Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

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We have an outbreak thread but this one is meant as safe space for commiserating along the lines of "My bodega is out of toilet paper" or "I hyperventilated in the shower today because I'm afraid it's all over" or "I'm genuinely scared for my grandmother" and/or - god forbid - to be upgraded to more serious problems as necessary.

Personal experiences welcome, geopolitics are not. Please be kind.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:50 (three months ago) link

One of the elementary schools that’s a feeder to mine just had its first confirmed case. I’m not looking forward to the finger-pointing and speculation that’ll ensue tomorrow.

― rb (soda), Sunday, March 8, 2020 10:49 PM

I still do occasional supply/substitute work at my old school, including two days last week. They just had a family return there from two weeks in Rome. None of the teachers seemed visibly concerned, although who knows. At some point, I have to believe school closures will be widespread.

clemenza, Monday, 9 March 2020 03:55 (three months ago) link

I went to the Museum of Natural History in NYC today and when i asked the friendly lady manning the non-existent line at the butterfly exhibit "is this a REALLY light turnout for a Sunday," she laughed and said "Oh absolutely. But it's like 55 degrees out and daylight savings so it's not too surprising" and then both of us apparently agreed to not say "and also the pandemic."

I'm getting a Wile E Coyote feeling that the moment of tuna tartare tacos and free jazz at the club on Sunday night may be only allowable until i look down and existential dread and fear of a panicking metropolis is starting to gain steam. Called my mom to tell her she was going to hear a lot of scary things in the next few weeks but that I would do my best to keep it together and not to worry and she suggested I get toilet paper and lentils.

for those stressing, I'm hoping you will please take a few deep breaths (from six meters away) and strive to be human and i will try to do the same.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:58 (three months ago) link

I don't feel excessively stressed, but every time I try to talk to my wife and kid about this they seem worryingly nonchalant about it all. Not sure how to convince them to take it seriously without coming off as a crackpot.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:00 (three months ago) link

You could try telling them that the point of taking precautions like extra hand washing isn't about them saving themselves from getting sick, because kids and young adults tend not to be drastically ill and you aren't so worried about them. Tell them it is about being responsible for not making others horribly sick, like old people and people with chronic health problems - who tend to be kind of invisible in society, who could die or suffer lasting damage from this virus. It might work.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:53 (three months ago) link

Anybody having any luck not touching their face? A friend who used to be a model says she had to learn it to avoid ruining her makeup but that's not really an option in my line of work.

Fetchboy, Monday, 9 March 2020 05:19 (three months ago) link

it's hard! I just have a habit of doing it and I don't even notice when I'm doing it.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 05:38 (three months ago) link

When I do feel stressed it's salutary to remember EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET has pretty much the same reason to be stressed about it, and I am not special or especially threatened.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 9 March 2020 06:53 (three months ago) link

I am really struggling with the not touching my face thing. A Doctor friend said one of the biggest benefits of wearing a mask is to make it much harder to touch your face, or at least the nose and mouth. (although I feel like its going to take a full face motor bike helmet to stop me from touching mine)

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 07:11 (three months ago) link

30 cases in Portugal, which while low is I think higher than average. No shortages of toilet paper or sanitizer or anything else. Doesn't really seem to be registering in the same way as in US/UK.

I went to a coding meetup last thursday and there were maybe fewer people than expected. It didn't occur to me turnout might have been coronavirus related until yesterday.

cherry blossom, Monday, 9 March 2020 07:17 (three months ago) link

further cases of desperately needing to scratch an itch on my nose have resulted from not being able to touch my face

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 08:21 (three months ago) link

Have been wondering if any of the arts festivals this year are actually going to happen. There have been some cancellations of opening events because of the weather and now this may mean large gatherings aren't allowed later in the year.
So maybe the 2 events last weekend are going to be about it. I volunteered for the opening of Tulca which was on as part of several events over Galway 2020 when it's normally a festival in November. Then went to am opening that was part of the actual Galway 2020 set up or at least had volunteers with I'd saying Galway 2020 not the gallery name.

Just seen the headlines for an article in the irish independent repeating some of the myths including some of what Trump has been saying. Not sure how good that paper ever is as a news source since it seems to follow it's owner's agenda.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:42 (three months ago) link

after about the 10th attempt I've finally learned how to pronounce the word "epidemiologist" properly, now got my chat authoritative sounding shit bout COVID-19 card.

calzino, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:49 (three months ago) link

hell of a time to have a really intense sinus headache

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 08:50 (three months ago) link

A Doctor friend said one of the biggest benefits of wearing a mask is to make it much harder to touch your face, or at least the nose and mouth.

My buddy is an ER doc and recommends against wearing a facemask. He wrote a really good article, "As an ER Doctor, I Need You to Know These Things About Coronavirus": https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/884d35/er-doctor-healthcare-workers-coronavirus

davey, Monday, 9 March 2020 10:12 (three months ago) link

good article davey, i'm already planning on sharing it with one of my more fearmongering friends

the beginning of last week was tough, not because of the disease itself, but because of the panic. i'm a bit hypochondriac, have some fairly nasty paranoid tendencies, and have panic disorder. this has been hard for me. on the other side of it i do work for a healthcare organization, though not in direct patient care, so i do have access to reliable information. i've also shut off most forms of social and other media (years ago) and, at least when it comes to stuff relating to my profession, am decent at understanding what is reliable information and what isn't.

the panic comes in waves, and though i try not to let it affect me i feel like it's important for me to at least acknowledge what i'm feeling, acknowledge what's going on around me. the way people are talking, the nervous jokes (deflecting with humour)

i fairly quickly concluded when shit got real that i was probably going to get COVID-19, probably sooner rather than later, and i was probably not going to die from it, and while i still take safety precautions the idea that we could effectively halt the spread of this in it tracks never struck me as particularly plausible.

there's a certain balancing act going on here - on the one hand not giving in to the panic, which is for me personally probably a greater threat than COVID-19, and on the other hand not working on diminishing what is absolutely a global public health crisis. human beings aren't necessarily good at dealing with crisis, aren't necessarily good at differentiating "ok this is a serious and major thing and we have to address this seriously" from "OMG we're all gonna die".

on a personal level, i'm going to be fine, most of the people i know are going to be fine. i have one co-worker i worry about; she's young (barely sixty) but is in pretty poor health and has a lot of trouble breathing. that's part of "taking this seriously", thinking about the very real possibility that a person or people i care about will die from this. on the flip side maybe nobody i know well will die from this, it'll just be musicians i like and whatnot.

i'm weirdly enough more inclined to leave the house since it's started getting serious. i can and often do work from home, and i figure it's only a matter of time before the company i work for starts asking me to. i'm expecting cabin fever, and leaving the house while i can will hopefully minimize it.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 9 March 2020 10:59 (three months ago) link

honestly as a data analyst i'm really worried about that 3.4% number i see going around, and i'm not sure darragh does a great job on that front - he cites a number of 0.06% but then later on cites an overall mortality rate of 2.3%. this is some pretty wonky stuff, the difference between case mortality and overall mortality, and it's tempting to get into an extremely wonky argument about statistical methodology, but i don't see that argument remotely being productive. statistics, in a situation like this, seem mostly totemic in nature, either a ward or an excuse for panic. i don't cite numbers or percentages when talking to other people.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:11 (three months ago) link

Find it very hard to avoid touching my face. Have taken to tying my hair back on the way to/from work to avoid needing to put my hands near my face, also less keen on using self-checkouts & other people seem to do the same. I don’t go to Starbucks but other people have told me they won’t accept people’s own cups anymore, so I’ve stopped bringing my folding cup with me.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:16 (three months ago) link

Toilet roll thing is hitting here. Panic buyers clearing teh shelves. Hope it is just a temporary thing but not sure exactly where the supply levels lie wherever they're getting them from. I assume it is going to return to normal and not be blocked by international exchange somewhere down the line. people not trading the necessary commodities that go into the production etc.

I mean if society is going to collapse i would hope it would be with clean bums. Maybe we need a rise in bidet production?
THink somebody I know had a hose bidet substitute tehy got cheap in Dublin on Facebook last week. Maybe that's the future?

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

Luckily I’m already obsessive about not touching my face with unwashed hands / not touching other things after touching my face.

honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:00 (three months ago) link

What’s with the toilet paper thing?

honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:00 (three months ago) link

Panicked people incessantly shitting themselves, I assume.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:03 (three months ago) link

As a person with a chronic lung disease I am:

- increasingly worried that this will hit me hard and at best will further damage my lungs and shorten my life
- pissed off with people growling at me because I cough a lot and they think I'm part of the plague
- a complete hypocrite who growls at everyone else with a cough as I'm scared that they have the plague
- thinking about the benefits of self-isolation in terms of reading and video games :)

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

xpost The best I can tell it's people worried they'll be stuck inside with ... not enough toiler paper to last two weeks?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

Def. have noticed places out of hand sanitizer, and signs limiting purchases. Also other signs, like the one at the vet this morning declaring it a "no handshake zone." Proactively and helpfully, all of our doctors, dentists, etc. have sent out texts and messengers saying, please, if you're sick, stay home. (And affirming that that is always appreciated).

I'm a little annoyed because my kids were both sick last week with mundane stuff, and now, when I want to be at my sharpest and most vigilant, I have a stuffy nose.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:08 (three months ago) link

my spouse hesitated about kissing me this morning and I was like "dude, you've stuck your dick in me, I am pretty sure you've got whatever I've got."

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:09 (three months ago) link

Yeah, but maybe not covid.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

;)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

we have not been touching our top faces. only our bottom faces.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:15 (three months ago) link

now is the perfect time to invest in a bidet

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:16 (three months ago) link

have a wedding planned in june and an out-of-town bachelor party planned for april 2nd. not gonna lie, i'm slightly nervous about that second thing. hopefully, the panic will subside by the time june rolls around, and i'm going to that party unless the faa grounds flights (sorry, not sorry colorado). but covid has been a fun additional source of stress during an already-stressful time.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:16 (three months ago) link

The Bidet: like a wet kiss for your bottom face.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:17 (three months ago) link

cancellations are really bumming my kids out - mariachi performances, purim celebrations, soccer games, etcx.

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

Been thinking about life and mortality today. I’d rather die gloriously in battle than from a virus. In a way it doesn’t matter. But it kinda does. pic.twitter.com/m6vU5RTQHJ

— Paul Gosar (@DrPaulGosar) March 9, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

if they don't get their Disneyland trip at the end of this month the tears are gonna be epic

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

Disney hasn't closed or anything yet, right?

So far not much here has changed, as far as I can tell.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

my work is definitely going to close when the virus picks up steam here and I can't do most of my job from home as things stand (and this will not be remedied in the near future). this is going to definitely create an "interesting" time for me, probable extra paid holiday from work followed by "too much fucking work" when I get back

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

it's a good thing that Paul Gosar was a dentist then.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:21 (three months ago) link

Disney hasn't closed or anything yet, right?

they closed Disneyland Tokyo (different situation, obviously)

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (three months ago) link

definitely create an "interesting" time for me

Maybe you'll finally get to watch "The Irishman" in one sitting.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (three months ago) link

JUst seen it confirmed taht teh St patrick's day parades are bing cancelled. Heard Dublin, Cork, sligo so far.
BUmped into someone i know this morning who was coming from a meeting about the local one and told me taht our local community centre had definitely pulled out but the town as waiting for the decision from teh council.
I thought it was pretty likely that if there was a panic over the last week a large close crowd event like that next week may not be likely to go ahead.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:23 (three months ago) link

Pretty sure the St. Patrick's Day response here will be to drink *more*.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:24 (three months ago) link

They won't need to dye the river, it'll just turn that color from all the covid.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:25 (three months ago) link

Went to Costco and the big asian grocery store in town. Costco seemed to be out of toilet paper but didn't notice anything else weird.

The asian grocery store was pretty cleaned out though - 90% of the rice was gone, all of the dried chinese noodles were gone except the very thin ones, and like 75% of the all the huge chinese preserved vegetable aisle was empty.

I'm kind of fascinated by what was gone and what was still around - I imagine some of it is supply issues for chinese products, the fact that the vast majority of customers are chinese, etc. There was still lots of thai/vietnamese rice noodles, korean sweet potato noodles, kimchee, pansit noodles, and some stray bags of basmati, sticky, sushi, and brown jasmine rice. My son and I were also the only people there not wearing masks this time.

joygoat, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:26 (three months ago) link

I'm not very observant, so on Saturday I learned that brown basmati rice is a thing.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:28 (three months ago) link

that's interesting, I shop pretty much only at Asian grocery stores (south but mostly east) here and I haven't yet seen anyone in a mask, nor any shelves unusually out of stock.

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:29 (three months ago) link

Probably also touching my face the average (160 times an hour, I've read). Yesterday I donned one of my dog's neck bandanas inside the apt, so at least I noticed each time I rested my chin on my thumb. I imagine I'd get habituated to that, too.

Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:32 (three months ago) link

I've long been in the habit of touching my face with my knuckles, or the back of my hand. Like "The Thinker."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:34 (three months ago) link

I have a work trip that I spun into a vacation for my spouse and I (me?), heading from SF to Paris then Amsterdam next week. We are both wondering aloud if this is a good idea or not.

As for the workplace itself, we are extremely deadline-driven in my dept and if we close it will have an enormous, unpredictable impact on them. it's definitely making me anxious.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:43 (three months ago) link

I'm slightly nervous about flying this week: first to Raleigh (for a Destroyer show lol), then NYC. But other than sanitizing the airplane seat table, what can ya do?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:51 (three months ago) link

wipe down the tv screens, arm rests, belt buckles, remotes, etc too (if they have them). suck on a zinc lozenge the entire flight?

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:55 (three months ago) link

We met another Chinese mother at the supermarket, her daughter is in my son's class and she doesnt speak English. She was complaining that people weren't taking it seriously enough and that it was still not socially acceptable to wear a face mask in public.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:56 (three months ago) link

Last week I bought toilet paper at Trader Joe's (not hoarding; I had just put the last roll from the previous package on the spindle). The checker immediately comments on the TP, as there had been a run on that store earlier for TP and hand sanitizer.

Are people anticipating a civilization that has collapsed enough that TP is worth its weight for bartering?

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:06 (three months ago) link

People with relatives in China, including Taiwan, seem to be way more aware of the need to take this seriously. As for TP, we have one more package than usual, but we have squeeze bottles that can be filled with water and squirted directionally, if necessary. <<-- this thought is new to me and I thank ilx for its recent bidet conversation for bringing this to the fore of my mind.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:09 (three months ago) link

i think the recent bidet conversation was the ilx highpoint of the week.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 18:12 (three months ago) link

feeling good about my choice to travel by Greyhound this summer if only because I'll be locked in with 8-12 disgusting strangers as opposed to hundreds

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:14 (three months ago) link

As I understand it, traveling by plane is no worse (and in some ways better, thanks to the HEPA filters) than any other means of transportation. Assuming you are not within 3 or so feet of someone actively sneezing or coughing up a lung, the usual caveats apply: wash hands, don't touch face, and so on.

I was watching SNL last night, thinking, boy, this is so not funny. So my mind started to wander to a parody of Hitchcock's "Lifeboat" where four people are stuck on a tiny raft, and the number of TP rolls stacked in the corner keeps going down and they have to find the cheat secretly burning through all the TP.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 18:18 (three months ago) link

I refuse to not touch face!!!

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:20 (three months ago) link

I have always been the "eh I'm sure it'll be fine" person in my family, so it was weird yesterday to be having A Talk with my 67-year-old parents yesterday about how they actually need to take this seriously. I need to find a good all-in-one guide (hint) and email it out to the family. The world is truly upside down when I'm the responsible one.

The bougie grocery store I live near seems to still have everything. Stocking up today. Already secured a significant amount of Dr. Bronner's.

lukas, Monday, 9 March 2020 18:25 (three months ago) link

Nhs guide is pretty good, simple sos and don’ts and the common questions section is good, I thought. Uk references but replace with your local, obviously.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 18:34 (three months ago) link

Would trust a non-US guide more at this point. Thanks.

lukas, Monday, 9 March 2020 18:58 (three months ago) link

"The Bidet: like a wet kiss for your bottom face."

lool!

calzino, Monday, 9 March 2020 19:43 (three months ago) link

Or as I call them: the kitchen and bathroom sinks.

calzino, Monday, 9 March 2020 19:45 (three months ago) link

we purposefully removed our only bidet as part of a bathroom renovation last year because our kids kept touching inside of the bowl with their hands

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:56 (three months ago) link

and now I can only buy 20$ sheets of toilet paper from a stranger out the back of his van

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:57 (three months ago) link

run on tp -> tp shortage -> widespread use of the wrong kinds of paper -> plumbers' heyday -> buy chemed stock

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 March 2020 19:59 (three months ago) link

Flying to Colombia for a wedding at the start of April and I'm slightly nervous at the prospect of getting off the plane and immediately being quarantined in a strange country. Weirdly this is worrying me more than getting the virus itself.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:02 (three months ago) link

I need to find a good all-in-one guide (hint) and email it out to the family.

This guide, PSA regarding Covid-19, posted to r/Edmonton subreddit, is the best I've seen anywhere.

Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 20:04 (three months ago) link

xp Yeah my 17 year old daughter is scheduled to go on a youth service trip to Panama in June and this is my main concern—that she’ll get stuck there

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:05 (three months ago) link

I had our CFO tell me this morning that he thinks the entire coronavirus story is overblown and no one will be talking about it a month from now. Too early for I told you so?

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Monday, 9 March 2020 20:58 (three months ago) link

people are dealing with this in super strange ways. I don't know if they are trying to soothe themselves but it was annoying me when people would try to talk other people out of doing their own precautions.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 21:05 (three months ago) link

For sure, idk if it’s a reaction againsr the panic but the competition to be the most sanguine about this seems to have turned a lot of normally smart ppl on my feed/in my life into quasi anti vaxxers - fortunately less in the sense of irresponsible actions so much as thoughtless statements so far but it still is annoying. No, cancelling some music festival or whatever is not “mass hysteria” ffs it’s a basic sensible precaution and they wouldn’t be doing it at great expense otherwise!

Garu you just posted flange (wins), Monday, 9 March 2020 21:23 (three months ago) link

that's the thing that bugs me. the media response and some community response to Ebola *was* ridiculous, people sharing a pic that alleged improper handling of an Ebola patient that was actually well within recommended procedures, people talking about banning flights from Africa, banning teachers who happened to be in the city where 40 miles away from where someone was infected from coming to school. and yet everybody around me was like THIS IS SERIOUS SHIT MAN, THE GOVERNMENT, NOBODY IS TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY.

now this, and they're criticizing the media/community/government for "hysteria" when taking proper precautions(even though the government SHOULD rightfully be blamed for a lot of mishandling of this scenario).

like have they not noticed the size of the events cancelled thus far? many of which have 50,000 or more attendees? Mostly international? that's a no-brainer cancellation.

everybody gets so fixated on the mortality rate of these diseases because they always come at it from a "will I die from it?" focus only.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 21:33 (three months ago) link

Yeah it’s like getting your flu jab: not everything is about you, personally, the protagonist of life

Anyway I have a hospital appointment next week, should be interesting - of course this thing cannot touch me because I am super young and healthy but I have a feeling the atmosphere will be very fraught

Also have a staff meeting tomorrow where management will go into detail re their covid contingency plans. Pretty much none of my work can be done from home so any kind of asymptomatic self-isolation would just be a paid holiday for me I reckon - the only downside might be that the business can’t take the impact and goes under, but that’s not worth worrying about at this stage

Garu you just posted flange (wins), Monday, 9 March 2020 21:39 (three months ago) link

I've been virtual for 8 years so I'm already at home. but if my students don't show up to the office and can't WFH, that equals no classes for me.

none of our locations are in areas severely affected.....well, ok, most.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 21:44 (three months ago) link

Since Friday I’ve developed a powerfully unpleasant dry cough with an accompanying wheeze, which makes it nearly impossible to get a good night’s sleep (including for my family, who have to deal with me waking up every 2-4 hours hacking and scrabbling about for my ventolin inhaler).

I’m 99% sure this is an allergic response to our new cats, especially because leaving the house for a couple of hours seems to be an almost perfect cure, but what if? What if indeed.

The answer is I probably can’t get tested at all, since I’m not running a fever. So I’ll sort of self-quarantine? See above: leaving the house is the thing that helps the best.

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:23 (three months ago) link

I heard moderating ILX for a few hours is just what the doctor ordered

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:28 (three months ago) link

No, cancelling some music festival or whatever is not “mass hysteria” ffs it’s a basic sensible precaution and they wouldn’t be doing it at great expense otherwise!

Surely these events are only getting cancelled because the attendees are canceling and dropping below profitable levels, not because any of the promoters care about public health?

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:28 (three months ago) link

My brother's company cancelled their part of a convention but the organizers asked them to delay announcing it by a day so that they don't tank the rest of the convention. That one day will surely make all the difference.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:37 (three months ago) link

i saw someone discussing last week how it seems that our economy was totally run on superfluous conventions.
True true.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:41 (three months ago) link

Do you think it would do any good if I stopped smoking, like, today?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:43 (three months ago) link

Yes, I have no idea about how it might help you with corona virus, But fuck yes.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:44 (three months ago) link

in orbit, if I was there I would smack it out of your hand. (and then hand you a drink so maybe I am not the best person to ask)

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:45 (three months ago) link

It's a shame I still have like 5 whole packs. Maybe I can use all these extra cigarettes for bartering after the collapse of the supply chain starves us all in our houses.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:46 (three months ago) link

Undoubtedly, yes. I smoke when I go out on occasion and have been using this as an opportunity to quit altogether.

xp

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:47 (three months ago) link

Surely these events are only getting cancelled because the attendees are canceling and dropping below profitable levels, not because any of the promoters care about public health?

― change display name (Jordan), Monday, March 9, 2020 5:28 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

replace "attendees" with "sponsors" and i think that's it

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:48 (three months ago) link

xpost, you can hold on to them and get them doled out one by one until they become so stale and unsatisfying and you can no longer trade them for nudies.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:50 (three months ago) link

tbh i am self-isolating just bc i have a sinus headache, which is not uncommon for me to feel when the weather suddenly changes (it was 70 degrees in new york today and it's been unusually dry all weekend). no fever, but i can work from home so why risk it

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:51 (three months ago) link

on a busy college campus, feeling the fear. just used sanitizer.

sleeve, Monday, 9 March 2020 22:54 (three months ago) link

All right I guess I'm cancelling the lobbying trip to Albany on Wednesday and figuring out what to do with my hands from 8-12pm. Here goes nothing.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:57 (three months ago) link

You can start touching your face like the rest of us.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 22:59 (three months ago) link

sew? I made a bookstore/library out of a miniature kit last year. It took me almost a day just to make and upholster the tiny armchair. I have a two story japanese house miniature kit all ready for me right now.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:00 (three months ago) link

Which reminds me, I need to assemble my sake bring equipment before we go into lockdown.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:01 (three months ago) link

I did see that on the WHO coronavirus prep guide.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:03 (three months ago) link

I can run out of TP but heaven forbid I run out of Booze.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:08 (three months ago) link

Speaking of prep, friend of mind put together a shopping list + recipes for 2-3 weeks of lockdown: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YAwdt5R0bDl-9aBqfYxzTWZYR1-vAKktO9bZZUSYoL0/edit?usp=sharing

lukas, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:09 (three months ago) link

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lukas, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:09 (three months ago) link

I usually spend those hours reading and drinking wine, which is great but leaves my hands unoccupied and unfortunately goes really well with smoking contemplatively while turing pages. I already tried cooking elaborate meals every day since I'm not working right now, but that made us both fat so that's out. I tried to get C to take up crochet, maybe there's still a boxed kit around somewhere. I predict desperation.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:09 (three months ago) link

xpost Booze. I could throw a bunch of dinner parties 10xs over OR have the supplies to do makeshift surgery here. Pick one.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:11 (three months ago) link

in orbit ,caramelizing a huge batch of onions like 2 dozen takes forever, is worthwhile (it freezes well) and is meditative.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:13 (three months ago) link

Or could make a lot of custard. It’s the stirring really.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:18 (three months ago) link

surely onions kill viruses

mookieproof, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:19 (three months ago) link

Maybe I’ll finally make some progress on some books and videogames. Tomorrow I shall quit smoking AND ilx!

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 March 2020 23:20 (three months ago) link

I'll think of something. Crochet or some kind of hand-craft really does seem somewhat likely, kind of the way I play Candy Crush while watching White Collar. Maybe I could rediscover calligraphy.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:21 (three months ago) link

I’m betting on garlic right now. My last line of defense is the Hunan takeaway.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:21 (three months ago) link

Everyoen I know went to Golden Plains over the weekend (big 3 day hipster music fest out in the bush) and no one seemed wary. I guess I'll find out if 3/4 of Brunswick suddenly falls ill in a week's time.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:25 (three months ago) link

i plan on listening to a lot of jazz fusion

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:28 (three months ago) link

score match is available on the google play store

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:50 (three months ago) link

i'm also working my way through the resident evil movies again

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:56 (three months ago) link

Coachella postponed to October

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 01:48 (three months ago) link

No cases within 100 miles that I know of but I decided against a pizza buffet for dinner. There are enough snot-nosed kids in the best of times.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 01:50 (three months ago) link

Not sure if anyone's posted this page yet:

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

Seems like a good round-up of graphs. A couple of them ("Total Cases excluding mainland China") do look scary.

clemenza, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 02:20 (three months ago) link

I was able to reserve 12 rolls of toilet paper at Target online to pick up. When I arrived, its surrounding plastic was all torn up as if someone squirreled it away among the rakes in case they needed to come back and buy even more tp for themselves later to clutch tontheir chest while sleeping. Or perhaps a poor employee had to fight off a riot to uphold the validity of the online ordering process and reserve what is rightfully mine. Either way, I made it clear to the nice person that helped me that I am not a prepper, and it's just that our normal household shitting cycle had bad timing.

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 03:56 (three months ago) link

so I'm guessing there are going to lots of people walking around unwiped in many cities in the near future?

man, my prospects on Tinder have just improved 200 fold

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:00 (three months ago) link

Is "the human bidet" your occupation?

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:02 (three months ago) link

already had one friend of a friend grouse that if we let everybody work from home, that's when massive timecard fraud might occur.

it just amazes me that the first thought process is 'how can people take advantage of the system'? Like, I've been a virtual employee for 8 years, and...if you're committing timecard fraud, actually not doing work you're being paid to do....you'll be discovered. It really isn't difficult. Not to mention, if you have the type of job you can do at home, chances are, you could find a way to shirk your responsibilities in the office too.

xpost dear god no I just mean finally I'll be less grody than more than half the population

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:02 (three months ago) link

also more timecard fraud is good

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:11 (three months ago) link

I mean I'm not sayin I once worked an 8 hour shift while secretly on a Greyhound bus to Atlanta to see Megadeth with only my work phone and no laptop in tow but.....

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:12 (three months ago) link

"I'm Too Sexy for This Job" by Time Card Fraud

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:16 (three months ago) link

From The Great Influenza

In Britain the War Office published recommendations for therapy in The Lancet. They were far more specific than any guidance in the United States, and likely did relieve some symptoms. For sleep, twenty grains of bromide, opiates to relax cough, and oxygen for cyanosis. The recommendations warned that venesection was seldom beneficial, that alcohol was invaluable, but that little could be gained by giving food. For headache: antipyrin and salicylic acid—aspirin. To stimulate the heart: strychnine and digitalis.

Sanpaku, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 05:15 (three months ago) link

next, a run on white claws

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 05:48 (three months ago) link

this may be refractory anxiety from a recent health scare but this whole thing is giving me the fantods. we're prepping for an extended work from home period and I am not looking forward to that amount of isolation

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 06:18 (three months ago) link

Surely these events are only getting cancelled because the attendees are canceling and dropping below profitable levels, not because any of the promoters care about public health?

― change display name (Jordan), Monday, March 9, 2020 5:28 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

replace "attendees" with "sponsors" and i think that's it


Yeah, or because they’re made to by authorities. Point stands tho

Garu you just posted flange (wins), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 07:12 (three months ago) link

Even if I do have to go into isolation, at least I will be able to sit on my roof and listen to the magpies and currawongs and watch the bats.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:09 (three months ago) link

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1236933818654896129.html

thomasintrouble, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:15 (three months ago) link

italy - entire country in lockdown
france - time for a smurf festival https://t.co/32UpOnbp8a

— the irishman* (@mrgracemugabe) March 9, 2020

"There's no risk (from coronavirus) we're Smurfs!"

calzino, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:30 (three months ago) link

It could be the answer to the pandemic.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:33 (three months ago) link

With every passing day I become more convinced this will kill me.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 10:09 (three months ago) link

Have you considered coating yourself in blue from head to toes?

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 10:14 (three months ago) link

I saw those people
they were turning blue
Oh, I knew that soon
Their young lives were through

Smurfing while Rome burns etc.

Well wonder how long its going to be before it's France's turn

Stevolende, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 10:16 (three months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEl8IBv98vg

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 11:58 (three months ago) link

I'm not so worried about getting this/what will happen to me if I get this, which is funny because I am usually a super-hypochondriac. But I do worry about being a vector. Selfishly, there are a couple of concerts coming up that I want to go to and I'm feeling bummed about the prospect of maybe missing them if I get sick/them getting cancelled.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:18 (three months ago) link

To put it another way: if I choose to go to said concerts, I'll feel guilty about not doing my part to support public health lol

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 12:19 (three months ago) link

i have accepted that i am probably going to be a vector. there's so much we don't know about this virus. it does appear to be more than usually contagious (and less than usually lethal). everything else? how does it spread, how long does it incubate in hosts? we do, we think, have a safe and effective method of testing for it now, but don't have the logistical infrastructure to test most people for it. as far a i can tell all of the advice, and it's good advice - yes you should fucking wash your hands - for containing the pandemic is mostly effective against the secondary pandemic, the panic pandemic, the mass fear that strikes when faced with things that we don't understand and can't really control. panic, there's a topic i do know a lot about and have a lot of experience with, and i'm putting it all to use right now.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 13:46 (three months ago) link

I am also not that afraid of getting this per se, but am afraid of spreading it and of being an irresponsible person.
I also share the more trivial/selfish fear of missing stuff I want to do due to it being canceled/closed or to being quarantined .

Then there is my workplace, which with the foresight, preparedness, and sense of priority I have come to expect, first starting implementing work-from-home procedures just last week. We were told to "test" working from home, but I'm not sure they plan to use this unless the building is actually closed or something. They also told us to stay out of the office if we feel sick, but when I asked if we could then work from home rather than charge sick time, was told "probably not."

In the past few days I've developed a cough-not dry, no other symptoms, and feels pretty identical to coughs I've had many times before (I tend to be a bit of chronic coughed) but still feel uncertainty about going out...

I think there's a thin line between paranoia and denial here.

MrDasher, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 15:59 (three months ago) link

I also share the more trivial/selfish fear of missing stuff I want to do due to it being canceled/closed or to being quarantined.

Yep, there are several local film screenings in the next couple of months I want to see.

