that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

yeah i was gonna get started on a post for this thread and i then i thought, no

ppl are white btw

u stole my post

like 30 secs faster and it would be my login under that post

people of non-color

Hmm, if I've ever disparaged a 'white person' it's generally when they're exhibiting some annoying form of 'white privilege'.

making sort of vague generalities abt the habits of a race is not a particularly constructive way to have a conversation, even if your hearts int the right place

well the thing is people's hearts usually aren't in the right place and they're not trying to have a constructive conversation - it's usually always as in "lol white people". i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~

race vs. class

if any american whites are interested in mitigating for their whiteness feel free to sign the petition to pass the dream act, has something to do with stopping illegal mexican kids from getting deported or something, i dunno

i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, April 23, 2010 11:54 AM

u do know dom doesn't post here anymore rite

this just in: white people still corny

This sounds like the worst thing

Not monolithically. Generalizing is not stereotyping, and it doesn't preclude the existence of people who don't fit. And "black majority," a phrase widely used and understood, narrows the group down quite a lot, and talking about black youth narrows the group further.

My argument's not quite the same as his, but it's not too different from the way Houston Baker talks about US blacks using generalizations. He includes more examples but he's writing books, not ilx posts.

Holy Jesus and Mary Chain and Joseph.

one of the problems with using "white" as shorthand for "middle-class" or "dorky" or "liberal arts grad" is that it implicitly writes out all of the non-whites who literally exist in these spaces.

That's implicitly in my post. That's what I said I disliked.

well the thing is people's hearts usually aren't in the right place and they're not trying to have a constructive conversation - it's usually always as in "lol white people". i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, April 23, 2010 11:54 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont think we disagree? what do you think im trying to say?

"heart's in the right place" "problematic"

Just call me racist.

u r not racist
u r white ppl tho

Not monolithically. Generalizing is not stereotyping, and it doesn't preclude the existence of people who don't fit. And "black majority," a phrase widely used and understood, narrows the group down quite a lot, and talking about black youth narrows the group further.

generalizing isnt stereotyping, but it suffers from some of the same discursive problems, doesnt it? and im not sure "black majority" is quite a widely-used and understood as you think!

jeez dude i dont think youre "racist"

http://readjack.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/43-carcetti-and-norman.jpg

http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14/what-is-a-juggalo.2764772.36.jpg

Then it's not as widely-used and understood as I think, but it's understood by the people I need to understand it, who are the people in my life I talk about race to. I talk about race A LOT, so forgive me for being glib and rushed and using generalizations.

<------ mad light though

Generalizing is fine place to start. If you end with it, you're not really generalizing anymore, you're recapitulating your argument.

There's a difference between being a bigot and a racist. Everyone's racist. Certainly I am. And I have said so to my lol black friends.

Solved: Why White Ppl are Assholes

i dont even know what youre talking about now

max is a racist

we're all racists

I mean that we are not colorblind, or just blind! We see differences in culure, personality and physical characteristics. To pretend that we don't is silly, naive, whatever. That doesn't mean that you don't distinguish between the structural and the behavioral roots of problems, that you become a bigot, that you value the dominant culture more, that you don't put a check to predispositions to prejudice, or that you don't reason with yourself about matters of race. You DO have to reason with yourself about race. You aren't born knowing what you need to know about it, whether you're white or not.

^^^ I'm assuming this is not controversial. Tell me if it is.

culure = culture, obv

http://religionandterror.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/blacks-vs-whites-after-civil-war.jpg

So far the only funny one has been the MJ "Thriller" gif.

Faygo a little funny. White and black dude a teensy bit.

What exactly is a white person?

I don't mean to sound baiting, or like a troll. But like, when people talk about 'white people,' esp in the US, don't they tend to mean someone of light complexion whose family immigrated here more than X number of years ago? Because recent immigrants don't fit into the rubric easily (and there's a whole history of ethnic groups BECOMING white over time...)

can we talk about music in here

no "I'm white btw" yet?

A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.

A "female friend" weighs in: "And sometimes it does a disservice to frank acknowledgement of sociocultural inequity to focus on exceptions-i tended to be one w/regard to gender but it would be disingenuous to equate my exceptionality with any sort of norm."

Somewhat similar to this is men who disparage "men" usually from a feminist perspective - eg., talking about how "men" should step aside and let women run things, seeing how men have managed to thoroughly screw up the planet, and so on. This seems a little more serious to me than the racial version, which is usually played for laughs, since you could make a case from a biological perspective that men are more prone to violence or other undesirable behavior.

