― Marcello Carlin, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Otis Wheeler, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I know his reputation more than his music -- but based on his two songs
with Ultramarine, he's got a definite something.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Robin Carmody, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnathan, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Momus, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― the pinefox, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ally C, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Otis Wheeler, Monday, 16 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
And the brilliant tracks include - yes - some political
ones. "Alliance" for instance is reductionist and I don't agree with
it (or more to the point I don't care about the actual political
situation being described) BUT as a portrait of political
disillusionment and betrayal it's superb and like a lot of great
political songs it's a disappointed love song too - "It's hard to
talk to enemies / And we are enemies / What we had in common / Makes
it even worse".
Also m'lud take into account: "At Last I Am
Free", "Shipbuilding", "Born Again Cretin", "Arauco", "Kingdom" and a
large chunk of "Shleep" too.
― Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
I would hardly rank him in the same league as Simon and Garfunkel; I
haven't heard anything on Soft Machine 3 or greater, but it can't be
as staggeringly annoying as "Cecilia". Uff da.
― Jacob Anderson, Wednesday, 18 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― duane zarakov, Thursday, 19 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark s, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― d.z., Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link
see also "dondestan revisited"
― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 5 July 2003 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 5 July 2003 06:43 (sixteen years ago) link
shleep is a beautiful record and the first I discovered; both rock bottom and ruth hit my cd player regularly. I liked Old Rottenhat as well, which means I like pretty much everything I've heard by him, which I suppose means I'm a fan and therefore think: classic.
― anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Saturday, 5 July 2003 07:39 (sixteen years ago) link
'old rottenhat' close behind. prefer the original mix of 'dondestan' over the polished 'revisited' one by ten miles.
― jl, Saturday, 5 July 2003 07:50 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 5 July 2003 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 5 July 2003 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
― JasonD (JasonD), Saturday, 5 July 2003 19:07 (sixteen years ago) link
The recent live Matching Mole discs on Cuneiform are pretty shit-hot too.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 5 July 2003 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
i like everything he's done, even "a short break" and "the end of an ear" (which i listen to with some difficulty). his voice is indeed the unifying factor and it is so inviting, his wordless vocalizing in particular. apparently he can *sing* entire coltrane solos from memory.
i can't quite get into some of the matching mole stuff but "o caroline" is one of the greatest things he's done. manages to be self-effacing and utterly serious at once.
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 6 July 2003 03:06 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 6 July 2003 03:07 (sixteen years ago) link
What a fucking wonderful country, right?
What a disgusting legacy. FUCK the United States of America.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 6 July 2003 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link
jara's songs are lovely b/c they take the road not (often) taken w/r/t political songs, where a story about people living their daily lives, things like love and sex and children and school and so on, connect to politics in these suggestive but nonetheless clear ways. as wonderful as wyatt's reading of "te recuerdo amanda" is, jara's is heartbreaking. i shouldn't even bother to attempt to apply any superlatives to it.
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 6 July 2003 03:40 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm like, at a loss for words whenever discourse centers on the ridiculousness of this place.
Anyway, yes Amateurist you are your normal smart, sensible self. Still, frankly, I can't dismiss people who have politics opposite to my own. Gosh, I'd like to think we all do.
Darnit, this world is fucked, but for Christ's sake some of us pine for the alternatives...
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 6 July 2003 04:35 (sixteen years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 6 July 2003 04:37 (sixteen years ago) link
this is a nice thread. there was a doc on robert wyatt abt a couple of months back on BBC4 and he came across as a wonderful person. I've heard some soft machine and i sort of struggle with it for some reason but I like his voice so i should check solo stuff.
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 July 2003 08:06 (sixteen years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Sunday, 6 July 2003 08:46 (sixteen years ago) link
and soft machine doesn't even compare to his solo stuff. it's slow, moody, post-prog political love songs. and his keyboard tones are so warm and thick.
― JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 6 July 2003 08:50 (sixteen years ago) link
i keep passing up this one single of his. it's him and a bunch of south african musicians. anyone know anything about it?
― JasonD (JasonD), Sunday, 6 July 2003 08:53 (sixteen years ago) link
He was closely identified with the Popular Unity movement of Salvador Allende. After Pinochet's coup which toppled Allende, Jara was arrested, tortured, and later killed (along with 1000s of other Chileans).
