Thread of Wonder, the next 5000 posts: science fiction, fantasy, speculative fiction 2021 and beyond

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Time to launch another lifeboat to the stars. Previously: ThReads Must Roll: the new, improved rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 12 April 2021 08:32 (three months ago) link

All aboard the Strato-Cruiser!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 April 2021 09:14 (three months ago) link

DO U SEE, I’m a stranger here myself.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 April 2021 10:43 (three months ago) link

Singing thread title to the tune of the Theme from Underdog

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 April 2021 12:30 (three months ago) link

Thread of Wonder
5000 posts

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 April 2021 12:31 (three months ago) link

Wonder Thread
Wonder Thread!

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 12 April 2021 12:32 (three months ago) link

Thread of royal beauty bright!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 12 April 2021 14:40 (three months ago) link

Cool, except PLEASE change "Sci-Fi" to "Science Fiction"; true headz will respect it more.

dow, Monday, 12 April 2021 15:47 (three months ago) link

Seriously, change that shit.

dow, Monday, 12 April 2021 15:47 (three months ago) link

If a mod wants to a mod can, now to read some skiffy some I can make a real contribution to the thread.

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 12 April 2021 15:49 (three months ago) link


Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 12 April 2021 15:49 (three months ago) link

In thee beginning (not really, butt a big ol goodun, where I came in)
rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread

dow, Monday, 12 April 2021 15:52 (three months ago) link

That rolled from 2011 to 2014, I believe.

dow, Monday, 12 April 2021 15:53 (three months ago) link

Kindle daily deal today. seems odd that it doesn't mention Gagarin by name.

also listed, a Tchaikovsky book, Doors of Eden. anyone? i liked the one about the spiders, i didn't like ironclads.

koogs, Monday, 12 April 2021 18:47 (three months ago) link

just finished The Ministry For the Future. almost comically unsubtle and didactic in its politcs. the last hundred pages or so were "scouring of the shire" bad. first half is excellent.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 12 April 2021 19:51 (three months ago) link

started that -- the first scene is harrowing, but i instantly lost all interest when things shifted to the ministry itself. i suppose no one dramatizes vast bureaucratic processes better than KSR but it's a low bar, and i'm not really up for doom right now

read 'hench', which has a jokey premise -- underemployed young woman seeks placement as a villain's henchman through a temp service -- but turned out to be fierce as well as funny

started jo walton's 'the just city'; it's a little precious but i'm liking it a lot so far

mookieproof, Monday, 12 April 2021 22:25 (three months ago) link

as everyone says about recent KSR, it's actually very optimistic. the first scene though good grief.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 12 April 2021 22:50 (three months ago) link

Yeah, if the future is remotely like that KSR projects I'd be a hell of a lot more hopeful than I am now.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 00:44 (three months ago) link

the last hundred pages or so were "scouring of the shire" bad.

I am struggling with this sentence.

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 07:36 (three months ago) link


dow, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:05 (three months ago) link

ha! do you mean you're struggling with it syntactically or morally?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:10 (three months ago) link

Uh, aesthetically? The scouring of the shire is a highlight!

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:12 (three months ago) link

I'm more bothered by the lack of a comma in 5,000 than I am abt sci-fi tbh

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 17:31 (three months ago) link

Commas are only for numbers of five figures and up as far as I'm concerned

a murmuration of pigeons at manor house (Matt #2), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 18:53 (three months ago) link

Almost posted that embed 10x ina old-school JW Noizeborad style.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 19:34 (three months ago) link

I'm sure I talked about some of this in the previous thread about hanging out with horror people mostly then SFF people and then when you go back to horrorland, most people in SFF land start seeming really uptight and conversations have so many restricted areas and I have to respect what people aren't willing to discuss but I find it occasionally frustrating. And then there's this area of horror which is like the children of Dennis Cooper and it's lovely how relaxed they are and talking about what drugs they're taking all the time.

