Music Criticism in Video Form

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We've talked about this guy in other threads, but he and those who follow a similar path of doing music crit video-style deserve their own thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OElyc_yZU54

Dude's awesome.

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:02 (ten years ago) link

this is the worst idea ever

gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:08 (ten years ago) link

^^^^^

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:10 (ten years ago) link

tim's tv show was really good, but that had 3 people incl tim

the problem w/ this is that it takes me like... 6 mins to read two or three reviews on my own -- i don't really want to watch a 6 min video of a dude in front of a camera talking about something

gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:10 (ten years ago) link

i barely can find time to listen to the albums themselves

gonjasufi smacker (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:11 (ten years ago) link

Unless his name is Scott Seward or Ned Raggett, I have no desire to watch a critic read his reviews.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:12 (ten years ago) link

You all will remember this day when this dude takes over the world.

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:14 (ten years ago) link

Tbh I shut it off when he referred to Xasthur as "eight albums tall".

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:15 (ten years ago) link

Why do you hate poetry?

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:17 (ten years ago) link

No, I hate unfortunate references to Smurfs.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:19 (ten years ago) link

John D did an amazing flash animation review on Last Plane years ago (was just text but it sorta counts as video), was it for Radiohead?

Mark, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:21 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4HW7jmRXeE

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 05:24 (ten years ago) link

There's a pretty good Brokencyde reference in his Sleigh Bells review (1:30 or so):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aJXrwCX20U

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:19 (ten years ago) link

would be so bummed to come across this kinda shit irl anymore (bar? house show?). cannot imagine why anyone would seek it out online.

underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:32 (ten years ago) link

which, i mean, i'll read a record review from time to time, but i don't need the dude or lady gesturing at me and getting all nasal with it

underwater, please (bear, bear, bear), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 07:34 (ten years ago) link

I did this once. I intended to approximate Jay Smooth but I couldn't edit it down from 11 minutes. So.

I thought it was okay at the time but I am certain it's not worth watching now. Unless you like to see someone describing '70s Beach Boys records and all the while trying to talk through his bad haircut.

Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 09:02 (ten years ago) link

This guy's changing lives and none of you even appreciate it:

"However, if you were to take relentless breathy female vocals and put them over a Sunn 0))) track, it would ruin that too."

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 12:21 (ten years ago) link

ppl at the twitter conf kept telling me to do a daily album review vlog like g4ry v4ynerchuck and his dumb wine because it will eventually = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

ლ support our troops ლ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:12 (ten years ago) link

Do Pitchfork writers still review stuff for ABC News?

jaymc, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:21 (ten years ago) link

Can't find anything re: Pfork/ABC lately, but I did come across Renee Fleming's take on pop and indie rock (I honestly don't dare watch this myself, just wanted to share the link... view at yr own risk!):

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/video?catId=2898870&autostart=false

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 13:28 (ten years ago) link

I actually really liked the Woebot.tv thing. This guy on the other hand just seems annoying.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:46 (ten years ago) link

Some of prindle's ones have been really great...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdNhxSDBV9Y

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQITSJuNIyA

but then also, recently, very depressing if you've been reading him for a while.

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:53 (ten years ago) link

prindle's are at least kind of fascinating/horrifying for fans of his writing, but this other dude...why the hell would anyone watch this?

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 15:57 (ten years ago) link

unless they themselves have considered talking about an album for five minutes into a camera in front of a black backdrop

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 16:01 (ten years ago) link

Because The Needle Drop dude rules.

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:02 (ten years ago) link

is this who you want to be when you grow up or something?

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 17:57 (ten years ago) link

i mean unless you can't find a guy in glasses to talk to you about albums in person, i can't see what purpose this guy serves.

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:04 (ten years ago) link

he's got people to pay attention to music criticism -- that's something. also, dude's entertaining

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:07 (ten years ago) link

dude has less than than 10,000 views on any video. Not bad for a vlog of a dude talking about albums for five minutes with no sound samples (wtf is up with that, btw?) but dunno if he "got people to pay attention to music criticism."

