"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

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What is a Freeman-on-the-land? Well, it isn't someone who remains outside the law. No-one is outside the law, so this is not a proposition for anarchy.

But - it all depends on what is meant by 'law'.

And that's the catch. What you have grown up to assume is 'the law' is not, in point of fact, the law.

That's The Grand Deception. Hitler was right: "If the lie is big enough, the People will fall for it".

Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know.

You will realise that, while you do not cause harm or loss to another, while you never breach the peace, and never employ any mischief in your promises & agreements, you SHOULD (by Rights) never, ever, end up in court - whatever else you may do. And that, if you do end up in Court, you can stand on your Rights to get any case withdrawn, BEFORE IT EVEN STARTS! Start reading, and take control of your life, because the real Truth can, indeed, set you free.

http://www.fmotl.com/

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:12 (seven years ago) link

i may have noted that i may have dealt with the hibernian version of these thuggish cunts professionally bytimes

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:14 (seven years ago) link

are they the millenial version of yerman who used to make CITIZEN'S ARRESTS only writ large due to internet societal cloggery

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:15 (seven years ago) link

woah i just watched that entire thing and it changed my life

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:17 (seven years ago) link

part conspiracy theory, part semi-literacy, part sad bastards with too much time on their hands

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:17 (seven years ago) link

"You will realise that, while you do not cause harm or loss to another, while you never breach the peace, and never employ any mischief in your promises & agreements, you SHOULD (by Rights) never, ever, end up in court "

Just tried to apply this axiom to whether or not it's ok for me to eat the ham and cheese sandwich I've prepared for myself on returning from the boozer, level of recursive thought involved in spangling my brain

Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:18 (seven years ago) link

woah i just watched that entire thing and it changed my life

― sleepingbag, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:17 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in a new york minute, everything can change

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:18 (seven years ago) link

What is Common Law?
It's the "law-of-the-land". And the Grand Deception starts when you do not realise the implications of the apparently insignificant word "land". And the very real difference between "the land" and "the sea". There is "law-of-the-sea". It's sometimes called Maritime Law. Or Admiralty Law, and so on. Other terms, meaning the same thing, are Civil Law, Commerce Law, Fleet Law, etc. Statutes are the "law-of-the-sea" and, if you committed the (apparent) violation on dry land, then you are only subject to the law-of-the-land. And the only "law-of-the-land" is Common Law. Statutes, passed by any Parliament, are the "law-of-the-sea"

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:19 (seven years ago) link

no joeks lads but the freemen of the land would soon get their arses felt if they ever tried any of their fast talk with the freemen of the sea

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (seven years ago) link

i'm a bit bemused as to why these dudes feel that having number plates on your car and buying a TV licence are the two greatest instances of state oppression in history

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (seven years ago) link

*is spangling my brain, xxpost to myself, ffs

Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (seven years ago) link

because one can be used to trace your parking tickets and you have to pay the other

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:20 (seven years ago) link

"Actually I'm very, very, rich. Because I have a lot of good friends - both local and cyber. And that's all I need, and will ever need."

This particular line of reasoning otm, refusing to read further for fear of spoiling it all

Windsor Davies, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:21 (seven years ago) link

some of the videos make it look like the police are being alerted to the existence of these eejits now

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

the first time i ever came across this phenofreemenon was regarding a parking ticket, dotty aul wan owned a crumbling mansion north roscommon way (great aul anglo/anglish country, that, all dotty as fuck) and she challenged me over the course of 15 scribbled pages to prove that she was a person and really there's nothing in the manual about that tbh

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:22 (seven years ago) link

obv when i made my move into the great new excitement of property taxes in 2012 i recognised their workings immediately

the best lark is the stickers that, affixed to any notification/demand of payment, LEGALLY RENDER THEM NULL AND VOID

these genius little beauties basically say "nothing to do with me guv"

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:24 (seven years ago) link

'Lawful' is what it is all about. 'Lawful' .vs. 'unlawful'. Do not get trapped into discussing 'legal'/'illegal'.

finest minds of our generation

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:24 (seven years ago) link

ime they're still a huge improvement on the cult that sign their names with a big angel graphic

