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Because the old one got too long and Shakey couldn't load it. A sequel to rolling fantasy, science fiction, speculative fiction &c. thread

fgtbaoutit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 November 2014 00:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Hoping to report on Report On Probability A in the near future.

fgtbaoutit (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 November 2014 00:54 (four years ago) Permalink

Gregory Benford: Artifact --- archaeologists uncover lethal alien thingy in Mycenean burial ground. Not brilliantly written, but interesting enough to continue with. Entertainingly, for a book written in 1985, it contains early 21st-century Greece falling apart because of a worldwide economic depression/recession

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 November 2014 01:11 (four years ago) Permalink

lol @ thread title

Report on Probability A - was idly thinking of re-reading that recently, I remember being p underwhelmed by its central formal conceit. I expected it to be much loopier and disorienting. In general, Aldiss is v hit or miss for me (something I've read Moorcock attribute to his needing a good editor/manager, someone to set goals/targets for him). Cryptozoic is undreadable, for example, but I consider Barefoot in the Head from just a year or two later a masterpiece.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 November 2014 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

undreadable
Brian W. "Crazy Baldhead" Aldiss

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 November 2014 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

Read rep on prob a at least twice a long time ago, didn't know anything about last year at marienbad but enjoyed the formal conceit and the last few pages made me want to high five him.

thread title capitalisation and constant reminder of that dunderheaded heinlein story is gonna make me rmde to eternity.

ledge, Friday, 14 November 2014 10:03 (four years ago) Permalink

agonising as it may be for ledge, this restart is v handy for me, as I meant to start following the previous thread after the initial poll that prompted it, and then i didn't and then it got so long that my approach of 'I must read all of it before participating' turned into hiding from the thread and not ever talking about some of my favourite strands of writing :/

Fizzles, Friday, 14 November 2014 10:41 (four years ago) Permalink

Sorry for thread title, ledge, I did it to annoy Shakey, not you.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 November 2014 11:17 (four years ago) Permalink

You are not the only one who couldn't read prior thread, Fizzles. Was constantly using the search feature or wondering where something was only to learn it was further upthread.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 November 2014 11:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Still slogging through the last of Atwood's Maddadam trilogy. The third book is piss-weak, slow going and uninteresting, and her stylistic flaws seem to show through more and more. Because it's sci-fi there's an attempt to be, I dunno, edgy or hardboiled or something and it's about as convincing as one of your parents trying on an ill-fitting leather jacket. Bit of a shame really, becaus eI enjoyed the first two books (Oryx & Crake / Year of the Flood) immensely.

joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 11:34 (four years ago) Permalink

I think I forgotten to say on the previous thread that another one of the best features on fantasticfiction site is it shows you the blurbs writers have done for other people's books.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:35 (four years ago) Permalink

Cool I'll just keep pasting in stuff from prev thread everytime somebody mentions something already discussed thoroughly, as I kept etc on prev thread its own self. Speaking of blurbs, here's a good 'un from a recent library shop score, Wandering Stars, An Anthology of Jewish Fantasy and Science Fiction, edited by Jack Dann, Introduction by Isaac Asimov:
I loved Wandering Stars, and why not? Two of the thirteen stories are from Orbit, and I would have bought seven of the rest if I had got my hands on them first. If the book had nothing else going for it, it would still be a triumph to get William Tenn to write the great story he was talking about in the fifties.--Damon Knight
(Also a blurb from Leo Rosten, who wrote The Education of Hyman Kaplan, about an immigrant who tends to take over English classes with his own versions and visions of language and lit.)

dow, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:47 (four years ago) Permalink

Contents (some of these titles are corny, but the few stories I kinda remember from mags etc were good):

Introduction:
"Why Me?" by Isaac Asimov

William Tenn: "On Venus, Have We Got A Rabbi"

Avram Davidson: "The Golem"

Isaac Asimov: "Unto the Fourth Generation"

Carol Carr: "Look, You Think You've Got Troubles"

Avram Davidson: "Goslin Day"

Robert Silverberg: "The Dybbuk of Mazel Tov IV"

Horace L. Gold: "Trouble With Water"

Pamela Sargent: "Gather Blue Roses"

Bernard Malamud: "The Jewbird"

Geo. Alec Effinger: "Paradise Lost"

Robert Sheckley: "Street of Dreams, Feet of Clay"

Isaac Bashevis Singer: Jachid and Jechidah"

Harlan Ellison: "I'm Looking For Kadah"

dow, Friday, 14 November 2014 16:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I just looked at a full schedule of all the books on SF Gateway (presumably this is the ebook titles). It's 2599 books!
Cant remember where I found the document.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 November 2014 21:16 (four years ago) Permalink

UK or US or other?

