Year-End Critics' Polls '07

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I thought of doing an update of this five year-old thread - make predictions about what will be in/win magazines' end of year critics' polls, but really, that's the most boring part. I don't really care what overrated geezer rock album tops the Uncut and MOJO lists. I'm looking to be reminded of albums I hadn't gotten around to checking out yet.

In early 90s Spin used to be the first to publish their list in early November, but they wait until late December now. Are there any out besides Stylus yet?

Fastnbulbous, Saturday, 17 November 2007 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

Largehearted Boy is keeping track of the year-end lists in this post:

http://www.largeheartedboy.com/blog/archive/2007/11/2007_online_bes.html

three handclaps, Saturday, 17 November 2007 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

Also, Idolator just announced the "2007 Idolator Pop Critics Poll."

http://idolator.com/tunes/announcements/lets-do-it-again-announcing-the-2007-idolator-pop-critics-poll-323885.php

Can't wait to see the results.

three handclaps, Saturday, 17 November 2007 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

Idolator was pretty interesting last year, more so than P&J at least.

stephen, Saturday, 17 November 2007 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

is anyone able to access last year's ballots? i get a message that says "Authorization required: You don't have permission to do this" when I click on the link (and earlier it just led to a blank page)

aaron d.g., Saturday, 17 November 2007 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

I just got my Idolator ballot -- a reminder that I need to get off my ass and listen to some stuff in the next few weeks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 17 November 2007 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

Unfortunately, when Gawker redesigned its comments, it erased the ballots from last year. We've figured out a workaround this year, so it shouldn't happen again.

Matos W.K., Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:12 (twelve years ago) link

Are those '06 ballots coming back, Michaelangelo? That will totally suck, if they don't. I'm not sure I kept a record anywhere else of what I voted for!

xhuxk, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

archive.org
google.com

Tape Store, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

Matos, Jess, Maura: Good job avoiding dread acronym "ICP".

The Reverend, Saturday, 17 November 2007 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

Wait, so you can still find old ballots by googling...what, exactly?

xhuxk, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:04 (twelve years ago) link

I'm pretty sure they're completely gone. I tried using Archive.org's Wayback Machine -- no luck, and they're definitely not up on the site.

three handclaps, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

I found mine by entering: "first name, last name" jackin' pop

Tape Store, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

Then look at the cached text

Tape Store, Sunday, 18 November 2007 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

Matos, any idea when ballots are going out? I haven't gotten mine yet... (though that may not be an oversight, and my disastrous ballot from last year may have disqualified me...)

Mordechai Shinefield, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:34 (twelve years ago) link

OMG my ballot last year was so awesome, I was such a good critic last year

Dimension 5ive, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

A few Idolator readers who write about music may have noticed an invitation in their inbox today; still others will be receiving one soon. . . .

Chances are if you write about music regularly we've already got an invite on its way to you, but if you want to be considered, email p✧✧✧@idola✧✧✧.c✧✧ and include your name, your email, links to your blog and/or some pieces you've written during 2007. . . .


from Let's Do It Again: Announcing The 2007 Idolator Pop Critics Poll

three handclaps, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

I predict Calle 13 and Dude N' Nem will deservedly take their places in the number one spots for albums and singles, respectively

....on my ballot. : (

The Reverend, Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:56 (twelve years ago) link

We sent ballots out yesterday. If you didn't get it, write me.

Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

or rather, write p✧✧✧@idola✧✧✧.c✧✧ -- of course, since 85% of the responses I've tried sending from that address are fucking BOUNCING, I'll probably reply from somewhere else. but do it anyway.

Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

that's poll at idolator dot com

Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

I really hate the internet today

Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 02:59 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw, I got mine just fine.

The Reverend, Sunday, 18 November 2007 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

Matos, I haven't gotten mine yet. I sent you an email yesterday.

Mordechai Shinefield, Sunday, 18 November 2007 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

I know you did. I can't send out invites until the week. Be patient.

Matos W.K., Sunday, 18 November 2007 23:14 (twelve years ago) link

kk. Just asking :)

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 19 November 2007 02:22 (twelve years ago) link

Ethan and R|T|C want me to push for a ban on voting for white rockers. Sasha will allow votes for Los Angeles rockers No Age though. None of this wimpy multicultural voting for African, Latin, rap and white guy rock though, like I did last year.

curmudgeon, Monday, 19 November 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

god if it's gonna be like that I probably won't even bother, wtf

Dimension 5ive, Monday, 19 November 2007 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

I keed, I keed. But seriously, those dudes think that my advocacy of increasing the presence of non-rock contributors to alt-weeklies and music polls means I cannot ever admit myself to liking any white rockers, or uh, seeing holes in SFJ theories.

curmudgeon, Monday, 19 November 2007 04:05 (twelve years ago) link

: ( I was planning on voting for 9 white rockers and one token rap act. (also white) I guess I'll have to reconsider.

The Reverend, Monday, 19 November 2007 11:34 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I'm gonna vote for a bunch of white dudes this year as well.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 19 November 2007 11:35 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, so I'm not the only one who found SFJ's piece totally wrong and even a little disingenuous? THE BIG STATEMENT ABOUT CONTEMPORARY MUSIC AND RACE was neither convincing or big.

Mordechai Shinefield, Monday, 19 November 2007 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

Uncut's list came out November 1 last year. The 2007 list must be out by now?

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 23 November 2007 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

Uncut's Jan issue comes out today. Apparently with two books, one of which covers the albums and singles lists. The list should pop up online soon.

