"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

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What is a Freeman-on-the-land? Well, it isn't someone who remains outside the law. No-one is outside the law, so this is not a proposition for anarchy.

But - it all depends on what is meant by 'law'.

And that's the catch. What you have grown up to assume is 'the law' is not, in point of fact, the law.

That's The Grand Deception. Hitler was right: "If the lie is big enough, the People will fall for it".

Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know.

You will realise that, while you do not cause harm or loss to another, while you never breach the peace, and never employ any mischief in your promises & agreements, you SHOULD (by Rights) never, ever, end up in court - whatever else you may do. And that, if you do end up in Court, you can stand on your Rights to get any case withdrawn, BEFORE IT EVEN STARTS! Start reading, and take control of your life, because the real Truth can, indeed, set you free.

http://www.fmotl.com/

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:12 (six years ago) link

i may have noted that i may have dealt with the hibernian version of these thuggish cunts professionally bytimes

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:14 (six years ago) link

are they the millenial version of yerman who used to make CITIZEN'S ARRESTS only writ large due to internet societal cloggery

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:15 (six years ago) link

woah i just watched that entire thing and it changed my life

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:17 (six years ago) link

part conspiracy theory, part semi-literacy, part sad bastards with too much time on their hands

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:17 (six years ago) link

"You will realise that, while you do not cause harm or loss to another, while you never breach the peace, and never employ any mischief in your promises & agreements, you SHOULD (by Rights) never, ever, end up in court "

Just tried to apply this axiom to whether or not it's ok for me to eat the ham and cheese sandwich I've prepared for myself on returning from the boozer, level of recursive thought involved in spangling my brain

Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:18 (six years ago) link

woah i just watched that entire thing and it changed my life

― sleepingbag, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:17 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a new york minute, everything can change

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:18 (six years ago) link

What is Common Law?
It's the "law-of-the-land". And the Grand Deception starts when you do not realise the implications of the apparently insignificant word "land". And the very real difference between "the land" and "the sea". There is "law-of-the-sea". It's sometimes called Maritime Law. Or Admiralty Law, and so on. Other terms, meaning the same thing, are Civil Law, Commerce Law, Fleet Law, etc. Statutes are the "law-of-the-sea" and, if you committed the (apparent) violation on dry land, then you are only subject to the law-of-the-land. And the only "law-of-the-land" is Common Law. Statutes, passed by any Parliament, are the "law-of-the-sea"

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:19 (six years ago) link

no joeks lads but the freemen of the land would soon get their arses felt if they ever tried any of their fast talk with the freemen of the sea

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

i'm a bit bemused as to why these dudes feel that having number plates on your car and buying a TV licence are the two greatest instances of state oppression in history

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

*is spangling my brain, xxpost to myself, ffs

Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

because one can be used to trace your parking tickets and you have to pay the other

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

"Actually I'm very, very, rich. Because I have a lot of good friends - both local and cyber. And that's all I need, and will ever need."

This particular line of reasoning otm, refusing to read further for fear of spoiling it all

Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:21 (six years ago) link

some of the videos make it look like the police are being alerted to the existence of these eejits now

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

the first time i ever came across this phenofreemenon was regarding a parking ticket, dotty aul wan owned a crumbling mansion north roscommon way (great aul anglo/anglish country, that, all dotty as fuck) and she challenged me over the course of 15 scribbled pages to prove that she was a person and really there's nothing in the manual about that tbh

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

obv when i made my move into the great new excitement of property taxes in 2012 i recognised their workings immediately

the best lark is the stickers that, affixed to any notification/demand of payment, LEGALLY RENDER THEM NULL AND VOID

these genius little beauties basically say "nothing to do with me guv"

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:24 (six years ago) link

'Lawful' is what it is all about. 'Lawful' .vs. 'unlawful'. Do not get trapped into discussing 'legal'/'illegal'.

finest minds of our generation

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:24 (six years ago) link

ime they're still a huge improvement on the cult that sign their names with a big angel graphic

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:25 (six years ago) link

if i to guess which way the property developers went after the fall it's prob 30 legal route to freedom/40 freemen/30 angel cult

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:26 (six years ago) link

16. "I feel 'guilty', because I owe the money". No, you don't owe a damn thing! When taking out the loan, you were 'loaned' back what was yours in the first place. You created the 'money' when you signed the Loan or Credit Application. By doing so, YOU gave THEM a Negotiable Instrument called 'the money'. They cashed this in(*), and then used that to loan you back your own money. You don't owe a damn thing! THEY owe YOU - an apology at the very least - for applying this confidence trick on you - AND FOR CHASING YOU FOR SOMETHING YOU ALREADY GAVE THEM.

