Stone Roses - Stone Roses: C/D?

Love the singles, could take or leave the rest. Middle gets a bit soggy.

Will The Stone Roses ever reform?

This is the thread where we defend the Stone Roses.

Stone Roses fans

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Will The Stone Roses ever reform?

This is the thread where we defend the Stone Roses.

Stone Roses fans

&ct.

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i thought the thread revival was for this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18774522

@thestoneroses
THE STONE ROSES WILL RELEASE A NEW SINGLE TONIGHT AT 8PM

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I'm seeing people on Facebook who are genuinely excited about this.

Sad!

I kind of like The Second Coming.

Yeah, I do to

Sad!

― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:57 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Second Coming is OK apart from the lyrics to Squire's songs, which ore often extraordinarily terrible hoary rock cliche bollocks.

how can this be anything other than atrocious, really

is there enough time for ilx to pre-cover this?

Give us a title and we can do it.

Actually, if they announce an album, we really should ...

ore often extraordinarily terrible hoary rock cliche bollocks.

.. You thinking The Seahorses? Or was this "step one" towards it?

the lyrics to drivin' south are total rock bollocks iirc

hey it's either that or homophobic faux toasting

IIIIIIIII'M GONNA BREAK RIGHT INTO HEAVEN

*generic heavy riff*

"I'm on a tightrope baby, nine miles high, striding through the clouds on my ribbon in the sky"

It's just fucking awful. Love Spreads is OK, Begging You is OK, How Do You Sleep is OK, Daybreak is kind of weird ad-libbed cod-funk but not awful despite that description, but the rest is just awful, awful, awful.

just realised i'd never knowingly heard the reformed roses playing anything and i was morbidly curious whether ian brown still sounded like he'd undergone a laryngectomy

all i could find on youtube was footage where the crowd's singing was louder than his, so it'll be interesting to hear what he sounds like on the new single

http://www.nme.com/news/the-stone-roses/92935

"I am very excited, for them mainly," Gallagher told NME of the band's return. "They're going to play some new songs. I bumped into Ian in a supermarket recently. He was buying chocolate flavoured shower gel. This is not a joke. He leant and said 'have you tried this?' and I said of course I hadn't. He swears by it, says it's amazing. And before it turned into a photoshoot with everyone and their cameraphones, he was telling me how excited they are by it all. He said it was like they were making their first record again."

although the rock bollocks on the second coming is indeed terrible, i'd still rather have that than the seahorses' 'Strap on Sally chased us down the alley / We feared for our behinds / Oasis was a shop with shoes so hot / They were sure to blow your minds'

you realise those lines are a direct quote from Auden, right?

pete auden, john squire's dealer?

I really do like 'Breaking into Heaven.' It's a shame it drops off after that.

I am sure this record will swagger

under the weight of its own swollen, portentous cobblers

I dont expect much but im still excited that there's new music by one of my fave ever bands. I loved the second coming, they should let Ian do the lyrics though.

Ian let John do most of the lyrics and songwriting on Second Coming because he thought there'd be plenty of chance for him on other albums. And there was! His solo albums.

Dave Haslam ‏@Mr_Dave_Haslam 54m54 minutes ago
Exclusive - the new Stone Roses single sounds like 'Tomorrow Never Knows' by the Beatles, esp. the guitar & drums...

a bold leap into the future by one of britain's most innovative bands

sounds promising

ah, that 'tomorrow never knows'

Don't be downloading this off soulseek. #Support

#SupportDumpy's Rusty Nuts Stone Roses

I'm kinda curious as to what this is going to sound like, whether it'll be an extension of Second Coming or self-titled album retread. I'll be very surprised if it sounds more like Golden Greats.

So, I'm guessing this is to be released to make number one next week?

5 LTW articles on it by tomorrow lunchtime.

^ Ha! Yeah, totally!

Just heard it. It's a cross between "Something Burning" and something off of Second Coming.

Definitely not the chiming, Byrd-sy thing... was hoping for something more melancholy like "Mersey Paradise" but seemed alright. Definitely sounded like them.

playing right now:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006wqdc

I'm hearing something by Beaty Heart? which was not what I wanted to hear

ah, they played it twice in a row a minute ago

Lyrically and musically, kind of had the "One Love" / "What the World is Waiting For" vibe. The riff was a little Beatle-y though I can't pinpoint exactly which song, but tone was heavier, and had more noodly guitar, like stuff off Second Coming.

I wouldn't put it among their best songs, but it probably would have been in the top half of Second Coming.

Oh, it's on Spotify already.

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rather displeased with the lyrics, honestly... in their prime, they were able to straddle this delicate line between earnest positivity and sublimated contempt... but lyrically, this seems a little on the cheesy side.

I felt a mix of enjoyment and just plain relief it wasn't as terrible as it could have been. The lyrics are terrible, the riff's pretty good. I do have expectations for the album now.

Yeah, Ian totally dropped the ball here, not that anyone was expecting some Bob Dylan shit, but still...

New Radiohead, Stone Roses and Super Furry Animals within a week... sorely tempted to check my calendar to see what year this is.

and Misfits reunion. LOL.

i still love this band though, and regardless of how bad this song could have been, i'd still be excited for a new album

Pretty decent single tho its not Love Spreads level good. Its at least not a retread of the 1st album which is what I was dreading.

Haslam's got cloth ears, it's 'I Want To Tell You' not 'Tomorrow Never Knows'

it's The Bluetones covering the theme from 'Going For Gold'

lol

People have made this comparison https://youtu.be/P-xO72s5EBY

it's The Bluetones covering the theme from 'Going For Gold'

^^ first thing I've read that actually makes me want to listen to this

xp ok, doubly so after Kitchen Person's link

this song is a prank, right

no wait, the tweet that compares it to "Tomorrow Never Knows" is the actual prank? it must be

I've just heard it and PaulTMA's description isn't actually that far off the mark.

People have made this comparison

the character on the right bears a resemblance to Ian Brown, but aside from that, I'm not seeing it. Presence of the words "all for one" is not sufficient.

http://i.imgur.com/Fawqioj.png

Also, weirdly, it's probably the best Ian Brown's ever sounded. Shame the song sounds like mid-table mid-'90s Britpop.

Heard the 30s clip on Spotify. Oh dear. I'm saying that as someone who wanted it to be good.

Boy this is bad.

I've seen a lot of people saying it sounds way more like the return of The Seahorses than The Stone Roses.

more like the current line-up of Hurricane #1 meets the cast of Jossie's Giants

though its not even fit to stand on their shoulder

its nothing like either

It's fucking horrible. Like a really really really weak Shack. Uergh.

It sounds like a pub rock version of Donovan basically

feel like you guys are just making up x ___version of y combos now

if Love Spreads was their Hash Pipe, then this must be Back To The Shack

I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HEAR THIS

Please don't. It's awful.

