Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Whats everyones reasons for hating them? Particularly interested in the views of Americans.

John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

The guy sings like a muppet.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring. People who like terrible bands like Counting Crows and Phish like him. The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh. Theres Sooo many. But i'll leave that to others in the thread.

Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh.

Hey now, there's no need for slander.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

dang, you beat me to the punchline, h.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

that F*CKING charelston-type dance he does. AAAAAAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

and that f*cking "hike up your skirt a little more, and show your world to me" is so misogynistic, hateful, smug aaahaaajhahdsdsa;dfdsal!!!!

he needs to die, and I say this kind of thing rarely.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Which Muppet btw? If Animal was in them they would be so much better.

Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, I forgot about his fetishization of black musicians. really, can we get a UN resolution to kill him!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

[warning: deliberate flamebait imminent]:

but without black people, he wouldn't be funky!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Any real or musical reasons to hate him? He does all sorts of music. Acoustic stuff, does good improvisational stuff, is great live, has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana. All the mebers are great musicians. And the actual songs are good.
He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good. The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

John Mcateer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Which Muppet? Why Eddie Vedder, of course!

I don't know about this whole fetishization of black musicians thing, though.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Which Muppet btw?
You better not say Roosavelt Franklin! (That's Lenny Kravitz)

Just thinking of why I hate DMB is almost as tedious as his music. So I have no answer because I can't be bothered to think of one.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Any real or musical reasons to hate him?

Again, I hate his voice, he sounds like a muppet.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:47 (seventeen years ago) link

When I used to live in C'ville he stole my table at a sushi restaurant. I was really hungry too.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Least we witness all the unviersity students forming bands to sound JUST like him. And they all suck too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

"Your choice, Ms. Spears -- the Neptunes or Dave Matthews?"

"Hmmm..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

"Any real or musical reasons to hate him?"

Sure, plenty. The production is empty and lifeless with no surprises or innovative ideas, his vocal style is grating and cloying, I hate that "funky acoustic guitar strumming" thing he does, and on and on.

"He does all sorts of music."

This is not a virtue in and of itself.

"Acoustic stuff"

So?

"does good improvisational stuff"

No. Only if you consider hippie-jam-band technique to be "improvisational". (I do not).

"is great live"

Never seen him.

" has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana."

I don't respect a single one of those people - the endorsements are empty.

"All the mebers are great musicians."

Technically proficient /= great.

"And the actual songs are good."

Nope.

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

That's what people said about Hitler.

"The likes of Britney would love to work with him. "

And this is of importance why?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women. I say eeewwwwwww? I mean oral sex is a-ok in my book but between his comments of bowel movements and just the thought of his big assclown head shoved between some poor woman's legs...shudder.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

group named after its leader is usually bad. Dave Matthews is such a nothing name to begin with. We like to call them/him the "Dave Matthews," just as it's fun to refer to the "Medeski, Martin and Woods" or the "Sonic Youths." Or for that matter the "Ya La Tengos, they are my favorite band!"

Edd Hurt (delta ed), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

sum-41 video to thread!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

I KNEW the fraternity system is a cult!

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

So, I'm the only person on here that really likes the Dave Matthews Band, then?

Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link

No no no.. We all love him.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Or mute.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

it's for his own good

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (seventeen years ago) link

and ours too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

he sucks, huh?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (seventeen years ago) link

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

like a vacuum.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (seventeen years ago) link

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

but Horace Mann's already here!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

This week, Dave Matthews addressed Boyd’s departure from the band for the first time in an interview with Vulture. “I have a deep love for Boyd, and he has to deal with his stuff. In many ways, I’m sure it would’ve been a lot easier for him to just say, ‘I’m good. Let’s go play.’ But you can’t just throw yourself away, your wellness away, because you play violin in a band. It doesn’t make any sense to do that.