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 November 2014 21:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Probably UK

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 November 2014 22:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Considerably fewer in US

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 14 November 2014 22:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Mark Sinker makes some connections (for inst., between Gothic and Futurist lit) new to me, after viewing the National Gallery's William Morris exhibition: http://dubdobdee.co.uk/2014/11/02/the-wood-beyond-the-world-or-this-bus-has-a-new-destination/

dow, Sunday, 16 November 2014 14:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Thanks. Surely the friend mentioned there is an ILB poster.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 November 2014 14:59 (four years ago) Permalink

RMDE at that this thread title too, as well as the terrible screenname I had at the time. Don't know why I did it. I guess the door dilated and I just had to go through it.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 November 2014 14:59 (four years ago) Permalink

before I forget: this Brazilian writer recently died and Clute tweeted link to very appealing SFE overview of his work:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/carneiro_andre

dow, Sunday, 16 November 2014 15:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Ooh! I mean RIP but yknow

Οὖτις, Sunday, 16 November 2014 16:02 (four years ago) Permalink

Thanks. Often hard to find something like that in translation or even not in translation. Wonder if he had anything in that Cosmos Latinos anthology? Don't seem to recognize the name.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 November 2014 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

(xp, obv)

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 November 2014 16:03 (four years ago) Permalink

okay, "Brain Transplant."

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 16 November 2014 16:05 (four years ago) Permalink

I've only read Brain Transplant but would def read more provided stuff gets translated

Οὖτις, Sunday, 16 November 2014 16:06 (four years ago) Permalink

Hey James, tried to reply to yr kind email, but it won't let us reply directly, and the webmail form has the worst captcha evah, I refreshed it a half-dozen times, got rejected over and over and over and over and over and over. So I'll reply here: thanks, you keep up the good posts too!

dow, Monday, 17 November 2014 02:06 (four years ago) Permalink

has this been posted already?
http://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Laird Barron wrote a parody of the horror/weird scene, it included jabs at Mark Samuels in particular (however serious they were intended, nobody knows), there was some discussion of this at the Ligotti forum and eventually that resulted in Justin Isis writing hilarious rap battle lyrics.
Several spread across this page
http://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=6815&page=9

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:35 (four years ago) Permalink

The xpost link to Mark Sinker's William Morris exhibit etc is back online this afternoon. Read that before reading further, for max headroom:
When his fellow visitor/ILXor xyzzz (sic?) said it was down this morning, I told Mark, and we had this email exchange:

Mark:oh cheers, yes, the guy who hosts it (on a laptop in his spare room) sometimes has to reboot :)

me: OK, will keep in mind. I fairly recently got into Morris and those Kipling stories (if you meant "As Easy As A-B-C" and "With The Night Mail," for inst), but hadn't made the connection. Now I'm also thinking of Blade Runner's Earth, a mostly abandoned First World-as-Third World backstreet, where it rains all night in perpetual eco-ruins; also PKD's original setting, more like a slightly-future-to-us Beijing, with workers scuttling between buildings, hoping not to be singed/cancer-seeded by the invisible sun. Some later Tiptree stories too, and Mary Shelley's The Last Man, for me amazing as Frankenstein.
Probably some of Kim Stanley Robinson's later novels too, though they've gotten so long I may never know (early The Wild Shore was fine, best I recall). But I recently saw a mention of "cli-fi" as emerging trend, so we may get sick of the whole thing even before it all comes true.

Mark: Yes, Kipling’s mum was related to a famous Pre-Raphaelite in the Morris circle — his dad of course ran the Lucknow museum — and when he was boarded in England as kid (not the notorious time that became Baa Baa Black Sheep) he stayed with the De Morgans, who were also minor slebs in Arts&Crafts terms: William DM a high-end potter and tile designer (he did the fireplaces for the Titanic iirc!)