THIS SOUNDS LIKE ARGENT COVERING BELLE AND SEBASTIAN

NO WAIT, JEFF BUCKLEY DOING AN EDDIE AND THE HOT RODS B-SIDE

its nothing like either

― Odysseus,

Hurricane #1's single from last year https://youtu.be/Rj-lcOfJuw0

ON ACID

its like beyonce meets embrace

tho the chorus is a bit front line assembly meets en vogue

Heavy Stereo covering Genesis 'Calling All Stations' prod. by Pete Stanley & Paul Wiggs

Neu! crossed with M People

It really does sound like The Bluetones, The Seahorses and Hurricane #1 though. It's not as if those bands all have really different styles. They mainly made music that sounded like a poor man's Stone Roses and that's exactly what All For One is.

KP where is that Shack album? postponed indefinitely it seems

Didn't know there was anything being released?

This was even worse than you'd made it out to be.

main riff reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4PJW4R1ec

Oh wow, good spot!

The drums are just foul. Can't believe that's Reni.

It's an intro track, that's what it sounds like.

Hey, come to think of it, are there any Reni backing vocals?

yeah, the drums are fucking terrible, although when i listened to a few live youtubes earlier he sounded shitty there too :(

the lyrics belong in a donald trump ad tbh

has any guitarist descended more completely and disappointingly from relatively tasteful playing to tedious LEAD GUITAR bollocks as john squire?

Should have broken into a "Mexico will pay" refrain instead of that shitty guitar noodling.xp

Can someone please, Please, PLEASE round up all of these old '90s indie relics and put 'em in a fucking retirement home or something, where they can sit around and reminisce about how they once used to be "mad fer it" and talk about their shoes for the rest of their fucking lives!?

(Yes, I know The Stone Roses came out in '89, but still...)

85

Oh wait you meant the album

Yeah, I meant the album... their mid '80s work doesn't feel like the same band to me.

this is horrible. and what is this an advertisement for the Trump campaign?

Trump pretty much owns the word 'wall' now

'Trump rally' was my first thought too. appalling music.

Lol yes the Roses are Trumplings of course, good work everybody excellent insights

don't let's be beastly to the gurners

I've heard this song one and a bit times and I seem to know it.

that's because it does pretty much the same thing all the way through. it really feels like half a song written as an unfinished demo. the drums are really really really bad.

Ummm ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4PJW4R1ec

yeah zappi already pointed that out. some sort of subconscious steal? maybe the fall will become the new the beatles

Ah yes - should've checked the thread! I think it's a very conscious steal ...

all for one, one for all
if we all join hands, we can rip off the fall

NME are all over this

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7648/26379507284_d7ac257b10_z.jpg

http://www.nme.com/news/the-stone-roses/93540

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fookin shite doesn't even describe this.

People who think this is good; are they lying, deluded, or do they genuinely believe?

I'm going to have to listen to this aren't I?

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it's worth listening to just to feel safely sure that it is shite. there is no confusion, it's almost satisfying. that was shite. one listen. then you're done.

It did seem i'd have to buy the d/l to hear it, then someone said it's on Spotify, so that's a quid (or whatever) saved.

Sounds like a demo. It's an outrageous rip off of that Fall song, and the Fall song wasn't any good either. Also I kept being reminded of the band Tomorrow, but as I am going to make strenuous efforts never to hear it again, I cannot investigate the comparison further.

In my mother's Irish accent this wondrous event could be described as "a turd coming".

:D

Rare Unreleased 17 hours ago

I'm only 44 but I love this music

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:)

It's not THAT bad. It's just not that great either.

Turns out John did have *some* desire to desecrate that grave after all ...

also, the other thing I realized: the lyrics are bad, but when I think about them in context, as a commentary on the band itself and where they are in this moment in time, they make more sense-- especially as a lead single. still not good, mind you, but a bit more understandable.

Turns out John did have *some* desire to desecrate that grave after all ...

his first solo album was called "Time Changes Everything", so perhaps not a complete shock.

this ain't no Beady Eye

what a fuckin turd

It's not THAT bad. It's just not that great either.

yeah pretty much. it's so harmless I dunno why everyone is falling over themselves to destroy it.

on the other hand. it kinda sucks.

I have no idea why people are falling over themselves to be disappointed by this inconsequential song from a band who have always quietly gone about their business with no attending hype or mythology

Aside from "I Wanna Be Adored", this band is some of the biggest bullshit

it is that bad.

I'm not disappointed, I fully expected it to be shit. If anything, I'm quietly pleased that it is.

Actually, they have never been the band that gave owt for nowt. If this had been a free download and a "We're Back" type thing, then fine. But I more or less remember them being barely in their own videos, "Love Spreads" was invested by din't of being issued with a large fanfare and nothing else, and as for "Spike Island" why not set up stall some place impossible to get to and charge how much?

None of those things on their own are bad, just..

Aside from "I Wanna Be Adored", this band is some of the biggest bullshit

I also like "She Bangs the Drum", "Waterfall" and "Fools Gold".

Just seen (by me, anyway), this is coming out on 7" and CD single. (1st July)

B-sides? It doesn't say, but I expect nowt.

xpost I do like those three, never fussed about "adored"

I'm not disappointed, I fully expected it to be shit. If anything, I'm quietly pleased that it is.

i wasn't even going to listen to it but this pleasure you mention is what drew me towards it. it is fitting and right that this is terrible. a good bookend.

One for all and all for one
Muskerhounds are always ready

I'm seeing how long I can go without hearing this tbh

Don't worry, even if you do, you'll never think of it again.

I wonder if anyone has played this for the Trump campaign yet

I think the main problem with it is that it's Stone Roses in 'classic rock' mode, and not sure why anyone would want that. John Squire seems to be set against absolutely everything that made them briefly interesting in the late 90s. If you want to launch a comeback without offering either what you originally brought to the table or something new, then why even bother?

late 80s sorry, typo

Since when did ripping off a Fall b-side constitute an attempt at classic rock?

it lacks the groove and the funk which they brought to rock music

lol

It sounds nothing like a fall b-side, what? I mean same problem they had since Love Spreads, John Squire playing stale licks like it's 1974, no groove whatsoever.

The Fall song in question has been posted twice already on this thread.

Ah. Can't listen to YouTube links right now. Still, different problem.