Then there's my mother. She lives alone; I'm not sure if she (or I, for that matter) have comorbidities; I could see her getting sick and being too independent to reach out to me and my sister before things take a turn for the worse.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:13 (three months ago) link

Aaaaaand the DC Environmental Film Festival has already canceled a number of events: https://dceff.org/covid-19-and-dceff/.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:17 (three months ago) link

I can't believe Chicago is, as of this moment, plowing ahead with their St. Patrick's Day parade. Seems wildly irresponsible as it's really starting to get a toehold here, but what do I know. Suspect there's a lot of "this is Amurica and no damn furren' disease is going to stop my day drinking and projectile vomiting" going around.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:18 (three months ago) link

Holy shit really? That's awful.

Starting to freak out over here reading about Italy's healthcare system being overwhelmed.

lukas, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

You'd think they'd cancel out of an abundance of caution alone. But I dunno. I've somehow never been to the parade (and I've been here for almost 30 years!), but I imagine the parade isn't nearly as dangerous as all those slobbering drunk people congregating in tight-quarter bars afterwards. I wouldn't do either, regardless.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:34 (three months ago) link

Re: Italy, I made light of it on the other thread, but I don't see how the situation can be so serious and pervasive, yet the quarantine situation be so seemingly lax.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

I unfailingly self-quarantine the weekend of the St. Patrick's parade as a general thing. All the more reason to batten down the vomit-proof hatches, I guess.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:37 (three months ago) link

I went for the first time ever last year, but only because we have family friends that walk in the parade with a group and they invited our son. He had a blast last year throwing candy to the crowd, but we won't be going this year.

The parade itself wouldn't be bad, but last year, just to get to the parade route, you had to literally shove your way through an unceasing wall of humanity to access Grant Park. That part gives me pause under the best of conditions, I can't imagine doing it right now.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:40 (three months ago) link

What if you slathered yourself with Shamrock Shake first?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:42 (three months ago) link

Then I could get a head start on the projectile vomiting!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:43 (three months ago) link

For sure you'll look like someone already barfed on you.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:45 (three months ago) link

Man, avoiding public spaces sucks. I was all, "OK, I'm fully stocked up and unemployed, I live with people I like, I'm near a park, I can go into semi-lockdown and be fine! I am DOING MY PART to slow the spread!" And now I just feel like a Jean Gabin character who's slowly going insane as he hides from the police.

The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:49 (three months ago) link

Whereas I think I could literally hunker down in my home for a year with no psychological detriment that wasn't already present or imminent. P psyched for the prospect of a quarantine, tbrr.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:06 (three months ago) link

Now ask my gf how she feels about being quarantined alongside me.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:06 (three months ago) link

thats awesome

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:08 (three months ago) link

I would love to work from home tbh, but I'm pretty sure there's no way my company is going to sanction it. The closest they've gotten is allowing partial sick days when you're working from home (when actually sick).

And my wife is a physical therapist, so no option there, just have to go in and touch old people all day long.

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:34 (three months ago) link

i mean *boston* and *DUBLIN* canceled their parades, but carry on, nyc and chicago

ah well pic.twitter.com/QO6uSCcmBS

— #⃣1⃣ reanimated ♂feminst breakfast abolitionist (@damienredicamn1) March 10, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:36 (three months ago) link

Great opportunity to ban St Patrick's Day anywhere but Ireland forever.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:03 (three months ago) link

I guess officials in Chicago are just impatient for this shit to start really spreading in earnest. Can't really think of a quicker or more efficient way to do it, myself.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:05 (three months ago) link

I dunno, listening to the Gov. I felt a lot more confident than in anything I've heard from the Feds so far. But yeah, this can all change overnight. I have a good friend who was freaking out that SXSW was not being cancelled ... and then it was. Let's see where Chicago is on Friday.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:23 (three months ago) link

Bagged the last packet of pasta in Morrisons, so I will live and the rest of you must eat toilet paper or die.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:32 (three months ago) link

Petition to revise New Hampshire's slogan

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:34 (three months ago) link

Great opportunity to ban St Patrick's Day anywhere but Ireland forever.


Lol all the parades in Ireland are cancelled this year!

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 18:56 (three months ago) link

Just one of these weird, meaningless things I tend to notice (like the knight from The Seventh Seal dying in the middle of a pandemic): first Dick Van Dyke campaigns for Sanders, now the National Guard is called out to New Rochelle.

clemenza, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:27 (three months ago) link

can't wait to see how Alan Brady riffs on this during his monologue tonight...

henry s, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:33 (three months ago) link

I went to Hope Depot to get a dust mask for a painting project and then I realized ... oh right, everyone bought every kind of mask in the entire store

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:34 (three months ago) link

Home Depot. Hope Depot is a great typo tho

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:34 (three months ago) link

I don't see how the situation can be so serious and pervasive, yet the quarantine situation be so seemingly lax.

In the USA people are extremely resentful of and rebellious toward any interference in what they see as their personal prerogatives. Imposing widespread quarantines and travel restrictions here would not only require calling out the National Guard, but would inspire active rebellions, especially among the Republican base. Nothing would reveal the inability of the government to control the chaos like announcing strict quarantines. If they happen, I edict they will happen almost exclusively in states controlled by Democrats, and public cooperation will be poor... unless there are shoot-to-kill orders issued.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:36 (three months ago) link

I predict

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 19:37 (three months ago) link

Been looking for a good guide to share with friends and family, this might be it: https://flattenthecurve.com

lukas, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:00 (three months ago) link

"I edict"

I momentarily felt reassured by the sudden realization that aimless was in charge.

clemenza, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:01 (three months ago) link

When that happens I'll say "I decree".

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:09 (three months ago) link

I believe my workplace is now grounding any travel that is non-essential to the functioning of the business. Since I tacked a vacation onto this travel, it looks like I'll be eating about $800

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:12 (three months ago) link

I had our CFO tell me this morning that he thinks the entire coronavirus story is overblown and no one will be talking about it a month from now. Too early for I told you so?

― Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Monday, March 9, 2020 4:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Update: I verified the ability of most of our employees to work from home and asked our accounting dept. to verify their capabilities to do this (no answers). After a week or so of trying to get CEO/COO/various prepare for coronavirus, I basically gave up in the face of scoffing/mocking/it's not as bad as the flu. So this afternoon during a management meeting someone asked what we were doing to prepare for coronavirus and the very people who were scoffing say, "Oh, PBKR is writing a plan." NB: I am not writing a plan. Fuck them.

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:19 (three months ago) link

Once your business continuance plan is finalized, please cc ilx at your earliest convenience.

Yerac, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:22 (three months ago) link

Apologies for the previous error. Once your business *continuity* plan is final, please also forward to HR and Records Management for archiving.

Yerac, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:24 (three months ago) link

lol, I just found out that one of the three Ohio cases announced by Gov. Dewine yesterday is an AIPAC attendee who works the Jewish Education Center about a mile from my house. And I have other friends that work there.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/03/10/coronavirus-patient-works-jewish-education-center-cleveland-heights-offices-close-weeks/

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:40 (three months ago) link

PBKR Coronavirus Preparedness Plan

Intro

We are all going to die!!!

Conclusion

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:41 (three months ago) link

A bit of cognitive dissonance here watching other states cancel events, gatherings and parades left and right, but getting emails for local (Chicago area) events and conferences reading, essentially, "we see no reason to worry or not proceed as planned!". Conferences for out-of-town groups are being canceled, but it seems like locals are just doubling down.

Tell you what, I'd rather be embarrassed six months down the road by looking overly cautious than I would be embarrassed for furthering the spread to immunocompromised individuals but, hey, that's just me. Probably why I'm not in charge of making those decisions.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:52 (three months ago) link

Tell you what, I'd rather be embarrassed six months down the road by looking overly cautious than I would be embarrassed for furthering the spread to immunocompromised individuals but, hey, that's just me. Probably why I'm not in charge of making those decisions.

OTM

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 20:58 (three months ago) link

Local "presumptive" cases have jumped 0-3 in 24 hours.

I got my thermometer at the local Walgreen's (cheap fluid type), most were out of stock. Older gentleman perusing cough remedies 4 ft away coughed, and I nearly left the ground.

Sanpaku, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 21:28 (three months ago) link

im a wee bit phlegmy today and I've had a cough or two. hwfg!

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 21:43 (three months ago) link

Dry coughing at regular intervals here but have stocked up on meds and can work from home for a while. Just don't fever me!

nashwan, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:37 (three months ago) link

I think phlegmy is generally good as in not likely to be covid19

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:41 (three months ago) link

Fatigue is the least helpful symptom of every illness.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:47 (three months ago) link

the governor made us cancel all meetings, trainings, etc. but not the work we do where we encounter 10x more members of the public than we would sitting in a meeting. this came out an hour after our office had a meeting with like 80 people crammed into a room. whoops.

forensic plumber (harbl), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 23:26 (three months ago) link

Good to know the stuffy nose and sneezing is just the year round 'seasonal allergies' I developed after I quit smoking

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 23:31 (three months ago) link

i have constant stuffy nose and sneezing to the point that i take sudafed nearly every day. it's how i know i'm "normal."

forensic plumber (harbl), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 23:40 (three months ago) link

Gonna say, this time of year (particularly when the temp is rising/falling 10-20 degrees over the course of a given day) is a generator for all kinds of fun symptoms that I'd ordinarily dismiss as normal but now feel like I have to actively monitor in hopes that I'll recognize, say, an abnormal amount of pre-springtime post-nasal drip.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 23:46 (three months ago) link

I shook hands by mistake and went into overdrive washing hands

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 23:47 (three months ago) link

all of my spouse's grads/postdocs who came back from Italy for the new semester are in 14 day self quarantine. I am like "DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH COFFEE AND WINE!?!" We don't know if the university or government sets them up with food.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:25 (three months ago) link

have some cold symptoms today, glad to know they don't overlap strongly with covid symptoms

ciderpress, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

Stopped by the mini Target near my office, right next to a college campus, and pretty similar but extend that to the toilet paper aisle. As I was in there, no less than five people came in frantically asking about toilet paper to no avail.

I get that people respond to stress and anxiety in different ways and stocking up on essentials isn't entirely dumb, but do people typically live with razor thin levels of backup toilet paper in their places? I'm still shocked that this is one of the items in such short supply.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:39 (three months ago) link

Chicago's St. Patrick's Day parade finally cancelled. Guess I just have to barf all over myself at home this year! (sulks)

Target in dwntwn Chi wasn't too badly hit when I went yesterday. Dry staples were picked over but I was able to get some lentils. TP seemed to be decently stocked. I might make another run tonight and see what difference a day makes.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:41 (three months ago) link

I posted this in the other thread but it is agonizing being simultaneously told that I need to avoid public transit and stay home because it is a moral imperative due to herd immunity, flatten the curve, etc., and also being unable to do either of those things

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:41 (three months ago) link

i sympathize to that feeling of helplessness, but i hope you're not taking the "moral imperative" too seriously - i think on the other thread you likened it to being called a "murderer"? some people aren't very careful with their words, but i really hope no one is suggesting that you're a murderer or anything close to it.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:43 (three months ago) link

if you can't do those things you can't do them. great majority of people living in cities can't!

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:44 (three months ago) link

it's the natural extension of the (largely true) fact that I am putting immunocompromised people at risk by doing so

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:44 (three months ago) link

basically, everything in this, which just went up https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3meg7/what-do-i-do-coronavirus-travel-public-transit-guidelines

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:45 (three months ago) link

i don't think that's the natural extension of that fact.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:45 (three months ago) link

the last paragraph really says it better than I have been:

I am lucky in that, so far, coronavirus has had little impact on my life. But it, and the lack of clear directives plus the frenzy around it, have added tremendous moral weight to seemingly every decision I make. Going to my nephew’s birthday party is either a lovely family activity or an irresponsible act of potential violence against the people I love most and anyone I encounter along the way. I just want to do what will make people happy and healthy, so I don’t know what to do. I wish some public official would tell me, but that would require them to have the answers.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:46 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I still have to spend time on public transport to get to my job and around to our other campus, I wish I could cut that out but driving, parking and getting back and forth would be cost prohibitive at this point.

Sounds like we might get some official direction on working from home soon, but I'm not yet sure what that would mean for me. 70-80% of my job I can easily do from home, but that remaining percentage is working on construction sites and that can't really be done remotely. So, wait and see at this point.

So glad Chicago came to their senses about the parades.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:47 (three months ago) link

was just about to quote that last paragraph, katherine!

to me, that sounds like someone writing about what many millions (billions?) of people are thinking right now. it doesn't sound like anyone declaring a moral imperative or blaming anyone else for what they have to do. that's just how i read it, i don't know.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:49 (three months ago) link

Cleveland St. Patrick's Day parade canceled as well.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:50 (three months ago) link

ah yes, speaking of campus, cuny is still open despite there being a confirmed case (at john jay) and it's very damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't because, compared to, say, columbia or harvard, the students are far more likely to be in precarious financial or living situations (about 3-5 students in a class I am taking have said they don't have access to an Internet connection robust enough to stream live video lectures, which would be what class would be; a few students have offered to host them, and I'm trying to clear it with my roommates, but the fact that this has happened at all is indicative of how shitty a situation it is)

xp -- to clarify I'm not saying the article is the source of said moral imperative, but it describes it very well

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:51 (three months ago) link

Planning to go to Target on Friday; no idea what the aisles will look like (I'm in NJ, which has relatively few cases - only 23 so far, none near me).

Also scheduled to start my first 9-5 office job since 2017 on Monday morning. Genuinely curious whether or not I'll be told just to stay home, that they'll set me up to work remotely, between now and then.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:54 (three months ago) link

I have booze, now I just need coffee, thanks thread for reminding me

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

Yeah I have boundless sympathy for decision makers at any university or college right now, even with just the barest scraps I've heard about meetings, discussions and frantic phone calls from parents (my position doesn't require me to be directly involved in any of the above). For every parent essentially demanding they close the campus ASAP, you have just as many fair points being raised about students that have nowhere else to go. Not to mention, were there a cause for concern, would just spreading the students all over the country (and world) just make things worse? I don't know that anyone has the right answer. FWIW, we don't have any known cases on our campus yet.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo (& major concert series) cancelled after running for the first of three weeks.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

(uh, also to clarify, I don't attend classes at john jay and to my knowledge have not been exposed to the coronavirus any more than anyone else in new york has just by existing in new york)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 16:58 (three months ago) link

My cousin just told me that her job in DC has moved exclusively to telework *and* that her classes in her master's program at Georgetown have all been suspended until further notice. So all the students currently on spring break have nowhere to return to if they aren't prepared to return home at a moment's notice.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

I was at Costco today, and they had plenty of toilet paper. But indeed, everyone seemed to be buying toilet paper. Then again, that's what you get at Costco. I did see one guy with what seemed like 6 packages of paper towels, which means, like, a bazillion rolls, and the Costco guy politely told him they were limiting purchases to two per person.

FWIW, they had someone stationed by the carts, spraying and wiping down the handle before handing them off. And I saw lots of people around the store spraying and wiping down surfaces.

My wife's job just told her they are going to have everyone work from home tomorrow, as a "test."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

I am pretty much of the opinion that the only rational decision is to shut everything down now, because you will be forced to shut everything down three weeks from now when it will be too late to have much effect.

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:06 (three months ago) link

Gotta say, it has not been displeasing to walk into CTA stations that smell like bleach instead of urine.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:07 (three months ago) link

i feel like costco needs to have a temporary no returns policy on paper goods, water, etc to keep people from hoarding right now.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:08 (three months ago) link

lol I've seen people return open bags of chips at Costco.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:08 (three months ago) link

I hate Costco so much, never been and hope to never go

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:09 (three months ago) link

the worst retail customers I have ever dealt with, by a wide margin

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:10 (three months ago) link

I love Costco.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:11 (three months ago) link

i love costco, but I was a late in life member. the one in nyc sucks so bad though. everyone is very aggro. it's kind of a mandatory membership if you live in hawaii though. the gas and most products are drastically cheaper than anywhere else. and everyone who works there is so nice.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:11 (three months ago) link

Still only 41 cases across Ontario. maybe I should be nervous about tonight's Control Top gig but I'm really not.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:12 (three months ago) link

xpost - I refuse to step foot in a Costco ever again. My wife knows better than to even suggest it. The worst customers ever, overcrowded, rude and angry people everywhere, shoppers that just ditch their carts anywhere to block aisles. I didn't consider myself an anxious person until I first set foot in a Costco.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:12 (three months ago) link

they treat their employees well, I'll say that in their favor. their members, on the other hand, frequently came off as the worst humans alive when I dealt with them in a previous job

sleeve, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:12 (three months ago) link

I think Costcos vary significantly from location to location. For example, I learned only recently that Costco *stock* varies from location to location. There are things you can get at one that you can't get at another. There are even baked goods that differ, since the bakers apparently have discretion. And a lot of those differences reflect the clientele. For example, I am equidistant from two Costcos. One carries a whole halal lamb, the other doesn't.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:15 (three months ago) link

from the host of a gathering of friends next weekend; people, many of whom travel quite a bit, will be flying in from all around the country:

I am not particularly concerned about corona virus overall, however, given I have a severely immuno-compromised 80 year old cancer stricken mother in my house, I will ask that if you think you are any sort of risk for carrying it, obviously, bail

. . . c'mon lads

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:15 (three months ago) link

xpost - what pushed me over the edge for Costco was watching one shopper quite literally shove an 75+ year-old man out of the way to get at a fresh batch of free cheese samples

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

Well, tbf, free cheese.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

lol

sorry to derail, talking about even fucking Costco for a few minutes helps pull me out of the Coronoavirus spiral I've been stuck in. This week reminds me of where I was about 3 weeks after 9/11, just constantly searching news updates and absorbing way more information than is healthy

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

xpost oh yeah have you ever seen the pics of all the amazing stuff in japanese costcos? The hawaii ones have a lot of beach stuff and always 3-4 different pokés, kalua pork, lots of macadamia nuts, fresh saiman/ramen noodles etc.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

ohhh, and they have a steal of bubbies mochi ice cream (18 pack). although i think bubbies is everywhere now.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:22 (three months ago) link

Yeah, we were told to stop at the Maui Costco for poke! (We're still planning to go, but recognize life might intervene, if not here then there.)

My favorite Costco story was when we were looking for cheap light weatherproof jackets for a camping trip. I did some research and kept seeing reviews of a jacket sold at Costco. So I click on a (video) review, and the guy is really thorough and informative and then ends with something like "and it fits perfectly in your go-bag." Um, ok. I click on the next review, and same thing, super useful review, ends with how perfect it is for your "bug out" bag. Surprising no one, Costco might be the only company equally beloved by suburban families and preppers.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:26 (three months ago) link

the maui one does not have gas. boooo.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:27 (three months ago) link

derp, disregard that. it looks like it does.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:28 (three months ago) link

But do they have toilet paper?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:29 (three months ago) link

(Apparently they do, say forums, but it's being limited.)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:30 (three months ago) link

I've gone from a point of relative calm to dark circles around my eyes perma-refreshing BBC news and making infinite shopping lists in the space of about three days. Why ARE thermometers like £75 now? They can't always have cost that much.

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:34 (three months ago) link

I don't understand why everyone needs more toilet paper

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:36 (three months ago) link

like, hand sanitizer, bleach, disinfectants, ok I get that. But toilet paper?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:37 (three months ago) link

omg! i had someone pick one up for me yesterday and it was like $6usd. I was shocked it was still so accessible and cheap.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:37 (three months ago) link

I tried in a couple of Boots and they'd sold out, and online they're all either one-star reviews or £100.

All UK pharmacies now aggressively filling queue barriers with things that could potentially look like hand sanitiser - cleansers, moisturisers etc. Yesterday there was one filled with small bottles of lube.

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:40 (three months ago) link

If you have to quarantine for 2 weeks, you better have some toilet paper. Even moreso if you are a whole family that needs to quarantine. I don't see why this is weird to people.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:41 (three months ago) link

LOL @ accidentally picking up a small bottle of lube thinking it's sanitizer

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:42 (three months ago) link

idk I guess we don't go through that much toilet paper
xps

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:43 (three months ago) link

Anyway, I'm stocking up on lentils &c.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:43 (three months ago) link

like i think we buy an 8-pack once a month? TMI I suppose

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:43 (three months ago) link

on the other thread we went over how much toilet paper one person usually uses a week. I probably am lowkey annoyed by people who over use toilet paper but hopefully I will never have to be a first person witness to a lot of it. All people should be able to use the amount they need to self soothe.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:45 (three months ago) link

but at max, even with single ply, i would think an average person needs one roll a week max, even taking into account shark week or food poisoning.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:47 (three months ago) link

If those who poop at work will be working from home, it makes sense to stock up on extra toilet paper.

☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:51 (three months ago) link

oh yes that reminds me, due to underfunding the campus bathrooms are frequently either closed or out of soap

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:55 (three months ago) link

sharkshart week or food poisoning.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 17:59 (three months ago) link

tt i got this thermometer the other day, Amazon doesn’t have them anymore but Argos might. It has lots of others too.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:00 (three months ago) link

If you have to quarantine for 2 weeks, you better have some toilet paper. Even moreso if you are a whole family that needs to quarantine. I don't see why this is weird to people.


Not weird esp for a family but people buying so much that it means other families can’t get any? I mean I grew up in a household of six and we wouldn’t have gone through more than ten rolls in a fortnight, so I’m not sure what the guy buying 48 rolls that I saw today thought was so pressing.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:02 (three months ago) link

some people like to wrap up their hands in TP like boxers preparing for a big fight. i always assume their anal cavities are in catastrophic condition

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:04 (three months ago) link

I'm just stocking up for the start of the next varsity sports season.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:06 (three months ago) link

xp: Thank god I brush with crest every night.

Anyway, a case has been announced in my county in Maryland just now.

☮️ (peace, man), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:08 (three months ago) link

I wonder if there will be a covid baby boom this fall?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:09 (three months ago) link

psa: if you're having sex while wfh and end up having a wfh/quarantine baby, it'll be a sagittarius. so use some judgment and practice safe sex.

— stan of cleves (@alex_abads) March 11, 2020

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:10 (three months ago) link

Sagittarius Baby sounds like a great fictional hippy name.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:13 (three months ago) link

xps, thanks gyac! Alas all out of stock for delivery or nearby. I found this one on Amazon that doesn't look like the worst thing?

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:17 (three months ago) link

i am so glad we have a bidet in our household

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:33 (three months ago) link

i heard march is usually a peak month for vasectomies so I wonder how this is all going to pan out. xpost

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:37 (three months ago) link

according to andrew cuomo the cuny/suny schools are all remote starting march 19, not that the schools have announced a goddamn thing

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:39 (three months ago) link

hah, the closest location Argos suggests for that thermometer is Grimsby, 135 miles away

but I guess I too am stockpiling thermometers now as I bought a 2nd forehead strip thermometer from a local chemist since the first cheap one from Amazon didn't work and... it doesn't work? that or I might just be dead

well I guess if I'm dead already that takes a lot of the worry out of this coronavirus thing

a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:42 (three months ago) link

I knooooow, I was just looking through locations, I have narrowed down various thermometers to Grimsby, Chippenham and...most of Kent? Boots say on their site they’ll get more stock in too, but I’ll keep looking.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 18:47 (three months ago) link

I like the 'idle gondoliers' and the cat

tangenttangent, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:08 (three months ago) link

huh I always assume if I have a fever I'll just know about it

my manager came back from a skiing weekend (in Bulgaria, not a high risk area) and has been sick all week, he looks rough as fuck and his voice is gone, coughing all over the place... luckily he looked at one of those symptom checker things and is like 90% sure it's not this virus, just some other virus that he is knowingly spreading around, so it's fine. He's still in the probationary period so won't get company sick pay if he's off, otherwise he def wouldn't be in. Today the head of the dept called HR about him and after hearing the symptoms they advised that he should stay at work. Pandemic aside it's fucking galling to hear "you should work if you're sick" as official word from a human resources dept

In other dismaying news there was an incident at my mum's work of some Chinese students being racially abused by some other students who were throwing stuff at them while pretending to cough. Hope the little cunts get kicked out

Garu you just posted flange (wins), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:10 (three months ago) link

I get the feeling both music events I was planning on traveling to the States for (Long Play and Migration) are gonna get shitcanned :(

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:11 (three months ago) link

really glad my wedding is not until July.

not so glad that I work at a university and have no way to work from home. I basically have to hope a student or faculty member in this building gets confirmed with COVID for the university to be shut.

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:20 (three months ago) link

sitting in a meeting right now watching everyone rub their eyes, scratch their face, and lean their heads on their faces and wondering "WTF PEOPLE??!"

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:23 (three months ago) link

Have you ever had to quit biting your nails? Breaking unconscious habits that have lasted decades is fuckin hard.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:25 (three months ago) link

I basically have to hope a student or faculty member in this building gets confirmed with COVID for the university to be shut.
same
my school hasn't even put out hand sanitizer much less prepared teachers or students for possible closure/remote classes
midterms are next week

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:28 (three months ago) link

i have touched my face (and bitten my nails) thousands of times, today alone. yeah, for some people (very much myself) the touching the face thing is not an easy thing to accomplish.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:29 (three months ago) link

lean their heads on their faces and wondering "WTF PEOPLE??!"

seems like a reasonable reaction tbh, how do they do it?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:30 (three months ago) link

my company just sent out guidance to managers: i'm being told that if someone wants to work home, i have to evaluate it on a case-by-case basis

these people are fucking morons, we should all be told to work from home as much as possible right now

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:30 (three months ago) link

grocery store update: plenty of tp, running low on certain varieties of canned soup and jelly

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:31 (three months ago) link

lean their heads on their faces and wondering "WTF PEOPLE??!

heh...woops. lean their heads on their hands

j.o.h.n. in evanston (john. a resident of chicago.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:35 (three months ago) link

xxp yep, totally agree. Case by case, like public health needs some micromanagement nitpicking if the job couldn’t be perfectly done as well from home.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:42 (three months ago) link

really glad my wedding is not until July.

mine is june, and i'm sweating a lil bit.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 19:58 (three months ago) link

My workplace is still open and apparently senior management is split between the WFH/shut-it-down advocates and a group demanding we stay open and insisting this isn't a big deal. If anyone at work gets the 'vid I hope it's them.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:42 (three months ago) link

rooting for jim and voodoo’s weddings

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:55 (three months ago) link

I’ve clearly gone full Australian because I just burst out laughing at that.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 20:56 (three months ago) link

So I had to refresh all goddamn day to find a non-paywalled news source to confirm but, joy, someone who works in a building two blocks from my own workplace has tested positive. And now the fun begins!

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:18 (three months ago) link

Am I correct in my feeling that preparation for a situation like this can be broadly reduced to a lot of people in positions of authority saying 'psssh, nothing like this could ever happen to US'?

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:21 (three months ago) link

^^^ I think so. Although it's been interesting watching the cancellation of the Chicago St. Patrick's Day parade unfold. Publicly a handful of alderpeople were saying, "the parade must go on!" while behind the scenes they were essentially begging the mayor to come back from her vacation and cancel it for them.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:27 (three months ago) link

Current irrational thinking: everyone is going to be exposed so I need to get it now before the hospitals are full and battlefield triage kicks in because I won't make the cut

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:36 (three months ago) link

good friend buried both parents this last three months and the other lads in the group of four island lads are kinda going full tabloid about their own aul wans after being faced with this sudden burst of mortality, im veering btwn sympathy and impatience with their freakouts

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:42 (three months ago) link

xps the parade thing is mystifying to me, considering the single example of how to mishandle a pandemic that i keep seeing is philadelphia's decision to hold a flu parade (maybe the parade wasn't 'for' the flu, but the flu certainly thought it was) in 1918

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:54 (three months ago) link

Just come to my doctors office, I broke a toe at the weekend and have been exhausted for a couple of days, but no fever or other symptoms. My doctor is great and fabulously unflappable. Diagnosed a gastro type virus and told me to take it easy but still took me though the whole corona drill, symptoms, list of known contact spots, advice on what to do to protect myself (wash hands, hand washing more effective than sanitiser, use a tissue to open doors). Said I could get tested at the royal Melbourne if I was worried but also said there was no reason to be worried and the wait was long.

However, my doctors office is in a building with a language school, medical offices, diagnostic clinics etc. and everyone who walked in with me walk straight past the hand sanitiser dispenser and into the lift. Very glad my button was pressed on the way up and elbow presses on the way down.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 21:54 (three months ago) link

When you're sliding into first
And you feel something burst
Who cares, nobody around to see it
And nothing to wipe it with

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:00 (three months ago) link

I just checked the stocks & shares ISA I opened with 100 quid a couple of years ago and it was worth 97 quid, I was like fuck it just send me the cheque lol

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:11 (three months ago) link

I wonder if the IRS will allow 401ks who follow Safe Harbor to add special Hardship withdrawals for people financially impacted by it. They did in the past for hurricanes. This would be unusual but y'know...

I mean, it's all sorts of fucked up that someone would have to raid their retirement for this reason, but given the Senate rn.....

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:13 (three months ago) link

Also my doc was furious about the Grand Prix going ahead.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:17 (three months ago) link

My doc is a good bloke.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:17 (three months ago) link

I DON'T NEED AN EMAIL FROM MY FUCKING DENTIST ABOUT CORONAVIRUS

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:28 (three months ago) link

some bored PR ppl out there drafting emails about coronavirus today

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:31 (three months ago) link

probably soliciting clients. "iyo, do u need a coronavirus email? I'm drafting them for $5 and I'll give you my exclusive watermark to use in the background of ur email"

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 22:37 (three months ago) link

I got one from my kid’s field jockey league, thank god

tobo73, Thursday, 12 March 2020 00:54 (three months ago) link

quitting my job right before a pandemic-triggered recession was an interesting choice. wish I'd known I was making it at the time.

lukas, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:10 (three months ago) link

I've been getting a flurry of e-emails and social media posts from businesses and cultural institutions about their "measures" wrt the virus, most of which don't involve closing or cancelling anything. Are they just delaying the inevitable? And if there were a coordinated effort to close things now, might it in theory not have to be for as long? Obviously it would be a big financial loss, but isn't that inevitable as well?
I posted a little upthread about my selfish/trivial fear of missing out on things if they're closed/cancelled or I'm quarantined, but I'm getting the sinking sense that the responsible thing to do would be to avoid those things anyway?

MrDasher, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:11 (three months ago) link

GRRR.

OK so a few weeks ago we canceled our planned trip to Italy (for the kids' spring break, next week). Our alternative was a trip to New Orleans, where we were going to see the St. Patrick's Day Parade and the Mardi Gras Indians on Super Sunday. Well so of course New Orleans canceled ALL its public events, and we have now scrapped that trip as well (especially since New Orleans has just declared a state of emergency, which among other things means my wife would have to self-quarantine for two weeks when we got back, because of restrictions put in by the university where she works). So now we're telling the kids, like, maybe we can go to a movie one day?

But a lost spring break is a small thing, I know, compared to what a lot of people are dealing with.