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:25 (seven years ago) link

if i to guess which way the property developers went after the fall it's prob 30 legal route to freedom/40 freemen/30 angel cult

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:26 (seven years ago) link

16. "I feel 'guilty', because I owe the money". No, you don't owe a damn thing! When taking out the loan, you were 'loaned' back what was yours in the first place. You created the 'money' when you signed the Loan or Credit Application. By doing so, YOU gave THEM a Negotiable Instrument called 'the money'. They cashed this in(*), and then used that to loan you back your own money. You don't owe a damn thing! THEY owe YOU - an apology at the very least - for applying this confidence trick on you - AND FOR CHASING YOU FOR SOMETHING YOU ALREADY GAVE THEM.

(* Actually they just could have walked away with your cash. But they didn't, because they are greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy. They knew they could get you to pay everything back, and also to pay them INTEREST on top of that. Thus they had already been paid in full ONCE when they cashed in on your money, took a risk by offering it back to you, and reckoned on being paid TWICE OR EVEN MORE via the 'interest'. Are you just beginning to feel slightly less sympathetic? If not, I don't know what else to say.

"Can this really be true?" Answer: Yes, because there is no other way. Banks are not allowed (by LAW) to lend Depositor's money (which is held by them 'in trust'). Loan Companies and Credit Card Companies (etc.) have no Deposit Money in the first place! Do they? So how else could they do it, then?)

now i like to think of myself as a literate, tolerably intelligent bloke but

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:26 (seven years ago) link

by all means bring other comedy cults into the party, i was not aware of this angel stuff

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:27 (seven years ago) link

The FBI considers "sovereign citizen extremists" to be part of a domestic terrorist movement

cogent approach this imo

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:28 (seven years ago) link

Angry at you for sending me down a youtube rabbit hole when I really should be going to bed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdY6EYzhT2I

including 'weird men' who fancy the mermaids (soref), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:28 (seven years ago) link

suggest me a site i can draw a graphic online and post it and i'll show you- nothing coming up on google

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:29 (seven years ago) link

Elizabeth Watson, aka Elizabeth of the Watson Family, who came to public attention in 2011 as a self-styled legal adviser in the Victoria Haigh child custody case, was given a nine-month suspended sentence for contempt of court. She had written "no contract" on court documents, denied the lawful authority of the proceedings, and used the "of the ..... family" format when referring to Ms Haigh and herself. (The custody case had concerned false allegations that the child's father was a paedophile.)[3]
Mark Bond, aka Mark of the Family Bond, a Norfolk, England odd-job man, was arrested in 2010 for non-payment of council tax, despite handing police a "notice of intent" stating that he was no longer a UK citizen. He told police that the notice had already been delivered to the Queen and the prime minister. He told the local paper: "Today I asked the judge to walk into the court under common law and not commercial law. If I had entered under commercial law it would prove that I accepted its law. I was denied my rights to go in there." He was sentenced to three months custody, suspended on condition that he pay off the debt at £20 a week.[4]
Bobby Sludds, appeared in court in County Wexford in Ireland charged with various motoring offences including two counts of no insurance. Before the police began to give evidence, the accused handed in a letter stating he was not Mr Sludds but Bobby of the family Sludds and questioning the use of the word 'person' in the charge. He was given two suspended sentences and a fine of €670. (He had 24 previous convictions for motoring offences.)[5]
Wilfred Keith Thompson and two others were arrested by police in Guelph, Ontario (Canada), charged with break, enter and theft as well as firearms offences. Thompson had previously made headlines for informing City Hall, local police, Guelph MP Frank Valeriote, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other officials he is "an autonomous being not controlled by others". One of his co-defendants, Trevor “Red” De Block, refused to identify himself to the court, though it was said that his criminal mug shot, computer records, tattoos and other information confirmed his identity. "I object," De Block said, adding that he was not the "rightful owner" of his name, but refusing to clarify or participate in legal proceedings. "I don’t bow down to bail [sic] . . . to false gods," he said, and rejected assistance from the appointed lawyer. Thompson and De Block were denied bail.[6]
Dean Marshall, of Preston, East Riding of Yorkshire, England, was taken to court after he was found to be growing 26 cannabis plants in his garden shed. Claiming he was a Freeman on the Land and therefore not guilty, he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither were available to attend. A jury at Hull Crown Court dismissed his claims and convicted him of conspiracy to produce cannabis for which he was given a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid work. [7]
Doug Jones, of Pembroke Dock, Wales, spent 22 days in prison after refusing to take a breath test. Jones questioned the authority and jurisdiction of the court, asking to see the judge's 'Oath of Office' which resulted in a sentence of fourteen days for contempt of court. He was sentenced to a further seven days after failing to attend a second hearing, but pleaded guilty to the original charges, receiving an endorsement on his driving license. His interest in the Freemen on the Land movement started after watching documentaries on conspiracy theories surrounding the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings. His solicitor, Phillipa Ashworth, stated “On this occasion, in hindsight he appreciates it was not the time to test out philosophical theories behind this approach to life, and in hindsight it isn’t something he would do again.”[8]
Gavin Kaylhem, of Grimsby, England, wilfully refused to pay his council tax debts of £1,268.54 accrued between 2001 and 2008 and was sentenced to 30 days imprisonment. He had claimed that he was a "Freeman" and thus had no contractual duty under Common Law to pay. He refused to co-operate with magistrates' questions.[9]

