definitely?

XTC should be in there : Black Sea prob. GO2 is better.

xpost Teardrop Explodes - YES!

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Apart from Loveless, which is a contentious geographical choice, the absence of Dusty In Memphis and Astral Weeks (he's from Belfast innit?) is appalling.
Still, the NME's Monkeys better than Beatles marketing ploy has worked. The Guardian has fallen for it hook, line and sinker. Even though they acknowledge this, they've still been hooked.
*Steve Sutherland sits rubbing his palms and cackling evilly.*

stew!, Thursday, 26 January 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

No T-Rex! :o(

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:12 (eighteen years ago) link

No T-Rex! :o(

OT(fucking)M

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago) link

'Remedy' is the best British album of the last 20 years.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the attempts to try and see the sense in this collection.

It's bullshit, undeserving of respect or serious consideration.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The lack of OK Computer in the top 20 and the preponderance of britpop suggests to me that NME are going through one of their pro "classic song" cycles - is this correct?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

No Ian Dury.... in fact I don't think there's any Pub Rock at all unless you include Elvis Costello.
No Traffic.
No Yardbirds.
No Cream.
No Syd Barrett / Pink Floyd (surely Piper At The Gates Of Dawn...?)
No Kevin Ayers / Robert Wyatt / Soft Machine.
No Caravan.
No Gong.
No Fairport Convention.
No Chieftains.
No Pogues.
No Donovan.
No Incredible String Band.
No Steeleye Span.
No Bert Jansch.
No Ewan MacColl.
No John Martyn.
No Ralph McTell.
No Strawbs.
No Barclay James Harvest.

It's not looking good, is it?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks fandango, but we'll do as we like.

The built-in redundancy of these lists drives me nuts. It HAS to be one artist-one album. I mean what is the sense in having two Pulp, two Swide and two of the 'britpop' Blur albums in there, when so little new ground is covered between each pair. They're all shit records anyway, but forgodsake CHOOSE between them Likewise Led Zep II and IV. I can see the sense in Bowie having say Ziggy and Low in there, maybe...but not Ziggy and Hunky Dory.

I'd have Soft Machine, Cream, Buggles, Yardbirds, Adverts, Sandie Shaw, The Move, Leftfield, Floyd in there.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Uh You beat me to it with some of those, Stew.

Kirsty McColl.

Dr.C (Dr.C), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the way it's slanted, yes.

Actually, I haven't really read it in so long I don't know if they're being as bullish as they were in the Britpop years w/r/t sidelining all other music that is not guitar-pop-rock in origin.

It's more that they're just (as Nick put it) re-writing history via ommission of all that "other" stuff (electronics, women, black music) and hoping it's readers are dumb enough not to notice.

I actually feel like they've gone too far with it for even the stereotypical 17 year old in Doncaster not to feel like their intelligence is being insulted this time... but time will tell!

xpost - Dr.C, I'm probably just trying to convince myself (and it hasn't worked) that this list is irrelevant, and doesn't need dissecting. Trust me it gets my goat too!!

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It's bullshit, undeserving of respect or serious consideration.

I'm not sure of all of that.

They have some major flaw, some of which these post have pointed out but to totally dismiss all of it is rather hollow.

They realize the brillance of Super Furry Animals but forgot the Boo Raldeys so I have some major concerns to do dismiss the whole is list is a cop out, IMO.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:50 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost - my reply was for Tim Finney oops

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The Boo Radleys

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

-- BeeOK, yes there are indeed good albums on the list!

But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.

I mean the Q list makes more 'sense' than this, and the bias is understandable because it's a naturally occuring one. This NME list is like a political statement.

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 12:55 (eighteen years ago) link

But when the methodology has been so transparently rigged... The whole thing loses a credibility which is kind of important to your (my) belief in the honesty of the process.

We are coming from the same place, just going about it differently.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

A list ought to be a political statement, if it's anything at all. Think of Johnny Rotten's "Hates/Loves" t-shirt or the Nurse With Wound list. The problem here is the NME is making a depressingly conservative, reactionary statement.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I believe we've been gerrymandered.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

No Talk Talk.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I was only really expecting a very conservative list. But even as such it's totally flawed as far as choices go. Great seeing stuff like Spacemen 3 and the Pretty Things in there, worthy or not, but all those redundant Britpop entries that Dr C. pointed out are plain idiotic.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

No Orange Juice 'You Can't Hide Your Love Forever', no Pentangle 'Basket Of Light', no Belle and Sebastian 'If You're Feeling Sinister'.

RUBBISH.

beaux knee (boney), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't mind talking about the NME. However dire it's become, it still represents some kind of force in music fandom. It's not like I'm gonna buy the thing.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:11 (eighteen years ago) link

funnily i thought the Boo Radleys as well.