Also the Big Ears Festival got canceled, which is the best weekend of the year every year here in town.

What a world.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:16 (three months ago) link

Oh and also a conference my wife was going to in San Jose next month that I was going to totally tag along on is also of course canceled. We had reservations at NOBU! (I know, 1st world problems and all.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:18 (three months ago) link

Close to cancelling our Hawaii trip, which at this rate might be out of our control by next week anyway. We have friends going to Canada, Bahamas and Disney, and I believe all three have cancelled, or are trying to cancel.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:47 (three months ago) link

canceled a trip home (both of my parents are in the high-risk age bracket and one has had a really bad health issue this year), almost certainly not going to pop conference even if there is a pop conference

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:49 (three months ago) link

still not sure at what point i'm supposed to stop doing things altogether, i have dinner reservations and tickets to see berio's sinfonia this weekend, should we still do that?

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:52 (three months ago) link

I had a slight cough/headaches/fatigue the last few days so I’ve been staying home. Kaiser told me not to bother getting tested. Symptoms are p mild so I’m kinda like eh whatever I’ll just wait this out.

More bummed that our trip to Disneyland in a few weeks is lookin less and less likely.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:52 (three months ago) link

xp -- same, honestly

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:52 (three months ago) link

I am going to Va to visit a best friend next week.

Risk of getting it on flights is still relatively low, per the experts, and we're planning on staying in for most of it anyway.

I'm selling my tix to the Orlando City game Sat tho. Doesn't feel like a good idea to crowd in with 25k people.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:53 (three months ago) link

buy low, sell high

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:55 (three months ago) link

I have the same question about if I am supposed to stop doing things and not leave my apartment for anything that's not essential. And for how long will that go on? A few months? A year?

MrDasher, Thursday, 12 March 2020 01:59 (three months ago) link

If yr not sick do whatever you want

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:00 (three months ago) link

hm emoji

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:01 (three months ago) link

that's the whole problem, though, is that there is no way for anybody to know for certain that they're not sick

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:01 (three months ago) link

staythefuckhome.com imo

(actual guidance at that link)

lukas, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:02 (three months ago) link

lemme try that again https://staythefuckhome.com

lukas, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:03 (three months ago) link

pretty much staying in unless i need food

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:03 (three months ago) link

i'm not eating food until this is all over

forensic plumber (harbl), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:06 (three months ago) link

cool a local person who attended the AIPAC conference has tested positive

forensic plumber (harbl), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:08 (three months ago) link

i have also chosen to stay home. other than walking my dog i've been home since sunday. i'm lucky that i CAN choose to do that.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:08 (three months ago) link

I was kinda joking, nobody listen to me i’m not a doctor

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:09 (three months ago) link

maybe we should all sign a quick nda

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:11 (three months ago) link

maybe this is all a trick to 1) get us all into our homes, 2) cut off internet, 3) break us all from our internet addiction

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:11 (three months ago) link

and we've been addicted for so long that this is what it looks and feels like to try come out of it

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:11 (three months ago) link

*slo-mo shot of me crying out in anger while reading a book on day 11 of no internet*

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:12 (three months ago) link

The doc appointment I was at yesterday, the receptionist loudly greeted and HUGGED a lady I guess she knew personally. Then when the lady said "actually Im here cos Im sick" and said she had a fever they made her put on a mask.

AFTER THE RECEPTIONIST HAD JUST FULL BODY HUGGED HER.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:13 (three months ago) link

Tbh I'm in major need of saving money so i am down with laying low anyway.

Other than the one excursion.

It would be nice if state and natl govt could agree on whether we have community spread, but since fuckin' Desantnis is the one denying it, I'm sure he's lying

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:17 (three months ago) link

I think my work's about to make us all work from home and I am totally down with it. We can all do our jerbs from home anyway.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:18 (three months ago) link

Lol, just after I left work this afternoon, I saw a couple of business bros shake hands and their faces simultaneously fell once they realized that we're no longer inhabiting the world of casual hand contact with our work colleagues.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:22 (three months ago) link

I had lots of awkward moments with handshakes today. I asked more than one person, "Are we still shaking hands?", and did elbow bumps instead.

We have no confirmed cases in our county, so I'm being overly cautious, but mostly trying to get into the mindset.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 12 March 2020 02:36 (three months ago) link

Cancelled gym, Criterion memberships tonight. Waiting til HBO Now renews tomorrow so I'll be able to finish the Outsider. Going to be up all night listing as much shit as I can on EBay and Reverb to hopefully build a little cash for a worst case scenario.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:04 (three months ago) link

"there is no right or wrong amount of actions to take" somewhat at odds with "stay the fuck home"

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:18 (three months ago) link

Im having a little social soiree at a bar right by my house for my birthday on saturday. I'm trying to pretend nothings wrong at the moment and just let it go ahead, because I havent seen any of my mates in fnyears and I dont want to be The Piker Yet Again, for once. No one's expressed "ew germs" concerns, and yet...

Friday 13th. Full Moon. Coronavirus. Stock market crash.

What could possibligh go wrong?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:22 (three months ago) link

"there is no right or wrong amount of actions to take" somewhat at odds with "stay the fuck home"

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:18 PM bookmarkflaglink

it's basically saying "hey we know not all of this is within your control". also it's an improvement over what's happening now where a large portion of the populace is doing this, another large chunk isn't paying attention to the news and is wiping their butt without washing hands and holding 40,000 people parties with sneezing people at it, another large chunk is paying attention and defying the conventional wisdom, and lots of big events happened instead of being cancelled where people likely got infected.

I read an article in Medium where the author pointed out China actually had 27 times the infections it thought it had during the initial outbreak, and that we probably do too.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:25 (three months ago) link

I skimmed this quickly--I don't feel like reading it now, but looks to be pretty exhaustive. Maybe posted earlier, I don't know.

http://thewalrus.ca/anatomy-of-an-epidemic/

clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:25 (three months ago) link

holding 40,000 people parties with sneezing people at it

oh you mean my pepper parties? but they're FABULOUS

j., Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:27 (three months ago) link

it was a 40,000 people pepper party paroxysm!

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 03:33 (three months ago) link

tonight's Control Top gig was a first: a punk show where everyone in attendance was consciously making an effort to keep a tiny bit of physical distance from everyone else for the most part. could get used to this tbh

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:07 (three months ago) link

Overkill was so empty that it was ridiculous. my claustrophobic self was happy but i went into the bathroom to wash hands four times

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:12 (three months ago) link

Gobbing still allowed, though?

jmm, Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:13 (three months ago) link

also got super drunk and apparently ordered Wawa hoagie via Uber Eats and then fell asleep so the driver showed up, gave up trying to wake me up, and hung the bag around my hotel door handle. woke up to find a bag with a sandwich and my name written on it waitign for me on the door, 9 hours later

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:13 (three months ago) link

haaaaa

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:16 (three months ago) link

Living the dream

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:53 (three months ago) link

i don't even remember placing the order. didn't eat the sandwich obv

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:54 (three months ago) link

Dang man, door sandwich is the best kind of sandwich

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 March 2020 04:55 (three months ago) link

I am lucky enough to live walking distance from work but I am a lazy moron and run late every morning and this morning I was running extra late and it was raining quite hard so I got the bus, which was bad because it was v full (which on reflection was inevitable since it was raining quite hard) and so I was pressed into several other people, and then by the time I got to work a) there was nobody else here who would've noticed me being late and b) it had stopped raining anyway

I disinfected my hands with a wetwipe after getting off the bus, and then with hand sanitiser on arriving in my building, and then washed my hands when I reached the right floor of the building, but yeah, I need to 1. get better at mornings and 2. maybe talk to my boss who is a p. reasonable person and will almost certainly agree that it's better for me to be 20 minutes late (and stay 20 minutes late at the end of the day, which is fine as I walk home anyway) but at a lower risk of making the whole team ill

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:43 (three months ago) link

Boy oh boy is the train ever empty this morning.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:46 (three months ago) link

Yes, I should be walking to work, laziness + shit weather is my excuse.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 10:50 (three months ago) link

This is so true..... @rivm #COVID2019NL #Corona pic.twitter.com/0tfcWnPmJl

— Lisette Paap (@Mama_Liset) March 12, 2020

This is indeed otm. Dutch gov not bothering with any real measures up till now, and it's beyond irresponsible at this point. It's mostly pointing to regional govs, science and health institutions and individual schools to come up with things. So it's p much left to everyone individual's judgement. Which will of course be totally fine, because people are sensible and logical beings erring on the side of caution amirite?

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:17 (three months ago) link

I would happily have walked to work, but I would've needed to get up an extra (checks) 3.5 hours early.

Yet another argument for switching jobs and ending this ridic commute.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:37 (three months ago) link

The messaging (across the globe, tbh) has been a mess. It's everywhere. It could be everywhere. Limit exposure. You're already exposed. You may have it. You may have already had it. Stay inside. Avoid crowds. Avoid big crowds. Avoid everybody. And for how long? Each and every one of these things alters my personal daily calculations.

For example, our in-the-balance trip to Hawaii. Do we need to go? Of course not. What is gained by not going? Well, maybe we won't get exposed, on the plane, in the airport, in Maui. Or maybe we'll stay and get exposed here. Or maybe we've been exposed and we might bring it to Maui. Maybe we've been exposed, might go to Maui, come back, and *then* exhibit symptoms. Maybe we've been exposed, go to Maui, and then exhibit symptoms there. Maybe we stay and nothing happens. Maybe we go and nothing happens. Maybe it's all over Maui. Maybe it's all over Chicago. Maybe it's not all over both places but is by the time the trip comes around in a week. Maybe it all happens midway through the trip.

It feels like the *right* thing to do is not to go, but I'm also having trouble pinpointing exactly who that helps, or at least how it helps them.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:53 (three months ago) link

I'm going to meet a newborn baby tonight and I'm very nervous about this.

Matt DC, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:56 (three months ago) link

It helps everyone. Very interaction is a chance you could pick it up or pass it on. So the fewer interactions the slower it spreads, the less chance someone vulnerable gets it and the more chance there is to find a vaccine before more vulnerable people get and the more able the healthcare system is able to cope with acute cases that do arise.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:57 (three months ago) link

Babies and children have been ok so far haven’t they? They’re not getting it as much and I don’t think I’ve seen reports of fatalities.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:58 (three months ago) link

xpost I can't remember when your trip is or if it's direct, through Honolulu, but if the airline(s)/accommodation loosened up the cancel policy, I would probably take it. If you are already having these thoughts you will be too stressed to enjoy it properly. Like IS THIS SNORKEL PROPERLY SANITIZED!?!?!

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:59 (three months ago) link

P sure I heard some casual Sinophobia on my way into the building this morning. Something akin to 'Asian people get it more easily! It started over there!'

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:01 (three months ago) link

I've heard a LOT of that.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:01 (three months ago) link

heh, someone actually told my friend on the ny subway to get away from her (he's from singapore). Relatively pretty mild, he was so upset.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:05 (three months ago) link

Heh, good point re: sanitizing snorkels. No, we're direct to Maui, and yes, they loosened up the cancellation policy, so I don't think we would lose *too* much money. It's more a thought experiment. Yeah, I know limiting exposure is the right idea, but there is no indication that, let alone self quarantine, is happening on anything sort of a large scale in this country. Yeah, the reason we wouldn't want to travel is, in the off chance we have it, we don't want to spread it. But in the off chance we have it or get it here, we don't want to spread it here, either. And that is a consideration every time we leave the house. Yet the messaging has not been clear or consistent on that point. Even Italy, they imposed quarantine .... with a bunch of loopholes, incl. closing restaurants early but not entirely. And they since seriously tightened restrictions, because half measures might as well be no measures. It seems if America is seriously about stopping this early, we all have to stay home. But America is rarely serious about anything, and I doubt that would happen.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:07 (three months ago) link

and maui is not dense at all comparatively. We've driven all over that island and you could totally hide out on some beaches and not see people.

there was a recent article though about a canadian doctor who just returned from HI and tested positive, but they don't know when she got it (she had still been seeing patients).

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:09 (three months ago) link

Yeah. I wish we could drive there! A couple of our friends, driving is their compromise. One has a sick mother in Milwaukee, but may drive to visit rather than train it. Another was going to NY, but may drive instead of fly. Not that either ultimately may help. Just perhaps slow. By, like, a couple of hours.

I should, er, stress that I'm not particularly stressed. I and my family are healthy, and there is no one in our lives (here) at particular risk. Our older parents, who recently traveled, are out of the incubation range and doing well. Our families overseas in the UK and Australia are doing well. We are in a position to weather things for a while. For that we are quite thankful. My biggest issue these days is getting over a cold (yes, a boring cold, nothing but the sniffles) that my kid gave me that has somehow reduced my sense of taste to next to nothing.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:11 (three months ago) link

so it's 5 am and i just wrote this up, hope it's not inappropriate to c&p, i don't have anywhere else to say this shit

Everybody wants to be judgemental now. Monday morning quarterbacks, looking to assign blame, whose FAULT is this. Honestly? Honestly I don't see how things could have gone down any differently. No, we didn't immediately recognize the scale of the threat or understand how best to respond. It's something that we've never faced in our lifetimes! Learning through experience, this is a necessary expedient. You can make all sorts of plans for whatever might possibly happen, but shit is happening now and it took us some time to figure out what, exactly, it is, and what we need to do about it.

So this "If we'd implemented a global quarantine two weeks ago we could have saved so many lives", it fails to recognize that underlying reality. I'm not an expert, but what I believe and how I react matters, what I'm willing to accept matters. The Overton Window has to move and it doesn't do that instantaneously. Last week I was focused entirely on two statistics - the mortality rate and the infectiousness of COVID-19. And I was reassured because everybody else was "OH MY GOD WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE" and I did not see that as an immediate outcome. I assumed that I already had the coronavirus and that I was going to live.

Well, now we're starting to understand the actual fucking problem of this epidemic. Which is not mortality, but the number of people who are going to get seriously ill. For 80% of the population COVID-19 is mild, we were told. The implication of that is obvious and I chose not to think about it, chose to focus on the positive. There are going to be a lot of people who are going to be very sick, and the number of them who are going to die is directly dependent on our healthcare systems' capacity to treat those people. That is why this is a crisis. For a quarantine to have started two weeks ago, you would have had to convince the global population that what appeared to be a minor inconvenience was a major crisis, that everybody needed to stop leaving their house immediately despite nobody being sick, and more importantly to do that without having the entire populace completely overtaken by mass panic.

I've lived through a few hurricanes. People are capable of being convinced. People are capable of preparing for this shit. As long as, you know, it's happened in living memory. Which it hasn't, and all we can do is make pointless comparisons to the Spanish Flu which are about as valuable and useful as talking about the Antonine Plague as far as I can tell.

This is going to be difficult. People are going to die unnecessarily. A lot of things are going to go down that are outside anybody's control. My personal priority isn't pointing the finger right now, it's surviving and learning as much as I can from the experience.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:15 (three months ago) link

xp I think my calculus in a situation like yours Josh, if indeed the factors seem to be too numerous and contradictory, would be to err on the side of caution and just not go.

The only certainty is that by not traveling you reduce the odds of becoming a vector. Yes, it's impossible to know by how much, but if it's the welfare of others we're talking about you may decide that doesn't matter.

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:16 (three months ago) link

xp Kate otm. Speaking of pointing fingers: I heard your presidetn referred to COVID19 as "the foreign virus"...

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:19 (three months ago) link

Not my presidetn.

xxpost I tend to agree. But I just got my first real world example of personal calculation. My daughter just asked me for a ride to school, and I said ok. Then she asked if we could give her friend a ride, since I prefer to carpool. OK. Then she added that her friend needed a ride because her friend's mom was sick. Whoa, wait a second. Sick how? She had to write her back for me to make sure it wasn't bad, and indeed no fever or vomiting, just doesn't feel well (turns out it was a UTI, which my wife knew). But if her mom *was* exhibiting ay flu-like symptoms, I guess I would have said ... no?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:22 (three months ago) link

xpost kate: Modern people are very reactive instead of proactive (ex: their health) and that really needs to change. And the idealized/fetishization of separateness and individual freedom means people don't have an understanding of how everything is connected and what could be impacted.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:24 (three months ago) link

I'm pretty much as lucky as I can be w/r/t risk to others or myself - I'm young, no risk factors, and in Canada where so far the confirmed infection rate is not very high (knock on wood); more importantly neither work nor life puts me in contact with elderly folks except in briefest passing via public transit; I did have US travel plans this summer but it seems like it'll be possible to get refunded on most if not all of that so all I'll experience is mild disappointment; I can work from home as needed so there's no financial risk.

Mostly I just wish there was something useful I could actually DO rather than just avoid doing. (I expect there will be no shortage of Gofundmes etc to help keep ppl afloat when they inevitably lose their jobs or risk eviction so I guess there's that.)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:33 (three months ago) link

I'm uncertain who the we/us is in Kate's post?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:35 (three months ago) link

i assumed it was a general we/us? And for clarification my post was also in general and not a criticism but just an add on of what kate wrote.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:37 (three months ago) link

i will totally blame the US government though for lying and wishing it would all just go away and our entire history of failing to provide an adequate healthcare system that cares for everyone.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:39 (three months ago) link

To clarify, too: "your presidetn" wasn't meant to in any way align you with Trump, Kate.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:41 (three months ago) link

I just feel there's been some variance visible even in this thread on the metric "recognize the scale of the threat or understand how best to respond"?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:44 (three months ago) link

I love this article (my post was touching it). It's mostly about climate change but also could be applied to how we got here.

https://harpers.org/archive/2016/07/the-ideology-of-isolation/

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:47 (three months ago) link

oh shit. sorry. I just realized this was not apolitical anymore.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:51 (three months ago) link

Schools close, Tom Hanks, trouble in the big banks, no vaccine, quarantine, no more toilet paper seen.

Travel ban, Weinstein, panic COVID-19, NBA, gone away, what else do I have to sayyyyyy https://t.co/N86qx9wZxq

— The Caffeinated Therapist (@bellabee13) March 12, 2020

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:52 (three months ago) link

You're covered by the thread title tbf xp

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:52 (three months ago) link

Got a weird email from my manager at 10pm about figuring out how to keep our operations going remotely. So I guess I might be working from home soon.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:55 (three months ago) link

Having said all that, in retrospect it does occur to me that "if you think you're sick stay home" probably wasn't terribly helpful advice. I'm not interested in assigning blame, but I am interested in knowing who on earth thought propagating that message was a good idea, and why they thought it was a good idea.

This is a new pathogen that none of us have experienced before. We don't know what its early symptoms are. We don't know in detail how it spreads. There's reason to suspect that there might be some period of time - we don't know how long - wherein an infected person is asymptomatic but can still infect others. Differentiating it from cold or flu or other common upper respiratory infections is extremely difficult. Under these conditions, what's the functional difference between "If you think you might be sick, stay home" and "Stay home if you feel like it"? And what logical thought process would lead one to conclude that either of these statements might possibly be an effective containment measure?

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This is mostly apolitical but since it came up... I don't speak for the President, the President doesn't speak for me, listen to me, care what I have to say, acknowledge me as human. I don't know what I can do here but shrug. We have in office a professionally incompetent President whose ideological and political base is centered around the sorts of people who only a few years ago were spinning wild conspiracy theories about "FEMA death camps". Do I think this bodes well for the effectiveness of the federal response to the crisis? No. Is it likely that people who listen to the President are more likely to suffer adverse outcomes because of the President's words and actions here? Yes. Would I like to see the President held responsible for those words and actions? Yes. Do I, at this point, have any practical opportunity to make this happen? Not really. Is all this even a priority of mine right now? No, my priority is, like I said, surviving and learning as much as I can out of the experience.

Like I said, a lot of things are going to go down outside of anyone's control, and if I can say anything about the last four years, it's that I've gotten very used to that. I have a much better sense now, I feel, of what things I can practically affect, and how, than I did in 2016.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 12 March 2020 12:58 (three months ago) link

I think a lot of state and local governments recognize that they cannot rely on the stupid asshole for help, let alone competence.

Looking into our trip, it seems the only catch is airbnb, whose cancellation policy is linked (for now) to explicit outbreak destinations. Ergo, if we cancelled our trip to Maui we'd likely have to eat the cost, unless the owners themselves (did the right thing and) allowed us to cancel or at least reschedule.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:07 (three months ago) link

Oh great, another US politics thread

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:13 (three months ago) link

Babies and children have been ok so far haven’t they? They’re not getting it as much and I don’t think I’ve seen reports of fatalities.

― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 11:58 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i understand why ppl are being fuzzy out of sensitivity to those held to me most at risk, but imo this us why clarity about this stuff has to be prioritised.

ppl will be dicks with the info ir not, but the info has to be clear

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:14 (three months ago) link

I’d be nervous about meeting a baby in case it gave it to me

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:18 (three months ago) link

Try to avoid handshakes with babies.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:19 (three months ago) link

don't share a snorkel with a baby.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:20 (three months ago) link

If you're going to a business meeting make sure no babies have been invited.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:21 (three months ago) link

*must not make masturbating in front of babbies joke*

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:22 (three months ago) link

2020 Babby Annual Meeting has been canceled.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:23 (three months ago) link

If you're going to a business meeting make sure no babies have been invited.

― God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:21 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

would that twere so simple

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:26 (three months ago) link

id be nervous meeting a baby, only cause they’re so judgmental

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:26 (three months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAG-Ec4b-zw

nashwan, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:28 (three months ago) link

lol

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:28 (three months ago) link

if you look around the room and don't see a baby, you're baby

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:29 (three months ago) link

Just received a company-wide 'remote-work capabilities' mandatory survey. FINGERS CROSSED. Although, having never been given the option of working before, my at-home set-up is woefully inadequate wrt doing my job at home. I'd expect a roughlyyyyyy (taps furiously at calculator keys) 80% reduction in productivity? I pretty much need two screens and my laptop only has one. Oh well!

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:35 (three months ago) link

yeah I usually have 2-3 huge screens at work and would only work on my little laptop in bed, but still worth it to work at home!

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:39 (three months ago) link

For sure.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:41 (three months ago) link

What if your boss is a babby, like in the hit motion picture Boss Babby? What then?

I finally traded in my desktop PC at work for a work-approved laptop with VPN access to our network, making it easier if I need to wfh for an extended period of time. Which, if I see one more case within a 5-mile radius of my living room, is exactly what I'm going to do, after I seal my house in one of those big E.T. quarantine tents.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:45 (three months ago) link

Oh great, another US politics thread

― God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.)

look, i stay out of the dedicated politics threads, if people are going to bring this shit up in response to my posts i'm not going to pretend it doesn't matter

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 12 March 2020 13:56 (three months ago) link

Still no working from home for me, the new thing is to come to work and set up online meetings I guess.

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:17 (three months ago) link

The title does say mostly apolitical…

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:18 (three months ago) link

So the university I work for is also now sending most students home and switching to online classes for the rest of the semester and having most people tele-commute. However, I'm apparently somehow considered "essential personnel", so I guess I just have to start assuming and planning as if it's a 100% certainty I'll get this in the next few weeks.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:20 (three months ago) link

We share our floor in the building with Willis Towers Watson, and they have a large reception area & offices right out of the elevator lobby as well as several other spaces all controlled by security card access. As of this morning there are signs on every door stating that if you have traveled recently to China, Italy, Iran, South Korea or Japan, not to proceed beyond that point and to speak to your manager immediately.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:44 (three months ago) link

Kinda surreal at work as we go about cancelling all our events through April but everyone is talking about what shows they're still going to next week despite SXSW being cancelled.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 March 2020 14:58 (three months ago) link

We’re still not working from home yet either. Someone sitting near me just fainted! Things are starting to feel surreal and I almost laughed at the absurdity of the situation.

MrDasher, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:03 (three months ago) link

just reading through this morning's posts.

sorry to be so blunt and judgmental, but josh if you're looking for clear messaging, here it is: do not go on your planned hawaii trip. ed (and many others) explained upthread:

It helps everyone. Very interaction is a chance you could pick it up or pass it on. So the fewer interactions the slower it spreads, the less chance someone vulnerable gets it and the more chance there is to find a vaccine before more vulnerable people get and the more able the healthcare system is able to cope with acute cases that do arise.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed),

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:17 (three months ago) link

you don't have to analyze this 4 million different ways. if you feel later that your life was ruined because you didn't go to hawaii in the middle of a global pandemic when everyone was being told* to distance themselves from others as much as possible, you can blame it on me.

*yes, i know that some people are sending a different message. let's try to pay more attention to the cautious people who know what they're talking about*

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:19 (three months ago) link

Karl otmfm

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:22 (three months ago) link

Okay, now the VP of our division emailed me and the rest of the hourly staff to see if we have the ability to work from home in the event that our office is shut down, so shit is most definitely getting real.

But, y'know, y'all wait to pull the trigger until I finally do get sick, I'm just gonna be home watching hours of MeTV on the couch and not doing shit for you for a while.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:23 (three months ago) link

be kind, be kind, be kind, be kind.

also thank god TD Bank is here for me

I'm reaching out to you directly to say that TD Bank is here for you, especially when COVID-19 is affecting so much of daily life. We want to make sure banking is easy, convenient and available to you whenever and wherever you need it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:44 (three months ago) link

TD Bank used to be there for me, too. but then i switched to a different bank and we haven't been speaking, ever since.

i just got a coronavirus update from a hair salon i went to a couple years ago

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:48 (three months ago) link

Fwiw, flying itself isn't the issue. Even one of the virologists who was screaming about how bad the US is handling this stated it's difficult to spread on a plane due to the HEPA filters and that flying wasn't a big risk. It's more the 'interacting with people once you land' that's the problem.

Traveling by bus, otoh, is just asking for it.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:52 (three months ago) link

I don't need to be preached at about what is right or wrong. I get it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:56 (three months ago) link

The same reason I wouldn't go anywhere is the same reason anybody shouldn't be going anywhere.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:57 (three months ago) link

sorry to preach, but your posts don't indicate that you get it

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:58 (three months ago) link

josh otm afaict

unless we're presuming everyone not flying is literally indoors religiously self-isolating, like?

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 15:59 (three months ago) link

xpost Whatever. Fine, replace Hawaii with Ohio. Or downtown Chicago. Or the store on the corner.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:00 (three months ago) link

see what i mean

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:00 (three months ago) link

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the pandemic thread!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:23 (three months ago) link

I don’t necessarily think it’s unfair to want hard, unambiguous statements about what to do and not to do. yes, there’s “stay home if you’re sick,” but that does precisely nothing to clarify things for people who aren’t sick. (not to mention if “home” = around roommates or, more serious, inmunocompromised relatives, but that’s neither here nor there.)

like, for instance, I have canceled pretty much all travel until late may, and late may might also be canceled, but it’s not up to me in that case. (ironically one trip was to get some lab work done, but I guess I go without). one job is remote already, one is in person but likely to go remote.

but beyond that, what? do I go to restaurants? do I go to readings/events/parties/game nights/etc.? do I order stuff online, via usps or otherwise? do I see people in public at all? the guidelines on this are both maddeningly vague and heavily (and in this case understandably) morally charged. (and there’s also a lot of research suggesting that isolation is bad for your mental health as well as physical)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:28 (three months ago) link

Agree. I mean, the UK govt line is increasingly controversial but at least it's a line and they're sticking to it. My US colleagues instead have a giant shrug and a "the markets are fine" as official advice.

stet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:30 (three months ago) link

my wife and I decided last night we should postpone the trip we had planned for Disneyland at the end of this month. there's gonna be tears.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

also, “buy food and supplies. but not too much food, you monster. but also you should buy food and supplies, and more than usual. if you don’t use hand sanitizer you are typhoid mary. if you buy hand sanitizer you are stealing it from everyone else who needs it more. if there’s no hand sanitizer don’t buy the resale stuff. but you need to use hand sanitizer. also, hand sanitizer is not helpful. oh also you shouldn’t be in crowds so stores are out. no, stores are ok. but not too much.” the whole thing is fucking nightmarish to try to optimize, but also it is a consensus that somehow one must

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

stores are crowds? I don't shop anywhere where there's more than like 50 people in the store at a time.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

if you live in new york city that’s a fucking miracle, the average grocery store is as cramped and crowded as a rush hour subway train even on a good day.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:36 (three months ago) link

katherine otm. do yr best, don't be a dick, stay informed, but no sense in worrying yrself sick over it (do u see what I did there)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:38 (three months ago) link

yep

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:40 (three months ago) link

yeah, no one can know your exact situation so everyone just needs to make the best decision they can for themselves based upon current information and your own sense of what is going on.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:43 (three months ago) link

lol I'm getting all these emails from reps that are like "Just want you to know I'm thinking about you."

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:45 (three months ago) link

The only moral challenge I expect to face in the short term is if I do fall ill before the IL primary next Tuesday. But I gotta vote, man. I just gotta.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:48 (three months ago) link

vote by mail!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:49 (three months ago) link

I don’t know that it’s otm when the gist of my post is “I have no idea what the fuck to do and nobody will tell me”; I feel like fleabag with the priest right now

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:50 (three months ago) link

if you live in new york city that’s a fucking miracle, the average grocery store is as cramped and crowded as a rush hour subway train even on a good day.

I live in NJ and when I go to the grocery store the aisles have 1-2 people in them and there's maybe 3 people ahead of me at the register. I once did an interview at the Jazz Standard and figured I'd swing by the Trader Joe's near there afterward, to pick up a single item, and when I walked in there was a line from the front door to the registers. It was fucking stunning. I turned around and walked out. I don't know how people live like that.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:50 (three months ago) link

ha, I guess I took yr post as a way of saying there's too much contradictory messaging getting thrown around so it's useless trying to satisfy all possible conditions perfectly xp

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:51 (three months ago) link

vote by mail!

― Karl Malone, Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:49 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think it may be too late at this point, as you have to request a ballot which they then have to mail to you. Maybe, though. I'll look into it.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:54 (three months ago) link

i'll continue bluntly saying things i guess, even though it's not a good look and i understand everyone is stressed out (including me, that's for fucking sure)

if you don’t use hand sanitizer you are typhoid mary. if you buy hand sanitizer you are stealing it from everyone else who needs it more. if there’s no hand sanitizer don’t buy the resale stuff. but you need to use hand sanitizer. also, hand sanitizer is not helpful.

who is saying all these things????

