US Politics April 2019 Thread: 'I find that pretty hard to believe'

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this is it, this is the month trump will be deposed and normal life will resume again

mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 1 April 2019 13:40 (seven months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2019 14:04 (seven months ago) link

Bitter resignation, on both politics and popular entertainment fronts.

Kardashev scale sex tape (Sanpaku), Monday, 1 April 2019 15:52 (seven months ago) link

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steven, soda jerk (sic), Monday, 1 April 2019 16:12 (seven months ago) link

You and me both, brother.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:21 (seven months ago) link

I wondered why Merrick Garland was trending on Twitter this morning.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:22 (seven months ago) link

It's time for McConnell's organic composition to stop obstructing the will of the Grim Reaper.

A man of surgery, to remove the metal pellets from my flesh (Old Lunch), Monday, 1 April 2019 19:30 (seven months ago) link

@ Alfred

Tucker Carlson: “Chris Hayes is what every man would be” if feminists had absolute power https://t.co/62lOieLxIw

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) April 2, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 2 April 2019 03:44 (seven months ago) link

FOX News hosts have started creating commentary using MadLibs? I guess this has been coming for a long time - and now here it is at last.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 03:56 (seven months ago) link

I guess that was a joke, but why should we care about anything Tucker Carlson has to say, fuck him

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:05 (seven months ago) link

ah yes hyper-masculine he-man... Tucker Carlson

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:23 (seven months ago) link

We shouldn't, but he is an effective propagandist with a huge platform. He should be used

anvil, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:24 (seven months ago) link

...as a rug.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 04:39 (seven months ago) link

Tucker Carlson is what every man would be if ...

Fungus could talk?
They were grown in vats?
All children were hated by their mothers?

His face is a diaper rash

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:17 (seven months ago) link

in a decent society mcconnell would be put up against a wall and [redacted]

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 05:22 (seven months ago) link

I guess that was a joke, but why should we care about anything Tucker Carlson has to say, fuck him

its not

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:12 (seven months ago) link

Well, it is but only inasmuch as it was an agglomeration of words that came out of the face hole of Tucker Carlson.

He's not even trying anymore.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:19 (seven months ago) link

I know he claims to have given up drinking more than a decade ago, but nothing he says nor his choice of face lotions suggests he doesn't pour a fifth of bourbon in his coffee every hour.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:24 (seven months ago) link

In that rant, absolute feminism leads to needing eyeglasses?

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:25 (seven months ago) link

Low-T is worse than a carotene deficiency wrt man vision.

I just had to review Tuck Carlson's history. His mother ran off to France when he was 6 to be free. This all makes sense now. At least he's not a serial killer. Probably because his daddy remarried rich.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:29 (seven months ago) link

Women who don't actively want children, should not have children and should be free to make that decision. Otherwise, you get Tucker Carlsons and serial killers.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:32 (seven months ago) link

But you repeat yourself.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:36 (seven months ago) link

I don't think we can say with 100% certainty that there isn't some overlap between those two categories.

xpost ha

"Their mother, Lisa McNear Carlson, left the family when he was six. “Totally bizarre situation—which I never talk about, because it was actually not really part of my life at all,” Carlson told The New Yorker in 2017.""

Sure, Tuck.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 13:39 (seven months ago) link

Tucker's mom otm

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:02 (seven months ago) link

tucker’s not crying, YOU’RE crying

mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:09 (seven months ago) link

Twitter has apparently alerted me to Chris Hayes' considerable MSNBC-watching mom lust.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:18 (seven months ago) link

I’m ok with everyone being Chris Hayes. pic.twitter.com/kLCeHy5FqG

— chalin (@chalin) April 2, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:19 (seven months ago) link

I like Chris Hayes. I've never seen his show, but I enjoy his podcast and Twitter presence.

jaymc, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 14:54 (seven months ago) link

twitter presence by Chris Hayes is my favorite cologne

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:00 (seven months ago) link

yea Chris Hayes is very good, probably the only nightly news show I'd actually watch

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:04 (seven months ago) link

even the dirtbag left seems to like him.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:09 (seven months ago) link

he looks like he smells nice

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:11 (seven months ago) link

on a more serious note, he was the only person with a national TV platform to devote a segment to Puerto Rico last night

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 15:12 (seven months ago) link

“We’re letting people have a week to say, ‘Investigate the investigators!’ Take the victory lap, everyone agrees. Spike the football,” the first senior White House official said. “But then we need to put this behind us. Let’s not relive this. Let’s not drag Andrew McCabe in front of a panel or something that goes on forever.” The senior official said this view was widely held inside the White House.

For this to be successful, the president — who is, after all, still reliving the events of the 2016 Republican primary and general election, a tale more than three years old at this point — would need to seal himself off in a cocoon and emerge another man.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/trump-aides-fear-he-is-overselling-his-exoneration.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 18:49 (seven months ago) link

Trump just said "my father is German, was German. Born in a very wonderful place in Germany." Fred Trump was born in New York. pic.twitter.com/U6eWYPzjrJ

— Tommy MMXIXtopher (@tommyxtopher) April 2, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:31 (seven months ago) link

I mean, this guy spearheaded the Birther movement... just amazing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:35 (seven months ago) link

Trump accidentally revealing that he's the illegitimate son of an actual, historical Nazi afaict

he'll just say that he meant to say grandfather, which is true, if he even bothers to say anything about it at all

gbx, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:51 (seven months ago) link

He never misspeaks though.

LEOPLOD BLOOMPS (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:53 (seven months ago) link

Something fishy about this trump guy

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:57 (seven months ago) link

Trumpito muttering "oranges" every time he's trying to say "origins" just makes me a little more hopeful his Vito Corleone end is nigh.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:05 (seven months ago) link

lol

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:06 (seven months ago) link

Trump is like if Fredo made his way to the top.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:27 (seven months ago) link

evol, I assume you're suggesting that if Trump were to pull the old 'orange rind in the mouth' routine to scare one his grandchildren, he would immediately drop dead from the shock of suddenly coming into physical contact with fruit for the first time in his life.

Secret Service agents arrested a woman at President Trump’s Florida resort this past weekend after she was found carrying two Chinese passports and a thumb drive with malicious software on it, according to court documents.

Prosecutors allege the woman, Yujing Zhang, first approached a Mar-a-Lago security checkpoint on Saturday shortly after noon and told security officials she was there to go to the swimming pool.

“Zhang was asked if the true member . . . was her father, but she did not give a definitive answer,” according to the criminal complaint filed by Secret Service special agent Samuel Ivanovich. “Zhang additionally did not give a definitive answer when asked if she was there to meet with anyone. Due to a potential language barrier issue, Mar-a-Lago believed her to be the relative of member Zhang and allowed her access onto the property.”

Once inside the grounds, Zhang was approached by a receptionist and asked why she was there.

“After being asked several times, Zhang finally responded that she was there for a United Nations Chinese American Association event later in the evening,” the complaint said. “The Receptionist knew this event did not exist” but when the agent, Ivanovich, followed up with further questions, Zhang allegedly said she had arrived early for the event so she could “familiarize herself with the property and take pictures.”

At that point, Zhang presented documentation that she said was her invitation to the event, but it was in Chinese and the agent could not read it.

Agents then took Zhang to a different location to interview her, at which point she became “verbally aggressive,” according to the charging document.

“During the second interview of Zhang, she claimed her Chinese friend ‘Charles’ told her to travel from Shanghai, China to Palm Beach, Florida, to attend this event and attempt to speak with a member of the President’s family about Chinese and American foreign economic relations. Agents were unable to obtain any information more specifically identifying Zhang’s purported contact, ‘Charles’,” the complaint said.

Zhang also told the agents that she had never claimed she was going to the pool.

After Zhang was stopped and questioned, a search of her belongings turned up four cell phones, a laptop, a hard drive, and a thumb drive which contained “malicious malware,” according to the criminal complaint. Authorities said that despite her initial claim to be headed for the pool, she was not carrying a swimsuit.

She is charged with making false statements to a federal law enforcement officer and entering a restricted area.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:24 (seven months ago) link

Forget it, Jake

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:41 (seven months ago) link

I know, I know, *NO COLLUSION* but somehow a Secret Service agent assigned to Mar-a-Lago has the last name Ivanovich.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 22:59 (seven months ago) link

They actually released a photo of Ivanovich:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/2/20/Boris_Badenov.png/revision/latest?cb=20180811204159

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:50 (seven months ago) link

Trump is like if Fredo made his way to the top.

Trump to Roy Cohn: "I'm SMAHT, Roy!!"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:51 (seven months ago) link

Here's video of Trump talking about wind mills at the NRCC dinner tonight: "They say the noise causes cancer.” pic.twitter.com/tpsmZI8k7n

— Brandon Wall (@Walldo) April 3, 2019

"Someone's going to leak this whole damn speech to the media," Trump tells NRCC in a speech that is being broadcast live by C-SPAN.

— John Fritze (@jfritze) April 3, 2019

the mental decay really seems to be setting in

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 02:59 (seven months ago) link

An April Fool everyday...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 03:02 (seven months ago) link

he's definitely not worthy of any comparison to don quixote

Dan S, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 03:05 (seven months ago) link

Take out the "xote" tho and it's about right

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 03:11 (seven months ago) link

p sure he was just going for a joke there, w/r/t noise and cancer thing

gbx, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 03:22 (seven months ago) link

he doesn't know how jokes work

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 03:34 (seven months ago) link

the whole oranges/origins thing was really demented

Dan S, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 03:58 (seven months ago) link

I find it pretty troubling on top of everything else

Wow -- Trump repeatedly mangles the word "origins," on three separate occasions saying "oranges" instead. 😳 pic.twitter.com/EZggYhIAO7

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 2, 2019

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 04:00 (seven months ago) link

why is chicago too cool to vote in november like the rest of us

mookieproof, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 04:36 (seven months ago) link

i gotta say, when the chinese send their agents to mar-a-lago, they're not sending their best

mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 08:36 (seven months ago) link

xpost Yesterday was a run-off election. Now, why the actual election was in February ... I don't know.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 11:37 (seven months ago) link

We (Madison, I) had some really good local election results, but this is a bummer, no official word yet on whether or not a recount is happening:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-wisconsin-supreme-court-election-20190402-story.html

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:05 (seven months ago) link

To repeat my usual refrain: She's less conservative than many of her colleagues but more partisan than nearly all of them. https://t.co/Ny6RNoxIfr

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) April 2, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:33 (seven months ago) link

Today, the House formally/finally requested tax returns, the unredacted Mueller report, and 10-years worth fo records from Trump’s New York-based accounting firm. Not bad for a (looks at calendar) Wednesday.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:21 (seven months ago) link

Which means we should be seeing them in (checks calendar again) a million years.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:23 (seven months ago) link

this is it, this is the month trump will be deposed and normal life will resume again

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:23 (seven months ago) link

What if I told you the former is far more likely than the latter?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:26 (seven months ago) link

uhhh when has life been normal -- January 1993?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:30 (seven months ago) link

Interestingly there's been little to no bump in Trump's polls since the Barr summary was released.

Probably cos the cake is baked for most voters in that regard

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 23:44 (seven months ago) link

It may not get worse for him when the report starts appearing but it seems unlikely to get better

it would appear the boat has sprung a leak https://t.co/b5GfG2ZwDd

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) April 3, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 23:56 (seven months ago) link

"You continue to mistake me for someone who gives much of a shit about politics!”

— Nate Silver to the Cabalist, March 21, 2013 https://t.co/eonRMVmbUc

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) April 3, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:16 (seven months ago) link

O sicc burn

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:20 (seven months ago) link

I remember going to the Verizon Center for a Rangers-Caps playoff game a few years ago and very demonstrably cheering for the Rangers and nobody even give me side-eye about it, was kind of pathetic.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 3, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:46 (seven months ago) link

good evening

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:49 (seven months ago) link

So there's a conspiracy theory that there's no conspiracy to supress the Mueller report. So why not let the people it was written to see have a look at the thing.
It's about halved in length from what was first related about actual length hasn't it. Nagler was told less than 1000 pages on his first enquiry. Now heating 400.

Stevolende, Thursday, 4 April 2019 07:08 (seven months ago) link

Now hearing.
Surprised one would round 400 up to 1000 if one was trying to diminish the report's importance.

Stevolende, Thursday, 4 April 2019 07:26 (seven months ago) link

🚨: I’ve obtained new footage of Mitch McConnell standing up for America. pic.twitter.com/PZTGBGOrjt

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) April 3, 2019

I am message board pro and respond when talked to (stevie), Thursday, 4 April 2019 09:53 (seven months ago) link

lmao, amazing

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 April 2019 10:01 (seven months ago) link

Break America's Gait, Again

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2019 11:51 (seven months ago) link

I can understand having some redactions to the Mueller report. Signals intelligence provided some evidence, which provides adversaries clues to NSA capabilities.

But I see no reason for Justice to do the redactions. Have the NSA do a standard FOIA blackmark job.

Kardashev scale sex tape (Sanpaku), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:34 (seven months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:38 (seven months ago) link

The house judiciary committee should get an unredscted one at least. They have security clearances.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:40 (seven months ago) link

is it just me or did the Republicans go from unanimous support for releasing the whole report to being dead set against it in the span of like, a week

frogbs, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:40 (seven months ago) link

I read a theory that mueller makes a case for obstruction addressed to Congress in the report. Barr misrepresented it by saying mueller left the determination to *him*. Obviously, in a literal sense it was up to the AG whether to prosecute, but mueller would not have recommended indicting a sittig president anyway. He laid out both sides of the case for congress to make a determination about impeachment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:43 (seven months ago) link

Then why wouldn't Mueller correct the Barr driven narrative?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:44 (seven months ago) link

The entire Mueller team, if not Mueller himself, is now free to say whatever they want to whoever they want on the record, right? Classified stuff excepted?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:45 (seven months ago) link

Didn’t some people from the special counsel’s office just talk to the new york times saying the barr report was misleading?

Barr mentions there is a part of the report that lays out both sides of the case to prosecute obstruction. He just says that part was for him rather than congress to review. Which doesn’t really make sense. Impeachment is a congressional process and that is how “high crimes and misdemeanors” of presidents are adjudicated.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:48 (seven months ago) link

Even in the barr report it says there is a case against trump thats presented—and that theoretically could be prosecuted—just that mueller isn’t recommending it. Seems weird

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:49 (seven months ago) link

Mueller's silence speaks volumes but liberals really really don't wanna hear it, man some of y'all are really grasping at straws here

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:50 (seven months ago) link

as Alfred has repeatedly noted, the remedy is political not legal

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:51 (seven months ago) link

Which is why Congress will get it/see it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:51 (seven months ago) link

Unless Barr decides to redact everything that could impugn a oerson who isn’t going to be prosecuted....