Paste Magazine
1. The National - Boxer
2. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
3. Bruce Springsteen - Magic
4. The White Stripes - Icky Thump
5. Feist - The Reminder
6. M.I.A. - Kala
7. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
8. Modest Mouse - We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank
9. Band of Horses - Cease to Begin
10. Iron & Wine - The Shepherd's Dog
11. Radiohead - In Rainbows
12. Avett Brothers - Emotionalism
13. Amy Winehouse - Back to Black
14. Loney, Dear - Loney, Noir
15. Kanye West - Graduation
16. Ryan Adams - Easy Tiger
17. Josh Ritter - The Historical Conquests of Josh Ritter
18. Miranda Lambert - Crazy Ex-Girlfriend
19. Ted Leo & the Pharmacists - Living with the Living
20. Blonde Redhead - 23
21. Jens Lekman - Night Falls Over Kortedala
22. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
23. Black Lips - Good Bad Not Evil
24. Patty Griffin - Children Running Through
25. Over The Rhine - The Trumpet Child
26. The Shins - Wincing the Night Away
27. Derek Webb - The Ringing Bell
28. Mary Gauthier - Between Daylight and Dark
29. Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
30. Björk - Volta
31. Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?
32. Andrew Bird - Armchair Apocrypha
33. PJ Harvey - White Chalk
34. Bright Eyes - Cassadaga
35. Peter Bjorn & John - Writer's Block
36. Joe Henry - Civilians
37. Eleni Mandell - The Miracle Of Five
38. Olof Arnalds - Vid Og Vid
39. The Perishers - Victorious
40. Damien Dempsey - To Hell Or Barbados
41. Brandi Carlile - The Story
42. Lifesavas - Gutterfly
43. The Everybodyfields - Nothing Is Okay
44. Norah Jones - Not Too Late
45. Sharon Jones & the Dap Kings - 100 Days, 100 Nights
46. Justice - †
47. Linda Thompson - Versatile Heart
48. The Weakerthans - Reunion Tour
49. Carolina Chocolate Drops - Dona Got A Ramblin’ Mind
50. Battles - Mirrored
51. The Frames - The Cost
52. Thurston Moore - Trees Outside the Academy
53. Fionn Regan - The End Of History
54. Broken Social Scene Presents: Kevin Drew - Spirit If...
55. Sunset Rubdown - Random Spirit Lover
56. Kate Nash - Made of Bricks
57. The Clientele - God Save The Clientele
58. Romantica - America
59. Imperial Teen - The Hair The TV The Baby & The Band
60. The Broken West - I Can't Go On I'll Go On
61. Prince - Planet Earth
62. Joseph Arthur - Let's Just Be
63. Explosions In The Sky - All Of A Sudden I Miss Everyone
64. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
65. Caribou - Andorra
66. Apples In Stereo - New Magnetic Wonder
67. St. Vincent - Marry Me
68. Office - A Night At The Ritz
69. Bat For Lashes - Fur & Gold
70. Ween - La Cucaracha
71. Josh Rouse - Country Mouse City House
72. Bettye Lavette - Scene Of The Crime
73. Warm In The Wake - American Prehistoric
74. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup
75. Great Lake Swimmers - Ongiara
76. Okkervil River - The Stage Names
77. Jeremy Fisher - Goodbye Blue Monday
78. The New Pornographers - Challengers
79. Deerhoof - Friend Opportunity
80. Akron/Family - Love Is Simple
81. Art Brut - It's A Bit Complicated
82. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings
83. Deerhunter - Cryptograms
84. Liars - Liars
85. Menomena - Friend and Foe
86. Ruthie Foster - The Phenomenal Ruthie Foster
87. White Rabbits – Fort Nightly
88. Do Make Say Think - You, You're A History In Rust
89. Anat Cohen - Noir
90. Devendra Banhart - Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon
91. The Fratellis - Costello Music
92. Jesse Sykes – Like, Love, Lust & the Open Halls of the Soul
93. Lori McKenna - Unglamorous
94. Suzanne Vega - Beauty & Crime
95. The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Good, The Bad & The Queen
96. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
97. Marissa Nadler - Song III: Bird on the Water
98. Dinosaur Jr. - Beyond
99. The Fiery Furnaces - Widow City
100. Stars – In Our Bedroom After The War

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 29 November 2007 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

Harp Magazine's list (nice to see Okkervil top a list other than my own):

50. Tunng, Good Arrows
49. Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings, 100 Days, 100 Nights
48. Oakley Hall, I'll Follow You
47. Yeasayer, All Hour Cymbals
46. Manu Chao, La Radiolina
45. Bettye LaVette, The Scene Of The Crime
44. Beirut, The Flying Cub Cup
43. Explosions In The Sky, All Of A Sudden I Miss Everyone
42. Mavis Staples, We'll Never Turn Back
41. Dr. Dog, We All Belong
40. Ian Hunter, Shrunken Heads
39. Patty Griffin, Children Running Through
38. Eleni Mandell, Miracle Of Five
37. Rufus Wainwright, Release The Stars
36. Bright Eyes, Cassadega
35. Animal Collective, Strawberry Jam
34. Ryan Adams, Easy Tiger
33. St. Vincent, Marry Me
32. Broken Social Scene Presents Kevin Drew, Spirit If...
31. Robert Wyatt, Comicopera
30.Grinderman
29. Kings Of Leon, Because Of The Times
28. Grace Potter & The Nocturnals, This Is Somewhere
27. Of Montreal, Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?
26. Steve Earle, Washington Square Serenade
25. Jesse Sykes And The Sweet Hereafter, Like, Love, Lust, And The Open Halls Of The Soul
24. M.I.A., Kala
23. Bill Callahan, Woke On A Whale Heart
22. Ted Leo & The Pharmacists, Living With The Living
21. The National, Boxer
20. Rilo Kiley, Under The Blacklight
19. Bruce Springsteen, Magic
18. Georgie James, Places
17. The Good, The Bad, And The Queen
16. Wilco, Sky Blue Sky
15. The New Pornographers, Challengers
14. The Shins, Wincing The Night Away
13. Avett Brothers, Emotionalism
12. Devendra Banhart, Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon
11. White Stripes, Icky Thump
10. Jason Isbell, Sirens Of The Ditch
9. Neil Young, Chrome Dreams II
8. Arcade Fire, Neon Bible
7. Radiohead, In Rainbows
6. Spoon, Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
5. Feist, The Reminder
4. Future Clouds & Radar
3. Iron & Wine, The Shepherd's Dog
2. Band Of Horses, Cease To Begin
1. Okkervil River, The Stage Names

