Music Criticism in Video Form

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We've talked about this guy in other threads, but he and those who follow a similar path of doing music crit video-style deserve their own thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElyc_yZU54

Dude's awesome.

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

this is the worst idea ever

gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:08 (seven years ago) Permalink

^^^^^

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

tim's tv show was really good, but that had 3 people incl tim

the problem w/ this is that it takes me like... 6 mins to read two or three reviews on my own -- i don't really want to watch a 6 min video of a dude in front of a camera talking about something

gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:10 (seven years ago) Permalink

i barely can find time to listen to the albums themselves

gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

Unless his name is Scott Seward or Ned Raggett, I have no desire to watch a critic read his reviews.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

You all will remember this day when this dude takes over the world.

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

Tbh I shut it off when he referred to Xasthur as "eight albums tall".

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

Why do you hate poetry?

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

No, I hate unfortunate references to Smurfs.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

John D did an amazing flash animation review on Last Plane years ago (was just text but it sorta counts as video), was it for Radiohead?

Mark, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HW7jmRXeE

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

There's a pretty good Brokencyde reference in his Sleigh Bells review (1:30 or so):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJXrwCX20U

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

would be so bummed to come across this kinda shit irl anymore (bar? house show?). cannot imagine why anyone would seek it out online.

underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

which, i mean, i'll read a record review from time to time, but i don't need the dude or lady gesturing at me and getting all nasal with it

underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

I did this once. I intended to approximate Jay Smooth but I couldn't edit it down from 11 minutes. So.

I thought it was okay at the time but I am certain it's not worth watching now. Unless you like to see someone describing '70s Beach Boys records and all the while trying to talk through his bad haircut.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 09:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

This guy's changing lives and none of you even appreciate it:

"However, if you were to take relentless breathy female vocals and put them over a Sunn 0))) track, it would ruin that too."

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 12:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

ppl at the twitter conf kept telling me to do a daily album review vlog like g4ry v4ynerchuck and his dumb wine because it will eventually = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Do Pitchfork writers still review stuff for ABC News?

jaymc, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

Can't find anything re: Pfork/ABC lately, but I did come across Renee Fleming's take on pop and indie rock (I honestly don't dare watch this myself, just wanted to share the link... view at yr own risk!):

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/video?catId=2898870&autostart=false

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

I actually really liked the Woebot.tv thing. This guy on the other hand just seems annoying.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Some of prindle's ones have been really great...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdNhxSDBV9Y

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQITSJuNIyA

but then also, recently, very depressing if you've been reading him for a while.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

prindle's are at least kind of fascinating/horrifying for fans of his writing, but this other dude...why the hell would anyone watch this?

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

unless they themselves have considered talking about an album for five minutes into a camera in front of a black backdrop

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 16:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

Because The Needle Drop dude rules.

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

is this who you want to be when you grow up or something?

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean unless you can't find a guy in glasses to talk to you about albums in person, i can't see what purpose this guy serves.

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

he's got people to pay attention to music criticism -- that's something. also, dude's entertaining

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

dude has less than than 10,000 views on any video. Not bad for a vlog of a dude talking about albums for five minutes with no sound samples (wtf is up with that, btw?) but dunno if he "got people to pay attention to music criticism."

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

insofar as (1) he has some viewers and (2) you consider what he's doing music criticism -- and i do -- then "he's got people to pay attention to music criticism," at least momentarily

i mean, his is a small fuckin operation, but i'm all for some dude who obviously loves music doing a half-decent job turning other music fans onto good stuff

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

judging from the comments these people were already paying attention to music criticism when they got to him

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

sure, you're probably right -- all or even most of the ppl watching his videos probably already have some sort of interest in consuming music criticism, but at the same time he's at least furthering their engagement with it, which is neat. and i think he succeeds pretty well in doing pretty good reviews in this format. i'm all for people trying out projects like this. i also just like his stuff

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

*most or even all

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

the title of this thread made me think of something else entirely!

besides the derogatis show, are there any people doing criticism in audio form (which would seem like a more natural fit)?

there's a fantastic deconstruction of "hyper enough" on the laughter guns EP by some college DJs that I wish people would do more of, even if they're not joking.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

one day someone will do this well

ogmor, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:24 (seven years ago) Permalink

who wants to look at a music critic?