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:52 (seven months ago) link

Even in the barr report it says there is a case against trump thats presented—and that theoretically could be prosecuted—just that mueller isn’t recommending it. Seems weird

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:49 AM

There is no Barr Report! It's a letter.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:53 (seven months ago) link

The mueller team said they have created summaries that redact all national security things—but barr wasn’t satisifed with just redacting that

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:53 (seven months ago) link

no offense, but this is the trap into which the media fell early last week (and, to my surprise, have mostly crawled out of).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:54 (seven months ago) link

Fine. The Barr flash fiction

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:54 (seven months ago) link

Better.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:54 (seven months ago) link

The question I keep asking myself is: why hasn't Mueller arrested Trump yet and locked him in the makeshift jail cell he built in his back yard? Why waste all that time learning how to use an oxyacetylene torch if you're never even going to make a caged ape of the standing president?

as Alfred has repeatedly noted, the remedy is political not legal

― Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:51 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

these are not mutually exclusive, though! Exposing the administration's transgressions by legal avenues can have huge political impact.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:26 (seven months ago) link

Agreed.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:30 (seven months ago) link

at the very least it give whatever 2020 candidate a bunch of talking points to go after him with if they are so inclined

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:35 (seven months ago) link

and acetylene torches for everyone

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:36 (seven months ago) link

Exposing the administration's transgressions by legal avenues can have huge political impact.

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII)

good point and I agree, just tired of people acting like there's some hidden smoking gun in there

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2019 15:46 (seven months ago) link

I wasn’t saying that. I was saying mueller did not clear trump of obstruction of justice—by barr’s admission—but the trump people are acting like he did. So it would be good for congress at least to see what it actually says.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:06 (seven months ago) link

Also robert mueller is in one of my facebook group chats Iand he told me his report includes footage of trump drowning kittens.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:10 (seven months ago) link

ok lol

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:19 (seven months ago) link

finally the real smoking gun

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:19 (seven months ago) link

GOP: "We prefer puppies."

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:24 (seven months ago) link

I was saying mueller did not clear trump of obstruction of justice—by barr’s admission—but the trump people are acting like he did.

don't forget every major news network and paper

frogbs, Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:38 (seven months ago) link

You gotta boil it down to quick soundbites to Drive Engagement

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:40 (seven months ago) link

Risk for Dems here is that the public narrative has already been formed and they look like sore losers in keeping the story going. https://t.co/W2HVGIRcWM

— Katty Kay (@KattyKayBBC) April 4, 2019

lol but guess there's no risk for the Repubs of looking like lying bootlickers jfc

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:50 (seven months ago) link

I still don't get the logic behind Mueller publicly disputing the Barr memo if it was wrong.

Dude knows he will be asked to testify and if he's going to speak up, that's when he'd do it. His team is already doing it.

They seem to be merely saying the severity of the report was downplayed w/r/t obstruction and I'm all for seeing what it really said.

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:51 (seven months ago) link

Xpost it's the whole "yea but the Republicans are supposed to be bad people, but Democrats like to brag about how woke and moral they are so this is a major scandal for them!" Bullshit

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:53 (seven months ago) link

Dems maybe should take a page from the GOP and stop thinking about risk at all

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 4 April 2019 16:58 (seven months ago) link

F. Hazel otm.

I don't know anything about Mueller's past life as FBI Director but is there anything to suggest he's not just an institutions-humping Boy Scout like Comey?

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:09 (seven months ago) link

In which case he’d hate trump, a porn star humping vulgarian who rode a populist wave denouncing the “deep state”

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:10 (seven months ago) link

Risk for Dems here is that the public narrative has already been formed and they look like sore losers in keeping the story going.

additional risk for dems is that if they wait 2 years for the mueller report to come out, while the president obstructs justice in plain view literally MILLIONS OF TIMES, and then appoints an attorney general who is only there because he wrote a memo saying that the president can't obstruct justice, and then does everything he can to delay the mueller report and mitigate the damage, and then Democrats decide to let the whole thing go because they're afraid that Fox News will call them whiners and a bunch of dipshits on the left don't want to talk about the report anymore because they're mad at other people on the left, then that is the dumbest and most cowardly thing in the entire world and the risk factor is therefore 10/10

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:13 (seven months ago) link

^

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:15 (seven months ago) link

The report needs to come out, come what may. Fussing about optics is annoying. It’s not like anyone decent is any good at that anyway.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:16 (seven months ago) link

km otm

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:37 (seven months ago) link

^

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:38 (seven months ago) link

y'all can safely ignore Kitty Kat or whatever her name is from the BBC. She's one of the worst mouthpieces of conventional wisdom on the planet.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:39 (seven months ago) link

like how fucking dumb would it be to have a 2 yr investigation, all along waiting on the lead investigator's final report on it, and then when it's done just allow a Trump stooge to "summarize" it, "nothing to see here, folks", and then move on because of "optics" or some bullshit

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:41 (seven months ago) link

lol I googled kitty kat bbc to find that tweet

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:41 (seven months ago) link

I don't remember anyone saying stuff like that when Rs re-investigated BENGHAZI over and over because they refused to accept that Hilary wasn't culpable. And this isn't even a 2nd investigation...just y'know, release the actual report from the initial investigation!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:44 (seven months ago) link

mueller did not clear trump of obstruction of justice

as Pareene and the Chapos (and Karl Malone) said, Yam did it on TV.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:53 (seven months ago) link

https://youtu.be/-gS907809p8

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:55 (seven months ago) link

i veer between that and:

https://youtu.be/Ec0clERjQ5A

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:58 (seven months ago) link

lol

WELCOME BACK JOE! pic.twitter.com/b2NbBSX3sx

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 4, 2019

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 4 April 2019 17:59 (seven months ago) link

game recognise game

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:00 (seven months ago) link

The difference is trump is fine with people knowing he is a sexual predator.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:01 (seven months ago) link

He doesn’t care. I thought “not caring” lost its power/aura in middle school but

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:02 (seven months ago) link

A fine use of Executive Time if you ask me.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:02 (seven months ago) link

False. Our president doesn’t play games.

WASHINGTON — President Trump on Thursday said he plans to give Mexico a “one-year warning” before closing the southern border, retreating on a threat he made last week that he would close the border this week if Mexico didn’t halt all illegal immigration.
“The only thing, frankly, better and less drastic than closing the border is tariff the cars coming in, and I will do it,” Mr. Trump said, speaking to reporters after a meeting with the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council. “I don’t play games.”

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:03 (seven months ago) link

xps

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:03 (seven months ago) link

I can't wait for my father-in-law to repost this dank-ass meme on Facebook along with something like "HILARIOUS!" or "NAILED HIM!"

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:04 (seven months ago) link

hey if your party could attack Kerry for the swift boat stuff whilst nominating a dude who went AWOL, & still win the election...

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:05 (seven months ago) link

and at noon there will fall a hush upon the harbor
and they'll ask "who's to die?"
and then you'll hear me order firmly:
ALL

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:06 (seven months ago) link

Tariff cars coming in FROM AMERICAN AUTOMAKERS.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 April 2019 18:58 (seven months ago) link

so Herman Cain is bound for the Fed, they say

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:02 (seven months ago) link

bound in Godfathers pizza crust pieces

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:03 (seven months ago) link

at the risk of sounding a bit racist, I've completely mixed up all the dumb ass things Herman Cain has done and said with all the dumb ass things Ben Carson has done and said.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:16 (seven months ago) link

It never fails to amaze me just how many GOP'ers who'd otherwise been laughed out of the party Two-Scoops has welcomed back with open arms.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:17 (seven months ago) link

in fairness, it's not Trump's fault that Steve King wasn't been laughed out of the party a long long time ago.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:18 (seven months ago) link

I think you could veer on the side of safety by asserting, correctly, that many republicans are profoundly ignorant and make public statements like they have some sort of traumatic brain injury.

Cain is really into the number 7, btw.

Tom Delay's waiting by the phone Donnie!

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 4 April 2019 19:21 (seven months ago) link

Oops, I meant to say Cain was really into the number 9. Who's the racist now.

Risk for Dems here is that the public narrative has already been formed and they look like sore losers in keeping the story going. https://t.co/W2HVGIRcWM
— Katty Kay (@KattyKayBBC) April 4, 2019

I hate this take so much. Is there really even a single voter out there thinking "man, I think Trump is alright, but if he colluded, I'm out"?? Takes like this seem to forget that Trump is also embroiled in a dozen other scandals, he was just implicated in a felony a couple weeks ago, he's acted extremely guilty the whole time and nearly everything he does turns out to be fraudulent. If he's innocent, so what. There's so much else. And vice-versa, if he's guilty, so what, just one more piece of shit for the right to swallow. Are we really acting like Trump wouldn't accept a quid-pro-quo if he was offered one, or wouldn't try to set one up himself if his brains weren't constantly trying to escape through his ears?

Secondly (as mentioned here), the Republicans literally won a presidential election thanks to years of BENGHAZI! and EMAILS! and, by the way, I don't seem to remember the fawning NYT headline "HILLARY CLINTON EXONERATED OF ALL EMAIL CRIMES". And of course this is nothing like either of those, how braindead do you have to be to just accept a 4-page summary of a 300-page report written quickly by Trump's hand-picked stooge and think, "wow, that's enough for me!!", as though Trump didn't clearly admit to obstruction of justice on live television (and then 100 more times on Twitter), as though Trump's son didn't *literally* leak an email where he tried to set up a quid pro quo but was too stupid to actually pull it off. Did the Barr thing swing the polls at *all*???

frogbs, Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:27 (seven months ago) link

mueller has proven that he surrounded himself with criminals. his lawyer was a criminal. his campaign manager. etc. this isn't hard

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 21:49 (seven months ago) link

I never understood why mueller hired a campaign manager, but I was especially shocked when he proved that he was a criminal. But hey he’s probably playing the long game

Karl Malone, Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:32 (seven months ago) link

i can see now that my subconscious avoidance of using trump's name has its downsides in the ol' comprehensibility department

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 4 April 2019 22:50 (seven months ago) link

lol

Dan S, Thursday, 4 April 2019 23:23 (seven months ago) link

as though Trump didn't clearly admit to obstruction of justice on live television (and then 100 more times on Twitter), as though Trump's son didn't *literally* leak an email where he tried to set up a quid pro quo but was too stupid to actually pull it off.

way too much smoke everywhere from actual, enormous gun that is smoking to locate “smoking gun”

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 5 April 2019 00:00 (seven months ago) link

I heard a very core bland resistance-style discussion on kushner, so hmm i doubt uncited sourcing, but i dunno he seems v v v bad not good.

Who has done reliable work on kushner, sauds, qatar and netanyahu? because the allegations were super involved, and seemed way unlikely given what i take for trust levels in that ME space. like actual trump shit, it seems impossible to get away with.

Hunt3r, Friday, 5 April 2019 22:43 (seven months ago) link

Enjoyed teh Trumpcast on Kushner taht I listened to this afternoon. Came out over the last couple of days i think.
ties in with the book Kushner inc which i'll probably now discover means it isn't worth it .
But interview sounded good at the time. & Kushner sounds like a total scumbag who should have never been allowed anywhere near the Whitehouse. & Ivanka sonds like they're a finely matched couple.

Stevolende, Friday, 5 April 2019 22:47 (seven months ago) link

Kushner should fall face first into a woodchipper on national TV.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 5 April 2019 22:52 (seven months ago) link

Stevende that is what i heard but when the starting props are “we BOTH worked for tina brown who taught us all about ACCESS,” i’m, uh

Hunt3r, Friday, 5 April 2019 22:56 (seven months ago) link

Have the feeling I’ve seen some real bad takes on twitter from one of the Trumpcast people but I’m inclined to believe awful things about Kushner.

JoeStork, Friday, 5 April 2019 23:08 (seven months ago) link

So Neal is the one the Dems are sending into the fire to bring back the evidence of tax evasion

calstars, Friday, 5 April 2019 23:17 (seven months ago) link

Have the feeling I’ve seen some real bad takes on twitter from one of the Trumpcast people but I’m inclined to believe awful things about Kushner.

― JoeStork, Friday, April 5, 2019 4:08 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just beyond awful centrist ninnies. quick look at heffernan's tweets sees her call joe biden "a nice guy" a week ago but worry that he might "do something stupid and promote putin"

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 23:22 (seven months ago) link

Hefferman is a loon.

Simon H., Friday, 5 April 2019 23:23 (seven months ago) link

Possibly it's just prudish centrists—formerly "Americans"—who think any of l'Affaire Russe is a disgrace.

I'm with them, but I definitely see the fun of the lefty thing; I'm just too old for a romance with Russia and a rebel inversion of American values & common sense.

— Virginia Heffernan (@page88) March 31, 2019

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 April 2019 23:23 (seven months ago) link

jesus

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 6 April 2019 00:16 (seven months ago) link

https://news.yahoo.com/why-im-a-creationist-141907217.html

j., Saturday, 6 April 2019 01:16 (seven months ago) link

^ Reading that does not inspire my confidence in Heffernan's ability to think through complex ideas.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 6 April 2019 01:32 (seven months ago) link

Wow that was a waste of bandwidth.

DJI, Saturday, 6 April 2019 02:25 (seven months ago) link

whoa that is awful. my question remains as to legit summaries of kushner. the person she interviewed was ward, the author of the recent book, ahe seemed credible but ay the company you keep...

Hunt3r, Saturday, 6 April 2019 03:04 (seven months ago) link

Kirstjen Nielsen quits.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen submitted her resignation to President Donald Trump Sunday night, in an unexpected move that appears related to the president’s ongoing rage over the number of Central American families and asylum-seekers coming into the United States.

Kevin McAleenan, the head of Customs and Border Protection, will serve as acting DHS secretary. It’s not yet clear whether Trump will formally nominate a successor to Nielsen in the near future.

Nielsen, the sixth head of the Department of Homeland Security and Trump’s second appointee (she was confirmed in December 2017 after mentor John Kelly left to become White House chief of staff), has arguably been the most aggressive secretary in the department’s short history in cracking down on immigration — with her legacy likely to be defined among progressives by the “zero tolerance” prosecution policy of late spring and early summer 2018 that resulted in the separation of thousands of families at the US/Mexico border.