"if you don’t use hand sanitizer you are typhoid mary" translation: use at least some hand sanitizer
"if you buy hand sanitizer you are stealing it from everyone else who needs it more" translation: don't buy a 60-pack from costco
"if there’s no hand sanitizer don’t buy the resale stuff" translation: i don't know what i'm talking about
"but you need to use hand sanitizer. also, hand sanitizer is not helpful" translation: i am just trying to troll you

no one is going to be able to give precise advice because everyone's situation is different. just use common sense, as much as you can, that's all anyone is asking for

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:55 (three months ago) link

how the fuck is your fucking takeaway from this that I am trying to troll people and not that I am scared

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:56 (three months ago) link

Just got approval to have our remote-work app installed. Inching ever closer to...well, probably to my place of work continuing to kick the can down the road and stick with their 'wait and see' approach until they wait and see an office full of employees succumb to viral infection. But a candle of hope yet flickers in the darkness.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:57 (three months ago) link

like can we please assume the actual goddamn fucking MINIMUM of good faith for the love of fuck

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:58 (three months ago) link

"but you need to use hand sanitizer. also, hand sanitizer is not helpful" translation: i am just trying to troll you

i am saying, whoever is saying to YOU is trying to troll you

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:58 (three months ago) link

xpost unperson. I used to go to the chelsea Trader joes every saturday morning after the gym and it was empty.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:59 (three months ago) link

you just have to know the off times.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:59 (three months ago) link

yeah every workplace i hear about is "Monitoring the situation" which is the same phrase they use when they hold off on closing down for a blizzard until everyone is at work and the roads and train lines are shut down.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 16:59 (three months ago) link

Every store I've been in for the past, what, 3-4 weeks? has been completely out of hand sanitizer. And then over the past couple weeks, they've also been out of disinfectant wipes, alcohol swabs, etc. Clearly, some overzealous people will be refashioning dozens of unused sanitizer bottles into furniture and decorative tchotchkes over the coming years.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:00 (three months ago) link

I do think a lot of this stuff is not rocket science but if ppl really are struggling to figure out what a reasonable amount is then stores need to implement fair use policies (as quite a few already are)

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:03 (three months ago) link

I found a one quarter full tiny bottle of hand sanitizer in my glove compartment last night and it was the same feeling as finding $20 in a jacket I hadn't worn for a year.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

Like, yeah, ppl are being called dicks for clearing the shelves of toilet paper so nobody else can get any; no, you will not be called a monster for buying an economy pack

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:05 (three months ago) link

I'm going to make what I hope to be one last stop at the store tonight and stare dejectedly at the ravaged shelves and then hope that I can somehow sustain myself for the foreseeable future on the twenty boxes of taco shells and clearanced chipotle mayo that I leave with.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:11 (three months ago) link

The thing I'm most profoundly failing to understand atm is the number of people in this very office who already have the ability to work from home and who work from home multiple days in any given week who are unaccountably in the office right now. Just why.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

Presenteeism...the real disease

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:15 (three months ago) link

xp because they still think this is Somebody Else's Problem, I reckon.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:16 (three months ago) link

my 60something parents have been struggling with severe flu-like symptoms since sunday and my diabetic/epileptic brother for a whole week now

they're made of stern stuff (brother's condition/dad's chainsmoking notwithstanding) but this has me a bit worried. and it takes a lot to worry me. what is reassuring is that they've had it (whatever it is, probably coronavirus) for a few days and no respiratory difficulties reported

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:22 (three months ago) link

I mean I can't speak for anyone else but I am in the office because I fucking have to be

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:24 (three months ago) link

katherine the best all-in-one guide to how to respond to coronavirus that I've seen is https://flattenthecurve.com. From a member of the public health faculty at the U of Oregon.

lukas, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:28 (three months ago) link

I’m disgusted with my workplace. It’s becoming clear to me that they are not going to trigger WFH until forced to by the city. This is not safe. Not for the many twentysomethings in the office even, and not for those of us pushing fifty with chronic health shit.

What do you guys think if I just tell them I have a persistent low grade fever. I’m tired of this dance.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:29 (three months ago) link

The Metropolitan Opera and Carnegie Hall have canceled performances through the end of the month. The Metropolitan Museum of Art is also closing.

MrDasher, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:33 (three months ago) link

Good strategy imho xp

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:33 (three months ago) link

Xps hope they get well soon, LJ

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:37 (three months ago) link

Forgot to mention, but pasta was the only non-TP, non-sanitizer section I saw at Target last night. Went specifically to grab a few things, including linguine, and I got literally the last two boxes of pasta.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:40 (three months ago) link

i get what katherine is saying in the sense that, just like with lots of other stuff in this shitty performative age, there's a group of people (not necessarily anyone itt) who are going to stake out the most extreme position and then act like even the slightest nudge against it makes you some kind of moral monster. i think people have an especially difficult time resisting this impulse when you have a group of people on the other side of the spectrum politically who are being aggressively ignorant and reckless about the danger. but yeah, there are a lot of slippery slopes here: I shouldn't go to a concert, but can I go to the grocery store? should I go to work? to church? i caught some of Scott Van Pelt on Sportscenter last night having this discussion with some other guy and SVP was trying very gently and with a million qualifiers to try and navigate what is and isn't acceptable right now and the other dude was basically just shutting him down and sort of implying that anything short of cancelling everything sports-related right now is monstrous. I mean, the easiest thing to do rhetorically is just say you shouldn't leave your house at all and you're killing people if you do.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:42 (three months ago) link

Very curious to see what happens with a friend's wedding at the end of the month

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:56 (three months ago) link

an important point they are hammering home in the UK is that this is a marathon not a sprint. They're not closing schools now because it's not feasible to keep children locked down for 16 weeks, and the peak is still 10-14 weeks away.

(which is what makes fucking testing so important, because who knows exactly where the US is on the curve?)

stet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:57 (three months ago) link

I don’t think it’s remotely controversial to say feeding yourself is fine? Or that the distinction between picking up a few extra things in case you’re staying home for a while before going out again vs taking more pasta than you’d ever eat in a year isn’t clear?

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:57 (three months ago) link

for real

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:02 (three months ago) link

I have a handful of friends that like to vent but absolutely don't want any advice, so I am usually like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ until they ask explicitly.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:03 (three months ago) link

Presenteeism...the *real* disease


For real. I said at work today that I’m gonna ask to take the next couple of weeks off *as part of my holiday entitlement* and people in my team were v weird about it

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:04 (three months ago) link

I have a handful of friends that like to vent but absolutely don't want any advice, so I am usually like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ until they ask explicitly.

this seems like the better way to respond

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:09 (three months ago) link

Yeah, if they haven't made the WFH call by like tomorrow, Imma be makin' the call for them, and my call will be all about the H without any of that pesky WF.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:10 (three months ago) link

ty gyac

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:11 (three months ago) link

all county schools now closed for 2 weeks by order of the governor, all county residents now advised not to leave the county

Mordy, Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:16 (three months ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html

New York will ban most gatherings of more than 500 people, including Broadway shows, and restrict smaller gatherings in an extraordinary step to fight the growing outbreak of the coronavirus in the state, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo announced on Thursday.

The restrictions represent New York’s most forceful move yet to try to mitigate the spread of the virus. They are expected to have a profound impact on the city’s cultural institutions, including Broadway, a multibillion dollar industry at the heart of New York’s tourist trade.

The ban will take effect at 5 p.m. Thursday for Broadway theaters and will go into effect for other venues on Friday at 5 p.m., Mr. Cuomo said.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:26 (three months ago) link

Welp, so much for my NY trip in April.

coronoshebettadontvirus (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:28 (three months ago) link

and restrict smaller gatherings

this is the big part said quietly. like restaurants? bars?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:31 (three months ago) link

Welp, so much for my NY trip in April

Already spiked mine.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:32 (three months ago) link

travelling before like July (at best) seems inadvisable now

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:35 (three months ago) link

yup :(

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:38 (three months ago) link

well i stopped (I actually never began) studying for an exam I was supposed to take in May.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:38 (three months ago) link

Heard through the grapevine a moment ago that someone in another of our company's buildings (not in our company's office, but still) just tested positive. And we just keep on a-whistling past that ol' graveyard.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:47 (three months ago) link

company president just sent out the email, fucking finally. a couple of days late IMO but good faith somewhat restored

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:49 (three months ago) link

Of course the fucking Republican woman who works across from my wife decided it was fine to travel and come back into work this week. Today she called out sick and says she's trying to get tested for the virus.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:53 (three months ago) link

You can all rest assured, we canceled our trip. Phew, outbreak averted!

Seriously though, we managed to get full refunds or credits on everything but the airbnb rental, which is mostly up to the owner, who did the best they could and got us 50%. The economic impact of this down the road is going to be huge, even when the virus is gone and the markets settle (assuming either of those things happen any time soon). Cancelling our trip to Maui alone means a couple thousand dollars not spent in a small, insular island tourist community. Losing SXSW lost Austin an estimated $350 million. I imagine there are hundreds of examples between those two extremes.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 18:54 (three months ago) link

I'm in NYC at the moment. I've never seen LGA so quiet at noon. My plane had 17 passengers at my count. I do feel some trepidation and I've considered returning early but I figured the trip was in motion and there were a couple people I really needed to see.

Now I feel some guilt.

My university ended face-to-face classes yesterday thru April 4 at least.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:00 (three months ago) link

The governor just ordered all schools in my county closed. Said to avoid theaters, gyms and stores.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:06 (three months ago) link

What about bouncy houses?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:07 (three months ago) link

using them as makeshift hospitals

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:08 (three months ago) link

If I had to choose between a hospital and a bouncy hospital ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:12 (three months ago) link

bouncy hospital = less prolonged contact with surfaces

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:12 (three months ago) link

But potentially more contact with a variety of surfaces/other wildly-bouncing patients and medical staff.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:19 (three months ago) link

i get what katherine is saying in the sense that, just like with lots of other stuff in this shitty performative age, there's a group of people (not necessarily anyone itt) who are going to stake out the most extreme position and then act like even the slightest nudge against it makes you some kind of moral monster. i think people have an especially difficult time resisting this impulse when you have a group of people on the other side of the spectrum politically who are being aggressively ignorant and reckless about the danger. but yeah, there are a lot of slippery slopes here: I shouldn't go to a concert, but can I go to the grocery store? should I go to work? to church? i caught some of Scott Van Pelt on Sportscenter last night having this discussion with some other guy and SVP was trying very gently and with a million qualifiers to try and navigate what is and isn't acceptable right now and the other dude was basically just shutting him down and sort of implying that anything short of cancelling everything sports-related right now is monstrous. I mean, the easiest thing to do rhetorically is just say you shouldn't leave your house at all and you're killing people if you do.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 12 March 2020 17:42 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

booming post

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:22 (three months ago) link

I definitely don't want to shame anyone for their choices with this, and I apologize if I came off that way in any of my earlier posts. Obviously no one really knows how to handle it on a personal level. I'm bristling because I'm scared. It is definitely frustrating not feeling like there's a clear program to follow, especially when it comes to "social distancing" etc.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:39 (three months ago) link

TBF I usually do wind up killing people whenever I leave my house.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:41 (three months ago) link

I didn’t accuse anyone specifically; it should be clear to anyone paying attention the massive amount of sometimes contradictory but equally weighted mandates (with real stakes) coming from all directions

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:43 (three months ago) link

Hope your family will be ok LJ.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:51 (three months ago) link

anything short of cancelling everything sports-related right now is monstrous

No, this is true. Only greedy fucks would actually go forward at this point. And I say this as a Flyers fan who hasn't had a team this good in ten years, but I will be shocked if there are any NHL or NBA playoffs this year.

Biden my time/Drinking her wine (PBKR), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:51 (three months ago) link

That's literally the only thing I've heard the wanks behind me getting worked up about in the midst of this shit. Naw, man! You can't take our sports!!!!!

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 19:53 (three months ago) link

my nephew has a fucking hockey tournament this weekend and my mother has decided not to go, i guess the mn youth hockey association sent out a email saying old or compromised ppl shouldn't attend...but they aren't cancelling?

and it's not even greed! they probably lose money putting this shit on

but MN and hockey is fucking nutso, who knows

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:06 (three months ago) link

xxxp is this new username part of your social distancing

not sure how I feel abt it

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:08 (three months ago) link

Very best wishes, LJ.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:10 (three months ago) link

I help coach my son's indoor flag football team, which is still on for the time being. Two weeks ago we shifted the kids from post-game "good game" lineup from slapping hands to elbow bumps, but maybe this time we'll just have them shout "good game" at each other from a respectable distance.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:10 (three months ago) link

I'm mostly afraid of how many people will be financially devastated by this. I don't trust our government to take care of us. I have too many loved ones who might be severely fucked.

These were the right moves by the country. But we have an ass backwards government that will probably let its populace suffer.

I am sooooo thankful that I can work from home and I have decent savings, but there are way too many who don't.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:14 (three months ago) link

I had a customer today who was complaining that people were making way too big of a deal about this. 10 minutes later I see my county has its first case. Cool!

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:15 (three months ago) link

Making a big thing out of it would have been a good idea

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:16 (three months ago) link

A MONTH AGO

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:16 (three months ago) link

many xps it's just my feelings about Star Wars

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:18 (three months ago) link

All Ontario schools are being closed for two weeks after March break.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/all-public-schools-in-ontario-will-be-closed-for-two-weeks-after-march-break-due-to-covid-19-1.4850653

On the FB chat group I'm on for my old school, the immediate reaction was twofold: good, and will we get paid? Which I totally understand (doesn't apply to me, being retired). They're currently in extremely acrimonious labour talks/work-to-rule with our Trump-like premier, and if anyone would try to withhold payment, he would.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:28 (three months ago) link

xp sorry I thought for a moment you were KM returning to a variation on his bygone identity

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:29 (three months ago) link

lollll I live in SF and someone just posted to FB "poly peeps: how should we handle multiple relationships in the current context? what's the math on this?"

lukas, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:34 (three months ago) link

best wishes to your family, imago

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:37 (three months ago) link

just saw imago's post, so sorry to hear about that and best wishes for your family!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:38 (three months ago) link

^^^

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:38 (three months ago) link

finally, someone has posted an answer to my questions upthread

https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2020/03/coronavirus-what-does-social-distancing-mean/607927/

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:43 (three months ago) link

(not sarcasm, this does answer a fair amount of those questions)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:45 (three months ago) link

hey PBKR

Wash your hands for 45 seconds, 1 second for every consecutive year the Flyers have gone without a Stanley Cup

— SinceFlyersLastCup (@SinceFlyersCup) March 12, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:47 (three months ago) link

(throws battery)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:49 (three months ago) link

My partner gets medical hand sanitiser on prescription, usually more than he needs, so we are awash with the stuff. We’ve stuck a bottle just inside the front door. I might even eventually start remembering to use it.

I start rehearsals next week for a Eurovision-themed comedy musical, that we are putting on in Rotterdam in Eurovision week. So I am very aware of the deafening silence coming from the Netherlands. I’ll be amazed if we actually get to perform it.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 12 March 2020 20:50 (three months ago) link

Disneyland closed

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:10 (three months ago) link

Pornhub open

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:16 (three months ago) link

Goofy getting tested

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:20 (three months ago) link

14 local cases. Finally saw masks on all staff and most of the patrons of the local Chinese grocer. I felt embarassed that I didn't bring one (still sealed in a 5 pk at home). I tried not to breath on anybody...

Sanpaku, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:35 (three months ago) link

I'm actually impressed by how quickly things seem to be cancelling or reducing. I think everyone knows the (federal) government is absolutely no help here, but the state governments seem to be appropriately aggressive (however belatedly!).

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:40 (three months ago) link

Cuomo basically told all the State governors "you're on your own, don't wait for help from the Federal government"

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:41 (three months ago) link

ty everyone, about time i checked on 'em again

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:43 (three months ago) link

my company had to evacuate it's San Juan office today as one of the employees was infected. one of my team members was over there and they put her back on an emergency flight. She wasn't in the same room with this person, to my knowledge, but they evacuated the building to sanitize it, they have closed it tomorrow, and when they return, for a period, they're having everybody work from home, and those who can't will be paid Emergency Pay.

for once....I'm thrilled with my company.

Disneyland is apparently paying its employees during the closure. I worry about my brother losing his gigs at Universal, as they pay most of his bills.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:43 (three months ago) link

The feds are gonna need to bail out a lot of ppl financially tho. States cant do that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:43 (three months ago) link

But yes I’m glad stat govs appear to be stepping up

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:44 (three months ago) link

Sorry, stupid phone

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:44 (three months ago) link

Maybe Bloomberg can just bail everyone out lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:45 (three months ago) link

xxxpost which is exactly why I feel so fuckin' miserable rn. I have little faith it will happen. and if it does, what, $600 to everybody? it won't cut it.

hoping sanity prevails. a lotta people will go under otherwise.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 21:45 (three months ago) link

Just used my fancy new WFH app to log in to my work email and see if any decision had been made about closing the office...aaaaaaaaaand it would appear that our systems have completely shit the bed for about the fourth time this week and absolutely nothing is accessible remotely (or, presumably, locally). Huh. Well. Hmm.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:02 (three months ago) link

Everyoen I know went to Golden Plains over the weekend (big 3 day hipster music fest out in the bush) and no one seemed wary. I guess I'll find out if 3/4 of Brunswick suddenly falls ill in a week's time.

Ha I spoke too soon, there was a confirmed case at the festival.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:02 (three months ago) link

Was surprisingly able to stock up on a range of nonperishables at the store! TP, however, was completely gone. I think my gf is picking some up from her folks in the burbs tho.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:04 (three months ago) link

out of TP, using Rand McNally maps instead

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:05 (three months ago) link

Idg the TP thing but then we order 48pks of recycled tp off the internet so not an issue for us anyway

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:07 (three months ago) link

shit yea

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:07 (three months ago) link

I think a better strategy is "shit no."

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:08 (three months ago) link

I just ordered a bidet attachment for $20.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:08 (three months ago) link

my (public) school was shut down an hour ago. our district has a lot and lots of connections with biogen. there are a few presumptive cases in town –– family members of students – and the hysteria reached a fever pitch. two weeks minimum at home. I'm going to have to teach from my couch..

rb (soda), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:09 (three months ago) link

I went to the supermarket on the way home to get something for tea and bought some TP just because it was literally the last one in the shop and I don't have a whole lot left but am still mystified why people are doing this. And I'm Colonel Poo! If I don't know why, nobody does

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:09 (three months ago) link

Amazon is out of toilet paper. toilet paper holders, on the other hand.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:10 (three months ago) link

Have a bad feeling any success from e-teaching is going to have fallout down the line.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:10 (three months ago) link

students at most US colleges don't want it and wouldn't pay nearly as much for it

silby, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:12 (three months ago) link

and public K-12 schools won't offer it at all because of equity issues

silby, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:12 (three months ago) link

I have a conversation class hosted by someone who is >70 tomorrow evening and thinking I should prob cancel just in case, but if they are less panicked than me then maybe my cancellation will seem weird, or induce panic that I may be definitely ill and therefore already have infected them, or just annoy the teacher who won't get paid? Eh.

Probably the right thing to do but will need phrasing carefully - in an sms-sized chunk of not-my-1st-language, yay!

also the bf thinks I'm overreacting (which is fair, I'm a worrywort/hypochondriac) so if I stay home I'll need to tell him an excuse that definitely doesn't involve me cancelling

a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:15 (three months ago) link

OTM Silby/Milo. But also, I've DEFINITELY taken great online classes. However, they are engineered from the ground up to foster digital engagement, not just videos that's transferred to Blackboard or Canvas or Moodle, and have discussion boards monitored by a disinterested TA.

However, teaching scared little guys is a different issue. I've got preadolescent children to think about. I'm going to try to provide consistency and emotional stability. Some nominal objectives, but mostly just a sense of community. It's gonna be rough.

rb (soda), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:16 (three months ago) link

News from the front: Whole Foods I stopped at this afternoon looked ravaged for the first time and the shoppers generally looked shook. Pasta aisle was almost completely picked through except for some of the specialty/high-end brands. I had bought $300 of shelf stable stuff (pasta, rice beans, lentils, etc) three weeks ago but you can't help pick up some vibes from the herd.

I just want to wish the best to all ilxors; let's be good to each other over the next couple weeks.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:19 (three months ago) link

the large department store I went to today was out of toilet paper, most bags of dried beans/rice, and all sanitizer & alcohol.

here we go.

sleeve, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:22 (three months ago) link

oh and no digital thermometer, of course

sleeve, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:22 (three months ago) link

My mom (71) just emailed to tell me she and my aunt are going on a Viking river cruise in October, up the Danube to Prague. "Viking has cancelled all cruises in Europe this month and next. Those travellers are pushing into autumn so I needed to jump in."

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:27 (three months ago) link

xps: TP isn't a high margin item for grocers/discount stores, certainly not by volumes required. Sensibly, most stock more days of supply of canned goods etc than of TP. A not-so-great uptick in demand from those stocking up to self-quarantine, and TP is among the first things to disappear; that starts an entirely different sort of consumer demand fed by scarcity value. Hear about TP being out of stock in Sydney, Australia, and some will race to their Costco. Costco out of TP? There must be some sense to stocking up at the grocer.

We've witnessed similar runs with gasoline before hurricanes. If everyone filled their tanks at once, the stations would be out of fuel for about a week...

Sanpaku, Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:32 (three months ago) link

I got TP at the gas station

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:34 (three months ago) link

Ah, white people:

https://apple.news/AeYT3Z5mdTYis0-6Ml8TbFg

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 12 March 2020 22:34 (three months ago) link

formula 1 grand prix in melbourne just got cancelled. our local park gets disrupted massively for this thing, and suddenly it’s off (they definitely made the right decision though).

karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:20 (three months ago) link

Mandatory telework day tomorrow for everyone. This is as close to a serious COOP exercise as we’ve ever done in my 13 years working at this (very COOP-wary) agency.

Almost all the chicken, rice and pasta is sold out at local grocers, plus the other stuff people have already talked about to death. Funny to see what’s left - you could go for the Jordan Peterson 🍖 🥩 🥓 diet, easily. And anything organic, that shit costs too much to hoard, apparently.

I went to a local pizzeria for lunch and the three people in the front of the house (bartender, self, other customer) had a short rap session about mortality and how silly it is to take extreme measures to avoid death when you could get hit by a truck crossing the street

El Tomboto, Thursday, 12 March 2020 23:44 (three months ago) link

I was loling at the stuff left at TJ’s today — people turned up their noses at the fully stocked freezer of frozen carrot spirals and the only canned tomatoes left wee the ones w green chiles, of which there was an entire shelf.

I had some quality lols w students, fellow shoppers, and store clerks today. School finally announced a plan, I’m willing to admit that I’m going to miss being around people.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 March 2020 00:00 (three months ago) link

Might be time for me to be growing more food than I do now.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 13 March 2020 00:09 (three months ago) link

My face let me touch it

stet, Friday, 13 March 2020 00:12 (three months ago) link

i like those TJ tomatoes with green chiles in the can.

and I would totally buy some local pizzeria pizzas to freeze if there was a decent one near me and it was that moment in time to hunker down.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 00:15 (three months ago) link

vote by mail!

― Karl Malone, Thursday, March 12, 2020 11:49 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think it may be too late at this point, as you have to request a ballot which they then have to mail to you. Maybe, though. I'll look into it.

― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch)

oh, dammit. the deadline was today, 5pm. :(

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 March 2020 00:16 (three months ago) link

Writing shit down seems important to me right now, like it did on 9/11. Probably presumptuous to me to think any of this crap is going to be useful to posterity but I want it down for the record that I'm doing my best not to panic, but that I don't know what exactly is going on or what the "right thing" to do is. Today was a very bad day at work because I do have panic disorder and I'm not blind to what's going on around me. I know what my voice sounds like, it sounds like I'm having a hard time of it, and I probably am.

I don't want to be a downer. I don't want to be negative. It's not my style to dance around the possible negative outcomes, to pretend they won't happen. Because maybe they happen anyway, and I don't know if it's me, but a lot of people I know tend to blame themselves for everything bad that happens, and I feel like I need to tell them: Bad things might happen to people you love, and if they do, it's not your fault. A lot of my co-workers have living parents. I have a living parent who's over 70 years old and like many 70 year olds, has multiple health problems. I'm making sure to stay in contact with the people I know. There's so little I can do but right now at least I can still tell the people I care about that I care about them, and that feels important. I have two close relatives who are ER travel nurses. They are going to have it very hard so I want to at least support them as much as I can. Was very hard to talk to my brother because he was expecting the usual coronavirus bullshit - so many people are still apparently viewing "risk" purely in terms of individual risk of mortality. My brother said don't worry about me, worry about my patients. I had to tell him, I'm working on communicating this stuff to him, look, I know you're very unlikely to die from this, it's not about that. You're my brother, I care about you, you already don't have the resources you need to do your job, this is going to be hard, I just want you to know I love you and I care about you. And he accepted that, which is so hard to get to with him and so great.

But I am starting to deal with the possibility that people I care about will die, and everybody I talk to, whether they're at risk or not, is dealing with the same. And if they're not... most of my family is fine, but my other brother, he's had trouble with depression of late, works in the restaurant industry, already isn't getting enough hours, and how many millions of people like him are going to be hit by this? Saying "I'm lucky" isn't about diminishing my subjective experience.

I've cancelled everything, or rescheduled it so that I can do it over the phone. I'm working from home and will avoid leaving the house to the greatest extent possible.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 00:36 (three months ago) link

But I am starting to deal with the possibility that people I care about will die

It's hard to conceive of. I wish my meditation teacher had more than one lung.

lukas, Friday, 13 March 2020 00:41 (three months ago) link

Two credit card companies have raised my limit this week. Too bad it's so hard to fake your death these days.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 13 March 2020 01:28 (three months ago) link

High school closed tomorrow, "e-learning" next week.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 01:39 (three months ago) link

this is… not a great time to be unemployed

karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 13 March 2020 01:55 (three months ago) link

Unless you have kids sent home from school, I guess.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 01:58 (three months ago) link

Finally got into our work system and saw an email from the vp about rumors of everyone in the company defaulting to working from home over the next several weeks. So I wrote my boss and said, hey, looks like I'm connected to everything I need to be connected to, any way I can expedite this working from home thing so I don't have to unnecessarily expose myself to a viral outbreak? And he gave me some mealy-mouthed shit about, well, y'know, just plan on coming on in tomorrow and, well, y'know, we'll play it by ear from there.

Well, y'know, I believe I'm going to be 'contracting a fever' (or, after another day riding the dirty-ass train, contracting a legitimate and scare-quote-less fever) over the weekend, so either y'all get your mothafuckin ducks in a row or I'm going to be on an unplanned vaycay for the foreseeable future.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 02:25 (three months ago) link

We're going to be testing work from home to test our call software on the laptop softphones next week. I'm looking forward to it, I love working from home. I guess I'm well placed in an industry that may do well out of all this, we sell/support VoIP, mobile and teleconferencing networks.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 13 March 2020 02:38 (three months ago) link

Universal Orlando closed. my brother is getting paid while closed though. that was my worry so I'm relieved.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 March 2020 02:42 (three months ago) link

oh, dammit. the deadline was today, 5pm. :(

― Karl Malone, Thursday, March 12, 2020 7:16 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Dunno if you'll see this, but:

We're extending Vote By Mail applications online through midnight tonight, Mar 12. You may also drop off a paper form at 69 W Washington on 1st Floor through midnight.
Online application and paper forms are here: https://t.co/L0RGQd0fGs

— ChicagoElection (@ChicagoElection) March 12, 2020

jaymc, Friday, 13 March 2020 03:50 (three months ago) link

This is where we need the @ feature/notifications

@old lunch: vote or die!

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 March 2020 04:28 (three months ago) link

Thank u for info and link but I am unfortunately just over the Chitown border so I think our vote by mail ship has sailed. I'll still rally on Tuesday even if my insides are on the outside of me at that point.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 04:53 (three months ago) link

work is likely to close to the public tomorrow and suspend operations shortly thereafter. this is going to be hell on the backend when all our very tightly plotted deadlines unravel. COVID aside, this is a totally new and unpredictable workplace situation, very weird

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 13 March 2020 05:26 (three months ago) link

things in australia are going down like dominoes today. grand prix cancelled, no public events of 500+ people, no international travel unless necessary, loads of events being cancelled all over the place. just suddenly happening today all at once.

karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Friday, 13 March 2020 05:32 (three months ago) link

yeah. i feel like the last couple days were like that here in the US. dominoes is a good analogy. take care. things are weird.

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 March 2020 05:37 (three months ago) link

xp sparkle motion i feel very similarly. it's very strange, the work situation. a big thing our program does is energy assessments, and they all just got canceled until mid-may at the earliest. just a very strange thing to deal with, apart from everything else. i've had a lot of difficulty concentrating, too.

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 March 2020 05:38 (three months ago) link

xpost I'm beginning to wonder how busy I will be soon. I'm a full time instructor, BUT clearly with today's infection in the San Juan office, it's only a matter of time before other offices have that same issue, and when one office closes, another has to step up, which means pulling people from the phones to put into training is....going to be discouraged?

There is a special training redesign project, and I'm assuming our third party is still working as I presume most of them don't actually work in an office, but....that ain't enough to keep me busy. wondering if they tell us to peace out for a bit and pay us. I would not mind that at all.

suffice it to say, when shit like this happens, it's unbelievable how I suddenly stop caring about performance issues. my company isn't gonna lay anybody off now, cos they know how optics look, but I am betting come like...November, suddenly it will be "hmm, do we really need 6 trainers? can we get by with 5? and coincidentally can the one that has an unusually high salary for this role?"

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 March 2020 05:39 (three months ago) link

All schools and colleges in the area closed til end of month. So it's taken several talks and dance classes and things with it.
Also the library and community centres for same duration.
& art galleries in the middle of exhibitions which may or may not continue after that date. Not sure how concrete a reopening on that date is. Cos nobody does.
Just gingers crossed that things improve don't go further the other way.
Did get to ask what "total collapse of society" was in Irish before the classes were put in a forced break.
But still god what a drag.
Art festivals and events already had a bad start because of frequent storms. Now this.
Galway 2020 seems to have had bad luck since before it started. Didn't raise the funds it was intended to beforehand either. & has now presumably lost a load.
Grand opening was the night of Ciara so got shelved.

Stevolende, Friday, 13 March 2020 08:29 (three months ago) link

I wonder if Trump will be stubborn enough to hold one of his rallies...

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Friday, 13 March 2020 08:46 (three months ago) link

oh please do.
Book a tour even

Stevolende, Friday, 13 March 2020 09:09 (three months ago) link

'gingers crossed'

I am enjoying this typo

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Friday, 13 March 2020 09:35 (three months ago) link

trying to persuade my 68 year old mum who had a p bad case of pneumonia a couple of years ago to give the bingo a miss tomorrow night. not having much luck so far.

oscar bravo, Friday, 13 March 2020 09:45 (three months ago) link

suffice it to say, when shit like this happens, it's unbelievable how I suddenly stop caring about performance issues. my company isn't gonna lay anybody off now, cos they know how optics look, but I am betting come like...November, suddenly it will be "hmm, do we really need 6 trainers? can we get by with 5? and coincidentally can the one that has an unusually high salary for this role?"

― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal)

my wife has the same worries. trying to stay "mostly apolitical" because i've already had my hand smacked once but when it comes to this i tend to think of it in terms of how many people are uncertain and worried about how they're going to keep the lights on for the next month, not in the sense of guilt or privilege or whatever but in the sense of... if stuff like that starts happening on a wide scale, you or i probably aren't the first or the most likely people to be hit with that. 2020 was already going to be a super unpredictable year. worrying about my long-term financial health isn't a priority for me because i can't do anything about it, can't predict what's going to happen, can't take any reasonable or meaningful steps to prepare for whatever that is. it's more important for me to work on being flexible and capable of adapting to whatever happens, that's a lot of what i mean when i say i want to learn as much as i can from this crisis. controlling panic for me is declaring certain concerns arbitrarily "out of scope" and putting them on a shelf until later.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 10:02 (three months ago) link

trying to persuade my 68 year old mum who had a p bad case of pneumonia a couple of years ago to give the bingo a miss tomorrow night. not having much luck so far.

