xp Terribly written piece, desperately straining for a “critique” and misrepresenting basic plot points to do it.
― morrisp
truly, Trolls World Tour demands more thoughtful and incisive social commentary than this piece delivers
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
It doesn’t, but if someone’s going for that they should do it better.
― morrisp, Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:52 (four years ago) link
Caramanica did a piece on this for NYT, of course
Now that there's an entire Trolls movie about rockism and poptimism maybe we can finally be done ever using those words or concepts again
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 16 April 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link
+1 to that
― morrisp, Thursday, 16 April 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
people are writing about poptimism and rockism, in this economy??????
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 April 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
Aimee Mann:
By 1990, everything on the radio was starting to be Whitney Houston, Taylor Dayne, Tina Turner—it was very pop. Then Michael Penn comes out with this Beatles-esque, melodic song, but still with a little bit of a big snare drum sound. I was like, “Finally, somebody broke through with an actual song.”
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:23 (three years ago) link
A poptimist would have married Taylor Dayne.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
The 1975’s Brits nomination proves great pop isn’t always drowned out by mindless gym music
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 12:48 (one year ago) link
lol amazing
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link
While making the album, The 1975 sought to capture the pure essence of their band – to simply “play it and record it,” as Healy told the New York Times last year. “Any kid can make a bedroom thing that sounds crazy,” he said. “What you can’t do is have been in a band for 20 years and be great players and go into a room and have that freedom.” The resulting album makes you feel as if you were in the room with the band as they recorded it.
Wow irl Aging rock act on new album: This time we wanted to go back to the basics guys in a room
― Auf Der Martini (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link
If you're not listening to the 1975, you're probably at the gym
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:11 (one year ago) link
Have they really been together for 20 years?
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link
Sounds like rockism is her weapon of choice for generation warfare. At the same time wishing for music that unites everyone by soundtracking our lives like Elton John.
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link
I'm a rockist man
Burning out his fuse up here alone
― Auf Der Martini (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:21 (one year ago) link
the opossite of thinking pop music with dubious quality (taylor swift, beyonce, the weekend, drake...) is relevant: the opposite of rockism... and both wrong
― CerebralCaustic, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:43 (one year ago) link
i miss the days when all new posters like this were considered to be a sock
― imago, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:00 (one year ago) link
sockism
― imago, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link
lol
― Auf Der Martini (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:14 (one year ago) link
it's more fun if you call them shit instead of not relevant - you'd be half wrong but have some courage in your own subjectivity
what's the rockism of appeals-to-relevance? it's a real thing and you can do it for or against rock or pop or whatever
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 14:49 (one year ago) link
It’s a far cry from previous decades, when artists like Elton John, Kate Bush and Phil Collins – who made music about grown-up concerns, which could be enjoyed by teens alike – soundtracked our lives. (It’s no surprise that this is the current state of pop in a country whose music industry is, according to the charts, propped up by a holy trinity of po-faced men: Ed Sheeran, George Ezra and Lewis Capaldi.)
I like Phil Collins but also it's very funny to use Phil Collins as an example here (and surely Phil is at least as po-faced as Sheeran, Ezra and Capaldi?)
― soref, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:23 (one year ago) link
I want someone to write a take on rockism that explains how Phil Collins and Steely Dan were the two uncoolest things imaginable to rockist gen x-ers but are both loved by rockist millenials. I have no idea what zoomers think of them, if anything
― soref, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:27 (one year ago) link
the early definitions on this thread are interesting in how diverse they are. what I'm getting is that rockism is a lot like fascism in how syncretic and incoherent it is and how many different guises can wear. someone could write a thing on ur-rockism like umberto eco did for fascism
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 15:38 (one year ago) link
"We wanted go back to the sound of just four guys in a gym."
