This is the thread where you make predictions about what will be in/win magazines' end of year critics' polls

Mind you people who complain about poll predictability are missing the point, me included. Or rather, complaining about the point.

Marcello, so you know the overall results of the Uncut poll? is it a top 50? or top 75? or top 100 this year?

The Wire publish their poll later than the other magazines, Marcelo, when do you vote in The Wire poll?

More to the point what will the ILx album of the year be?

personally as much as i love 'O.P.M.' its just not quite got enough to make me think it deserves any number one spot, tho i'm still not sure what else does so its still highly likely Cassette Boy are gonna get mine by default

Re the orig. question, I shall go out on a limb and predict that a Derek Bailey record gets in The Wire Top 50.

I suggest two categories - single track and multi-track. Single track includes singles obviously and other tracks of merit (since in an MP3 age everything's a potential single). Multi-track includes EPs, LPs, mixes and compilations.

I have another secret gimmick for the poll too :)

The last I read it was coming in November, and now according to blueski it's another delayed to 2003 !

As ILM is not just UK centric, then I reckon blueski - if you want to vote for Ladytron then go ahead !

"Songs for the Deaf" is a lock for Kerrang. How about the Brit awards? Ms Dynamite to do the Mercury and Brits double?

Oh, and ILM's would be won by "Original Pirate Mangetout, Rodders, Mangetout"

Yeah, I know. I'm not saying that unless all your forecasts are 100% accurate, the polls have been proven to be unpredictable . Its just that the whole thing of saying noyhing beforehand, then going "I knew that would happen" afterwards annoys me. And the fact is, specific choices will be picked up on, and labelled "predictable" later. So let's hear some predictions now!

"sorry kilian i am sworn to secrecy"

You're mean!

although i've just been told i have to write 60-word blurbs for four of the albums in the end of year uncut list. by their brevity i assume none of them has won - grrr plot thwarted! no i'm not telling you which ones.

Coldplay win best band and best album

well don't look at me, i didn't vote for it.

btw, re. uncut: streets and wilco are both in the top ten, but number two in the list is an extremely obvious one which no one on this thread has mentioned yet.

The last I read it was coming in November, and now according to blueski it's another delayed to 2003 !

December 2nd I heard.

in particular, think "worthy."

Right then - Number 3... I reckon it has to be either Wilco or Lambchop.

I mean trojan horse. Or maybe talking horse? A record by a talking horse!

dr c, lester & i = leonidas at thermopylae. we are fighting a rearguard action against the wracked, harrowing hordes of nigels and nicks!

nellyville only got 5/10 in nme.

I think so.

"Sidebet on the charidee album, though"

They wouldn't, would they?

I don't believe earlier today i popped into a newsagant - and a new edition of that ghastly Q magazine is on sale - with an essential Top 50 albums of 2002 feature, it's only November 5th!

Things are just getting ridiculous like last year NME did their end of year albums list early December when ever year before it was in the double end of year issue.

I flicked through the Q 50 feature - it's full of NME approved crap. Has anyone noticed that gradually over the past decade Q demographic profile has been lowering (partly due to the introduction of Mojo).

In my late teenage youth I sneered at Q for being an old fogeys music rag (Simon Reynolds - called it Mortgage rock)- you know: Dire Straits/ Clapton/ Phil Collins/ Paul McCartney - music for over 30something dullards with a company car.

..now Q magazine seems to be aimed at the casual 20something and upwards crowd with an interest in traditional song structured (mostly rock) music,

typical Q reader profile:
the only music magazine they read is Q! they look forward to watching Jools Holland Later on TV and reckon that the [tame and bland] daytime playlists of XFm, 6 music and Virgin - is where music is at !, the last CD they bought was the new Badly Drawn Boy yesterday, they reckon Coldplay have made a masterpiece and The Vines, Aqualung and The Coral are the best new bands of 2002, they are going to see David Gray in concert soon and are looking forward to new albums from say Turin Brakes and Starsailor next year, oh and they want new the U2 best of album for Christmas. Does anyone else notice this demographic? do you actually know people like this? Do these people really exist?

I see that Q magazine from reading MediaGuardian.co.uk recently has a new team in charge: editor in chief: Phil Alexander (ex Kerrang) and Paul Rees (ex Kerrang editor) as the new partnership, more yoof and rawk oriented?

One last thing most magazine end of year polls are total crap - they are just stuffed full of the most familiar/ over exposed/ high profile artists that happen to release music that particularly year.

I despise how both Q and NME approach music and what they select as important.

I thought they just picked 50 albums without actually ordering them as such.

that "best of 2002" cd had only ONE woman on it. out of their 50 albums, only four of them even had women playing on them (and that's counting the tuba players from the polyphonic spree)

i wish i didn't notice these things... it makes me sound like a boring old riot grrrlie or something.

what are girls like me supposed to read? i'd read girlie magazines, but they're about boring things like fashion and makeup and have no music. lad magazines at least have stuff about music in them, why do we get left out? so i read muso magazines, and there's no girls. why don't girls read muso magazines? cause they're not represented. chicken or egg, self defeating cycle, etc. etc.

this is bad, cause i only ever buy the music press when i'm in it. i should cease this and just wait for my pr to mail the reviews to me instead of buying the whole mag to be upset by.

top 10 as follows: most people predicted these:

1. Flaming Lips
2. Brucie Springsteen
3. El-P
4. Wilco
5. The Streets
6. Lambchop
7. My Computer
8. Beck
9. Suicide
10.Bowie

Marcello warned us there is far too much dull americana rock/ alt.country

some exceptions:

7. My Computer
9. Suicide
12. Beth Gibbons and Rustin Man.
22. Boards of Canada
24. Radio 4
25. Interpol
26. Doves
30. Rob
36. Ladytron
43. ESG
46. Schneider TM
47. ShelleyDevoto
50. Cornelius
52. Saint Etienne
56. Notwist

7. My Computer
9. Suicide
12. Beth Gibbons and Rustin Man

I see the "influence" of Marcello here, fo' sure. But where is Derek Bailey?

1, 4, 5. I didn't do too badly, did I? Uncut is actually the best poll. It's very much a list of the writers' most listened-to and enjoyed records of the year, whereas the NME and Q forget about all the little records which they've given great reviews to throughout the year, in favour of recs which have had a bigger impact. I liked their films of the year, also. Mullholland Drive, The Royal Tenenbaums and Donnie Darko all in the top 5. Hats off.

"I see the "influence" of Marcello here, fo' sure"

Rob's "Satyred Love" at number 30 also (it got a glowing review from Marcello).

Close behind: Flaming Lips Libertines Polyphonic Spree
NERD

Prediction:
Top 10:The Vines, coldplay, Doves, Queens of the Stone Age, The Streets, the Coral, the Electric Soft Parade, the Datsuns, Boards of Canada, Badly Drawn Boy.

(close behind - the Libertines, Polyphonic Spree, Eminem, The Flaming Lips)

I got 7 out of 10. 10 out of 14, if you count the "close behind" predictions. I conclude: NME is prob the most predictable of the polls.

El-P at #3 in the Uncut list was, heheh, also a partial result of my, uh, "influence" ;-) - reynolds, stubbs, mulvey, andy gill and i all had it either first or second in our lists. doesn't appear at all in the nme list, as far as i can see.

Tom is proven correct. I missed out on BRMC and Interpol, but NME have hardly thrown us a curveball by putting those in. And I'm still the only person who loves Beachwood Sparks!