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sometimes it's really good.

ethan, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

But, lately, it is sometimes not.

Dan I., Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Sometimes all the notes give me a headache. I prefer a dense wall of noise. But there is a happy medium.

Keiko, Friday, 1 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lots is very good. I particularly recommend Louis Prima (for those unfamiliar, the voice of King Louis in The Jungle Book, singing I Wanna Be Like You) in the late-50s when he decided he had to up the energy level to compete with rock 'n' roll.

Martin Skidmore, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I like it smoooooooth. Like butter, or Philadelphia-brand Whipped Cream Cheese.

adam, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Most of it is shit because it's dead.

Julio Desouza, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i like it crazed and manic .

anthony, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't jazz just a bunch of people trying to play stuff that isn't classical music ie trying to play non-western folk harmonies and rhythms and stuff, but not actually realising that and playing western harmonies and rhythms and sometimes, critics even make the mistake of thinking that they look like non-westerners so it mustn't be western music? Why don't people just listen to weird folk music and crazy people and try singing themselves if they want to hear fucked up stuff?

maryann, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lester? Are you back from the dead?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Jazz is certainly not dead. But it can be boring sometimes. And it can be really, really good.

Jordan, Saturday, 2 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

m -- they do because of CLASS.

Sterling Clover, Sunday, 3 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

music - sometimes it's really good.

I think I'm going to start sending him fifths in order to ensure that ILM remains interesting.

matthew m., Saturday, 9 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

This thread is an embarrassment to ILM, and to the memory of Armstrong, Ayler, Coltrane, Monk, Mingus, Sun Ra and to thousands of other artists. Let's end it here class. Tonight's homework: brush up on the basics: see jazz 101 ....very sad.

Bob, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Bob, the concept of 'sarcasm' appears to elude you.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

amd what about the concept of 'heavy drinking', Ned?

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

*hic* How DARE yoush imply that... *collapses*

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Ned...still a sucky thread , sarcasm aside. Like I said, let's end it here. Get off the floor, I buy ya one.

Bob

Bob, Sunday, 10 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

sarcasm? mitch is right, i don't even remember posting this.

ethan, Monday, 11 March 2002 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

six years pass...

I thought that there was a long running jazz thread smehwhere but I can't seem to find it. Anyway I've been listening to jazz now for several years after ignoring it my entire life. I bought Wes Montgomery's Smokin' at the Half Note which is really fantastic and I can't say enough good things about it. The band he plays with, the Wyton Kelly Trio, is also (equally) great but Wynton Kelly only seems to have one album and from the cuts I've heard it's worth getting as well. Maybe some recommendations on some things Wynton has been involved with? Also any jazz stuff you might like post about.

brownie, Friday, 12 December 2008 22:50 (eleven years ago) link

This one with the annoying title (sorry)?--

"If That Arm Heals, It Ought To Be Broken Again" 2008 Jazz D Minor Bags Thread

_Rockist__Scientist_, Friday, 12 December 2008 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

i think he's on hank mobley's soul station, which is one of my all-time faves. there are also some live miles davis records from when he was in the band.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 12 December 2008 22:57 (eleven years ago) link

The band he plays with, the Wyton Kelly Trio, is also (equally) great but Wynton Kelly only seems to have one album and from the cuts I've heard it's worth getting as well. Maybe some recommendations on some things Wynton has been involved with?
― brownie, Friday, December 12, 2008 5:50 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

Miles Davis at the Blackhawk. Seriously.

Also he's on one track of Kind of Blue and either some or all of Someday My Prince Will Come

Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Friday, 12 December 2008 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah, Soul Station is really good.

Indiespace Administratester (Hurting 2), Friday, 12 December 2008 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

Don't forget this thread for some background: What's with that constant cymbal tapping in jazz drumming?

Ruudside Picnic (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 12 December 2008 23:01 (eleven years ago) link

there's a record Wynton Kelly made with Steve Lacy on Status that is pretty good.

ian, Saturday, 13 December 2008 04:57 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

90s sax production sux

yes that means u, branford

it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 11:11 (ten years ago) link

which doesn't mean "Some Cow Fonque" isn't 80x classic, but still

it ain't trickin if yo gotti (The Reverend), Saturday, 24 April 2010 11:13 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

does anyone know of a good blog or site where they might discuss certain bits of jazz music in depth, but maybe in not too academic a way? I'd love to read a breakdown of Lonely Woman or Pharoah's Dance or something, but not assuming I know a great deal about technique and theory?

Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Monday, 20 October 2014 08:59 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

hey can someone help me find the following jazz album: cover is a picture of the artist reading an economics textbook (Samuelson Economics) as the album art? called 'college cool' or something to that effect

flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2015 01:54 (four years ago) link

I don't know what it is, but I'm lolling

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2015 03:14 (four years ago) link

four years pass...

hey flopson i realize this post is from four years ago but i think this might be the album you meant?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rah_(Mark_Murphy_album)

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 November 2019 07:07 (ten months ago) link

Love that album. Hadn’t looked closely at the cover, and never understood the meaning of the title until now, d’oh!

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:16 (ten months ago) link

great genre

ogmor, Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:17 (ten months ago) link

love jazz cats

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 November 2019 18:33 (ten months ago) link

🤗

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 7 November 2019 19:43 (ten months ago) link

count me in as a 'jazz nut'

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 7 November 2019 19:55 (ten months ago) link

Money isn't the only issue musicians have with Jazz At Five: Moran says that event organizers chastised pianist Ben Sidran for criticizing Scott Walker during a performance at the series a few years ago.

I was very confused by this sentence until I realized which Scott Walker they presumably meant.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 November 2019 20:29 (ten months ago) link

The original version of "My Favourite Things" on the session featured hip lyrics, including lines like "Ol' Ernie Wilkins he sure gives you wings", but these new lyrics were deemed inappropriate by composer Richard Rodgers and as a result Riverside Records/Mark Murphy were asked to substitute a 'straight' shorter version of it, but with the same arrangement. Another track left off the original album is "I'll Be Seeing You" for much the same reason.

really want to hear these alt takes

budo jeru, Thursday, 7 November 2019 20:45 (ten months ago) link

The original version of "My Favourite Things" on the session featured hip lyrics, including lines like "Ol' Ernie Wilkins he sure gives you wings", but these new lyrics were deemed inappropriate by composer Richard Rodgers and as a result Riverside Records/Mark Murphy were asked to substitute a 'straight' shorter version of it, but with the same arrangement. Another track left off the original album is "I'll Be Seeing You" for much the same reason.

really want to hear these alt takes

budo jeru, Thursday, 7 November 2019 20:45 (ten months ago) link

love that jazz

marcos, Thursday, 7 November 2019 21:04 (ten months ago) link

great stuff! its like dark jazz but jazzier and not as dark

chips moomin (unregistered), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:37 (ten months ago) link

mile's davis

chips moomin (unregistered), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:38 (ten months ago) link

https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2018/09/08/11/09/jazz-3662296_960_720.png

tylerw, Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:43 (ten months ago) link

sorry but I prefer jass

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 7 November 2019 22:50 (ten months ago) link

when it comes to jass, I love all 5 hots

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 8 November 2019 03:12 (ten months ago) link

👐

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 8 November 2019 13:24 (ten months ago) link

A lot of people say they like jazz, but I appreciate jazz on a much deeper level than most. For example, when listening to jazz I also pay attention to the notes that are NOT being played.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Friday, 8 November 2019 17:38 (ten months ago) link

one thing I like about this thread is the presence of so many jazzbos

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 8 November 2019 18:19 (ten months ago) link

OTM. Once I was talking to a friend of mine about this problem and complimenting him on the sound of one of his recordings and he told "I gave the engineer a Jeff 'Tain' Watts CD," *makes hand gesture to illustrate this transfer* "and told him, make it sound like THAT!"

Spocks on the Run (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:03 (four months ago) link

there is this track on the new Anna Högberg Attack album that is pure golden era Blue Note without being a bad pastiche - it's so good.

calzino, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:09 (four months ago) link

Yeah, if it's the track I'm thinking of, in my review I compared it to Cecil Taylor's Conquistador!, one of the only two albums he made for Blue Note.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 16:14 (four months ago) link

why do i all of the sudden have the urge to listen to jazz all the time

I'm doing this too, maybe it's quarantine related. The "cerebral-ness" gives my brain some pathways to wander while spending time mainly at home.