No John Martyn either.

No pop either...

seems british means... things twenty something men like or were told to like.

Danny boy, Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I was trying to say the same thing by saying it is rather 90's heavy.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Have *we* done a British albums poll to settle things for once and for all?

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link

xposts - The problem here is the NME is making a depressingly conservative, reactionary statement.

Obvious, but OTM (and the rest of it too).

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

x-post

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

But then I guess the NME isn't kidding itself it's about anything other than flogging stuff, nowadays. Which isn't to say that when it thought it was on a Mission it wasn't really just flogging stuff, but this noughties consumerista cynicism/apathy is even more depressing than the Red Wedge years.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

there was a thread on best british albums re: an observer music monthly OMM list back in 2004 ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of you guys here will always be discontent with a list unless

1. The list pretends The Beatles never existed
2. At least half of the albums on the list are by African American acts.

Better realise you'll never see a list like that.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

funnily i thought the Boo Radleys as well.

-- Danny boy

Great minds think the same, ect.

I'm such a fan that I think three albums from the 90's are some of the best music ever made, yes ever. Over the years I realize that not many people share the same belief but they are the best band of the 90's. No not for everyone but who the hell are as creative and took the chances that they did and succeeded more time than not?

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:24 (eighteen years ago) link

x post

Do I hear the crunch crunch of jackboots?

Anyway, if I made a list I'd probly exclude the Beatles because why not?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Any "best of british" albums list w/o any iron maiden in it is meaningless, and I don't even like iron maiden much. Not much in the way of metal generally, strangely enough.

Also nb shocking lack of VdGG, pink floyd, yes, genesis etc, despite there supposedly being a critical re-evaluation of pr*g in the last few years. Still a 4-letter word @ nme towers, eh.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding "Disintegration", it compares with "Be Here Now" the following ways

1. Both are clearly too long, partly as a result of the songs being too long
2. Both are among those very few records I can think of where the term "overproduced" makes sense.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

NME has mainly embraced the "punk" side of the current nostalgia trends, which makes it hardly a surprise that they haven't included any prog.

And if you want metal albums in the list, then read Kerrang.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

The NME virtually invented that stoopid version of Punk that pretends Prog was an evolutionary dead-end. In fact you can read this list as the NME still flailing after the shirt-tails of Punk and still getting it wrong 30 years on.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:27 (eighteen years ago) link

previous:

Observer Music Monthly Top 100 British Albums

Best British Albums Ever Poll.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir, I'd just like it to look more like an honest representation of the best of British (mainstream) music AS IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED which would probably be far more interesting, and, make the NME's support for a lot of sub-par acts at the time seem pretty foolish in retrospect.

Even you can't say Oasis >>> Beatles surely??

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding "Disintegration", it compares with "Be Here Now" the following ways

1. Both are clearly too long, partly as a result of the songs being too long
2. Both are among those very few records I can think of where the term "overproduced" makes sense.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometime not everyone knows what an album really is all about. With this album a lot of people get why this album as a whole is a classic...

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Compare it to this:

Kerrang! The 100 Best British Rock Albums Ever!