― INDEPENDENTS DAY BY STEVEN SPILBERG (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:13 (one year ago) link
i prefer 'whinerism'
― CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 9 February 2023 00:02 (one year ago) link
Why don't we ask Freddie deBoer
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 February 2023 00:03 (one year ago) link
runner up: crypto-poptimists & crypto-rockists
― CerebralCaustic, Thursday, 9 February 2023 00:06 (one year ago) link
Kelefa Sanneh, Robert Christgau, and Douglas Wolk are the sages quoted in this. 2024 rockism style. the battle never ends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c7Boc2CPMg
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 16:50 (two weeks ago) link
Intergenerational!
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:30 (two weeks ago) link
i will never watch one of that person's videos, not sure if that makes me pro or anti rockism
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:48 (two weeks ago) link
idk this person + they just said, "it's almost like the more critical your opinion is, the more valid it is" and i like that they're calling this out, especially in re:"flops." he isn't making this point outright, but my conclusion to be drawn from his points is that "rockism" is kind of anti-appreciation, unless a very strict set of arbitrary and ill-defined rules are in place. i like that being called out.
otherwise, good video. brings up relevant new examples to support the old anti-rockism tropes.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:53 (two weeks ago) link
it sucks people can’t write stuff down instead of requiring people to stare at their face while they talk at them
― brimstead, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:59 (two weeks ago) link
that guy is okay. i actually enjoy his genre videos. he does good quick histories of things and he brings up examples that you wouldn't expect him to bring up. he makes good connections. he's more of a metal/punk person.
― scott seward, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:12 (two weeks ago) link
He was less cringe inducing than most Talking to the camera guys
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:18 (two weeks ago) link
it sucks people can’t write stuff down instead of requiring people to stare at their face while they talk at them― brimstead, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:59 (forty-two minutes ago) link
― brimstead, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 17:59 (forty-two minutes ago) link
taking an online course right now and the prof loves making videos and barely types anything up, there are times where i have to scroll through a 17-minute video to discover a class policy that would take me 10 seconds at most to find on a legit syllabus
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:45 (two weeks ago) link
unrelated to rockism i suppose but i also wish people wrote things down instead of making videos
― intheblanks, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:46 (two weeks ago) link
We’re entering the post-literate society
― Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:48 (two weeks ago) link
Writism
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:49 (two weeks ago) link
Writing is the rockism of human comm
― Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:49 (two weeks ago) link
One guy in a room with a typewriter
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 18:51 (two weeks ago) link
So where's the thread for complaining abt video (audio to tbh) as preferred mode of communication? Ours is undoubtedly a civilisation in decline
Images of text too... What is the fucking deal? I get meme templates, at least I know where they originated, but wtf is up with images of small chunks of horribly formatted text?
― corrs unplugged, Tuesday, 21 May 2024 19:50 (two weeks ago) link
hot medium/cool medium iirc
― A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2024 19:53 (two weeks ago) link
i just heard about civilization in decline on a vid by plato, why do new school kids need to have one name all the time
― well below the otm mendoza line (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 22 May 2024 01:27 (two weeks ago) link
we do have this fwiw
Music Criticism in Video Form
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 02:27 (two weeks ago) link
ah yeah forgot about that one.
― scott seward, Wednesday, 22 May 2024 02:27 (two weeks ago) link
hey scott, thx again for posting this video. i don't love our friend overall, but there's a sentiment he's getting at here that really stuck with me...
re:being extra critical or having a set of arbitrary and ill-defined rules that things have to adhere to in order for the rockist to give it a fair listen... that's so real ime. some people don't even know much about technical aspects of music, but will still have these staunch rules of engagement before a band/artist even gets taken seriously.
(honestly, how do you not have the ability to distinguish between major/minor tonality and yet still want me to take your opinion on "songwriting" seriously? not saying everyone has to be a scholar, but at least don't be ignorant. strawman here maybe, but c'mon)
it seems like some of those folks are listening to music for the sole purpose of taking it down critically. why even bother, do they even enjoy music to begin with? it's sad/annoying/scary when it's not even traditional "rock" fans who do it and start applying those rockist attitudes to non-white, non-establishment music.
that video really illuminated this with a lot of impact.
― interstellar anthropologist+music philosopher, (Austin), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:13 (two days ago) link