Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

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Whats everyones reasons for hating them? Particularly interested in the views of Americans.

John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The guy sings like a muppet.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:34 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hes a 90s sting. he's Smug. Yuppie music. Hes boring. People who like terrible bands like Counting Crows and Phish like him. The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh. Theres Sooo many. But i'll leave that to others in the thread.

Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:36 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The amount of people who wear suits and work in banks/accountancy firms and like DMB is like 99% urgh.

Hey now, there's no need for slander.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:38 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

dang, you beat me to the punchline, h.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

that F*CKING charelston-type dance he does. AAAAAAHHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!

and that f*cking "hike up your skirt a little more, and show your world to me" is so misogynistic, hateful, smug aaahaaajhahdsdsa;dfdsal!!!!

he needs to die, and I say this kind of thing rarely.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet btw? If Animal was in them they would be so much better.

Jimmy Corkhill, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, I forgot about his fetishization of black musicians. really, can we get a UN resolution to kill him!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:40 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

[warning: deliberate flamebait imminent]:

but without black people, he wouldn't be funky!

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:42 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Any real or musical reasons to hate him? He does all sorts of music. Acoustic stuff, does good improvisational stuff, is great live, has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana. All the mebers are great musicians. And the actual songs are good.
He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good. The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

John Mcateer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet? Why Eddie Vedder, of course!

I don't know about this whole fetishization of black musicians thing, though.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Which Muppet btw?
You better not say Roosavelt Franklin! (That's Lenny Kravitz)

Just thinking of why I hate DMB is almost as tedious as his music. So I have no answer because I can't be bothered to think of one.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:46 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Any real or musical reasons to hate him?

Again, I hate his voice, he sounds like a muppet.

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

When I used to live in C'ville he stole my table at a sushi restaurant. I was really hungry too.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:48 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

He spawned that John Mayer and that HORRIBLE "Your Body Is a Wonderland" which really is a crime against humanity.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Just the whole combination of being so very very uninteresting and yet being so widely worshipped, is the main reason.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Least we witness all the unviersity students forming bands to sound JUST like him. And they all suck too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:51 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The likes of Britney would love to work with him.

"Your choice, Ms. Spears -- the Neptunes or Dave Matthews?"

"Hmmm..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"Any real or musical reasons to hate him?"

Sure, plenty. The production is empty and lifeless with no surprises or innovative ideas, his vocal style is grating and cloying, I hate that "funky acoustic guitar strumming" thing he does, and on and on.

"He does all sorts of music."

This is not a virtue in and of itself.

"Acoustic stuff"

So?

"does good improvisational stuff"

No. Only if you consider hippie-jam-band technique to be "improvisational". (I do not).

"is great live"

Never seen him.

" has respect of fellow musicians like sting,peter gabriel, allanis,sheryl crow,Meredith Brooks,Counting Crows,Santana."

I don't respect a single one of those people - the endorsements are empty.

"All the mebers are great musicians."

Technically proficient /= great.

"And the actual songs are good."

Nope.

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

That's what people said about Hitler.

"The likes of Britney would love to work with him. "

And this is of importance why?

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:53 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I remember reading an interview with him once where he was talking about how much he loved oral sex and how he could survive by just drinking/eating? the fluids of women. I say eeewwwwwww? I mean oral sex is a-ok in my book but between his comments of bowel movements and just the thought of his big assclown head shoved between some poor woman's legs...shudder.

Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

group named after its leader is usually bad. Dave Matthews is such a nothing name to begin with. We like to call them/him the "Dave Matthews," just as it's fun to refer to the "Medeski, Martin and Woods" or the "Sonic Youths." Or for that matter the "Ya La Tengos, they are my favorite band!"

Edd Hurt (delta ed), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

sum-41 video to thread!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

"He wouldnt have such a rabid cult fanbase if he wasnt any good."

I KNEW the fraternity system is a cult!

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

So, I'm the only person on here that really likes the Dave Matthews Band, then?

Evan (Evan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

No no no.. We all love him.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:11 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

right. this is all constructive criticism here, we just want him to be EVEN BETTER. or better yet, something else.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

because hippies like him and i hate hippies.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:17 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

>or better yet, something else

like dead.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Or mute.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

it's for his own good

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:29 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

and ours too.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

he sucks, huh?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:37 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I never understood all the 'Sounds like Hootie & The Blowfish and Sting" stuff. he sounds like neither. And its not like DMB has stolen any songs off him. DMB songs dont sound like anyone elses. Especially Hootie & The Blowfish.
Crash Into me and Space Between are 2 of the best songs written in recent years. Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write(in my own personal opinion of course) I dont want to start fights. I just dont understand why he is so hated. But maybe thats because hes unknown over here in the UK. Most Americans seem to have an opinion on him.