Based on what I've observed over time, I think Brits view this band far differently than Americans and have a much bigger hurdle to jump over in terms of being able to listen them without an instinctual sense of contempt and disapproval. Over here in the US, we don't have all this baggy pants and media hype baggage to deal with, and we can hear them without all the attendant bullshit that came with their ascent. That's how I'm making sense of the out-of-scale hatred of this new song.

yes very otm

listened to it once on my phone and I thought it was fine if a bit repetitive. Of all of them, Ian Brown sounded the best.

there is the hype surround the band but, for me, there is also the fact that the self-titled album and a few songs either side of it are legitimately great and this is garbage

I don't think that we as Americans have been so isolated from the world that we can't identify plodding nonsense when we hear it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-xO72s5EBY&feature=youtu.be

kinda weirded out by how much this sounds like contemporary mercury rev

also fwiw I think both albums and most of their b-sides are incredible so perhaps I am more predisposed to this band than most

the only thing of theirs I genuinely thought was garbage was that Stairway to Heaven rip on Second Coming, I can't even remember what it's called I've tried to erase it from my memory

I think Brits view this band far differently than Americans and have a much bigger hurdle to jump over in terms of being able to listen them without an instinctual sense of contempt and disapproval

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I understand about half of that

john squire is a menace who should have his led zep albums burned, possibly in a pyre with him on top.

let's mix reni really low and not have any reni backing vocal, as if reni isn't the best thing about the band

yeah, i think the reni backing vocals are key to their best songs, even though many people might not notice them. his contributions in general are central to what made them work, even if they were understated contributions.

also-- can you guys articulate what exactly you hate about the drums on the new song? is it the playing or the mix or the EQing? They don't really strike me as being particularly bad.

me neither. it did strike me as a rhythm that doesn't particularly suit them, that old school R&B swing thing

All I know is that I've listened to this song twice and I have no desire to hear it again.

there was something irresistible about the s/t but even @ age 14 I intuited that this was some kind of miraculous one-off, not the work of a Great Band

I dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.

timing, of course, is the essence. Also, they did it, I did not.

yeah but would you mix it right and choose the right hat/anorak and is primal scream at the height of their popularity, etc

height of Primal Scream's popularity was a couple years later also lol yes anyone could write an album as good as the debut, which is why so many have amirite

god this thread is full of nonsense

at least I've heard a cool Fall song I've never heard before out of this

there was something irresistible about the s/t but even @ age 14 I intuited that this was some kind of miraculous one-off, not the work of a Great Band

if you're only familiar with the album, then you might be under the misapprehension that the S/T tells the whole story. There's another entire album worth of b-sides (that I'm pretty sure were recorded at a different time) that are as good as or better than anything of that album.

I dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.

I doubt that very much. I'd love to hear your music and make that assessment myself. I'd love to hear even one song as good as the worst song on that album, but to say anyone could crank out an album of "This the One"s or "I am the Ressurection"s or "She Bangs the Drums"s or "Waterfall"s, that just seems absurd. And yes, I realize this is a conversation about taste, but come on, this seems pretty silly.

rip van, exactly.

xp. they're talking total pish.

one of the worst mark g posts ive seen and that's saying something

i actually listened to the first album for the first time in a very long time recently. it still sounds pretty good. the pop catchiness of the songs definitely a strength. the second album was okay but not nearly as smooth a listen obviously. and nowhere near as good as the second suede album. the baggy dudes don't age well in general though. they are all kinda burnt from their party daze.

i checked out the new song on their youtube channel and yeah its pretty lame. but diehard fans will probably force themselves to love it. also just sound-quality-wise it sounds terrible on youtube. demo-ish.

That's exactly what i said upthread, it sounds like a demo.

I'm just being wacky, don't mind me.

because the songs are important, but only a quarter of what makes it

I'm trying to understand what the other 3/4s is, because I live in the US and didn't really discover them until about 1999 or so, so I didn't have any historical context or timing issues to consider. I think I just like the songs and the production?

anoraks, swagger

Anoraks?

This entire thread should explain it to any puzzled Americans

Y'know, for some reason this new track feels like an edited down version of something longer. I wouldn't be surprised if there turned out to be a much longer version of it. I agree that it sounds very demo-like too.

lol at eyeball kicks' pic in that thread. no way those dudes are wearing properly fitted shoes

Also sounds like an edit to me. Concise solidarity/good vibes number, musically it's in the vein of the first half of 'Standing Here,' but obv more energetic. I like it.

dunno, my position here is that I could make an album with 12 songs as good as that 1st album.
timing, of course, is the essence. Also, they did it, I did not.
― Mark G, Friday, May 13, 2016 1:19 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol this is all time, wow

all-time wrong.

not defending the band ever, just wrong.

My problem with All For One (All Bore One amirite) is that it feels so obvious. Like an Oasis demo, my wife said. What I love about the first album and the early stuff in general is the sense of menace and unpredictability. Their songs went in weird directions. They had real chemistry as a band, which I think just dissipated in all the years of not making records.

Like even on "Sally Cinnamon," the bridge gets all jagged, "Your eyes are gazing back from every little piece of glass," and then there's a whole raucous outro. The timing and dynamics are so fluid.

Awful One.

Standing Here is one of the tunes I immediately went to as contrast for why the new one is so bad! The drums are so supple and swinging, Squire's guitar is constantly varying from bar to bar, the melody goes in all sorts of directions. This just repeats repeats repeats, and not in a good way, in a horrible Stock Aitken Waterman 'open with the chorus three times' pub rock way.

you leave SAW out of this son

TBH if I was guaranteed fawning adulation regardless of quality I probably wouldn't make much of an effort either.

Good morning.

I made a fairly obscure point last night.

Sorry if it upset people who like the stone roses mor than they realise.

Short version: I did say 'could'

Long version maybe later, its the weekend and the sun is out.

People that possess more musical potential than The Stone Roses ever did:

Mark G and his washboard
My Pissed up dad playing his dusty old accordion
Mc Smilie freestyling outside Huddersfield job centre

diehard fans will probably force themselves to love it

Yup - this from a friend on FB

St_____ Mc________

Having listened to the new Stone Roses song constantly for the last 24 hours, I can honestly say it is quite possibly the best thing I've heard in the last 21 years.

haha. there's some absolute gold on Facebook.

Fool's Gold!

John Leckie on what happened to their chemistry during the long layoff:

"I worked on the second album (The Second Coming) for over a year and for various reasons I didn't finish it with them. I left of my own choosing so it's not a case of would I have liked to have finished it — no I wouldn't; they'd changed from being a unit. That bond didn't exist between them."

(From a good interview in the Quietus, which may be linked elsewhere in this thread but here it is: http://thequietus.com/articles/02579-stone-roses-radiohead-producer-john-leckie-on-that-album-the-trouble-with-kids-these-days)

The thing is, about half of Second Coming blows this track out of the water. It's been amazing to see the mixed reaction to this... it seems that most people that were arsed about it consider it a disappointment, and the rest are being comically angry about the negative reaction. I'm reading a lot of "What's with the negativity? This is the STONE FUCKING ROSES, and you're not, so shut the fuck up! This track will age like a fine wine!"

im kinda bored by it already. its a decent song but not amazing yet it couldve been so much worse. Im hoping the album version is longer and better

On a stereo at proper volume, sounds like the Who. Rock n roll. Swings plenty for me!

hi

Yeah, if he sings about being a wall a hundred more times and they throw in three more solos the song will really take off. Fingers crossed for that longer version.