(* Actually they just could have walked away with your cash. But they didn't, because they are greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy. They knew they could get you to pay everything back, and also to pay them INTEREST on top of that. Thus they had already been paid in full ONCE when they cashed in on your money, took a risk by offering it back to you, and reckoned on being paid TWICE OR EVEN MORE via the 'interest'. Are you just beginning to feel slightly less sympathetic? If not, I don't know what else to say.

"Can this really be true?" Answer: Yes, because there is no other way. Banks are not allowed (by LAW) to lend Depositor's money (which is held by them 'in trust'). Loan Companies and Credit Card Companies (etc.) have no Deposit Money in the first place! Do they? So how else could they do it, then?)

now i like to think of myself as a literate, tolerably intelligent bloke but

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:26 (six years ago) link

by all means bring other comedy cults into the party, i was not aware of this angel stuff

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:27 (six years ago) link

The FBI considers "sovereign citizen extremists" to be part of a domestic terrorist movement

cogent approach this imo

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:28 (six years ago) link

Angry at you for sending me down a youtube rabbit hole when I really should be going to bed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY6EYzhT2I

including 'weird men' who fancy the mermaids (soref), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:28 (six years ago) link

suggest me a site i can draw a graphic online and post it and i'll show you- nothing coming up on google

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:29 (six years ago) link

Elizabeth Watson, aka Elizabeth of the Watson Family, who came to public attention in 2011 as a self-styled legal adviser in the Victoria Haigh child custody case, was given a nine-month suspended sentence for contempt of court. She had written "no contract" on court documents, denied the lawful authority of the proceedings, and used the "of the ..... family" format when referring to Ms Haigh and herself. (The custody case had concerned false allegations that the child's father was a paedophile.)[3]
Mark Bond, aka Mark of the Family Bond, a Norfolk, England odd-job man, was arrested in 2010 for non-payment of council tax, despite handing police a "notice of intent" stating that he was no longer a UK citizen. He told police that the notice had already been delivered to the Queen and the prime minister. He told the local paper: "Today I asked the judge to walk into the court under common law and not commercial law. If I had entered under commercial law it would prove that I accepted its law. I was denied my rights to go in there." He was sentenced to three months custody, suspended on condition that he pay off the debt at £20 a week.[4]
Bobby Sludds, appeared in court in County Wexford in Ireland charged with various motoring offences including two counts of no insurance. Before the police began to give evidence, the accused handed in a letter stating he was not Mr Sludds but Bobby of the family Sludds and questioning the use of the word 'person' in the charge. He was given two suspended sentences and a fine of €670. (He had 24 previous convictions for motoring offences.)[5]
Wilfred Keith Thompson and two others were arrested by police in Guelph, Ontario (Canada), charged with break, enter and theft as well as firearms offences. Thompson had previously made headlines for informing City Hall, local police, Guelph MP Frank Valeriote, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other officials he is "an autonomous being not controlled by others". One of his co-defendants, Trevor “Red” De Block, refused to identify himself to the court, though it was said that his criminal mug shot, computer records, tattoos and other information confirmed his identity. "I object," De Block said, adding that he was not the "rightful owner" of his name, but refusing to clarify or participate in legal proceedings. "I don’t bow down to bail [sic] . . . to false gods," he said, and rejected assistance from the appointed lawyer. Thompson and De Block were denied bail.[6]
Dean Marshall, of Preston, East Riding of Yorkshire, England, was taken to court after he was found to be growing 26 cannabis plants in his garden shed. Claiming he was a Freeman on the Land and therefore not guilty, he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither were available to attend. A jury at Hull Crown Court dismissed his claims and convicted him of conspiracy to produce cannabis for which he was given a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid work. [7]
Doug Jones, of Pembroke Dock, Wales, spent 22 days in prison after refusing to take a breath test. Jones questioned the authority and jurisdiction of the court, asking to see the judge's 'Oath of Office' which resulted in a sentence of fourteen days for contempt of court. He was sentenced to a further seven days after failing to attend a second hearing, but pleaded guilty to the original charges, receiving an endorsement on his driving license. His interest in the Freemen on the Land movement started after watching documentaries on conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings. His solicitor, Phillipa Ashworth, stated “On this occasion, in hindsight he appreciates it was not the time to test out philosophical theories behind this approach to life, and in hindsight it isn’t something he would do again.”[8]
Gavin Kaylhem, of Grimsby, England, wilfully refused to pay his council tax debts of £1,268.54 accrued between 2001 and 2008 and was sentenced to 30 days imprisonment. He had claimed that he was a "Freeman" and thus had no contractual duty under Common Law to pay. He refused to co-operate with magistrates' questions.[9]