None of it appears to have been enough for Donald Trump.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 7 April 2019 23:23 (seven months ago) link

Seems timed to coincide with T. torpedoing his own ICE head nominee to go "in a tougher direction."

Okay, Don, good luck finding the reanimated Vlad the Impaler who would be tough enough to signal manliness to your base.

Gunther Gleiben (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 April 2019 01:06 (seven months ago) link

Was reading in Washington Post that 45 said he relies on Stephen Miller for all immigration matters. Miller was reportedly unhappy with Nielsen and the Ice Director nominee.

curmudgeon, Monday, 8 April 2019 03:33 (seven months ago) link

Seems like whoever it is that runs against him in 2020 needs to focus some of their campaign reaching out past Trump and putting advisors/appointees like Miller/DeVos/Bolton on blast.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 April 2019 03:49 (seven months ago) link

looking out for the little guy

New: Trump overtime pay rule will cost workers $1.2 billion a year in wages they would have made under a more expansive Obama proposal stalled in court, @EconomicPolicy says. https://t.co/DeeQApFCot

— Chris Opfer (@ChrisOpfer) April 8, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 8 April 2019 13:45 (seven months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:09 (seven months ago) link

well, yeah

Hi. The president wants to shoot people at the border. pic.twitter.com/nV6ZLjr9GA

— Cody Johnston (@drmistercody) April 7, 2019

TV presenter and animal lover, Matt Baker (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:39 (seven months ago) link

Well, not JUST at the border, tbf.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Monday, 8 April 2019 14:55 (seven months ago) link

BREAKING: President Trump fires director of Secret Servicehttps://t.co/EocncAVWhY

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) April 8, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 8 April 2019 17:42 (seven months ago) link

Hmm, that seems odd, esp. for a guy that never fires anyone.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 17:48 (seven months ago) link

should never have caught that Chinese lady, there’s your big mistake

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:50 (seven months ago) link

he should fire the whole secret service

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:52 (seven months ago) link

so basically Stephen Miller is just running the entire government by himself now, right?

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:52 (seven months ago) link

xp During a parade, from the backseat of a convertible

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:53 (seven months ago) link

xp j kush is co-running it with him

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:54 (seven months ago) link

buddy comedy with kush and miller but it's only funny because they die painfully.

ian, Monday, 8 April 2019 17:55 (seven months ago) link

Hmm, that seems odd, esp. for a guy that never fires anyone.

Don't worry, he didn't this time either.

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:48 (seven months ago) link

when guys named "Tex" get fired, it's a paradigm shift

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:52 (seven months ago) link

presumably this is because "tex" blamed the maralago security stuff on ... maralago

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:04 (seven months ago) link

The statement said: “The Secret Service does not determine who is invited or welcome at Mar-a-Lago; this is the responsibility of the host entity. The Mar-a-Lago club management determines which members and guests are granted access to the property. This access does not afford an individual proximity to the President or other Secret Service protectees.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:05 (seven months ago) link

lolmg

So the Secret Service stuck Zhang's thumbdrive into their computer. https://t.co/0T6LAfOtEl pic.twitter.com/RSfUgw4I4n

— Chris Wysopal (@WeldPond) April 8, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:33 (seven months ago) link

"I wonder what would happen if..."

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:35 (seven months ago) link

hahahahahahaha ok sounds like he maybe deserved to be fired

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:41 (seven months ago) link

wow

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:45 (seven months ago) link

Trump gonna hire the Best Buy Geek Squad to handle all the cyber.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:47 (seven months ago) link

BARRON

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:48 (seven months ago) link

Forgot about Barron. Where's he at?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:50 (seven months ago) link

he's in training to be an adult trump

basically they have him cordoned off, and they ask him what he wants every 2 minutes and then give it to him, and if he doesn't respond with "i have been treated so unfairly" they slap him

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 April 2019 19:55 (seven months ago) link

That was fast, Trump just hired new head Secret Service guy:

https://hotcorn-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/05/02104734/ToLiveDieLA_S819483_007-758x501.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 19:57 (seven months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3qC0e3WwAExeY8.jpg:large

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 8 April 2019 20:20 (seven months ago) link

i gotta say, when the chinese send their agents to mar-a-lago, they're not sending their best

― mr greta t. gremlin (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 08:36 (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink


looks like the agent the chinese sent was a good match for the mission after all i guess

TV presenter and animal lover, Matt Baker (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 8 April 2019 20:22 (seven months ago) link

What’s the big deal? If the judge give me you trouble than you just sue, settle the lawsuit and then send a crony to physically threaten whoever opposed you

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 April 2019 20:23 (seven months ago) link

Prosecutors said they found multiple electronic devices in the Mar-a-Lago intruder’s hotel room including a signal detector that can detect hidden cameras, another cell phone, 9 USB drives and 5 sim cards. Zhang has no ties--no residential, personal - in the US, per prosecutors.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2019 22:07 (seven months ago) link

just an obvious spy, spyin about things

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 8 April 2019 22:28 (seven months ago) link

they found a certificate of achievement for the completion of online courses at "Spy School"

Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 8 April 2019 22:53 (seven months ago) link

Once they found this in her hotel room, the jig was up:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91QM26KJqzL._SX425_.jpg

DJI, Monday, 8 April 2019 23:42 (seven months ago) link

Seems a bit obvious to be a spy, and also a stage beyond the bumbling idiocy that's made up the useful idiot class recently.
Seems to be willing to do something intelligence like but not have the faintest idea how to.
Or was bumbling supposed to be enough of a cover.

Stevolende, Monday, 8 April 2019 23:47 (seven months ago) link

How, of all the evil assholes in the Trump administration, has Stephen Miller managed to hang around the longest? Is it just because he never goes out in public?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 00:10 (seven months ago) link

stephen miller has been hanging around for centuries, in belfries, attics, the branches of dead trees

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 00:22 (seven months ago) link

strange fruit

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 00:40 (seven months ago) link

everything is going to be just fine

https://youtu.be/lcMydq6vGW8?t=75

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 00:57 (seven months ago) link

https://youtu.be/tP8LysGrO1c

Simon H., Tuesday, 9 April 2019 01:01 (seven months ago) link

I heard that Kirsten Nielsen had gone but not that trump was now going back and doubling down on the family separation policy that I had hoped was a thing of the past.
Just extrapolating, but is he believing his own stooge dervied press where a suppressed report and a refusal to hand over tax returns have meant that he truly is exonerated. Really hoping that pride comes before a fall but that's true of the last 2 years with him.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 09:32 (seven months ago) link

Point also being that exoneration meant universal support or any and all restrictions to what he wanted done removed.
So headspace must be even closer to megalomania.
Not that he was healthy before but seems like he's totally flipped now.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 09:52 (seven months ago) link

Just extrapolating, but is he believing Stephen Miller? Yes.

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 10:31 (seven months ago) link

this is not as huge as things generally discussed here, but still pretty fucked

New: Congress is about to *make it illegal* for the government to offer free online tax filing. Thank TurboTax. https://t.co/r2PuLM9lML

— Justin Elliott (@JustinElliott) April 9, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 9 April 2019 14:22 (seven months ago) link

infuriating

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 14:29 (seven months ago) link

goodness this Barr is an arrogant prick

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 16:17 (seven months ago) link

good guy kris kobach is finally getting his reward

NEW: Kris Kobach said Tuesday he is eager to become @realDonaldTrump's Homeland Security secretary & confirmed he's been in communication w/ White House. https://t.co/YHtvFgj0CD @dcexaminer

— David M. Drucker (@DavidMDrucker) April 9, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:01 (seven months ago) link

Or...or...he could crawl into a cave and die

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:02 (seven months ago) link

seems like the right guy to head up new dismemberment and child-eating programs

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:15 (seven months ago) link

he already knows how to break laws, which is practically written into the job description

j., Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:35 (seven months ago) link

I hope Stephen Miller has an aneurysm

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2019 23:56 (seven months ago) link

Wait, you guys cant lodge your tax returns online via a govt website? That should be the ONLY way you can do it! Geesh they force everyone onto the fucking "eGov" website in this country.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 01:04 (seven months ago) link

Idiot behaves idiotically.

This piece has the tone of something that would have run in the Washington Post in the early 90s when they were all about pointing out what rubes the Clintons were.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 10:43 (seven months ago) link

And despite his criticisms, Trump found something to like at Mount Vernon, too. Among the artifacts preserved there is the bed where Washington passed away from a throat infection in 1799. Trump, who is infamously picky about where he sleeps and resists spending nights away from home, felt out the bedpost and told the Macrons and Bradburn that he approved, according to three people briefed on the event.

"A good bed to die in,” Trump said.

don't let us stop you buddy, go right ahead

sexual consent... on the blockchain (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 10:51 (seven months ago) link

That piece reads like a parody.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 11:44 (seven months ago) link

xxp idgi, this doesn't highlight his taste or provincialism, it goes after his stupidity and incuriosity

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 11:52 (seven months ago) link

caught a minute of a pod talking about how the dismissal of nielsen means by statute the deputy is the new director, the admin didnt plan for that and announced the “new director,” leaving nielsen’s final act to be dismissal of her backup. Dunno if that’s how it’ll play out or be styled.

Meanwhile everyone’s walking around like it’s a fucking commercial, i hate these days.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:07 (seven months ago) link

Heard that re Nielsen. & the person went onto joke about the person she fired having to fire somebody as she herself left.

Also hearing that the idea of leaving every official position being filled by an acting official may be as much tactic as mistake.
& it all meaning there would be less actual resistance to any policy trump tried to introduce.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:21 (seven months ago) link

“I don’t know whether Bob Mueller supported my conclusion” on obstruction, Barr says.

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) April 10, 2019

boy the media really nailed it with their "TRUMP FOUND INNOCENT OF ALL WRONGDOING" headlines

frogbs, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:41 (seven months ago) link

Poor Mueller. The only guy who read his 400 page manuscript didn't really understand it.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 15:44 (seven months ago) link

"A Good Bed to Die In" has to be next thread title

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:32 (seven months ago) link

"I am concerned about it," Barr says of spying on the Trump campaign in 2016. "There might be abuses that don't rise to the level of a crime."

He declined to explain the basis for his concern about spying in 2016.

— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) April 10, 2019

This Barr seems a traet

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 16:33 (seven months ago) link

I am reluctantly coming to think that the only way for Dems to win is to get their own WWE-style candidate with about five talking points repeated ad naseum, together with plenty of the bombast and name calling. There is so much noise these days, I am not sure the principled reasoned candidate.

Someone talk me off the ledge, please.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:39 (seven months ago) link

*can win*

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:40 (seven months ago) link

I am reluctantly coming to think that the only way for Dems to win is to get their own WWE-style candidate with about five talking points repeated ad naseum, together with plenty of the bombast and name calling

Bernie has been pretty popular for years

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:42 (seven months ago) link

(I'm all for Warren switching her policy messaging to "EAT THE RICH. EAT THE RICH." if it will mean she wins)

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 17:43 (seven months ago) link

I think the repubs tried and true “cut taxes/less government” is such a concise message for low information voters to rally around over anything the dems can offer.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:08 (seven months ago) link

funny how Republicans sell their own "less government" message by being absolute shit at it every time they get power

its like a 12 year old intentionally doing a poor job mowing the lawn so he doesn't get asked to do it anymore

frogbs, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:10 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, for the majority of voters “cut taxes/less government” is much more viscerally appealing than "liberty and justice for all".

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:12 (seven months ago) link

more like "access to liberty and justice for those who are willing to work hard and play by the rules"

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:16 (seven months ago) link

caught a minute of a pod talking about how the dismissal of nielsen means by statute the deputy is the new director, the admin didnt plan for that and announced the “new director,” leaving nielsen’s final act to be dismissal of her backup. Dunno if that’s how it’ll play out or be styled.

The deputy resigned yesterday.

jaymc, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:18 (seven months ago) link

Lucky for us the security apparatus doesn’t need a “head” to function :O)

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:36 (seven months ago) link

Bernie has been pretty popular for years

― blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:42 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(I'm all for Warren switching her policy messaging to "EAT THE RICH. EAT THE RICH." if it will mean she wins)

― blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:43 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These two posts were almost exactly what I had in mind. Like maybe Dems just need to stop being adults and start slinging mud like the rest of the children.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 18:45 (seven months ago) link

why though? like are these fucking imbeciles just going to be like ok i like libruls now

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:17 (seven months ago) link

This my cynicism speaking, but maybe because taking the high(er) road isn't doing us a whole lot of fucking good either?

I mean, I don't want the Dems to dive into the mud pool either, but I'm in one of my periodic "nothing matters anyway" moods. It's just exhausting hoping something might one day be even marginally less terrible.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 19:40 (seven months ago) link

why though? like are these fucking imbeciles just going to be like ok i like libruls now

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, April 10, 2019 3:17 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Probably not, but maybe these imbeciles would be like ok I hate rich people, which might be a start.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:52 (seven months ago) link

lol they think they are going to be the rich people as soon as they hit that lotto

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:58 (seven months ago) link

President Trump is moving to dismantle the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), The Washington Post reported Wednesday.

love to hear what tombot thinks of this

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 20:59 (seven months ago) link

lol they think they are going to be the rich people as soon as they hit that lotto

the message of socialism needs to be "everyone can have the same financial security as a one-million-aire" not "Bernie isn't a hypocrite for writing a book"

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 21:24 (seven months ago) link

sic OTMFM!

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 10 April 2019 23:54 (seven months ago) link

Question :

If Hilary stood against Trump.

Would the people who voted for her, go "nah, I'll vote trump this time"?

Probably very few. So, the implication is there would be more switching the other way.

Then again, would people say "ah, I don't think I'll bother voting this time"?

Mark G, Thursday, 11 April 2019 06:19 (seven months ago) link

So, the

how on earth is one even faintly implied by the other

also how is this question useful after 29 months of litigating this issue daily in these threads

blokes you can't rust (sic), Thursday, 11 April 2019 07:24 (seven months ago) link

might be just the break in the case we need

j., Thursday, 11 April 2019 07:40 (seven months ago) link

If Barr is back to exploring the 9dea of spying on the 2016 Trump campaign is he far from launching a further investigation into Hilary Clinton.
& that after like half the trump cabinet has been outed conducting official business on private communication devices.

Stevolende, Thursday, 11 April 2019 08:54 (seven months ago) link

Trump knows what's in the Mueller report. His sudden push to control the IRS and investigate the FBI may be his way of helping Barr justify the censorship of the report that the attorney general is going to let the senate judiciary committee see. Another normal day.

skronktopia (FlopsyDuck), Thursday, 11 April 2019 10:17 (seven months ago) link

Would it be empowering for Trump/counterintuitive for the dems to begin a discussion of what to do in the even of Trump losing in 2020 but refusing to relinquish the WH?