Album Moods: Rambunctious; Snide (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 18:48 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/ze6NabA.jpg

calstars, Sunday, 21 June 2020 12:11 (three months ago) link

^

mark s, Sunday, 21 June 2020 12:17 (three months ago) link

thirded

Colonel Radle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 June 2020 13:12 (three months ago) link

paul chambers pops up on so many great to absolute classic albums, it's amazing he managed to fit it in during 33 short years on this rock.

calzino, Sunday, 21 June 2020 13:26 (three months ago) link

I've been listening to Bass on Top a lot recently. Dude can PLAY. And Blues and the Abstract Truth is all time. I can't think of another album that swings so hard.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 21 June 2020 13:55 (three months ago) link

Loved Frank Wess.

Colonel Radle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 June 2020 15:57 (three months ago) link

paul chambers pops up on so many great to absolute classic albums, it's amazing he managed to fit it in during 33 short years on this rock.

I had no idea his life was so short. but have always been amazed at how many stunners Dolphy, who only lived 3 years longer, led or contributed to.

Scampo, we hardly knew ye (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 21 June 2020 16:24 (three months ago) link

Great cover on that After Hours disc

calstars, Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:16 (three months ago) link

Chambers is def a top 5 bassist for me. Spent so much of my formative listening years with the Miles Quintet records.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:22 (three months ago) link

There’s a younger guy I saw once who was totally channeling Paul Chambers more than most others. He’s not famous or anything although he has or had a regular gig with someone who is well-known.

Colonel Radle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:44 (three months ago) link

Guy named Aaron James, plays with Gregory Porter.

Colonel Radle (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 21 June 2020 18:45 (three months ago) link

The we three album with chambers, Roy haynes, and phineas newborn is a great trio record

brimstead, Sunday, 21 June 2020 19:13 (three months ago) link

yeah I actually keep forgetting how many great albums he's on.

Is that the one with "ROY!.... HAYNES!"

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 21 June 2020 19:22 (three months ago) link

yeah I actually keep forgetting how many great albums he's on.

Is that the one with "ROY!.... HAYNES!"


If we’re thinking of the same song, that’s “Snap Crackle” from the Haynes-led Out Of The Afternoon record, with Henry Grimes, Rahsaan Roland Kirk, and Tommy Flanagan.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 21 June 2020 21:07 (three months ago) link

What a line-up, will have to check that album.
RH awes on Getz's Focus, arr. by Eddie Sauter:
The theme of the opening track, "I'm Late, I'm Late", is nearly identical to the opening minutes of the second movement of Béla Bartók's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. Bartók had been an early supporter of Sauter, who intended the track as an homage. "I'm Late, I'm Late" also features drummer Roy Haynes, the album's only soloist beside Getz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAyrdlUcZIw

dow, Sunday, 21 June 2020 21:25 (three months ago) link

definitely did not know about the sauter / bartók connection, how strange !

budo jeru, Sunday, 21 June 2020 22:03 (three months ago) link

I think this album cover obv came later to cash in on Cannonball Adderlley's fame, the original as was the want of the music industry at the time had a pic of a pretty white woman on it!

calzino, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:41 (two months ago) link

wow never seen that, what a lineup!

brimstead, Sunday, 28 June 2020 18:14 (two months ago) link

Yeah, this is the front cover on Spotify, Amazon, etc.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71zYKTXo4SL.jpg

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:26 (two months ago) link

Also, the Savoy version is credited to Kenny Clarke, but the one I just posted is credited to Cannonball Adderley.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:27 (two months ago) link

yeah you get a lot of that when certain band members' fame eclipses the band leader and they probably signed a terrible deal with the record company etc

calzino, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:32 (two months ago) link

I may be making this up but I think there are Coltrane records that were originally billed under someone else.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:36 (two months ago) link

Yeah, several albums from the 50s with Coltrane as a sideman were later reissued under his name.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:42 (two months ago) link

Miles was reportedly unhappy about the album's original cover, which featured a photograph of a young white woman and child aboard a sailboat. He made his displeasure known to Columbia executive George Avakian, asking, "Why'd you put that white bitch on there?" Avakian later stated that the question was made in jest. For later releases of the record, however, the original cover-photo has been replaced by a photograph of Miles Davis.

calzino, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:46 (two months ago) link

I may be making this up but I think there are Coltrane records that were originally billed under someone else.