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:30 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah

ownership of the name

if we wrote out to these lads they sent us back in a charge of one pound of gold for use of their name, which they owned the rights to

great bunch of lads, tho. gave us many's the laugh, and never sent us dog shit or whatever

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:31 (six years ago) link

Dennis Larry Meads of Edmonton, Alberta, stormed out of a Court of Queen's Bench hearing on June 8, 2012, related to his divorce and matrimonial property case. In response, Associate Chief Justice John D. Rooke wrote a lengthy and comprehensive 185-page judgment rejecting various freemen claims, grouping them with other pseudolegal arguments as "Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments" (OPCA), specifically, in this case, Meads' Freeman on the Land claims, arguments and documents,[11] saying that:
The bluntly idiotic substance of Mr. Mead’s argument explains the unnecessarily complicated manner in which it was presented. OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used. Documents are often ornamented with many strange marking and seals. Litigants engage in peculiar, ritual‑like in court conduct. All these features appear necessary for gurus to market OPCA schemes to their often desperate, ill‑informed, mentally disturbed, or legally abusive customers. This is crucial to understand the non-substance of any OPCA concept or strategy. The story and process of a OPCA scheme is not intended to impress or convince the Courts, but rather to impress the guru’s customer.[10] [emphasis in original]

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (six years ago) link

thats the stuff judge

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (six years ago) link

i am sort of mildly amused by them but mostly they are too stupid and po-faced to be delightful

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (six years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolphus_Allen_Family_Private_Trust

oh yeah i've dealt with these guys you'll want to read this

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (six years ago) link

that lad from Preston in East Yorks, i wonder if he is one of the guys in that first vid i posted which also comes from round our way

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:35 (six years ago) link

i'm kind of amused how at some point (usually fairly early) in these shenanigans the police or court officials don't even bother explaining why the freeman is so wrong, they just bust out the handcuffs and violence inherent in the system

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:37 (six years ago) link

soref on the money tho i shd save this nonsense for tomorrow

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:38 (six years ago) link

tbf a powerful challenge to the very heart of the ruling system must be smacked down before the ring of truth be heard from every rooftop (repossessed)

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:38 (six years ago) link

If you think creating a Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right is the hard bit, then think again. You've only just begun, to quote a '60s song by The Carpenters.

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:55 (six years ago) link

riddled with inaccuracies, like i thought

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:57 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLgnpb1XmW4

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:06 (six years ago) link

I was looking at the youtube channel of one of these people he was on the crystal maze in the 90s, he has videos of him and his team in the pub with Richard O'Brien:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvSVKWwsInA

including 'weird men' who fancy the mermaids (soref), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:17 (six years ago) link

Oh wow, he was on the team that only won one crystal! I remember this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LgOPl4the4

including 'weird men' who fancy the mermaids (soref), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:22 (six years ago) link

http://www.awakeradio.co.uk/

lots of conspiracy stuff i find really boring but i love this sort of shit

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:22 (six years ago) link

when i say "love it" i don't mean like "i love crazy anti-semites" just i am entertained

