This sounds like the worst thing

Ice Cold: Right. Now how can you listen to that and think we’re talking about killing all white people?

Tone Def: Fact. We were talking about one specific whitey. Whitey Deluca our ex-manager.

Tasty Taste: He ripped us off for 70 grand.

Ice Cold: That’s right. And Whitey Deluca wasn’t even white. He was Italian. He was one of those olive complexion MFs you know.

Live shows have included such esteemed bands and DJs as TV on the Radio, Ghost Exits, Avenue D, Crash Test Dummies, Quieve & Tha Pumpsta, Dragons of Zynth, Matchbox 20 and Celena Glenn.

What the eff? Crash Test Dummies?

I don't think I can handle NYC for much longer.

Here's Fiddy's chance to walk the walk...

By the way, 50 lives in Farmington, Connecticut. [50 Cent party]

damn the white liberal knows everything doesnt he. if you dont share his vast knowledge. too bad, you just dont get it. fuck! this does indeed, sound like the worst thing. i though regular old hipster "dance parties" were dumb enough.

Casady was raised in Santa Barbara, Calif., but quickly notes her worldliness by listing the cities where she has lived along the trail to Brooklyn. A regular Kill Whitie partygoer, she tried the conventional (that is, non-hipster) hip-hop clubs but found the men "really hard-core." In this vastly whiter scene, Casady said that "it's a safe environment to be freaky."

I'v never been able to explain away my scoffing refusal to go to caucasian-dominated hip-hop club nights without sounding like a jerk.

And I still won't be able to, but for me

this. is. perfect.

PS- Williamsburg really is a horrible place, in case you're wondering. Everyone looks like they walked out of a Weezer or BRMC video. EVERYONE.

uh, only if you ignore the hasids and the hispanics and the poles, ya dumbass.

I realized that a) I didn't want to live anywhere near this Weezer video hell and b) That I didn't need her help.

I'd rather go to a club where people go to dance and get down and not pose like they came to dance and get down. I bet the lights there are always up so people can see each other doing their best nouveau black face. I'd rather go to Chief Ike's or the Blue Room.

xpost (to hstencilz)

yeah, there are plenty of "regular people" in williamsburg/greenpoint, you just have to walk about four blocks in any direction away from the Bedford L stop.

LOLZ :D

Um, I yeah I guess I was way off the mark, as I figured that people on a music thread would probably be going to Williamsburg to check out THE MUSIC SCENE.

And based on that, I'll hold my ground on what I said. The dozen or so friends I have who live there say the same thing.

Don't blame me for the fact that just about every article covering Williamsburg in the last five years has not done so without making the place sound obnoxious beyond belief. Also not my fault that NO ONE in music circles writes about, or has interest in, Willaimsburg's diverse ethnic community.

But thanks for the insult, champ.

aka don't blame me for BELIEVING EVERYTHING I READ.

I mean really, I lived in NYC long enough and have enough friends that still live there, quite a few in Williamburg.

You're REALLY going to try and front that Williamsburg, especially via the topic of this thread, and the many other club nights and the types of people who live there and attend such nights to make them a "story", has NOT become OBNOXIOUS?

BRING IT THE FUCK ON!!!

M.I.A. IS THE FUTURE OF MUSIC
IRAQ WAS BEHIND 9/11
BLACK IS WHITE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

Journalists in reducing everything to black and white shocka!

My neighborhood, which I am told is on the far east boundary of Williamburg, is overwhelmingly black, Dominican and Puerto Rican. There are 4 record stores on my street and I doubt any of them have TV on the Radio cds.

It's nothing like this.

it's like they are unaware of the ways of the world. Dammit, this folks need education. what if we were to found a school for this? we can dub it, "Freak Academy." Clueless scenesters of all shades shall be welcome.

shit, it's friday, isn't it?

xpizzost

It's like the rent there- you moved there because it was cheaper, then everyone else did, and now it's expensive, but how can you complain?