Yrs partly (Kipling's)sic-fi stories, but also the stories about ships and trains and cars — esp.the ones from the perspective of the train or ship. The ones abt cars are really intriguing: he was totally an early adopter.

me: Didn't know any of that, thanks! Will def have to read more Kipling----recently found one of his I mentioned in an anth w HG's "The Land Ironclads"---getting back into Wells, and suspect the Eloi and Morlocks might have gotten Morris (and Tolkien) going. Finally read The Lord Of The Rings, and feel like I totally/mostly get it! Specific associations re the "not allegorical, dammit!" Ring/magic can shift, but lately I think of fossil fuels as thee ancient source of modern marvels, source which must now be sacrificed to/for any chance of future lives, bearable legacy But once that ship sails off into the autumn sea, it sails, buddy. So the book is a tragedy, but fairly often experienced as a comedy, in a commedia sense: fascination of the vivid details, robustly acted out, with some mortal meat joy, and other meat conditions.

dow, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 19:08 (four years ago) Permalink

William DM a high-end potter and tile designer (he did the fireplaces for the Titanic iirc!

De Morgan Centre looking for a foothold. (Those are Tolkien's ships, right there)

alimosina, Thursday, 20 November 2014 01:24 (four years ago) Permalink

Just heard "Dream Weaver" on the radio. Wasn't there an sf writer named Gary Wright who had a much anthologized story about some futuristic luge called something like "Ice Slide"? "Ice Capades"? "Ice Rink" ? "Ice Mutants"? and then was never heard from again? I'll guess I'll see what Clute & Co have to say.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:44 (four years ago) Permalink

Looks like some Canadian teacher assigned it to his students to adapt as a short film. Don't think it was clemenza, though.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:55 (four years ago) Permalink

Can anyone tell me what on earth Science Fiction Poetry is? Poems of fantasy and horror just uses tropes of those genres but how do you achieve the conceptual framework of SF in poetry? Because without that, the tropes by themselves would just be fantasy poems or poems about radical change.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 23 November 2014 20:56 (four years ago) Permalink

If you have to ask you'll never know.

Tom Disch might have had something to tell you about it, but he is sadly no longer with us.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 November 2014 21:00 (four years ago) Permalink

Oh gosh, now that you mention it, I've seen poetry in science fiction mags as far back as I can remember, though I don't remember any specific poem, at least in part because I haven't read any sf mags in a long time. I do remember there being quite a range, from short light verse (limericks, even)to much more ambitious testimonials and mini-sagas(never got much space in the page sense).
I'll have to dig up some of those zines; meanwhile this looks like a good place to start:
http://www.sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/poetry

dow, Sunday, 23 November 2014 22:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Also notable were the infusion of a quantity of poetry into the text of Brian W Aldiss's novel Barefoot in the Head (1969)

Thinking about what Aldiss to read next, since I finished Report on Probability A , which I will give a report grade of 'A' to, and this is on my short list.

There are some poems in the anthology Sense of Wonder.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 November 2014 22:51 (four years ago) Permalink

Just came across a 1962 American printing of The Long Afternoon of Earth, AKA Hothouse; unabridged edition didn't come out in the US 'til 76.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/915UUZNX5hL._SL1500_.jpg

dow, Sunday, 23 November 2014 23:37 (four years ago) Permalink

Did you buy it? It is currently out of print. I loved the story/extract in the Silverberg SF 101 book, as mentioned on prior thread.

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 November 2014 23:41 (four years ago) Permalink

This is the abridged version I got (for 25 cents)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518xgA8aO7L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

dow, Monday, 24 November 2014 00:00 (four years ago) Permalink

in terms of thematic vibe, this cover may be more appropriate, but the UK is awesome o coures

dow, Monday, 24 November 2014 00:01 (four years ago) Permalink

In your favorite online sf reference work I believe that book has the tag ***SEMISPOILER ALERT** "Space Elevator" **END OF SEMISPOILER ALERT

Junior Dadaismus (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 24 November 2014 00:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Vandermeer has come back to one he still thinks is underappreciated. The title and author seem vaguely familiar; anybody read it? http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2007/08/19/smile-on-the-void-by-stuart-gordon/

dow, Monday, 24 November 2014 05:22 (four years ago) Permalink

New Yorker won't let me link, but check out Laura Miller's "Fresh Hell" for clear lens view of profuse YA dystopias, and how the lit varies from Classic adult-aimed (later school-assigned). TNY's Amy Davidson later agrees with much but not all of Miller's take.

dow, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 17:40 (four years ago) Permalink

been reading LeGuin's "A Fisherman of the Inland Sea" (they had it at the library). I took Disch to task in "The Dreams Our Stuff is Made of" for his attacks on her, and while I won't recant on that count (he was unnecessarily harsh and dismissive), she really can let her didacticism get in the way. I can think of few fiction writers that have a more keenly developed political agenda that is so readily apparent in their work. Ayn Rand obviously (lol) and Heinlein and Scott Card I suppose. But LeGuin's well to the left of those boorish blowhards, and arguably more audacious conceptually. I wonder if I should go back and re-read the Kestrel books for any political subtext I may have missed in jr high, I always liked those...