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:30 (seven years ago) link

Oh yeah

ownership of the name

if we wrote out to these lads they sent us back in a charge of one pound of gold for use of their name, which they owned the rights to

great bunch of lads, tho. gave us many's the laugh, and never sent us dog shit or whatever

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:31 (seven years ago) link

Dennis Larry Meads of Edmonton, Alberta, stormed out of a Court of Queen's Bench hearing on June 8, 2012, related to his divorce and matrimonial property case. In response, Associate Chief Justice John D. Rooke wrote a lengthy and comprehensive 185-page judgment rejecting various freemen claims, grouping them with other pseudolegal arguments as "Organized Pseudolegal Commercial Arguments" (OPCA), specifically, in this case, Meads' Freeman on the Land claims, arguments and documents,[11] saying that:
The bluntly idiotic substance of Mr. Mead’s argument explains the unnecessarily complicated manner in which it was presented. OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used. Documents are often ornamented with many strange marking and seals. Litigants engage in peculiar, ritual‑like in court conduct. All these features appear necessary for gurus to market OPCA schemes to their often desperate, ill‑informed, mentally disturbed, or legally abusive customers. This is crucial to understand the non-substance of any OPCA concept or strategy. The story and process of a OPCA scheme is not intended to impress or convince the Courts, but rather to impress the guru’s customer.[10] [emphasis in original]

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (seven years ago) link

thats the stuff judge

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (seven years ago) link

i am sort of mildly amused by them but mostly they are too stupid and po-faced to be delightful

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (seven years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolphus_Allen_Family_Private_Trust

oh yeah i've dealt with these guys you'll want to read this

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:34 (seven years ago) link

that lad from Preston in East Yorks, i wonder if he is one of the guys in that first vid i posted which also comes from round our way

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:35 (seven years ago) link

i'm kind of amused how at some point (usually fairly early) in these shenanigans the police or court officials don't even bother explaining why the freeman is so wrong, they just bust out the handcuffs and violence inherent in the system

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:37 (seven years ago) link

soref on the money tho i shd save this nonsense for tomorrow

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:38 (seven years ago) link

tbf a powerful challenge to the very heart of the ruling system must be smacked down before the ring of truth be heard from every rooftop (repossessed)

30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:38 (seven years ago) link

If you think creating a Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right is the hard bit, then think again. You've only just begun, to quote a '60s song by The Carpenters.