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:14 (ten years ago) link

insofar as (1) he has some viewers and (2) you consider what he's doing music criticism -- and i do -- then "he's got people to pay attention to music criticism," at least momentarily

i mean, his is a small fuckin operation, but i'm all for some dude who obviously loves music doing a half-decent job turning other music fans onto good stuff

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:18 (ten years ago) link

judging from the comments these people were already paying attention to music criticism when they got to him

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:18 (ten years ago) link

sure, you're probably right -- all or even most of the ppl watching his videos probably already have some sort of interest in consuming music criticism, but at the same time he's at least furthering their engagement with it, which is neat. and i think he succeeds pretty well in doing pretty good reviews in this format. i'm all for people trying out projects like this. i also just like his stuff

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:23 (ten years ago) link

*most or even all

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:23 (ten years ago) link

the title of this thread made me think of something else entirely!

besides the derogatis show, are there any people doing criticism in audio form (which would seem like a more natural fit)?

there's a fantastic deconstruction of "hyper enough" on the laughter guns EP by some college DJs that I wish people would do more of, even if they're not joking.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:23 (ten years ago) link

one day someone will do this well

ogmor, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:24 (ten years ago) link

who wants to look at a music critic?

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (ten years ago) link

i was hoping da croupier was planning on launching a competing vlog

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (ten years ago) link

xpost

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:32 (ten years ago) link

I was thinking this would be about critics tearing music videos apart beavis & butthead/MST3K style, where all you would see is a silhouette maybe.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:34 (ten years ago) link

video is a more forgiving and flexible medium than prose, i.e. allows a lot of more divisive stylistic chops to be sidestepped completely and a lot of observations are simpler to express in realtime. it's quicker&less effort also. reading a tool fan trying to spot instances of the fibonacci sequence in lateralus wld be awful, but youtube is like an anaesthetic. vlogs are shit. all you guys are fools for even imagining them imo.

ogmor, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:44 (ten years ago) link

irl lol, but

youtube is like an anaesthetic. vlogs are shit. all you guys are fools for even imagining them imo.

Huh?

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:45 (ten years ago) link

minutes with no sound samples (wtf is up with that, btw?)

I think he used to have sound samples in some of his older review. Whatever happened?

ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:52 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i thought he did too -- copyright issues, maybe?

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:55 (ten years ago) link

I'm trying to think where video offers an advantage over an audio review. Would you pull up spectrum analyses of records?
I think it could be a useful to show where someone maybe ripped off someone else, but it isn't immediately obvious by listening to it.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:55 (ten years ago) link

you could slowly pan over album artwork and pictures of the band while actors read quotes from the musicians, reading rainbow style.

da croupier, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 18:58 (ten years ago) link

interpretive dance

ksh, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:00 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdmSFXKM_QU

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:00 (ten years ago) link

xp to ksh

video is less abstract and more sensory, & that dazzle sweetens the transmission of all sorts of shit. ppl will watch lots of shit they wldn't read, changing the ratio of yr senses can have a numbing effect, youtube is like an audiac, the headphone anaesthetic where you wld increase the volume till you couldn't feel any pain, or presumably, hear afterwards

ogmor, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:02 (ten years ago) link

the laurie anderson curlers line gets me every time!

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 9 June 2010 19:04 (ten years ago) link

Oh I curate my own ballot, of course. Mostly the 'dishonesty' amounts to putting some ambient/drone records (underdogs here) a bit higher, to see them get some points or whatever. I just don't see it as a collective curating effort to create a diverse list; with all these individuals sending in a ballot based on their own particular reasoning, curating that seems nigh impossible.