“I can’t say, ‘I can’t wait till he comes back,’ because I don’t know what’s going to happen,” Matthews added. “But right now being away is better for him. Nobody is happy about this situation. Except that we’re happy he can figure some stuff out. I hope he does. But I’m going to miss having that whirling-dervish Adonis-Muppet over there on my right. I know the audience is, too. But we can’t serve that desire.”

o_O

cr.ht (crüt), Thursday, 17 May 2018 23:30 (two years ago) link

Guess that brings this thread full circle...

i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 17 May 2018 23:35 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

on a library computer which wipes all cache and cookies and info and such and when you type in 'ilxor' the first suggested result is 'ilxor dave matthews name your reasons' lmao

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 21:39 (one year ago) link

iconic thread

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 22:15 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/acting-attorney-general-matt-whitakers-old-tweets.html

True or False: Dave Matthews is the Jimmy Buffett of our time?

saddest kamancheh (bendy), Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:19 (one year ago) link

the two bands matt whitaker knows about

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:34 (one year ago) link

don't drink the margarita
there's blood in the margarita

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:37 (one year ago) link

these acts have very little in common. dumb can manifest in very different ways.

rip van wanko, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:41 (one year ago) link

Jon BonJovi knows how to be a rockstar.

President Keyes, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:46 (one year ago) link

Not just for Dave Matthews Band fans, Ryley Walker's The Lillywhite Sessions is a reminder that taste is subjective, timing is everything, and you don't always choose the ones you love.

https://exclaim.ca/music/article/ryley_walker-the_lillywhite_sessions

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 15 November 2018 16:38 (one year ago) link

yeah it's pretty good! but also the lillywhite sessions is prob the best dmb album (so, of course, it was shelved so that dave could record a terrible record in a week with glen ballard)

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 16:40 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKk-EFUwsaA

this didn't even make busted stuff, which was full of re-recordings of the lillywhite sessions material, and it's better than most dmb songs imo

also the original version of "bartender" is the *best* dmb song possible i think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvRlyOokh6k

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

don't get me wrong this band still sucks

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 17:01 (one year ago) link

interesting. i'm not a fan of lillywhite sessions/busted stuff. you can tell that some of the songs were written with the same guitar patterns he'd used for sketching out songs since forever. for example, grey street is very similar to tripping billies where david matthews has written a repeating melody for everyone to mimic by moving two fingers up and down the guitar neck. the band maybe felt the initial guitar ideas they had to work from in the lillywhite session were stale. they may have also toured that material too heavily and burned out on it before recording? so they switched to the baritone guitar for Everyday and shook things up. This was the band-sanctioned narrative at the time, but I agree with it now. Everyday is way better than the other stuff they were up to.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:07 (one year ago) link

... everyday is a really terrible record idgi

the band narrative was that this material was too depressing and they weren't having fun recording it. they should have less fun

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:14 (one year ago) link

i tried everyday again but it is actually impossible to get through "i did it"

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:29 (one year ago) link

Everyday sounds a bit like the other side of the band's collaboration on Santana-Supernatural. So it's kind of bad and annoying and awesome in the same way that Santana-Supernatural is those things.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:35 (one year ago) link

yeah, skip i did it. it is annoying.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:36 (one year ago) link

I usually start with Dreams of Our Fathers

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:36 (one year ago) link

don't know why i'm italicizing song titles. just a quirky dave-ism, i guess.

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:37 (one year ago) link

I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women.

― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:59 AM (fifteen years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omar little, Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:38 (one year ago) link

i think about this, and the fact that this band dumped half a ton of their own feces from a bridge and onto innocent boat tourists.

omar little, Thursday, 15 November 2018 18:39 (one year ago) link

how have i never heard of this story??

Spottie, Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:25 (one year ago) link

yeah me neither wow

dude being obsessed with and gross about oral sex is unsurprising if you've heard any percentage of his music

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:31 (one year ago) link

However I can't really imagine that comment being in an actual interview??