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

i was hoping da croupier was planning on launching a competing vlog

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

xpost

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was thinking this would be about critics tearing music videos apart beavis & butthead/MST3K style, where all you would see is a silhouette maybe.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:34 (seven years ago) Permalink

video is a more forgiving and flexible medium than prose, i.e. allows a lot of more divisive stylistic chops to be sidestepped completely and a lot of observations are simpler to express in realtime. it's quicker&less effort also. reading a tool fan trying to spot instances of the fibonacci sequence in lateralus wld be awful, but youtube is like an anaesthetic. vlogs are shit. all you guys are fools for even imagining them imo.

ogmor, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

irl lol, but

youtube is like an anaesthetic. vlogs are shit. all you guys are fools for even imagining them imo.

Huh?

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

minutes with no sound samples (wtf is up with that, btw?)

I think he used to have sound samples in some of his older review. Whatever happened?

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah, i thought he did too -- copyright issues, maybe?

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to think where video offers an advantage over an audio review. Would you pull up spectrum analyses of records?
I think it could be a useful to show where someone maybe ripped off someone else, but it isn't immediately obvious by listening to it.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

you could slowly pan over album artwork and pictures of the band while actors read quotes from the musicians, reading rainbow style.

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

interpretive dance

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdmSFXKM_QU

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:00 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp to ksh

video is less abstract and more sensory, & that dazzle sweetens the transmission of all sorts of shit. ppl will watch lots of shit they wldn't read, changing the ratio of yr senses can have a numbing effect, youtube is like an audiac, the headphone anaesthetic where you wld increase the volume till you couldn't feel any pain, or presumably, hear afterwards

ogmor, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

the laurie anderson curlers line gets me every time!

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah if you make fighting "SJWs" (aka people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity) your project I am not too worried about any subtleties lost by lumping you in with alt-right culture warriors. NV otm.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:39 (two months ago) Permalink

this is certainly not the right thread for such discussion (I seem to recall the creepy liberalism thread filled with posts on this matter) but perhaps "SJWs" cannot be exclusively defined as people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity

niels, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Think "SJW" can be safely defined as "word used exclusively by assholes"

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:45 (two months ago) Permalink

^^^

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:45 (two months ago) Permalink

yes

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:47 (two months ago) Permalink

the brackets indicate as much

niels, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:48 (two months ago) Permalink

and yet you seem to be implying it has a valid use

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:51 (two months ago) Permalink

that was not my intent though

niels, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:54 (two months ago) Permalink

anyway, I've very little interest in discussing politics and am already sorry I engaged so much with this, no offense intended

niels, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:56 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah if you make fighting "SJWs" (aka people opposed to racism, sexism and structural inequity) your project I am not too worried about any subtleties lost by lumping you in with alt-right culture warriors. NV otm.

― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, October 11, 2017 10:39 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

SJW is definitely a dismissive term used by assholes. But yeah, way too much overlap with the alt-right culture warriors. Anybody with a legitimate argument is not using the term SJW.

Evan, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 14:58 (two months ago) Permalink

So, bearing that in mind, this video, talked about in the Fader article and brushed past in his response, is the reason he can fuck off forever afaic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4lFSq_Efzk

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:18 (two months ago) Permalink

I am sorry I gave that a click

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:21 (two months ago) Permalink

"will white men ever have a voice in society?" hmmm good question indeed

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:26 (two months ago) Permalink

Good idea putting a creepy ambient soundtrack in that video.

jmm, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:26 (two months ago) Permalink

xxp Yeah, me too. But an unpleasant few minutes has saved me who knows how much time in the future.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:30 (two months ago) Permalink

Let's not forget One in a Million or Sebastian Bach's Aids Kills Fags Dead shirt, metal culture was (and often is extremely toxic, racist and misogynistic - and still is, check the near daily attacks on Kim Kelly) and I grew up on that shit. Also metal was hugely pervasive.

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:01 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fair points, i guess i just think a lot of meme culture has seeped into being influential in the political discourse, especially with the alt-right, the SJW bullshit, etc. there's no denying the bad aspects of metal, and i think back then it was certainly a misogynistic boys club. but i guess what really depresses me is that at the time of GNR/Skid Row, those two things you mentioned were iirc derided and certainly not championed. whereas today i wonder if they'd be seen as total edgelord moves.

nomar, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:32 (two months ago) Permalink

I mean, derided by the music press, sure. Plenty of ppl in the audience might've felt differently, but there was no internet to tell that to.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:55 (two months ago) Permalink

also true

nomar, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:58 (two months ago) Permalink

I don't think previous "edgy" subcultures recruited people
in the same way as these online hate communities, which appeal to people's frustration and sense of inadequacy to lure them into a radical political ideology. The alt right is more of a movement than a subculture, which is why it is so dangerous and why it has little to do with the old debates concerning controversial art, in which issues of "free expression" were salient.