John McAteer, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

like a vacuum.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:39 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Something Sting, Hootie or any of ILMers fave pop or indie bands could write

John Darnielle and Momus -- please write songs like Dave Matthews.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:47 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

McAteet: even the Dave Matthews fans I know think the Space Between is awful; why do you think he eventualy released the lillywhite sessions - becuz all his fans were bitching about how awful everyday (and in particular the space between) was. Dave Matthews came from the same circuit as Hootie and has the same fans, the only difference is that Darius Rucker has a better voice than Dave Matthews and they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller. I doubt there's a single article on the Dave Matthews from 95 that doesn't paint them as the 'new' Hootie.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...they made the mistake of having their first album be an impossible to followup megaseller.

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Ping Pong's first track was about as deep as it needs to be, now just extend it seven minutes with bongos and play it at the appropriate speed for bong hits.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:50 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

...but without black people, he (Dave Matthews) wouldn't be funky!
Dave Matthews...funky.
I'm sorry, but this does not compute. Those two ideas are mutually exclusive.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:52 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

To play devil's advocate (heh) for a second - how could they have "controlled" sales of their first alb?

... Get Dave Matthews to sing on it.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hstencil - by not writing such incredible songs of course! take a cue from Axl (he pulled "Don't Cry" from Appetite to save it for the followup) and spread the love!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:54 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

seriously, the label should've put the kibosh on videos and singles much earlier; same thing happened to alanis.

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

not sure that's the band's fault, esp. one as yokel-filled as Hootie. "Yes, Mr. A&R Man, anything you say!"

hstencil, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 20:59 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Just don't put the Kibosh on me!

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The-guy-who-was-fired-from-Rolling-Stone-for-dissing-Hootie to thread

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:01 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

but Horace Mann's already here!

James Blount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:06 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

you think DeRogatis has the spare time to be...4th on the Users list?
Geez, am I lame.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:08 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Hey...where is this users list? You got me curious.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I'm sure Dave Matthews and his band are perfectly nice guys, but y'know what? Their music is fucking * B O R I N G *.....which is, as far as I'm concerned, a worse crime that sounding like a muppet (which I don't hear at all). Dave Gedge of the Wedding Present sounds like Muppet, and I loved them. Dave Matthews Band (and...really, couldn't he have come up with a decent name for the band at least?) are just dull, dull and thrice verily dull.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I *REALLY* hate their fucking fans as well.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 21:15 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

hymen restored: 1000 points

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:27 (three years ago) Permalink

I suspect it could have totally worked on drunk northface girls somewhere.

Evan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:15 (three years ago) Permalink

if you are wearing a skirt with a northface jacket, i'm not interested in seeing your world.

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Wasn't implying any of us would try

Evan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:34 (three years ago) Permalink

for the record

Evan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:34 (three years ago) Permalink

feel like i have to now

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:35 (three years ago) Permalink

is this bump about a new album? y/n

, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:38 (three years ago) Permalink

relevant:

"I'm doing fine," says Dave Matthews, checking in from his Seattle home before kicking off his first South African tour November 30th. "I was stuck in traffic this morning." After a huge summer tour, the singer has been staying busy hanging out with family and working in the studio on his band's follow-up to last year's Away From the World. Matthews reveals he's teamed with producer Rob Cavallo and engineer Doug McKean, who both worked on 2009's Big Whiskey & the GrooGrux King (the band worked with Steve Lillywhite on Away From the World). "I've been in the studio trying to get a couple of things ready for the band to go back in, having fun," Matthews says. "I'm just trying to come up with something that doesn't sound like the past."

He won't give too much away, but fans may already be familiar with some of the upcoming material. "There are some songs the band has been playing for a long time," he teases.* "And then whenever I start messing around in the studio, I start writing, so hopefully we can come up with something worth listening to."

*actual chills

christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:41 (three years ago) Permalink

DMB's sixth straight record to debut at Number One reunited the group with its Nineties producer Steve Lillywhite; the album's political entreaties made for some of 2012's best GOTV rock. But there's also a stormy introspection to these tricky, rolling jams. "Rooftop" is a drunken, vengeful breakup fantasy; on "The Riff," quiet romantic desperation gets run through Boyd Tinsley's jabbing violin lines; and when Matthews sings, "That's not a star, that's a satellite," on "Drunken Soldier," it's clear he's standing under an angry sky.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/50-best-albums-of-2012-20121205/dave-matthews-band-away-from-the-world-19691231#ixzz2xhWGZCTg
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christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:42 (three years ago) Permalink

i'm starting to get a picture of dave matthews as this guy who checked out a book about satellites from the library in the 90s and smoked his first joint. now he walks around spreading the most basic or even incorrect information about them.

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 04:47 (three years ago) Permalink

al leong I'm signing you up for northface catalogs

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 06:21 (three years ago) Permalink

North face jackets are great for when you get dmb teaser induced chills

Evan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 11:42 (three years ago) Permalink

dave da-DAVE daaaaave

― marcos, Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:08 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

guess?

― marcos, Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is the chorus of What Would You Say

― Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes!

marcos, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:17 (three years ago) Permalink

i thought about that long and hard last night, and didn't get it. isn't the chorus of what would you say

Daaaaaaave, dave-dave, DAAaave?
(Dave, dave, da-dave dave!)
Dave-dave-dave-dave-dave-dave?
(Dave, dave, da-dave dave!)
Dave-dave-da-da-da-dave-da-dave?
(Dave, dave dave, dave dave!)