His stuff probably shouldn't be too hard to find in any Hispanic music store (I'm not sure where you're at, but there's a million such places in Chicago), and on eBay you can sometimes find the remastered CDs from his catalog that came out in Chile last year.
Anyway we're talking about him because Wyatt recorded one of his most famous (and beautiful) songs, "Te Recuerdo Amanda" ("I remember Amanada").
― amateurist (amateurist), Sunday, 6 July 2003 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 6 July 2003 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Anyway, Jason - yeah I believe I paid something like $30 or $35 for EPs as well. Too much, but as I say I had to have it (maybe it isn't too much, i dunno; I don't know what it went for new, but it seemed like a lot to me). It's just a really beautiful package, a nice thing to have on the shelf, you know? Yeah that Animals soundtrack is unsettling, and I've never even seen the film.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 July 2003 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link
I think it would give me nightmares.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 7 July 2003 04:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Also he was on one of the best singles ever, Vivien Goldmans Launderette / private armies record
― Jens (brighter), Monday, 7 July 2003 07:02 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 7 July 2003 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link
― j fail (cenotaph), Monday, 7 July 2003 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Since when was Robert Wyatt ever a "Stalinist"? What, because he sang "Stalin Wasn't Stallin'"? Do some research before accusing people of being Stalinists.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, what exactly does that mean? Wyatt was a member of the British Communist Party, he was a Marxist, he was not a Stalinist.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:12 (sixteen years ago) link
― amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:30 (sixteen years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 9 July 2003 14:40 (sixteen years ago) link
There are Gong threads.
― nickn, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 00:23 (two years ago) link
Another Mantler: MANY HAVE NO SPEECH WATT/19
words by Samuel Beckett Ernst Meister Philippe Soupault
Jack Bruce (voice) Marianne Faithfull (voice) Robert Wyatt (voice)
Michael Mantler (trumpet) Rick Fenn (guitar)
The Danish Radio Concert Orchestra conducted by Peder Kragerup
recorded May through December 1987 Copenhagen, London, Boston, Willow, NY 27 songs in 34 minutes: no sense of fragmentation, maybe in because I'm not following the words very closely, but on his site Mantler says they were chosen to fit together in several ways, and sonically they ripple back and forth (while somehow pushing on), between three languages and at least five voices, if you count the trumpet and guitar (singing behind/around the humans, never in the way), sixth is the orchestra far as I'm concerned, though it's never breathing too heavy.
Thread police may get me, because humans are heard pretty much in the order of their billing, I think, though some of these songs are just a few seconds long, and all three sound more flexible than expected.
But, for instance, "A L'Abattoir" will def make my personal travelling mix of RW, ditto "Prisonniers," which is either Wyatt and Bruce or Wyatt and Faithfull, or (more likely) Wyatt and Wyatt in different registers, maybe singing to each other through the wall (not too loud).
Pretty sure I would have liked all of this on first listen with no idea who did it.
― dow, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 04:31 (two years ago) link
"ILM Threads that need a NO CAUSE FOR ALARM warning when they are revived"
― mahb, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 08:33 (two years ago) link
The Hapless Child is pretty awesome and sui generis though i have kind of sited it in my head next to Art Bears
― cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 22 May 2018 14:59 (two years ago) link
xp yes, seriously
most of my love for Hapless Child is cuz of Gorey, it's a bit too fussy and prog for me but it's a very cool record regardless and essential for even semi-completists
― sleeve, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:10 (two years ago) link
― mahb, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 08:33 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Arr, but then again, I think our Rob would go straight to a dedicated RWRIP thread if there ever was one.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 15:27 (two years ago) link
Really feeling The Hapless Child. Carla is a superstar on this.
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:33 (two years ago) link
Mantler's The School of Understanding (recorded in 1996) mainly features Wyatt on "Understanding," where he's the Guest Observer, riding into a language school on what might be a baby elephant or lofty llama, but is listed as Don Preston's syndrums, which I'd thought only made little pooty sounds, so even more education. Too baToo bad Wyatt and the syndrums only come in once, but the whole thing's pretty listenable; I especially like when other voices address the refugee student. Woman: "You are a victim, you have suffered so much---you must go." A guy: "What you have suffered is inconceivable." Meanwhile, Alien Girl remembers: "Don't think about it, go to work..it's a long walk through the war, bits and pieces." (Mantler wrote all the words for once, so far turning out at least as well as settings for his literary heroes.)
