Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

This is funny for more reasons than I can count.

Do the jazz singers you work with know that you don't consider them to be musicians?

(NOTE: I have often felt bad for the violin player, partly because I felt like he was wasting his talent by playing with DMB but mostly because he looks like the Predator.)

Ah, that explains it then.

Listen, your tiresome insistence that "real musicians know what" you're talking about it is a moot point. Musicians don't make music solely for other musicians. Boring music is boring music, whether your Philip Glass or Kato Kaelin. Technical proficiency on your instrument of choice is no guarantee of substantive *STYLE* (waaaay more important than skill). Sure, maybe you can play scales on your oboe using only your pinky,.....but that doesn't mean anyone really wants to listen to it. Technical proficiency merely makes you a musical 'craftsman,' STYLE makes you an artist....and even then, not necessarily a great one. DMB has style -- I'll admit it -- but they're still dead boring.

Well, no charge, but it seems to me that using terms like "most talented," "best commercialized", "genious [sic]", "incredible", "perfect", "awesome", "eclectic" and, of course "best band on earth right now" sort've overstates it. Calling the Dave Matthews Band "crafstmen" is by no means a compliment.

I am no Superman for you, but I do know one thing, where you are is where I wanna be.

How many times does he repeat that in the fuckin' song? It's practically the whole song. I guess he thought that was really brilliant, huh?

Re: www.ilxor.com hate DMB
I just happen to find the DMB's music *DREADFULLY, PAINFULLY, UNBEARABLY DULLLLLL*. Couple that with a nation of tobacco-chewin', hackey-sack punting frat boys zealously espousing the band's dubious skills and you have a whole new reason to hate the DMB. Does this mean that I think that *EVERY*one who likes the DMB is a ...slack-jawed, monobrowed troglodyte? Not necessarily, but to those who are on the fence about them, I'd say this --- RAISE YOUR STANDARDS! There's more ****ing interesting music out there....seek it out before you settle for less.

-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), February 11th, 2003

The least this guy could do is get the Simpsons quote RIGHT if he's going to steal it...gotta love a guy who can't even plagiarize properly...

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Last edited by diana_m41 on February-12th-2003 at 07:52 PM

DMB + "U" = DUMB.

By themselves, in a vacuum, they are incomplete. But with an audience to listen, they've unleashed a whole lot of dumb.

Why are you looking to the T.V. to find decent music?

Say what? I wasn't trying to quote "the Simpsons" at all!

god bless google.
Are we gonna get an invasion of Dave Matthews Freaks & zealots now?

DMB may be loads and loads of fun to play; i don't know either way personally, as i've never had any desire to try. but just because something is fun (and maybe even challenging) to play doesn't necessarily mean it's fun to listen to.

Yngwie flippin' Malmsteen to thread NOW. >P

(and i hate Dave's voice. but that's beside the point.)

I strongly suggest checking out the following:

Christine Goerke (particularly on the National Symphony recording of Britten's "War Requiem")
Chanticleer
Tool
Depeche Mode
Van Halen
Rush
Medeski, Martin and Wood
The Grassy Knoll
Mr. Bungle
Norah Jones
Jill Scott
Angie Stone
Ian Bostridge
Stevie Wonder
Daniel Bedingfield

Actually, there are plenty of examples in Andy's playing where he pulls off a little licks here and there...the guy knew what he was doing for sure. Just because he played a loud, abrasive, solid state amp, doesn't make him a bad player with good "style." He had both.

I can't beleive the amount of morons on that board. I did a search on it and i found that many of them like 'Indie/Alternative' bands that can barely play their instruments, AND WORST OF ALL, They like commercialised Top 40 Music like Britney & Justin Timberlake!!! HAHAHA
Come on people, lets take on these morons!!!!

Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

How Can ANYONE Rip Dave Matthews then admit to liking manufactured chart pop? We win this argument so easy it hurts.
I cant believe how many nerds are on that board. I saw Guided By Voices once and they were so drunk they could barely play their 2 chord songs. Thats the so called 'Alternative' music Nerds worship.
And as for Britney and Justin....... sheesh.

Hasn't DMB been just as successful as the "manufactured chart pop" only with a different demographic? What, does having a violinist in your group exempt you from getting called a pop band?

Oh Totally, I get your point, and I wasn't trying to argue with you, it's just that I kinda thought the same thing once, but have realized just how good the man was with his instrument.

I am of the school of thought that style AND craftsmanship or skills make a good player. Seriously, very few people are moved by someone like Yngwie Malmsteen or as well by somebody like Jandek. To me it's the combination of physical skills and mental substance that makes someone "good" at an instrument, a totally subjective thing regardless.

D. Boon and Greg Ginn are both pretty skilled guitar players - I'd say the best counter-example would be Billy Childish.

" I dare say that without Killing Joke, most of your precious "heavy sounding" bands wouldn't even exist. Killing Joke have indulged in a myriad of different musical styles and sounds well beyond the monochromatic 'heavy', yet when they choose to go that route, there is no one mightier. To judge Killing Joke by one or two tracks is an excercise in blind-sighted stupidity. Do your homework before submitting an opinion! Moreover, if you're put off by the conceptual/lyrical content of Killing Joke, why not toddle home and slap on a Pixies or Cheap Trick album and celebrate the meaningless and banal. At least Killing Joke have something to say. You may not like it, agree with it...or even understand it....but at least there something of substance there. Killing Joke credit their audience with higher standards and a modicum of intelligence. Try getting that from Korn."

I'd like to think I've mellowed a bit since then.

Your argument about people who've like DMB being the most open-minded about music is completely false in my experience, as the people I know who knew them when they were a jam band playing colleges in upstate New York tend to stick exclusively with the Shawn Colvin/Meredith Brooks/DMB/Hootie and the Blowfish/Sting axis of music and consider U2 to be the outer limits of acceptability. Your argument about them not being exclusively for white middle-class is accurate; they're aimed at black middle-class, too (although few would admit to listening to them, particularly when faced by the nu-soul/back-to-hip-hop mafia).

Alex does have a valid point; one reason why people may be coming down harder on naga than he/she actually deserves is because his initial post reads as Yet Another Fanboy Attack and people tend to want to jump up and down on posts like that until they squeal. (Well, I do anyway.)