The bingo was packed on Wednesday! I thought i could roll into an empty hall and win all the money, but alas.

My mother's asthmatic and a former nurse / radiographer and currently won't stay at home, despite me offering to do all her shopping for the next few weeks. My dad, who had a severe respiratory issue two years ago, is just getting off a twelve-hour flight, trading a country with no coronavirus and lousy hospitals for one with decent hospitals but a growing outbreak. Might just weld their locks shut and pipe in soup through a window.

ShariVari, Friday, 13 March 2020 10:26 (three months ago) link

Wanted to link this quickly while I'm still thinking about it - one question that has been vexing me was determining how long a surface can be contaminated. There are basic advisories on avoiding shaking hands, touching door handles, sharing phones and other common items but little on whether or not you should scrub down the last remaining bags of rice on the shelf at Whole Foods. I'm working under the assumption that all of Pasadena has been coughing on them.

This article is new (March 9), hasn't been peer reviewed yet, but builds off another paper from January.

Aerosol and surface stability of HCoV-19 (SARS-CoV-2) compared to SARS-CoV-1

We found that viable virus could be detected in aerosols up to 3 hours post aerosolization, up to 4 hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic and stainless steel. HCoV-19 and SARS-CoV-1 exhibited similar half-lives in aerosols, with median estimates around 2.7 hours. Both viruses show relatively long viability on stainless steel and polypropylene compared to copper or cardboard: the median half-life estimate for HCoV-19 is around 13 hours on steel and around 16 hours on polypropylene. Our results indicate the aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 13 March 2020 10:53 (three months ago) link

So our best friends flew to New Orleans for her Mom's 80th Birthday Party . . . with her Mom. I told my friend they are insane. Surprise Mom . . . we got you coronavirus for your birthday!

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Friday, 13 March 2020 10:55 (three months ago) link

From January (HCoV-19 specifics aren't fully listed here yet).

Persistence of coronaviruses on inanimate surfaces and their inactivation with biocidal agents

Most data were described with the endemic human coronavirus strain (HCoV-) 229E. On different types of materials it can remain infectious for from 2 hours up to 9 days. A higher temperature such as 30°C or 40°C reduced the duration of persistence of highly pathogenic MERS-CoV, TGEV and MHV. However, at 4°C persistence of TGEV and MHV can be increased to ≥ 28 days. Few comparative data obtained with SARS-CoV indicate that persistence was longer with higher inocula (Table I). In addition it was shown at room temperature that HCoV-229E persists better at 50% compared to 30% relative humidity.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 13 March 2020 11:02 (three months ago) link

A guy I know at work, who is supposed to be going to the pub with us tonight, just tested positive. He's been disinvited. Also, apparently he was in work yesterday when he was ill.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Friday, 13 March 2020 12:11 (three months ago) link

Christ, that sucks.

It looks like a) basically only people from my department are in the office so far today (read: other people with sensible managers are sensibly working from home), b) only a handful of my department is actually coming in at all today, and c) all of the management in my department are spending the day cozily ensconced in their comfy comfy beds instead of deigning to come into our germ-ridden office. The handful of us here atm are getting increasingly grumbly and 'fuck this'-ish.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 12:40 (three months ago) link

I don't directly work with him and I haven't been in his company for well over a month, so it could be worse.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Friday, 13 March 2020 12:46 (three months ago) link

Haven't been for a few days, but apparently the freezer aisle at our local Trader Joe's was literally cleared out. We know someone who works there, and their usual average daily sales are around $65,000, but they doubled that yesterday. We popped in to a different store yesterday, just to check it out, and they were out of TP and some cleaning stuff, but mostly seemed stocked. A Target I was at wasn't that bad (yet) either.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 12:54 (three months ago) link

Oh, I just heard through the grapevine that the manager in the department directly behind me, who was here at least through like Wednesday, was sent home sick at some point in the last day or so. Don't know what 'sick' means but can't wait to find out. Caaaaaaaaan't wait. Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan't wait.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:00 (three months ago) link

All employees (about 30k) at my company advised to work from home for the foreseeable.

ShariVari, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:00 (three months ago) link

In keeping with my company's general state of bumblefuckery, they're apparently making decisions here on a department-by-department basis. So a department on the other side of our floor has already been told that they'll be working from home starting Monday and for at least the next three weeks. Whereas our department is sharing the dribs and drabs of information that each of us has learned from our respective managers, as we're each apparently only privy to certain information pertaining to the near future of our work situation. It's fun! Like a scavenger hunt!

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:08 (three months ago) link

same here at my job. a bunch of vague emails about preparing to shift to offsite operations, documents about how to work from offsite, but no communication about who is going to be working from home or when it will start

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:10 (three months ago) link

Apart from anything else, presumably there's no work getting done in this situation?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:11 (three months ago) link

i am working from home (and hence posting) as i normally do, very extremely unsure when and how i'm going to get paid for much of it and thus ardently wishing my various editors and their finance departments the best of all possible health wherever they may end up doing what they do, and swift communications to all inc.uninterrupted BACS activity

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:20 (three months ago) link

5:30am email: Normal operations; everyone report to work
6:48am email: The university is closed; stay home

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:25 (three months ago) link

After 36 hours of searing chest pain, shortness of breath, and a battery of tests, a friend was just told by her doctors she "probably" has it, but no COVID tests are available in our area and no likelihood of getting them soon, and no likelihood of her even being allowed to take one since she hasnt left the country or had a proven contact with a confirmed case. She is recovering from a splenectomy a couple months ago and freaking out.

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:31 (three months ago) link

Just had a jolly-hockeysticks email from the higher-ups saying in v rallying-the-troops tones that nothing has changed but we're all ~thinking very hard~ about the serious changes that we may eventually get round to deciding on.

Apart from anything else, presumably there's no work getting done in this situation?

Aargh, I spent months refreshing Brexit news constantly and having it fill up all my available brain space that I was supposed to be using for other things and now I'm back in that place. I don't really understand how anyone else is not, and one colleague made tentative noises re similar earlier, but apparently everyone else was happy to Just (Let Someone) Get On With It re Brexit, so maybe it's just me...

(and this thread. Thank you, this thread)

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:33 (three months ago) link

The most popular route to Mount Everest is shutting down as Nepal seeks to check the spread of the pandemic.

Priorities!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:33 (three months ago) link

Wanted to link this quickly while I'm still thinking about it - one question that has been vexing me was determining how long a surface can be contaminated.

― Elvis Telecom

This is one of the things that frustrates me most about COVID response. While I understand wanting to avoid panic, a lot of people recommended - and in fact are still recommending - measures to prevent COVID despite not knowing how, exactly, COVID spreads, and in some cases directly counter to the emerging knowledge of how COVID spreads. If COVID can remain viable on a plastic surface for up to 72 hours, how on earth are we supposed to believe moving to shift work will be an effective means of containment?

There are costs to well-intentioned falsehoods. I feel like the best thing I can do here is not assume people's intentions and to not map my assumptions about panic and social dynamics onto other people's actions, so I will just say that whatever the reason, when supposed experts recommend measures to prevent the spread of disease that turn out to be utterly inadequate, it erodes the level of trust in those experts, erodes anybody's attempts to keep people from panicking. I am suspending any further judgements on the topic for the present moment.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:34 (three months ago) link

Mt Everest is closed??

jmm, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:35 (three months ago) link

Went to Target this morning. It opened at 8 and at 7:45 there was a line forming at the door. Not full-on Black Friday, but surprising. As we all shuffled in the door, one employee said jokingly to his manager, "Maybe they're all here for Animal Crossing!" Later, as I was in the (largely empty) toilet paper aisle, a different employee said to another, "It's like a Prada boutique."

We got everything we needed except for Clorox disinfecting wipes, which were completely gone, and honestly it wasn't that crowded or frantic inside. Now I'm wondering how it will be when I go to my regular grocery store on Sunday morning.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:39 (three months ago) link

Man, you got my hopes up that Animal Crossing released early, would have made my kid so happy while she's stuck at home.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:41 (three months ago) link

I was planning mt everest as my quarantine location :(

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:44 (three months ago) link

Speaking of which, just because we'll be stuck together for a while, more or less, we did some meal planning last night and absolutely no one in my household was the least bit helpful.

Me: Since who knows what's up and when it won't be, we should probably think of some practical staples we need.
Family member one: we should get the cereal with red berries.
FM#2: Ugh, I hate that one, get the one with green berries.
FM#3: Why don't you get one of each?
Me: OK. Will you eat either of those?
FM#3: No, get me the one with blueberries.

And so on across all categories.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:46 (three months ago) link

I dunno, sounds like they have their priorities in order to me. Whereas I failed to get any berry-adorned cereal whatsoever.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:52 (three months ago) link

Since I'm back downtown again today anyway, I'm thinking: fuckit, another Target trip wouldn't hurt. When I finally batten down the hatches, I'm just planning to not leave my building at all for the foreseeable future (except for going to vote, which is probably when the bug will likely strike me down).

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 13:55 (three months ago) link

I still had some stuff left over from the no-deal Brexit prepping so the biggest immediate expense has been loading up on cat food / cat litter.

ShariVari, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:58 (three months ago) link

I went to the doctor this morning to get my asthma prescriptions refilled so I will be set for the year and he also prescribed me a flu shot ( so I can jump the queue) because I guess they are going to make an announcement on Monday that tit's mandatory (chile)? I don't know how they make it mandatory. But my spanish is also trash. ( I feel kind of bad about this but I think this will be the first flu shot I have gotten in ??? I don't recall my last primary physician ever giving me the flu shot, unless she snuck it in. I am sorry).

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 13:58 (three months ago) link

I have not left the house since Tuesday for any reason other than going to work or the grocery store or pharmacy. I stocked up on staples, and paid out-of-pocket for a prescription refill my insurer would not cover, so that I can avoid the stores for the next couple of weeks -- as I see it, the risk is only going to increase as the infection spreads, while the reward decreases with the many predictable out-of-stock goods.

I am also a single man, living alone, with some money in the bank, no dependents, and a job I can do remotely. I don't expect everyone to do what I am doing; I do it because I'm one of the ones who can.

The hardest part is going to be missing the 3 or 4 AA meetings per week I usually go to. But my sponsor has been able to stay sober for the past 10 years despite being partially paralyzed and unable to attend meetings, so I have a good example to follow.

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:00 (three months ago) link

I am also a single man, living alone, with some money in the bank, no dependents, and a job I can do remotely. I don't expect everyone to do what I am doing; I do it because I'm one of the ones who can.

Yup this is gonna be me in a week or two I suspect, depending on how fast it ends up spreading here in Toronto. I'm not ruling out some very limited (4-5 person) hangouts just to break up the isolation / ward off insanity, though.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:04 (three months ago) link

Xposts to rusho

This is what enraged me so much about de blasios statement earlier this week that HIS scientists have found it only persists on surfaces for minutes.

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:04 (three months ago) link

my spouse's university sent out an email that they have 5 liter cans of alcohol gel that faculty can buy. I told him to find people to split it with because there are only so many places you can put that.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:05 (three months ago) link

my friend tried to ask me if I was busy and wanted to hang out last night and I made up an excuse because I just was feeling too miserable to hang out. i told him maybe on the weekend.

i'm in a similar place of privilege and tbh now that pretty much any concerts I had tickets for are cancelled, I was only going to leave the house to go to the movies anyway, and tehre's plenty of that I can watch at home.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:07 (three months ago) link

Has anyone grappled with how much to walk the dog/whether to let the dog play with other dogs

NB he is a puppy but big (6 months 55 lbs) and while he could probably ‘remember’ how to pee inside on pads, it’d be hard from a sheer volume perspective

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:13 (three months ago) link

Went ahead w/ meeting a friend I hadn't seen for a long time yesterday, and am still having dinner out tonight w/ my bro. But after that I don't have a lot of one-on-one's planned, and the bigger meetings (some book presentations etc) will be cancelled anyway.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:14 (three months ago) link

jon not jon where are you? I remember walking my dog during Katrina for what ended up being 10 times because I stayed up all night to make sure there was no flooding and any break in the wind/rain I ran him outside because I was so worried we would be cooped up (he was 75lbs).

I would totally not let my dog (if he was still around) socialize with other dogs right now. Because that means you will also be socializing.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:17 (three months ago) link

ugh, I meant Hurricane Sandy in ny.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:18 (three months ago) link

I still had some stuff left over from the no-deal Brexit prepping so the biggest immediate expense has been loading up on cat food / cat litter.

Cat food and cat litter is a worry as it's so damn bulky/heavy and there isn't really room to stockpile much of it.

The other half told me off for Brexit prepping and is still in "everything will be fine" mode so we just have a couple of extra kgs of rice and cereal (not actually sure how long those would last if they were the only food left) and a lot of extra soap. Will try to sneak some tinned goods home if there are any left - beans, soup, some tinned milk wouldn't go amiss for the cereal. Local shop is already empty of loo roll so not sure if there'll be tins left.

We have a small fridge/freezer which is permanently almost full despite having basically nothing useful in, so not much use stockpiling anything not canned or dry.

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:31 (three months ago) link

Sent a message to my dad to see how they're doing and if they curtailed their travel plans, and he responded "Mea culpa...we're in Israel". Coming back today I think.

Still having to go into work, but on the upside, traffic is great??

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:37 (three months ago) link

Seat to yourself on the bus *thumbs up*

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:42 (three months ago) link

saw a guy at Trader Joe's buying
* four boxes of cereal
* four boxes of frozen rice
* ~ 50 protein bars

I am going to lose my mind with this social distancing business. After class yesterday I realized just how much I enjoy being around people! Aggghhhhhh

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:50 (three months ago) link

hope all my erstwhile pen pals are ready for a revival of correspondence :)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:51 (three months ago) link

I went into my dark classroom at my closed school to empty out my little mini refrigerator. I ran into one of my students, who was cleaning his locker. We stood ten feet apart from each other and said “be good!” and it rang really hollow. The biggest source of my happiness is my students, and... I can’t do anything for/about them right now. Feels super helpless.

rb (soda), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:54 (three months ago) link

sweet innocent phone SMS dictionary that still knows not the word "coronavirus"

a passing spacecadet, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:57 (three months ago) link

TS: coughing into your sleeve vs opening door handles with your sleeve

I feel it's unwise to do both

ymo sumac (NickB), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:57 (three months ago) link

Need sleeve's opinion on this obv

ymo sumac (NickB), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:57 (three months ago) link

maybe door handle will have an opinion too

rb (soda), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:59 (three months ago) link

I told my spouse there is no way i am doing the cheek kiss or hug or dancing with anyone other than him at this wedding we have to go to on saturday. He was like "what will you do if they try." I told him I would give them the shaka in front of their face and then do the ps4 spiderman off the wall attack.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 14:59 (three months ago) link

yes, agree soda!!
i haven't been feeling despair -- in fact, I feel like my pandemic personality is weirdly lighthearted and my sense of humor seems alive and well. if I can make people lol my existence isn't entirely pointless. I'm anticipating at least a few bouts of loneliness though.

my partner already works from home so nothing has changed for him; I'm sure I will annoy him more than once.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 March 2020 14:59 (three months ago) link

LOL so I have on-off problems with insomnia during normal times anyway but I am now running on about > 3 hours of sleep in as many days. I haven't been up all night spinning doomsday scenarios in my head, it's more just like my body/mind is just on general High Alert. Of course I end up thinking about how lack of sleep depresses your immune system, and the spiral continues...ugh. Just glad I can work from home.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:04 (three months ago) link

Xpost to yerac
Williamsburg Brooklyn

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:05 (three months ago) link

oh yeah, i was in williamsburg near graham during sandy. I think everyone will be staying away from each other though. Some people are just bad dog owners and will totally invade your space even if you have no desire to talk to them or their dog and are slowly backing away the entire time. Dogs can catch covid supposedly, so I would be careful.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:08 (three months ago) link

i would probably even wear a mask while walking the dog just to signal to stay away.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:11 (three months ago) link

so has anyone spoken to Purell or their parent company to find out exactly wtf is the deal with the shortage? I get that there was a run on these products for a week or so but do they have any idea when they're going to be able to stock back up?

akm, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:12 (three months ago) link

Dogs can catch covid supposedly

― Yerac, Friday, March 13, 2020 8:08 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i thought the who just confirmed the other day that they can't

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:18 (three months ago) link

! did they disprove it? I am looking again and still only see reports of a dog with a "low level infection" from someone who had it.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:21 (three months ago) link

i have no idea what is true here, all i saw is some meme going around. gist was 'WHO let the dogs out'

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:23 (three months ago) link

Ok I see the WHO thing from a couple of days ago, but I mean I would assume dogs could get the virus (like in the case that was reported in multiple places) but won't be "sick". But it's more that when you walk your dog people want to come over because their dog wants to "say hi." and just...no.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:25 (three months ago) link

LOL so I have on-off problems with insomnia during normal times anyway but I am now running on about > 3 hours of sleep in as many days. I haven't been up all night spinning doomsday scenarios in my head, it's more just like my body/mind is just on general High Alert. Of course I end up thinking about how lack of sleep depresses your immune system, and the spiral continues...ugh. Just glad I can work from home.

― may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Friday, March 13, 2020 3:04 PM (seventeen minutes ago)

hi, are you me? because this is also me lately... I'm really looking forward to resuming my practice of tai chi and meditation once there is nothing else to do.

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:29 (three months ago) link

this would probably the best about using sound judgement with pets based upon what they know.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/quarantine-cat-disinfect-dog-latest-advice-about-coronavirus-and-your-pets

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:30 (three months ago) link

besides going to work i barely leave the house or have interactions with other people anyway but just idly toted up how much of my home time is usually spent watching sports and.......probably time to find a hobby or start duolingo or something

oscar bravo, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:32 (three months ago) link

here is my grocery report: i'm off today so i decided to torture myself unnecessarily. i have enough food in my house to survive for a while but i just got salt fat acid heat and i want to make a bunch of the recipes this weekend and next week. i didn't realize it was quite this bad but things just accelerated yesterday. i want ground lamb and a whole chicken.

store 1: i figured i would just go to wegmans first thing in the morning and assumed they would have restocked overnight. i was very wrong. there was almost no meat. i got 2 packages of chicken/turkey sausage because it was the only thing left. i wasn't expecting ground lamb to be something people buy in emergencies but people apparently wanted everything last night. there were full stocks of pretty random produce. i was able to get a good cabbage, cilantro and parsley, a bag of apples, and limes. there were no jalapeños and all the big bags of onions were gone. the small bags were there. there was no yogurt (there was some yogurt but i wanted the 2 pack of plain nonfat greek yogurt) but adequate milk and eggs. i got a gallon of milk to make my own yogurt. i got an extra 18 eggs for the future.

store 1.1: i wanted to try costco so i could get coffee and test the yogurt supply but it was too early and they weren't open yet.

store 2: whole foods is on the way home from wegmans. google indicated "more busy than usual" or whatever. it was kind of bad and weird. greek yogurt is obv more expensive there but i got 2 qts of store brand plus a fage for recipes. plus coffee. few remaining jalapeños were very sad-looking.

store 3: indian/halal store. incredible success! only two other customers in the store, normal for that store. fully stocked of every imaginable legume and rice. i got 2 big bags of chick peas, a bag of lentils, and 4 lbs of basmati. i have never bought meat there but i got 2 lbs of ground lamb and a small very fresh-looking whole chicken from the butcher. plus fresh green chiles and more cilantro.

forensic plumber (harbl), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:33 (three months ago) link

The World Health Organization has announced that dogs cannot contract Covid-19. Dogs previously held in quarantine can now be released. To be clear, WHO let the dogs out.

— Liam Hackett (@DiageoLiam) March 12, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:34 (three months ago) link

Just got back from a store (we had to get a few things, regardless; I've got two tiny girls, but I feel for parents of multiple hungry boys), and things weren't that bad. Plenty of everything, people working, restocking, and so on. A few people clearly stocking up on a few things, and by that I mean a few very select things. I passed one guy with a cart full of water, pasta and giant cans of Ragu. I mean, if that's your favorite food ...

Our cat has responded to the crisis by going to sleep for the day.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:38 (three months ago) link

Hope the dogs do a better job of running the world than we did.

Matt DC, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:39 (three months ago) link

Per that article, who the fuck is testing their pet for Covid, and why would you do that? Like, of all the vectors, why would you waste the time on that unless you're, like, Barbra Streisand.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:40 (three months ago) link

Pro tip for others in Williamsburg or bushwick etc
Go to the supermarkets in Spanish neighborhoods
The Associated which caters more Spanish is exactly one block further from me than the key food which caters yuppie and they have plentiful toilet paper, plentiful everything except bottled water and disinfectant

valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:41 (three months ago) link

You know, one of those "I was feeling a bit down, running a low fever, I assume I caught it from the dog" situations that we hear about every year.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:41 (three months ago) link

i haven't told my cat yet what's going on out there

forensic plumber (harbl), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:41 (three months ago) link

In a year everyone is going to be overweight and nursing newborns. And Hostess is going to buy Amazon.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:42 (three months ago) link

If we don't tell our pets the truth, who will?

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:43 (three months ago) link

oh yeah also 90% of the frozen section was bare. you could still get a big bag of frozen chicken nuggets.

forensic plumber (harbl), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:43 (three months ago) link

【パンツをマスクにしました】
Turned briefs into masks#lifehack pic.twitter.com/SJmMdzy5aJ

— ウエスP(Wes-P/Mr Uekusa) BGT2018&AGT2018 (@uespiiiiii) March 2, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:47 (three months ago) link

I am just confused now because that joke tweet links to something from WHO that doesn't even mention dogs??? The WHO thing I saw was just that it was unlikely a dog could pass it to a human. but you guys all have the internet you can see the recent mainstream articles about the dog still under quarantine.

Is Food Bazaar in wburg near the JMZ.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:47 (three months ago) link

Just to be safe, I would not eat your dog.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:48 (three months ago) link

ugh, that should've said go to the Food Bazaar.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:49 (three months ago) link

my dog is dead. I probably would not eat him either. although I did use to nibble on his ears.

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:50 (three months ago) link

first Bolsonaro, now the dog. RIP

Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 13 March 2020 15:51 (three months ago) link

can't log into Ocado to edit an order, everything is ruined!

calzino, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:14 (three months ago) link

Just because these anecdotes are useful and full of practical information, my wife heard an interview with a 37-year old Seattle woman with Covid. She said she apparently caught it at a house party where several others caught it. All had similar stories: after a couple of days they started to feel wiped out and came down with a fever, which soon spiked to maybe 103 and stayed up there. In her case, at least, she said she never got any other symptoms, no cough or anything, just felt bad and had a fever. So a PSA that yeah, fever and fatigue/feel bad seem like the most common symptoms, at least for young or healthier people, followed by a dry cough, though apparently not always the latter. Fortunately (for potential impact) and unfortunately (for diagnosis) for a lot of folks, fever and fatigue are both pretty mild symptoms but also pretty common among all illnesses.

The woman interviewed, by the way, said her mom broke down in tears when she told her. Her own reaction to that was "hey, mom's gonna mom."

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:18 (three months ago) link

i think it was this woman.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/12/health/coronavirus-survivor-elizabeth-schneider/index.html

Yerac, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:20 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I think so!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:24 (three months ago) link

Just saw an ambulance pull up and double-park on my street. My heart sank, and then I saw that the EMTs were just stopping to pick up donuts

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:27 (three months ago) link

Did they have their flashing lights and siren on? Because if so, I understand.

xpost These are the exact stories that I find helpful. Not the worst case scenarios, which we should all be aware of even if not necessarily personally anticipating, but the most common scenarios for many people, those not at risk. Because it helps them/us ( those generally not in a high risk group) get a better bead on whether we ourselves may be ill or should self-isolate even if we don't need to go to the hospital.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:29 (three months ago) link

New data from @CopernicusEU #Sentinel5P reveal decline of air pollution, specifically NO2 emissions, over Italy. This reduction is particularly visible in northern Italy which coincides with its nationwide lockdown to prevent spread of the #coronavirus 👉https://t.co/4BQX4vD6P3 pic.twitter.com/7SDN8XB2vH

— ESA (@esa) March 13, 2020

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:31 (three months ago) link

i have no idea what is true here, all i saw is some meme going around. gist was 'WHO let the dogs out'

― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili)

woof.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:31 (three months ago) link

xpost My wife mentioned there was a apparently big reduction of pollution in China, too. Silver linings ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

xpost These are the exact stories that I find helpful. Not the worst case scenarios, which we should all be aware of even if not necessarily personally anticipating, but the most common scenarios for many people, those not at risk. Because it helps them/us ( those generally not in a high risk group) get a better bead on whether we ourselves may be ill or should self-isolate even if we don't need to go to the hospital.

― Josh in Chicago

it's a good story but who decided to use the word "survivor" in the url?

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

xps they didn't but I'm sleep-deprived rn and not really thinking about obvious stuff

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

I'm sitting here and suddenly realizing, omg, all of my muscles ache, holy shit, it's the cov, oh no wait, that would be because I made like a prepper's pack mule last night and schlepped 50 lbs. of food halfway across the city.

My gf's school is now closed effective Monday and through at least the rest of the month. Whereas I and my coworkers have literally heard not one single solitary peep from anyone in management today about anything. It sure feels like an abdication of responsibility to me, like they're deciding not to decide. If they need me to decide for them, I'm happy to oblige.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

New data from @CopernicusEU #Sentinel5P reveal decline of air pollution, specifically NO2 emissions, over Italy. This reduction is particularly visible in northern Italy which coincides with its nationwide lockdown to prevent spread of the #coronavirus 👉https://t.co/4BQX4vD6P3 pic.twitter.com/7SDN8XB2vH
— ESA (@esa) March 13, 2020

― mark s, Friday, March 13, 2020 11:31 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

OMG, what if the cov is nature's way of solving global warming, what a wonderful world

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:34 (three months ago) link

gaia sez HALLO

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:36 (three months ago) link

have now been officially asked to work from home for the rest of the month which i was already planning to do

looking forward to seeing what's left at the grocery store this evening

ciderpress, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:37 (three months ago) link

These are the exact stories that I find helpful. Not the worst case scenarios, which we should all be aware of even if not necessarily personally anticipating, but the most common scenarios for many people, those not at risk. Because it helps them/us ( those generally not in a high risk group) get a better bead on whether we ourselves may be ill or should self-isolate even if we don't need to go to the hospital.

Yes--I felt a little better when I saw that on CNN this morning. I check this page periodically, and the 7% death rate for closed cases is above the 3/4% I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So...while I certainly don't want Trump's phony and dangerous optimism, I do take some solace in the occasional concrete reminder that most people are surviving.

clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:43 (three months ago) link

Yes--I felt a little better when I saw that on CNN this morning. I check this page periodically, and the 7% death rate for closed cases is above the 3/4% I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

― clemenza

my suspicion is that death rate for closed cases is going to be a little artificially inflated rn because, well, you're not gonna close a case until somebody either dies or gets better, right? and the latter outcome takes longer to verify than the former, right?

that's just a guess though and i may well be completely wrong about that

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 16:58 (three months ago) link

I can feel my blood pressure slowly rising with every passing minute that our absentee management maintains absolute radio silence about wtf we're doing. Oh, but I'm still getting emails from them about business matters as if this was just any other day. No worries there. Shmucks.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:03 (three months ago) link

xp

also, the mortality rate will go down once testing is more widely available. there are a lot of people who have mild symptoms who haven't been tested.

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:06 (three months ago) link

These are the exact stories that I find helpful. Not the worst case scenarios, which we should all be aware of even if not necessarily personally anticipating, but the most common scenarios for many people, those not at risk. Because it helps them/us ( those generally not in a high risk group) get a better bead on whether we ourselves may be ill or should self-isolate even if we don't need to go to the hospital.

Yes--I felt a little better when I saw that on CNN this morning. I check this page periodically, and the 7% death rate for closed cases is above the 3/4% I've been hearing for the last couple of weeks.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

So...while I certainly don't want Trump's phony and dangerous optimism, I do take some solace in the occasional concrete reminder that most people are surviving.

― clemenza, Friday, March 13, 2020 9:43 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the prime minister and his wife likely both have it (unless Justin doesn't kiss his wife, which seems unlikely) and she's mildly sick and he's asymptomatic. it's not all doom and gloom

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:07 (three months ago) link

xp:
There was an early report from Hong Kong of a dog that had tested "weakly positive" for COVID-19.

It's somewhat important to me. I have a dog, my sister has one, my elderly parents have three. In the event my parents get sick, I would expect to have to care for their dogs for the duration of their illness, and vice versa. And if dogs were contagious, it would create issues with kenneling similar to those for schools.

Sanpaku, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:18 (three months ago) link

also, the mortality rate will go down once testing is more widely available. there are a lot of people who have mild symptoms who haven't been tested.

― Karl Malone

good point, the only confirmed COVID cases at this point are going to be the most serious cases!

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:21 (three months ago) link

yep, exactly

of course...most of us are likely to get it this year, anyway. was reading a TPM thing this morning mentioning that since the whole point of tests is to try to contain it, the whole effort right now to ramp up testing is kind of a moot point. we're already past containment - we lost that battle before it even started, practically.

of course, normally, the point of tests is also to diagnose it for immediate treatment. but since there's no vaccine...that's also a moot point.

in other words, the advice for everyone now is to socially distance and try to prevent further community spread as much as possible. not much point in testing people, just so they can find out they have covid19 but there's no vaccine, and then tell them to isolate themselves, when that's what we're supposed to be doing anyway

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:27 (three months ago) link

Obviously very small bananas compared to everything else in the world, but my favorite bookstore (Literati in Ann Arbor) just announced they are closing their shop "indefinitely, effective immediately" though still taking orders online.

I'm hoping the wording is such because they just have no idea when they will reopen, but it really sucks. A great shop. I immediately ordered a couple books I'd been eyeing lately.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:27 (three months ago) link

Just got paranoid when I started coughing from eating a salty cookie too quickly, mostly that I would be shunned

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:34 (three months ago) link

our absentee management maintains absolute radio silence about wtf we're doing.