Treeship, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 15:59 (two months ago) Permalink

they act like they still *are* salient though, which is the problem I was getting at upthread

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 16:01 (two months ago) Permalink

The best way to describe it is like a public health crisis. This is like if the KKK staked out booths outside local high schools.

Treeship, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 16:02 (two months ago) Permalink

I'd argue that those things were derided in the mainstream media but embraced by a big chunk of the actual fanbase

also, I think the hipsterization of black metal (early 00s douches wearing Burzum shirts) was also contributed to the formation of the now-alt right

(along w/neo-folk, parts of industrial)

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 16:06 (two months ago) Permalink

noisy shit nerds listen to while they're fragging noobs

j., Wednesday, 11 October 2017 16:42 (two months ago) Permalink

Ehh I won't link to it but there's a 10-minute MDE youtube clip (which was linked to in an Atlantic article about World Peace) where Sam Hyde does a local stand-up routine full of stupid liberal-baiting and ethnic stereotypes. He's then followed by a woman comic, whom Sam proceeds to heckle, goading her into tapping him in the face with the mic and then grabbing her by the wrist, intimidating her to the point where she's screaming at him to leave.

Yeah I've seen this (not recommended obviously) and I think it gets at so much of what this section of the alt-right crowd is all about; the entire goal is to "trigger" someone and leave them a stammering mess, have them way nasty things to you and then go "see what a hypocrite they are?". I remember a while back when someone suggested Sam Hyde was alt-right and my reaction was, "the MDE guy? he's kind of a idiot and a provocateur but his humor is too nihilistic and shallow to even give it that much credit". Of course I was way, way wrong about that, but still, that's the way he comes off most of the time. It's like someone getting pissed off at Steve Brule.

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 17:57 (two months ago) Permalink

As for Fader v. Fantano, it does stink of resentment at someone who unlike most media critics has turned what he loves into a livable salary. As for his deleted channel, I've never seen it, but satire does have a history of being misinterpreted. I don't share much in musical taste with Fantano, and am likely to disagree on the rare occasion he chooses to review an album I enjoy. But I can see how his enthusiasm could be infectious and appealing for others, for audiences that print criticism doesn't reach.

― prelude to abjection (Sanpaku), Tuesday, October 10, 2017 7:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Come the fuck on. By this standard anyone more successful than you is above critique. It's an unrealizable ideal in a genre of art that is literally about people intellectual engagement with one another to say critiquing them is off limits

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:06 (two months ago) Permalink

Everyone, I was wrong, there is in fact a new standard for music criticism in video form

THE ROCK REALLY WENT IN LIKE THAT 😩😩😩 pic.twitter.com/jmFbvAnm0e

— Complex Pop Culture (@ComplexPop) October 11, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:09 (two months ago) Permalink

I am now actively campaigning for The Rock to be President.

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:32 (two months ago) Permalink

you're probably joking but i'm pretty sure i would vote for the rock in any presidential contest idgaf

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:36 (two months ago) Permalink

you should read this Caity Weaver piece

https://www.gq.com/story/dwayne-johnson-for-president-cover

nomar, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:37 (two months ago) Permalink

I already did!

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:38 (two months ago) Permalink

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:38 (two months ago) Permalink

(apologies if GQ covered any of that)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:38 (two months ago) Permalink

not only do i think he'd make a good president but i think he would easily win he's widely beloved and one of the most charismatic + engaging americans alive

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:40 (two months ago) Permalink

His solicitude, I realize, is also why he wanted to drive: Johnson's “private gym” is situated in one of the top ten worst locations I have ever been, including all grocery-store bathrooms. “This is why I didn't want Uber to just drop you off here,” he says as he pulls into a desolate parking lot. “Because this is a shitty neighborhood.”