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 22:17 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't think I'll read her for a very long time unless I come across her work in anthologies. Because once Moorcock said her work was self-consciously literary and left him cold. But he was very fond of her as a person.

That really put me off and what you say here adds to that. But Wizard Of Earthsea is an attractive name so I'm not totally discouraged.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 01:28 (four years ago) Permalink

Moorcock doesn't always make the right choices...

Even people I know who don't usually like her (or science fiction in general) tend to like this

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81dSlqYK3SL.jpg

dow, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 01:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Sad!

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 07:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As in bad?

dow, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As in ;_;

It's fine, bit of a mood piece, not up there with his philosophical/speculative highs.

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I just received City in the mail. Simak says he has mixed feelings about including the story in the book but did so for the editor. It was written a long time after the other stories and perhaps some feel it spoils the book? But I've mostly heard that fans like it.
Perhaps Gollancz wanted the original book as it was. The Gollancz introduction does note the existence of the last story, but from what I could find out from reviews, offers no explanation for leaving it out, so perhaps it was a mistake.

Also, if you're going for Cordwainer Smith, note that Rediscovery Of Man has been used as a title for both a Best Of and a Complete Stories collection.

Cant remember if I noted above but Strugatsky Bros' Snail On The Slope is getting a Masterworks entry. I presume it's a new translation because the earlier translation was said to be a disaster and the brothers hated it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 31 May 2019 15:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

RIP Dennis Etchison

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 31 May 2019 21:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

On the subject of long delays between books. Evangeline Walton maybe holds record for biggest gap, with 36 years between two entries but I'm pretty sure she wasn't writing that whole time.
But it really isn't that unusual for some to be stuck for 10-20 years. Sometimes due to poor sales, contracts or just having difficulties writing.
Of course some begin with a clear arc in mind and some are open ended with each novel, just in case. Long comments thread about some of this.

https://www.tor.com/2019/05/29/hope-springs-eternal-five-unfinished-series-that-remain-a-joy-to-read/

I happened to buy Steerswoman's Road by Kirstein last week.

As for my favorites, I've only read the first of Somtow's Inquestor books so I don't know if the fourth book in 1985 was open ended but he started it again last year.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 June 2019 19:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Another incompleteness spotted from a review. M John Harrison's Viriconium omnibus doesn't have these stories
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?78184
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?42243
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?78183

but I'm guessing he just doesn't like them enough since the first one has only been printed twice.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

What do you mean by the last? It has “In Viriconium.”

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

In US at least.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It might be a mistake but it's listed as a separate thing from the 3rd novel.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 1 June 2019 22:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Opinions on D.G. Compton? I am not digging “The Continuous Catherine Mortenhoe” tbh, reads like a combo of Spinrad’s dumbest ideas + some heavy-handed moralizing.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:35 (one week ago) Permalink

I see there are some positive readings upthread but tbh I’m finding several aspects of the basic premise irritating, like he had a polemical point to make that superseded any pretenses of logic.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Really enjoyed The Silent Multitude, but then I also enjoyed Catherine Mortenhoe, so that probably doesn't help.

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Thursday, 13 June 2019 03:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Reading Ann Kavan’s “Ice”

Thoughts? I'm midway through and it's not doing much for me. It's techniques are almost identical to Kazuo Ishiguro's The Unconsoled, one of my all time favourites of all time; however the characters and setting here are too unsympathetic for my tastes.

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 13 June 2019 07:37 (one week ago) Permalink

re: Catherine Mortenhoe - I'm not ready to give up yet (only 50 pages in) because honestly the writing is so good maybe it will get me past my quibbles with the premise

re: Ana Kavan's "Ice" - I really liked it and read it in two days. The repetitive, hallucinatory vibe is very well sustained, even though it's incredibly dark the dreamlike atmosphere just carried me along. Granted I haven't read Ishiguro.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 June 2019 15:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Bought Emma Bull's War For The Oaks today, taken note that Vernor Vinge and John Christopher are the two remaining in the Penguin Worlds line (did this just stop? There hasn't been any books since the initial bunch in 2016) I don't have.
Then I had a dream Vinge, Christopher and I were all at a convention and had a diarrhea attack at the same time.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 June 2019 21:43 (one week ago) Permalink

We three had a diarrhea attack in the dream. I didn't have a diarrhea attack during the dream.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 14 June 2019 21:44 (one week ago) Permalink

http://www.egaeuspress.com/Of_One_Pure_Will.html
Looking forward to this, just ordered.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 15 June 2019 14:54 (one week ago) Permalink

I asked Hari Kunzru if there were going to be more in that series, and he said he hoped so but it was up to the accountants. I guess the accountants said no.