My first reaction is you were talking about the federal government.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:35 (three months ago) link

Local hot dog stand to the rescue

bigguyssausage_
So we’ve reviewed our SOPs and sanitation procedures, as extra precaution we’ve removed all self serve disposables, we have a tight-small staff and we’re all on the same team to limit the spread of this virus. We take our responsibility of serving safe food seriously, if you dine in we are constantly wiping the customer counter area and we also have hand sanitizer and wipes for extra precaution, we have a new hand washing station coming for the customer area as well. We figure people will be ordering a lot of delivery, we are partnered with door dash, and overall that has resulted in really fast deliveries. All we ask is if you do order please try and use our link below thru our website because our commission to them is greatly reduced that way. Stay safe and healthy and seriously come get some corned beef this weekend!
https://bigguyssausage.com/order-online/

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:48 (three months ago) link

xpost Yours and mine both. It sure as hell feels like the Trump administration is running my company atm.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:52 (three months ago) link

trump admin. is more like if your company was running the whole gov't

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 March 2020 18:00 (three months ago) link

95% of the stuff on my FB wall that's supposed be funny is pretty lame to my perhaps peculiar sense of humour. I did find an e-mail from the Nixon Library announcing closure amusing. I assume Nixon Twitter will have a comment: "Goddamnit, Bob, I made it back from WWII, and they can't keep a fucking library open?"

clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 18:28 (three months ago) link

Two week quarantine for the assisted living facility where my mother lives. I wish I'd asked the director if there was a precipitating event when I had her on the phone, though she said it was just precautionary. My mom's main gripe is that she won't be able to go for her perm appointment next week.

Miami weisse (WmC), Friday, 13 March 2020 18:36 (three months ago) link

The nursing home my friend is in went on lockdown earlier this week in response to a confirmed case in the same county where they're located (after several prior confirmed cases the next county over). I wouldn't worry about a precipitating event, likely they're just taking precautions.

handsome boy modelling software (bernard snowy), Friday, 13 March 2020 18:57 (three months ago) link

the number-one source of 'dank corona memes' on my fb feed is in a band that's bravely charging ahead with a tour over the next couple weeks.

might as well be newton's fourth law: if you mock the coronavirus in public, you're gonna get it.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Friday, 13 March 2020 19:00 (three months ago) link

So I guess complaining does occasionally pay off, as writing my boss last night to request a WFH approval resulted in him calling just now to give me the go-ahead. Whereas he indicated that there's been no firm decision about the rest of our department/office, so it sounds like most of whoever's left will...still be in the office next week. Which sucks for them and seems fairly irresponsible imo.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Friday, 13 March 2020 19:17 (three months ago) link

dunkey is hit and miss but this is amusing if you are one of those gamer types
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqXRLwKJz7s

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 13 March 2020 19:25 (three months ago) link

just cancelled trip to japan ah well

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 13 March 2020 19:48 (three months ago) link

Husband took a salary freeze a couple years ago in exchange for a kind of phantom-shares arrangement - boss had a plan to sell within 5 yrs and offered the two founding employees a percentage of the sale price. A few weeks ago he got great news that a big-deal consultant was now involved in the sale, and everyone was excited.

Now this country is facing a massive recession and the sale is probably in the toilet.

This is peak first-world problems. But that money was gonna get us the fuck out of the Bay Area, finally. It was gonna give us a tiny chance at maybe owning a house in the not-distant future.

And there’s also the concern for my pregnant sister who has multiple chronic health conditions, including extremely narrow airways, and corona would undoubtedly kill her. But I’m actively refusing to think about that.

just1n3, Friday, 13 March 2020 20:03 (three months ago) link

https://president.utexas.edu/messages-speeches-2020/covid19-identified-within-ut-community

President of the University of Texas showing real leadership by contracting COVID-19 last week in NYC and then returning to Austin and spending the whole week meeting with faculty, staff, and students on campus.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Friday, 13 March 2020 20:12 (three months ago) link

🙁 deems & justin3

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Friday, 13 March 2020 20:13 (three months ago) link

sorry but

yup yup! ate that up. pic.twitter.com/jOtb42lNpG

— hįt mē lÿke a ræy òf shîiuuuüiin (@DaShaunLH) March 13, 2020

i am a horse girl (map), Friday, 13 March 2020 20:45 (three months ago) link

No school for a month here. Fun!

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 March 2020 21:08 (three months ago) link

we're closing for 2 weeks to prepare to teach online. we are...not prepared.
current meeting is getting bogged down in "what about ___" "but what about_____" "yeah and how about ________"
ugh

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 13 March 2020 21:12 (three months ago) link

Governor of Illinois just closed all schools through March.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 13 March 2020 21:18 (three months ago) link

Lots of good stuff on social media today for instructors on how to resist doing too much in this online transition. A main point: our students aren’t going to be able to work at full capacity, so we should not try to get them to do so, for their sake as well as ours.

Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 13 March 2020 21:18 (three months ago) link

All WA public schools now ordered closed til at least April 24

silby, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:20 (three months ago) link

Ban on large gatherings also expanded statewide

silby, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:20 (three months ago) link

Portland schools now closed until April 1. I'm sure it will be pushed out even further.

Darin, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:23 (three months ago) link

tbqh i am already isolated, living alone and being chronically sick, and now i'm warned not to see friends or hug them, let alone try to get laid for the next X months. It's a bummer.

plus the fucking work from home shit

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 March 2020 21:38 (three months ago) link

Just spotted a "friend" on Facebook speculating that this is all caused by 5G and "whatever you do don't get the vaccine!"

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Friday, 13 March 2020 21:47 (three months ago) link

libraries in SF closed

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:48 (three months ago) link

good thing I own a lot of books, maybe my daughter will finally finish Return of the King now

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:49 (three months ago) link

xxl yep, the FB conspiracy theories are starting up, I'm snoozing people right and left

sleeve, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:59 (three months ago) link

xxl xxp

sleeve, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:59 (three months ago) link

NYC schools still not closing...

MrDasher, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:05 (three months ago) link

we're a couple weeks behind Seattle, I would expect this is going to be kind of a rolling thing for other cities as the virus spreads

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:10 (three months ago) link

I don’t know if there’s any reason to wait around before adopting Seattle/Washington-scale interventions everywhere else in the US.

silby, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:41 (three months ago) link

schools in Northampton MA closed "until March 28"

idg why they are saying this, does anyone really think there's going to be school before September at the earliest?

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 13 March 2020 22:55 (three months ago) link

it's easier to cancel something than uncancel it.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 March 2020 22:58 (three months ago) link

my university might close soon. managers are scrambling.

this might mean me working from home. i am not forwarding phone calls to my mobile to take them in my apartment and they can't make me. so answering emails while reading dune in bed with my cat beside me potentially. sounds good

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 March 2020 23:01 (three months ago) link

I think they're gonna be forced to close the NYC schools but it's a blow to all of the hundreds of millions of dollars pumped into the "community schools" model, which was meant to make school buildings a hub for services and resources for students, parents, & everyone. The mayor & chancellor and lots of non-profit orgs have been working hard for almost 10 years to get ppl to look to schools for everything they need and now they can't afford to admit that maybe what people need more is for their kids NOT TO BECOME DISEASE VECTORS. But at the same time ppl are getting health care and food pantries and mental health services and online access and interpretation and parents' ESOL and immigration legal support and 100 other things at their kids' schools. It's not just kids taking classes.

There's also a very interesting, very fraught dynamic imo where teachers aren't from the communities they work in and don't connect well if at all with their students' families and I'm sure they're teeth-grindingly desperate to go home to their families in New Jersey but they keep showing up to work and doing their best because you can walk away from your office paperwork but not from children.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 13 March 2020 23:45 (three months ago) link

this might mean me working from home. i am not forwarding phone calls to my mobile to take them in my apartment and they can't make me. so answering emails while reading dune in bed with my cat beside me potentially. sounds good

― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver)

just stay the fuck away from the brian herbert books

the schools thing is hard, out here as well they're serving as a grossly underresourced substitute for the nonexistent social safety net. how do you continue to provide essential services when every single person, place, and thing is a potential pandemic vector? on what basis does one make those decisions?

ah, you know, it's not my decision at least.

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:06 (three months ago) link

this email takes the cake imo

As new reports of Coronavirus (COVID-19) continue to develop, there's no denying that we have waded into unprecedented waters. The health and safety of our employees and customers remains our first priority, and because of that, I want to share my thoughts on these difficult times.

I've been in this business for a long time and have seen my fair share of highs and lows. One thing that has served me well throughout my career is the need to pause and take a deep breath during turbulent periods. To feel anxious is normal - it's hard not to be in a world that is changing day to day. We are faced with unparalleled challenges and adversity. But if history tells us anything, it's that the human condition will rise to the challenges we face, as we are doing now. No one knows what tomorrow will bring but that doesn't mean we stop preparing for it.

HSBC has been connecting customers to opportunities since 1865. As one of the largest banking and financial services organizations in the world, we are incredibly diversified, with operations in 64 countries and territories. Our expertise and experience has allowed us to be where the growth is for more than 150 years, enabling businesses to thrive, economies to prosper, and ultimately, helping people to fulfil their hopes and realize their ambitions.

While today's markets are experiencing unprecedented volatility, rest assured that our best and brightest are working tirelessly to understand this environment. With a bench as deep as ours, we're aware of the historical parallels and potential outcomes.

Fear and uncertainty are real and tangible emotions and it is easy to succumb to the unprecedented negative news and the panic in the market. That is why on a personal note, I recently spoke to my own financial advisor to review my family's financial plan, and to ensure we can still achieve our goals despite the current and - potentially further - market turbulence. It was a great discussion and her advice was to stay the course as this crisis, like those in the past, will come to an end. 'Don't panic and take a long-term view,' were words that helped put me and my family at ease. Based on my experience, I'd encourage you to seek advice from your financial advisor as well.

Please know that we have comprehensive plans in place to ensure our employees remain safe and are ready and able to serve our customers without disruption. Following my signature below are additional details regarding HSBC's resilience and further information we feel is important to put in your hands. As the situation evolves we will adjust our efforts accordingly.

Additionally, I encourage you to access your accounts and perform routine banking transactions at home using Personal Internet Banking or the HSBC Mobile Banking App, as well as an ATM near you where you can also access cash.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:13 (three months ago) link

we should have an entire thread for COVID emails from businesses

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:16 (three months ago) link

So many missteps in that email, how do I choose just a few?

there's no denying that we have waded into unprecedented waters - what a metaphor, great job with that one

the need to pause and take a deep breath - always great advice when we are faced with respiratory illness

the human condition will rise to the challenges we face - wtf does that mean?

unprecedented negative news - just call it FAKE NEWS like you want to

'Don't panic and take a long-term view,' - what a masterfully crafted sentence, you really conveyed what you were trying to say there

epistantophus, Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:29 (three months ago) link

lol why do we have 2 parallel threads again? i just posted about a bank doing this to me on the other one

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:32 (three months ago) link

i mean i know why sorry

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:32 (three months ago) link

Buffalo Wild Wings sez:

With the recent announcement of the cancellation of the NCAA Tournament and the postponement/suspension of major sports leagues, I want you to know that we are just as disappointed as you are, but we understand the tough decisions being made.

Our sports bars will remain open, and I want you to know how Buffalo Wild Wings is navigating the impact of the Coronavirus (COVID-19).

Our number one priority remains the health and safety of our guests and team members. We are in close contact with local and federal health officials, including the Centers for Disease Control and the World Health Organization, to ensure we have immediate and continuous updates as this issue evolves. We are acting swiftly and proactively as counsel and direction is made available to us.

While the situation remains fluid, I wanted to inform you of a few of the steps Buffalo Wild Wings has taken:
1. We have convened an internal Coronavirus Preparedness Task Force to constantly monitor the circumstances and stay in contact with health and government officials.

2. We have re-enforced to all of our sports bars across the country our rigorous Standard Operating Procedures focused on restaurant cleanliness and sanitation.

3. We have enacted additional and enhanced cleaning procedures to sanitize all customer contact surfaces with higher frequency.

We are committed to providing a safe, clean and welcoming sports bar for guests and team members across the hundreds of communities we serve.

I want to thank you for your continued trust and support in Buffalo Wild Wings.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:36 (three months ago) link

so did I miss something about food stores closing a week from now? is everyone nuts?

Brooklyn woman on her phone: "dere afraid were gunna get hit by MAHTIAL LAW"

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:46 (three months ago) link

the language of it is to fake concerned about you. it's like it's holding your hand: "I want you to know how Buffalo Wild Wings is navigating the impact of the Coronavirus." thanks for your continued trust and support.

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:47 (three months ago) link

Morbs, everyone is nuts and presumably looking to Do Something when really the best thing to do is "as little as possible"

silby, Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:49 (three months ago) link

i'm aware of how many workers a grocery store needs, however, the giant in my neighborhood only ever has like one person working the checkout at any given time with all the other 12 stations closed so i feel like they'll be ok to stay open

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:53 (three months ago) link

silby otm
it's so very HARD to not engage in a freakout now tho

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 14 March 2020 01:58 (three months ago) link

maryland's court system is closed to the public. today i learned i am not in the public.

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:00 (three months ago) link

yeah going to the store today was a mistake, that's the most people i've been in proximity to all month

ciderpress, Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:14 (three months ago) link

I did all my freaking out sitting in the office last Tuesday, wfh since then and I’m gloomy but not anxious

silby, Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:16 (three months ago) link

I might save the end of this spiderman game because I feel like it might be a spoiler.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:20 (three months ago) link

Dude behind me had 24 rolls of tp at the CVS.

whistling (brownie), Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:25 (three months ago) link

Then I went to the grocery store and there was no bread flour! Tons of all purpose flour though.

whistling (brownie), Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:27 (three months ago) link

I ended up buying corn meal.

whistling (brownie), Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:29 (three months ago) link

Is the toilet paper freakout just a US thing?

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:30 (three months ago) link

i have maybe an excessive supply of AP flour right now. there was some bread flour today but i didn't get any.

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:30 (three months ago) link

xpost well I guess a lot of the rest of the world uses bidets

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 02:33 (three months ago) link

Neanderthal, I wonder why you are on the email list for Buffalo Wild Wings

I mean

like, are there important chicken-wing-related developments you are afraid to miss out on

"this just in, we're taking a mostly indedible foodstuff and drenching it in a slightly different sort of sauce this month. come drink beer in front of our televisions"

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 14 March 2020 03:04 (three months ago) link

I took a business trip to Winston Salem in 2018, then secretly took the company-paid rental car to Virginia on the weekend to see Judas Priest. I decided to pay for all meals outside of Winston-Salem out of pocket, and I drove back the next day and it was the NFL season opener and near kickoff, and I found a Buffalo Wild Wings. and then I like added their app or something to like get a free appetizer and inadvertently signed up and I pay so little attention to my emails since i mass delete them that I guess I never unsubscribed.

anyway that was way more of an answer than you expected but I am extremely bored.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 03:17 (three months ago) link

Neanderthal, I wonder why you are on the email list for Buffalo Wild Wings

I’d assumed everyone in Florida was.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 14 March 2020 03:24 (three months ago) link

that's my answer, "everyone in Florida is'. Mods delete my previous post.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 03:25 (three months ago) link

Toilet paper rush a thing here in Paris too.
despite “bidet” being a French word, I’ve never seen one in France. They’re common in Italy though, and I’ve had them in Czechia too. But here we are wiping our asses with paper and it’s not just the dwindling number of American tourists doing the flush rush.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 14 March 2020 04:46 (three months ago) link

The hoarding thing is mind boggling- this isn’t a zombie apocalypse! It seems rushing to a supermarket, crowded with people, touching thing lots of other people have touched, is the worst thing to do??? I don’t understand what’s so difficult about “wash your hands and avoid contact with too many people”. Maybe because I already do these things so I’m proceeding as normal.

I’ve stocked up on literally nothing. I think we have maybe 6 rolls of toilet paper.

just1n3, Saturday, 14 March 2020 05:30 (three months ago) link

I bought 96 rolls of toilet paper today thinking I would be set for months but then when I got home and saw it there all stacked up looking so good I said aw damn I'm gonna go to town on all this TP and now it's gone

I just couldn't help myself

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 14 March 2020 05:36 (three months ago) link

too much TP for one butt to be crying

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 14 March 2020 06:27 (three months ago) link

SBA emergency loans might assuage my biggest source of anxiety, then just to worry about keeping my mom from getting it/dying.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 14 March 2020 07:03 (three months ago) link

I thought first mention of the TP rush on this thread came from me in Ireland.
Have now heard it directly related to the scarcity in Australia which is where it was initially being reported as run out.
Like people were listening to a situation on the far side of the planet and using it to create a panic then empty shelves.
I think supplies are still coming in so you can still get everything I'm the morning for a while. But did see some shelves empty 7pm Thursday.
Not sure if that happened again yesterday.
Was in in the morning.

Stevolende, Saturday, 14 March 2020 09:04 (three months ago) link

The hoarding thing is mind boggling- this isn’t a zombie apocalypse! It seems rushing to a supermarket, crowded with people, touching thing lots of other people have touched, is the worst thing to do???

otm. I've resolved not to panic until I've been told that delivery trucks will not be replenishing stock. As far as I can tell, grocery stores will be getting their usual 2-3 days a week delivery as scheduled (at least for now), so right now the biggest bummer is having to wait a few extra days for things. Maybe worth asking a stockperson when their trucks usually arrive?

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 14 March 2020 12:30 (three months ago) link

Dear Reader,

We’re living through turbulent times together. Our booksellers are your neighbors, your friends and family. Your stories are our stories, and we know how resilient our communities are.

Sincerely,

The Booksellers of Barnes & Noble

geoffreyess, Saturday, 14 March 2020 12:45 (three months ago) link

that's the whole email

geoffreyess, Saturday, 14 March 2020 12:45 (three months ago) link

lol

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 12:46 (three months ago) link

need something to read? the kobo ebook store has you covered...

https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/list/literature-and-contagion-a-reading-list/OrMYqNPotMLu5wjXxRZZmA

koogs, Saturday, 14 March 2020 12:56 (three months ago) link

To Our Taco Bell Fans,

Like most of you, I’ve been reading the news about the spread of coronavirus and I am convinced that Taco Bell, our franchisees and team members have an obligation to do something to help stop this from spreading. It’s the right thing to do, but outside of increased cleaning in the restaurants like we’ve been doing, how can we make a larger impact?

As regions of the U.S. begin to mandate public closures and self-quarantine, we are equipping our restaurants to serve our guests via drive-thru and delivery only, where necessary. Should we need to temporarily close our dining rooms, we would be limiting millions of guest interactions and further enabling social distancing. We are going to redefine what it means to be a social brand during this coronavirus pandemic, while at the same time keeping our team members safe, and continuing to provide our fans with the delicious Taco Bell food they love.

We aim to be the safest place to eat AND the safest place to work. Our 7,200 managers are well-trained and prepared, and we’re going back to them to revisit our existing industry-leading training and operating procedures. Their personal well-being, safe food preparation, restaurant cleanliness and illness policies are our top priorities and are best practices from our operators from around the globe.

Because our people are the heart of our organization, and we understand the impact these actions can have, we’re amending our sick policy at our company-owned U.S. restaurants to better accommodate our teams while ensuring no one works who is sick. We’ll be paying employees who are required to stay at home, or who work at a restaurant that is closed, for their scheduled or regularly scheduled hours during their time away from work. We’re actively working with our franchise partners to encourage a similar approach.

Our purpose—to feed people’s lives with unexpected good—guides us in times like these, and we are thankful for your support. You can count on us to keep you informed as new information becomes available.

Mark King
CEO, Taco Bell Corp.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 13:31 (three months ago) link

if y’all wanna download ebooks rn i highly support it because that’s my job

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 14 March 2020 13:36 (three months ago) link

The hoarding thing is mind boggling- this isn’t a zombie apocalypse! It seems rushing to a supermarket, crowded with people, touching thing lots of other people have touched, is the worst thing to do???

― just1n3

well, that depends! is the assumption the person is making that we can avoid infection by avoiding contact, or is the assumption that we are probably already infected, that we've been exposed continuously to the virus over the past few weeks, that on the off chance we haven't the most effective way to deal with is not to "socially distance" but to completely self-quarantine until the worst passes? is the assumption that this is just a mass panic that will blow over and when the trucks bring a new supply of goods on monday they'll just be sitting on pristinely empty shelves, or is the assumption that there will be nobody healthy to drive the trucks, nobody healthy to staff the stores, that "pandemic" really does mean everyone?

both of these approaches are assumptions, because we don't know, we don't have sufficient evidence or knowledge to make a rational assessment of the scope and nature of the situation. the overwhelming majority of us under 60 (and, to be clear, almost certainly the vast majority of us _over_ 60) aren't going to die, but we are going to continue to need to eat, we are going to continue to poop, and knowing that i can't say i'm entirely surprised that some people are going out and hoarding.

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 13:49 (three months ago) link

Just got back from Trader Joe's (bad idea). The milk section was reduced to buttermilk and almond beverage, and the produce section was ransacked. At another store yesterday, I saw someone bagging fresh broccoli as if it was wartime and this was the first food they'd been able to get in ages. I hope all of this gets eaten before it spoils.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:30 (three months ago) link

i was thinking how horrible it must be to get your period and not have any tp to use because it was hoarded

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:33 (three months ago) link

I keep certain well-worn washcloths for when I have my period. If I were to use them in lieu of tp, rinsing them out after use...living alone does have its compensations.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:37 (three months ago) link

I was thinking about if it were someone's first period. How scary it would be to 1) get your period during a pandemic and 2) have this happen during a tp shortage.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:38 (three months ago) link

Wait... what if the TP is for all the masturbating thats about to happen

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Οὖτις, Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:41 (three months ago) link

Wait... what if the TP is for all the masturbating thats about to happen

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Οὖτις, Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:41 (three months ago) link

I had a little anxiety attack as we drove back into the city yesterday. It definitely helped to see ppl walking around and doing stuff, a reminder that complete isolation is not possible or necessary or desirable (yet??) and all of NYC is not a zombie-infested wasteland. I mean depending on the neighborhood, natch.

I sort of veer between being resigned to getting this and getting through it and struggling to quit/cut back on my smoking (it's a journey) and also panic that everyone is going to know someone who dies and when will essential services shut down and how far into the wilderness do we need to be by then? My dad has multiple co-morbidities and I keep thinking what if I never see him again? I was supposed to go home for a long visit soon and it's been indefinitely postponed--some people are still flying, albeit cautiously-- but even if I'm not a carrier *now*, what if I'm exposed to the virus in the airport or plane and I deliver it to my parents? It didn't seem prudent but I have multiple friends in my soc med who just left for Mexico or (uhhh) LONDON and are posting pics like everything is normal.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:43 (three months ago) link

I’m definitely considering hoarding purple o.b.s.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:48 (three months ago) link

I just took my family to San Francisco against all common sense. Both Austin and SF airports were surprisingly crowded, but our plane was only 1/4 full. Still, being on the plane was the most stressful part because there were definitely sick people on there. I think my anxiety about this is driving my family crazy, they have a very blasé attitude about it all.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:50 (three months ago) link

Just heard two workers at White Plain post office tested positive and that’s a main hub so no mail today???

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 14 March 2020 14:53 (three months ago) link

i'm going to the movies at BAM today (50% capacity), don't at me

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:02 (three months ago) link

My vacation plan is to do the activities, restore and shopping, we had planned to do, but maintain healthy distances from people as much as possible and use hand sanitizer or wash as much as possible.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:05 (three months ago) link

That should say: *restaurants and shopping

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:06 (three months ago) link

Got a dentist appointment Tuesday morning...I trust all healthcare workers worth their credentials to practice full risk minimization, but this should be interesting.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:10 (three months ago) link

our preparedness for short-term self-quarantine is absolutely ridiculous peak white people. "well, we can't go out for our usual saturday morning frappucino this week, time to get out the xantham gum!"

because our family isn't preparing for the complete collapse of society, we're preparing for reduced availability of consumer goods for a week to a month, and that's not the fucking apocalypse. i can't see why i would prepare for this any differently than i'd prepare for a hurricane!

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:19 (three months ago) link

Our friend who works at Trader Joe's tells us there's no point going back for at least a week, it's been decimated. We're pretty well set on food, if it's necessary, but it's honestly impossible to know if it will be necessary. I've tried talking things through with my wife, but it just makes her kind of defensive.
"Maybe we should pace ourselves with the eggs.'
"Why? We have plenty of eggs."
"Yeah, but we don't want to run out and have to go back to the store."
"You had no problem going to the store for eggs yesterday."
"Sure, but I don't want to *have* to go back for more, and for all I know they may tell us all to stay put."
"Well, if that happens we could just have them delivered, couldn't we?"
"Maybe, unless they run out of eggs or there's a huge backlog."
"The store had plenty of eggs."
"Yeah, but they only do until they don't, and we don't know how this will effect production or distribution of anything."
" ... "

It's hard to know the difference between being prepared and, I guess, *prepping.* All I know is that with four of us more or less stuck inside for the next few weeks, working from home or e-learning, we're going to be going through lots of food, anyway.

Anecdote: a friend of ours has to go to Boston to get her kid out of the dorm. She's flying, but the plan is for her to self-quarantine on her return.

Nicest thing I've heard some suggest is to buy gift certificates from local businesses to give as gifts later. That gives them cash right now, and guarantees traffic later when more people start going out again.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:23 (three months ago) link

xpost I guess one reason it's different from a hurricane is that it's happening everywhere.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:24 (three months ago) link

I don't think people should hoard beyond what they need or already use, but it is a very very good idea to get some extra items if you have not already.

When the grocery stores and everything closed suddenly here and then we had curfews (because all it takes is for some businesses to suddenly get looted for this to happen), the truck drivers also decided to go on strike, a lot of metros were closed so people couldn't get to work. And some grocery stores did end up opening at the end of the week but there were very very long lines and they were only allowing so many people in at a time. We didn't have a need to leave the house for at least 2 weeks and it was no stress zone in our apt. I was looking at an account from someone in Italy in quarantine and they kind of said about the same thing. Lines at grocery stores, one per household can go out.

As long as you have easy accessibility now, you should just do the errands, it will give you peace of mind later.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:34 (three months ago) link

Also yogurt, eggs, tortillas, cheese,  caramelized onions, pesto- things like that totally freeze fine.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:35 (three months ago) link

Wait... what if the TP is for all the masturbating thats about to happen


The people buying carloads of the stuff are certainly massive wankers

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:37 (three months ago) link

May they mix up their Purell with lube.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:38 (three months ago) link

best thing about the whole thing is that there isnt really a way to judge ppl and be wrong, this baby will work from all angles

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:45 (three months ago) link

xpost I guess one reason it's different from a hurricane is that it's happening everywhere.

― Josh in Chicago

well there are certainly lots of differences, to be fair. how much hurricane recovery comes from out of state, though? my impression from living in florida that a lot of hurricane response was determined internally on the state level. when a hurricane hit a big chunk of the state, i don't feel like we sat around and waited for someone else to bail us out; we started taking steps to recover.

the biggest difference is that ever since andrew florida has known what a hurricane can do and how to deal with it - if it's going to be compared to any hurricane is would probably be andrew, which i wasn't around for. the other issue is that while hurricanes caused extensive damage to infrastructure, which covid-19 won't, as soon as the hurricane was over everyone could get back to work. i don't know what people are going to do if the only people available to keep the infrastructure running are sick and contagious. if this is a true pandemic situation, it's not going to help to have literally everybody stay home, is it? not just in healthcare, where the crunch will be most acute, but infrastructure _everywhere_ just isn't going to work without people to make it work.

the big similarity i see between this and a hurricane is that the level of direct damage covid-19 can do is limited in both scope and time. the double-edged sword of the infection rate is that the worse it is, the quicker it is going to go. i'm expecting the next month to be the worst of it; anything bad that happens after that would, i suspect, be an entirely different problem which would require a qualitatively different response from effective COVID-19 response.

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 15:49 (three months ago) link

A huge difference, for the better, is that no one really has to worry about water, power, heat, plumbing, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:00 (three months ago) link

Hopefully my SF jury duty in mid-april gets cancelled.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:00 (three months ago) link

One of my housemates just canceled a weekend camping trip because he has a cough. I'm now stressing about WHAT IF to the point where my other housemates are getting irritated with me. But I'm starting to wonder, what do you do if you just have a suspected case of coronavirus in your house and can't get tested? I mean, I feel that you should treat it as coronavirus and everyone in the house should self-quarantine until two weeks after the last sick person shows symptoms, but I'm thinking this will be a hard sell with my housemates.

The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Saturday, 14 March 2020 16:58 (three months ago) link

I was DJing last night, and observed that bumping elbows instead of shaking hands is now a thing.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:41 (three months ago) link

Imagining this taking place in a very cramped, sweaty club and chuckling

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:44 (three months ago) link

one by one the food delivery service websites are conking out

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:07 (three months ago) link

My Publix was still pretty well stocked but the foot traffic is definitely much higher.

There was TP!

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:19 (three months ago) link

Went record shopping this afternoon, one guy was flipping through the bins with his sleeves pulled over his hands. Was about as dextrous as a seal trying to fold a newspaper

ymo sumac (NickB), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:22 (three months ago) link

I'm flying back to Miami. I dread Publix.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:25 (three months ago) link

I'm flying back to Miami. I dread Publix.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

winn-dixie happy to have a break from florida's grocery store locus of dread

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:31 (three months ago) link

25 new cases in FL.

The sharp increases begin

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:46 (three months ago) link

Ohio just doubled (from 13 to 26). They're ramping up testing.

whistling (brownie), Saturday, 14 March 2020 18:53 (three months ago) link

can we plz keep actual news to the other thread?

sleeve, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:01 (three months ago) link

I didn't want to interrupt Aimless's concerns about his brother but felt this was news.

Honestly having these two threads is a pain. There's no reason we can't all coexist in the other one now.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:07 (three months ago) link

Yeah, I understand anxiety, but numbers are apolitical and relevant. Unless the other thread can be just for stats and facts and news, and this one for personal anecdotes?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:09 (three months ago) link

I thought that was the idea tbh

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:11 (three months ago) link

My son woke me up at 4:30 this morning so I thought, hey, maybe I'll go to a 24-hour grocery store when it's unlikely to be mobbed.

It was a trifle unnerving. No milk, bread, chicken, or beef. Almost no pasta. There were some eggs. Very few staff, and what staff there was was clearly harried and shell-shocked from spending all night with a frantic panic-buying populace. My heart goes out to them.

From what I have read, there's plenty of food, but the distribution channels are overwhelmed and the stores are understaffed.

We have enough wine and rice and noodles and stuff. That's not so much the problem. Milk and bread, eggs and butter? I worried that supply chain issues (plus panic hoarding) could make those difficult to find.

Later in the day I bicycled to 7-11 and the liquor store; things seemed less bleak. Most pepple were quietly going aboout what business they had.

I know we're very fortunate not to be genuinely worried about actual hunger/malnutrition. But it will be a challenge for my children, who have not experienced poverty or scarcity. They will have to abandon some fussy preferences (I like ONLY A CERTAIN SHAPE of pretzel, DAAAAD). Particularly my special needsy son, who can't necessarily understand why his preferred cereal isn't there, and will almost certainly melt down over it. Sigh.

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:18 (three months ago) link

Went for a walk in the park today and just the thought of previous summers there really hit me. God knows what it's going to be like by the time it's normally warm enough to lounge around in there.

Matt DC, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:20 (three months ago) link

My manager sure picked a hell of a time for a Florida road trip with the fam.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:28 (three months ago) link

(He left a few days ago, RIGHT, before things got real serious in terms of restrictions.)