Haha, Sleaford Mods dude is having it: "They wangled it I'm a victim" https://twitter.com/sleafordmods

I'm guessing this will go top ten in the 'nowadays meaningless' UK singles chart this Friday?

Played the debut album and a handful of the b-sides and singles surrounding it last night at record club. Given that there are two 40-something Mancunians in the party now it's baffling that we've never really spoken about them before.

Number 17

seeing a lot of "let's see you do better" type defences of the song online. I thought Roses fans would be above that

did you really? ha

actually can't think of a fanbase more likely to swallow any old load of turgid shit and get agro with detractors than roses obsessives

oasis

ocean colour scene

most bands

plenty of oasis fans accept that later oasis is crap, probably partly because of the fact that noel is quite outspoken with how bad he thinks a lot of that material is.

stone roses have a mythical quality that oasis and ocs (lol, just not a relevant band at all) can't touch.

I'm more than happy to defend the first two Oasis albums and their assorted B-sides. They would have been thought of a lot more fondly in the long term if they'd split up after Knebworth, I think. I'll never be able to find it in me to defend Ocean Colour Scene, though.

Likewise, I'm more than happy to defend the first Stone Roses album, quite a lot of Second Coming and the B-sides. I can't defend the new track at all.

Still, I was listening to Turns Into Stone recently, and even though it's a compilation of non-LP singles, B-sides and assorted stuff, I actually think it's their best album - better than the debut, even. The thing is, all this stuff probably took them less time to write and record than anything else they've done, which says it all.

the roses should have split after they released 'fool's gold' tbh

group suicide pact would have cemented their legacy

Dumpy's Rusty Nuts made the same mistake, they just keep chasing that magic.

DRN more relevant and enjoyable in 2016 tho tbf

It was pretty disrespectful of me to bring them up on this thread. I unreservedly apologise to all fans and members of DRN for doing so.

Fools Gold is so boring.

that chart placing seems really low but stone roses fandom probably heavily intersects with the commercially unreliable 'vacant, distracted middle aged men who don't know what day of the week it is' demographic

middle aged men don't buy individual tracks on itunes in any great number compared with you know, whoever buys Bieber or Drake this week. you can't get this on a CD single either (i'm guessing?). i'm not even sure if you *can* get it on a CD that it still then 'counts' toward the charts. it's also the reason rock is dead in the uk charts, it's the 'wait for the album to come out and buy it then' gang, while The Kids if they get it at all will get the album 'on vinyl'. i mean it even sounds weird; indie being bought as individual tracks on iTunes. i mean i wonder who does that?

No one because they can get it free on youtube

That's why. Also, the CD single is out next month.

actually can't think of a fanbase more likely to swallow any old load of turgid shit and get agro with detractors than roses obsessives

― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow)

I would have said Oasis would be the only competition but after seeing some of the deluded defenses for All For One and how some of their fans have taken the criticism so personally, I'd say this OTM. Someone who names them as his favourite band ever actually told me that he wasn't willing to argue with me as I had made my mind up about the song before I heard it which is one of the most hypocritical things anyone has ever said to me.

I can think of quite a few bands other than The Stone Roses and Oasis whose fans would go into total "wahhhhhhh!" mode if you even dared to criticise their stuff. Critically acclaimed bands, too.

most bands

It seems so much more intense with The Stone Roses though and some of the reactions I've seen to this particular single show people are kind of deluded. Cosmic Slop, I saw what you said on Facebook about people on here slagging off the song before they'd even heard it (which just wasn't true) and how you knew everyone on here would hate it, despite there being lots of people on here who really love them and wanted the song to be good. I just don't think it's fair to say things like that at all.

I don't mean to suggest you're as deluded as some of the people I've seen on Facebook but that was a really weird reaction to me.

xxpost:

Yeah, but it's especially true of long-running bands that have been around for a couple of decades and are long out of their "classic" period, I think. Although, to be fair, some long-running bands weather their post-"classic" years well and you'll always have fans of long-running bands who are aware that the "classic" period is over, yet are still happy to see their favourite band recording and touring, even if they're not the force they once were and hardly anyone outside the hardcore (sizeable or otherwise) gives a shit.

Occasionally, though, you'll meet fans of long-running bands who are long past their prime who'll get really upset at the idea that their favourite artist or band has entered a period of royally sucking, and get even more upset if someone even dares to point it out. Whether it's because they realise deep down that it's the case and refuse to acknowledge it because they can't bear the thought of the party being over, or whether they've climbed so far down the hardcore fan rabbit-hole to the point where everything said artist does sounds amazing to them, no matter how mediocre, is anyone's guess. I definitely think we're seeing that here, but I've seen it elsewhere for other bands too. Recently, too.

As for me, I like The Stone Roses and have quite a lot of time for them. I rate The Stone Roses, Turns Into Stone and quite a great deal of Second Coming. I didn't have any idea what 'All For One' was going to be like, and gave it a fair listen, and didn't like it. I would have liked to have heard a great new Stone Roses track, but 'All For One' isn't one, and I'm actually kinda appalled at how weak it is.

I'll still be giving the album a listen, though, if there is one.

Recently, too.

Turrican… are you still angry at people liking 'Music Complete'?

Ha, I'd forgotten about Music Complete! Nah, if I recall I warmed a little to that LP on my last go-round, mostly on the electronic stuff on the record and 'Academic' (a song that didn't make any impression on the first listen) came into its own a little. I'm not convinced that it's as great as, say, Technique or the first Electronic record, and I think the highlights of Get Ready and Waiting For The Sirens' Call are stronger, but it's got some decent stuff on it.

Besides, does anyone really think New Order are still the force they once were in the '80s?

Definitely not but that album was so much better than most people were expecting.

Also, I'm guessing you're directing some of that towards Super Furry Animals.

that chart placing seems really low but stone roses fandom probably heavily intersects with the commercially unreliable 'vacant, distracted middle aged men who don't know what day of the week it is' demographic

It's because the noisy, mythologising part of the Stone Roses fanbase doesn't actually want *new* music from them, it wants them to play a load of gigs that lean heavily on the first album it can pretend it's the summer of 1990 forever.

Also I had no idea that this film existed and holy fucking shit. I might do a double bill of Spike Island and One Night In Istanbul to see which is worse.

For some reason I thought Shane Meadows was responsible for that atrocity, an easy enough mistake to make when you take all his previous crimes into account.

guy who made Spike Island has an Oasis doc in the pipeline, sounds like a proper renaissance man

Was thinking about crowdfunding a Knebworth film starring James Nesbitt, Simon Pegg and Danny Dyer.

john simm

Ooh good one.

