A good old-fashioned tune never goes out of fashion. Rap and techno are going to die!!!!!

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One thing seems clear nowadays: People are tired of rap and techno and
other kinds of music without real songs. Everybody can put together some
sounds on a sequencer and/or shout some rude words backed by a record
player.

What is a whole lot more difficult is putting together a great tune.
After some years with SHIT dominating the hitlists it seems people want
real SONGS once more.

Of course there were some people wanting real songs around 1990 too, but
instead of looking for new talent they lousy ballads by
at-least-40-year-olds like Elton John and Bryan Adams. Nowadays you've
got bands like Oasis, Blur, Bluetones and the rest of them making SONGS,
with conventional structures fashionable again!!!

I am extremely happy with that because I am tired of all the RUBBISH
coming out of the hip-hop/techno people. The good old song will NEVER
die!!!!

Long live real music played by real people!!!!

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:11 (sixteen years ago) link

see when i do threads like this i get called out

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Why can't you just listen to real music trife? You're fooling noone.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

racism and homophobia are going to die

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:17 (sixteen years ago) link

But the music will live on in our hearts forever.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:18 (sixteen years ago) link

kiss me, littlest raver

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Ok, I was going to say it wouldn't be fair on Minna but after those Neighbours comments I might as well just go for it.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:21 (sixteen years ago) link

minna can join our soulless artificial man love

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't you know there's a worldwide punctuation shortage? Shame on you, wasting precious exlamation points on such tripe. And Oasis, Blur and the Bluetones are sort of in a tailspin. What brought you out of your closet now instead of during that 1-year window when such groups were actually popular? Didja just buy your first computer? Just wait 'til you get ProTools.

matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Only if we get to play some of the satan warriors, I mean eh.....stanton warriors.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Oasis are FASHIONABLE?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

i like the version of da antidote with crazy scratching on the breakdown, its not the one on stanton sessions

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

not sure I've heard that, you need some more plump djs though, good old fashioned breakbeat.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:31 (sixteen years ago) link

yo that rough shit never goes out of style

s trife (simon_tr), Sunday, 24 November 2002 22:34 (sixteen years ago) link

This is quite obviously a troll.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Sunday, 24 November 2002 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't even tell if its really Geir anymore. Is it possible he' s been living in a cave with his Brit pop cds having hallucinations about their importance?

bnw (bnw), Sunday, 24 November 2002 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

this is obviously a parody post of Geir back in 1997, when he reguarly posted naff messages on A.M.A of this ilk.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 24 November 2002 23:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Is this part of the Virgin FM promotion plan?

Richard Branson, Monday, 25 November 2002 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

zzzz.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 25 November 2002 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link

luv luv robot

minna (minna), Monday, 25 November 2002 01:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Who decided what a conventional song structure was anyway?

David Allen, Monday, 25 November 2002 02:13 (sixteen years ago) link

bobbie dylan

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 25 November 2002 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

I can't even tell if its really Geir anymore. Is it possible he' s been living in a cave with his Brit pop cds having hallucinations about their importance?
nu-Gier == C*lum in disguise?

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link

A good tune never goes out of style, but neither does a good rhythm. Rhythm was around BEFORE melody, I would also like to add.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link

What are you basing that on?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link

side to Callum with 2 l's (I'm talking about a different Calum.)

A good tune never goes out of style, but neither does a good rhythm. Rhythm was around BEFORE melody, I would also like to add.
I agree, sundar. Cavemen had drums long before they had electric guitars or synths or samplers.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

Melody is just sugar coating for rhythm.

Callum (Callum), Monday, 25 November 2002 19:58 (sixteen years ago) link

t/s singing vs clapping

g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 25 November 2002 20:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Music containing rhythm only is stone age music. We don't need it
in the 20th Century.

Geir Hongro

Geir Hongro, Monday, 25 November 2002 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link

I guess SOMEONE has to buy this.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

is uncouth to just add HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! to this thread? There really needs to be a laugh track on this one.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 03:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure that this rap thing is just a fad. It's only been around for 25 years or so.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link

To paraphrase Cher: "If I had dug a grave every time one of you geniouses said that Rap and Techno are dying, I'd be eating chow mein by now."