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Sunday, 16 June 2019 00:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Maybe the covers were just too retro.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 16 June 2019 08:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Any cyberpunk recommendations from the last couple years?

Shoegazi (Leee), Monday, 17 June 2019 20:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I am not digging “The Continuous Catherine Mortenhoe” tbh, reads like a combo of Spinrad’s dumbest ideas + some heavy-handed moralizing.

so... I came around on this one, largely due to the excellence of Compton's prose and the depths of his characterizations. This is ultimately a character study wrapped around some old school Christian humanism, the sf elements largely being just background/window-dressing. Some of that is arbitrary and/or poorly defined but ultimately it doesn't matter much. He is definitely a much better writer than Spinrad. While the premise and general UK 70s malaise setting are, I guess, kind of Ballardian, Compton's overall approach and tone are nothing like Ballard's alternately cold or bemused detachment. Will read Synthajoy if I come across a copy.

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 June 2019 20:34 (one week ago) Permalink

Wish Spinrad was a better writer.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 20:57 (one week ago) Permalink

I like some of his stuff quite a bit but he is even more hit or miss than, um, a lot of other writers in the field, and that’s saying something.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 17 June 2019 20:58 (one week ago) Permalink

I've only read some of his short pieces (which were fine) and Bug Jack Barron (which was awful)

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 June 2019 21:07 (one week ago) Permalink

Finally gave away my copy of The Iron Dream, accepting peacefully I will never actually read it

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Monday, 17 June 2019 23:57 (one week ago) Permalink

Liked it in high school, have been leery of rereading.

One I really liked of his was The Void Captain’s Tale, which delivers on its provocative premise and doesn’t flag stylistically or at least doesn’t annoy, although I couldn’t get into its sequel, Child of Fortune, which is written in the same fashion.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 02:01 (one week ago) Permalink

has anyone read ada palmer's too like the lightning, and does it become less insufferable than the first 20 pages is?

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:41 (six days ago) Permalink

objections: a grating 18th century prose style with frequent asides to the reader; copious chandleresque unexplained in-universe words and concepts; ridiculous names (martin guildbreaker, saneer-weeksbooth); frequent references to theology and theological concepts.

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:51 (six days ago) Permalink

also, magic.

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:52 (six days ago) Permalink

She had donned her boots too, tall, taut Humanist boots patterned with a flowing brush-pen landscape, the kind with winding banks and misty mountains that the eye gets lost in. Any Humanist transforms, grows stronger, prouder, when they don the Hive boots which stamp each Member’s signature into the dust of history, but if others change from house cat to regal tiger, Thisbe becomes something more extreme...

kill me now

The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:58 (six days ago) Permalink

Jack Vance it ain’t.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 14:04 (six days ago) Permalink

so i'm winding my banks, goin' to misty mountain

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 16:55 (six days ago) Permalink

yeah I checked out at around that point ledge

seemed like it might be a cool concept but nah

Number None, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 18:53 (six days ago) Permalink

I LOVE COMMAS!
This sentence I'm working on is SO BEAUTIFUL thanks to commas, and would be utterly incomprehensible without.
now back to work. #writerslife

— Ada Palmer (@Ada_Palmer) June 18, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 19:10 (six days ago) Permalink

sentence construction how do it wrok

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 19:21 (six days ago) Permalink

There was a post or two by Martin S that I would read reasonably often about who could write and who couldn’t but I don’t recall her being mentioned there pro or con.

TS The Students vs. The Regents (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 19:27 (six days ago) Permalink

I'm reading the new Adrian Tchaikovsky, Children of Ruin. This time it's sentient octopuses!

Won't make any grand claims for the dude's writing, but I love 'uplift' as a concept in general and he clearly puts some work into figuring out the nuts and bolts

Number None, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 20:55 (six days ago) Permalink

I’ve been meaning to read that guy for years

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 20 June 2019 00:41 (five days ago) Permalink

Read his Walking to Aldebaran novella recently, which was not bad. Some very interesting ideas/concepts, but all deflated/undercut by the irritating bluff no-nonsense man's man narrator

And according to some websites, there were “sexcapades.” (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 June 2019 01:23 (five days ago) Permalink

objections: a grating 18th century prose style with frequent asides to the reader; copious chandleresque unexplained in-universe words and concepts; ridiculous names (martin guildbreaker, saneer-weeksbooth); frequent references to theology and theological concepts.