What Dwayne Johnson calls “a shitty neighborhood” could more accurately be styled “a void of humanity right here in sunny California.” It's somewhere you could go to procure the bulk materials needed to construct a shitty neighborhood: DOORS, promises a sign on one empty building; SIGNS, another. Johnson parks his Escalade next to an abandoned Honda Prelude.

“Where are we?” I ask, unable to believe that my best friend has brought me here. “Warehouse district,” he announces proudly, unlocking an unmarked metal slab of a door. “Private gym.” He holds the slab open for me.

“I'm in the process of looking for a bigger space***,” says Johnson, his voice bouncing off the cavernous walls of the biggest space I have ever seen.

***the white house???

nomar, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:40 (two months ago) Permalink

what are the rock's thoughts on the carceral state, american exceptionalism in foreign policy and drug enforcement laws

I take it you haven't seen Snitch. You should; it's a good movie and deals with a lot of this stuff.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I have not though he didn't write or direct it? (I do see he has a producer credit but that could mean a lot of things.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

i don't know how fleshed out his policies are - his background and comments over the years suggests to me that he probably wouldn't do much for you re american exceptionalism in foreign policy, but is pro reforming the prison industry and drug enforcement laws. he's apparently making a documentary on the topic for hbo - spin writes about it: "By all indications, the doc is meant to make the case that a carefully-regimented boot camp system, mixing punishment and rehabilitation strategies, could be an effective substitute for long prison sentences, and a better way to combat recidivism." -- he was arrested a few times as a young person. more importantly to me he seems to genuinely care about people and want to do the right thing, and he seems very smart and capable. there's some ambiguity about whether he'd even run as a dem or rep which probably speaks to how he hasn't taken firm stances on extremely controversial positions. i'm not sure that troubles me so much tho.

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 18:56 (two months ago) Permalink

the right is also way better at reorienting the discourse so it uses their words. 'political correctness,' 'sjws,' 'fake news'... all of those terms (and way too many others) are not neutral and when people who posit themselves as such use them it's extremely disheartening

maura, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 19:17 (two months ago) Permalink

otm -- SJW's is exclusively used to attack women and people who defend women, fake news is used exclusively to attack even lightly critical takes on Trump or the right wing, etc

nomar, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 19:19 (two months ago) Permalink

lets not forget this

@ScottAdamsSays brings up the topic of #SJW's in Dilbert! :Dhttps://t.co/L9cRW86lZn pic.twitter.com/ruIfcJhRxu

— Ford Freestar (@I_AM_IRON_VAN) June 15, 2016

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 20:20 (two months ago) Permalink

was not aware rock and tyrese were no longer friends

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 21:46 (two months ago) Permalink

i thought it was those who complain about sjw's online all day who scream 'censorship!' at the slightest pushback

dyl, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:31 (two months ago) Permalink

WHO'S THE REAL SNOWFLAKE???

maura, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:35 (two months ago) Permalink

Some more on that Rock/Tyrese thing

https://www.avclub.com/boy-tyrese-is-really-struggling-to-get-this-feud-wit-1819376604

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 22:39 (two months ago) Permalink

We live in a weird world where @vincestaples and @RonnieRadke openly beef on Twitter. O_____o

— thee anthony fantano (@theneedledrop) October 15, 2017



Ain’t you get caught being alt right this ain’t a good day to interact with me broseph I’m giving out the full clip. https://t.co/9aHIUHpTMG

— Vince Staples (@vincestaples) October 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 October 2017 01:34 (one month ago) Permalink

pic.twitter.com/qaBEdbexiL

— Craig Bro Dude (@CraigSJ) October 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 October 2017 01:38 (one month ago) Permalink

god bless Vince Staples

pulled pork state of mind (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 October 2017 01:48 (one month ago) Permalink

wow all the defenders crowding the replies. the internet is great

maura, Sunday, 15 October 2017 01:49 (one month ago) Permalink

@ScottAdamsSays brings up the topic of #SJW's in Dilbert! :Dhttps://t.co/L9cRW86lZn pic.twitter.com/ruIfcJhRxu
— Ford Freestar (@I_AM_IRON_VAN) June 15, 2016

I don't remember ever being asked to identify with the boss character when I used to read the strip with regularity (like 20 years ago). it's like one day Adams took this character he designed to be an antagonistic moron and decided "hey, he's right"

Vinnie, Sunday, 15 October 2017 08:53 (one month ago) Permalink

America did that too

Evan, Sunday, 15 October 2017 16:24 (one month ago) Permalink


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