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link

"Singing is just a trick to get people to pay attention to the words." - David Byrne

nickalicious, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 14:32 (sixteen years ago) link

To paraphrase Cher: "If I had dug a grave every time one of you geniouses said that Rap and Techno are dying, I'd be eating chow mein by now."

custos is like our very own dr. phil

mark p (Mark P), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

(Cast Clerical Spell "Bless" on mark p.)

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Lord Custos Omega boldly wields his Bold-Type Post +2 Vs. Trolls

nickalicious, Tuesday, 26 November 2002 21:41 (sixteen years ago) link

oops, Custos fails a saving throw and gets eaten by a carrion crawler.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't Byrne say that singing is a trick to get people to listen to music? I was asking Callum what the basis was for saying that people created rhythms before melodies. I am honestly curious if there is research to show that.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Music containing rhythm only is stone age music. We don't need it
in the 20th Century.

We don't need the Bluetones here in the 21st Century.

scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Singing may or may not predate instruments, we don't know. But as to which instrument came first:
I think anthropologists are still debating this, but the consensus seems to be that drums with animal hide tops/gourds filled with small stones (ie 'rhythm' instruments) came before crude flutes made of bone or reed (ie 'melody' instruments). I have no hyperlinks to back this up (I repeating this from memory) but I'm suspect historychannel.com, discoverychannel.com or nationalgeographic.com might have some data on their sites about this.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 26 November 2002 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

A) I knew I had got that Byrne quote wrong. I always do.

B) From what I've read, the first musical instrument was actually supposedly the human voice (chants & whatnot), with animal hide drums being the first musical instrument/tool.

One thing I think most musicians take for granted is that music (supposedly) comes from roots in a spiritual/tribal ritual type of thing. Most modern musicians don't seem to make the spirituality-music connection, but when they do, it's generally to a very powerful effect (Jon Coltrane or Jeff Buckley being good examples).

nickalicious, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 14:38 (sixteen years ago) link

A good old-fashioned tune never goes out of fashion.

I'm still laughing at the inherent contradiction in this sentence.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 November 2002 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Right there with you Dan...

One question...do REAL songs have to be played on guitars by white folks?

cybele, Wednesday, 27 November 2002 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...
Has anyone figured out which REALLY came first - voice or drums?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Why the hell does it MATTER?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 5 May 2003 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link

voice came first. proof: "Here come the drums!"

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:33 (sixteen years ago) link

BECAUSE EVERYTHING MUST BE KNOWN!!!

renaissance man (Oops), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:37 (sixteen years ago) link

we need more recordings of just voice and drums

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Tunes make me physically sick. I can't bear them.

colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link

someone should start a label called 'Geir' that releases nothing but voice and drum records.

buttch (Oops), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:52 (sixteen years ago) link

ok

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 5 May 2003 23:53 (sixteen years ago) link

thanks

buttch (Oops), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 00:13 (sixteen years ago) link


you know... i read the subject line and thought, "what? how can they say rap and techno will die?" i clicked in cause i had to see what possible reasoning they could have.

and now i see the thread is started by geir... which makes it completely useless almost automatically.

trollee-o-lee-unholy,
m.

msp, Tuesday, 6 May 2003 00:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Birds were singing melodies way before drums were made, but then the wind in the trees may sound like cymbal flourishes to some.

ss, Tuesday, 6 May 2003 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Revive!

man, Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i really miss trife

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I really miss threads like this on ILM.

Oh, no, wait.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:14 (fifteen years ago) link

i wonder what geir would think of yo la tengo's "nuclear war". it's just voice and drums after all

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:15 (fifteen years ago) link

He'd probably hate it, because he only likes MELODY!!! Eh? Eh?

F. Anthony O'Reilly (Ferg), Thursday, 20 November 2003 23:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I predict that this thread will inspire four young fresh-faced Wallys from up the 'Pool to write and rock.

IOW, Friday, 21 November 2003 03:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, the first time I read the title of this thread I thought it was calling "Rap and techno are going to die!!" an old-fashioned tune--that is, the same old song about how the "new" music is a fad that the trad folks are always humming. And in a way, that's exactly what this thread has turned out to be.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Friday, 21 November 2003 06:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Geir, how long do you think these "fads" of rap and techno are going to last before they inevitably fall out of favor?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 21 November 2003 06:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I already answered that in another thread: Until the kids discover that their parents and teachers are hip-hop fans. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

but your parents are beatles and britpop fans....