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Thursday, 11 April 2019 10:59 (seven months ago) link

I’m aghast that the NY Post would use this photo — the moment of death of hundreds of my fellow NYers — to score a cheap political point.

This is beyond grotesque. It’s shameful. pic.twitter.com/dxrIEWC62B

— Dan Lavoie (@djlavoie) April 11, 2019

so these motherfuckers are just trying to get this woman killed ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:17 (seven months ago) link

Ugh.

NYPost, I don't expect them to be careful with anything, the fuckers. But I do wish she was a little more careful with her words, given that she's a right-wing target now and this seems to happen ... monthly? Bi-weekly?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:35 (seven months ago) link

ho-lee shiit

frogbs, Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:37 (seven months ago) link

Some People Did Something and We Tortured Some Folks--pretty much sums it all up

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:39 (seven months ago) link

I'm sorry Josh but that's a bullshit take. her comments were grossly taken out of context.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:42 (seven months ago) link

yeah this is the Homer Simpson "sweet sweet can" thing in real life

frogbs, Thursday, 11 April 2019 13:45 (seven months ago) link

I read her original comments and get and agree with what she was saying. I just meant, literally, she should be more careful, because often it's not what she is saying but how she says it that gets her in hot water. Take AOC (who is not a fair comparison, but still). The stuff she says is generally at worst mildly provocative, which is why the right has to twist her words to make her look bad. Omar, though, seemingly lacks her savvy, which is why her stuff is so easily cherry picked to seem more inflammatory or controversial than it may actually be. imo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:10 (seven months ago) link

so their strategy is working , just get her to shut the fuck up and know her place

I say fuck that shit , they are going to do this no matter what

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:13 (seven months ago) link

yeah, I don't even think the uproar is about the point she was making, but rather the kind of distanced, bloodlessness of that phrase. It's not like the context really changes that.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:15 (seven months ago) link

xp yes double down on everything, there's nothing to lose imo

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:15 (seven months ago) link

xpost I don't think she should shut up at all! She can say the same stuff, with the same righteous anger, just choose her words more carefully. Or maybe it doesn't matter anymore, so she can say whatever, however she wants. She does say "raise hell, make people uncomfortable." I just don't want her to get hurt.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:17 (seven months ago) link

in the very least she should continue to be herself i don't want her second guessing what she says based on making these racists uncomfortable with a muslim american woman speaking on her perspective regarding these issues. I want to hear her voice whether i decide to agree with here or not. xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:20 (seven months ago) link

right, it's not that people on the left should just always be slash-and-burn with the way they talk and stop giving a fuck about how their words are received, but they should absolutely not give a fuck when the pushback is coming almost exclusively from people who are so clearly giving them a bad-faith reading.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:48 (seven months ago) link

I see what you're saying but lets face it, this is the first Muslim Congresswoman, they'd treat her this way even if she was mute

frogbs, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:57 (seven months ago) link

xpost Which AOC is a master of responding to, and Omar ... not yet.

I don't know, I hate Trump, he enrages me, and rare is the day I don't wish he would just shut up. He def. doesn't give a fuck about critics, but I wish he did.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 14:59 (seven months ago) link

I honestly think the only way out of this is gonna be government intervention, force Spotify/Apple Music/whatever to share more of their revenue and issue grants the way Canada (??) does

probably not gonna happen though I guess if you get Kid Rock and the Nuge behind it it'll have a shot

frogbs, Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:03 (seven months ago) link

Take it to the politics thread.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:03 (seven months ago) link

Just saw that Trump's sister resigned as a judge to avoid facing consequences for her family tax tomfoolery.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:04 (seven months ago) link

there are no Trump judges (now)

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:06 (seven months ago) link

right, it's not that people on the left should just always be slash-and-burn with the way they talk and stop giving a fuck about how their words are received, but they should absolutely not give a fuck when the pushback is coming almost exclusively from people who are so clearly giving them a bad-faith reading.

I think the first part is now correct. The left should always be slash and burn with the way they talk and stop giving a fuck how their words are received. Why not?

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:07 (seven months ago) link

Some people did something = May 2019 thread title candidate.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:08 (seven months ago) link

I yearn for the days when nobody did anything.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:08 (seven months ago) link

So I wrote a thing

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:13 (seven months ago) link

The New York Times reports:

President Trump’s top aides considered an idea to pressure immigration agencies to release apprehended migrants into so-called sanctuary cities represented by Democratic lawmakers, according to several people familiar with the proposal.

The idea was floated in an email by a top White House policy adviser in November, when Mr. Trump was furiously condemning migrant caravans from Central America headed toward the southwestern border, the people, including two government officials, said.

In the email dated Nov. 16, with the subject line “Sanctuary City Proposal,” May Davis, the deputy White House policy coordinator, raised the idea with officials from the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 April 2019 11:28 (seven months ago) link

It's almost as if it was never even a little bit about securing the border. WEIRD!

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Friday, 12 April 2019 12:38 (seven months ago) link

ABC News reports:

Herman Cain is expected to withdraw his name from consideration for the Federal Reserve’s Board of Governors, amid growing pressure from Republican senators on the White House to remove him from consideration, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 April 2019 13:46 (seven months ago) link

weird to find myself faintly nostalgic for the days when herman cain was a presidential hopeful but here we are i guess

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 12 April 2019 13:49 (seven months ago) link

A fourth Republican Senator says no on Herman Cain. Now we know the GOP does have its limits: don’t fuck too much with the Federal Reserve. One clown, Stephen Moore, seems to be enough.

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) April 11, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 April 2019 13:50 (seven months ago) link

good news, I'll take it

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 12 April 2019 14:00 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5JFkPxWqDQ

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Friday, 12 April 2019 14:18 (seven months ago) link

Good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 April 2019 14:23 (seven months ago) link

or.... is it?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 12 April 2019 17:47 (seven months ago) link

Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2019

....The Radical Left always seems to have an Open Borders, Open Arms policy – so this should make them very happy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 12, 2019

bring it on bitch

frogbs, Friday, 12 April 2019 17:50 (seven months ago) link

No one has trolled this hard since the Democrats made all the drugs free in Drug-Free Zones

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 12 April 2019 17:53 (seven months ago) link

given that the White House is operating off the principle that all illegal immigrants are murderers, how else are we supposed to take this but Trump trying to create a body count in states that are disloyal to him

frogbs, Friday, 12 April 2019 17:59 (seven months ago) link

"you asked for it dems! we're gonna bring in illegal immigrants and give them homes, and jobs, and an eventual path to citizenship."

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Friday, 12 April 2019 18:06 (seven months ago) link

that'll teach em

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 12 April 2019 18:07 (seven months ago) link

i don't understand how the Fake News got this one right

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 April 2019 18:10 (seven months ago) link

if they were clever i would expect this as a front for the actual operation, which would be to dump immigrants in sanctuary cities and then withhold emergency funding requests on state or federal levels so that there are, naturally, frictions from accommodating people suddenly in numbers, so that local discontent is stirred up and there are nice optics for the media

j., Friday, 12 April 2019 18:20 (seven months ago) link

.@RepKatiePorter challenged big bank CEO Jamie Dimon to pay his workers a living wage by literally showing him the math pic.twitter.com/Sr7S8Agv5c

— NowThis (@nowthisnews) April 11, 2019

previously known for this:

The top official responsible for educating and protecting consumers should be able to define an APR correctly. Spoiler alert: @CFPBDirector can’t. My offer to send her a textbook I wrote on this still stands, if she wants to learn on the job. pic.twitter.com/ybWl6BD8ur

— Rep. Katie Porter (@RepKatiePorter) March 10, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 12 April 2019 19:09 (seven months ago) link

she is the best

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 12 April 2019 19:53 (seven months ago) link

NBC News reports:

A man riding a scooter set his jacket on fire in front of the White House Friday afternoon, sources said. The U.S. Secret Service and D.C. Fire and EMS went to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW just after 2:45 p.m.

The Secret Service put the fire out and provided aid to the man. A suspicious package was found near the man. D.C. Fire medics were treating the man, who is in Secret Service custody. His condition was not immediately known.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 April 2019 21:12 (seven months ago) link

what's the condition of the jacket?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 12 April 2019 21:21 (seven months ago) link

that information is for members only

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Friday, 12 April 2019 23:09 (seven months ago) link

President Trump last week privately urged Kevin McAleenan, the border enforcement official he was about to name as acting secretary of homeland security, to close the southwestern border to migrants despite having just said publicly that he was delaying a decision on the step for a year, according to three people briefed about the conversation.
It was not clear what Mr. Trump meant by his request or his additional comment to Mr. McAleenan that he would pardon him if he encountered any legal problems as a result of taking the action.


Ugh, get this fucker out of office, make it stop

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 April 2019 23:39 (seven months ago) link

So basically he must have urged Nielsen to do it, fired her, then immediately urged her replacement to do it.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 12 April 2019 23:41 (seven months ago) link

This presidency is the world's longest 'Pull My Finger' joke...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 April 2019 23:44 (seven months ago) link

Just out: The USA has the absolute legal right to have apprehended illegal immigrants transferred to Sanctuary Cities. We hereby demand that they be taken care of at the highest level, especially by the State of California, which is well known or its poor management & high taxes!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 14, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 April 2019 12:24 (seven months ago) link

I heard it pointed out that Sanctuary cities had become Sanctuary Cities largely because they were the main destinations that people tended to aim for once they had managed to get into the US. So tactic seems to be a bit pointless in making sure taht was where they were sent.
Also that migrants had the freedom of movement once they had arrived in the US so they weren't forced to stay where they were put.

Stevolende, Sunday, 14 April 2019 13:10 (seven months ago) link

we hereby demand

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 14 April 2019 13:24 (seven months ago) link

From the generally power-worshipping Axios:

President Trump is embracing increasingly extreme immigration ideas, in part because he is furious at his inability to get instant border results through executive fiat, top officials tell Axios.

Why it matters: Trump is drawn to maximalist, click-your-fingers ideas that can be legally dubious or outright illegal.

What's happening: After reporters uncovered a heated internal administration debate, Trump tweeted: "Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities." "Sanctuary cities" shield migrants, limiting cooperation with deportation.

Be smart: This is not a plan. It's a Trump desire — and wishing it to happen won’t make it so.

Between the lines:

Reflecting Trump's behind-the-scenes rage, a senior White House official said: "This was one of the more unsurprising tweets ever."

The senior White House official acknowledged: "It's not going to happen because ICE [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] can't do it. They don't have the cash and they can't ask for federal funds to do that."

...

The bottom line: Immigration lawyers tell Axios that in addition to there not being funds for this, there would be huge liabilities if anyone got hurt while being transferred.

Also, Trump would be essentially giving immigrants a free ride to places many of them would prefer to be anyway.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 14 April 2019 13:34 (seven months ago) link

l'etat c'est moron

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 14 April 2019 13:35 (seven months ago) link

Is all of this real? I just woke up.

wtf

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 April 2019 13:48 (seven months ago) link

Think about when you were six and got mad at your folks and threatened to run away, and remember how six-year-old you eventually grasped some nascent conception of the potential consequences of following through on your threat and begrudgingly remained with the family who refused to let you stay up past your bedtime. Our president lacks that capacity, and he's mad at his folks all the goddamn time.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:09 (seven months ago) link

it's weird how often he slips into cosplay

this time he's cosplaying a tv legal guru (tv - "just in: ", legal guru - "absolute legal right, "hereby")

basically he misses Jeanine Pirro

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:14 (seven months ago) link

I don't even know where he is on the lawful/neutral/chaotic - good/neutral/evil scale anymore :(

StanM, Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:15 (seven months ago) link

he is chaotic evil, and he was born that way

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:16 (seven months ago) link

otm

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:19 (seven months ago) link

.@presssec Sarah Sanders tells Fox News’ Chris Wallace “frankly, Chris, I don’t think Congress — particularly not this group of congressmen and women — are smart enough to look through the thousands of pages that I would assume that President Trump’s taxes will be.”

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) April 14, 2019

Sarah Huckabee: BA in Comms/PoliSci from Ouachita Baptist University, currently ranked #171 in National Liberal Arts Colleges by U.S. News & World Report.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 14 April 2019 16:23 (seven months ago) link

I don't know about 'born' but, like his own children, he was incubated in such a stew of chaotic evil that the deck was stacked against his turning out any other way.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Sunday, 14 April 2019 16:26 (seven months ago) link

everyone in the white house is 5 years old

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 14 April 2019 16:30 (seven months ago) link

xp as high as #171?

suzy, Sunday, 14 April 2019 17:27 (seven months ago) link

tbf, she didn't say she would be either.

nickn, Sunday, 14 April 2019 17:48 (seven months ago) link

we’re all born chaotic evil.

beard papa, Monday, 15 April 2019 04:01 (seven months ago) link

What's going on with Rosenstein. is he simply a turncoat or has he been operating from unexpected motivation from the start.

Stevolende, Monday, 15 April 2019 11:25 (seven months ago) link

dunno about him but this is when i start to imagine the copilots and flight crew are trying to arrange the most “survivable” jumbo jet crash they can, which has made for some weird positioning.

then i remember occam, and i’m back to just, “these ppl are some assholes.”

Hunt3r, Monday, 15 April 2019 13:26 (seven months ago) link

.@IlhanMN’s office has seen “off the charts” increase in death threats since Trump’s tweet; she already was receiving about one a day

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) April 15, 2019

sure am glad the Dems spent a whole week being angry with her for suggesting AIPAC had a lot of influence in US Politics

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2019 14:17 (seven months ago) link

cool

Before Nancy, who has lost all control of Congress and is getting nothing done, decides to defend her leader, Rep. Omar, she should look at the anti-Semitic, anti-Israel and ungrateful U.S. HATE statements Omar has made. She is out of control, except for her control of Nancy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 15, 2019

can't quite parse what you're trying to say here though, maybe delete and try again

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2019 14:18 (seven months ago) link

uh

THEY SPIED ON MY CAMPAIGN (We will never forget)!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 15, 2019

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2019 14:25 (seven months ago) link

this is why there is no political downside at all for pelosi to stand up for omar--trump is gonna use omar as a brush to attack her anyway. but i guess the donor is king

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:25 (seven months ago) link

xp

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:25 (seven months ago) link

hmmm idk did you consult David Frum before you came up with that take

Simon H., Monday, 15 April 2019 14:27 (seven months ago) link

"They Spied On My Campaign (We Will Never Forget)"

jmm, Monday, 15 April 2019 14:30 (seven months ago) link

hmmm idk did you consult David Frum before you came up with that take

― Simon H., Monday, April 15, 2019 9:27 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i only subscribe to frum's newsletter for the recipes

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:34 (seven months ago) link

since leaving the Bush administration Frum likes craft beer iirc

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:35 (seven months ago) link

If it’s any day of the week and any time of day, @ewarren has a new policy rollout https://t.co/qkyKwkbFnx

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 15, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 15 April 2019 14:42 (seven months ago) link

The Atlantic reports:

At the meals in the small dining room off the Oval Office, Trump keeps a big-screen TV tuned to cable news. Aides who have walked in have seen Trump yelling at the TV as he sits with Pence and their deputies over plates of chicken and cheeseburgers.