As Voted By The Readers – 1ssue #1044 - Feb 19 2005

1. Black Sabbath – Black Sabbath - 1970
2. Iron Maide – Number Of The Beast – 1982
3. Sex Pistols – Never Mind The Bollocks… - 1977
4. Led Zeppelin – IV – 1971
5. Black Sabbath – Paranoid – 1970
6. Muse – Absolution – 2003
7. The Clash – London Calling – 1979
8. Queen – Sheer Heart Attack – 1974
9. Iron Maiden – 1980
10. Manic Street Preachers – The Holy Bible – 1994
11. Led Zeppelin – Physical Graffiti – 1975
12. Judas Priest – British Steel – 1980
13. Def Leppard – Hysteria – 1987
14. Black Sabbath – Vol IV – 1972
15. The Darkness – Permission To Land – 2003
16. Ozzy Osbourne – Blizzard Of Oz – 1980
17. The Wildhearts – Earth Vs The Wildhearts – 1993
18. Lostprophets – Start Something – 2004
19. Queen – A Night At The Opera – 1975
20. Muse – Origin Of Symmetry – 2001
21. Ash – Free All Angels – 2001
22. Motorhead – Ace Of Spades – 1980
23. Stereophonics – Performance And Cocktails – 1999
24. Manic Street Preachers – Everything Must Go – 1996
25. Feeder – Echo Park – 2001
26. Led Zeppelin – II – 1969
27. Cradle Of Filth – Cruelty And The Beast – 1998
28. Iron Maden – Brave New World – 2000
29. The Clash – The Clash – 1977
30. Funeral For A Friend – Casually Dressed And Deep In Conversation – 2003
31. Therapy? – Troublegum – 1994
32. Feeder – Comfort In Sound – 2003
33. Ozzy Osbourne – Diary Of A Madman – 1981
34. Deep Purple – Machine Head – 1972
35. The Dammed – Machine Gun Etiquette – 1979
36. Def Leppard – Pyromania – 1983
37. Hundred Reasons – Ideas Above Our Station - 2002
38. Pink Floyd – Dark Side Of The Moon – 1973
39. The Prodigy – Fat Of The Land – 1997
40. Muse – Showbiz – 1999
41. Led Zeppelin – Led Zeppelin – 1969
42. Manic Street Preachers – Generation Terrorists – 1992
43. Ash – 1977 – 1996
44. Iron Maiden –Killers – 1981
45. Pitchshifter – Www.Pitchifter.Com – 1998
46. Judas Priest – Screaming For Vengeance – 1982
47. Idlewild – Hope Is Important – 1998
48. Biffy Clyro – Infinity Land – 2004
49. Reef – Glow – 1997
50. Napalm Death – Scum – 1987
51. Lost Prophets – The Fake Sound Of Progress – 2001
52. Saxon – Wheels Of Steel – 1980
53. The Cult – Electric – 1987
54. Skunk Anansie – Paranoid And Sunburnt – 1995
55. Bush – Sixteen Stone – 1994
56. Deep Purple – Deep Purple In Rock – 1970
57. ‘A’ – Hi Fi Serious – 2002
58. Hell Is For Heroes – The Neon Handshake – 2003
59. Whitesnake – 1987 – 1987
60. Terrorvision – How To Make Friend And Influence People – 1994
61. Free – Fire And Water – 1970
62. Led Zeppelin – Houses Of The Holy – 1973
63. Black Sabbath – Master Of Reality – 1971
64. Judas Priest – Stained Class – 1978
65. Idlewild – 100 Broken Windows – 2000
66. Skunk Anansie – Stoosh – 1996
67. Killing Joke – Killing Joke - 1980
68. Venom – Black Metal – 1982
69. Iron Monkey – Iron Monkey – 1997
70. The Wildhearts – P.H.U.Q. – 1995
71. Motorhead – Overkill – 1979
72. Queen – Queen II – 1974
73. Feeder – Yesterday Went Too Soon – 1999
74. Rainbow – Rising – 1976
75. Sisters Of Mercy – Floodland – 1987
76. Therapy? – Nurse – 1992
77. Biffy Clyro – Blackened Sky – 2002
78. Godflesh – Streetcleaner – 1990
79. Earthone9 – Arc’tan’gent – 2000
80. Bush – Razorblade Suitcase – 1997
81. Stereophonics – Word Gets Around – 1997
82. 3 Colours Red – Pure – 1997
83. Cathedral – The Ethereal Mirror – 1993
84. Thunder – Backstreet Symphony – 1990
85. Raging Speedhorn – Raging Speedhorn – 2000
86. Paradise Lost – Draconian Times – 1995
87. Feeder – Polythene – 1997
88. Stiff Little Fingers – Inflammable Material – 1979
89. ‘A’ – ‘A’ Vs Monkey Kong – 1999
90. Discharge – Hear Nothing, See Nothing, Say Nothing – 1982
91. The Ruts – The Crack – 1979
92. Fudge Tunnel – Hate Songs In E Minor – 1991
93. Baby Chaos – Love Your Self Abuse – 1996
94. Carcass – Symphonies Of Sickness – 1989
95. Gang Of Four – Entertainment – 1979
96. Orange Goblin – Time Travelling Blues – 1998
97. The Exploited – Troops Of Tomorrow – 1982
98. Cradle Of Filth – Dusk And Her Embrace – 1996
99. Anathema – A Fine Day To Exit – 2001
100. Therapy? – Infernal Love – 1995

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Some of you guys here will always be discontent with a list unless
1. The list pretends The Beatles never existed
2. At least half of the albums on the list are by African American acts.

Better realise you'll never see a list like that.

Geir while you may not read magazines like Hip Hop Connection and Touch I would at least have thought you would be aware of them.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Quite an indie crossover at Kerrang these days isn't there?

fandango (fandango), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Geir while you may not read magazines like Hip Hop Connection and Touch I would at least have thought you would be aware of them.

Of course he is. How else would he know where to send the nailbombs to?

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

That Kerrang is horrid, something I will never look at again.

It is not something to take seriously unless you are 18 and smoke pot everyday.

BeeOK (boo radley), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

That Kerrang is horrid, something I will never look at again.

It is not something to take seriously unless you are 18 and smoke pot everyday.

That list or the actual Kerrang magazine?

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I wish I was 18 and smoking dope every day.

Madam, I Am Not a Doctor (noodle vague), Thursday, 26 January 2006 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link


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