I generally like SFF fans but I do feel like a lot of them (even a lot of the progressive ones) still want stories that are easy to swallow and are probably afraid to look at their dog's anus.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 21:25 (three months ago) link

Only thing is, the blurbs for some of these authors can be completely ridiculous and leave you hanging, not knowing what it's like or about. "Britney Spears singing love songs to you while Baudelaire gives you an enema" or some nonsense like that.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:18 (three months ago) link

Ha, exactly.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:25 (three months ago) link

Think I started a thread about that once.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:25 (three months ago) link

nothing more riveting than people talking about their drug regimens, very transgressive

mookieproof, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:32 (three months ago) link

I'm a complete teetolaler and I'm not even into drug talk but my point is it's nice to hear writers talking in a more carefree way. It's probably significant that the horror genre largely escaped the culture war and there's less people out to get each other.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 22:58 (three months ago) link

Like this crap is still going on in SFF land

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 23:02 (three months ago) link

i haven't the patience to delve into what you consider 'culture war' 'crap' that's 'easy to swallow'

tbh i've seen way too much of my cat's anus, but nor have i considered cramming something up there and calling it art

honestly you are fucking creepy as hell; maybe you should stick to to 'open-minded' horror boards where you can discuss what you want to do to your waifus with no judgment

mookieproof, Thursday, 15 April 2021 04:46 (three months ago) link

but nor have i considered cramming something up there and calling it art

Does anyone do this?

Old Lunch was asking maybe two years ago about problems with reactionary horror people but as far as the fiction/poetry side goes it's really minimal compared to SFF, it's been said they're more easy going and get on better together.
The drawback is maybe the low brow attitude, too much easy amusement with juxtaposing high and low culture and the shit eating grins (see lots of horror author photos) and it does annoy me when people feel they have to present dark or gross subject matter in a jokey way, I'm regularly guilty of it too and it's often my first instinct to joke about some of these things. I think people do this because if they keep a straight face about it, they're worried people will think they're crazy.
But I think sometimes humor and punky attitude doesn't let people process things as well, I'd rather the subject matters weren't considered so transgressive or frightening, it makes peoples lives more difficult. So it's nice when people are just more at ease with it all, but the transgression is undeniably part of the appeal of some of these writers.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:30 (three months ago) link

There's been a lot of good buzz about this one

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 17:33 (three months ago) link

Going to be weird hearing “George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, Or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony (Rageblog Edition)” read out at a ceremony.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:48 (three months ago) link

A little bit heartbreaking how many SFF authors despise each other and the awards nominations intensifying it all.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:43 (three months ago) link

How many people nominated for a Hugo alongside Isabel Fall this year celebrated the removal of her story or contributed to the harassment campaign against her?

I think I count 3 so far. I really hope she wins.

— Experiencing A Significant Poggers Shortfall (@mechanicalkurt) April 13, 2021

The entire SF/F community came out and said "if you don't write about being trans in the way we think you should, we will attempt to harm you."

This is especially angering because it was an open secret that literally all of Chuck Wendig's writer friends were sex pests.

— Qualia Redux (@QualiaRedux) April 15, 2021

and some nice animals. What's weirder than the giant bunny in the first picture, is the way that guy is holding the pilot's head

One great sub-genre of retro sci-fi art: Confusingly Placed Animals

— 70s Sci-Fi Art (@70sscifi) April 15, 2021

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 15 April 2021 23:24 (three months ago) link

Jess Nevins - Horror Needs No Passport

This starts with Nevins explaining his frustration that there has been very little survey or study of international horror fiction and that he did this book because nobody else had. It sticks to the 20th century (with occasional background and influential writers from further back), skips USA, UK and a few other english speaking countries but there is still a bunch of english fiction included from other countries. Nevins doesn't say which writers he has actually read himself, he quotes other scholars evaluations quite a lot but I did get the impression he was voicing his own opinions about most of the japanese writers (who are surprisingly well represented in english translation) and these were some of the most enjoyable parts.

It might have been inevitable that many of the writers end up sounding very similar and my eyes often glazed over the descriptions of their approaches (what subgenres, where the horror effects are coming from). But every once in a while there's really tantalizing or unusual sounding stories about Africa, Indonesian martial arts horror, a story about a shepherd, Tarzan starring in Israeli horror adventures, italian extreme horror and amazing sounding gothics from all around the world.