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:24 (six years ago) link

I'm so excited that you have these people too! I thought it was an American peculiarity.

he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither were available to attend.

l. ol. ol. ol.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:25 (six years ago) link

i didn't realise at first that they originated in the US, the legal mumbo jumbo sounds like it wd be very nation-specific, but then i found out of course internet quackery mutates quickly enough

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:30 (six years ago) link

I'm a U.S. criminal defense lawyer, and I represented one of these guys. It was a hoot. He simply refused to accept reality as it solidified around him. Nice enough fellow, but batty as all get out.

J, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:08 (six years ago) link

From the OP:

Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know.

Um, "everyone you know" is a pretty good definition of the society you live in, and coming up with a definition of "the law" that is at odds with the entire society you live in is as good a way as any to bring the judgment of that society down on your head. The law isn't some magic incantation known to the few, like Mephistopheles summoning the devil, and when you learn it you can command it to do your bidding.

Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:33 (six years ago) link

Now see that's where you're wrong. All you have to do is refer to yourself in all caps and you can redeem your true self back from the government. That'll show 'em.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:45 (six years ago) link

correction: Faust summoning Mephistopheles

Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:52 (six years ago) link

Blatantly ("accidentally," I bet they'll say) obfuscates the link between cannibal giants and Nazi UFOs

mick signals, Sunday, 5 August 2018 20:14 (one year ago) link

I like how they copyrighted the chart

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Sunday, 5 August 2018 20:16 (one year ago) link

as if they didn't know that Swiss Banking should be grouped with Nazi UFOs, it possibly might be rong!

calzino, Sunday, 5 August 2018 20:26 (one year ago) link

ty grawlix that explains a lot. great to see it all laid out so clearly.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 6 August 2018 02:45 (one year ago) link

oh man... browsing the Deep State Mapping Project and honestly cannot tell if it's parody or not

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 6 August 2018 03:00 (one year ago) link

My favorite is: PINDAR, sitting atop the lower-middle pyramid containing the Committees of 13 and 300.

The by-gawd original Pindar (accept no substitutes) was a very esoteric ancient Greek poet specializing in super elaborate and formalized poetry praising winners in the ancient Olympic games, especially rich people who could afford his fees. He always made sure to connect the winner's bloodline to some god(s) or semi-divine heroes. God knows what his name means to the paranoid schizophrenics of the world.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 6 August 2018 04:29 (one year ago) link

This is where it is very useful to tell a story told by a former US Air Force doctor. UU., Bill Deagle, MD, who described in an interview to the YouTube channel Project Camelot, a mysterious encounter he had with a prominent member of the Rothschild family, Baron Guy De Rothschild, in 1992:

"I woke up in the middle of the night I stood up and sat down. And I had all the lights on because I had to go to the bathroom periodically or whatever. I had all the lights on. And this guy was standing in front of me with what I call a $ 5,000 tuxedo, not a single one on his head, about 50 years old, thin and slender.

I said: How did you get in here?

And he says: It’s wonderful to see you My son.

I said: You are not my father.

And I looked at this guy, and he looked like the French nobility, okay? And I said: Who are you?

He says: I am Baron Guy de Rothschild, the Pindar.

And I felt something strange, something like an anguish or a kind of shrinking or squeezing in my spirit. And I knew immediately, because I have this gift. okay?

Without going into a long discussion, I knew right away. I said: I know who you are. You are the representative of the Luciferian power that controls the Earth.

He says: Yes, I am the CEO of Earth, Inc., and I am the man in 13th position of the Druidic Council. I want you to be my substitute, and when it transpires I want you to occupy my position.

And I said: No, I’m not going to do it.

He said: We know your bloodline; we know your genetics; We know everything about you and you are a perfect replacement for me.