Digital drums appear once on Mantler's 2000 settings of Paul Auster's words,Hide and Seek (though tuned percussion brings constant and welcome companionship to co-stars RW and Susi Hyldgaard, compatible with Wyatt's own turns on xpost Silence---come to think of it, Preston's syndrums fit the feel of Wyatt's real kit of yore. This anomalous sound may be what's alarming the couple---he: "Have you, no-oh-ticed---?" she: "Yes! Yes! Yes!" "Have you any ideas?" "Yes, I'm going to scream." "When are you going to do it?" "Right Now!"That's when the whole thing bumps up the word interest, which had previously been mostly Deep Thought mulch for granular melody and rhythm, vocal and instrumental. The final stretch develops circular and spiraling conversations (briefly) from repeated phrases---he: "I don't denyyy..." she: "What?" "Anything." "That's very clever of you." "I'm glad we agree." together/overlapping "I'm glad you're glad." Ho-ho well it sounds good, and yeah several more keepers for the deep fan mix.
― dow, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:03 (two years ago) link
So this popped up as a new release today.
― sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 23 March 2019 01:28 (one year ago) link
Audience Recording of the North Sea Radio Orchestra show with John Greaves and Annie Barbazza and Fred Frith as special guests At Cafe Oto 27 June 2019, presenting the Dark Companion album FOLLY BOLOLEY - Songs from Robert Wyatt's Rock Bottom. (plus other songs)
― nickn, Friday, 5 July 2019 22:10 (ten months ago) link
Oh well, search for Folly Bololey At Cafe Oto 27 June 2019
― nickn, Friday, 5 July 2019 22:11 (ten months ago) link
i'm not usually into these kinda things but this is really good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CS1SPrwOv4
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 8 July 2019 19:53 (ten months ago) link
live recording is great too. thanks for sharing
there is some slanderous bullshit at the beginning of this thread
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 July 2019 20:53 (ten months ago) link
― sleeve, Monday, 8 July 2019 20:57 (ten months ago) link
"I've heard very little of Wyatt's music thus far, but....................."
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 09:46 (ten months ago) link
This is NOT a Covid-19 Revive. He's fine, far as I know (no news is good enough news, esp. these days).
Just came here to say that I have finally listened to 2013 Cuneiform release '68.Track list and personnel from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%2768_(album)#Personnel
All tracks are written by Robert Wyatt, except where noted.
No. Title Length1. "Chelsa" (Kevin Ayers, Wyatt) 5:002. "Rivmic Melodies" 18:193. "Slow Walkin' Talk" (Brian Hopper) 3:024. "Moon in June" 20:36PersonnelRobert Wyatt – vocals, piano, electric piano, Hammond organ, bass guitar, drums, percussionJimi Hendrix – bass guitar (track 3)Hugh Hopper – bass guitar (track 4)Mike Ratledge – Lowrey organ (track 4)
excerpts, incl. useful background breakdown fromhttps://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/68:
"The missing links in my life's work, no less!" – Robert Wyatt
"Cuneiform has delivered a Holy Grail with Robert Wyatt's '68 ... The sound on '68 is excellent; it was painstakingly cleaned up and remastered from original sources, making this a must for any Wyatt, Soft Machine, or prog head. The booklet also contains a lengthy interview with Wyatt by Aymeric Leroy with comments from Hopper. All killer, no filler." – Thom Jurek/All Music Guide
,,,,In September, 1968, the Soft Machine had just finished their second, exhaustive tour of the USA supporting the Jimi Hendrix Experience. At the conclusion of the tour, vocalist/drummer/multi-instrumentalist Robert stayed, working on recordings in Hollywood and New York City. Upon Robert's return to England to re-start the Soft Machine in December, 1968, these documents lay forgotten. Two of them were eventually found and issued, but half of these recordings were unreleased and thought lost forever...