When he sees something on the screen that he dislikes, Trump on occasion will interrupt the lunch and summon aides to discuss a response, people familiar with the lunches said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/04/how-key-aides-have-survived-trump-white-house/587038/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 April 2019 15:08 (seven months ago) link

oh cool. another one of those articles.

beard papa, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:12 (seven months ago) link

this one is more like "Pence is real-life Mr Smithers" sandwiched between brief profiles of Miller and Conway, not that I'm suggesting you read it

rob, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:40 (seven months ago) link

Mueller Report comin' Thursday

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:03 (seven months ago) link

[redacted] [redacted] coming Thursday

to halve and half not (voodoo chili), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:20 (seven months ago) link

It's gonna be one long black stripe

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:21 (seven months ago) link

trump's dumps was a good song

Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:34 (seven months ago) link

https://i.redd.it/ydl1kr65ad221.jpg

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:35 (seven months ago) link

Really wish a team of carpenters would wait for Trump to take his daily trump then build walls around the bathroom, sealing him in the walls forever

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:37 (seven months ago) link

Remember when this happened?

http://thebullelephant.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/dons-johns-tape.jpg

Pretty much set the stage for the subsequent few years.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

trump's dumps was a good song

― Fictitious Business Name: (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, April 15, 2019 11:34 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump's dumps are the messengers of your doom and your destruction

Oold Lunch (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 April 2019 16:44 (seven months ago) link

Is that a lyric?

Evan, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:33 (seven months ago) link

Spoke to @TigerWoods to congratulate him on the great victory he had in yesterday’s @TheMasters, & to inform him that because of his incredible Success & Comeback in Sports (Golf) and, more importantly, LIFE, I will be presenting him with the PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 15, 2019

Very Cool Tiger, Thank You!

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2019 18:20 (seven months ago) link

From one serial adulterer to another.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:13 (seven months ago) link

Sports (Golf)

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:15 (seven months ago) link

can't see that mattering a fig but of course causing a sufficient ruckus in New Hampshire will at least be good for a funny news cycle

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 15 April 2019 22:16 (seven months ago) link

get a load of all these fuckin berniebros, smdh

Bret Baier just polled the Bernie Town Hall audience who would be willing to switch to #MedicareForAll. It backfired spectacularly. pic.twitter.com/dQJ9gfQ137

— jordan (@JordanUhl) April 15, 2019

arli$$ and bible black (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 09:29 (seven months ago) link

in case there was any doubt

REPORTER: Congresswoman Omar says your video led to direct threats on her life. Any second thoughts?

TRUMP: "No, not at all." pic.twitter.com/wiSNptg0F3

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 16, 2019

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 14:53 (seven months ago) link

Don’t ask yes/no questions. https://t.co/HHd7LxPbs0

— Soledad O'Brien (@soledadobrien) April 16, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:24 (seven months ago) link

Got to wonder what other kinds of creepy deals like this are happening out there.

https://www.wuky.org/post/formerly-blacklisted-russian-company-invest-kentucky-mill

earlnash, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 02:05 (seven months ago) link

“This resolution is an unnecessary, dangerous attempt to weaken my constitutional authorities, endangering the lives of American citizens and brave service members, both today and in the future,” Mr. Trump said in his veto message.

https://nyti.ms/2v7UNfo

lovely

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 02:12 (seven months ago) link

I fucking hate this man with all my heart. I have never hated anyone more.
Almost not worth saying, and yet....

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 02:45 (seven months ago) link

endangering the lives of service members by...pulling them out of warzones

voodoo chili, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 03:02 (seven months ago) link

I'm sure he enjoys your hate. It doesn't hurt him. The only way to hurt him is to deprive him of power as much as possible, fund his opposition, stand in his way, and to help him lose the next election. He hates losing.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 04:01 (seven months ago) link

There's a very interesting take on the costs to the person attempting to smuggle themselves across the Southern border by the guy who is the alternative presenter on Trumpcast from a couple of days back.
Apparently people tend to borrow so much to get across that they get into a spiral of debt meaning they need to get into the US to earn money to repay. & being sent back just means getting further and further in when one has already sold up everything valuable and had to come up with collateral.
He was saying that climate change has prevented reliability of crop growth as income source. So even if one hasn't hocked or sold off land one can't be sure crop will be sellable. So likely that one is returning to next to nothing.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 07:26 (seven months ago) link

pareene’s mcconnell piece is great

https://newrepublic.com/article/153275/mitch-mcconnell-profile-nihilist-chief

maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 13:53 (seven months ago) link

It is!

Speaking of nihilsm:

I believe it will be Crazy Bernie Sanders vs. Sleepy Joe Biden as the two finalists to run against maybe the best Economy in the history of our Country (and MANY other great things)! I look forward to facing whoever it may be. May God Rest Their Soul!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 17, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:16 (seven months ago) link

Trump clearly ripping off letters serial killers send to the police now

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:18 (seven months ago) link

yes, surely nothing bad can happen to the economy between now and election 2020

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:20 (seven months ago) link

my personal economy is p bad

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:30 (seven months ago) link

jelly baby

Many Trump Fans & Signs were outside of the @FoxNews Studio last night in the now thriving (Thank you President Trump) Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, for the interview with Crazy Bernie Sanders. Big complaints about not being let in-stuffed with Bernie supporters. What’s with @FoxNews?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 17, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:32 (seven months ago) link

yeah this was in today’s morning media... “we”

BERNIE SANDERS' APPEARANCE before Fox News viewers on Monday night drew more than 2.5 million viewers, making it the most-watched town hall of the election season. But one dedicated Fox News viewer wasn't pleased.

- "So weird to watch Crazy Bernie on @FoxNews," President Donald Trump tweeted on Tuesday morning. Trump continued tweeting about the town hall more than 10 hours later, suggesting last night that his supporters were left out and the audience was "stuffed with Bernie supporters."

- In addition to the Sanders gripes, Trump also tweeted how its "very strange" that "now we have" Democrat Donna Brazile, who recently joined Fox News as a contributor. Trump's use of "we" didn't go unnoticed. "The we here by the way refers to Fox News, not the Trump administration," tweeted BBC anchor Katty Kay.

- Trump may expect those appearing on Fox News to praise him and blast the Democrats - and there are plenty of hosts and guests who routinely do that, especially in early morning and primetime. Sanders, unsurprisingly, was critical of Trump, as other 2020 Democratic contenders would likely be if they accept invites to town halls on the president's favorite network.

maura, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:33 (seven months ago) link

damn fake friends, smdh

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:35 (seven months ago) link

I changed my mind, going on Fox seems to drive up Trump's heart rate so it's Good, Actually

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:37 (seven months ago) link

they should do 3 hours w/ Bernie and Bill Weld w/ Conway's husband moderating, Yam's head will explode like Scanners

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:39 (seven months ago) link

It's kind of amazing that Trump is still occasionally able to elicit a baffled WTF from me. 'May God Rest Their Soul!'?!?!? Whether he has no actual idea of what he's saying or whether he knows exactly what he's saying, I find myself deeply troubled (which, tbf, is pretty much par for the course these days).

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:40 (seven months ago) link

I'm again led to wonder if Scooter Murdoch taking the reins at Fox News means that they'll maybe only be going like 95% ham instead of the full 110%.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 14:41 (seven months ago) link

"We come from a broken family, we are a little unsettled. Sometimes you spend the weekend with divorced dad. That feels like fun but then you get sick. That is what America is going through. We are living with divorced dad."

Dear Michelle Obama, from a divorced dad who lives with his kids, very sincerely go fuck yourself

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 16:50 (seven months ago) link

Liberal Americs's Most Beloved Bullshitter

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 17:57 (seven months ago) link

Eight years of living in a mansion with servants, a retinue of bodyguards, your kids in private school, a private jet, and hobnobbing with the rich and famous can impose a reality distortion field on anyone.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:04 (seven months ago) link

#notalldivorceddadsbutdefinitelyminetbh

ian, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:09 (seven months ago) link

I suspect she would have modulated her message somewhat had she not been speaking extemporaneously, perhaps specifying that she meant the type of divorced dad that, say, Tiffany Trump is familiar with.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 18:46 (seven months ago) link

lol

Rep. Andy Barr invited AOC to come meet coal miners in his district mad that the Green New Deal will take away their jobs. She accepted. Turns out there are no active coal mines in Barr's district because it's 2019, not 1919. So now Barr is uninviting AOC. https://t.co/JOY8Mai82O

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) April 17, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:05 (seven months ago) link

He seems like he’s really in touch with the concerns of the coal miners in his district

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 17 April 2019 22:31 (seven months ago) link

I guess that's the cleanest way to do coal.

nickn, Wednesday, 17 April 2019 23:05 (seven months ago) link

all these republican self owns are amazing and yet...

maura, Thursday, 18 April 2019 02:02 (six months ago) link

happy Redacted Thursday!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:37 (six months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 10:42 (six months ago) link

president donald j trump appears to be having a very normal one on twitter this morning

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 12:29 (six months ago) link

MSNBC asks: 'Will the Mueller report's release provoke Trump's rage at White House staff?'

The answer to 'will ______ provoke Trump's rage at _____?' is always an unequivocal 'yes'.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:05 (six months ago) link

I love how media are getting The Report on CD, which, given the antiquated hardware on newsrooms, might work.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:09 (six months ago) link

the redactions are so much fuller and warmer on vinyl imo

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:12 (six months ago) link

these redactions were meant to be played loud, so turn it up

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:14 (six months ago) link

Pono or go home

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:16 (six months ago) link

DOJ have had interns scouring yard sales and Goodwills for weeks in search of serviceable zip drives in order to maximize the inconvenience.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:16 (six months ago) link

I'll bet Trump winds up punching the Easter Bunny this year, just you wait.

A Cheetah Drenched in Applesauce (Old Lunch), Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:17 (six months ago) link

this day is going to be mad stupid and infuriating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:29 (six months ago) link

"At the same time, there was relentless speculation in the news media about the President’s personal culpability. Yet, as he said from the beginning, there was in fact no collusion."

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) April 18, 2019

cool

Simon H., Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:53 (six months ago) link

uhh isn't Barr pretty much saying he overruled Mueller on the "no obstruction" angle

in other words he did exactly what he was installed to do, great job all around folks

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 13:58 (six months ago) link

holy shit gtfo with this "unprecedented situation" shit, do you remember a woman by the name of Monica Lewinsky

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:00 (six months ago) link

Barr notes again it's at his "discretion" whether the report is public. Then he gets asked if he's prespinning the report before the public can see it. "No," Barr says. And with that, we are done with questions.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) April 18, 2019

thanks bill, very cool!

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:00 (six months ago) link

so let me get this straight it's okay to obstruct justice if the media's mean to you

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:04 (six months ago) link

holy shit every single cable news channel is falling for this

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:05 (six months ago) link

they are so fucking stupid

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:06 (six months ago) link

sweet baby jesus

pic.twitter.com/222atp7wuB

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 18, 2019

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:08 (six months ago) link

does anyone else remember last month when Trump's personal attorney directly implicated him in a felony

like we've had 10 or 11 legit impeachment-worthy scandals since Mueller was appointed but by all means lets all group together on national TV and talk about how innocent our darling sweet prez is

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:10 (six months ago) link

That tweet is...um...I think I'm dying. Yes, I'm dead now.

if you want to maintain your sanity i recommend not putting any emotional investment into what is said on TV

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:12 (six months ago) link

Nixon must be furious he wasn't born 40 years later

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:13 (six months ago) link

Chris Wallace on Fox News: "The Attorney General seemed almost to be acting as the counselor for the defense, the counselor for the president, rather than the Attorney General, talking about his motives, his emotions... Really, as I say, making a case for the president."

— Ken Fitzpatrick (@krf7) April 18, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:13 (six months ago) link

holy shit every single cable news channel is falling for this
― frogbs, Thursday, April 18, 2019 10:05 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ive got msnbc on and no they are not (obv but still)

barr getting eviscerated

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:14 (six months ago) link

yep

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

ah ok just speaking for CBS and CNN and FOX (of course), though Chris Wallace at least somewhat acknowledges how obviously corrupt this all is

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

obv I'm not ombudsmen but here's the NYT lede:

In his news conference on Thursday morning, Mr. Barr at times sounded like a defense lawyer, making no criticism of the president and instead offering an understanding interpretation of actions that Mr. Trump’s critics have said amounted to obstruction of justice.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

Barr pretty much admitting that Trump committed obstruction (but it's ok because he was mad) and that there was collusion by the campaign (if not involved in the direct hacking) and that Russia very much wanted Trump to win but lmao nothing matters

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 14:34 (six months ago) link

Just based on what I've read about Barr's press conference it's reminiscent of a kid arguing with great passion that a D- is actually closer to a C than it is to an F- before throwing his abysmal report card at his parents and running away to hide in the neighbor's shed.

that's a good take away imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:04 (six months ago) link

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:07 (six months ago) link

448 pages.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:07 (six months ago) link

Breaking: Mueller in his report says he lacked confidence to clear Trump of obstruction of justice but suggested Congress could take action.@cstrohm https://t.co/f9O1zJeBoV

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) April 18, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:10 (six months ago) link

Renato: "We now know the first part of the sentence Barr cut off: 'Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.'"

So yes, Russia interfered, and yes, Trump Inc approved, they just ... didn't help?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:11 (six months ago) link

a lot of blacked out shit of course

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:15 (six months ago) link

so everything the media was reporting on for the last 2 years was...basically correct?

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:16 (six months ago) link

pretty sure Barr is full of fucking shit and even this redacted mess will prove that at least

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:17 (six months ago) link

Already.