And I said: No.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 6 August 2018 04:48 (one year ago) link

had some fun reading about Solar Warden earlier thanks to that image
Pindar is the reptilians king iirc

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Monday, 6 August 2018 04:49 (one year ago) link

What is interesting here is Rothschild’s claim that he was the “Pindar” and was the “CEO of Earth, Inc.”. This suggests that he is simply directing the Earth on behalf of others, but who? To get an answer, we can look for information about the Pindar supplied by British researcher David Icke. Icke wrote about Pindar in The Biggest Secret after interviewing a former participant in occult satanic ceremonies, Arizona Wilder. Icke wrote: Pindar means ‘Dragon’s penis’ …

Arizona says Pindar, like all reptilians when they change shape, has very powerful hypnotic eyes (the ‘evil eye’ of the legend) and in the sacrifices, the faces of the victims look at the Pindar at the moment of death for him to steal the soul or the energy of the person through this magnetic process of the “evil eye” ….

Pindar attends the main satanic ceremonies in Europe and then flies to California for the rituals there. [pages. 302-3] The idea that a high ranking member of the Rothschild family, Guy de Rothschild, was a changing reptile, or a hybrid of some kind, will be a shock to many who do not believe that extraterrestrial life is a physical reality on Earth. This incredulity will be notably the case of those who come from a Christian background, who attribute the satanic / Luciferian influence on Earth to the demonic entities of another world associated with hell, as described in the biblical passages.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 6 August 2018 04:50 (one year ago) link

Pindar attends the main satanic ceremonies in Europe and then flies to California for the rituals there.

Of course, the Bohemian Grove party! It all makes sense now.

nickn, Monday, 6 August 2018 04:56 (one year ago) link

This incredulity will be notably the case of those who come from a Christian background

Good choice of word there: incredulity.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 6 August 2018 05:01 (one year ago) link

Mirroring this post from the main politics thread:

Interesting article here positing that the whole "QAnon" conspiracy started life as a lefty/anarchist prank on gullible right-wing chuds but has taken on a life of its own.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 6 August 2018 12:13 (one year ago) link

of course Foucault's Pendulum had to become real eventually

the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 August 2018 12:18 (one year ago) link

He said: We know your bloodline; we know your genetics; We know everything about you and you are a perfect replacement for me.

And I said: No.

Eventually Baron Guy wearied of showing up in various dudes' houses in the middle of the night again and again and always getting rebuffed, and the Earth, Inc. dev team came up with a smartphone app, called Pinder, with which you can simply swipe on potential Druidic Councilmates with either a dextral or sinistral wave.

mick signals, Monday, 6 August 2018 13:35 (one year ago) link

lol, a+

Rogan Twort's highly portable product (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 6 August 2018 13:50 (one year ago) link

very charming sovereign citizen profiled in this thread

The So Cal Holy Fire is burning out of control in Orange County. 10,000+ acres have burned, and it's only 5% contained. The sheriff has arrested Forrest Clark, 51, on suspicion of arson. He threatened to burn everything down in a message to the sheriff a week earlier. pic.twitter.com/dWP4k1cIhe

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) August 10, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 10 August 2018 15:35 (one year ago) link

this town ain't big enough for two Forrests

Dan I., Friday, 10 August 2018 16:28 (one year ago) link

There’s some special people in that thread.

The people who believe to the RuSA alternative government believe that the real/de jure) US government ceased to exist in 1871 and that an imposter/de facto government has been in power ever since. pic.twitter.com/ZO7PqdJu78

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) August 10, 2018

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 11 August 2018 02:58 (one year ago) link

all this talk of "pindar" keeps making me think of the moody blues

i don't like thinking about the moody blues

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 August 2018 09:21 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article224221620.html

j., Sunday, 13 January 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

“The intent is never to scare anybody,” Roth told The Star. “The intent is never to freak anybody out."

maybe leave your gun at home then idk

Berks & Cow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:40 (one year ago) link

Harper has been the subject of multiple protective orders in Oklahoma, accused of threatening people with a rifle and attempting to run his ex-wife off the road with his truck.

ah, there it is.

sort of weird that they frame it as a first amendment thing. like you're...peaceably assembling just outside the boundaries of a nuclear facility, i guess? i don't know how the rhetoric usually works.

circles, Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:52 (one year ago) link

In Australia, one of these cunts has just been gratifyingly done: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-19/geraldton-city-seizes-wayne-glew-land-for-non-payment-of-rates/10619944

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Monday, 14 January 2019 01:00 (one year ago) link

Check out this twat

Unhappy pensioner who tried to cite Australian case law and William Pitt in defence against conviction has appeal delayed

In November John Timbrell pleaded not guilty to obstructing a police officer in Mitcheldean – despite freely admitting in court that he obstructed a police officer.