I want to see a doc about greasy rockers throwing warm bottles of piss at Meatloaf and Bonnie Tyler at Reading '89, that was the true spirit of the age.

Reading '79 you mean. By '89 it was all Butthole Surfers and Mudhoney.ie. Fun.

It was Reading '88 that Meatloaf and Bonnie Tyler got bottled at.

http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/reading-88.html

When you get to my age and have never actually attended a music festival, it's pretty good work just to be a year out!

i forgot about this, it's excellent. Bob Stanley on Spike Island

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2015/may/27/stone-roses-spike-island-the-reality

and the comments under it (seemingly ALL from Roses fans who were there) are very relevant to the above discussion from the past week! almost no one has a good word to say about the gig.

is this plot summary from the Spike Island movie wikipedia page accurate or just someone trolling?

Set in May 1990, the movie follows the exploits of five lads. Gary 'Tits' Tichfield, Darren 'Dodge' Howard, Chris 'Zippy' Weeks, 'Little' Gaz Duffy and 'Penfold' Andrew Peach. The Stone Roses fans and wannabe band Shadowcastre. It starts 60 hours prior to The Stone Roses legendary gig at Spike Island, Widnes, Cheshire. When the group get an idea to give The Stone Roses their cassette tape from Sally a girl which both 'Tits' and 'Dodge' show interest in, although 'Dodge' has never spoken to her. They hatch a plan to get tickets to the gig and kickstart their career 'Tits' brother 'Ibiza Steve' gets the boys on the guest-list for the gig. But when 'Tits' dad gets increasingly ill during the 60 hours, he fails to turn up and on the morning of the gig his dad worsens but his dad tells 'Tits' to go to the gig.'Penfolds' dad burns his top in an effort to stop him from going and when he goes to hit him 'Penfolds' stands up to his dad after his dad has been abusing him and heads to the gig. They lure 'Uncle Hairy' out of his van and steal it but when they run out of gas they have to stop but 'Penfold' convinces them to walk to the M6. They hide in the baggage hold of the bus until they arrive at Spike Island. Once arrived they jump out of their hiding place and are chased by police and the bus driver but lose them in the crowd. They lose 'Penfold' and are unable to find him, so they carry on to the entry zone. But are thrown away because they don't have tickets and they don't have guestlists. The remaining 4 make their way to the outside of the venue. They meet Sally who has lost her friends in the crowd and doesn't want to go in alone and gives 'Dodge' her ticket.'Dodge' heads for the gig without the cassette tape because he was afraid "to fuck it up". On his way back to the boys, he sees Sally and 'Tits' hooking up. 'Tits' and 'Dodge' later argue but when 'Tits' dad eventually dies they make up. At the end of the movie it's shown that 'Tits' and Sally are together and all the boys have moved on as School has finished. The ending scene shows 'Tits' and looking at 'Dodge' from his window while 'Dodge' walks down the lane with his guitar and bags.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_Island_(film)

http://www.richardhellergallery.com/dynamic/images/display/44_19_TITSDETAIL.jpg

I think its the prequel for the Seahorses' "Love is the Law"

Cast overview, first billed only:

Elliott Tittensor ... Tits

But are thrown away because they don't have tickets and they don't have guestlists

fookin binned

i like the way the summary is written in the style of "your 7-year-old nephew telling you about a movie he has seen"

They were atrocious when I saw em at Feile '95

Listening to Turns Into Stone again and finding myself hitting repeat on 'Where Angels Play'... it's amazing to think that this song originally wasn't meant to come out - it's brilliant, possibly my favourite ever song of theirs. Particularly love the drumming throughout this track (that shuffle on the hi-hat!) and the outro, wish I always wish would go on for longer.

Fools Gold is absolutely classic, can't nobody deny that.

I bought the album cuz of Fools Gold and was taken aback by all the chimey birds/Beatles stuff.. Fell in love with repeated listens. Curtain call for 80s dreamy guitar pop

Pay attention to the basswork on "Where Angels Play" too. Mani is such an underrated bass player too. In fact, as a rhythm section, the Mani/Reni combo is pretty phenomenal. Complex but surprisingly subtle.

Fools Gold is absolutely classic, can't nobody deny that.

― lute bro (brimstead), Monday, May 23, 2016 8:56 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fools Gold is so boring.

― Matt DC, Saturday, May 21, 2016 12:02 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

'Elephant Stone' is my fave off the Turns Into Stone comp. great bass and drums on that one too

Turns into Stone is phenomenal. I think The Complete Stone Roses is slightly better because it has a couple other great songs that aren't on Turns into Stone, like "Across the Sands" and "Sally Cinnamon." Also, some copies came with what I think is their best backwards track, "I am Without Shoes," which genuinely sends shivers down my spine.

favourite non-Roses Mani moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5P3xQeN2YA

that version in particular.

John Leckie not being involved with the new album is a major red flag

I don't think the production is the problem

actually can't think of a fanbase more likely to swallow any old load of turgid shit and get agro with detractors than roses obsessives

― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow)

Beyonce

otm

Back of the net.

shhhh you cant say that on ilm

actually can't think of a fanbase more likely to swallow any old load of turgid shit and get agro with detractors than roses obsessives

― the unbearable jimmy smits (jim in glasgow)

Beyonce

― Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Wednesday, May 25, 2016 1:53 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im not touching that with a bargepole

They got to you too?

Which is the most cunty beyonce thread and i will c&p the above to it

What's she done that qualifies as a "load of turgid shit", tho?

Not itt

I bet you'd make a cracking guest on Desert Island Discs:p

Id do my best to entertain but id imagine youd do a fair bit of damage yourself!

I just heard All for One now. More plodding and uninspiring than a 3rd single from an 00s Oasis album.

The Beyonce example doesn't work as a lot of her fans think her first and third albums are really weak and the new material on the self titled reissue was poorly received too. It's only really her latest three albums that have been hugely popular. The Stone Roses qualify as the comments to this new single range from bizarre acts of loyalty, "it's the best song I've heard in 22 years" to finding ridiculous reasons why people are against it, "people are slagging it off before they've even heard it" and "where's your band if you think you can do better?". I've never seen any Beyonce fans search for reasons like that.

so their shows at the Etihad have Public Enemy on the bill

Ian's a massive fanboy.

The Beyonce example doesn't work as a lot of her fans think her first and third albums are really weak and the new material on the self titled reissue was poorly received too. It's only really her latest three albums that have been hugely popular. The Stone Roses qualify as the comments to this new single range from bizarre acts of loyalty, "it's the best song I've heard in 22 years" to finding ridiculous reasons why people are against it, "people are slagging it off before they've even heard it" and "where's your band if you think you can do better?". I've never seen any Beyonce fans search for reasons like that.

― Kitchen Person, Friday, 27 May 2016 01:28 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is the stone roses thread

i know i can smell it from here

Wake up, boo

This whole argument makes absolute sense because both Stone Roses albums are indisputably held in equally high esteem.