"Let's kick out all the white people- except me!"

I cill you for saying that, after I cill my landlord.

Gee, do you think maybe he's coming across as a "smug insincere fucktard" because he just spent a week defending obviously false racist charges aimed at both himself and his party?

Also, suggesting he is "using his minority women friends as springboard props" is a ridiculous charge. You're suggesting that white people are only friends with black people for reasons of exploitation and black culture credibility.

I originally took offense at this party, the fried chicken gimmick, and the WP article quotes, and posted as such. Now that I have all the information, it's clear the only thing to find offensive is the people who are still bothering to try to label this guy a racist.

The smear still being lauched at this guy and his party on this thread rings like some neo-con morality police bullshit and it's sickening.

YEAH! KILL WHITIE!

but to use miccio's logic w/r/t yyt's "wait", criticize at your own self-revealing risk. maybe the guy just really likes fried chicken. i mean i fucking love fried chicken. i like po boys too. i'm not sure that's how tha pumpsta means it, but it's sorta shitty to racebait kneejerk like this, because in practice things are more nuanced, less (ha) black and white.

new tshirt! new tshirt! somebody get Neighborhoodies on the phone!

The Washington Post assumed the role of labeling what is 'white' music and what is 'black' music

.....

Another thing you said about the shittiness of "racebait kneejerk"-ing.. are you still referring to The Pumpsta in that context? Or the detractors in this thread? Or both?

I would tend to disagree.

racist = ignorant

ignorant = idiot

racist = idiot

...then I see your point.

This guy's not a "I hate black people" racist, though. He's just an idiot who doesn't realize that his poor attempts at humor and irony come off as racist and offensive to many people. And I think, despite the free publicity angle, he's been paying for it recently.

Other events I don't feel impelled to travel across the country to attend prior to passing judgment: Republican National Conventions, Klan rallies, R. Kelly concerts... (not that any of these are necessarily analogous to Kill Whitey dance parties, just examples to illustrate one does not have to jump off a cliff to verify that it isn't a good idea).

...his guy's not a "I hate black people" racist, though. He's just an idiot who doesn't realize that his poor attempts at humor and irony come off as racist and offensive to many people.

You know, Jsoulja, the one thing I haven't called the guy is a racist because it would be too easy really. The guy is a smug insincere fucktard because he's off feeling the flames of public opinion/disapproval on his ass since he bared is so thoroughly and his defense is "it's a joke!"/"I've got a race pass, I can do what I want." I don't really care if the NAACP is co-sponsoring his party and holding bake sales there when the flyers promise free entry with a bucket of chicken and their promotional tools is to use disembodied black body parts/symbolism to indicate that they are promising a good old crunk time without the "hassle" of "agressive" black people there to "spoil" the fun. He is using his friends as a springboard prop to say "they agree and are helping, so it's okay." Yet it's not okay. Even if the party was 99.9% black except for Tha Pumpsta, it would not be not okay because fuck it, the bottom line is that there really has to be some form of creativity besides "big black ass here (well not really), come get loose!" in 2005. People like Tha Pumpsta are almost worse than the hooded types because their racism and prejudice is so coded that you really must be just be a killjoy if you don't "get" their humor. The fact that he is so obstinant and unrepentant in his loathsomeness makes me want to crawl on Bedford Avenue naked rather than give a dime to support him, that party, or that venue.

OK, I call bullshit, Nick. Sorry. I've seen flyers for ghetto-tech/DJ assult type stuff. I remember flyers back in the day for Miami Bass.. and also late 80s L.A. techno/scratching... yes, disembodied asses have always been a constant symbol of club iconography. But black asses were never exclusive and still are not exclusive to ANY of these, except Kill Whitie, and a lot of purposely lewd hip hop/club promoted by and for predominantly black audiences. In more shocking news, latin based bootie club nights feature a lot of *gasp* disembodied latina asses. It sounds like you're trying to make this more complex than it really is, Nick.

