Geir Hongro - Classic or Dud?

Be careful what you say there.

On the other hand, Geir was a stand-up guy -- some of the things said to and about him were pretty brutal (including accusations of fascism and racism), yet he stood his ground and defended himself against such charges (as well he should). So for that trait alone, I guess I'd say classic.

Still a regular at no.sport.fotball, FWIW.

(Hello. I was lurker scum. Sorry. Not smart or articulate or knowledgeable enough, considering how many fine writers there were there or indeed are on here. No, I don't know why I post here, either...)

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan P of A.M.A.

I love how everyone on ama thought I was an ill-informed little ditz, and now many years on everyone on ilm thinks I'm an ill-informed little ditz. Now that's progress...

Ally, Don't SAY that! Jeez!

I love how everyone on ama thought I was an ill-informed little ditz, and now many years on everyone on ilm thinks I'm an ill-informed little ditz.

WHAT?!?! WHO? I'll kick their ass, I will.

HORRIBLE REALIZATION: I was the Ethan Padgett of A.M.A.

What Nicole and Mike said. Dammit.

Dude, you all can admit it. Let's face the facts: underage, grating shouty persona, lived in the middle of nowhere, gradual increase in ridiculousness-to-get-a-response...you all know it's true. It gives hope for Ethan: one day he too can turn into a glamourous NYC girl.

versus

Chongo

Music should ALWAYS be supposed to make you feel good, good and
only good. I don't want ANYTHING, music or any other stuff, to
make me feel bad.

Well, the use of the word "fascist" was a jokey over-statement obviously, but I stand by the rest of it. If you ILM Army Council deems it challopy then so be it. I am now going to get my guitar and shift from a major to a diminished triad chord without fear.

you = the

Geirsock.

I am now going to get my guitar and shift from a major to a diminished triad chord without fear.

that'll be a really complex chord change

i think you'll find it's a melodic modulation invented in 1967 but clearly influenced by western musical history and music hall

And in the blue corner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaOWQbnE5zk

ILM without Geir would be like one of those '70s disaster movies without that one contrary character who antagonizes everybody and always contradicts the self-styled leader ("I'm not going that way - I'm going THIS way! Who's with me?") and ultimately seals his own fate - in other words, unimaginable. Besides, he gets things right sometimes (twice a day, just like that broken clock.) Definitely more classical than duddical.

Blues corner? XTC has nothing do with the amelodics scraping and wailing of an inferior form such as the blues. (xp)

Is there a special edited version of ILM that's all Tin Pan Alley and R'n'B all the time and I'm missing out?

Because to be honest, ze enemy, she ees not zhair.

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And also, I'm not a Geirsock, you lemon. I don't agree with his opinions. I just find the demonisation of him daft is all.

Well, I thought red corner, i.e. red, i.e. commie pinko self-flagellating multicultural rhythmico-fascist liberals, so blue was more appropriate.

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WHEN O WHEN WILL THEY GIVE CLASSIC ROCK A CHANCE?

Insofar as Geir is laid into, I think zee enemy is there. He's dissed for being dogmatic, but surely phrasing your opinions as objective fact is fairly commonplace? It is in the antipathy to this that I see vestiges of rhythmico-fascism.

He is dissed for more than simply being dogmatic

with seriousface on, its really only the crypto-racist stuff that bothers me.

"those '70s disaster movies without that one contrary character who antagonizes everybody and always contradicts the self-styled leader ("I'm not going that way - I'm going THIS way! Who's with me?") and ultimately seals his own fate"

in the movie - the character doesnt have a choice but to stay with the group, while here - he is free to leave, yet doesn't.
whats the interest?

OTM. He's fine otherwise. (xp)

... well, he's not too bad, can be OK

yeah sorry he's on some dickbrain shit at best and a crypto-racist at worst. dud.

"hi i'm geir hongro, i'm going to join a music discussion website and re-iterate my crypto-racey music dogma at everybody for nine years and not move a jot in my own way of thinking, or engage meaningfully with anyone." fuck off.

I don't see where the crypto-racist stuff is. He doesn't dislike melodic music that happens to be made by black people, so it is clearly solely to do with aesthetic taste, no?

also, he got his own classic or dud thread - respect!

I don't see where the crypto-racist stuff is. He doesn't dislike melodic music that happens to be made by black people, so it is clearly solely to do with aesthetic taste, no?

How long have you been here?

Ha. The Rhythm Nation video is Geir's nightmare dystopia: 1984, only with funky black people in charge and anyone who likes advanced chord changes is imprisoned for thoughtcrime.

^^^^

Surely if Geir was actually as crypto-racist as some posts seem to suggest he would have been Suggest Banned by now?

I could do with less polls though

Not everyone believes in Suggest Banning. I certainly don't.

And Suggest Banning hasn't always existed!

I'd concede there's occasionally a somewhat demonic fervour when he's engaged in his grand theorising about music, but this never really spills over into any substantive racism.

shall we go into his "african cultures don't have a word to differentiate between music and dance, ergo they must be lower lifeforms than mozart" argument again?

Oh really? Not even his comments about sub-Saharan Africans having no word for or concept of music, only of "dancing"? That isn't crypto-racist, it's racist. And, of course, there's no retraction or apologia forthcoming if anyone complains about it because, frankly, that is what he believes - except he doesn't even "believe" it, IT IS TRUE.

xpost!

lollll

Well it's the one that pushed me over the edge

I'd need chapter and verse quotation.

I was prepared to accept him as a hapless weirdo hung up on melodic music in the Western tradition, to the exclusion of all else, until that

i'd need a sedative after looking through all those ridiculous theories to find the right quote! (xp)

LOL

So melodic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozu8KGFH-CU

Uggggggggggghhhhhh God. Give it to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53gY7BjNkpc

I can't find the original quote but here is some nasty person (I think it was me) bullying poor little Geir in to one of his usual considered responses:

... plus they didd't actually have a word for music in Africa until the white man showed up, eh Geir?

Which was rather obvious because they didn't have music, just dancing. Note that this only goes for a limited Geographic part of Africa. Northern Africa certainly had music, and they also had a word for it.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 09:39 (4 years ago) Bookmark

Ha ha, I found one I hadn't seen before!

West Africans used to know dancing but not music. They were introduced to music by the imperialists. The sounds they were making while dancing was just a part of the dance, and had nothing to do with music really.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:21 (1 year ago) Bookmark

Complex music may only be made by an elite of people with considerably bigger musical talent than most people.

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:49 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

(And such people will of course exist amongst Africans too, they need to be introduced to the actual craft at first though)

― Geir Hongro, Wednesday, 26 December 2007 21:49 (1 year ago) Bookmark

i've got a fuckin word for him

... ad nauseum. Which when put together with his apparently harmless trumpeting of the superiority of Western Music, begins to seem a tiny bit sinister

makes me want to put 'acid trax' on a loop and dance around for hours

But of course, he states as political views as being broadly furry left-liberal, doesn't he?

He doesn't have any political views that I can make out, I don't really care about that anyway

Okay enough of this. You want to call him out on this, try it on a thread when he's actually around.