Barr totally lied about why Mueller didn't decide whether Trump obstructed. https://t.co/WIQlH8tRCw pic.twitter.com/c9FSDt8PSu

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) April 18, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:20 (six months ago) link

Just flipped to a random page:

“Evidence concerning the President’s conduct towards Manafort indicates that the President intended to encourage Manafort to not cooperate with the government.”

Totally legal, totally cool

circa1916, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:22 (six months ago) link

Yeah, just looking at random pages has already evinced evidence of random criminality, or criminal intent.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:23 (six months ago) link

fucking unsearchable file

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:23 (six months ago) link

I've already seen Stephen Miller's name pop up perhaps more than I expected.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:24 (six months ago) link

never use "Stephen Miller" and "pop up" in the same sentence

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:25 (six months ago) link

page 18 is my favorite so far pic.twitter.com/XMhsTx51xT

— maura quint (@behindyourback) April 18, 2019

Simon H., Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:26 (six months ago) link

When Trump was told about the Mueller investigation: the president slumped back in his chair and said, oh, my god, this is terrible, this is the end of my presidency, I am -- then he used a form of a word that begins with F. I am f-ed.@PeteWilliamsNBC

— Chris Jansing (@ChrisJansing) April 18, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:28 (six months ago) link

The long goodbye.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:29 (six months ago) link

god, just say fucked

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:29 (six months ago) link

Maybe he actually said "f-ed," because so religious.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:30 (six months ago) link

Trump upon learning of Mueller's appointment: "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."

page 290 pic.twitter.com/U3pDPgY56U

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) April 18, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:31 (six months ago) link

PETER SMITH was contacted by Michael Flynn to find the deleted Clinton emails, at Trump's request, per Mueller. pic.twitter.com/jKhZZAOcrp

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) April 18, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:33 (six months ago) link

so this has been out for half an hour and there's already like three dozen crimes uncovered

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:33 (six months ago) link

It doesn't take much looking! Like, throw a dart or something.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:34 (six months ago) link

it's almost like the facts never mattered and he was never going to be prosecuted because he's the president

Simon H., Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:36 (six months ago) link

this has to be hannity, right? (what even is the point of redacting if you're going to keep alphabetical order? the redacting also preserves the lengths of the names, some bars are shorter)

https://imgur.com/a/9XZuM5y

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:36 (six months ago) link

'I'm fucked' = a phrase I often use when I know I'm innocent and have absolutely nothing to hide.

I'm pretty sure he said "I'm fullyexonerated"

rob, Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:39 (six months ago) link

(also someone points out the redacted name between "Katsyv" and "Kaveladze" is probably Kavanaugh

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:57 (six months ago) link

it's 10:55 am on the morning of the Mueller report's redacted release, so probably premature to sum up the situation, but what the hell. things seem pretty much exactly as before:

- trump is guilty as hell and everyone knows it
- Barr's theory on executive privilege is that the president gets to do whatever he wants. that's why he was appointed.
- GOP is willing to look the other way
- republicans can say "no collusion" for the next few years for political gain
- democrats can point to all the obvious ways the president is corrupt for the next few years for political gain
- meanwhile, we are in hell

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 15:59 (six months ago) link

AFAICT, yup

Simon H., Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:03 (six months ago) link

I mean the public release of the report was never going to have any more substantive effect than getting both sides to dig in their heels a little more. I super double-dog believe that Trump is a crook! That and two bits will buy me a scrumptious bag of penny candy.

The twist is that he tried to obstruct justice repeatedly, but his staff and inner circle kept stopping him from totally breaking a law. So ... the system worked?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:13 (six months ago) link

Yeah it seems clear that he tried through multiple channels to impede or stop the investigation but since those efforts largely failed... no obstruction?

circa1916, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:16 (six months ago) link

Tell me how, under that system, we wouldn't be just as well off (if not better!) with a dog as president. I mean even like an unwell dog that isn't particularly bright. Or let's say a brick. Just place a brick in the big boy seat and let the system hum along, untroubled and efficient.

Like what fucking world are we living in where anyone can look honestly upon this scenario and say, 'yes, this is all perfectly okay because no actual collusion took place'.

i won't have time to skim the report til this evening/weekend, but places like TPM are already weighing in with stuff like this:


"The Mueller analysis of the obstruction of justice question is far more complex, nuanced, and unfavorable to the president that Attorney General William Barr has portrayed publicly.

Most importantly, the well-known DOJ policy that the President of the United States cannot be indicted was a significant consideration by the Mueller team and informed its analysis and its presentation of the obstruction question.

It also puts front and center Congress’ impeachment role, or as Mueller puts it: “constitutional processes for addressing presidential misconduct.”"

compare that to barr's press conference, when he was specifically asked about that, and said that the mueller report makes clear that the DOJ policy on indicting a president did NOT play a role in mueller's analysis.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:22 (six months ago) link

The twist is that he tried to obstruct justice repeatedly, but his staff and inner circle kept stopping him from totally breaking a law. So ... the system worked?

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:13 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah it seems clear that he tried through multiple channels to impede or stop the investigation but since those efforts largely failed... no obstruction?

― circa1916, Thursday, April 18, 2019 12:16 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:23 (six months ago) link

So one big finding so far, following up on David’s note below. It’s in the “Introduction to Volume II”, the obstruction part. It’s very specific and detailed. But it’s only two pages. You can read it yourself. It’s pages 213-14 in the PDF, pages 1 and 2 of that volume of the report. The gist though is that the Special Counsel decided not only that they couldn’t indict a sitting President but that it would not be fair even to accuse him of a crime without indicting him. They also say that if they decided he shouldn’t face prosecution (under the normal standards that would apply to a non-President) that they would say so. They did not. The gist is that the whole non-finding of obstruction seems to rest on the DOJ/OLC belief that a sitting President cannot be indicted – quite contrary to Barr’s claim.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:24 (six months ago) link

They were just words, sterile, ineffective words. He was exercising his first amendment rights, no big deal. Holding the President of the United States to this standard is totally fine.

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:26 (six months ago) link

What does the redacted Mueller report look like? Check out this great visualization from @gaufre and @LATimesGraphics https://t.co/8phguSNTI6 pic.twitter.com/Hlm1O5aLLH

— Chris Megerian (@ChrisMegerian) April 18, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:31 (six months ago) link

lmao everybody else in the country would go to jail for even a tenth of this

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:37 (six months ago) link

Probably the coolest message you could relate to a walking moral vacuum is that any degree of supercriminality to which he aspires, however extreme, will elicit nothing more injurious than huffing and puffing from people he couldn't give two shits about. Like I'm sure nothing but very good, very cool things will follow upon the dawning of that realization.

Roger Stone's official name is now "harm to ongoing matter"

mh, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:49 (six months ago) link

Xp to km- that’s key, i think.

also,

- GOP is willing to look the other way
- republicans can say "no collusion" for the next few years for political gain
- democrats can point to all the obvious ways the president is corrupt for the next few years for political gain
- meanwhile, we are in hell

actually worse than hell, because gop is motivated to lockdown electoral problems, overturn the judiciary, install more cronies to doj and agencies. given the anti-small d- democratic scenario that we are in, and the amount of time they have to work, either a ‘normal’ impeachment, or some other extrapolitical intervention (by which i mean eg special counsel dropping lots of terrible info, or powerful federal district cases, not violence) is required to get this stupendous and lethal turd flushed. otherwise the pressure will only rise, with all the dangers associated there.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 18 April 2019 16:55 (six months ago) link

This isn't the same as the Barr release. It paints a much less rosy pic, confirms sketchy acts that were previously rumored in the press, and shows Trump tried to interfere and obstruct but was thwarted by deputies who refused his orders.

This is not a victory for Trump like Barr report was. It's not going to move the needle much re: approval rating or lead to impeachment, but the press is already running with the "this is the end of my presidency" quotes as well as other salacious details, as opposed to the Barr report, where they basically said DEMS GOT IT WRONG.

This might not make a big diff re: voters, but it sure isn't going to win Trump any new voters either. Repubs can spin it however they want. The report has him making a weak-assed statement about it being the end of his Presidency and his active attempts to subvert justice.

Also supports the Dems claim that Barr is doing Trump's bidding.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:01 (six months ago) link

this aged well

I know this piece is not going to make me popular. But I'm willing to give Bill Barr the benefit of the doubt—for the next two weeks. https://t.co/5IX95XdJug

— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) April 1, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:01 (six months ago) link

At the risk of sounding like an annual broken record, I still don't get why people aren't out protesting. Is no criminal behaviour brazen enough when it comes to this piece of shit?

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:02 (six months ago) link

Xxpost I mean, Mueller's report says some attempts to investigate collusion were stonewalled by destruction/non-preservation of data and that access to that information could have yielded a different verdict.

It also basically says Trump tried to obstruct justice but was too stupid and got bailed out by people refusing his orders.

I'm not broken up about this.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:04 (six months ago) link

Xpost people have been protesting since the morning after the election. Short of violent insurrection, it's proven ineffective since the GOP protects its own.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:05 (six months ago) link

the key is to get out there and vote for congressional representation in your district that is likely gerrymandered so you're either voting for a democrat that was going to win anyway or lodging a protest vote against a republican that was going to win anyway, unless you live in one of the 10% or so of districts that could be plausibly described as "swing districts". btw if you live in one of those swing districts your representative has a 99% chance of being a complete asshole who thinks that centrism is an ideology

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:15 (six months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4cw62KWkAIKLA9.jpg

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:16 (six months ago) link

Any writing which isn't immediately posted to Twitter is highly suspect imo.

lawyers don't take notes

just

amazing

gbx, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:22 (six months ago) link

i wonder what trump thinks legal pads are for

pee tape update:

Comey’s briefing included the Steele reporting’s unverified allegation that the Russians had compromising tapes of the President involving conduct when he was a private citizen during a 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe Pageant. During the 2016 presidential campaign, a similar claim may have reached candidate Trump. On October 30, 2016, Michael Cohen received a text from Russian businessman Giorgi Rtskhiladze that said, “Stopped flow of tapes from Russia but not sure if there’s anything else. Just so you know ....” 10/30/16 Text Message, Rtskhiladze to Cohen. Rtskhiladze said “tapes” referred to compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by persons associated with the Russian real estate conglomerate Crocus Group, which had helped host the 2013 Miss Universe contest in Russia... Rtskhiladze said he was told the tapes were fake, but he did not communicate that to Cohen.

i see the flow has been stopped. probably a painful process for all involved

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:23 (six months ago) link

i am alluding to the pain that is experienced when a man stops the pee flow

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:26 (six months ago) link

the part underlined in red is what Barr chose to excerpt in his shitty letter from a couple weeks ago:

https://cdn.talkingpointsmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/C5F24C35-396B-4340-9EB5-ACAA0FED6ACB.jpeg

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:30 (six months ago) link

xpost
collusion is stored in the balls

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:30 (six months ago) link

what a load of bullshit

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

xp barr and this whole ordeal is bullshit, not the collusion in the balls. that's just science

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

protest is like group therapy, makes everyone feel a little better. doesn't do shit politically. the biggest protests in history were against the iraq war

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:32 (six months ago) link

It works in some countries.

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:32 (six months ago) link

just lmao that they never got to interview Trump under oath

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:43 (six months ago) link

lmao that they *gave up even trying.*

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:44 (six months ago) link

Muellers explanation for why they stopped trying was... not satisfying.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:48 (six months ago) link

I think I understand where he was coming from but it's as much overthinking as Comey did with equally self-defeating results.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:49 (six months ago) link

In the introduction to section 2, the report states that though they accept the policy that a sitting president cannot be indicted, the investigation is preserving evidence while it is fresh in case the DOJ wants to prosecute Trump after he leaves office. That does not sound like Mueller punting anything to Barr, since presumably Barr will not be AG after Trump leaves office

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:53 (six months ago) link

god forbid they treat Trump the way they would literally any other human being on the planet

it really is maddening - every news outlet in the country treats Trump with kid gloves and "both sides" everything he does, which led directly to his election, and now he's too stupid and inept to be convinced of a crime

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:55 (six months ago) link

Again, the other way to look at is that he is sleazy and sketchy and fuck, which we all knew, but didn't do most of the shit he wanted to do because he is also stupid and inept, which we all suspected. But meanwhile there are 15 or so other investigations apparently in progress, and those involve hard numbers and facts, not discerning intent or whatever, and can't be interfered with the same way. And no way is congress done with its own investigations, not even including the prospect of impeachment. And there is another election looming. And he will still regardless be dead long before most of us. (which at this rate clearly just doomed me to an early demise.)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 17:59 (six months ago) link

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/17/kamala-harris-leads-campaign-money-race-1280546

donor class might be coalescing around Harris after all

― Simon H., Thursday, 18 April 2019

She makes most sense, especially given its likely to come down to head to head vs Bernie. If it ends up being vs Warren then Beto might me a more suitable choice, but that looks unlikely, and it doesn't really look like Beto is going to get any momentum, whereas Kamala's potential looks a lot more solid.

anvil, Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:06 (six months ago) link

wrong thread sorry

anvil, Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:07 (six months ago) link

The differences are stark between what Attorney General Barr said on obstruction and what Special Counsel Mueller said on obstruction. #MuellerReport

— Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) April 18, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:10 (six months ago) link

I suppose the reporter did back flips paraphrasing for the sake of the lede:

White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Thursday compared special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation to a “political proctology exam” on President Trump who emerged from the metaphorical procedure unscathed.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:13 (six months ago) link

And he will still regardless be dead long before most of us.

His parents lived to the ages of 93 and 88, so he'll be around a while yet. Admittedly as a drooling, senile, nappy-shitting wreck, but maybe someone in that state can still be prosecuted?

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:29 (six months ago) link

They weren’t obese speed freaks. Trump is on borrowed time healthwise

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:32 (six months ago) link

Eastwood's still allowed to make movies so idk

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:34 (six months ago) link

uuuugh, no, am i really here on the morning of the mueller report thinking about whether or not maybe trump will finally get in trouble when he's 90

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:36 (six months ago) link

...Sorry, is Conaway under the impression that proctology generally leaves patients scathed? If so, she might want to encourage her husband to shop around for someone who doesn't reduce his rectum to a blighted ruin.

@2600: OK, we'll probably regret this but we made a *searchable* PDF of the #MuellerReport available at https://2600.com/MuellerReport.pdf. Please share.

gbx, Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:47 (six months ago) link

I got no hits with "piss"

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:49 (six months ago) link

try "urine" for a surprise hit

Simon H., Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:51 (six months ago) link

Try doodoo if u want the whole doc to open

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2019 18:53 (six months ago) link

Ah. TWO impeachment referrals today. https://t.co/sXJGmhMi24

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) April 18, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:05 (six months ago) link

Knew he was too good to be true.

wtf mayor pete

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:08 (six months ago) link

is it okay to admire the crispness of the Mueller team's prose? I'm reading this shit like it was Bernanos.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:10 (six months ago) link

Is there perhaps an untranslatable German word which aptly describes the irony of engaging in full-bore criminality so as to put yourself in a position where you have become immune to the consequences of said full-bore criminality?