Simon H., Thursday, 29 November 2007 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

If Rihanna isn't at the top of any given list, they lose. They lose the whole Interwebs. LOSE.

Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 29 November 2007 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

Sharon Jones at only #45 in Paste? Josh Rouse only at #71? Recount!

Joseph McCombs, Thursday, 29 November 2007 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

Mordechai, aren't you aware that R&B is only good when made by relics and retroists?

The Reverend, Thursday, 29 November 2007 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, so I'm not the only one who found SFJ's pieceMordechai Shinefield's post totally wrong and even a little disingenuous? THE BIG STATEMENT ABOUT CONTEMPORARY MUSIC AND RACERIHANNA was neither convincing or big.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 29 November 2007 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

Mags that pay attention to metal will be giving big props to Wolves in the Throneroom Two Hunters (Southern Lord).

Nate Carson, Friday, 30 November 2007 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

<sticks out tongue at Alex in Baltimore> Phphhhtt.

Mordechai Shinefield, Friday, 30 November 2007 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

You poptimist you...

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 14:28 (twelve years ago) link

What is going on with these early lists, people? Hissing Fauna showing up in the mid 20s? And New Magnetic Wonder only making it to 66? This is an outrage!

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 15:01 (twelve years ago) link

I know, right.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

Quick, someone tell SFJ the news!

JN$OT, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 15:37 (twelve years ago) link

Since its inception, Metacritic has provided a cross-section of reviews from a carefully-screened group of the most respected critics

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

Decibel: Where nobody gives a flying fuck about In Rainbows
Satan bless Decibel and their metal-lovin' ways.

40 - Grave In The Sky - Cutlery Hits China: English For The Hearing Impaired
39 - Trap Them - Sleepwell Deconstructer
38 - Darkest Hour - Deliver Us
37 - Year of No Light - Nord
36 - Pissed Jeans - Hope For Men
35 - Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde
34 - Torche - In Return
33 - Between the Buried and Me - Colors
32 - Evoken - A Caress Of The Void
31 - Destroyer Destroyer - Littered With Arrows
30 - Down - III: Over The Under
29 - Engineer - The Dregs
28 - Rwake - Voice Of Omens
27 - Architect - All Is Not Lost
26 - Obliteration - Perpetual Decay
25 - Dax Riggs - We Sing Of Only Blood Or Love
24 - Big Business - Here Come The Waterworks
23 - Rosetta - Wake/Lift
22 - Magrudergrind - Rehashed
21 - Machine Head - The Blackening
20 - Caina - Mourner
19 - Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today
18 - The End - Elementary
17 - Melt-Banana - Bambi's Dilemma
16 - Graf Orlock - Destination Time Tomorrow
15 - Bergraven - Dodsvisioner
14 - Moonsorrow - Viides Luku/Havitetty
13 - Pelican - City Of Echoes
12 - The Red Chord - Prey For Eyes
11 - Deathspell Omega - Fas-ite Maledicti In Ignem Aeternum
10 - A Life Once Lost - Iron Gag
09 - High on Fire - Death Is This Communion
08 - Portal - Outre
07 - Witchcraft - The Alchemist
06 - Neurosis - Given To The Rising
05 - Baroness - The Red Album
04 - Jesu - Conqueror
03 - The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works
02 - Watain - Sworn To The Dark
01 - Pig Destroyer - Phantom Limb

Uncut
I love LCD Soundsystem to death. They rocked hard when I saw them, when they blew M.I.A. off the stage. But the new one is just a bit too inconsistent. It looks like some of their staff agree with me that the new Arctic Monkeys is far better than their first. Robert Plant and Alison Krauss and Wilco are predictable entries (is Tweedy old enough to be called a geezer yet?), and White Chalk and Comicopera are surprisingly challenging albums that high on an Uncut list. Voice of the Seven Woods is an interesting guitar album I'd never heard of before. They must not let Simon Reynolds vote anymore, otherwise at least Burial and Pinch would be on there, representing dubstep.

1. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
2. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
3. PJ Harvey - White Chalk
4. Robert Plant and Alison Krauss - Raising Sand
5. Wilco - Sky Blue Sky
6. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera
7. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America
8. The White Stripes - Icky Thump
9. Radiohead - In Rainbows
10. Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future
11. Björk - Volta
12. Battles - Mirrored
13. Neil Young - Chrome Dreams II
14. M.I.A. - Kala
15. Panda Bear - Person Pitch
16. Grinderman - Grinderman
17. Super Furry Animals - Hey Venus!
18. Voice of the Seven Woods - Voice of the Seven Woods
19. Feist - The Reminder
20. Bruce Springsteen - Magic
21. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
22. Babyshambles - Shotters Nation
23. Rilo Kiley - Under the Brightlight
24. Lessavy Fav - Let's Stay Friends
25. Kings of Leon - Because of the Times
26. Manu Chao - La Radiolina
27. Steve Earle - Washington Square Serenade
28. Rufus Wainwright - Release the Stars
29. The Besnard Lakes - The Besnard Lakes are the Dark Horse
30. The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Good, The Bad & The Queen
31. Devendra Banhart - Smokey Rolls Down Thunder Canyon
32. Queens of the Stone Age - Era Vulgaris
33. Tinariwen - Aman Iman: Water Is Life
34. The National - Boxer
35. Bill Callahan - Woke on a Whaleheart
36. Bright Eyes - Cassadaga
37. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup
38. The Cribs - Men's Needs, Women's Needs, Whatever
39. Interpol - Our Love to Admire
40. Iron and Wine - The Shepherd's Dog
41. Justice - †
42. Richard Thompson - Sweet Warrior
43. Manic Street Preachers - Send Away the Tigers
44. Maps - We Can Create
45. Richard Hawley - Lady's Bridge
46. Von Sudenfed - Tromatic Reflexxions
47. Nick Lowe - At My Age
48. Thurston Moore - Trees Outside the Academy
49. Ry Cooder - My Name Is Buddy
50. Dinosaur Jr. - Beyond

Q Magazine
It's nice to see Soulsavers and Field Music here, as they aren't on many lists yet. I haven't heard of Cherry Ghost, will have to check them out. They have Klaxons, but no Maximo Park, The Rakes, Good Shoes or The Maccabees. If Q doesn't champion them, who will? Guess it'll have to be NME or lil' ol me.

1. Arcade Fire - Neon Bible
2. The White Stripes - Icky Thump
3. Arctic Monkeys - Favourite Worst Nightmare
4. Radiohead - In Rainbows
5. The Good, The Bad & The Queen - The Good, The Bad & The Queen
6. Bruce Springsteen - Magic
7. Kings of Leon - Because of the Times
8. The Shins - Wincing the Night Away
9. The Hold Steady - Boys and Girls in America
10. Rufus Wainwright - Release the Stars
11. Modest Mouse - We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank
12. Foo Fighters - Echoes, Silence, Patience & Grace
13. Kaiser Chiefs - Yours Truly, Angry Mob
14. Cherry Ghost - Thirst for Romance
15. Interpol - Our Love to Admire
16. Manic Street Preachers - Send Away the Tigers
17. Rilo Kiley - Under the Blacklight
18. LCD Soundsystem - Sound of Silver
19. Björk - Volta
20. The Rumble Strips - Girls and Weather
21. Cold War Kids - Robbers & Cowards
22. The Coral - Roots & Echoes
23. Bright Eyes - Cassadaga
24. PJ Harvey - White Chalk
25. Spoon - Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
26. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup
27. Ryan Adams - Easy Tiger
28. The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
29. Roìsìn Murphy - Overpowered
30. The National - Boxer
31. Soulsavers - It's Not How Far You Fall, It's the Way You Land
32. Klaxons - Myths of the Near Future
33. Neil Young - Chrome Dreams II
34. M.I.A. - Kala
35. Hard-Fi - Once upon a Time in the West
36. Common - Finding Forever
37. Robyn - Robyn
38. Fall Out Boy - Infinity on High
39. Joni Mitchell - Shine
40. Field Music - Tones of Town
41. Keren Ann - Keren Ann
42. The Enemy - We'll Live and Die in These Towns
43. Patrick Watson - Close to Paradise
44. Gogol Bordello - Super Taranta!
45. Lucinda Williams - West
46. Sigur Ròs - Hvarf-Heim
47. Kate Nash - Made of Bricks
48. Justice - †
49. Jamie T - Panic Prevention
50. Stereophonics - Pull the Pin

Fastnbulbous, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

man i really wish i could participate in the idolator pop critics poll but i'm not a critic (as i don't have an outlet for any of my writing), just an ilxor/enthusiastic music listener and fan with opinions that need to be heard :(

stephen, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

i had it at #16

'Twas you indeed.

dblcheeksneek, Wednesday, 2 January 2008 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

careful w/those stones mr. resident of glass house

what does this even mean?

-- Matos W.K., Wednesday, 2 January 2008 22:07 (Yesterday) Link

Is this a reference to Mordechai's suggestion on some other thread that any list that does not include "Umbrella" has no credibility, and/or that anyone who posts on the teenpop only thread, as Mordechai does, is somehow a glass house resident (although Mordechai posts on other threads). Who knows? I'll let M. Coleman explain it himself.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 January 2008 06:04 (twelve years ago) link

Because hip-hop is so intensely self-aware, and self-reflexive, it came to be known as big-money music, a genre obsessed with its own success. If we are now entering an age of diminished commercial expectations, that will inevitably change how hip-hop sounds too.

K. Sanneh followed up his critics poll list with a big feature on his fave non-major label rap cds of '07 by Turf Talk, Prodigy, Project Pat and others, and their place in a world with smaller sales for hiphop, and more rappers on independent labels.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/arts/music/30sann.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 January 2008 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

I hope it wasn't a reference to me, since I was just quoting a different critic. I assume he meant that Jody shouldn't throw stones?

Mordechai Shinefield, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

how is the phrase "ape-pooh" not the most controversial thing about that quote/post?

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 16:10 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think people noticed the pic with album covers was linked to more with comments (and on my page it has a few easter eggs). Subgenre distinctions are of course contentious -- I mainly use them as a chance to talk about albums that you don't find in the overall top 13.