Evan, Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:36 (one year ago) link

i can. he wrote an entire song about the same subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDYP2TxDGlc

listen at your own peril

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:37 (one year ago) link

i think about this, and the fact that this band dumped half a ton of their own feces from a bridge and onto innocent boat tourists.


dave matthews band: not totally full of shit

the Stanley Kubrick of testicular torsion (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:39 (one year ago) link

oh no

Blood through my veins for you
You alone have all of me

Spottie, Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:41 (one year ago) link

there are no innocent 'boat tourists' imo

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:42 (one year ago) link

first of all, they're covered in feces

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:48 (one year ago) link

Just Googled the lyrics to that "Rapunzel" song -- OMG

I had to stop halfway thru

verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:56 (one year ago) link

(Where's the PMRC when u need them?)

verlaine & rambo (morrisp), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:56 (one year ago) link

always thought he was singing about bugles

for i, sock in enumerate (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 15 November 2018 19:57 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2003/11/10/rock-the-vote-this-week-i/

By Peter P.M. Buttigieg,
November 10, 2003
This week, I picked up a new album by Dave Matthews, prophet of the carefree joy of my high school years. But unlike the cheerful strains of late-nineties-Dave, the solo project Some Devil is a sober, even grim reflection of how much the world has changed in a few short years. The man who brought us the playful riffs of “Too Much” and “Everyday” is now promoting the album’s first single, “Gravedigger.” Matthews is not the only one undergoing a tonal shift; if you’ve paid attention to Radiohead this year, you know that they have grown not only darker, but more explicitly political. In titling their new project, for example, they replaced the cryptic inclinations that brought us previous efforts like or Kid A, and called this one Hail to the Thief.

Music is always regarded as an index of the times, so a glance at what’s changed in our short student lifetimes could tell us a thing or two. And indeed, there are some lessons in even a casual overview of what has happened to campus music trends just in the last few years.

...

j., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:48 (one year ago) link

Then all hell broke loose. Just as we were adjusting to the fact that our country could function even if the president didn’t completely know what he was doing, a team of Saudis with box cutters torpedoed our innocence. Right then, like our cell phones, our culture stopped working for a minute. What sense could the old Dave Matthews make when Dave Letterman was weeping on air?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:56 (one year ago) link

an incoherence of daves

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:39 (one year ago) link

he would probably make a better prez than music writer

rip van wanko, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:00 (one year ago) link

I would bet my house he owned at least one Dispatch album in college. Or downloaded one from Napster, is probably more like it.

Sam Weller, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:11 (one year ago) link

the P.M. stands for "Patchouli Man"

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:47 (one year ago) link

if mayor pete wasn’t cancelled before, he sure is now

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:52 (one year ago) link

go on pete, you are forgiven

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:55 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/mayor-pete-buttigieg-phish-inauguration-1203193074/

Asked about his college days, he cited “a lot of Dave Matthews in my life back then, a fair amount of Phish kind of thing. But also again the classics. I thought I was gonna be Jimi Hendrix on the guitar.” The hosts then produced a Les Paul, on which he strummed a snippet of “Hey Joe.”

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Friday, 19 April 2019 02:24 (one year ago) link

Ah yes, the les paul. Cassic jimi hendrix guitar.

Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 19 April 2019 02:34 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

RUNDMB

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 August 2019 23:36 (eleven months ago) link

ten months pass...

Y'know...it's one thing to stand at a remove of a couple decades and snicker at a vague recollection of DM and his B, but I've had a few of his songs pop up over the past week (in a general '90s playlist) and...yeah, this shit was real real bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FqsQE5oRNE

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:22 (two weeks ago) link

The only DMB reappraisal I will fuck with is that his shit was so heinous that if we had one terminator to send back and the question is do we send it back for DMB or Trump I'm going to need five minutes to think about it.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Thursday, 25 June 2020 19:04 (two weeks ago) link


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