Now, for the first time, all four of the recordings Robert made in '68 are collected together and released, all carefully worked on and presented in the best possible sound quality – and the recorded sound here is surprisingly excellent overall!
This release is fully authorized by Robert and the liners include an in-depth interview with Robert about his recollections of this period, with insights into his songwriting process, recording procedures and previously untold anecdotes of this period of his work and life.
There are four tracks. Two of the demos are shorter songs. Of these, one of them was a track Robert used to play with the Wilde Flowers, Brian Hopper's Slow Walkin' Talk, while the other features music that would later be re-worked by Robert and appear on the 1st album by Matching Mole!
The bulk of the material - the two long suites - were later re-recorded by the Soft Machine; Rivmic Melodies later became the basis of side one on Volume II (1969) and Moon In June showed up as Robert's showcase on Third (1970). The two side-long epics are particularly worth noting how they present, even in this very early stage of his career, Wyatt's seamless integration of song fragments and instrumental passages within a unified whole, his stream-of-consciousness, often self-referential lyrics interspersed with witty asides (soon to become a defining characteristic of the 'Canterbury scene'), matched by Wyatt's equally idiosyncratic singing.These tracks serve as a template for the post-psychedelic Soft Machine's career as founders of European jazz/rock and the entire release is a precursor to Robert's post-band, solo career...
― dow, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:11 (three weeks ago) link
... oh fuck, don't do that to me, I thought we'd lost another one!
― Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:18 (three weeks ago) link
― calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:21 (three weeks ago) link
I know! It's unavoidable, but I had to revive, sorry!The whole album is streamable on that bandcamp page.I haven't yet done any comparative listening, but Jimi sounds great, ditto guest Softs, and this pulled all of them and me right along through recombinant artpoprock mosaic momentum, breadcrumbs of sound and vision and life lived jumping out often enough: "She's learning to hate, but it's already too late, for meeee," she's pulling him along too.(Isn't there some guitar in this "Moon In June," or is that something from the keys?)
― dow, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:22 (three weeks ago) link
lol same fear here
thanks for the writeup, that one's on my list to get but it's a long list.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:26 (three weeks ago) link
Now for all the streamable tracks from Cuneiform's live Matching Mole and Wyatt-era Soft Machine finds on bandcamp. I may be some tyme.
― dow, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 20:36 (three weeks ago) link
starting with live 1967 Soft Machine set:https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/middle-earth-masters Notes:Sample tracks are satisfying and tantalizing, in equal measure. Start with subset of mellow urgency, incl. wages of pleasure: boy sends the invite, but doesn't get the memo: "She pulled out a gun, screaming 'You're Dreaming," but wouldn't it be nice---closer to Velvets than Floyd w such lyrics, Ayers' rhythm guitar & bass, the subtle, prismatic pressure of Ratledge's sunshine sustain---RW mainly offering otminimal harmonies and drums---until he rakes his tonsils across the top of "Hope For Happiness," raw as Ayers' guitar was on "Bossa Nova Express," and now Ratledge leads the splay though free postboogie, differently-morphous: not dated atall, but, at 13:19, maybe a little too much of a good thing, at least for my more Wyattcentric purposes---oh but then "You Really Got Me"---I mean, "We Did It Again"---lopes and crackles right along for 5:48, perfect.
― dow, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 22:07 (three weeks ago) link
Who is this Otis Wheeler at the start of the thread with his wrong & badly expressed opinions? It's probably a good thing I wasn't on ILX in 2001 as I just know I would have been furious with various posters.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 22:28 (three weeks ago) link
old ILM was wrong about nearly everything, I blame the UK Livejournal crew mostly
― sleeve, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 22:30 (three weeks ago) link
Phew! Total panic there for a moment.