I remember meeting Bob Stanley at Spike Island, he was a friend of a friend. I had to ask him three times what the name of his new band was, and finally just nodded and pretended I had understood. "Sainytain" or something like that. The day was a bit underwhelming, I wandered around on my own for hours on end, slightly stoned and dehydrated, and by the time the band was finally on, had developed a full on migraine. I enjoyed the gig, but it's not a great memory.

Seeing quite a few Avalanches fans in denial this week.

So, last week it was number 17, this week..

they're doing a show with Public Enemy.

all for one is better than frankie Sinatra

one of the only complimentary things you can say about all for one

has anyone heard if they might do a gig or tour with Public Enemy?

that seems like such a weird bill.

It might figure it might be easier for PE to book a tour with old late 80s and 90s rock bands in bigger halls than somehow tour with modern hip hop groups. The fans of the Stone Roses etc. probably bought a big portion of Public Enemy's records.

new single tonight at midnight

what are the odds that it sounds like a trashbag

can it repeat the barnstorming chart success of uh whatever the last one was called

This one is called "Beautiful Thing"

really happy to see you guys preemptively hating on this

no you're right we should give this band who have done nothing of worth in more than 20 years and whose last single was a quarter-arsed ripoff of a fall song a fair hearing - this one could be an earthshattering return to form

I hope it's a U2 pastiche

'where the steals have no shame'

Promising title.

I don't disagree that the last song wasn't spectacular, but it kind of just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about this band. i think it's entirely possible for them to have a good song.

it's allegedly 7 minutes long...

I don't expect it to be anything great, but I'll still give it a listen.

7 minutes long? Hmm.

It's a bit much to ask of anyone.

it kind of just seems like you have a chip on your shoulder about this band

i do! they had a few years nearly three decades ago when they produced a one album and a handful of b-sides which were genuinely really good. in an ideal world, that should have been their legacy but instead they're crawling back 20 years after a disappointing second album with a massively diminished rhythm section, a guitarist who has forgotten everything he ever learned about restraint and taste, and a singer whose greatest contributions to music has turned out to be teaching liam gallagher to walk like a chimp.

Hear hear.

I'll still download the new one.

It'll be a 7 minute guitar solo, you know, not a rare groove thing.

i do! they had a few years nearly three decades ago when they produced a one album and a handful of b-sides which were genuinely really good. in an ideal world, that should have been their legacy but instead they're crawling back 20 years after a disappointing second album with a massively diminished rhythm section, a guitarist who has forgotten everything he ever learned about restraint and taste, and a singer whose greatest contributions to music has turned out to be teaching liam gallagher to walk like a chimp.

you left out insulting mani

do you know what a rhythm section is

yeah, but i assumed you were just talking about how Reni's drumming is allegedly subpar now. I haven't heard anyone rip on Mani's bass playing specifically. Do you have a specific complaint about his bassery?

Mani's great on those Primal Scream records

He's not a miracle worker though.

http://louderthanwar.com/stone-roses-halifax-live-review/

i ready to believe there is still a chance ..

(just .. )

true.

I don't really understand the impulse to say people shouldn't make music anymore because they made some good music 20 years ago and shouldn't "tarnish their legacy" or whatever. musicians gotta play music, it's a thing they do.

xp

Good that they got someone who is in no way a Stone Roses fan to review the gig.

Browns vocals are too-often criticised by those who don’t get the reality of Madchester revivalism

dear lord

I wouldn't write a review that breathlessly orgasmic about sex, let alone a concert

@djp : harsh.
the reviewer was clearly overcome with the experience.
i totally understand that emotional excess re a gig.
in fact i would love to feel that rush again.

feel bad for posting the link now.

Oh no, I enjoyed reading it!

I... did not.

i read that in Tommy Wiseau's voice.

...and it's out!

It's very Love Spreads.

Right, let's give this rubbish a listen...

not available over here yet :(

It needs less John Squire and the chorus gets a bit annoying after the 10th time but it is an improvement over All For One.

It's so Love Spreads we were sitting here singing the lyrics to Love Spreads over the top of it.

It's better than the last one.

It is like Love Spreads but even more like Breaking Into Heaven.

ah here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCk34IVVgcc&app=desktop

much better, yeah. all for one wore off after a few days for me

feelin this one

It's nothing like 'Love Spreads', IMO, more like a less excessive 'Breaking Into Heaven'

Anyway, after being sorely disappointed with 'All For One', I liked this one - probably because it sounds like The Stone Roses and doesn't sound like a Seahorses cast-off.

makes me realize how much I miss good guitarists

I saw people saying how they were relieved how they haven't repeated the formula of the first album but how do they feel about them repeating the formula of The Second Coming as that's what they've done here.

breaking into heaven is a good call. I loved the second coming so im all for that kinda sound mixed with fools gold.

love the guitar sound on this song too (the best thing about all for one) but the rhythm section im feeling a LOT more on this one.

Unsurprisingly i love it when the roses do funky

I love the Second Coming

It sounds like a halfway house between the post-S/T groove stuff and Second Coming's Zeppelinisms. There's much less guitar wankery here.

yeah this feels more restrained than Breaking Into Heaven for ex., but there's a lot of little details in the guitars

listening now and picturing loads of bucket hats on their way to the bar/bogs

Brown's voice sounds better on this track than on any track of Second Coming, too!

(x-post to Shakey)

will need a few listens to judge but im not sure how it works as an actual single might be more of a good album track?

Brown's voice sounds better on this track than on any track of Second Coming, too!

Technology has come on leaps and bounds since whenever that was.

It has a kind of "back half of side 2" vibe to it, yeah, but this has at least got me feeling optimistic for the album.

xpost Yeah, it's interesting that I've seen so many people proclaim them as the return of real music to save us from all this manufactured pop rubbish (not on here obviously), but his voice will have been auto-tuned as much as any pop band, if not more.

I'm hoping for more of the groove/funk oriented stuff on the LP. I'm guessing Shakey and Cosmic Slop are too.

it's a thing they're good at, but I like all their sides tbh. for ex. my favorite thing on Second Coming is probably "Your Star Will Shine"

the only songs i dont care for on the second coming are the 2 shitty ballads in the middle of it

i wonder if there will be a 3rd single before the album that is more like the debut album? that would ensure great sales i reckon.
Remember a lot the 1st album fans only liked ten storey love song as it was 60s pop not funk or led zep/hendrix/funkadelic rock

for all the love fools gold gets im pretty damn sure an album like that instead of what the second coming was wouldve still went down like a lead balloon with some of the 1st stone roses album lovers I know.