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:55 (seven years ago) link

riddled with inaccuracies, like i thought

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 01:57 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLgnpb1XmW4

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:06 (seven years ago) link

I was looking at the youtube channel of one of these people he was on the crystal maze in the 90s, he has videos of him and his team in the pub with Richard O'Brien:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvSVKWwsInA

including 'weird men' who fancy the mermaids (soref), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:17 (seven years ago) link

Oh wow, he was on the team that only won one crystal! I remember this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LgOPl4the4

including 'weird men' who fancy the mermaids (soref), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:22 (seven years ago) link

http://www.awakeradio.co.uk/

lots of conspiracy stuff i find really boring but i love this sort of shit

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:22 (seven years ago) link

when i say "love it" i don't mean like "i love crazy anti-semites" just i am entertained

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:24 (seven years ago) link

I'm so excited that you have these people too! I thought it was an American peculiarity.

he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither were available to attend.

l. ol. ol. ol.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:25 (seven years ago) link

i didn't realise at first that they originated in the US, the legal mumbo jumbo sounds like it wd be very nation-specific, but then i found out of course internet quackery mutates quickly enough

i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 02:30 (seven years ago) link

I'm a U.S. criminal defense lawyer, and I represented one of these guys. It was a hoot. He simply refused to accept reality as it solidified around him. Nice enough fellow, but batty as all get out.

J, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:08 (seven years ago) link

From the OP:

Once you know the deception, and what the law actually is, you'll realise how the wool has been firmly and deliberately pulled over your eyes, your parent's eyes, and those of everyone you know.

Um, "everyone you know" is a pretty good definition of the society you live in, and coming up with a definition of "the law" that is at odds with the entire society you live in is as good a way as any to bring the judgment of that society down on your head. The law isn't some magic incantation known to the few, like Mephistopheles summoning the devil, and when you learn it you can command it to do your bidding.

Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:33 (seven years ago) link

Now see that's where you're wrong. All you have to do is refer to yourself in all caps and you can redeem your true self back from the government. That'll show 'em.

Tottenham Heelspur (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:45 (seven years ago) link

correction: Faust summoning Mephistopheles

Aimless, Wednesday, 27 November 2013 03:52 (seven years ago) link

maastricht zeeman morelike

imago, Thursday, 21 January 2021 17:29 (six months ago) link

They are fyi all true and not even as embellished as youd think tbh

Qanondorf (darraghmac), Thursday, 21 January 2021 17:34 (six months ago) link

Complaints by neighbors have included goats on the loose. Dogs on the run. Trash piles and junk vehicles. Flying a Confederate flag. Posting a threatening sign.

Yet trash still litters the lawn. The dogs still roam free. The junk vehicles haven't moved. Because the owner of the property, 32-year-old Brian M. Nelson, doesn't believe the law applies to him.

He's said so many times, according to police reports and court records.

JOHN REINAN/STAR TRIBUNE
Dead vehicles piled with trash fill Brian Nelson’s driveway in Elbow Lake.
When officers confronted him in June about trash in his yard, "he stated that this was his property and that he was not subjected to the city ordinances," a deputy wrote.

When deputies warned him in July about keeping goats, which aren't allowed in city limits, "Brian became belligerent about the city's ordinances," a report said.

When officials served him in August with a nuisance violation order for goats, weeds and dead vehicles, "he stated that he does not recognize the city's ordinances and that he would not be complying with this order," according to a court document.

After nine months of back-and-forth, local officials aren't sure what to do next. In December, the city went to court seeking an order declaring Nelson's property a public nuisance and allowing authorities to swoop in and clean it up.

https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-town-is-flummoxed-by-resident-who-claims-he-s-above-the-law/600016479/?refresh=true

global tetrahedron, Friday, 29 January 2021 17:39 (six months ago) link

ffs surely there's still napalm

the scamp has a thousand fries (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 January 2021 17:41 (six months ago) link

"Well gawrsh guys, he seems pretty insistent that the rules don't apply to him, so I guess we just give up."

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 January 2021 17:46 (six months ago) link

Nelson, who moved into the home less than two years ago, declined to be interviewed. His wife, Ritausha, said he didn't want to talk.

"He says he's not a man that wants a contact," she said.In September, a neighbor reported Nelson for burning brush in his yard. Days later, he put up a large sign written on a sheet of plywood that read, "Do Not Cry Wolf Lady."


what a peach

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 January 2021 04:34 (six months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/KzQlXVZ.png

pic.twitter.com/Afh2anOufH

— Bad Legal Takes (@BadLegalTakes) February 2, 2021

Shaidar Logoff (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 07:40 (six months ago) link

Long answer?