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:30 (three months ago) link

there was a dude in the grocery store with a facemask on, and I couldn't tell if it was because he was stupid and thought it would keep disease out, or if he was sick and I should run the other way.

eitehr way I kept a distance.

a FB friend of mine said she was accused of "hoarding" water when she bought two containers and she barked back IT'S FOR MY FISH TANK, ASSHOLE

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:31 (three months ago) link

I mean I really have no idea how widespread it is in Florida right now. probably much more than we know.

the theme parks are still open through today and people are still going. :/

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:32 (three months ago) link

i keep pulling out the ukulele and playing songs on it. i might master this thing by the time this is over

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:33 (three months ago) link

Been baking bread with what bread flour I have left and cutting it with cornmeal. Historians are already calling it the cornbread spring.

whistling (brownie), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:34 (three months ago) link

I thought this was just the thread where I’m not allowed to accuse any posters of having reactionary sympathies

silby, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:38 (three months ago) link

i thought this was the "relatively apolitical fears and experiences" thread where people talk about themselves and their situations
if there was a more complicated implication, it was lost on me.

speaking of me, i am trying to grasp the degree to which i will lose my shit cooped up at home for 2 weeks or more. hopefully minimally but today is not a great example of me making the most of this.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:51 (three months ago) link

yeah I am very concerned about going stir-crazy, I'm already too socially isolated

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:54 (three months ago) link

xpost Butter freezes well too (you may already know this). Also, I am not a hoarder but since it's hard to get things here sometimes we just kind of buy a lot of some stuff when we see it go on sale which is why I have like 8 blocks of kerrygold in the freezer.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:58 (three months ago) link

if anyone wants some tips on how to survive being at home for months on end without really talking to anyone irl, hit me up. i did it for a couple years recently, in preparation for coronavirus. the trick is to be high all of the time and be totally fine with getting really depressed

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:58 (three months ago) link

Surprised to see my local diner (which is a pretty small space) doing brisk business this morning, as was the neighborhood bar last night.

change display name (Jordan), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:00 (three months ago) link

I’ve continued to patronise my local cafe, where the staff have been wearing masks for a couple of weeks now and where they have a hand sanitiser station with a sign saying “clean your hands before you eat”, so my isolation is not total

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:04 (three months ago) link

Yerac I already know all of that because I am a hoarder :D

the trick is to be high all of the time and be totally fine with getting really depressed

:( i am not ok with getting really depressed. again. it's why i am aware that this will be a challenge for me. i at least need to talk with people on the phone or something.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:05 (three months ago) link

Just realising this is why the AIM chatz thread got revived

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:07 (three months ago) link

well, looks like my office is now remote until at least march 30

went out with friends last night, taking some precautions. it was the first time they’ve had a babysitter in months, and the number of recorded cases in our metro area is still zero but... I still feel a little guilty. but it’s not like I’m going anywhere any time soon. might be ordering takeout from a few favorite restaurants to make sure they get some
business

a friend posted on facebook about how her daughter has symptoms that seem similar to what’s been published, and even though it’s unlikely she called the local county info number. the operator referred her to the department of health, and the person that took that call referred her back to the first number. yikes

mh, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:08 (three months ago) link

xp

sorry LL, my post was tongue in cheek. (but not funny either!). i'm worried about it too - getting a job helped my depression chiefly because it got me out of the house! my house is like a warm inviting trap. it always seems comfortable and i'm drawn to it all the time, but the mood subtly shifts after a few days of isolation

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:16 (three months ago) link

I’m starting to wonder if I’m a weirdo because I never buy milk, eggs, or butter unless I’m making something in particular

it’s all rice, vegetables, meat, and broth/stock

mh, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:17 (three months ago) link

hmmm maybe we should start a covid picture thread soon. I may need to straighten up my pantry so it's visually appealing.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:18 (three months ago) link

i never buy miljk and only recently started buying butter because of one pasta recipe. I am obsessed with eggs. xpost

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:19 (three months ago) link

I require soft butter to be available at all times for spreading on toast, so I keep a stick in the cupboard.

whistling (brownie), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:23 (three months ago) link

I'm sorry to folks who are less okay right now. I was already enjoying unemployment and I do well staying at home with books and coffee and gardening. If it goes on long enough I might even get back to sewing, which I used to do a lot more of.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:24 (three months ago) link

oh yeah, i have one block out for current use. I am not a monster eating frozen butter for thrills.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:25 (three months ago) link

lol that does sound like something you would do

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:26 (three months ago) link

I don't buy milk or eggs often but that's mostly because I am too rarely able to cook to be able to use them up before they go bad

(obviously, that has changed a bit for now)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:29 (three months ago) link

After I posted, I was considering if there would be something to it xpost

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:29 (three months ago) link

Last week I did just eat some eggs that had been in the freezer for two months.

Yerac, Saturday, 14 March 2020 20:30 (three months ago) link

my friend's new business has now just posted what I feared, asking for people to buy e-gift cards because traffic is slowing and may be non-existent soon. as I mentioned earlier, it only opened in November, and very quickly got fucked by a city construction project that took away all of the parking on its street AND blocked one of the two entrances. It was becoming a popular hang, but they barely got off the ground to begin with. I gave them a $1,000 loan to get across the finish line.

It's been his wife's dream, and the entire family works there, and I will be devastated for him if it goes under. His family owns another business, an organic food delivery service, but after the Great Recession, they lost so much volume that they almost went bankrupt.

the social network for this place is great so I'm a little more confident that if a fundraising campaign was run, it'd do well. but well enough? I don't know.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:07 (three months ago) link

I bought a six pack of Victory Golden Monkey and might start posting drunken ukulele videos to FB

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:09 (three months ago) link

sounds like it’s time to finally add neanderthal on fb

uncle-knower is coming for you (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:12 (three months ago) link

I recorded "Rodeo Song" yesterday...but wasn't drunk

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:12 (three months ago) link

conversation i had with my elderly neighbour this morning:

- wow sally, i didn't know you had a dog!
- oh i'm just looking after him for my daughter's friend, he's a bit of a nuisance because he's not properly house-trained yet
- haaa, sounds like you've got your work cut out there!
- [neighbour nods and smiles]
- look, um i er... i just wanted to say - what with everything going on at the moment, please do just knock on our door if there's anything you need over the next few weeks, anything at all!
- oh don't worry, he's going back tomorrow
- um ok nevermind

ymo sumac (NickB), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:36 (three months ago) link

Been baking bread with what bread flour I have left and cutting it with cornmeal. Historians are already calling it the cornbread spring.

― whistling (brownie)

historians should be spending less time coming up with pithy nicknames for a crisis that hasn't even fucking happened yet and more time hanging out on pornhub, imo

the brother i was worried about is actually doing ok employment-wise, he's back into social work and out of the restaurant biz, which means more income security. main issue is, as alluded to upthread, people not being able to get to their aa meetings. i'm feeling like a lot of people are gonna be relapsing these next few weeks :(

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:36 (three months ago) link

La lechera - can you do group Skype or FaceTime with some friends? Go for a walk with your dogs and FaceTime with a friend?

I’m like you, IO, I do quite well when left to potter around at home alone. If I was forbidden from leaving my house for a month I’d be pretty stoked.

just1n3, Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:37 (three months ago) link

historians should be spending less time coming up with pithy nicknames for a crisis that hasn't even fucking happened yet and more time hanging out on pornhub, imo

p sure that was a joke, hold ur fire on the fictional historians

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:43 (three months ago) link

never! hari seldon can go fuck himself

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:43 (three months ago) link

(Marge Simpson’s mom voice) I don’t know who that is

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:46 (three months ago) link

Porn star iirc

Οὖτις, Saturday, 14 March 2020 21:52 (three months ago) link

Queens NYC grocery store completely stocked, no more overpriced than usual. I mostly bought garbage to stress eat and salt to gargle with. We are reasonably well set for the week.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:06 (three months ago) link

My neighbourhood is very Asian (Vietnamese and Cantonese mainly) and the local supermarkets are brim full with everything you can imagine it’s going to take a lot more than this to empty the hood of rice. Assuming we do go into lockdown I’m feeling pretty good about being restricted to the contents of the massive Minh Phat Supermarket round the corner.

Doesn’t seem to stock TP though, Aldi and Woolies still mobbed with people queuing for their rationed 1 packet.

Got a sack of soybeans on order, if I’m getting locked up I’m really going to work on my tofu making, plus lots of okara based tasties. Also must get some chickpea flour. Life is better with farinata.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:16 (three months ago) link

We're already at each other's throats in this house and it's been, like, a day.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:19 (three months ago) link

and itt

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:25 (three months ago) link

Grocery Outlet had more people in there today than i have ever seen there at any one time - but they were still well stocked on everything except tp.

I saw a young couple with no kids take *two* 12 packs of toilet paper *each* & take separate checkout lines, i wanted to call them out but i was too chicken :/

meanwhile the woman in front of me stood in line for a good 20 minutes to buy one (1) jar of pickles for $1.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:26 (three months ago) link

i mean, we have always bulk-bought tp at costco since we were first married but a supply like that lasts us like 6 months or more easy.

i think the publicity of it being stockpiled is just making ppl have toilet paper FOMO

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:29 (three months ago) link

My mom told me that she wore big gauntlet-like dish-washing gloves to the store and then washed them at home before she touched anything. Bless her. Whatever it takes.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:35 (three months ago) link

atta girl

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:48 (three months ago) link

heres hoping surgeons have a better fallback but otherwise 👍

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:53 (three months ago) link

My husband has been trying to figure if he should skip the gym for awhile, but it’s a small local place and they sent out a great plan for dealing with the situation so he’s still going.

Today he comes home from the gym and says “oh I’m meeting up a bar with a few ppl from the gym later”.

(Don’t worry, I reminded him that’s not how social distancing works)

just1n3, Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:59 (three months ago) link

Apparently my brother, who works for a major healthcare concern, called home yesterday and gave our parents an earful. He works in tech/communications and has been setting up videoconfs for very high-level discussions between hospital & research staff. I don't know verbatim what he said but he's been aware of these discussions for a couple of weeks and it made him start a text thread for the family to check in on. It's nice not to be the only one considering how bad it could be.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:00 (three months ago) link

met two of the achill boys for a virtual pint tonight using zoom

not too bad tho they made me take down the fb post showing one of them in a tinfoil hat and a superman onesie

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:01 (three months ago) link

My parents cohort in the UK mostly think this is a lot of fuss about nothing, but they've stopped any external contact and aren't going to anything.

In Lisbon everyone just opened all the windows everywhere and started applauding and cheering the medical staff. I saw on twitter same happened in Spain.

cherry blossom, Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:07 (three months ago) link

i checked out the neighborhood grocery store and it was calm if a little bare. i got a bag of bread flour in honor of brownie. i might make a pizza later this week.

forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:25 (three months ago) link

My father was in Madeira two days ago; other travelers around him bugged out via London (so as not to be coming from the EU), but he held firm to his plan to go via Lisbon to Newark.

Yesterday he arrived in NJ, apparently smoothly. From this I gather that (as of yesterday) US citizens returning from Europe are ok if they go to the right airports.

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:33 (three months ago) link

They used to say to actors who couldn't relate to playing a killer, "Have you ever stepped on an ant?" Now they can change it to "Did you hoard like a maniacal asshole during C virus?"

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:41 (three months ago) link

“No, I hoard like this all the time”

Which is to say there’s everyday hoarding and there’s hoarding during a global emergency

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:51 (three months ago) link

I currently have 1.5 Sams Club packs of TP in the house but it's not my personal record.

Miami weisse (WmC), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:53 (three months ago) link

I really deeply hate the overwhelming majority of New Yorkers, but this entire global shitshow confirms my suspicion that humans were a mistake.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 March 2020 23:58 (three months ago) link

my bf thinks it's a fuss about not much and doesn't see the point in stockpiling or social distancing - I thought the latter would be fine seeing as we barely go out and do anything anyway, but he announced that the weekend would be wasted if we didn't go out and that I was a miseryguts for not being enthusiastic, so I'm not looking forward to repeating that argument many times over the next however many weeks/months

on our way back we went to the big Asda on the other side of town, and we did not gather any lockdown essentials or even much food (just a few things for the weekend), and various people seemed quite keen to be standing what I would regard as way too fucking close even in normal circumstances, and then he told me off for being a miseryguts again when I got anxious

e.g. on the way in there was an old (80+?) and slightly frail-looking couple near the door, and I very deliberately gave them an extra wide berth, and then seconds later the woman was practically crawling over me to get to some groceries. *shrug*

a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:06 (three months ago) link

Sorry to hear that...I guess it’s possible that by next weekend he might be on the same page?

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:07 (three months ago) link

Mine too, aps. He's humoring me for now but I'm bumping up against his need to keep working and making $ or it all falls apart. I asked if he'd rather be dead. Answer inconclusive. I'm trying to decide whether to self-iso here in the city where I can control my environment or up w him where it's nicer to be there but not if he keeps going out.

I called him an hour ago. He was wandering around Lowe's Home Improvement just for fun.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:20 (three months ago) link

I guess we've expanded our quarantine bubble to include our next-door neighbor (in the same building) AKA my gf's friend, which is probably good inasmuch as it means she can go visit and not have to deal with my ass 24/7/???. I think she's increasingly accepting that we really shouldn't be going anywhere for a while unless absolutely necessary. I'm checking in with myself to see how I feel about voting on Tuesday (it's a block away, and I figure I can cart gloves and wipes and sanitizer and perhaps manage not touching anything directly, but I'm still feeling real iffy about jumping back into that level of exposure).

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:33 (three months ago) link

Karl, maybe so but perhaps only if it gets closer to home in a way I don't really want to wish for! some of his coworkers are smart people who work on bio-adjacent stuff so I'm hoping they'll have thoughts on the matter

I would like to both thank and curse this thread, the latter for encouraging worry spirals, but it's also nice to be around fellow worriers online since the 1 person I ever talk about personal stuff with irl thinks I'm a lunatic & actively ruining his life by voicing any worries at all

(felt quite anxious about things earlier and also cursed the interview with a survivor saying she'd mainly just felt run down, so those of us who feel run down just from worrying about it can now also have an exciting vicious spiral of worrying more that that means they already have it and are infecting their loved ones, etc)

in orbit: *solidarity elbow bump or maybe only a mimed elbow bump from 3m away*

a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:37 (three months ago) link

Update: I predicted that his clients would stop asking him to come to their homes to do his restoration work but one of his clients just asked him to come fix something. He said, "My girlfriend won't let me out of the house for two weeks but I'm not taking this thing too seriously" and she said, "Oh no, my daughter is a doctor. You should absolutely take it seriously, but I've already been self-isolating and it's very safe" but she STILL WANTS HIM TO FIX SOME BROKEN FURNITURE DURING A PANDEMIC. People really are amazing.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:39 (three months ago) link

io, I believe I'm in the same county, and I'm not going anywhere! Well, except work.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:43 (three months ago) link

Work finally made the call to send us home for two weeks. Of course I’m a bit nervous as I now have a sore throat and my wife’s temperature is elevated

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:48 (three months ago) link

wow, io! people are amazing, indeed.

I'm also not feeling like my work is taking it that seriously yet either: lots of talk by management about us working extra hard to get contingency measures in place for next term's teaching but all staff still supposed to come into the office, still got a big meeting booked on Tuesday

the latest email about it said that the latest govt advice was that potential cases would not be treated any differently depending on whether the person had recently been to a(nother) affected country, which makes sense as we have several student cases here already and I hope will mean there'll be more widespread testing (although the email said something confusing about "no testing for suspected cases in the community" which I hope I'm just misunderstanding?)

but my work's spin on this was that, ahem, "Please note that this also means that anyone who has been self-isolating without symptoms because of their return from overseas or because of contact with a confirmed case can now immediately return to their normal activities", which, really, do we really want to tell people who've been in active contact with a confirmed case of something apparently infectious before symptoms show up, "hey, get yr ass back in work, the boss says no more excuses!"?

a passing spacecadet, Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:51 (three months ago) link

It’s challenging for us to stock up on food all that effectively so it’s likely someone will have to go to the grocery store every day or two for the duration, as usual, but we’ll see.

silby, Sunday, 15 March 2020 00:53 (three months ago) link

this is maybe a weird thing to think but i'm glad that i know how to make bread, that i have a live starter in my fridge, and a fuck of a lot of flour in the pantry. what a weird time. i even picked up some branches today on the way home from the park. i have a barbecue in the back, who knows, that wood might come in handy (??)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:18 (three months ago) link

best wishes to everybody and their loved ones.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:19 (three months ago) link

so both our theme park chains are showing their asses rn.

So Universal Studios, where my brother works, originally made it sound like they were closed for two weeks and they'd pay their employees. then later on they sotto voce revealed that "essential" employees still needed to come in. which include people like my brother, who is an actor on contract and will have nobody to act for. supposedly they're all going to be asked to do cleaning duties, but I suspect the real motive is knowing not everybody is willing to come in and then they won't have to pay. the local paper ran an article on it and I'm hoping it explodes.

they went on with their Mardi Gras concert tonight. the main band cancelled. they replaced them with FLO RIDA. seriously what fucking year is it? who the fuck is going to show up to that shit where it'll actually generate income for you? and my brother had to come in to MC the show. he wasn't happy.

Disney, on the other hand? read this: https://insidethemagic.net/2020/03/disney-world-cast-members-walk-out-of-epcot-mid-shift-ba1/

If you ever visit my fine city/state, please boycott these parks.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:27 (three months ago) link

an ACTOR is essential? ok.

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:40 (three months ago) link

i was ranty about my public sector employer- the one that shut down the schools- telling us "come in unless you cant" on thursday

im coldly furious about not seeing that revised as of tonight.

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:41 (three months ago) link

we were informed we will receive comp time for performing "mission critical" duties. which to me signals working from home it's ok to not really work. i have to do about 12 hours of mission critical duties in a jail next week and will probably do about an additional 10 at home.

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:41 (three months ago) link

an ACTOR is essential? ok.

― forensic plumber (harbl), Saturday, March 14, 2020 9:40 PM bookmarkflaglink

that's the part that infuriated me most. but it most likely has to do with his salary, which is higher than what the hourly non-contracted employees get, so they would enjoy not having to pay it.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 01:46 (three months ago) link

this is a weird thought but I am mostly glad I am only responsible for feeding myself and not anybody else, since my go-to stuck at home cooking does not necessarily intersect with things anyone but me wants to eat

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:02 (three months ago) link

(no, I didn't hoard anything, I bought a normal week's worth of groceries, maybe more beans than usual but the store was nowhere near close to being short on those)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:03 (three months ago) link

otm

rusted (crüt), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:18 (three months ago) link

btw people trying to conserve toilet paper should probably not be stocking up on beans tbqh

rusted (crüt), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:19 (three months ago) link

Wow, my town here in New Jersey has now gone on total lockdown: public schools, playgrounds, gyms, health clubs, movie theaters were closed yesterday, and today they announced bars will close, restaurants can only open for takeout/delivery and there is a 10pm curfew. So far one confirmed case in the town.

o. nate, Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:41 (three months ago) link

Oh, uh, hey neighbor

Evan, Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:01 (three months ago) link

Hey! I was out walking around yesterday evening, and there were lots of people out in bars and restaurants. Guess we won't be seeing that for a while.

o. nate, Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:30 (three months ago) link

The company I 'contract' for is stoopid about everything -- especially for a massively successful publisher -- so I know this working from home crap is going to be a major shitshow. Hence I am going into the office for as long as it's feasible.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:36 (three months ago) link

People out today too having drinks and nachos etc at all the sports bars... not sure most places here are going to survive on takeout only.

Evan, Sunday, 15 March 2020 03:37 (three months ago) link

Also saw they literally wrapped the playgrounds with tape

Evan, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:04 (three months ago) link

Now would be a great time for ppl to foster cats and dogs - if you’re stuck at home anyway, can’t keep a pet long term, you could take some of the burden off local shelters AND have an adorable temporary animal companion to keep you busy.

just1n3, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:09 (three months ago) link

Pets are great for reducing anxiety too

just1n3, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:10 (three months ago) link

i have literally never listened to a podcast but i feel like the only way we can get through this is with an achill boys podcast

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:24 (three months ago) link

achill boys won't blow you away
but you know that they'll craic

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:26 (three months ago) link

I suspect I might have this. Started with a mild fever, sore throat and chest pain on Thursday and got a bit worse on Friday. Felt better yesterday though, and today I'm almost back to normal. Haven't been going out obviously and don't plan to do so for the next days. I live in Berlin where public life has basically been put on hold, which makes it a bit easier to deal with the isolation since it's the same for everyone. Still sucks though.

groovemaaan, Sunday, 15 March 2020 08:19 (three months ago) link

Hold tight groovemaaan!

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 15 March 2020 08:28 (three months ago) link

Took me three supermarkets yesterday to get bread, milk and eggs. No TP to be found.

My brother is a manager in Lidl - I'm going to look for insider information on supply drops.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 15 March 2020 08:35 (three months ago) link

No grocery store trouble at our supermarket this morning, but the cashiers are worried for their health.

I expect the army to be sent in soon.

Joey Corona (Euler), Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:25 (three months ago) link

Realising that there's no bran cereal for the last week in the local LIDL. finding that difficult to correlate with the TP rush. Or are people buying up bran cereal so they get their own rush and need to work their way through their surplus TP?
Otherwise surprised that this amount of panic requires extra roughage to help things along.

Stevolende, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:41 (three months ago) link

Went to a wedding last night. Everybody was elbow bumping (and Kung Fu fighting).

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 12:14 (three months ago) link

Calmly doing some WFH today as I usually do. I'll also be going into the office tomorrow. I hardly expect anyone to come by at all, and will just see two or three colleagues there, so I'm ok with that.

With school expected to be closed anyway from tomorrow on (on Thurs gov decided against it, schools took it upon themselves to close anyway) quite some colleagues of me and of s/o at work will have to stay at home I suppose.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 15 March 2020 12:32 (three months ago) link

We had childcare figured out or a week of spring break, but not a month of it, for a disabled kiddo who requires nearly constant supervision.

We know we're very fortunate and that it could be way worse. My employer is (however grudgingly) allowing remote work, and my wife's job is mostly remote, but still. I fully expect it to be exhausting. There will likely be some conference calls with shrieking banshees in the background. The clink of ice in a tall Maker's & ginger. Occasional yowls of cats. "Woops, didn't realize I was on mute." Nothing significant getting done, minor white lies on the timesheet.

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 13:33 (three months ago) link

via a friend's FB feed, a registered nurse's advice on how to treat yourself/what to do if you get the virus:

"You basically just want to prepare as though you know you’re going to get a nasty respiratory bug, like bronchitis or pneumonia. You just have the foresight to know it’s coming.

Things you should actually buy ahead of time (not sure what the obsession with toilet paper is?): Kleenex, Acetaminophen (Tylenol) in 325 mg tablets, Ibuprofen (Advil) in 200 mg tablets, Mucinex, Robitussin or whatever your generic cough medicine of choice is (check the label and make sure you're not doubling up on acetaminophen - some brands like DayQuil have it included and you don't want that). You want a cough medicine with both a cough suppressant and expectorant. Vicks vaporub for your chest is also a great suggestion.

If you don’t have a humidifier, that would be a good thing to buy and run in your room when you go to bed overnight. (You can also just turn the shower on hot and sit in the bathroom breathing in the steam). If you have a history of asthma and you have a prescription inhaler, make sure the one you have isn’t expired and refill it/get a new one if it is.

This is also a good time to meal prep: make a big batch of your favorite soup to freeze and have on hand. Whatever your favorite clear fluids are to drink (Sprite, juice, ICE waters, Fresca, whatever floats your boat), stock your pantry with those. Maybe get some nice soothing tea too!

For symptom management, use the meds I mentioned. For a fever over 101, alternate Tylenol 650 mg and Advil 400 mg so you’re taking a dose of one then the other every 3 hours.

Drink A TON, hydrate hydrate hydrate. Rest lots. You should not be leaving your house except to go to the doctor, and if you do, wear a mask (regular is fine, you don’t need an N95).

You DO NOT NEED TO GO TO THE ER unless you are having trouble breathing or your fever is very high (over 103.5) and unmanaged with meds. 90% of healthy adult cases thus far have been managed at home with basic rest/hydration/over-the-counter meds. We don’t want to clog the ERs unless you’re actually in distress. The hospital beds will be used for people who actively need oxygen/breathing treatments/IV fluids.

If you have a pre-existing lung condition (COPD, emphysema, lung cancer) or are on immunosuppressants, now is a great time to talk to your PCP or specialist about what they would like you to do if you get sick. They might have plans to get you admitted and bypass the ER entirely.

One major relief to you parents is that kids do VERY well with coronavirus— they usually bounce back in a few days, NO ONE under 18 has died, and almost no kids have required hospitalization (unless they have a lung disease like CF). Just use pediatric dosing of the same meds."

My career is in Infection Prevention and cannot stress enough the importance of proper hand hygiene. Washing with soap and water is best (sing Happy Birthday twice!) and sanitize when no water is available.
Plus (and this is hard...), do not touch your face!"

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 13:58 (three months ago) link

That is helpful, morbid.

Just want to note that Acetaminophen (Tylenol) doesn't play well with alcohol. So if you are a heavy drinker (or are drinking heavily to get through this time) be careful.

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:13 (three months ago) link

Oops, meant morbz not morbid (posting from stupid kid Kindle), sorry

Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:14 (three months ago) link

Alcohol also not great for immune & respiratory health so I’m probably not gonna drink the beer I bought

rusted (crüt), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:19 (three months ago) link

Alcohol is the worst for me when I have a cold. Tylenol is Paracetamol?

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:23 (three months ago) link

yup

mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:25 (three months ago) link

One beer is fine imo. No need to overdo it.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:28 (three months ago) link

Idk how much credence to give this but maybe take Tylenol instead of Advil if you have it?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:33 (three months ago) link

I also answer to morbid, Puffin

I believe I was warned off Advil when I got cancer

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:35 (three months ago) link

tbh my favourite bit of the guardian piece is this comment from the french education minister: “this coming period is not one in which the youngsters don’t have to work”

mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:40 (three months ago) link

I had hesitated to post a fb thing here from a couple of days ago but it's from a friend (reg nurse too in CA) whom I trust and I think it gives good advice:

Fellow citizens, you may develop symptoms and want to be tested.

You may not get tested. It’s very likely you won’t given government malfeasance.

Assume you’re positive and behave as though that were your result for the sake of others.

The presence or absence of a test will not benefit or harm you as an individual. It will not determine your treatment or necessarily your recovery.

The tests are to help us collectively find outbreaks and make better and more targeted epidemiology decisions to hopefully reduce the rate of transmission and deploy the right resources in the right places.

Engage in:

Self isolation, supportive care, nutritious food, fluids, rest, handwashing, mask, watch for worsening symptoms. Use sunlight and good ventilation to the outdoors. It’s old school and always fantastic.

Talk to people you love and who love you right back via phone text and FB so you feel loved and not alone.

You don’t need to go to the emergency room unless you need to go to the emergency room.

The emergency room is not the place to go because you sort of don’t feel well and are anxious or curious about getting tested.

The emergency room is for shortness of breath or a fever you can’t bring down with acetaminophen or any other potentially life limiting symptom.

Don’t panic: 80 percent of people have mild to moderate symptoms which will resolve.

Let’s breathe.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:40 (three months ago) link

So apparently paracetamol is flying off the shelves faster than toilet paper now.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:40 (three months ago) link

tbh my favourite bit of the guardian piece is this comment from the french education minister: “this coming period is not one in which the youngsters don’t have to work”

Children don't seem to have a hard time with coronavirus, so I say we should be training them up to drive buses and dig roads etc.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:41 (three months ago) link

He was talking about a 'continuité pédagogique à distance', i.e. switching to online courses.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:44 (three months ago) link

They can fit that in in between driving buses and digging roads.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:45 (three months ago) link

'Travailler' strikes me as a slightly broader concept than 'work' – there's a bit of a language barrier/mistranslation here. Against the backdrop of France's healthier take on work-life balance in general, it's kind of a weird joke tbh.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:49 (three months ago) link

make a big batch of your favorite soup to freeze and have on hand

lol making soup, sure, I know how to do that

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:51 (three months ago) link

never logging off is also work

mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:52 (three months ago) link

Never logging in is play iirc.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:55 (three months ago) link

When I'm bored, I often snack. Today for "breakfast" I ate some kettle chips, a microwave egg roll, and a few graham crackers. When I went to to the refrigerator to get some milk for my coffee, I accidentally knocked a Jello pudding cup from the shelf and onto the floor, cracking the plastic container. "Welp," I thought, "may as well eat that, too." At least until the food supply runs out, I think a side effect of this social distancing will be that I will gain 20 lbs. Which will be ironic if there is - God forbid - a mass food shortage at some later date.

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:15 (three months ago) link

I find that staying on my computer and compulsively refreshing news feeds is keeping me too distracted and anxious to feel hunger, if that helps.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:16 (three months ago) link

i am at my local algerian hairdresser for a trim. i was suddenly hit with the idea that everything will be closed indefinitely soon and i started panicking about my... hair? (though apparently in Spain hairdressers have an exemption from the shutdown, which they’re not particularly happy about; not sure why they can’t just close anyway but apparently official reasoning is that ppl with disabilities rely on hairdressers for washing?)

this might sound dumb in a few days, but i’m not sure why supplies of food and basic medicines would be threatened? why is this a worry? trains and boats and trucks and deliveries will all still happen. nowhere in the world has closed grocery stores and pharmacies afaict.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:30 (three months ago) link

/stevolende

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:31 (three months ago) link

(wondering how many Brooklyn barbers will be open this week)

OK, I've been silently cursing mask-wearers on the street, assuming they're not sick/positive and the mask does nothing.

Then here I read

Assume you’re positive and behave as though that were your result

So we should ALL be wearing masks NOW, right?

This is feeling futile already.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:32 (three months ago) link

I think by that they mean be reasonable and don't do anything or go anywhere if you don't have to. The idea is not to stop - too late - but mitigate and slow to allow doctors and hospitals and so on to keep up.

I suppose the concern is that the supply chain could be interrupted. If enough drivers or workers got sick then companies and shops might have trouble keeping up with demand. You can only make chickens lay eggs so fast, you know.

fwiw re: otc painkillers, acetaminophen, ibuprofen, naproxen et al, and alcohol, I think generally people are considering how much potential damage they can all do to your liver, and in that sense none of them are "good" for you and all of them are potentially problematic with alcohol, but mostly (afaik) warnings apply to longterm usage. Likewise, it's generally safe for most people to take higher doses than what the bottle recommends, too, as necessary - obviously they give much higher doses than, say, 200mg if you're in the hospital for something - but again I think the idea is to limit levels in the liver the best you can.