Avant Rock & Out Pop
1. Yeasayer - All Hour Cymbals (We Are Free)
2. Black Moth Super Rainbow - Dandelion Gum (Graveface)
3. Parts & Labor - Mapmaker (Jagjaguwar/Brah)
4. A Place To Bury Strangers (Killer Pimp)
5. Strategy - Future Rock (Kranky)
6. Gudrun Gut - I Put A Record On (Monika)
7. Robert Wyatt - Comicopera (Domino)
8. HUMANWINE - Fighting Naked (Nervous Relative)
9. Holy Fuck - LP (Young Turks)
10. Frog Eyes - Tears of the Valedictorian (Absolutely Kosher)
11. Om - Pilgrimage (Southern Lord)
12. Mammatus - The Coast Explodes (Holy Mountain)
13. Dragons of Zynth - Coronation of Thieves (GTC)

Experimental & Ambient
1. Moon Wiring Club - An Audience of Art Deco Eyes (Geophonic Audio Systems)
2. Kemialliset Ystävät (Fonal)
3. The Focus Group - We Are All Pan's People (Ghost Box)
4. Eluvium - Copia (Temporary Residence)
5. Echospace - The Coldest Season (Modern Love)
6. Morgan Packard - Airships Fill the Sky/Unsimulatable (Anticipate)
7. Porn Sword Tobacco - New Exclusive Olympic Heights (City Centre Offices)
8. Avarus - Rasvaaja (Secret Eye)
9. Pumice - Pebbles (Soft Abuse)
10. Melt-Banana - Bambi's Dilemma (A-Zap)
11. Mouthus - Saw a Halo (Loa)
12. Charalambides - Likeness (Kranky)
13. Pitch Black - Rude Mechanicals (Remote/Rhythmethod)

Heavy Rock
1. Jesu - Conquerer (Hydra Head)
2. Witchcraft - The Alchemist (Rise Above)
3. Queens of the Stone Age - Era Vulgaris (Interscope)
4. White Denim - Let's Talk About It EP (White Denim)
5. Dungen - Tio Bitar (Kemado)
6. Alcest - Souvenirs d'un Autre Monde (Profound Lore)
7. Porcupine Tree - Fear Of A Blank Planet (Atlantic)
8. Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today (CND)
9. 65daysofstatic - The Destruction of Small Ideas (Monotreme)
10. Battles - Mirrored (Warp)
11. Rosetta - Wake/Lift (Translation Lost)
12. Nadja - Radiance of Shadows (Alien8)
13. Oceansize - Frames (SPV)

Metal
1. Big Business - Here Come The Waterworks (Hydra Head)
2. Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works (Wea/Relapse)
3. Neurosis - Given to the Rising (Neurot)
4. High On Fire - Death Is This Communion (Relapse)
5. Dethklok - The Dethalbum (Williams Street)
6. Earthless - Rhythms From a Cosmic Sky (Tee Pee)
7. Middian - Age Eternal (Metal Blade)
8. Baroness - Red Album (3D)
9. Wolves in the Throne Room - Two Hunters (Southern Lord)
10. Wolfpack Unleashed - Anthems of Resistance (Napalm)
11. Pharoah Overlord - The Battle of the Axehammer (Riot Season)
12. Pig Destroyer - Phantom Limb (Relapse)
13. 3 Inches of Blood - Fire Up The Blades (Roadrunner)

Electro-Dreamwimp Pop
1. Sally Shapiro - Disco Romance (Paperbag)
2. The Tough Alliance - A New Chance (Sincerely Yours)
3. Maps - We Can Create (Mute)
4. Caribou - Andorra (Merge)
5. Electrelane - No Shouts No Calls (Too Pure)
6. Pram - The Moving Frontier (Domino)
7. St. Vincent - Marry Me (Beggars Banquet)
8. Cassius - 15 Again (Astralwerks)
9. White Williams - Smoke (Tigerbeat6)
10. The Frames - The Cost (Anti)
11. Of Montreal - Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer (Polyvinyl)
12. Shout Out Louds - Our Ill Wills (Merge)
13. Future Clouds & Radar (Star Apple Kingdom)

Electronica, Techno & Dance
1. Burial - Untrue (Hyperdub)
2. Apparat - Walls (Bpitch Control)
3. Matthew Dear - Asa Breed (Ghostly International)
4. Dan Deacon - Spiderman of the Rings (Carpark)
5. Studio - West Coast (Information)
6. Laub - Deinetwegen (Agf Producktion)
7. Modeselektor - Happy Birthday! (Bpitch Control)
8. LCD Soundsystem - Sound Of Silver (DFA)
9. Pinch - Underwater Dancehall (Tectonic)
10. Muscles - Guns Babes Lemonade (Modular)
11. !!! - Myth Takes (Warp)
12. Chloe - The Waiting Room (Kill the DJ)
13. Fennesz & Sakamoto - Cendre (Touch)

Global
1. Tinariwen - Aman Iman (World Village) - Mali
2. Islaja - Ulual Yyy (Fonal) - Finland
3. Kemialliset Ystävät (Fonal) - Finland
4. Balkan Beat Box - Nu Med (JDub) - U.S./Isreal
5. Tokyo Jihen - Variety (EMI) - Japan
6. Café Tacuba - Sino (Universal Latino) - Mexico
7. Korpiklaani - Tervaskanto (Napalm) - Finland
8. Avarus - Rasvaaja (Secret Eye) - Finland
9. Extra Golden - Hera Ma Nono (Thrill Jockey) U.S./Kenya
10. Vieux Farka Toure (World Village) - Mali
11. Fanfare Ciocarlia - Queens and Kings (Asphalt & Tango) - Romania
12. Manu Chao - La Radiolina (Because) - Spain
13. Calle 13 - Residente O Visitante (Sony) - Puerto Rico