Knowing what ILM is and what fits, that's another matter, and obv I agree. Even though loads of eyes were popping out of sockets when 'Jogging' and Gecs showed up as high as they did.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 4 June 2020 08:56 (seven months ago) link

"Jogging" was a lock to me cause UK and lots of cachet with the avant cru

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:00 (seven months ago) link

Think I curate in the opposite direction, if I know something has no chance of getting any other votes, I'll be a bit wary of putting it in my balot.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:05 (seven months ago) link

No I think the same way! Hence I tend to underrepresent rock music generally (at least in album ballots)

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2020 09:14 (seven months ago) link

my ballots are pure

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:51 (seven months ago) link

The Pains of Being Pure at Ballot

pomenitul, Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:53 (seven months ago) link

I am happier since I abandoned any efforts to curate or cram-listen for polls. I also had the second-loneliest ballot.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 4 June 2020 12:54 (seven months ago) link

Ha, I have enough problems making a full ballot in the general ILM poll to curate anything. If it's from last year and I heard it, it's on my ballot.

Siegbran, Thursday, 4 June 2020 13:29 (seven months ago) link

complaints abt other ppl pretending to like stuff for cred reek of insecurity, & the notion of real/fake taste is a curious bit of authentocracy

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Thursday, 4 June 2020 15:50 (seven months ago) link

three months pass...

The NY Times climbs aboard the Fantano bandwagon.

Another college student and musician, Ethan Fields, 20, has used his time at home during the pandemic to build a TikTok fan base, savvily interpreting popular songs in the style of other musicians. Fantano, Fields said, was an early influence on his knowing and silly insidery content.

“I don’t think there’s anyone else like him, who’s had that reach,” Fields said. “If you told somebody on the street, ‘Name a music critic right now,’ if they’re under the age of 25, they’ll say, ‘Anthony Fantano.’” (Asked if he could even name another music critic, Fields had to take a moment. “Ummmm, let’s see … honestly … I’m trying to think. There’s a guy from Rolling Stone who loves U2?” he said. “David Fricke?”)

The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantano’s career an “achievement,” but sniffed, “I don’t ‘watch’ reviews. I read writing.” In an email, Christgau added, “I literally never think about Anthony Fantano and would probably have trouble recalling his name. This isn’t a dis — I don’t know his work well enough to dis it.”

...

Having spent a lot of time on the vulgar message board 4chan, Fantano infused his internet presence with winks, contrarian irreverence and attempts at humor, like a recurring “roommate” character that is just Fantano in a fake mustache. He became a favorite of the 4chan music forum known as /mu/, but Fantano’s flirtation with that world also led to controversy when he was accused in a 2017 article in The Fader of courting the alt-right with a spinoff channel that reviewed memes instead of music. The article was later deleted amid a settlement, and both sides are bound by a nondisclosure agreement.

Fantano said he started that channel to make more money from YouTube, and acknowledged that there were some “grubby, close-minded, young, aggressive male types hovering around the content.” (The Needle Drop’s audience on YouTube is only 6.5 percent female.) He said 4chan was “toxic and problematic,” yet also “where most internet humor draws back to — all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.”

In the years since, he has become more vocal on social justice issues, adding, “My politics have become, as a result of reading things online, more intersectional.”

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:05 (three months ago) link

lmao at choosing to ask robert christgau about anthony fantano, powerful journalism

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:08 (three months ago) link

solid use of "sniffed"

the typo doer (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:28 (three months ago) link

The old guard has not exactly embraced Fantano. Robert Christgau, a rock critic for more than half a century, has called Fantano’s career an “achievement,” but sniffed, “I don’t ‘watch’ reviews. I read writing.”

What is Writism?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 15:31 (three months ago) link

He said 4chan was “toxic and problematic,” yet also “where most internet humor draws back to — all of us are guilty of that original sin, in a way.”

lol, this guy is so awful.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 30 September 2020 18:02 (three months ago) link

Robin Pecknold asks Fantano a few questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05BEJCR-jaI&t

alpine static, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 05:37 (three months ago) link

gen z are terrible

flopson, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 05:43 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

spider-man: into the fantano-verse: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/tiktok-music-journalism-1103594/

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 17 December 2020 00:46 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

lol, I was not expecting this:

https://thequietus.com/articles/29417-anthony-fantano-interview-favourite-music

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 14:33 (two weeks ago) link

fuck this

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:23 (two weeks ago) link

He's got the LCD Soundsystem stan look down pat.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:25 (two weeks ago) link

what is this 2003

why do kids love this prick

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:26 (two weeks ago) link

interviewing someone with bad taste, curious

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:28 (two weeks ago) link

good for the Quietus, should get them a healthy amount of hits

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

I think it's a reasonably good selection of albums and a reasonably good commentary on them?