― The Pingularity (ledge), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:51 (yesterday) Permalink

man from this description i was hyped for whatever this is but the sentences you quote afterwards did not live up it

She had donned her boots too, tall, taut Humanist boots patterned with a flowing brush-pen landscape, the kind with winding banks and misty mountains that the eye gets lost in. Any Humanist transforms, grows stronger, prouder, when they don the Hive boots which stamp each Member’s signature into the dust of history, but if others change from house cat to regal tiger, Thisbe becomes something more extreme...

idk if the punctuation of a definition as if it were an adverb in the first sentence is the worst thing or if the defining relative clause boner in the second is the worst thing. if you love commas set them free i guess

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 20 June 2019 02:04 (five days ago) Permalink

live up *to it. sod's law there would be a typo in that sentence

the ghost of tom, choad (thomp), Thursday, 20 June 2019 02:05 (five days ago) Permalink

read 'record of a spaceborn few' by becky chambers, which was pleasant and positive and naive

it also had no plot to speak of, an uninteresting world/galaxy milieu, and rote one-note characters (literally all of whom are Good, but Different, and That's Okay). i don't know that it really merited publication, let alone a hugo nomination

otoh i did finish it, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. and there are no bluff no-nonsense man's man narrators or supernaturally capable protagonists or creepy-old-writer sex scenes

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 June 2019 02:09 (five days ago) Permalink

I didn't finish her previous one, a long way to a small angry planet. 'Pleasant and positive and naive' nails it, I gave up when the main character managed to pollyanna the brutal space pirates into taking just what they needed instead of plundering the ship and murdering everyone on board.

The Pingularity (ledge), Thursday, 20 June 2019 07:46 (five days ago) Permalink

lol

mookieproof, Thursday, 20 June 2019 14:24 (five days ago) Permalink

I heard there was a roundtable (Shadow Clarke) in which she was savaged by overexcited critics, some were calling it racist. Didn't sound like my kind of thing but a lot of people seem to rate her.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 June 2019 19:32 (four days ago) Permalink

i obviously don't think the book i read was good, but 'racist' seems really far-fetched -- her whole thing seems to be oh we are all human but in different ways and it's all good and can't we just get along

i suppose that in this fraught era she can be blamed for not addressing the problem of race, but shit, she didn't even address the book's need for a plot

mookieproof, Friday, 21 June 2019 20:17 (four days ago) Permalink

Think some people said there were racial stereotypes in there applied to different species of humanoid?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 21 June 2019 20:32 (four days ago) Permalink

iirc it was because the main character failed to check her privilege. there's a link upthread somewhere i think.

The Pingularity (ledge), Friday, 21 June 2019 20:40 (four days ago) Permalink

Anyone read the Genevieve series by Kim Newman/Jack Yeovil? I was under the false impression that I bought the complete omnibus but they've decided to publish them separately again (possibly due to increased popularity of Newman?). Getting a lot of conflicting info on what order these books should be read in and whether they're fine as standalone reads.
This is one area where I envy readers of strictly mainstream realist fiction, I bet they never have to worry about reading orders of Bougie McMiddleman.

Was interested in Terry Dowling because he was one of the few authors Jack Vance wrote an introduction for (a young one too, considering Vance did not keep up with the genre) and Harlan Ellison interviewed him on television, championed him.
But the Tom Rynosseros series is the hardest to buy series I've ever come across, the first easy enough to find but the third and fourth are rare as fuck. So this news was welcome...

The Complete Rynosseros due from PS Publishing in 2019

Preparations are well under way by PS Publishing in the UK and its affiliate PS Australia to release The Complete Rynosseros in the first half of 2019, first as a deluxe three-volume slipcased hard-cover edition, then in paperback. All forty-five Tom stories (two previously uncollected and one brand new) will be available at last, featuring 398k of fiction (24k never included in the four original Tom Rynosseros collections), plus Appendices and a further 36k of Story Notes produced exclusively for this edition. For those new to the saga, the Australian SF Reader in October 2007 called this: “The best and most ambitious Australian science fiction series ever written, and one of the best, ever, period.” Nick Stathopoulos is producing brand-new artwork for the project.

Will surely be expensive but I'm probably going to go for this.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 23 June 2019 15:34 (two days ago) Permalink


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