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 21 November 2003 11:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Everybody can put together some
sounds on a sequencer and/or shout some rude words backed by a record
player.
... Hang on a mo!!! If it's so easy that anyone can do it, then that kind of suggests it's a bit more accessible to the average Joe & Jill Public, and therefore it won't die because it's obvious "entry-level" muzikkxxz for tha popstars of 2morrow!!!!!!

It'll be like skiffle again- only with USB drives!!!!!!

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

but your parents are beatles and britpop fans....

I never bought the pathetic idea of generational rebellion. Lots of kids do, though, and they are the ones that get into hip-hop and stuff like that.

Metal manages to have an everlasting rebellious effect as it gets noisier and noiser while the lyrical content gets more and more satanic and violent. Rap, I cannot see have any way to go to be able to piss off older hip-hop fans, other than simply not being hip-hop anymore.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 21 November 2003 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Geir, you should REALLY pay more attention to the undie-hop vs mainstream arguments.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it possible that, quite like rock music which started out very simplistically and RHYTHMIC, hip-hop and techo might *LOUD [SARCASTIC] GASP* der her her EVOLVE into things beyond what originally defined them as styles of music? Or possibly that *EVEN LOUDER [MORE SARCASTIC] GASP* it might already be happening, and you, in your predisposition to not listening to anything in these genres, might be missing out on it?

No, no, couldn't be.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Like Outkast ferinstance?

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 21 November 2003 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
this thread is so hilariously stupid ... that it MUST be revived!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 7 February 2004 07:42 (fifteen years ago) link

[[grimaces]] really?

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Saturday, 7 February 2004 08:23 (fifteen years ago) link


Long live real music played by real people!!!!

Long live Milli Vanilli.

nathalie (nathalie), Saturday, 7 February 2004 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Long live Milli Vanilli.

Well Milli at least

mentalist (mentalist), Saturday, 7 February 2004 10:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Is it my imagination or were the very earliest forms of music entirely rhythmic, making rhythmic music more "real" than melodic music?

No, I don't think it is my imagination...

Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 7 February 2004 10:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Do you have any recorded examples of the earliest forms of music, Stupid?

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

Only death is real

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link

How do you know that until you've experienced it?

dave q, Saturday, 7 February 2004 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link

Only cheese is real

I *have* experienced it

omg, Saturday, 7 February 2004 14:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Voice: "I used to dream about this when I was a little boy, never thought it would end up this way.....DRUMS!"
Drums: "Bop-shh-bopbop-shh...." etc

So voice came first.

Nick H (Nick H), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I for one would like to hear Geir's unique take on grime.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link

It would be most melodic.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Ned that would make a cool catchphrase eg "How was your morning?"
"It was most melodic, thank you" or "How do you find those new trousers you bought" "Very unmelodic unfortunately, too tight around the hips" etc.

pete s, Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha! Yay new memes!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:14 (fifteen years ago) link

U R ALL UNMELODIC

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Try as it may to convince us otherwise, rap is a silly thing. So much so that it becomes self-defeating, too: rappers swagger and boast, strutting like peacocks as they spin fantastical yarns and spend countless hours in comical self agrandizement so farcical you'd have to be a suburban adolescent to swallow it all. And all this in the name of realness.

(Brainwashed.com on DangerDoom

Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Inevitably, the record will collect sneers: it's just too silly or childish to be a rap record. Those who get the irony—like the surprising guest MCs Talib Kweli and Ghostface Killa—will know the truth: Danger Doom's just old school like that, and the most laughable rappers are still on BET's 106 and Park.

gear (gear), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

In retrospect, we sll had some points but nobody was 100% right.

Melody did return. But hip-hop sure didn't die. And if techno/dance may have died to some extent in the 00s (plus it got more melodic), it sure came back with a bang in the form of EDM.

In the age of retro, everything goes round in circles.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:06 (four months ago) link

:-)

Vape Store (crüt), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:12 (four months ago) link

hi geir!

how do you feel about rap becoming more melodic now?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:21 (four months ago) link

[faint sound of 'Mr Blue Sky' can be heard in the distance] by gahd... is that... is that Geir's music?

wot's the tea mum? (not beef again) (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:29 (four months ago) link

You poll a Genesis album's tracks, you pull the wooden stake from out of Geir's heart.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:31 (four months ago) link

Actuslly, yes, modern rap is often more melodic and also based upon originally composed material.

The GeirBot (Geir Hongro), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 13:47 (four months ago) link


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