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 10:07 (six months ago) link

also no

Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 16:03 (six months ago) link

PREPLIMARY STATEMENT

mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:23 (six months ago) link

never, ever ask these ppl for 'the long answer'

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:35 (six months ago) link

Why is a sovereign citizen going into Whole Foods anyway? Can't he snare varmints or rustle cattle for his vittles?

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:40 (six months ago) link

i mean these lads believe in freedom except the freedom of shopkeepers to choose who they serve so i don't think we're looking at airtight logicians here

Scampi reggae party (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 19:59 (six months ago) link

PREPLIMARY STATEMENT

lol, hadn't spotted that!

kinder, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:12 (six months ago) link

four months pass...

https://i.imgur.com/Ytyb7Yv.jpg

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 28 June 2021 04:57 (one month ago) link

In Magical Incantations We Trust

What's It All About, Althea? (Aimless), Monday, 28 June 2021 05:15 (one month ago) link

Whose lands again?

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Monday, 28 June 2021 05:21 (one month ago) link

Don't know what this is all about, by they should receive some kind of prize for "iplimentatyion"

peace, man, Monday, 28 June 2021 10:42 (one month ago) link

This is my house and my house music, I am the creator!

Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 28 June 2021 13:46 (one month ago) link

Some speculated that the man responsible was Peter Hore, a renowned prankster known for his disruptive stunts, however some refuted the suggestion, saying the man appeared too young.

some refuted, but it's entirely possible that Peter Hoare has de-aged three or four decades in the last two decades, so let's print ludicrous tweets by randos as news.

"renowned prankster" is doing some extremely heavy lifting too

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 28 June 2021 14:20 (one month ago) link

ignorance of my devine lores is no excuse

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 28 June 2021 16:37 (one month ago) link

Bonus eyelet so you can wear it around your neck on a lanyard

Bnad, Monday, 28 June 2021 16:47 (one month ago) link

cant stop giggling at closing with "THANK YOU AND I LOVE YOU ALL", sounds like how God would end a conference call. "I MADE YOU IN MY OWN IMAGE AND I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BACK-TO-BACK WITH THIS ONE"

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 28 June 2021 16:59 (one month ago) link

INTERVIEW WITH RENOWNED DIPSHIT AT 8PM. ENJOY!!!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 29 June 2021 10:28 (one month ago) link

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/07/03/massachusetts-police-standoff/

Police in Wakefield, Mass., arrested 11 people Saturday after an hours-long standoff with a group of heavily armed men who fled into the woods near Interstate 95, sparking stay-at-home orders for nearby residents and a highway shutdown.

According to the Wakefield Police Department, several men, carrying rifles and handguns fled into the woods off the highway around 1:30 a.m., after refusing to comply with orders during a motor vehicle stop. The men claim to belong to a group that “does not recognize our laws,” police said.

Members of the group later said they were traveling from Rhode Island to Maine for “training.”

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Saturday, 3 July 2021 16:17 (one month ago) link

Is the quoted bit the entire article? It’s as far as I could get behind the paywall.

The Graun makes it sound like it all started because they ran out of gas:

The stand-off began around 2am when police noticed two cars pulled over on I-95 with hazard lights on after they apparently rqn out of fuel, authorities said at a press briefing.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:02 (one month ago) link

Actually I think they took it from AP? The article changed since I first read it though. Earlier it had a quote from the fuzz that sounded fairly sympathetic to the sovereign citizen perspective.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:05 (one month ago) link

They were Moorish sovereign citizens, a weird and fascinating subset of the general sovcit movement. Here's a really good Twitter thread with lots of stories about various incidents across the country:

What is a Moorish Sovereign, and why does it matter? A thread.

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) July 3, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:27 (one month ago) link

ahh ty for context

good stuff about that movement here:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/473653.Gone_to_Croatan

sleeve, Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:31 (one month ago) link

I have a copy of that book, it used to be rather hard to find for whatever reason. Some of what's in it is great...some other stuff, not so much.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Saturday, 3 July 2021 22:55 (one month ago) link

today’s incident happened in the town where i grew up like 5 mins from my parents house.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 3 July 2021 23:54 (one month ago) link

The context is appreciated yeah.