That word is likelier to be found in the Russian language.

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:33 (six months ago) link

i've generally been p skeptical that the report would turn up anything actionable but man

kind of agree that they should at least attempt impeachment

gbx, Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:36 (six months ago) link

Taking a break from working at home (!) -- on paper... I heard spme NPR earlier. So how many besides Sotosyn are actually reading the whole thing?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:38 (six months ago) link

I mean the thing is...the report seems to seriously call into question the legitimacy of the election. And if he was elected on the basis of super shady shit, I don't know how you can use his current status as a basis for abstaining from SOME sort of action. It's like if someone killed a dude before he was hired at a new job and showed up at his workplace assuming his identity and then all this shit came to light years later and the employer and authorities just throw their hands up and are like, 'well, he signed a contract with the guy's name, what can we even do?'

@dick_nixon these people, sir. these fucking people. pic.twitter.com/8rDZI00UFm

— Grant Alpaugh (@GrantAlpaugh) April 18, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:44 (six months ago) link

Guys I am not optimistic that Jared Kushner is going to deliver on that whole peace in the Middle East thing. pic.twitter.com/zyaLBkEKX3

— Jim Swift (@JimSwiftDC) April 18, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:46 (six months ago) link

All we have read so far says Mueller was deeply concerned with intent, as he should be, and took pains to look for mitigation where possible. But he did not find much. It does not so far say intent is almost impossible to prove without access to the witness.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) April 18, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:47 (six months ago) link

XPs You make him head of the Lucky Strike campaign.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:48 (six months ago) link

A month ago I said on this board that Impeachment is a Political Act, therefore Pelosi was right to quash impeachment chatter at that moment.

It's April, and, fuck yes, this guy has to go even if it fails. Failure will not "embolden" the GOP. Failure to impeach the kind of lawlessness that would put get one of us burned alive and our smoking ashes sent to prison would be the failure.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:49 (six months ago) link

I'm legit staggered by the level of criminality that Mueller reveals, and the prose in the report does not weasel. Each section summarizes what he concluded.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:49 (six months ago) link

Does Pelosi's tweet today mean she is open to pursuing obstruction to possible impeachment, or am I confusing her with "like, 5 people"?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:50 (six months ago) link

It takes a criminal, etc

To my fellow Republicans: Having read the Mueller report, you may decide that nothing in it requires or justifies the impeachment of Donald Trump. But, having read the report, do you have no qualms about deciding this man deserves our party's renomination as president?

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) April 18, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:52 (six months ago) link

Bill Weld not trending yet

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:53 (six months ago) link

We've all been there… pic.twitter.com/SXTPGuiphZ

— Anton Troianovski (@antontroian) April 18, 2019

Fun to see this confirmed.

Sater wasn’t able to set up any meetings with the Russian government for Cohen so Cohen got frustrated and tried to go direct - by e-mailing Putin’s press secretary at his public contact address, which he misspelled so it didn’t reach him. It’s like emailing ‘Sarah.Sanders @ whitehouse.gob’ while trying to reach Trump.

ShariVari, Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:53 (six months ago) link

I don't see Mitch ordering a hit on the Grifter so they can nominate Pence

xxp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:54 (six months ago) link

I'm reading this shit like it was Bernanos.

come on, you'd read this if the prose was Jackie Susann

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:56 (six months ago) link

^that is the geekiest burn I've ever seen

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 18 April 2019 19:59 (six months ago) link

is it? she was America's Most Popular Writer when I was a tot

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:01 (six months ago) link

these fucking people

“Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point. Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told @DanaBashCNN .

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) April 18, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:02 (six months ago) link

I have no idea what Bernanos sounds like in English (and to be perfectly honest, he doesn't strike me as a paragon of stylistic crispness, which is to his credit) but as usual, the translator hath been consigned to oblivion. I do agree that Mueller & co.'s prose is delectable.

xps

pomenitul, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:02 (six months ago) link

Just coming to post that xp

Milquetoast motherfucks

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:06 (six months ago) link

Adam Schiff being crisp on the teevee now

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:13 (six months ago) link

come on, you'd read this if the prose was Jackie Susann

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius

I don't understand
Jackie Susann

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:15 (six months ago) link

A month ago I said on this board that Impeachment is a Political Act, therefore Pelosi was right to quash impeachment chatter at that moment.

It's April, and, fuck yes, this guy has to go even if it fails. Failure will not "embolden" the GOP. Failure to impeach the kind of lawlessness that would put get one of us burned alive and our smoking ashes sent to prison would be the failure.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:49 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm legit staggered by the level of criminality that Mueller reveals, and the prose in the report does not weasel. Each section summarizes what he concluded.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:49 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all this on one side

"total exoneration!" on the other

in the middle, the first reaction of the political commentator, speaking just after Barr finished his press conference, was (paraphrasing) "it is difficult to see how this is anything but the best possible news for Trump, politically speaking", before the fucking report was even available online

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:15 (six months ago) link

the NPR commentator, i mean. god, i almost drove my car into the lake when i heard that

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:16 (six months ago) link

So they were interested in colluding with Russia but didn’t? All the while hiding a 300 million dollar business deal with the kremlin?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:21 (six months ago) link

Truly amazing to see the Democrats extend their theory of "People will get mad at us if we do the things we're supposed to believe in" to encompass not just things like poverty relief or healthcare but the basic requirements of the constitution

— Tom Scocca (@tomscocca) April 18, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:22 (six months ago) link

are there well-placed Democrats at this moment extending this theory?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:26 (six months ago) link

yeah the media's handling of this has been ridiculous. so much credence in Barr as impartial messenger even up to today's fucking press conference.

circa1916, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:28 (six months ago) link


the NPR commentator, i mean. god, i almost drove my car into the lake when i heard that

― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, April 18, 2019 3:16 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I heard that, too, and rolled my eyes, but it seemed like they quickly qualified ("we just mean *politically*") and then tried to back away from it. More enraging to me was when they gave airtime to the RNC spokeswoman to engage in blanket denials and whataboutism.

jaymc, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:32 (six months ago) link

Alfred, I think that's in response to this tweet (already posted)

“Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point. Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told @DanaBashCNN .

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) April 18, 2019

Tom also pointed out that "there is an election in 18 months" is an argument for congresspeople to do nothing for 3/4 of their terms.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:34 (six months ago) link

it brings me no pleasure to report this, but the mueller report has two spaces after every period

— gamer wife (@bijanstephen) April 18, 2019

suzy, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:42 (six months ago) link

NPR also talked to some republican woman who worked with or for Clarence Thomas and she said flat out that Congress had enough to start Articles of Impeachment. Missed who she was though.

akm, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:42 (six months ago) link

yeah seems like the american people made a bad judgment in electing you to be every vigilant in your fucking job, Steny xxp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:43 (six months ago) link

Two spaces after every period is THE WAY IT SHOULD FUCKING BE

akm, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:43 (six months ago) link

More enraging to me was when they gave airtime to the RNC spokeswoman to engage in blanket denials and whataboutism.

i really wish news outlets would stop doing interviews with people who are paid to spin things. it has nothing to do with "balance" or the representation of both sides. it's literally inviting someone on to manipulate the audience

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:45 (six months ago) link

so this is the start of the purge right? like, we can all just do criminal shit

maura, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:47 (six months ago) link

Two spaces after every period is THE WAY IT SHOULD FUCKING BE

otm

Olmütz human (brownie), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:49 (six months ago) link

brb, gonna go annex my neighbor's apartment.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:49 (six months ago) link

so this is the start of the purge right? like, we can all just do criminal shit

the answer is yes, you can do criminal shit and get away with it, but the key is that you have to be rich, and you have to do the criminal shit out in the open so the entire world can see it, over and over. that way you can say you weren't hiding anything

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:51 (six months ago) link

i get to make an ebook out of the report so i'll report back on the quality of the prose next week alfred

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:51 (six months ago) link

unfortunately, i'm probably redacing the double spaces

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:52 (six months ago) link

Barr: yes, my client did murder his wife, but in his defense, he was very frustrated with her at the time

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:53 (six months ago) link

so this is the start of the purge right? like, we can all just do criminal shit

its always been this way

"the law" is just whatever benefits/exonerates Republicans the most, you just work backwards from there

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:53 (six months ago) link

If they started impeachment proceedings *today* it would at best barely be close to done by the time of the Nov. 2020 election; Clinton took a year and a couple of months to resolve, I think. Even then, with a divided gov and a senate in no way inclined to do shit, it wouldn't amount to anything more than a symbolic victory; voting him out of office would achieve more with less bullshit. Of course, if the opposition et al. are seriously making an argument that it would be somehow *easier* to impeach than get him voted out in 1.5 years, well, then maybe they all deserve 4 more years of this asshole. But it's not. They should just keep up the pressure, keep up the investigations, support voter registration, drives and turnout, and, if the Mueller report proves anything, in the meantime Trump will repeatedly fuck shit up for himself on his own, possibly making a 2020 loss easier to achieve.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:54 (six months ago) link

I feel like I am getting away with a crime when I do one space after a period. It's a thrill.

Yerac, Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:55 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGOtZDk6wRc

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 April 2019 20:58 (six months ago) link

Meanwhile on America: The Series, a woman named Ginger White is threatening to describe Herman Cain’s penis unless he withdraws his bid to oversee the country's central bank. https://t.co/7L44q6i6ES

— Paul McLeod (@pdmcleod) April 18, 2019

ma'am this is actually called "modern day presidential"

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2019 21:01 (six months ago) link

the very concept of the full stop is counter-revolutionary

Boris Bronfentrinker of Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 April 2019 21:01 (six months ago) link

Damn. Even Chuck Fucking Todd led his show a few seconds ago with, "Trump tried to obstruct the investigation"

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 21:02 (six months ago) link

so far i've only read about things i already knew but when they're just stated all orderly and suchlike, it's existentially deflating to think (which seems realistic) the report can't make a dent in republican official or popular support

j., Thursday, 18 April 2019 21:20 (six months ago) link

pic.twitter.com/YBFvIIehUv

— MichaelCoffee (@MichaelTCoffee) April 18, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 18 April 2019 21:36 (six months ago) link

Hoyer can eat shit

JiC, you have amazing confidence in the Dems to not fuck up another election (the elite are going to do their Smear Bernie thing by summer)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:27 (six months ago) link

Oh, I totally think they're going to fuck it up!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:36 (six months ago) link

But if there's ever been a bigger fuck up than the Dems it's Trump.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:38 (six months ago) link

I appreciate Morbs' reveling in the thought of bad news.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:38 (six months ago) link

(plus the GOP to steal another) xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:38 (six months ago) link

bad news is all I get, public and personal

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:39 (six months ago) link

I suppose it's possible to masturbate to bad news.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:48 (six months ago) link

so this is the start of the purge right? like, we can all just do criminal shit

― maura, Thursday, April 18, 2019 3:47 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

worth repeating so

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 April 2019 22:55 (six months ago) link

You can only do criminal shit if it's in the service of securing a status that will shield you from the consequences of the criminal shit you did.

Future generations are going to wonder how people were ever this fucking stupid.

when you're a star you can do anything iirc

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:24 (six months ago) link

The media touting Trump as a winner of today's news is such a profoundly bad take.

What did he win? If you ignore nuance, at best he got the same news that he got a month ago. At worst, he had anecdotes of his neuroses, incompetence, and disregard for rule of law confirmed. Many of which that he previously dismissed as "fake news".

The idea that he wins presupposes he gets anything out of this other than "not being indicted", which we all knew before the day began. His approval ratings got no positive bump from the Barr report, and while some opined this was due to people waiting for the Mueller report's release, that's horseshit.

The type of idiots that are malleable in one of those polls are the types that see the original lede and never dig further. And if any of those folks were holding out for more information and actually cared enough to read or read about Mueller's report, what in it is going to endear them more to Trump?

"Investigate the investigators" is dead in the water, meanwhile House investigations continue, and Barr is now getting clowned in the media.

Like this wasn't a salvo for anti-Trumpers but Trump didn't "win" shit. He'll get zero material gains from this other than not bunking in a Club Fed hotel.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:56 (six months ago) link

I seldom watch Chris Mathews but I caught the end of his shoe and I agree with his closing statement . It may not be good politics to go after impeachment but after winning the house it’s their duty to do something rather than just let shit slide.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 April 2019 00:03 (six months ago) link

Otm

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 April 2019 00:05 (six months ago) link

NYT homepage is pretty full of "Trump damning" angles

Future generations are going to wonder how people were ever this fucking stupid.

only while baking to death in Waterworld etc

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 00:21 (six months ago) link

No better time to wonder about the cognitive shortcomings of one's forebears imo.

Wait not only is Trump not in jail, there are four bears roaming around?

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 April 2019 00:34 (six months ago) link

Worth noting that Dem Majority Leader Steny Hoyer still holds his congressional seat in part because he had his allies in the legislature racially gerrymander it to keep whites in the majority instead of giving Maryland a third predominantly black district https://t.co/nBqaDKSJ3V https://t.co/VIWNS0uCau

— Stephen Wolf (@PoliticsWolf) April 18, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 01:09 (six months ago) link

Rudy blowin' all the gaskets on CNN rn.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 19 April 2019 01:13 (six months ago) link

granted I haven't really 'watched' news and listen to NPR but my cursory web checks (which did not include fox news) seem to be pretty forthright about 'this does not exonerate Trump and his claim that it does is not true" but everyone who watches and listens to normal news already knows this.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 02:00 (six months ago) link

NPR has had loads of ridiculous coverage on this, particularly who they choose to interview, like multiple republican strategists. It’s been uneven

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 02:03 (six months ago) link

if they didn't have sycophantic shits on, they'd fear for their funding

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 02:10 (six months ago) link

NPR has had loads of ridiculous coverage on this, particularly who they choose to interview, like multiple republican strategists. It’s been uneven


Yeah, if I hadn’t spent my day picking through the report, I would’ve thought it was waaaay rosier than it actually is judging by NPR’s general vibe about it on my drive home. Generally like “A good day for Trump! Mildly embarrassing at worst!” Fucking bizarro and infuriating.

circa1916, Friday, 19 April 2019 02:43 (six months ago) link

Senior House Dem aide tells me the messaging from Dems is that Mueller needs to come to the Hill and that full documents are needed. Hoyer ruling out impeachment was "clearly off message."