― stirmonster, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 22:38 (three weeks ago) link
I knew that was gonna happen, so sorry!xxxpost, speaking of crackling, just now I thought a tree was starting to fall across the driveway---windy as hell out there today---but then it sounded like Wyatt doing something with sticks---also right up by my ears (I'm wearing 'phones): just some of the fun with stereo on "Spaced One," from a bunch of manipulated instrumentals used for a multi-media show:https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/spaced...recorded in early/mid 1969 by the "classic" Soft Machine trio line-up of Hugh Hopper [bass], Mike Ratledge [electric piano/organ] and Robert Wyatt [drums]..These recordings feature the band at their most radical, and while they would never again use the studio in such an extreme fashion, the work done here definitely influenced later works such as Third and Hugh's 1984.That opener is by far the longest, and other than little sticks and pokes, mostly organ drone with less bass bobbing. "Spaced Two" starts like a para-proto-Can-Velvets groove: just a little keyboard ripple with kickdrum and closed high-hat maybe, oh it's a loop, and here's another, 'bout to drip from the ceiling, but layers quickly accrue, with maybe realtime variants, or more illusions (Eno says the mind seeks out variety in sameness), then, almost 5 minutes in, several things go backwards, some of them creating an anxious, courteous,persistent pitch, an old butler, drumstick slicing way behind him---nice, one for the Beatles fans.(Spaced Three: carousel melting backwards in Sgt. Pepper Park, but don't hear Wyatt so fuck it--except points for being shortest track.)Spaced Six: Awright! Keys, bass, full drum kit wheeling around, greeted by glitch riffs---RW providing solos/bursts as accompaniment to/as negative space and vice versa (accompaniment to/as himself? Might as well). Chopping blocks and going Latin for a second, tapes abused and done. This is the RWrelevant keeper for relatively rational cherrypicking, but I might possibly buy the whole thing (DAMMIT)
― dow, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 23:10 (three weeks ago) link
some soft machine ephemera using the spaced material: beyond image from the people responsible for their light show at that time
― no lime tangier, Thursday, 7 May 2020 04:54 (three weeks ago) link
This was mentioned briefly on last year's rolling jazz thread and it's brilliant; best thing I heard in 2019: Hütte & Guests Play the Music of Robert Wyatt https://whyplayjazz.bandcamp.com/album/h-tte-guests-play-the-music-of-robert-wyatt
― fetter, Thursday, 7 May 2020 06:50 (three weeks ago) link
Thanks! Totally missed that on RJ 2019.Soft Machine's Backwards starts with the quartet live in May 1970: 18 minutes, 39 seconds, none wasted, jumps right into 7:38 "Moon in June," jumps right into septet "Facelift," from Nov. '69: 8:36, which, with the following (non-freebie-sample)4:05 "Hibou Anemone and Bear," is, along with 20 minutes on the BBC, all the septet recordings, or so the notes here say. All of this is sharp, interlocking, flexible parts, with Wyatt rattling and chopping right through the middle, always responsively. Also 'preciate Hopper's fuzz bass and guitar appeal of Ratledge's keys at times.Ends with Wyatt's xpost '68 "Moon In June" demo + '69 splice.https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/backwards
― dow, Friday, 8 May 2020 18:15 (three weeks ago) link
[Noisette is the third in our Soft Machine series, recorded January 4th, 1970 at the same concert as "Facelift" on Third, by the short-lived quintet formation of the group: Elton Dean & Lyn Dobson-reeds, Hugh Hopper-bass, Mike Ratledge-keyboards & Robert Wyatt-drums & vocals. Noisette features the rest of the concert, & showcases a band in transition from their earlier psychedelic/ progressive sound towards the jazz rock sound of Third & Fourth. It features the quintet performing versions of material from their 1st two albums as well as material not available on their studio albums. Mastered directly off of the 30 year old 15ips master tapes, this release boasts superb live sound for the time period.