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:33 (two weeks ago) link

The real dean of rock critics

Fenners' Pen (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:36 (two weeks ago) link

oh damn sorry fantano's good now

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

he does not have the taste of someone unfrozen in 2010 i'll hold off clowning him

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:44 (two weeks ago) link

i also def didn't read the commentary bc i don't believe he's capable of insight, just a character flaw of mine

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

anyway i'd prefer the baker's dozen feature be reserved to musicians and not given to very bad critics who hate women ymmv

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:47 (two weeks ago) link

hate women

I missed this part. What did he do?

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:49 (two weeks ago) link

listen i'm just making a judgment based on having observed his criticism over a period of ten years, he hasn't "done" anything

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

anyway whatever, good for the quietus, totally meaningless thing to get worked up over

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:50 (two weeks ago) link

if you feel the need to "minority opinion, but" about lcd soundsystem albums in 2021 to your sizable fanbase i feel like you should at least mention the juan maclean

ri, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

Hates women, music, life

Uptown Top Scamping (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

I was hoping to hate this, liking it would have been my second choice, disappointing that I feel neither.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 15:58 (two weeks ago) link

Is ILM the internet's foremost Fantano hate club?

pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:00 (two weeks ago) link

RYM is both his hateclub and his fanclub

imago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:02 (two weeks ago) link

Fantano Discourse has I think receded very slightly at least

imago, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:02 (two weeks ago) link

if i disentangle myself from the magnetic field of fantano hate i am constantly exuding i can look at this list of records and think "yeah some of these choices are pretty sick" but in the universe where i have actually observed his criticism it is impossible for me to think that

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:02 (two weeks ago) link

pretty good list of albums, do not read the blurbs. unless you want to learn that "daft punk is playing at my house" is "almost satirical in a way"

boz conspiracy by toby hus (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:09 (two weeks ago) link

These Quietus lists seem to have four approaches

* Genuine list of their favourite records
* List of records designed to present the person in a certain light
* As above but with added trolling
* A curated list to introduce some records they think need more exposure

This list is the second option, the most boring one, was hoping he would at least go for option three.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:16 (two weeks ago) link

I mean

Fantano hates me personally, arbitrarily. I don't have any feelings toward him, but as they say, "the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference". That said, I read his Quietus entries this morning and felt, for the first time ever, an twinge of affinity for both his choices and an appreciation for the things he was expressing, that's all! The twinge has passed. I still don't care about him

flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

why doesn’t this guy ever push his fucking glasses up

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

I don't know his choices because I refuse to click through but even if I like some of them they're bad choices because they're his

it's good to have occasional reminders of how conditional the current vague social justice orientation of alt music media really is. this is just good business for them, much like it was good business for this guy to have certain associations which it's now good business for him to deny

as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

xpost - OEO, I always have the same thought!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

My favorite 13 records would be an incredibly boring list

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:26 (two weeks ago) link

it's good to have occasional reminders of how conditional the current vague social justice orientation of alt music media really is. this is just good business for them, much like it was good business for this guy to have certain associations which it's now good business for him to deny

― as#d,.F:ddz;,c#,;;,;,;,sdf' (Left), Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

social justice commitments are fleeting, but apparently click-maxing paginated galleries will always be with us :(

rob, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 19:37 (two weeks ago) link

I don't like Fantano's videos but I thought the Quietus article was good. I enjoyed his description of the guitar sound on Plastic Surgery Disasters .

JRN, Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:39 (two weeks ago) link

My favorite 13 records would be an incredibly boring list

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, January 13, 2021 2:26 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 21:42 (two weeks ago) link


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