Casady was raised in Santa Barbara, Calif., but quickly notes her worldliness by listing the cities where she has lived along the trail to Brooklyn. A regular Kill Whitie partygoer, she tried the conventional (that is, non-hipster) hip-hop clubs but found the men "really hard-core." In this vastly whiter scene, Casady said that "it's a safe environment to be freaky."

dude look at the quotes. what you think she says is the effect of what's betwixt. how do i know? i do the same exact shit. it's not journalism, but i never act like what i do is. this article is all about michelle garcia exposing extremely strawmanned racism. and you bought into it, like most every other fucking clown on the internet anxious to Make A Point about something, Anything, hook/line/etc.

because the other parties cassidy is talking about are scary. lots of really junky dudes, many of them bridge n tunnel, raging drunk, big muscles, anxious to fuck. that's what she meant by hardcore. it has nothing to do with clubs being predominantly black, which last time i checked, there might be like 3 or 4 clubs like that in manhattan. these parties have hefty covers, expensive drinks, and call it ageism, but people over 40 wearing party shirts and swinging around freak me the fuck out. if i was a girl just looking to dance to hip-hop music, it's a variable i wouldn't want to deal with.

which brings me all the way back to this being not a black vs. white thing so much as a young vs. old thing. but who wants to talk about that.

xpost: donut please, black asses aren't exclusive to kill whitie either.

xpost: shawn d please, i spent 500 words on this out of the 5000 i wrote this week, this isn't gonna be anybody's watergate, not even yours (the d's for deepthroat, right; suck a dick)

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.

which brings me all the way back to this being not a black vs. white thing so much as a young vs. old thing. but who wants to talk about that.

I'm not shedding a tear nor really caring to defend the WaPo writers, mind you. I'm just wondering why Pumpsta thought his consistent theme is a good idea to keep consistent. While I'd cringe, I could deal with "Kill Whitie" and all it entails being a one-off, minus the free-entrance-with-fried-chicken thing and similar. But to keep it consistent, and to have people adorned in Wham! video takes on ironic words associated with racial guilt is not only an uncomfortable concept to me, but also really fucking weird the more I think about it...

xpost: donut please, black asses aren't exclusive to kill whitie either.

I've never seen the entire oeuvre of the Kill Whitie flyer collection, sadly, so I apologize if I assumed they were predominantly black asses. Given the name of his event is called "Kill Whitie", I ASS-U-ME'd. (Nyuk nyuk nyuk.)

I guess my point is.. can't he just phase the theme out? I don't doubt the success of his parties, but I doubt they'd require the theme to succeed. I don't think anyone here is defending the theme; they're defending Da Pumpsta. Now, unless I'm blind to NYC cabaret law politics, and Bloomberg gives grants to dance clubs that promote shocking and titillating feelings about racial guilt as "art statements" or something, I don't see a fucking reason for "Kill Whitie", but I have nothing against dance parties with asses on the promo flyers thrown by Da Pumpsta. Just kill the "Kill Whitie" part.

What an amazingly intelligent retort.

i'm more interested in simply pointing out that reading anything Tha Pumpsta says is like watching someone who can't punch their way out of a wet paper bag. And at least bad stand-up comics refrain from saying shit like "if you don't see it's funny, I can't help you." When they bomb, the audience lets them know and they have to eat it.

this is also a good point that got lost in the mire:

ha, even if this shit isn't racist, it's classist. keep it hipster and safe and fake and distanced and as a "commentary", y'all, stay away from the real people at ground level, because then you wouldn't be special "performance artists", you'd be just like everyone else.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 1st, 2005 6:03 PM.