Well there's some haze, or gauze, but the instruments quickly push through and find enough room for definition. Ratledge's intro is pretty and brief, then he and Wyatt pitch right in, bass is amiably full, reeds squawk and peck at the edges of other sounds, not too much, just keeping 'em on their toes--was thinking reeds were getting thinner than nec., then Hopper belches a bit of fuzz, returning the "look alive!" favor. Later a bit of flute, later still saxes scurry up the Ratledge lattice, suggesting a parody of guitar sounds sometimes--title track is 37 seconds, not one wasted, whole thing seeming like a suite, then finale--finally, one with Robert vocals! It has all these little sections, players bursting through the walls, just as the whole set has these little quick jumps at the end of each song. Sections are what some people haaate about prog, but these are entertaining enough to justify their existence, incl. coexistence.Only thing: Even though this still sounds sharp, fresh, it's most noteworthy for those qualities, rather than heights and depths of the jazzing--the rocking rocks on, w/o getting corny, smartly melding to the jazz--=and I do miss the voice sometimes on pre-finale workouts, despite the (never-abused) roominess for his drumming, and will once again be glad for him to move on to greener pastures, options-wise. But before that, will continue with these fun Soft Machine sample tracks. This page has 6 out of album's 10:https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/noisette
― dow, Monday, 11 May 2020 21:00 (two weeks ago) link
Grides presents the most famous version of the band (Elton Dean, Hugh Hopper, Mike Ratledge, Robert Wyatt) recorded live at the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam on October 25, 1970, in a high-quality, previously unreleased recording, just a few months after the release of Third and at the peak of their popularity. It showcases them in transition between releases, with the band performing 3 of the four works from Third, as well as some of the earliest recordings of material from the upcomming Fourth, including some very different arrangements to what would eventually end up on that release. Especially in contrast to Noisette, the instruments jump right out, and stay comfortably close to my ears on headphones. finally, I can really hear what Hopper's doing all through the set"some steady twists and turns, like bass balloon sculpture---but he's not trying to be Jaco or Stanley--also, just the right, concentrated doses of fuzz, other distortion--ditto Ratledge, who plays mostly mid- and lower-range, full, warm, but yowly when excited; Wyatt's more spare than previous sets in this series, mainly punctuating, cueing, also stirring and chopping noodles when nec. (not that often). Dean's bundling of acrid shards provides effective contrast with meatitudes of others, but I don't miss him when he's not playing.Sometimes this seems more relaxed than prev. shows in the series, and "Esther's Nose Job" goes on a little too long, though good ending, and we get a reprise of my favorite tune here, if you can call it that, the slightly spooky "Slightly All The Time," this time with a burst of "Noisette."Bandcamp page lets us hear about half the tracks; I'll prob buy it and do some cherrypicking, as with most of these sets.https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/grides
― dow, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:16 (two weeks ago) link
CD edition of Grides incl. DVD of 3.23.71 quartet set at Radio Bremen, which can also be had as a sep. (audio-only) digital album, for 5 bucks. Good idea: it's a 20:17 fistful of well-recorded balloon farm heat and cool networking, like the earlier Grides show, but fitting my attention span better. (Dean even melds with the others, without losing his skronk.) Most exciting passage: Wyatt's voice does something I've never heard before, like layers of duck or geese quavering in strict tempo---rows at a shooting gallery, with a distracting effect---?Whole thing's here, apparently:Set-list:- Neo-Caliban Grides
- Robert Wyatt's Vocal Improvisation
- Eamonn Andrews
- All Whitehttps://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-radio-bremen-march-23-1971-from-grides-dvd
― dow, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:57 (two weeks ago) link
(And can even hear Wyatt's kick-drum[?] and toms here, sometimes.)
― dow, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 17:59 (two weeks ago) link
The previously unreleased show captured on Virtually, recorded March 23, 1971, presents the classic quartet Softs during their final European tour & just 4 months before their dissolution...versions of all the tracks from Fourth, most of Third and much more...special note must be made of Robert's drumming, as he plays with more gusto on this show than most from this period. Right at the beginning, as they jump into "Teeth," his interplay with the keys is right up front: dual lead lines, even though (except for the bass, which is always played and recorded splendidly here), the overall sound quality of this track isn't quite up to the rest---though it sure is on the next one, the title song, and most of the rest.But the sound is also too good to listen around Dean as much as I'd like; he and the prev. reliable Ratledge and too many tracks get tiresome, despite the rhythm section's best efforts, and abrupt cut-offs (obvious edits, not realtime-sounding jumps, like on some previous sets in this series).Of these six sample tracks, out of ten on the album, think I'll prob just get "Virtually"---should listen to the whole thing somewhere else maybe, but suspect I'm getting tired of this whole approach/that it was time for RW to move on. I'm ready for Cuneiform's live Matching Mole sets.https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/virtually
― dow, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:51 (two weeks ago) link
there's an FB group for him and a few neighbors and friends of his post there regularly. someone walked by his house yesterday and waved to him, he was on the porch.