New Americana, Country & Folk
1. Tunng - Good Arrows (Thrill Jockey)
2. James Blackshaw - The Cloud of Unknowing (Tompkins Square)
3. PJ Harvey - White Chalk (Island)
4. Wooden Shjips (Holy Mountain)
5. The Fiery Furnaces - Widow City (Thrill Jockey)
6. Eleni Mandell - Miracle of Five (Zedtone)
7. Radical Face - Ghost (Morr)
8. Richard Youngs - Autumn Response (Jagjaguwar)
9. Efterklang - Parade (Leaf)
10. Caïna - Mourner (Profound Lore)
11. Nina Nastasia & Jim White - You Follow Me (Fat Cat)
12. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam (Domino)
13. Beirut - The Flying Club Cup (Ba Da Bing!)

Hip Hop & Rap
1. Dälek - Abandoned Language (Ipecac)
2. El-P - I'll Sleep When You're Dead (Definitive Jux)
3. Aesop Rock - None Shall Pass (Definitive Jux)
4. Shape of Broad Minds - Craft of the Lost Art (Lex)
5. Pharoahe Monch - Desire (SRC/Universal/Motown)
6. Oh No - Dr. No's Oxperiment (Stones Throw)
7. Busdriver - RoadKillOvercoat (Epitaph)
8. Brother Ali - The Undisputed Truth (Rhymesayers)
9. Black Milk - Popular Demand (Fat Beats)
10. Talib Kweli - Eardrum (WB)
11. Little Brother - Get Back (ABB)
12. Cloud Cult - The Meaning Of 8 (Rebel Group)
13. Saul Williams - The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust (Musicane)

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

Some of those aren't so much contentious as laughable, but you've heard and analysed such a fuckton of music over the past year that I'm certainly not going to take you up on any of it! ;-) Anyway, most of my favourites are on here somewhere!

Just got offed, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

COLOUD CULT IS HIP HOP???

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:39 (twelve years ago) link

Re: the Xgau thing

His model is the only one I've ever seen that affords the 3 star/"honorable mention" releases a distinction. People tend to talk more about the records they hated than ones they actually liked and I feel it's crucial to remember their existence if they're so much better than bad/overrated records being made infamous. Find a comfy place to sit down, Nada Surf!

Travis Morrison is one of the great nutjobs. One of the only artists working (and this goes double for indie) whose missteps you still root for, because they actually feel courageous. The last era with that kind of admirably blind tinkering counted Bowie, Prince, Neil Young and R.E.M. as practicioners I believe.

kiss out the jams, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

COLOUD CULT IS HIP HOP???

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, January 3, 2008 4:39 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Yeah, is that a list of indie-rap albums that were merely released last year?

kiss out the jams, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

Caina under New Americana, Country & Folk ?

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

That hiphop list makes me ;_;

The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

"real" hip-hop

J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

The trend for normally sensible critics to give accolades to crappy mainstream rap albums continues, with Jay-Z, UGK, Ghostface Killah and Kanye West topping lists. You'd think from them that hip-hop has stopped evoloving and is curled up waiting to die. And please stop encouraging Lil' Wayne. Hitting one clever lyrical turn for every ten raps does not equal brilliance. Soon the market will be flooded by amateur tapes of rappers throwing every rhyme that falls off the top of their heads with no self editing whatsoever, because they know those white critics will eat anything up. Kanye West isn't totally horrible, as he always manages a couple decent singles. But if you actually listen to what else is out there, there's really no excuse. Artists like Dälek, El-P, Aesop Rock, Shape of Broad Minds, Oh No, Busdriver and Cloud Cult are actually pushing the art of hip-hop to new horizons, chipping away at the untapped vast potential for sounds. Oh No dug into Lebanese, Italian and Greek psych rock, and it's only the tip of the iceberg. Pharoahe Monch, Brother Ali, Black Milk and Little Brother showed it's still possible to make accessible hip-hop that's still powerful and relevant. Saul Williams, well, he's like that crazy uncle who freestyles at the family picnics. He's a little embarrassing, but still he speaks the truth.

The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

Soon the market will be flooded by amateur tapes of rappers throwing every rhyme that falls off the top of their heads with no self editing whatsoever

ok this part is RONG in a different way from the rest of it is

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

i mean...uh...SOON?

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

Hip Hop taken to new levels.

The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

Lil' Wayne really needs to stop trying so hard to appease the white critics, maaan.

polyphonic, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

no wfb no credibility

J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

cloud cult are a bunch of hippies from northfield.

you should check out some other cool hip hop acts like the flaming lips.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

i wish wayne hadn't self-edited so much this year and instead decided to flood the market with every rhyme that fell off the top of his head.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

i saw the video for "way of life" on mtv jams last night and -- although i can't claim to be any kind of big expert w/r/t to cash money or hot boys or NO stuff in general -- that wayne's getting a lot of critical props for being a WORSE rapper than he used to be.

he was great on that song, phrasing and timing was real crisp, contrasted very much w/the "i'm so hood" video i'd seen earlier that day where he's just a fucking spazz for no reason and pretty much everything abt that verse sucks dick.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

OMG, deej is way classic on the thread I linked.

The Reverend, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:28 (twelve years ago) link

i saw the video for "way of life" on mtv jams last night and -- although i can't claim to be any kind of big expert w/r/t to cash money or hot boys or NO stuff in general -- that wayne's getting a lot of critical props for being a WORSE rapper than he used to be.

he was great on that song, phrasing and timing was real crisp, contrasted very much w/the "i'm so hood" video i'd seen earlier that day where he's just a fucking spazz for no reason and pretty much everything abt that verse sucks dick.