Wish it were longer, but 7 minutes is awesome. I'll take it. What a pleasure. They have their money, they don't need to do this for anything but the pleasure of doing it, which is a great place to be... For me it's right there between Breaking Into Heaven and Ian's second album, which gestured at this sort of approach but of course he didn't have musicians of this caliber/togetherness/history. Psychedelic groove cool preacher mode. I understand that maybe it doesn't mean anything to anyone but the already converted, and that's totally understandable there is a sweet redemption around this song (moreso than the first comeback single, which I liked) because it somehow really does pick up a baton that was dropped by this same relay team 25 years ago. Crazy.

sorry if that's too cheesy for some but that's where i'm at

Well that's a bit better.

The faintly ridiculous nature of a midnight release on a Thursday means that my first listen to it was whilst sitting on the toilet at 7am, through my phone's speaker. Nora had a little dance to it on the bath mat.

I'm sort-of of the opinion that I might leave this until the album comes out.

Put it this way: Was "All for one" unavoidable? I heard it once, and felt it was some sort of intro rather than a stand-alone album track, let alone a single.

The new one feels like they wrote an ingredients list of what makes the Stone Roses good and then sellotaped all the different bits together. 'Funky' drumbeat. Wah-wah guitar licks. Backwards bit. Lyrics with vague biblical allusions. Crawling deep bassline. Ian Brown whispering a bit.

Not keen on the mix, which is a bit leaden. It sounds a bit like the Second Coming b-sides, rather than like the stuff after the debut album.

it's not too bad (but not particularly interesting either) and quite similar to "breaking into heaven" indeed.
the best thing about it might be that it sounds good.
as someone said upthread, the chorus gets a bit irritating after a while, though... and the song is much too long !

no stone roses song is too long

Delete your account.

Not bad, definitely has a Second Coming sort of feel to it. Probably would have worked better as the lead single than "All for One." I am still hoping for a new one that sounds more like classic Roses though.

I doubt that will happen as the main songwriting force of the band has clearly lost it a loooong time ago (and I like some tracks on Second Coming... even the zep extravaganza !).
At this point, it's already a success to release something that's not totally crap.
thinking about the oasis/roses link : I'm not sure but I don't think oasis have ever been tempted by the funk/groove influence of the stone roses.

This is about a billion times better than "All for One"

This song is really bad. The chorus is unbearable.

and the thing is, somehow, they've managed to repeat it a lot more than in a usual songwriting structure.
it's like 122 chorus and 3 verses.

maybe what you're calling the verse is the chorus.

Excellent songwriting chops there, guys.

xxxpost:

I thought exactly the same about the last Super Furry Animals single, to be fair.

Giving this another listen now and still enjoying it.

Lots of bottom in this, youtube and my imac don't really pick it up tho'. Loving this. 'Songwriting chops' skeptics ... not even going to start with you guys.

This may grow on me, but for now it seems an improvement on "All for One" only in being merely dull rather than embarrassing.

Yeah, that's about all I'd say for it. I loved them 20 years ago, but now I'm just not interested on what they're likely to do based on these two songs. I'll probably buy the album that emerges out of some sense of misplaced loyalty, but I can't imagine enjoying it massively.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByiTnHSCIAAx-n8.jpg

The last one sounded like the Seahorses, this one sounds like Ian Brown's solo stuff. They both sound like pretty much the most predictable things they could have recorded.

I am confused about why they would put a black bar over someone's eyes and then also post their last name and location.

I don't know what people are expecting... do you want them to not sound like themselves just to be "less predictable"?

soo.... they just played Madison Square Garden? I had no idea they were even coming to the US, looks like the whole set's already up on youtube

hahaha, my friend was texting me photos of Ian Brown last night and I was like "WTF are you doing?" and it turns out he was in the front row at this show. I had no idea. Apparently they sounded pretty damn good.

I watched a bit, Fools Gold sounded good

Are there seriously enough NY Stone Roses fans to fill Madison Square Garden?

Only stateside show. My friend came up from DC to see it, so it was basically all the East Cost Stone Roses fans in attendance.

They probably could've filled the Hollywood Bowl.

I could use a new Stone Roses album to redeem this shitty year

But if it was crap it would make it worse

iirc shakey liked the new tracks

I did too but was just saying

well yer both wrong they were muck lol

I just got around to watching Made of Stone (dunno why I waited so long) and it reinstilled some faith in these guys. I like the two new tracks

I'd be all over a new Stone Roses record if it leaned towards their more groove/funk-oriented stuff. 'Beautiful Thing' has grown on me a lot.

... how's that new album coming along?

prediction: they won't make it as they probably are at each other's throats and since the two tracks they released were total bobbins odds on the rest is complete dreck.

some more payday gigs then back to being broken up

I assumed they put out the single, nobody liked it (apart from Shakey), so they thought, "Fuck this for a game of soldiers, let's not bother then".

they announced they'd split last week btw, in case yers didn't get the memo.

LOL. Perfect.

I find it hard to believe any one could sincerely say All For One is a good song. Internal conflicts aside, it truly sounds career-dismantling

Well, it's more that people are interpreting some comments Ian Brown made from the stage on the last date of their tour as saying the band were splitting, rather than them coming out and saying "we are splitting" ...

'All For One' wasn't very good, but I liked 'Beautiful Thing'

I wouldn't imagine it would be easy to stick that song on an album after the beating it took. But the split is probably because Reni is a nightmare

Ian Brown ‎– First World Problems (From the album "Ripples")

So, I guess Ian's given up w/band.

The guy who had to fix Ian's vocals on this track deserves a medal.

uh this is "Loaded"

Fool’s Gold is one of those love it or hate it songs huh? There’s another thread on ILM posted upthread where everyone seems to hate it passionately.

I didn’t care much for it but I fell in love with it being young and dancing to it in Barcelona’s Sidecar. I was only an hour or so in there.. maybe it was the night, maybe the dj, maybe I was too young to know any better, but the songs he played all felt very exciting to me despite knowing them beforehand.

He also played This Charming Man by the Smiths. whichj remind me: This might sound like total bollocks it to many in here but I think I prefer the Stone Roses debut to any of The Smiths albums. It rocks in ways the Smiths never did for me and I don’t care for Morrisey as a lyricist either way.

Fool's Gold is all-time great

It is, but an all-time great track that I'm not sure I ever need to hear again at this point.

i came to love the s.t, but i was disappointed when i first bought it and there was nothing as righteously pure-groove and melody-less as "fools gold"

I never, ever get tired of the s/t album.

i was listening to the SR debut over and over in the car for a few days last month and it still sounded just as great as ever. i've always had the weird US version that ends w/ "fools gold" and i kinda can't imagine it not ending that way. i might love "what the world is waiting for" even more though.

U.S. version has 7" version "elephant stone" too which is crucial

NO LOCKDOWN NO TESTS NO TRACKS NO MASKS NO VAX #researchanddestroy

— Ian Brown (@ianbrown) September 5, 2020

Fool's Old

can't even remember this fool, is he from Shed 7?