I can’t think of any other examples off the top of my head, but Cecil Taylor’s 1959 Hard Driving Jazz (aka Stereo Drive) was reissued under Trane’s name in 1962 as Coltrane Time:

https://img.discogs.com/1ULNqdoshAGT6CePc-KCUnsXmbY=/fit-in/600x565/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3862474-1347273755-3485.jpeg.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cf/a6/8f/cfa68f3a56078847c69587fda504342a.jpg

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:07 (two months ago) link

Taylor hated that session because he thought Dorham was too conservative, apparently.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 29 June 2020 19:16 (two months ago) link

weird album, interesting but not great, coltrane kind of awkward between two players stubbornly sticking to basically different genres

original cover belongs in the yawnsomely literal thread

they did this with several other 50s coltrane sideman recordings, not fair towards the original leader and often disappointing as coltrane albums

Taylor hated that session because he thought Dorham was too conservative, apparently.


Interesting. I had heard that Cecil had been an admirer of Dorham’s, but that Kenny was a dick to him on the session.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 29 June 2020 21:14 (two months ago) link

I can't remember where I got the anecdote, but my recollection was that Cecil was not allowed to pick the band and felt Dorham wasn't right for the music, and didn't get what he wanted out of it ultimately.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 21:02 (two months ago) link

it's since been reissued in piecemeal, but for a time, the paul chambers mosaic select box was one of the most prized things in my collection. still is, i suppose, but the material is much more available these days. at the time it was first available, it had previously unissued coltrane performances on it; which of course was the big draw - and wild to think that that stuff sat mostly unheard for fourty years! but the rest of it is also predictably excellent.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 23:40 (two months ago) link

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SdVMSbD5L._AC_SY355_.jpg
after reading some serious stanning on Jeanne Lee from Katz I thought I'd check this out, it's amazing.

calzino, Thursday, 2 July 2020 14:52 (two months ago) link

that album rules I need to hear more from her

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/06/11/invitation-jazz-singer-jeanne-lee/

lol i mean Shatz not Katz, but it is a jazz thread!

calzino, Thursday, 2 July 2020 20:15 (two months ago) link

Lol, meant to say 'is amazing'!

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 5 July 2020 21:29 (two months ago) link

I've got just about every Mal Waldron album apart from that, what the hell!

calzino, Sunday, 5 July 2020 21:31 (two months ago) link

thinking about it he would the perfect pianist for her style.

calzino, Sunday, 5 July 2020 21:44 (two months ago) link

He's so understated on this - leaves so much space.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 5 July 2020 21:46 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

smokin weed and listening to jazz

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:02 (three weeks ago) link

watching this specifically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoZnindlI78

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:03 (three weeks ago) link

Smooth

calstars, Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:16 (three weeks ago) link

It was Charlie Parker for most of the day in celebration of his centennial. Dug out that Town Hall concert from 1945 that was rediscovered in the '00s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4q1HEkRal8

birdistheword, Monday, 31 August 2020 00:25 (three weeks ago) link

Archie Shepp's "Four for Trane," which is a masterpiece in my book. How often is a great artist's best LP a tribute album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu0fuR4tSPY

I was looking for this months ago, and while it's out-of-print on its own, I stumbled on to the 5 Original Albums reissue, which is basically Universal Music's budget reissue of five studio albums that Shepp cut for Impulse! They use the 1990s era remasters, but the whole thing's packaged in cheap cardboard sleeves - the paper itself ain't bad, but they really are cheaply done, with no liner notes, errors in the credits, and poor reproductions of the album covers. (And just to be clear, these are indeed legit reissues.) The one for Four for Trane is particularly shitty, with washed out color on a poor crop job of the original that's squished in vertically. Still, the whole package was less than $12 shipped, and the discs themselves are more than fine. I just wish they did a better job of replicating the original LP sleeves - cosmetically this isn't much better than a pirated disc and it's kind of insulting to an artist's legacy when his best work is presented this way. (Shepp is still with us, but maybe he doesn't care.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 3 September 2020 03:44 (two weeks ago) link


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