From Goodreads: “Recommends it for: people who don't think howard zinn goes far enough”

Hmm. Seems like Zinn was mainly focused on how systemic oppression was cooked into America’s pot from the beginning; I’m not getting that from the blurb for this book so much. It still looks interesting though.

Regarding the Moorish Sovereigns specifically though it looks like they position themselves at the intersection of the Montana Freemen and the Black Hebrew Israelites. Yikes. I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:28 (four weeks ago) link

I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

Yes. The long-ass Twitter thread I linked goes into that a little. The main dude was sentenced to 135 years in prison and is suing the US government for $2 billion from his cell.

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 4 July 2021 01:51 (four weeks ago) link

I'm surprised a judge would allow a suit like that to proceed, although the $2 billion is just a figure the guy pulled out of his ass and the real question is whether he has appropriate grounds for his filing. Given how whacko these freemen are, that seems... questionable.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 4 July 2021 02:23 (four weeks ago) link

Cheers unperson. (I did take a quick dive into that rabbit hole you linked but it seems I withdrew prematurely.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 04:19 (four weeks ago) link

viborg, there's some good stuff in there— Guillermo Gomez-Peña, Jack Forbes, Peter Linebaugh. I'd say it's about half crank and conspiracy stuff, and half legitimate radical scholarship.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Sunday, 4 July 2021 20:50 (four weeks ago) link

It didn't live up to my expectations, to be honest— at the time I ordered it, I was much more interested in learning about communes, intentional communities, hermetic individuals, and hobo types. But it has actually come in handy a few times.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Sunday, 4 July 2021 20:52 (four weeks ago) link

Were you thinking about taking up the hobo life? I’m not being dismissive, I’ve considered it as an option tbh. (We used to hop trains for fun as kids. I once got arrested for a particularly drunken episode involving me in my Mohawk hanging off a freight train, flipping off Southern small-town cops.)

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 22:22 (four weeks ago) link

I think I could definitely do alright as a hermit.

But yeah I’d pick up the book if I saw it available somewhere, idk if I’m going to go out of my way to read it, cheers.

I am a bit more interested in some actual sequels to Zinn’s work that I saw mentioned in ILBooks.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Sunday, 4 July 2021 22:25 (four weeks ago) link

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

viborg, I did live the hobo life for a while. I even was a caretaker for this place in the winter of 2015-2016.

A lot of my written work, in one way or another, explores the possibility of dropping out of society, or the way those inhabiting "the third landscape" live— I've lived off-grid, in squats, on land projects, and in a truck, the latter for several years.

I highly recommend the Dunbar-Ortiz, "Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States." It's the base text for a lot of indigenous studies and literature classes— the prose is fluid, angry, and harrowing.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Monday, 5 July 2021 13:34 (four weeks ago) link

(I should say that my hobo days are probably behind me, I have a mortgage and nearly died two years ago, but I plan on riding trains again at some point, if only for a crew change or two)

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Monday, 5 July 2021 13:35 (four weeks ago) link

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:29 PM (yesterday)

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Drew_Ali

rob, Monday, 5 July 2021 15:56 (four weeks ago) link

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Thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely add it to my wanted list. Your experiences sound very cool, hope I get a chance to check out some of your writing!

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 6 July 2021 06:11 (four weeks ago) link

Jan 6 defendant Pauline Bauer made a motion to have her case dismissed.

It's worth a look ==> pic.twitter.com/FTifSc9hR4

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 16, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 05:22 (two weeks ago) link

wow

i need to save this for the next time i want to get out of jury duty

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 05:32 (two weeks ago) link

right wingin', bitter clingin', proud clinger

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 05:51 (two weeks ago) link

saw some kind of moorish "license plate" on a truck this morning, did a pretty good job of looking vaguely official.

circles, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 04:39 (six days ago) link

one thing i have always enjoyed about sovereign citizens is that they employ all kinds of made up arguments why the law doesn't apply to their vessel but use actual laws (wrongly) in service of those arguments. i mean why bother? how could brady v. maryland have existed if maryland didn't have jurisdiction over brady?

criminally negligible (harbl), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 15:26 (six days ago) link


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