-- M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:22 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I don't particularly like "Way Of Life" but I get what you're saying, there's decent punchlines and great vocal performances all over stuff from his pre-Carter solo albums, I still hear DJs play "Shine" and "The Block Is Hot" alongside his new shit and it fits together more than most people would seem to think. His new stuff is better in many ways but definitely more uneven. I kinda like his "I'm So Hood" verse for a few of the lines, but it's still at most the 4th or 5th best verse on the remix.

Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

<i>i mean...uh...SOON?</i>

Yep, I was being generous.

I didn't feel like including Common in the hip hop list so I threw in Cloud Cult. It was funnier at 3 A.M. You folks are cracking me up though, you're like the jackals I was watching on Animal Planet -- one whiff of weakness and the pack all jump in for the kill, ha ha. I guess I should put Public Enemy in there.

I didn't have a category for extreme-experimental-folkmetal, so yeah, Caïna was shoehorned a bit.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i mean that was just what i happened to see, but even that which isn't like a legendary song by him by any means seemed to be so much more focused and well written...like i dig the sort of kool keith zany punchlines he gets now to a degree but i wish it didn't have to come at the expense of clarity and precision.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

Fastnbulbous, I've really enjoyed your year-end lists. Keep on compilin'!

polyphonic, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

Best Wayne performance is still on the The Mind of Mannie Fresh album from a couple of years ago. His off-the-wall freestyling is put into context and boosted by Mannie's...well, whatever it is that Mannie does on that thing.

Dang I have to find that CD, it got deleted off my iPod and I didn't back it up.

Dimension 5ive, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

I used to love Kool Keith. Anyone heard the Ultramagnetic MCs album this year? I was afraid to hear it, as it would make me miss Dr. Octagon/Dooom.

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 3 January 2008 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

It was terrible. He's still capable of sneaking out a good song now and again (like "Drugs" on "Spankmaster"), but his '00s stuff has been really disappointing.

polyphonic, Thursday, 3 January 2008 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

DeRogatis:
1. Grinderman, 'Grinderman'
2. Glenn Mercer, 'Wheels in Motion'
3. Tim Fite, 'Over the Counter Culture'
4. Modest Mouse, 'We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank'
5. Kanye West, 'Graduation'
6. LCD Soundsystem, 'Sound of Silver'
7. Spoon, 'Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga'
8. The Apples in Stereo, 'New Magnetic Wonder'
9. Radiohead, 'In Rainbows'
10. Air, 'Pocket Symphony'
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/derogatis/709668,SHO-Sunday-dero23.article

Jazzbo, Friday, 4 January 2008 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

Tony I'm surprised to not see the new Nacao Zumbi on your list. I haven't heard it myself yet but would have thought anything they did would be an automatic for you. Have you not heard it or is it not any good?

billy g, Saturday, 5 January 2008 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

Saul Williams, well, he's like that crazy uncle who freestyles at the family picnics.

i do not have this uncle.

tipsy mothra, Saturday, 5 January 2008 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't get a chance to hear the latest Nação Zumbí in time for the lists, sadly.

Albums I heard too late to make the lists
1. Momo - A Estetica Do Rebisco (Umvd) - Brazil
2. Nação Zumbí - Fome De Tudo (Deck Disk Brazil)
3. Boris & Michio Kurihara - Rainbow (Drag City) - Japan
4. Vladislav Delay - Whistleblower (Humme) - Finland
5. M83 - Digital Shades Vol. 1 (Mute)
6. Caspian - The Four Trees (Dopamine)
7. Grails - Burning Off Impurities (Temporary Residence)
8. Yakuza - Transmutations (Prosthetic/Red)
9. Giuseppe Ielasi - August (12k) - Italy
10. O'Death - Head Home (Ernest Jenning)
11. Kashiwa Daisuke - Program Music I (Noble) - Japan
12. Opitope - Hau (Spekk) - Japan
13. Signal Hill (Tidemark)

Fastnbulbous, Sunday, 6 January 2008 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

Can I just point out, the Brainwashed readers' poll that came out on January 1 is a really, really great list - the top 25 (copied and pasted below) is the best I've seen for the year. I really enjoy about 20 out of these 25 albums, and that's a fucking great ratio. Enjoy:

1. Stars of the Lid, "And Their Refinement of the Decline" (Kranky)
2. Jesu, "Conqueror" (Hydra Head)
3. Angels of Light, "We Are Him" (Young God)
4. Throbbing Gristle, "Part Two: The Endless Not" (Mute)
5. A Place To Bury Strangers, "A Place To Bury Strangers" (Killer Pimp)
6. Burial, "Untrue" (Hyperdub)
7. Grinderman, "Grinderman" (Mute)
8. Om, "Pilgrimage" (Southern Lord)
9. Einstürzende Neubauten, "Alles Wieder Offen" (Potomak)
10. Panda Bear, "Person Pitch" (Paw Tracks)
11. M.I.A., "Kala" (XL)
12. Six Organs of Admittance, "Shelter from the Ash" (Drag City)
13. Battles, "Mirrored" (Warp)
14. Earth, "Hibernaculum" (Southern Lord)
15. Boris with Michio Kurihara, "Rainbow" (Drag City)
16. Caribou, "Andorra" (Merge)
17. Deerhunter, "Cryptograms" (Kranky)
18. Liars, "Liars" (Mute)
19. LCD Soundsystem, "Sound Of Silver" (DFA)
20. Animal Collective, "Strawberry Jam" (Paw Tracks)
21. Boris with Merzbow, "Rock Dream" (Southern Lord)
22. Faust and Nurse With Wound, "Disconnected" (Art-Errorist)
23. Threshold HouseBoys Choir, "Form Grows Rampant" (Threshold House)
24. Robert Wyatt, "Comicopera" (Domino)
25. Shellac, "Excellent Italian Greyhound" (Touch & Go)

