― Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 11:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
Reggae is a product of the union of West African rythms and European melody and harmony.
Jan
― Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 11:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 11:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
As for GH...oh dear oh dear oh dear. Matos, Blount, I take it all back - let him have it.
― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 3 March 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
geir is mentioned...
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
More on Geir
― Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
here all my second favourite albums from each year then:
1988: Pet Shop Boys 'Introspective'1989: New Order 'Technique'1990: Public Enemy 'Fear Of A Black Planet'1991: U2 'Achtung Baby'1992: Altern 8 'Full On Mask Hysteria'1993: Senser 'Stacked Up'1994: Massive Attack 'Protection'1995: Tricky 'Maxinquaye'1996: Underworld 'Second Toughest In The Infants'1997: Chemical Brothers 'Dig Your Own Hole'1998: Lo Fidelity All Stars 'How To Operate With A Blown Mind'1999: Chemical Brothers 'Surrender'2000: Doves 'Lost Souls'2001: Zero 7 'Simple Things'2002: Cassette Boy 'The Parker Tapes'
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 3 March 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
The Beatles found the perfect formula and future musicans should stick to that one. No need for "innovation".
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
OK, perhaps nog in Geirs case, but personally I enjoy lots of black music, but the love is mostly for singles rather than albums.
― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
I think his views on 'black music' are completely wrongheaded, but I think that they also expose a little the problems with accepting the linkage of music and race in the first place. IIRC from my old clashes with Geir, tangling with him on his own terms led you to advocate either a kind of pop-taste quota system, or to defend a more flattering version of the idea of 'natural rhythm', or both.
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
You mean like Please Please Me?
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
My theory:Albums are needed because it is the only way to promote cult of personality. People buy records because they identify with the artists.
Singles: singles are better at capturing the mood of the moment. This is why I mainly buy compilations.
Albums I do like are by individuals rather than groups. I guess this has to do with my natural aversion towards groups.
In an MP3 world, the loser will be the album. Singles will thrive (just like ringtones).
Geir,What was the first consistent rock album?
― Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
You mean like these:"Everybody Loves a Winner" "You Don't Miss Your Water""Do Right Woman - Do Right Man" "The Dark End of the Street""A Change is Gonna Come" "These Arms of Mine" "I've Been Loving You Too Long" "Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa-Fa (Sad Song)""The Happy Song""I've Got Dreams to Remember""Share Your Love With Me" "When a Man Loves a Woman"
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'll spare those for my Top 20s of each year coming up later on. :-)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
Wow, OK. To each his own. I'll just leave you with this: There's a big wide world of music out there, and I think it's sad that you're able to appreciate only this much of it (holds thumb and forefinger a millimeter apart).
― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
and Geir: first rock album (consistent)? Which was it?
― Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
So why not jazz?
― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:21 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jan Geerinck (jahsonic), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
Some jazz (particularly the slower songs on several classic jazz albums) is OK, but generally, there is too much inprovisation in jazz.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Richard Litteljhon for legal reasons, Monday, 3 March 2003 14:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 3 March 2003 14:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Scott Seward, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
He should - the stuff is as free from "black music" as it gets, and the Emperor/Dark Tranquillity school certainly crams more twin guitar melodic riffing, key and tempo changes into the songs than any 'conventional' rock band I can think of. But as the above list suggests, Geir likes his music aesthetically conventional, right?
― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
hahahahaha! You really believe there's a 'perfect' formula out there?What if someone such as yourself said this in 1960, everyone followed it, and your 'perfect' Beatles were stuck doing Irving Berlin covers?Now, I understand that you probaly mean this formula is perfect in your eyes, but how are you so sure there's nothing that can be produced that you'd like better?
― oops (Oops), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-one years ago) link
Quite right. I of course sympathize with him on the whole 'find your own aesthetic' point, and at the same time I'm rather glad it isn't mine...
It won't work. I understand, though. Somewhere in groups.google.com is the massive 1995 or so argument I had with him that tired me out after about a month or something.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 March 2003 15:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Music Consumer, Monday, 3 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Neudonym, Monday, 3 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
1950 Hank Snow: "I'm Movin' On"1951 The Larks: "My Reverie"1952 The "5" Royales: "Laundromat Blues"1953 The Crows: "Gee"1954 Elvis Presley: "That's All Right (Mama)"/"Blue Moon of Kentucky"1955 Chuck Berry: "Maybellene"1956 James Brown: "Please Please Please"1957 Jerry Lee Lewis: "Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On"1958 Link Wray & His Ray Men: "Rumble"1959 The Flamingos: "I Only Have Eyes for You"1960 Jerry Butler: "He Will Break Your Heart"1961 Ben E. King: "Stand By Me"1962 Little Eva: "The Loco-Motion"1963 The Beatles: "Please Please Me"1964 Dionne Warwick: "Walk on By"1965 Bob Dylan: "Like a Rolling Stone"1966 ? & the Mysterians: "96 Tears"1967 Smokey Robinson & the Miracles: "The Love I Saw in You Was Just a Mirage"1968 Sly & the Family Stone: "Everyday People"1969 The Rolling Stones: "Honky Tonk Women"/"You Can't Always Get What You Want"1970 James Brown: "Get Up I Feel Like Being a Sex Machine Pt. 1 & 2"1971 Temptations: “Just My Imagination (Running Away with Me)” 1972 Stevie Wonder: “Superstition” 1973 Marvin Gaye: “Let’s Get It On” 1974 Gloria Gaynor: “Never Can Say Goodbye” 1975 Jacob Miller: “Baby I Love You So”/Augustus Pablo: “King Tubby’s Meets Rockers Uptown” 1976 The Sex Pistols: “Anarchy in the U.K.” 1977 The Sex Pistols: “God Save the Queen”1978 The Clash: “(White Man) in Hammersmith Palais” 1979 Chic: “Good Times” 1980 Joy Division: “Love Will Tear Us Apart” 1981 Funky 4 + 1: “That’s the Joint”1982 New Order: “Temptation” 1983 George Clinton: “Atomic Dog” 1984 Prince: “When Doves Cry”/“17 Days” 1985 Lisa Lisa & Cult Jam with Full Force: “I Wonder If I Take You Home” 1986 Prince & the Revolution: “Kiss” 1987 Public Enemy: “Rebel without a Pause” 1988 Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock: “It Takes Two” 1989 Rythim is Rythim: “Strings Of Life” 1990 Beltram: “Energy Flash”1991 Nirvana: “Smells Like Teen Spirit” 1992 Acen: “Trip II the Moon”1993 Bikini Kill: “New Radio”/“Rebel Girl”/“Demirep” 1994 M People: “Excited” 1995 Everything But the Girl: “Missing (Todd Terry Club Mix)”1996 Blackstreet: “No Diggity” 1997 Sneaker Pimps: “Spin Spin Sugar (Armand’s Dark Garage Mix)”1998 Fatboy Slim: “The Rockafeller Skank” 1999 Powerhouse featuring Duane Harden: “What You Need” 2000 OutKast: "B.O.B."2001 Missy Elliott: "Get Ur Freak On"2002 Nas: "Made You Look"2003 (so far): Electric Six: "Danger! High Voltage," but don't hold me to it
― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 3 March 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
But I've had second thoughts about a few of these--Stevie Wonder has to have his no-seeing ass on the list. Replace Rundgren with Music of My Mind by Stevie Wonder, then, but although Songs in the Key of Life is probably a better record than Jailbreak, keep Lizzy on for fun.
Matos and I agree on four records, then; Hongro on one; JBR and I agree on none; Murphy on none; Blount on none.
― Neudonym, Monday, 3 March 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link