The 76-year-old told Cheltenham Magistrates’ Court a police arrest warrant is “fraudulent” if it does not have a wet seal.

Timbrell then described the officers as “badly trained dummies” who do not know the difference between ‘lawful’ and ‘legal’.

“Your rights as a police officer do not give you the authority to break common law,” he told PS Freeman.

“The fact a living man can refuse jurisdiction from a court is not known to many police officers.”

Timbrell then described the legal system as the “illegal system”.

Giving evidence to the court, PC Varden said: “I didn’t know what he was on about.”

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 27 January 2019 11:15 (one year ago) link

Mr McCabe asked: “Did you use the internet in your research?”

“I am not going to be trapped into that,” Timbrell replied.

some of these need their internet taking off them

unexplained drinking injuries (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 January 2019 11:26 (one year ago) link

Looks like he missed a trick by not making use of the fact that the police officer he obstructed was named Freeman.

the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Sunday, 27 January 2019 12:32 (one year ago) link

this is getting worse and worse here as banks start to actually repossess the hard luck investors from the past double decade

our master of the high court is worth a google, hes been up to allsorts lately

david waster phallus (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 January 2019 13:18 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...
two months pass...

Is this the right thread for these, er, pioneers?

US man could face death penalty over Thailand 'sea home'

"We're looking forward to freedom loving people to come and join us on the open ocean"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bceePdFruU

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:53 (nine months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3cjtSbWMAAVBRx.jpg

kinder, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:09 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

this is old and yet in another more accurate sense, evergreen:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html

mark s, Saturday, 25 May 2019 18:22 (eight months ago) link

yeve seen the ben gilroy vid right

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Saturday, 25 May 2019 20:58 (eight months ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/23/man-refused-to-register-sons-birth-high-court

[The judge] said the couple’s deliberate decision not to register the birth stemmed from the boy’s father’s unusual and somewhat eccentric beliefs about the concept of personal sovereignty. He said the boy’s mother was not prepared to register the birth herself, but was not opposed to somebody else registering it.

He said the father had a genuinely held belief in the power and writ of the individual. The father told the judge: “We are each our own sovereign. We are governed by a common law but only to the extent that we depart from three principles. These three imperatives are: to do no harm; to cause no loss; to inflict no injury.”

The judge said the father regarded registering a birth as the equivalent of making an entry on to a ship’s manifest. He argued that registering the birth would make the child “an asset to the country, which has boarded a vessel to sail on the high seas”.

The judge added the essence of the father’s objection was “his belief that registration will cause his son to become controlled by a state which he perceives to be authoritarian and capricious”.

van dyke parks generator (anagram), Sunday, 23 June 2019 17:50 (seven months ago) link

the father’s objection was “his belief that registration will cause his son to become controlled by a state which he perceives to be authoritarian and capricious”.

He's both right and wrong about that one. The state is quite often authoritarian and capricious, and it does control those who live within its borders to a large extent, but his belief that failing to register his son's birth would have the slightest effect on this is just magical thinking of the worst sort.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 23 June 2019 18:18 (seven months ago) link

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/germanys-new-mini-reichs/

The Reichsbürger’s ethno-nationalist ideology most closely resembles American strains of right-wing state-denying and secessionist groups known as “Sovereign Citizens.” Many of the exact conspiracy theories, tactics, and legal maneuvers employed by German Reichsbürger are borrowed from the Sovereign Citizens, whose earliest groupings can be traced back to the 1970s. Often survivalist or white nationalist in nature, Sovereign Citizens deny the legitimacy and jurisdiction of the US federal government and especially the IRS, claiming that the individual is inherently sovereign or that the highest authority is the local sheriff (as commissioned by local “free men”).