If you scratch beyond their art-school shock tactic veneer, you find it's just a smokescreen, and what's being covered up (lack of talent, substance, etc.) is worth being discussed. and maybe even that young vs. old thing, if only to get Nick S. to stfu.

at best, assuming Tha Pumpsta is as 'down from day 1' and sincere as he says he is, he's still catering to retards who can't just get to down to the fucking music without feeling superior and distanced and he knows it, knew it before the first party began.

oh noes, the thread is dying!

WHAT DID NICK KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?

i know it's not funny, just trying to learn how to post pictures like the other trolls.

(posted in a new thread cos i didn't see this one -- thanks ned.)

DOUCHEBAG

Is Kill Whitie still killing whities?

http://www.savoystyle.com/whiteys_lindy_hoppers.html

Kill Whitie party maven Tha Pumpsta holds it down in NYC this weekend to celebrate double LP release of Bass Black Treble White.

“The ultimate postmodern lothario” – CMJ

“11! It’s all good as long as you’re really stoned and/or drunk.“ – Vice

“I have to admit his presence is electric, as if The Doors’ Jim Morrison and 2 Live Crew’s Luther Campbell had merged into one body.” – Jason Tanz OPP: A Shadow History of Hip-Hop in White America (Bloomsbury Press)

Inspired by the Martin Luther King Jr. quote “I believe that a day will come when all God’s children from bass black to treble white will be significant on the constitution’s keyboard.” Tha Pumpsta aka Jeremy Parker’s second album Bass Black Treble White tackles the paradox of the seven sins (“treble white”) and seven virtues (“bass black”) represented by the fourteen tracks.

If you’re in the NYC area, join us this weekend for special performances by Tha Pumpsta and Living Days to celebrate the release of the 2XLP edition of Bass Black Treble White. One black vinyl representing the seven virtues and one white vinyl representing the seven sins. Then follow along to the after party featuring DJs Leb Laze, Stay High, Tha Pumpsta, Taka, and Elizabeth. Info below.

Tha Pumpsta Live:
Milk The Beef and Fanatic Presents:
Live performances from: Tha Pumpsta (LINK) and Living Days (LINK). Featuring DJs: Taka and Elizabeth.
Sat. August 23, 2008 from 7:00pm - 10:00pm. Login and RSVP at Facebook HERE.
Capricious Space, Brooklyn (LINK) (103 Broadway btw Bedford and Berry)
Celebrate the release of the limited edition 2XLP version of Bass Black Treble White.
JMZ to Hewes or L to Lormier. Walk south on Broadway to Hewes.

Milk The Beef and Fanatic Presents:
Celebrate the release of the limited edition 2XLP version of Bass Black Treble White.
Sat. August 23, 2008 from 10:00pm - 4:00am. Login and RSVP at Facebook HERE.
With DJs: Leb Laze, Stay High, Tha Pumpsta, DJ Taka, and Elizabeth.
Trophy Bar, Brooklyn (351 Broadway btw Keap and Rodney)
JMZ to Marcy. Walk south on Broadway or L to Bedford. Walk south ‘til Broadway.

More about Bass Black Treble White:
Hit singles from Bass Black Treble White include “Move It” which offers a sexy duo between Tha Pumpsta and newcomer Autumn as well as “Octopus Armed” (MP3), a gluttonous-grime New York track. In addition there is also “Breath” that has an unmistakable Nine Inch Nails feel, “Don Juan” has a Baltimore two-step sound. Of course being from the ATL, Tha Pumpsta’s Bass Black Treble White is undeniably durty south.

“Kill Whitie!” addresses the hype and true nature of the party Kill Whitie! which was made famous by the controversial Washington Post piece (LINK). The track tells the story of a party that began with “Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, and lesbians” crowding the doorless bathroom of the stinger club to do bad street cocaine. The album doesn’t limit itself to any particular single sound, this is evident in “Nothing” in which Tha Pumpsta takes a moment to unearth his sensitive gay ass over what might as well be a My Bloody Valentine track. From Bass Black Treble White, Tha Pumpsta don’t discriminate.