The full top 100, plus a bunch of awards for EPs, reissues, box sets, music videos, labels, and some other fun stuff, including the 10 worst albums of the year: http://brainwashed.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6665&Itemid=1

stephen, Wednesday, 9 January 2008 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

I guess I should get around to listening to this Stars of the Lid band, now that I see 'em big-upped everywhere. But I didn't like Battles, Grinderman, Burial or Animal Collective, and they seem to show up in the same places.

I eat cannibals, Thursday, 10 January 2008 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

They don't sound like any of those bands. (But you might dislike them too.)

polyphonic, Thursday, 10 January 2008 00:48 (twelve years ago) link

Prefix
50 Wu-Tang Clan: 8 Diagrams
49 Digitalism: Idealism
48 Soulsavers (with Mark Lanegan): It’s Not How Far You Fall, It’s How You Land
47 Jesca Hoop: Kismet
46 The Brunettes: Structure & Cosmetics
45 Bill Callahan: Woke on a Whaleheart
44 Boris featuring Michio Kurihara: Rainbow
43 Electrelane: No Shouts, No Calls
42 Little Brother: Getback
41 Nina Nastasia and Jim White: You Follow Me
40 Dan Deacon: Spiderman of the Rings
39 Beirut: The Flying Club Cup
38 Blonde Redhead: 23
37 Blitzen Trapper: Wild Mountain Nation
36 Baroness: The Red Album
35 Amiina: Kurr
34 Cass McCombs: Dropping the Writ
33 Klaxons: Myths of the Near Future
32 Iron & Wine: The Shepherd's Dog
31 Deerhoof: Friendship Opportunity
30 Burial: Untrue
29 Dragons of Zynth: Coronation Thieves
28 Justice: Cross
27 Liars: Liars
26 Fennesz: Cendre
25 Robert Wyatt: Comicopera
24 Sean Price: Jesus Price Superstar
23 Of Montreal: Hissing Fauna, Are You the Destroyer?
22 Stars of the Lid: And Their Refinement of the Decline
21 El-P: I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead
20 Low: Drums and Guns
19 The Field: From Here We Go Sublime
18 PJ Harvey: White Chalk
17 Battles: Mirrored
16 Caribou: Andorra
15 Amy Winehouse: Back to Black
14 Okkervil River: The Stage Names
13 Spoon: Ga Ga Ga Ga Ga
12 Deerhunter: Cryptograms
11 Jens Lekman: Night Falls Over Kortedala
10 Animal Collective: Strawberry Jam
09 Andrew Bird: Armchari Apocrypha
08 Pharoahe Monch: Desire
07 Arcade Fire: Neon Bible
06 Kanye West: Graduation
05 The National: Boxer
04 Panda Bear: Person Pitch
03 LCD Soundsystem: Sound Of Silver
02 Radiohead: In Rainbows
01 M.I.A.: Kala

Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 10 January 2008 02:40 (twelve years ago) link

yea that brainwashed list is awesome

Mark Clemente, Thursday, 10 January 2008 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

xpost - why was I under the impression that brainwashed was no more? evidently my memory's reports of its death were greatly exaggerated.

Great list, Brainwashed; thanks Fastnbulbous.

dblcheeksneek, Thursday, 10 January 2008 16:38 (twelve years ago) link

NPR is running more indie-rock top 10s on their site if you're interested.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

i hope the nina nastasia/jim white record gets some year-end love. that might be my fav record this year.

M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 10 January 2008 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

BMG Music Club sez:

https://webspace.utexas.edu/sdb55/criticspicks.png

stephen, Sunday, 10 February 2008 02:45 (twelve years ago) link

You must be new here. WE THE BEST, MAN!

The Reverend, Sunday, 10 February 2008 05:21 (twelve years ago) link

*jumps off the fucking bridge*

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 10 February 2008 06:11 (twelve years ago) link

Reminds me, I gotta use some more of my BMG Music Service $5.99 coupons (last was M.I.A.) I've left most of my lists in their original form, (orig *published* form, that is, like with P&J's glitches).Maybe some Songs Of The Year to be blogged later. But for now, here's my Nash Scene ballot, with links to my reviews added (re those on PTW, of course you can still stream and, in some cases still download songs from ballot entries)Entries not so Nashvegas this year(although somewhut). Also a lot of comments added, starring Charlie Daniels, Billie Holiday, Johnny Bush, Jon Langford & Sally Timms, Paul Newman & Piper Laurie, Pam Tillis, the Staples Singers, Sugarland, Michelle Shocked, Ashley Monroe, Hope Partlow, and a cast of thousands:
http://thefreelancementalists.blogspot.com

dow, Sunday, 10 February 2008 06:21 (twelve years ago) link

loooooooooool hoos

J0rdan S., Sunday, 10 February 2008 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

musicnerd | Posted on Nov 1st, 2007

in a year where so few good albums came out, (seriously I find it hard to even think of 15 true contenders for classics) Of Montreal at 27 is just uncalled for.

The Reverend, Sunday, 23 May 2010 19:47 (ten years ago) link

oops wrong thread

The Reverend, Sunday, 23 May 2010 19:47 (ten years ago) link


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