Daaaaaaave, dave-dave, DAAaave?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:28 (three years ago) Permalink

yea that's a little better than mine

marcos, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:30 (three years ago) Permalink

dave

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:40 (three years ago) Permalink

dave

marcos, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:46 (three years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Reading through part of this thread and it strikes me how similar it is to the commentaries under any given article about Justin Bieber in Norwegian online papers these days. Except these comments are by people now in their 30s or 40s (mostly) while the ones raging about how great Justin Bieber is were in kindergarten in 2003. :)

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Saturday, 28 June 2014 23:25 (three years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

:-/

Karl Malone, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:08 (two years ago) Permalink

actually it is $35 so I will not ;_;

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:16 (two years ago) Permalink

(but privately, yes I will)

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:38 (two years ago) Permalink

*low grumbly voice* Howsa everra-buddah doin oudda there toNiIIIIIGHHHHH???

Karl Malone, Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:51 (two years ago) Permalink

lol

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:52 (two years ago) Permalink

one of my favorite DMB stories is the Pawtucket show in April 2002. he introduced the guest sax musician Ralph Dharel, and Dharel said "you really should have been a Ralph, Dave", and ever since then all of us on Dancing Nancies call Dave Ralph as an inside joke lol

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, April 1, 2014 2:53 PM (6 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:56 (two years ago) Permalink

ccuuuuuuullassic dave story! had to pull it up and out of the ole warehouse!

$0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:56 (two years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

dave

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 20:37 (two years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8zZ4o-41mM

"I'm not a bad and hated man, I'm just...not a lucky man"

the geographibebebe (unregistered), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 20:40 (two years ago) Permalink

Some Mexican dude zipped by the other day on his Harley, and he was blasting some music that sounded exactly like DMB, only in Spanish.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 20:48 (two years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

First rock and roll band ever to sing the lyric "Mom it's my birthday"

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Tuesday, 15 December 2015 16:57 (one year ago) Permalink

it is more of a shouting tbf

Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:04 (one year ago) Permalink

or a saying, if the narrator is reliable

Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:04 (one year ago) Permalink

a complex piece

Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 17:05 (one year ago) Permalink

i find it really strange that frat dudes listen to this guy and Jack Johnson. It just doesn't compute to me at all.

Poliopolice, Tuesday, 15 December 2015 20:18 (one year ago) Permalink

five months pass...

i find it really strange that frat dudes listen to this guy and Jack Johnson. It just doesn't compute to me at all.

― Poliopolice, Tuesday, December 15, 2015 3:18 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Having gotten to know a lot of (former) frat dudes over the years, esp in law school, it computes to me perfectly well. To the extent there was a "profile" at all, it was not the aggro, alpha-male type you see in 80s movies, it was more of a mellow, straight-laced, don't-rock-the-boat kind of guy. Nice, risk-averse, usually not severely neurotic or suffering from low self esteem, but confident only up to a certain point.

www.ramenclassaction.com (man alive), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:29 (one year ago) Permalink

agreed with that description, up until the booze flows

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:36 (one year ago) Permalink

otm description, def casually racist too

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:38 (one year ago) Permalink

Daaaaaaave

bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:39 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah maybe so. the guys I knew were mostly from northeastern colleges and maybe the frats there leaned a little more liberal than average

www.ramenclassaction.com (man alive), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:39 (one year ago) Permalink

plus it's unchallenging mid-tempo stuff that undiscerning dudes can purport to be discerning about on the basis of, like, "musicianship."

dc, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:41 (one year ago) Permalink

yessssss

also earnest John Mayer heads

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:43 (one year ago) Permalink

I kind of like the break in the middle of WWYS, where the band drops out and it's just guitar, and then there's a sax solo. Freed from its context, I feel like it could mesh well into a good DJ set.

www.ramenclassaction.com (man alive), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:26 (one year ago) Permalink

dated a jam-band guy in the late 90s so i've seen dave in all his splendor. not my most pitiable concert-going experience, which might be papa roach. tbh there are a number of contenders.

dc, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:32 (one year ago) Permalink

I would see DMB 1000 times before sitting through another youth lagoon show

bonita pooleymoon (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 23:14 (one year ago) Permalink

it is more of a shouting tbf

― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:04 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or a saying, if the narrator is reliable

― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:04 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a complex piece

― Sufjan Grafton, Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:05 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Thursday, 19 May 2016 00:26 (one year ago) Permalink

six months pass...

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com

mookieproof, Friday, 2 December 2016 17:40 (ten months ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Never forget. Dave Matthews' bus dumped 800 pounds of poop into the Chicago River 13 years ago today https://t.co/f36UBMdAa9 pic.twitter.com/NijTwvTYLe

— DNAinfo Chicago (@DNAinfoCHI) August 8, 2017

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 8 August 2017 15:47 (two months ago) Permalink


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