It notes a handful of comic artists, Suehiro Maruo is oddly absent but I was pleased to discover Daijiro Morohoshi who I might have seen a little of but most of what I found on search was new to me.

The political/cultural background for every country is detailed, if horror was frowned upon or even outlawed (often in soviet countries, Germany and Japan censored under post-war occupation, some people writing horror only in exile), whether what each writer was doing was considered high art or trash from the gutter. It seemed like quite a lot of the South American writers were politicians.
A few times Nevins writes about authors not pursuing just "mere fear" and it seemed as if it was his own opinion (?), I don't understand why someone so devoted to horror would feel that being scary for it's own sake wasn't enough, given how that approach can be as intense and memorable as anything else when it's done well.

It is mentioned that Ewers was a Nazi but not Strobl, somehow.

No cover credit for Utagawa Kuniyoshi.

I do wish there was some sort of guide about the availability in english of these books. Perhaps Nevins was concerned it would date the book too much and that people might not bother searching for newer books if they weren't already in an english list? I spent a while checking isfdb and amazon for many of the writers but I didn't have the patience to research every writer that sounded promising. A few were indeed published after this book.
Sad that I probably won't hear about most of these authors again. If a particular writer has sufficiently high status, there's a good chance Penguin or some other classics publisher has them in english, a good deal of this stuff goes unnoticed by most horror fans and I can't blame them too much for not catching them all.

This could and should be an important building block for the future of horror. It's pretty great and I bought Nevins' Horror Fiction In The 20th Century, which can be considered a companion to this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 April 2021 00:20 (three months ago) link

I can't remember who the writer was but one of the unique ideas I came across in the above book was from a writer in exile from a dictatorship who wrote a novel in which even gods are powerless against the goverment, which just seems like a horribly depressing idea. Quite a few south american stories were mentioned in which all the characters are completely fucked and have nothing but terrifyingly bad choices available.

I didn't know that books aimed at railway travelers was such a big thing in India. Which makes me wonder about "airport novels", do publishers and even writers really spend a lot of time thinking about what people want to read at an airport?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 17 April 2021 21:06 (three months ago) link

I like the idea of Brunner but haven’t really been able to read.

It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 April 2021 22:14 (three months ago) link

Brunner’s supporting cast, including the Jesuit time-travel expert, Father Ramon

Another one for my 'Catholics in spaaaaaace!' list.

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 08:11 (three months ago) link

Never read any Brunner meself, sounds intriguing but this (re: Stand on Zanzibar) puts me off: Some examples of slang include "codder" (man), "shiggy" (woman), "whereinole" (where in hell?), "prowlie" (an armoured police car), "offyourass" (possessing an attitude), "bivving" (bisexuality, from "ambivalent") and "mucker" (a person running amok).

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 08:16 (three months ago) link

Elizabeth Moon's Remnant population: emo sf in the Le Guin mould. Good aliens and bad humans, though the humans aren't all that bad, and the dice are stacked rather heavily in favour of the aliens - not that Le Guin didn't indulge in a bit of dice stacking herself. Enjoyable but somewhat cosy and convenient.

Scheming politicians are captivating, and it hurts (ledge), Monday, 19 April 2021 09:28 (three months ago) link

Also for fans of (at least) 5000 posts, this Rollin Speculative looks like the first, b. 2011, and is where I came in: (hey thomp, get back here):
rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread

dow, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:42 (three months ago) link

Didn't mean to drop the g, sorry.

dow, Tuesday, 20 April 2021 01:43 (three months ago) link

read THE KINGDOMS by natasha pulley. alternate history isn't at all my thing, but this had a little extra sauce. and while a couple plot points don't hold up to close scrutiny, i thought it was extremely well-done and -written

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:58 (one month ago) link

Not your thing? What about the other recent read? Oh wait, that was the multiverse, sorry.

AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:23 (one month ago) link

the multiverse one was set in a future where anything(s) could happen, but . . . yeah sorta

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:55 (one month ago) link

not books, but 3 suits currently taking about sf films on sky arts. am enjoying the clips.

koogs, Thursday, 17 June 2021 21:10 (one month ago) link

The Last Day by Andrew Hunter Murray - Book club read. No Such Thing As A Fish guy does dystopian sci-fi; currently 69 pages in, which is nice, but the novel so far isn't. Very generic stuff, earth has stopped rotating around the Sun, half of the world plunged into darkness, half on fire, the UK is in what the book calls the "Goldilocks zone". Author makes it obvious the nationalistic govt is Bad and of course Write What You Know and all that, but I still get a whiff of British exceptionalism from this. Also kinda weird to read about a fictional catastrophe set in the v near future that negates the current one? Aside from that, soldiers and scientists and evil government conspiracies that remind me too much of every other fucking video game. To be fair maybe book clubs aren't for me, having a book that I have to read does make me ornery.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 June 2021 10:46 (one month ago) link

That's basically why I quit my last (and only) book club.

I was in one book club for a long time- we only read one book! - which was a lot of fun since we read it aloud, page by page. We read another book the same way when we finished that one then tried a third and ended it. I joined another, regular book club at some point, but that I didn't like. It seemed like a lot of people didn't show up and them that did hadn't necessarily read the book.

Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 June 2021 13:27 (one month ago) link

I joined more to make new friends than for the book discussion itself. It's good for that but yeah my already endless reading list getting interrupted by books that some other person thought looked good is a nuisance.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 18 June 2021 15:27 (one month ago) link

Yeah, no worries. I just touched base with friends from my book group on Wednesday since that was a significant day in the book week we were reading.

Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 18 June 2021 15:47 (one month ago) link

Provenance by Ann Leckie. Every time I read recent mainstream SF now I think about caek's post decrying all of it as 'adequate YA fiction'. I like Ann Leckie and her strain of social/political SF, it mostly works, it's not as juvenile as some other things I've read. But it's hard to pin down exactly where it might lie along a line from kids books to serious SF for serious people. It's definitely not up there with Le Guin (whose maturity shines though even in her overtly YA stuff) or Lem or Butler - but is it any worse than Iain M Banks? Or even Clarke or Asimov? I'm not sure there's anything particularly grown-up about Rendezvous with Rama or the Foundation series (I know there's little love lost here for the latter anyway).

No idea if it's "better" than Iain M. Banks but I do think the latter cannot possibly be described as YA, think any young adult would feel overwhelmed and/or bored p soon reading him.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 June 2021 09:29 (one month ago) link

'The latter' Being banks? Asimov? I'm sure plenty of young adults do and have read both of those.

Banks. I dunno man I read Matter and that shit was hella complex.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 June 2021 10:27 (one month ago) link

That's the one that in my memory could most fairly be described as a 'romp'! I daresay that does it a huge disservice and it's as complex as you say, I should - will - reread it. Still I'd hazard that there's plenty for the young 'uns, bless 'em, to appreciate and enjoy.

Where would you say that LOTR fits on the spectrum?

> a 'romp'!

Phlebus is very much an action movie imo (the others are better)

(currently rereading them all at a rate of about 1 a year, will get around to Matter in about 2027)

koogs, Monday, 21 June 2021 11:36 (one month ago) link

Matter was a finalist for the 2009 Prometheus Award.

Oh look I just found a list of books to not read:

Where would you say that LOTR fits on the spectrum?

I think LOTR is complex in way that teen boys specifically are very happy to engage with - long lists and chronologies - while Matter struck me as complex more from a philosophical, political angle (also re sexual politics but ver kids are probably all in for that).

It's a can of worms, not least because Young Adult me was reading all sorts of stuff that's not YA, but I guess I kinda associate the term with a certain simplicity, stronger focus on storytelling, world building as decoration rather than philosophical treatise?

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 21 June 2021 12:57 (one month ago) link

It is a can of worms and one perhaps I'm not qualified to open since I try in general to avoid anything overtly YA, or anything recent anyway.

I can barely read these days so not sure if I should comment, but I am allergic to the kind of generic writing style implied by YA. I mean of course plenty of other genre fiction, including the Greatest Genre of All, Top Shelf Literary Fiction, has this problem but YA is a particular marker.

Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 June 2021 14:48 (one month ago) link

Would that be definition 1 or 2 here? :)

Heh, hadn’t known the second, don’t think.

Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 June 2021 15:12 (one month ago) link

top shelf is also where the oversized books go in certain shops

mookieproof, Monday, 21 June 2021 15:21 (one month ago) link

I stopped reading and writing fanfic mostly because it's now nothing more than a farm team for the YA industrial complex.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 21 June 2021 16:45 (one month ago) link


Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 June 2021 17:01 (one month ago) link


Rich Valley Girl, Poor Valley Girl (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 June 2021 17:01 (one month ago) link

Pretty sure that a lot of those Prometheus Award writers are not libertarians. Would be surprised if Older and Stross were libertarian. But honestly it doesn't bother me much, I really want to read Donald Kingsbury and Wil McCarthy someday

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 21 June 2021 18:38 (one month ago) link

Yeah the award is for anything they class as "libertarian science fiction" not the authors themselves.

Libertarian science fiction is a subgenre of science fiction that focuses on the politics and social order implied by right-libertarian philosophies with an emphasis on individualism and private ownership of the means of production—and in some cases, no state whatsoever.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 08:30 (one month ago) link

Le Guin is a nominee so I think they are, unsurprisingly, somewhat confused.

Libertarians love to co-opt anarchists.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 09:53 (one month ago) link

If you'd enjoy hearing somebody gush about Barbara Hambly for an hour

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 23 June 2021 20:48 (one month ago) link

Some intriguing reviews here:

Mills Of Silence by Charles Wilkinson, Egaeus Press / Through A Looking Glass Darkly by Jake Fior, AliceLooking Books

The Death Spancel & Others by Katharine Tynan, Swan River Press / Beatific Vermin by D.P. Watt, (Keynote Edition VII) Egaeus Press / Glamour Ghoul – The Passions And Pain Of The Real Vampira, Maila Nurmi, by Sandra Niemi, Feral House

Double Heart by Marcel Schwob, translated by Brian Stableford, Snuggly Books / Circles Of Dread by Jean Ray, translated by Scott Nicolay, Wakefield Press

The Ballet Of Dr. Caligari & Madder Mysteries by Reggie Oliver, Tartarus Press / Six Ghost Stories by Montague Summers (with an Introduction by Daniel Corrick), Snuggly Books

dow, Sunday, 27 June 2021 21:44 (four weeks ago) link

Be sure to scroll all the way down to the bottom of each page to get the brief mentions of more books.

dow, Sunday, 27 June 2021 21:47 (four weeks ago) link

Speaking of that "Through The Looking Glass Darkly," recently on Alice In Wonderland:
covers looking glass also (which as a child i preferred, perhaps bcz i am a massive NERD)

― mark s, Thursday, June 17, 2021 9:36 AM

And much discussion ensued, incl. of Alice on TV and film, and a link to another Mark piece on same in Sight And Sound (also pix)

dow, Monday, 28 June 2021 02:38 (three weeks ago) link

Horace Walpole - The Castle Of Otranto

I had mainly heard this referred to as a dull piece of homework for horror fans, literary historical context. But was really surprised to find it's quite fun, brisk, and the writing is often really beautiful (I seem to be a minority on this one). An audio version with the right actors could be great.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about how to take the drama, is it all really comedy? One of my least favorite aspects was the absurd outpourings about family duties, morals and honor but they're taken to such an extreme that it must be intentionally absurd how forgiving and unquestioningly loyal so many of the characters are to Manfred. And what one of the characters says when they are stabbed to death.

I am a little sad that Walpole is more interested in action than atmosphere and that the imagery of the giant knight wasn't exploited more but there's plenty of other gothic castle books going for atmosphere and Castlevania taken the giant knight.

This really isn't a chore, it has more energy than most horror stories today.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 19:43 (three weeks ago) link

Mills Of Silence by Charles Wilkinson, Egaeus Press

― dow, Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:44 PM

Got that one recently in the mail.

Also got Terry Dowling's 3 volume Complete Rynosseros in the mail today and it looks fantastic.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 18:57 (three weeks ago) link

I do wish this essay held certain people’s feet to the fire—I feel like some folks have gotten off super-easy re: this nightmare and that frustrates the hell out of me. But I am glad to hear Isabel’s own words.