Tha Pumpsta works alongside a diverse collection of homies including Black Cracker best known with her production work with CocoRosie and Bunny Rabbit. Long time musical partner and friend Derierre aka Shannon Funchess who regularly tours with !!! and sings with TV On The Radio. Derierre also shares the stage with Tha Pumpsta who are both front men of the notorious live rock / booty party band Durty Nanas.

The enhanced audio CD includes Grant Worth’s music video “Freeky” (VIDEO) filmed at an abandoned insane asylum in upstate New York the day before Halloween 2006. Tha Pumpsta also contributed his brilliant editing skills by hacking an early 90’s marine commercial for the music video “Temple.” (VIDEO) The Limited edition two-disk vinyl consists of one black vinyl and one white vinyl in a clear gatefold.

Bass Black Treble White Tracklisting:
National Release Date: September 2nd, 2008

01. 1987
02. Move It
03. Sallie Mae
04. Octopus Armed (MP3) | (VIDEO)
05. Add
06. Temple (VIDEO)
07. Don Juan
08. Breath
09. Spesh
10. Kill Whitie!
11. Clapp
12. Whoop Revisited
13. Freeky (VIDEO)
14. Nothing

More about Tha Pumpsta:
“I am Tha Pumpsta. What that means precisely is debatable. I tend to believe that I am Tha Pumpsta because I, like most people from the durty durty live life a little ‘crunk’.

Currently I am working on a third album and a 12-inch release titled “Tha Charm” with the song ‘L-0-V-E (No Crying at The Disco)’ which will include remixes by Black Cracker featuring Shunda K of Yo! Majesty and others. I just released Bass Black Treble White with the amazing people at Milk The Beef Records! National re-release this Fall. In addition to an enhanced audio CD, there is also a limited edition two-piece vinyl. One black vinyl representing the seven virtues and one white vinyl representing the seven sins. It is available in select stores and on pumpsta.com. (buy from me, it’s cheaper!) The audio CD comes enhanced with the music videos “Freeky” (VIDEO) by Grant Worth as well as “Temple” (VIDEO) a re-edit of some nostalgic marines footage I made myself. Watch it online or better yet, buy the album!

Also under my belt is the first Pumpsta album titled Alphabitize The Nation! I understand “alphabitize” is misspelled, but it was too late and Photoshop doesn’t have spell check so “alphabetize” stuck. I have done all the design and layout for my work including the new “Peace and Pumpsta” oversized UNI-T. This is also available on pumpsta.com or in select fancy boutiques, once again buy from me it’s cheaper!

I have worked with a whole slew of kats including Avenue D, Black Cracker and Bunny Rabbit, Gio Black Peter, Will Lemon, Gustavo Andrade and Stephonik and of course the amazing Shannon Funchess aka Derrière of !!!, TV on The Radio and every other amazing band you’ve ever heard in your life. As well as lots and lots of others I am sure I am forgetting to mention.

I love life, people, and music... Besides the recorder, my first “real” instrument was the trumpet in middle school. I was your typical overweight nerd who knew every word to “Whoop There It Is” by Tag Team (there is a cover of it on Bass Black Treble White.)

For three years I played in a band called Durty Nanas. In a safety deposit box rests recordings that under the guidance of God will be released one day. But only when humanity is ready… LOVE ALWAYS!

On The Web:
www.pumpsta.com
www.myspace.com/thapumpsta
www.milkthebeef.com

I was your typical overweight nerd who knew every word to “Whoop There It Is” by Tag Team

intersting

you obviously more than usual have no fucking clue what you're talking about, you asinine fucking hack.
classic thread

and of course followed by, "And I'm actually not irate at all..."

The whole party sounds like this themed Columbia kids house party that my friend dragged me to. It was "Ghetto Fabulous" which apparently means a lot of track suits, headbands, and wife beaters. Some chick turned to me and was like "what do you think about this outfit? Authentic, right?"
And I beat her to death.

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