Interesting theory re: ibuprofen and covid, though. I heard an interview the other day with a man with a serious case of arthritis, one that requires prescription anti-inflammatories to reduce his serious pain. He said he's kind of in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation, since a side effect of the medicine is that it leaves him immunocompromised, but to not take the medicine would not only lead to the return of debilitating pain, but also hyper inflammation of his joints, which would lead to his body's immune response going into overdrive and thus leave him potentially more susceptible to other illnesses, anyway.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:34 (three months ago) link

in re trucks and trains and boats

i mean

yeah, until... maybe they dont?

or, as ive been wondering, until say for instance countries that buy from the UK say look lads fair play on trying something different but we're no longer allowing people, goods, anything from ye until we see how yr lil experiment shakes out

(which if twasnt already too late shouldve been our message tbh)

etc etc

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:37 (three months ago) link

Tracer, you have great hair, babe.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:40 (three months ago) link

I also answer to morbid, Puffin

I was going to say--in a cheerful, not-critical way--that's what you call a Freudian slip squared.

clemenza, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:43 (three months ago) link

Tracer, you have great hair, babe.

Surely that was meant for Say something nice about another ILXor

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:45 (three months ago) link

likewise, it's generally safe for most people to take higher doses than what the bottle recommends, too, as necessary

This is true of most NSAIDs, but very much NOT for Tylenol/Paracetamol, where the effective dose is very close to the level where it can cause liver damage.

RickyT, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:49 (three months ago) link

Good to know!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:50 (three months ago) link

p sure the "assume you're positive" meant "if you get sick."

There are plenty of people who will get a "normal" cold or flu right about now, especially since a lot of us are cooped up inside together.

So, given that a vaccine is a year away - and testing remains impractical and rare - the treatment for novel coronavirus and the treatment for a bad cold are the same. So if you get sick, treat it along the lines outlined upthread. Those will be the right things to do regardless of the etiology.

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:52 (three months ago) link

Also ibuprofen, naproxen, aspirin etc are much more likely to bugger up your stomach and intestinal lining before they have much of an effect on yr liver. Though if you are a heavy enough drinker to be worried about liver issues then your guts probably aren't in the best shape anyway, so...

RickyT, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:56 (three months ago) link

Otm

I bought a new Chromebook to deal with isolation so I don't have to use work laptop

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:57 (three months ago) link

Xpost

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:57 (three months ago) link

I'll be sane at least until the USPS shuts down and the internet stops working

Then, all bets are off, folks

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:57 (three months ago) link

Are any other freelancers, independent contractors and other self-employeds getting nervous about getting paid for services rendered before this crisis hit? I'm a little worried those $150 invoices I sent a week or two ago (which, when cobbled all together, make up about 75% of my income) are very, very low priority atm, and I'm not exactly expecting a whole lot of work in the foreseeable future

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:01 (three months ago) link

less worried about that than the ability to render services in the future (both short- and long-term; one short-term thing is that no sports also means no sports transcription)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:07 (three months ago) link

(speaking of ibuprofen, another thing I am worried about: while thankfully I did restock on iron pills before all this, I did not restock on melatonin and have run out of advil pm, so given the disruption to my schedule I am really hoping this doesn't turn into "it's 9 am, you are only now sleepy" as has happened before)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:10 (three months ago) link

I'm optimistically thinking that my main problem with being around home a lot is a lack of routine. I've had to burn some vacation days around the end of year holidays and end up being a mess, but actually having to work while stuck here is going to give me a routine, at least.

Maybe I'll come up with a way to remind myself when it's standard working hours. Maybe a dunce cap.

mh, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:13 (three months ago) link

I'll be sane at least until the USPS shuts down

Not getting medical bills, cool (not 'going green' pays off).

Not getting chemo pills, not so cool.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:15 (three months ago) link

Assume you’re positive and behave as though that were your result

So we should ALL be wearing masks NOW, right?

This is feeling futile already.

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius)

it's not _futile_ but it's not _effective_. effective containment would have been total quarantine two weeks ago. at this point containment is on the off-chance there are people who aren't infected yet, because we don't know one way or the other.

you have pre-existing comorbidities that significantly increase your risk should you get sick. do what you can to take care of yourself.

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:15 (three months ago) link

yeah the assume you are positive i took to mean you will get symptoms and won't be able to get tested so act accordingly.

I never knew that about ibuprofen. I was just discussing this with my spouse and we kind of think this is why he had recurring pneumonia years ago, because he pops advil like crazy. I may take one every other month or so for shark week.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:16 (three months ago) link

Xpost I will pay whatever it takes to get you your chemo pills

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:16 (three months ago) link

Not a joek.

This shit is scary :(

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:19 (three months ago) link

Maybe I'll come up with a way to remind myself when it's standard working hours. Maybe a dunce cap.

― mh, Sunday, March 15, 2020 12:13 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

my advice: get dressed. I've worked from home a lot on project-based (rather than time card-based) work, and I have found that setting your alarm in the morning, showering, and getting dressed as if you were commuting and expected to report at 8am or whatever actually helps a lot. Establishing and maintaining a routine is key, at least for me.

Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:26 (three months ago) link

They are finally starting to shut things down here. I think there are two cruise ships quarantined now in Patagonia because a Briton tested positive.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:27 (three months ago) link

my advice: get dressed. I've worked from home a lot on project-based (rather than time card-based) work, and I have found that setting your alarm in the morning, showering, and getting dressed as if you were commuting and expected to report at 8am or whatever actually helps a lot. Establishing and maintaining a routine is key, at least for me.

Co-sign this 100%. I've been working from home since mid-2016, and I set my alarm to get up at 6-6:30 on weekdays and find that I get a tremendous amount of work done before 10 AM. Then I go for a walk sometime between 10-11 AM (check my PO box, pick up lunch) and go back to work, at a more leisurely pace, in the afternoon and evening, with breaks to read or play Tetris or Mario Kart.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

At tip for working from home, based on 5+ years experience: After ~3 days the moderating influences of civilization fades and you begin a quick and irreversible descent into a feral state governed by your basest impulses. Don't worry, it happens to everyone.

— Adrian Chen (@AdrianChen) March 10, 2020

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:32 (three months ago) link

I'll third it. Even on weekends I'll set my alarm (although my body clock is fairly accurate) for the sake of maintaining a routine.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:33 (three months ago) link

Having a moral & philosophical argument about whether or not to go to a restaurant tonight

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:34 (three months ago) link

with working from home, i know some people are better with routines but I liked just having a list of things to do for the day and they had to be done before I went to bed (to include things like exercising or duolingo or prepping food.)

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

I've worked from home since Nov. 2001 and it messed me up so bad I became an ILX mod.

Miami weisse (WmC), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:35 (three months ago) link

I do all the normal showering/clothes/etc things when working from home. My main indulgence is that I'll respond to email and maybe attend the morning check-in meeting before showering. tbh I usually end up chatting and spending a while getting coffee after that while in the workplace, so I'm more productive from home

mh, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:40 (three months ago) link

I've worked from home since Nov. 2001 and it messed me up so bad I became an ILX mod.

Whoa. Now THAT is a cautionary tale.

Kids, study hard and work hard. You don't want to abase yourself so.

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:41 (three months ago) link

I'm planning to maintain my exact same working hours as I WFH, because I know myself well enough to say that any other course of action will result in me maintaining basically zero viable working hours. I mean...just look at all this other, funner shit I could be doing. Just look at it.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:44 (three months ago) link

getting up at 9.20, not showering and not doing any work until noon
is
my normal routine

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:50 (three months ago) link

not gonna FEEL LIKE doing work at home, ever

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:53 (three months ago) link

what if work is reading and writing

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:54 (three months ago) link

Depends on the reading and writing tbf.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:01 (three months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETKiAtcXkAY9bbv?format=jpg&name=900x900

calzino, Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:02 (three months ago) link

you laugh but

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:03 (three months ago) link

If anybody in the Boston area needs anything, let me know. I am here until the end of the month, working from home mostly, before packing up for Florida. I am mobile and happy to help.

epistantophus, Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:04 (three months ago) link

Being aged myself, all my siblings are also old. My wife has only her brother left out of three siblings and he is hanging by a thread in ICU right now. Then there's our daughter and four other residents in her group home who are deeply medically compromised and if COVID-19 gets started there it will spell death for at least some of them. Finally, my wife must have a couple dozen close friends and at least a hundred strong acquaintances who fit in the high risk 'elderly' group.

I expect it is going to be a long, sad year for us, no matter what happens to the two of us. We're determined to see it through.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 March 2020 18:55 (three months ago) link

<3 aimless

majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Sunday, 15 March 2020 18:57 (three months ago) link

feeling you, dear sir

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 18:58 (three months ago) link

Keeping you in my thoughts, Aimless.

Ainsley James Gryffyd Lowbeer Holdsworth (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:02 (three months ago) link

I know I'm just a random internet figment, but I wish you and yours all the best, Aimless (same to Morbs and everyone else who is dealing or is about to deal with this undead pathogen in some shape or form).

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:06 (three months ago) link

The anger I feel seeing Facebook posts of my coworkers out at bars and restaurants last night makes he understand how wars begin

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:06 (three months ago) link

Christ aimless, love to you

ymo sumac (NickB), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:08 (three months ago) link

Thoughts of health and strength for everyone.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:13 (three months ago) link

Strength to you and yours, Aimless.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:14 (three months ago) link

Be safe and well, Aimless, Morbs, all of you.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:15 (three months ago) link

I was joking earlier that I might get up in the morning, cycle half way to work and then come back, and then do the same at 5 - but I might actually go out and around the block twice a day anyway, both for some exercise and also to mark "werk is here" / "werk is gone".

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:16 (three months ago) link

can only echo the above. strength to all those with vulnerable family and friends

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:18 (three months ago) link

There is the 'open air treatment' that they used during other pandemics. We always always have windows open unless it's crazy cold out.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:21 (three months ago) link

xpost that was for the thing about cycling to work. Fresh air and sun.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:21 (three months ago) link

Our county is supposedly on lock down and yet the parking lot of the Hobby Lobby is full. Economic collapse averted I suppose.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:23 (three months ago) link

I've already gotten into one terrible screaming match with my wife, and I'm still stewing about it. Literally every single sensible person has given the same recommendations: avoid going out and contact with others as much as possible, because the longer isolation is postponed, the longer and worse this will get. And yet she keeps letting our kids hang out with friends, or have friends over. I know it's hard, but it's only been a few fucking days! I don't care how careful they are, or how hard is it to make the barest fucking effort to just take it easy, it's selfish. shortsighted and irresponsible. But there's literally nothing I can do about it if they're not all on board. I've basically thrown up my hands and said fine, don't do anything. If I and the people making the recommendations are wrong, we'll all be lucky. And if they're all right, then we're all going to be stuck inside with no socialization at all, anyway, except more and more people will get sick or worse in the meantime. I mean, why can't they just give it a few days? What can I do besides rant and yell?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:25 (three months ago) link

So sorry, aimless, wishing for the best

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:30 (three months ago) link

jic, had something v similar yesterday

majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:48 (three months ago) link

I convened a short notice skype chat with my team this evening. I suggested that from tomorrow we minimum man the office with everyone else working from home and response was decidedly lukewarm. Don't really understand the lack of urgency around it especially as I was suggesting to it for everyone's welfare.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 15 March 2020 19:59 (three months ago) link

People don't like disruptions of their routines. They don't like to face harsh facts and usually prefer to distract themselves, deflect them, or ignore them. They just hate change in general.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:07 (three months ago) link

yet the parking lot of the Hobby Lobby is full

I read recently that older Republicans are the least worried (because Fox and DJT told them it was a dem hoax). Then I read that evangelical churchgoers are having a hard time staying home, because church is so important to them. Then you tell me that Hobby Lobby fans aren't practicing social distance.

And... of course my brain realizes these are bad things (because contagion is no respecter of political affiliation). But thereis a secret dark part of my heart that is like "hmmm. Older Republican Bible-thumpers getting sick and/or dying in an election year?"

I preemptively denounce myself.

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:08 (three months ago) link

my roommate is treating asking to be able to use the living room (the only place in the apartment there is wifi) instead of having her watch TV there all day (which, unlike using the internet, can be done elsewhere in the apartment, like in her room) as a personal affront, even though starting tomorrow -- really, starting tonight since I have freelance -- I work from home (which, unlike TV, is mandatory)

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:29 (three months ago) link

Josh in Chicago, my experience of this so far is that people take a while to adjust to the change, and that someone can seem completely, infuriatingly resistant one day and then come around a few days later. I realize that's not much comfort when what you're arguing for is for change to happen right now, but that seems to be the way it works.

The fillyjonk who believed in pandemics (Lily Dale), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:33 (three months ago) link

I preemptively denounce myself.

― love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, March 15, 2020 4:08 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Why type something so despicable then?

flappy bird, Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:44 (three months ago) link

I warn you to stay away from the UK politics thread then.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:47 (three months ago) link

Much love and best wishes to everyone currently dealing with hard corona-related shit.

People don't like disruptions of their routines. They don't like to face harsh facts and usually prefer to distract themselves, deflect them, or ignore them. They just hate change in general.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:07 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I am definitely this person under normal circumstances, just because it's easier for me to do the things I don't want to do when I'm able to just go through the motions. But these aren't normal circumstances so if I, a person who gets briefly bent out of shape if a software update changes the look of a familiar work program or finds that his computer monitors have been knocked askew sometime overnight, can suck it up and deal with these radically changed circumstances like a responsible adult, then anybody can.

Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:50 (three months ago) link

also just had to restrain myself from screaming through the phone at a relative who is going out for the necessity of getting her nails done

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:59 (three months ago) link

I warn you to stay away from the UK politics thread then.

― God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:47 (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i keep trying to get the two groups in a thread together to really blow minds but alas

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:09 (three months ago) link

also

idk would i go "despicable" on such a thought when the site spends full election cycles wishing death and harm on ppl who vote differently to em (even with the same party)

but hey

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:10 (three months ago) link

As someone else said, if in your darkest thoughts you're thinking of effect on voting demographics, this will hit city-dwellers hardest, I'd have thought.

Alba, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:17 (three months ago) link

I finally checked my work e-mail. If we have a "valid" request to WFH, we must complete a "reasonable accommodation form".

MrDasher, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:19 (three months ago) link

NYC schools finally closing?

MrDasher, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:26 (three months ago) link

So it would seem.

Lipstick Traces (on a Cigarette Alone) (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:37 (three months ago) link

NJ probably gonna close schools starting tomorrow. My wife hates our downstairs neighbors' kids (TBF they're pretty wretched kids). Can't wait.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:09 (three months ago) link

Sorry YMP I’m freaked out and scared, I apologize

flappy bird, Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:26 (three months ago) link

my partner is working at an NYC charter school; they've just announced to staff that they're closing through late April.
just stocked up on flu medications. local drugstores, bakery, grocery stores all running fine and friendly at the moment.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:29 (three months ago) link

also: XBox Live is down

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:30 (three months ago) link

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:32 (three months ago) link

My INTERNET went down for about 20 minutes the night before last, that was troubling

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:32 (three months ago) link

I was absolutely doing the pet sematary nooooo

nephs and nieces spread diseases (wins), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:33 (three months ago) link

Mine went down again and i was about to flip on the landlord/roommate for not doing anything to address the recurring issue

Then it came back on but he was already dead

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:33 (three months ago) link

Cos my mobile hotspot ain't that strong

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:34 (three months ago) link

idk, now that I've read up and nagged family, feel like staying offline probably the best thing for my anxiety. I won't though.

lukas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:35 (three months ago) link

I was in a Park Slope supermarket line behind some 80yo b**** who was removing items AND WEIGHING THEMAT THE REGISTER; it took her 15 minutes to check out less than a dozen items. If she exposed me, I hope to see her in hell.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:36 (three months ago) link

Xpost I bought a new Chromebook cos i don't wanna use my work laptop to browse non work stuff. Not for a month

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:38 (three months ago) link

that's wise!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:40 (three months ago) link

Flappy, you needn't apologize to me; rather the other way round. You were right.

love will keep us apart (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:52 (three months ago) link

wfh tomorrow even though my employer is still officially expecting its employees to come into Central London into a building that holds approx 1000 people, many of whose jobs involve flying to and from countries all over the globe. cause Fuck That

just saw a half hour special on the first two months of lockdown in Wuhan and it was v sobering. Film followed a guy who’s part of a network that drives doctors to work (because no public transport) and delivers retrovirals from donors (who have AIDS!) to corona patients, for whom the retrovirals seem to relieve the symptoms somewhat. Also follows a nurse who gets it and has to stay at home because no beds in the hospital. Her boyfriend takes care of her, wearing full spacesuit when he enters her room. They mainly communicate via phone, even though just one room away. She gets worse and cries on the phone to get husband. Just heartbreaking. She finally gets a bed in a hospital and eventually recovers. Not just an “old people” thing. Kind of can’t believe schools are still open in London. Wuhan’s bigger than London. If anything I’m looking for an excuse not to leave the house. Just shut it all down. Keep the Internet on. Keep the corner shop open. That’s enough.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:55 (three months ago) link

We have a full team meeting tomorrow to discuss how we're going to stay away from each other.

If you didn't laugh you'd cough uncontrollably for a week.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Sunday, 15 March 2020 22:57 (three months ago) link

my sister just sent me an FB message near-begging me to come live with her in southern CT, FOR NOW.

"we can take care of you"

I think she underestimates how fast I can get a weekly chemo drip set up at another site.

"I'm really worried about looting, violence, etc."

well of course she is.

Not looking fwd to the phone call with her after dinner. Cuz … I think she's wrong, but what if she isn't?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:13 (three months ago) link

I don't think the likelihood of looting/violence is v high tbh

Οὖτις, Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:16 (three months ago) link

looting is so far down on the list of things to be fearful of.

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:19 (three months ago) link

wait this is on 77 right

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:28 (three months ago) link

I was in a Park Slope supermarket line behind some 80yo b**** who was removing items AND WEIGHING THEMAT THE REGISTER; it took her 15 minutes to check out less than a dozen items. If she exposed me, I hope to see her in hell.

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, March 15, 2020 6:36 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

would love to have a Morbs-cam for this

anyway man I hope you consider sister's offer, not out of crime concerns but just because it might be preferable in general, all things considered?

Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:30 (three months ago) link

I do dread being alone, mostly, for the duration. But how do I hang onto my apartment if this takes 6-12 months?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:46 (three months ago) link

I know whatever decision I make, it will be the wrong one.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:47 (three months ago) link

A cliche, Morbs, but one day at a time. Funnily enough, I just texted one of my best friends wondering, "Hey, uh, I'll get bored; can I stay with you?"

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:48 (three months ago) link

Yeah, Morbs. Being with people, even if not inside of six feet, is good.

Why, I would make a fantastic Nero! (PBKR), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:49 (three months ago) link

I'm not bored. I'm scared.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:52 (three months ago) link

I'm an at-risk cancer patient who has to goddamn telecommute to stay alive.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:53 (three months ago) link

you should check into getting that chemo drip set up (how long it will take, where) just to know all your options..

Yerac, Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:59 (three months ago) link

Yep if you're a chemo patient, absolutely check out all your options now. My brother is an oncologist - he tells me his department is already triaging which patients will/won't get chemo once beds get scarce. This is in Sydney, Australia, where infection rates are relatively low compared with Europe and health system pretty good.

Zelda Zonk, Monday, 16 March 2020 00:13 (three months ago) link

I just had zero chemo for 2 months while they reevaluated me. I don't need another pause this soon, it's true.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 00:21 (three months ago) link

I'm on a NY State marketplace health plan... I can only imagine the nightmare of changing states mid-year -- then changing back again if I move back?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 00:40 (three months ago) link

Bill <3 <3

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 16 March 2020 01:02 (three months ago) link

Just as an update:

FINALLY (!) my brother in law's COVID-19 test came back NEGATIVE. This is huge, but not because he isn't still walking a tightrope with death, but because it means he is not in isolation and his immediate family can start visiting him. And almost as big a relief is that his wife is not likely to be a vector to the remainder of her family and friends.

Now all he needs to do is survive and recover, which remain two very big questions, but at least he can do it accompanied by those who love him.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 March 2020 03:16 (three months ago) link

That's news in the right direction, at least. Good to hear.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 March 2020 03:17 (three months ago) link

Yes, may the positive news keep rolling in. Just having loved ones nearby can help with healing.

Fetchboy, Monday, 16 March 2020 03:21 (three months ago) link

that's very good news, aimless!

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 March 2020 03:31 (three months ago) link

We take it as such, very much so. Death can't always be avoided, but facing death alone in ICU, isolated from loved ones, is not many people's idea of a good option.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 March 2020 03:43 (three months ago) link

Maybe someone has already covered it here, but I’m just starting to wonder, is our digital infrastructure actually up to the task of handling this new week where half of everyone is suddenly videoconferencing and streaming things? I’m sure this is as unanticipated as everything else, but perhaps we’ll get lucky, eh?

Manitobiloba (Kim), Monday, 16 March 2020 04:16 (three months ago) link

for the most part yes, isp data caps are a scam and not there for any functional purpose

ciderpress, Monday, 16 March 2020 04:30 (three months ago) link

I admit I'm curious to see if my work's VPN server is going to get annihilated tomorrow it's about to see a fiftyfold increase in connections

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 16 March 2020 04:30 (three months ago) link

nyc and la are closing bars and restaurants too

mookieproof, Monday, 16 March 2020 04:34 (three months ago) link

State of Washington tomorrow, King County immediately tonight

silby, Monday, 16 March 2020 04:45 (three months ago) link

MA closed them excluding take-out

ciderpress, Monday, 16 March 2020 04:51 (three months ago) link

re communications infrastructure, I had my first work-from-home teleconference call today (voice only) and it took about 5 minutes of redialing to get through - not a great sign if their capability is that stretched at this early stage (i am in Sydney where the viral times are still in the process of kicking off but starting to gather stream alarmingly rapidly (pardon mixed metaphor))

umsworth (emsworth), Monday, 16 March 2020 05:01 (three months ago) link

Telephones are terrible for conferencing (or speaking to other humans), even if it's audio only the quality from Google hangouts, Zoom etc. is far superior. Also the infrastructure is much more scalable than the phone system.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 16 March 2020 05:03 (three months ago) link

just did the math; I didn't buy enough groceries because I was afraid of hoarding, and I'm going to run out of food probably before this all is over.

I have no idea what to do in this case since obviously even if I was allowed to go to restaurants they're closed as of tuesday, and as for groceries I'm not supposed to go out, let alone go to stores, let alone to crowded stores, and there's a chance the stores will close too.

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 16 March 2020 05:59 (three months ago) link

like "hoarding makes you evil" and "this will last for months" and "don't go outside" are incompatible together, unless you starve

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Monday, 16 March 2020 06:03 (three months ago) link

It is inconceivable that grocery stores will be ordered closed. Go get groceries when you need more.

silby, Monday, 16 March 2020 06:12 (three months ago) link

Think more along the lines of "don't go outside unless absolutely necessary". Italy's on lockdown but people there can still go to the grocery store and make trips for which they have a good reason for needing to do so.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 16 March 2020 06:16 (three months ago) link

My wife’s University is going online only from the end of the month although it’s seems like events may overtake that decision. The NSW, ACT and Queensland unis all seem to be scrambling to go inline as quickly as possible.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 16 March 2020 08:04 (three months ago) link

Might be worth a separate thread for online teaching / learning and how that's going.

If we think that the UK situation is going to stretch into the next academic year, and it looks almost inevitable that it will, i can't begin to imagine the impact that's going to have on enrollments, particularly of overseas students.

ShariVari, Monday, 16 March 2020 08:20 (three months ago) link

My wife is well prepped for this they had to start with up to 40% of her students stuck in China. Part of the assessment for one of her classes is a group project and she made sure that each group had some overseas members (only one Edgelord in a different section complained about this). Online lectures won’t be as good as in person but the tech seems to work. Plus I’m booked as a guest speaker for a couple of classes and she’s trying to find more who will remote in.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 16 March 2020 08:26 (three months ago) link

i feel like a lot of the conflicting advice is because of the uncertainty, we don't know what will happen, and we can't prepare for every eventuality. the more severe the quarantine the more it will hurt people in economically and socially precarious situations, but the more likely it is to prevent an italy-type situation

in healthcare the overriding goal is to make sure as many people as possible have access to any sort of medical care they need to stay alive. hospitals are cancelling elective surgeries so they can better focus on giving people treatment they need.

differentiating between what's convenient and what's necessary isn't a decision a lot of people are used to making. hoarders buy things in quantities they are vanishingly unlikely to need or find useful, and by doing so prevent other people who need them more from getting them. "this could last for months", on the other hand, is sort of preparing people to deal with one possible way this could go down.

there are a lot of worst-case scenarios and it's literally impossible for them all to happen. everybody has different ways of coping with the uncertainty, and one of the ways some people do it is trying to imagine all the bad things that could happen and planning for every contingency. unfortunately other people hear about this and take this coping strategy as prediction. combine this with different people focusing on planning for different contingencies...

well, i ignore most of what i hear, and certain risks, like the risk of increased political instability for instance, i decide to define as out of scope, which is why i hang out in this thread and don't hang out in the other one.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 16 March 2020 08:32 (three months ago) link

Seems like either the guardian was wrong (whod’ve thunk it) or things are moving quickly because my wife’s classes are online from Wednesday as texted from the break in her current one.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 16 March 2020 08:36 (three months ago) link

A U.K.-based company, in collaboration with Senegalese research foundation Institut Pasteur de Dakar, holds out prospects of a 10-minute coronavirus test costing less than $1 https://t.co/VkjTOPbL37

— Bloomberg Africa (@BBGAfrica) March 16, 2020

ogmor, Monday, 16 March 2020 09:19 (three months ago) link

I haven’t heard anything here about how they are planning to feed the students in the halls. My friends who work in the kitchens are clueless. If you can’t run the cafeteria that could be three meals a day for someone on full board to be replaced somehow.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 16 March 2020 09:42 (three months ago) link

St. Andrews has two sources of income, and both tourism and the university are going to be badly hit by this.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 16 March 2020 09:45 (three months ago) link

my company is telling everyone to work from home and I think is going to actually close the office at the end of this week.

in practice, this makes no difference to me, I'm already in isolation anyway, was working from home almost every day to begin with, and don't leave the house very often. I did go out on Saturday to visit some friends, perhaps not the best idea but there aren't a lot of cases around here... yet. I went to the supermarket yesterday - tbh it wasn't that bad, didn't really seem busier than usual, didn't notice any empty shelves but then I wasn't shopping for pasta or TP (when I got home I thought I probably should've bought some pasta).

Colonel Poo, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:07 (three months ago) link

Walked to work today and stopped off in about seven shops along the way trying to buy some paracetamol - I found one lonely packet hidden at the back of a shelf in the very shop I looked in.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:17 (three months ago) link

...very LAST shop that is, no sign of any anywhere else.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:18 (three months ago) link

Banal at this point but local Sainsbury's comprehensively depleted of canned stuff, porridge / muesli, regular soya milk, bog roll, cleaning stuff etc., for the first time. I was thinking they would have restocked overnight and Monday morning would be a good time to get a few bits in. Plenty of broccoli though and got the last jar of sauerkraut so all was not futile.

Not a dancer by any traditional definition (Noel Emits), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:19 (three months ago) link

People are up at the crack of dawn to add 12 further rolls of toilet paper to the 64 they already have.

God gave toilets rolls to you, gave toilet rolls to you (Tom D.), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:23 (three months ago) link

It's fascinating to me how the supermarkets have been utterly denuded but the local shops have everything - toilet roll, rice, bread, etc. A woman in front of me at the cornershop yesterday was like 'now everybody's got to use the local shops - like they should have been doing anyway!' and I'm like go off king

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:25 (three months ago) link

suggests it's a car problem - if people have cars there's a temptation to load them right up

ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:42 (three months ago) link

yes my Big Saturday Shop™ was limited by wheezy old me hauling the fkn shopping bags on foot, so i will have to go out again and get a bunch of smaller back-up stuff

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:49 (three months ago) link

otoh cars are great for social distancing, maybe supermarkets will just eveolve into drive thru bog rog roll depots

ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:52 (three months ago) link

One thing noticed yesterday at Tesco - there was a queue of about 25 people for self-checkout, while there were still cashiers free.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 16 March 2020 10:53 (three months ago) link

Yes this is a very good time to be using local shops, still loads of pasta, rice, painkillers in the standard Food & Wine type shop down the road from me. We have a butcher and a fishmonger and a few other things within walking distance as well which is hopefully going to be better than relying on the supermarkets as well.

The delivery system is really fucked though, they're going to have to find some way of getting deliveries to over 70s as priority rather than letting all the slots be taken up with panic-buyers.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:53 (three months ago) link

there are groups organising like this - https://covidmutualaid.org/local-groups/ - but, incredibly imo, it's all on fkn facebook

ogmor, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:58 (three months ago) link

I, or my neighbours, will die in a ditch because I’m not on fkn facebook.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 16 March 2020 11:01 (three months ago) link

My supervisor said I should stay home and wait for the phone delivery that would enable remote work login.

Talked my sister off the ledge re my survival here last night. Just got a message from my best friend encouraging me to go live with sis in CT. :/

I can't stand this.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 11:09 (three months ago) link

xp our local fb groups are coordinating people to go out and put flyers through letterboxes offering aid & with phone numbers.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 16 March 2020 11:23 (three months ago) link

Sending best wishes and strength morbs

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 16 March 2020 11:35 (three months ago) link

DC-area Metrobus has reduced itself to "Saturday Supplemental" service on weekdays for now.

I had a dentist's appointment for Tuesday morning, but the office just announced that they are closing for at least the next two weeks.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Monday, 16 March 2020 11:41 (three months ago) link

One thing noticed yesterday at Tesco - there was a queue of about 25 people for self-checkout, while there were still cashiers free.

Bit weird given all the prodding of those touchscreens that self-checkout involves.

Alba, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:51 (three months ago) link

perhaps I now appreciate why my bf was annoyed at me worrying at the weekend (which felt unfair as I felt like I was recently walking on eggshells re certain things he gets anxious about and then when I'm anxious I just get told I'm overreacting and to stop complaining), since I am in the office and a coworker has spent all morning monologuing eeyorishly about how bad things are/will get, and a wave of doom has settled upon me

it's not that she's wrong in any of her assessments, it's just the added layers of despair which are now crushing my poor defeated brain, ho hum

a passing spacecadet, Monday, 16 March 2020 12:05 (three months ago) link

No fewer than three people I know in TO have told me "a reliable source" informs me the city is about to "shut down", whatever precisely that means. Very strange.

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Monday, 16 March 2020 12:13 (three months ago) link

There is a Fairway supermarket in the upper west side that always has a long ass line winding through the store to use the self check outs, but the staffed registers have maybe 2 people in line. I think people just see the line and get in it.

Yerac, Monday, 16 March 2020 12:19 (three months ago) link

I guess you can control what you touch at self-check-in, then wash your hands - a cashier otoh will touch all of your shopping.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 16 March 2020 12:20 (three months ago) link

I never use self-checkout, in the spirit of "I don't fucking work here"

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 March 2020 12:23 (three months ago) link

my man

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 16 March 2020 12:29 (three months ago) link

I phoned my parents last night and felt a bit better that they are at least ta