— Carmen Maria Machado 👻 (@carmenmmachado) June 30, 2021

Meaning Jemisin and Yang and probably others who talk a good deal about bullying and gatekeeping yet act the very same way

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 22:51 (three weeks ago) link

That's an upsetting read. Curious about this distinction between paranoid and reparative readings; just from the description in the article they seem to me kind of two sides of the same coin of wanting fiction to be socially empowering on some level, just with a glass half empty/glass half full perspective change?

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 1 July 2021 12:32 (three weeks ago) link

yeah i did not know about that whole affair and it's damn dispiriting

i changed phones a couple of months ago and still haven't reinstalled twitter on my new one and probably never will tbh

covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 1 July 2021 13:36 (three weeks ago) link

The ludicrous thing about that whole shitshow was that the story was printed in Clarkesworld, which is one of (if not THE) most respected short fiction publishers in the SF world. The idea that Neil Clarke would have been taken in by some bad actor is nonsensical, and anyone who convinced themselves it was the case (and then felt the need to pontificate about it on Twitter) needs to take a long hard look at themselves. Not that I'd actually say this on Twitter itself, as the place is a haven for bullies and careerists and who needs to stick their head above that particular parapet?

the kim variant (Matt #2), Thursday, 1 July 2021 13:48 (three weeks ago) link

The other ludicrous thing about it is the very idea that a transphobic crypto-fascist would choose to express their transphobia through a complex, challenging SF short story. Right-wing memes are one-liners for a reason.

This is all terribly sad to read about. That poor woman.

Lily Dale, Thursday, 1 July 2021 15:54 (three weeks ago) link

I think it was "rumoured" to be a Sad/Rabid Puppy type. Then again none of those people can write for toffee, so it was probably one of those rumours that generates itself organically during histrionic tweetstorms.

the kim variant (Matt #2), Thursday, 1 July 2021 16:57 (three weeks ago) link

Some apologies are coming in but so far they've been bad

— Tweet Y'Self Fitter (@WokeSexPest) July 1, 2021

I think some of the writers involved were doing classes on inclusivity and bullying! Reminds me of hearing a highschool teacher talking about staff rooms being full of bullying.

But I'm glad more people are taking a stand about this and against the idea that writers are responsible for the worst reactions readers can have.

I think this is possibly of more consequence than any of the puppygate stuff because there's surely going to be a lot more discomfort and writers looking askance at each other at conventions.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 1 July 2021 20:06 (three weeks ago) link

The number of people shocked and appalled at what happened to Isabel Fall while implying that they reserve the right to do the same to any author whom they perceive as less vulnerable or marginalized is a sight to behold.

— Nick Disband the Police Mamatas 🤼‍♂️🏴 (@NMamatas) July 2, 2021

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 2 July 2021 20:39 (three weeks ago) link

Really great article, mostly focuses on a few examples. I wonder if Ng will write her own wuxia.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 8 July 2021 21:44 (two weeks ago) link

Fun interview

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 11 July 2021 18:36 (two weeks ago) link

Leonora Carrington - The Debutante And Other Stories

Was quite pleased and surprised to find that Carrington, Leonor Fini and Remedios Varo have written as well as painted. I found this okay, the things I liked best were what reminded me of her paintings, unusual looking characters, some images crowded with strange details. The stories are funny sometimes, there's a nice disregard for convention but much of it didn't stick for me or make any lasting impression. I wish they had the thicker atmosphere of her paintings.

I'll read Hearing Trumpet someday and Stone Door if I can find it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 12 July 2021 17:44 (one week ago) link

Forgot to mention one of the stories has something just like garmonbozia from Twin Peaks

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 18:20 (one week ago) link

Fun, this is really stuffed full

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 20:10 (five days ago) link

Started watching Counterpart, as mentioned on this thread and on I come in peace... three times a night -- FOR ALL MANKIND (Apple TV Plus) by VG and others. Seems to be just what the doctor ordered.

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 July 2021 00:34 (yesterday) link

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