I find 'black' and 'white' increasingly problematic. Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink and the constructs of 'white' and 'black' as cultures (aside from mere pigmentation) are ones that I find increasingly annoying whatever their historical and indentific realities so I try not to diss 'white people' and save my ammo for specific assholes.

http://rlv.zcache.com/general_james_longstreet_tshirt-p235706652153917715t5e4_400.jpg

'black' and 'white' might be made up but that doesn't mean they are not real

anyway, james longstreet zazzle tshirt, yall

A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.

I'm just curious what this thread is about. I assume it's not about White Anglo-Saxon Protestants disparaging the *wrong* (Jewish? Catholic?) kinds of whites. It really means something closer to "hipsters disparaging their parents" right?

basically "liberal guilt" vs "redneck humor"

Liking The Wire - white

Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink

This is bordering on truism. The rest of that I basically agree with, although it's not functional if you want to talk about "white culture" and "black culture."

Yeah, this is about white guilt.

black people can also be yellow or pink btw

"hipsters disparaging their parents" right?

Yeah.

&xxpost yeah

I mean, I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

A friend of mine and his wife retired to Kirkwall after living their working years in London. I don't see too many downsides from their FB feeds, though they don't report every day's weather.

Aside from the visible shipwrecks poking out of the ocean (there are a lot of them!), and Viking ruins, this is the coolest thing about Orkney imo:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirkwall_Ba%27_Game

Yes, full of English people that's the other drawback.

Orkney actually has a really long and interesting history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skara_Brae

im from an island in the atlantic and the idea that our simple but honest table fare would be elevated by the influence of an influx of cruise ship passengers bewilders me

Yeah same, cruise ship food ain't shit.

no but people might open up more restaurants if there are more people. that's what i meant. more variety?

the island i lived on was not great for food because it was either fried fish or restaurants where everything was way too expensive. nothing in between. so i cooked a lot. $5 brazilian chicken lunches were dope though.

oh but also i was just responding to fgti who said the orkney food was bad. i don't require much when it comes to food though.

man, i am really good at daydreaming about places i will never move to.

orkward silence

They are called Orcadians there! You guys didn't tell me that. that is really cool.

I posted about leaving the US a few times on Wednesday. Was looking into it for various reasons earlier in the year, but after Tuesday its now obv a more intense decision. Those were incredibly sad and vulnerable posts for me to make. Even though I've been on this board for decades I don't normally like to open up like that on ILX, tbh because people can be real shits (vastly less so than in Ye Olden Days of ILX, but still.) I'm sure no one was talking about me or my little posts, but still, seeing posters itt throwing around terms like enraging, performative, saying ppl who make that decision are cowardly, quitters, privileged, blinkered, etc... I get what & who you think you're talking about but just... you don't know people's circumstances, is all I'll say. Try to be gentle, give people some grace, this week above all ffs.

(Bizarrely enough, spending time & making friends in Orkney last year was a major factor in my partner & I starting to think about leaving. We actually liked the food.)

I wish you luck! I find it traumatic just to move in general. Moving to another country would be scary. But there are ALL kinds of reasons to do anything. People should understand that. And you can do whatever you want! I honestly don't know where I would feel more comfortable or safer or saner. Maybe that place doesn't exist for me. I hope you find something better wherever that may be.

Haha, it ALL leads back to Orkney!

I think what made the local cuisine better in S Miguel now compared to my childhood is mostly the internet giving local cooks more resources, perhaps also cheaper flights leading to locals being exposed to different cuisines. Better availabity of ingredients for sure, this I sadly have to state is kind of capitalism at work, the local supermarkets got killed by the national chains and the national chains got bought out by French conglomerates but y'know, the French know their onions.

All the cruise ship ppl are usually coralled, barely spend any money on the island, dunno if they just dind on thr ship or if there's an exclusive contract with some place.

some of my oldest and dearest friends live in Orkney and Shetland. They're all very liberal and open-minded, but I get the impression the majority of the island inhabitants are quite different, and the stories they've told me about drug addiction ruining communities are grim.

Just to be clear, my time in Orkney was early 90s. Across the UK there seems to have been a culinary shift since then

Gordon Ramsay didn't even know how to make a sticky toffee pudding in the early 90s.