The Australian sociologist Judy Lattas sees microstates as “a largely grievance-driven form of political protest” but with a much deeper significance for our present understanding of the nation-state and the individual. Small groups and individuals who declare their own state may take their vocabulary from the establishing ceremonies of larger states, but they “relocate” sovereignty onto an assertion of individual rights. Thomas Jefferson’s individual hand signing the Declaration of Independence represented not himself but the united will of the nation. Microstates insist that tiny groups and even single individuals also deserve the rights of a state.

j., Sunday, 23 June 2019 22:21 (seven months ago) link

Pierce is doing what pundits do, taking a news story and spinning out a narrative. A lot of these narratives involve the future and the horrible consequences that will roll out of the original news story and day now.

Pierce could be right here. The implications of the Oregon Republicans openly embracing people who make serious threats of violence against their political opponents is ugly as hell and much too easy to normalize as just another baby step in a trend that's been building for more than a decade. But it's good to remember that pundits, like stock pickers, make a lot of bad or overwrought predictions, based on seeing trends that move only in one direction.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:15 (seven months ago) link

is there a more positive narrative?

mookieproof, Monday, 24 June 2019 23:24 (seven months ago) link

I can't see the future.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:48 (seven months ago) link

xp no there isn't

Ambient Police (sleeve), Monday, 24 June 2019 23:49 (seven months ago) link

Let's see about that. Hmmm. How about:

  • no actual violence occurs as a result of this act of political theater on the part of the Republicans.
  • the episode ends with the Republicans further marginalized in Oregon politics as a result of their stupid shenanigans.
  • the cap-and-trade bill is slightly altered to allow some face-saving but passes essentially as it is (which already contains a number of compromises to address the concerns of rural Oregonians and the 'mighty' timber lobby.
  • in the parts of the state where the more militant, gun-toting, confederate flag-waving minority flaunts their ugly beliefs, the less militant majority continues to worry mostly about making a living and raising their kids.
  • and the whole thing blows over.
I don't claim to be a clairvoyant, but this narrative about the future seems to me to exist within the realm of the possible. I offer it, not as prediction but as a possible "more positive narrative" that mookieproof asked for and sleeve asserts doesn't exist.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:51 (seven months ago) link

does this... remind you of anyone?

More details: https://t.co/Dmz4U9Tj46

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 2, 2019

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:05 (six months ago) link

is it possible to be both a sovereign human being and a seven nation army?

coroner criticises butt (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:12 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Early in ILX's existence there was a Millar who posted here. Kind of a contrarian, given to outbursts. I wonder...

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 23 August 2019 17:11 (five months ago) link

lol

mookieproof, Friday, 23 August 2019 17:37 (five months ago) link

four months pass...

washington state senator is a real piece of work: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/23/us/matt-shea-washington-extremism.html

ex-wife testified that he insisted she walk on his left side because his sword, if he had one, would be on his right

also no one wants to arrest him due to fears of a violent confrontation

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 December 2019 12:04 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Kansas man asks judge's leave for sword battle with ex-wife, lawyer

A Kansas man has asked an Iowa judge to let him engage in a sword fight with his ex-wife and her attorney so that he can “rend their souls” from their bodies.

David Ostrom, 40, of Paola, Kansas, said in a Jan. 3 court filing that his former wife, Bridgette Ostrom, 38, of Harlan, Iowa, and her attorney, Matthew Hudson, had “destroyed (him) legally.” The Ostroms have been embroiled in disputes over custody and visitation issues and property tax payments.

The judge had the power to let the parties “resolve our disputes on the field of battle, legally,” David Ostrom said, adding in his filing that trial by combat “has never been explicitly banned or restricted as a right in these United States.”

He also asked the judge for 12 weeks’ time so he could secure Japanese samurai swords.

Of course he fucking did.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:25 (two weeks ago) link

broke, classist: making fun of Florida Man
funny, wholesome: making fun of sovereign citizens

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:29 (two weeks ago) link


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