― akm, Thursday, 14 May 2020 03:34 (two weeks ago) link
He’s still doing stuff albeit officially retired. He curated an hour of music for a new online Palestinian radio station a few days ago.
― Jeff W, Thursday, 14 May 2020 08:14 (two weeks ago) link
He and Alfie also have a book coming out in September - lyrics and drawings I think
― Jeff W, Thursday, 14 May 2020 08:15 (two weeks ago) link
Actually a Hopper song, but this thread is more active so I'll put it here. Weyes Blood did a nice cover of "A Certain Kind" a few years ago.
― nickn, Thursday, 14 May 2020 23:16 (two weeks ago) link
Oh Well, it's searchable.
― nickn, Thursday, 14 May 2020 23:17 (two weeks ago) link
Posting vids works better for me via Firefox, not the private window, just the basiic. Anyway, found it from your link, sounds good, thanks! Soft Machine Vol One version on same page. Thanks also to akim and Jeff W for updates, sure wish I could walk by his house and wave, oh well will check the book. I need to check more Hopper; I mainly know him from Wilde Flowers, Soft Machine, and the Material cover of "Memories." Where should I start with his other bands? Also, is there a book that covers the Canterbury crew from early to fairly recent years?
― dow, Friday, 15 May 2020 04:56 (two weeks ago) link
When I was compiling early Canterbury stuff, this was the main source for the really early years, like pre-65.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canterburied_Sounds,_Vol._1%E2%80%934It's an odd grab-bag of stuff, some of it not very good at all, still worth a listen though.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 May 2020 06:43 (two weeks ago) link
The Hopper and Elton Dean albums are good. I also like the one he did with Caveman Shoestore, calling themselves Caveman Hughscore.
― nickn, Sunday, 17 May 2020 18:05 (one week ago) link
man I tried again with that one recently after owning it for many years, and altho there are some real high points I just cannot hang with the main Caveman guy's stream-of-consciousness lyrics
― sleeve, Sunday, 17 May 2020 18:16 (one week ago) link
Yeah, it's an acquired taste. I appreciate the music over the lyrics. As a progger from way back I've learned to tune out silly lyrics.
― nickn, Sunday, 17 May 2020 18:25 (one week ago) link
Smoke Signals compiles all previously unreleased performances - selected & sequenced by Robert Wyatt biographer Mike King - from the band's most intense gigging period. The set list is mostly drawn from Little Red Record, but the way the band performed the pieces live is quite different from the heavily overdubbed versions found on the studio disc. Yeah, Matching Mole is Jack B. Nimble here--gotta be, or Wyatt might roll right over the others. No busywork in the v. compatible bandcamp sample tracks though: put of 10, we get "Smoke Rings" (double bass with a pickup, and sometimes a bow??), "Brandy as in Benjii" (after Benjii the dog movie star?), "March Ides II," (my fave), and "Smoke Signal," which has good thick fuzzy drones--guitar, bass, both?---and liquid electric piano floating in a glass---thee good jazz rock, or jazzy rock, before fusion got so complicated. Refreshing! Guess I did binge on Soft Machine. No vocals in this foursome, alas.https://cuneiformrecords.bandcamp.com/album/smoke-signals
― dow, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:34 (one week ago) link
Wii have to try Canterburied Sounds, thanks!
― dow, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:39 (one week ago) link
personally for me his peak period is the stuff he put out in the late '70s - "hopper tunity box", "monster band", and "two rainbows daily" with alan gowen. "two rainbows daily" in particular is just spectacular, a really underheard gem.
for later stuff i very much enjoy the "soft mountain" release, a record with hopper and elton dean that's very much in the spirit of the fourth soft machine record, with hoppy kamiyama and tatsuya yoshida on keys and drums.
i wasn't at all a fan of "1984", which i remember as just being these strange tape loops without much in the way of melody. i might like it more today if i gave it another listen.
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:49 (one week ago) link
I cannot imagine Tatsuya Yoshida playing anything like Soft Machine 4
― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 01:51 (one week ago) link
sorry, fifth - there's definitely more phil howard than robert wyatt in his playing!
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 02:20 (one week ago) link