The plot thickens:

Wear a mask. stay safe. Look after yourself and others#morecambeandwise

— JohnSquire_Artist (@JohnsquireA) September 5, 2020

has Bez weighed in lately?

So, half an hour later then?

xp

he needs to get in the queue, it's Dermo from Northside's go next!

Wonder what Talbot makes of this

So im a Conspiracy Theorist HA! a term invented by the lame stream media to discredit those who can smell and see through the government/media lies and propaganda #researchanddestroy

— Ian Brown (@ianbrown) September 14, 2020

tbf he was always a buffoon and this hasn't ruined his terrible band for me

great band, idiot singer. Its quite common.

"not a conspiracy theorist"

You're not a conspiracy theorist, you've joined an ever growing group of people that believe in researching and thinking for yourself. Covid is about control and compliance and mandating the vaccine that will use nano technology for mass surveillance. The Great Reset they call it

— Karl Watchtay7 (@kvwatchtay7) September 14, 2020

Idiot bassist too

Mani strode on stage and dedicated the first song to Serbian warlord Arkan, who was, apparently, “rubbed out by the CIA and MI5”.

they were worthless shitty no-marks back then that inexplicably got lucky and nothing has changed. But lol at "lame stream media"!

I never got the Sex Pistols references with this band until I heard Garage Flower and it all made sense

yada yada IMPLEMENTING MASS SURVEILLANCE!!!!!

. . .says the man through his piece of technology he willingly holds in his hand that has a microphone, two cameras, a network connection, and countless bytes of personal data contained in it.

but yeah, it's "the vaccine" that's going spy on you.

I’m throwing stones at you man

I’ve got bad intentions!

this is a great live version of 'waterfall'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt3Hnu66sbo

Awesome drumming

had forgotten all about Cressa, wonder what happened to him

Just read Simon Spence's excellent book on the band... Wilson had them on OSM only because someone else had dropped out.

that rules, thanks for posting that, swanswan

hug, I had no idea they had their own dancing dummy.

yeah, had to share, the live drumming, particularly the outro make it a fresh as a daisy take on the song, fierce and dreamy at the same time. I wish I saw them starting out

Reni is so great. I love the story about how Pete Townshend tried to hire him after his first Stone Roses gig.

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII’ve got bad intentions

The new album (Liam and John) has some great moments. The last two songs are wonderful. I suppose (some of) these are what would have been the Roses album? Who knows, I just love hearing RRRRAAAAAAYYYYNNNNBBBBAAAOOOWWWWWW

If only Mani or Pedi were involved

https://i.imgur.com/URXMfsF.png

Personal history may bias my opinion of the Stone Roses.

Tapes...yes tapes...of the debut album, as well as Disintegration and a ridiculously overpriced After The Gold Rush (which I bought in a gas station in Spain), made a bus tour of Europe in 1989 tolerable from a musical point of view.

Still a 4 1/2 star album for me.

ps. Neither Fool's Gold nor Elephant Stone were part of that original release. A compilation of these songs, as well other b-sides from that era make Second Coming seem like a bad joke.

Tbh this is a dud. Half of it's shit and the other half I perhaps unfairly blame for a lot of stuff I hate about the UK indie scene and even the good stuff is so overplayed I don't really need to hear it again

itt I tell the Stone Roses to fuck off in 2024. Finger on the pulse mw

My apologies Colon Poo.

You have much better taste in music than I do...

haha I definitely don't

I first heard this album in high school about 1999 and man I was completely totally 100% obsessed. “OMG! Best album ever!”, etc. As an American I missed all the cultural baggage associated with it and all the shitty music it influenced. I think that helped a bit. And of course the version I bought had “Elephant Stone” and “Fools Gold” tacked on, so I got more of a greatest hits album. Now it’s 25 years later and I am listening to it now and it still sounds pretty goddamn perfect. John Squire is the star of the show: the chiming arpeggiated riffs just keep coming at you over and over again and yet the guitar never overpowers the songs - easily one of the best rock guitarists I’ve heard. Shame that he obviously used up his entire bag of tricks on this one album. Didn’t they spend like eight years in between the time they formed and the time they released the album? Perfectionist bastards.

Agree that the album still sounds good and I also think that Fool's Gold/Something's Burning were a great next step forward which was totally forgotten by the time of the disastrous second album. I'm still surprised that Oasis are taken seriously as something amazing as opposed to this. Marr's autobiography (he is a huge hometown booster) totally ignores them (and the Mondays too I think).

Yes it’s still a fucking great album and anyone who doesn’t like “fools gold” is not to be trusted

the second coming is quite underrated. Take out 2 of the acoustic tracks in the middle and it'd be great.

Second Coming had great b-sides as well, particularly the ones that were recorded after the album was completed. Would love a deluxe reissue

thread that makes me realise I shouldn't be trusted!

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-abcvwJ2S_/ (their instagram is really cool)

Reni

Second Coming had great b-sides as well, particularly the ones that were recorded after the album was completed. Would love a deluxe reissue

Reni agree

There're ok the problem is everything that came before Second Coming, including some of those legendary B-sides, were just better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8X2NCecczc

“Chike me / smoke the air…”

Reni has enough feel for three bands --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXS1G1nk6s

Thanks, I’ve listened to these b-sides and yeah they’re ok.
I still like this album a lot and listen to it every now and then. There isn’t a track I don’t like actually. Maybe « Tears » with the guitar solos which are a bridge too far past the Led Zep line. « Love Spreads » and « Breaking into heaven » are monsters !

Reni has enough feel for three bands --- 📹

the thread of a deficit of discovery

The youtube clip is great! What year is that from?

Reni has enough feel for three bands

A totally under-heralded drummer.

xp Rehearsals for the first of the 2012-era gigs so must be early 2012, it's from the Shane Meadows film, which i'm *in* at one brief point.

A totally under-heralded drummer.

I dunno... seems like he gets singled out for praise in just about everything I've ever read about this band over the years.

I seem to recall all of three of the musicians getting praised as musicians in a way a lot of their peers didn't really get praised.

In indie circles but they don't have the name recognition among the public (or record sales) that the likes of Oasis have.

For sure, but no one praised, for example, Oasis's rhythm section.

I was talking as musicians. As in, guitar hero John Squire, a phrase I probably heard before I heard the band.

When the first album came out John Squire definitely had a reputation among NME readers

Manchester United and The Stone Roses team up for new Adidas collection
https://www.nme.com/news/music/manchester-united-the-stone-roses-team-up-for-new-adidas-collection-3925874

overrated bunch of chancers that has only appealed to nostalgic dullards for the last decade teams up with the Stone Roses

about as appetising as a Skrewdriver/Millwall commercial partnership. Or just any of this bullshit tbh! Ian Brown in a penalty shootout against VACCINES!!