— Sam Stein (@samstein) April 18, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2019 02:54 (six months ago) link

NPR: "what do you think the reaction will be to the report?"
INTERVIEWEE: "i think everyone is exhausted, frankly, i think on both sides of the aisle everyone is ready to move on. yes, there are things in the report that are mildly embarrassing for the president, but it is also a complete and total exoneration, no collusion, with liberty and justice for all, the nation is ready to move on."
NPR: "mmhmm, yes, interesting! but what about those mild embarrassments, which we won't ever ask you to be specific about during this interview, so really just deliver your message, take as much time as necessary, i'm just going to step out for a moment, keep this going until i get back"
INTERVIEWEE: "both sides of the aisle are ready to move on-
*12 more minutes pass in this fashion*
NPR: "and that was a republican strategist that tried to brainwash you using our pocketwatch, next up on all things considered

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 02:59 (six months ago) link

hey, NRO's house intellectual is to the left of NPR:

I’ve finished reading the entire Mueller report, and I must confess that even as a longtime, quite open critic of Donald Trump, even I was surprised at the sheer scope, scale, and brazenness of the lies, falsehoods, and misdirections detailed by the Special Counsel’s Office. We’ve become accustomed to Trump making up his own facts on matters great and small, but to see the extent to which his virus infected his entire political operation is sobering. And the idea that anyone is treating this report as “win” for Trump, given the sheer extent of deceptions exposed (among other things), demonstrates that the bar for his conduct has sunk so low that anything other than outright criminality is too often brushed aside as relatively meaningless.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2019 03:05 (six months ago) link

I was talking with a coworker who’s probably a soft (r) republican voter the other day and a conversation I didn’t link to current events seems relevant. I was griping about the gerrymandering of zoning that led to NYC’s Hudson Yards receiving funds and he was shrugging saying that if it’s legal, it’s ok, right?

I said something about the zoning board acting inappropriately, the difference between my moral objections and the difference between law and morality, the spirit of the law versus the letter

It’s still that realm with all the Trump crap. Outside of taking down individuals for specific acts, will it go anywhere? While driving home I was daydreaming about this becoming a RICO case, because it’s only the addition of all the malfeasance, the dumb “lawyers don’t take notes” because you’re talking about an institution of ass-covering when your lawyer is in the room, that makes it a major criminal case. No president should be within a midday shadow of these things, but power breeds litigation and that’s less to the assumption anyone with power is tied up in the courts and severity is a secondary thought.

mh, Friday, 19 April 2019 03:17 (six months ago) link

I mean SDNY still has RICO air RICO adjacent stuff in process

he was shrugging saying that if it’s legal, it’s ok, right?

at the risk of getting too trenchant, philando castile was a legal gun owner

people like trump get to forget things, and people like trump jr. are just wacky middle-aged kids who never meant any harm. if you're rich enough, it's not illegal -- it's just a mistake

mookieproof, Friday, 19 April 2019 04:23 (six months ago) link

You have to love that the President of the United States started a charitable organization named after himself, which then committed so many legal infractions that it had to be shut down, pay out $2.8 million, and he and three of his children were banned from ever managing another charity in NY. And almost no one recalls this, despite it happening just last December, at the end of 2018.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2019 04:52 (six months ago) link

His misdemeanors are high crimes for most people

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 05:04 (six months ago) link

aimless, i'm at the stage of hearing about trump foundation antics and my reaction is "MAN WE REALLY GOTTA SHUT THAT RIDICULOUS SHIT DOWN!"

Hunt3r, Friday, 19 April 2019 05:29 (six months ago) link

NPR: "mmhmm, yes, interesting! but what about those mild embarrassments, which we won't ever ask you to be specific about during this interview, so really just deliver your message, take as much time as necessary, i'm just going to step out for a moment, keep this going until i get back"

this is all of NPR's news coverage ime, not special to today

blokes you can't rust (sic), Friday, 19 April 2019 07:44 (six months ago) link

NYT has a piece on the pattern of the redactions, will read on paper and link if nec

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:00 (six months ago) link

tbqh

Dems ran in 2006 on a promise to stop funding the Iraq War, and won the House based on it. They then didn't keep their promise because they feared doing it & wanted to run against the war in 2008.

That's why they won't impeach now: they fear doing it & want to run against Trump.

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 19, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:00 (six months ago) link

Loool, Greenwald is such a piece of shit.

Frederik B, Friday, 19 April 2019 11:31 (six months ago) link

More incoherent than usual. He damned the Dems last month for giving a shit about Russia, he damns them now for lacking a courage that he thought was zeal in March. Fuck him.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:32 (six months ago) link

Oh, he was on Tucker yesterday talking about how there is nothing bad in the Mueller report, and now he pretends to want impeachment?

Frederik B, Friday, 19 April 2019 11:34 (six months ago) link

shut up, foreign asshole

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:38 (six months ago) link

let's deal w/ that statement. any doubt?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:39 (six months ago) link

ok, fuck glenn greenwald

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:42 (six months ago) link

greenwald forfeits the right to be taken seriously by hobnobbing with Tucker Carlson, he has handed in his union card & is scabbing for the other side now

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:46 (six months ago) link

"Sure, he delivered a sermon at Westboro Baptist Church -- but let's see what he said in that sermon!" permanent no thanks

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:47 (six months ago) link

He had his use in 2004-2009, for which I'm grateful. Now I have no patience for a man who gets his jollies accusing Dems of a cowardice whose contours he can define one tweet at a time, often at a remove, always high enough for him to avoid sullying his conscience.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:47 (six months ago) link

let's deal w/ that statement. any doubt?

I feel like we should wait to see what Dennis Perrin has to say before beginning discussion in earnest. Let us know, won't you?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:49 (six months ago) link

I've a friend with whom I'm losing patience because he emphasizes, "Of course Trump is terrible, but." The "but" is an example of Democratic perfidy. There is no "but"! Insisting one exists is creating an equivalence.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2019 11:51 (six months ago) link

glenn greenwald takes “high on his own farts” to new levels

maura, Friday, 19 April 2019 12:48 (six months ago) link

shut up, foreign asshole

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, April 19, 2019 6:38 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol thought for a second you were turning on greenwald

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Friday, 19 April 2019 12:51 (six months ago) link

hahaha c'mon doc, glenn greenwald is like 10 gajillion times more sanctimonious/patronizing/disingenuous than fred b. fuck him.

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Friday, 19 April 2019 13:42 (six months ago) link

FPed you for that comment Morbs. I get you guys butt heads all the time, but that's getting into some ugly xenophobic territory.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 April 2019 13:46 (six months ago) link

I cannot tell a lie, I LOL'ed.

Do you like 70s hard rock with a guitar hero? (Tom D.), Friday, 19 April 2019 13:49 (six months ago) link

Can we agree that Karl Malone is a welcome beacon of comparative sanity itt?

moist owlette (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:13 (six months ago) link

getting into some ugly xenophobic territory.

glad you got the joke, genius

but i'll see you poltics guys just b4 the Iowa caucuses, ta

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:17 (six months ago) link

and Soto, u read the fucking NRO, pick yr pariahs more consistently

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:18 (six months ago) link

I study Greenwald and NRO like pathogens.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:20 (six months ago) link

lol, as a longtime lurker if i actually thought morbs could step away i would be pissed. the levels of sanctimony and self-righteousness his pseudo-retweets provoke is truly wonderful.

also, glennwald can be a truly odious prick and correct on this one issue, which it kinda seems like he is (on both counts)

sovereignty flight, Friday, 19 April 2019 14:25 (six months ago) link

Morbs, this type of "humor" is far less amusing than you may think.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:26 (six months ago) link

"Making people laugh is the lowest form of comedy." - Michael O'Donoghue

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:30 (six months ago) link

Yeah, I liked that quote a lot when I was a nihilistic teenager, too.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:34 (six months ago) link

"Making people laugh is the lowest form of comedy."

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:36 (six months ago) link

Ilxor itself was relatively split on the merits of impeachment

Impeach Trump Y/N

anvil, Friday, 19 April 2019 14:37 (six months ago) link

I'm in favor of impeachment, but I'm also fine with Putin deciding Trump is no longer of value and slipping some polonium into his KFC.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2019 14:51 (six months ago) link

but i'll see you poltics guys just b4 the Iowa caucuses, ta
.

^ thinks the Mets will still be pleasantly distracting until then :/

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 15:01 (six months ago) link

constantly threatening to leave a thread that you’ve single-handedly turned unreadable is the purest form of comedy

iatee, Friday, 19 April 2019 15:29 (six months ago) link

trump said the report was "total bullshit" today

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 15:48 (six months ago) link

tbf he's an expert in total bullshit

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 19 April 2019 15:50 (six months ago) link

trump said the report was "total bullshit" today

And apparently reached orgasm and passed out right after, because that tweet ends with an ellipse that's never picked up in the next one.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2019 15:52 (six months ago) link

the more i get a chance to dig into the mueller report, the more slimy barr's pre-emptive press conference yesterday morning seems. he completely distorted the tenor of the report, and he did so before anyone could call him out on it because it wasn't even released yet. what a fucking asshole

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:09 (six months ago) link

If impeachment isn't a valid option in this instance I don't understand why it exists as an option at all.

impeachment is only an option when the opposing political party has at least 67 members in the senate, as the founding fathers intended

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:13 (six months ago) link

failing that, all consequences for being the slimiest human in the executive branch must be deferred until after the subsequent presidential election, when the enlightened masses have had their say

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:14 (six months ago) link

Trump spazzing on twitter all morning about the report seems to hint that the shifting narrative on this away from 'total exoneration' to 'actually no.... should probably go to congress' is rattling him.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 16:19 (six months ago) link

all consequences for being the slimiest human in the executive branch must be deferred until after the subsequent presidential election, when the enlightened masses have had their say they can be forgotten about because we must "look forward"

Simon H., Friday, 19 April 2019 16:20 (six months ago) link

we must issue pre-emptive pardons to the entire trump administration so that we can look forward. we must manufacture our own blinders and then tend to them. there is no present or past, only the exponential future

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:32 (six months ago) link

bloop beep doop 0101

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:32 (six months ago) link

Yes I melted your entire family but let us look together upon the promise of a new day

It's the narcissism. Exonerate or no, the smartest thing he could do is just let it slide. But he can't do that, so he will keep bringing it up again again again. The guy on the TV yesterday expressed amazement at how close he came to cooking up an obstruction charge all by himself, digging the hole deeper again and again even as those around him kept filling the dirt back in.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 April 2019 16:42 (six months ago) link

So the report that he yesterday claimed exonerated him, today is bullshit?

Bummer - time for a second investigation then.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:42 (six months ago) link

popping in to register my appreciation of Morbs’ consistent cultural touchstones

mh, Friday, 19 April 2019 16:48 (six months ago) link

Impeachment is only for presidents who shoot someone on 5th Avenue iirc.

Third Avenue is fair game

moist owlette (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 April 2019 16:59 (six months ago) link

If impeachment isn't a valid option in this instance I don't understand why it exists as an option at all.

The convention that wrote the constitution struggled with this, too. They were fixated on the English example, that found no better method to resolve a deep conflict between the legislative and executive than to behead the king and fight a bloody civil war. The founders' eventual compromise was to make the grounds for impeachment very open-ended, but conviction hard to accomplish. They were dissatisfied with this 'solution', but could think of nothing better.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:02 (six months ago) link

If impeachment isn't a valid option in this instance I don't understand why it exists as an option at all.


impeachment is only an option when the opposing political party has at least 67 members in the senate, as the founding fathers intended


No! The house can impeach. It takes the senate to convict.

There is no longer any reason not to impeach the president. You do it because it’s the right thing to do, and the R senators who do not vote to convict will be tacitly, and officially, condoning his behavior. They can choose to run on that if they want.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:07 (six months ago) link

a big argument against impeachment is the political risk, but i don't see it, not now. if anything it seems politically advantageous for democrats, now that the mueller report is out. if the house impeaches, the senate holds a trial and the very obviously guilty donald trump's slimy behavior is the news for several months, and the GOP embrace of trump will either grow tighter or looser - either way leading to negative political consequences, imo

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:10 (six months ago) link

exactly

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:12 (six months ago) link

you'd think that would work, Karl, but Trump's slimy behavior was no secret in 2016, nor was the GOP full embrace of Trump and their blind eye to his sliminess. we've come a long way down that road since then and nothing ever seems to change in regards to Trump's immunity from his own toxic bacteria.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:19 (six months ago) link

It's not clear Trump really won in 2016, it's sounding more and more like a number of battleground states had their results fiddled with by Russian hackers. That election was likely stolen. The Mueller report itself addresses this.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:22 (six months ago) link

Aimless I’m not sure this is true any longer

Every aspect of the report is going to be publicly scrutinized by subpoena now, on TV.

A vote not to convict also risks siding w/ the defense in SDNY in the coming months.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:23 (six months ago) link

I don’t think obv that they could get 2/3 but they can box in a lot of purple-staters

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:27 (six months ago) link

p4reene on impeachment:

Democrats who preemptively declare impeachment off the table are mistakenly (or intentionally) conflating one possible end result of the impeachment process for the process itself. The Republican members of Congress who voted to open an impeachment inquiry into Nixon’s conduct didn’t necessarily want it to end in his removal from office; even up until his resignation it was an open question whether there were enough votes in the Senate to remove him. They were trying to get at the truth about the administration’s actions, and using impeachment to gather evidence. (They didn’t even limit themselves to Watergate. The committee eventually also voted on whether to impeach Nixon for the illegal bombing of Cambodia and for failure to pay taxes.)

As Patrick Blanchfield says, impeachment, even if it “fails” in the Senate, is a chance to take a moral stand against corruption and unaccountable elites. As Jeff Hauser writes, it is a chance to weave the disparate (and quickly forgotten) scandals of the entire Trump presidency into a single narrative that the easily distracted (and even more easily spun) mainstream press can follow.

The problem is, Hoyer apparently doesn’t want to do those things. What Hoyer and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (who ruled out impeachment well before anyone read the Mueller Report) want is to write op-eds about how many bills they are passing, despite the fact that those bills (like, uh, impeachment) will never get through the Senate.

Democratic leadership seemingly believes that the party can’t let its candidates campaign on promises to materially improve the lives of voters while also letting its elected officials carry out the responsibilities of their offices. They also believe, deep in their bones, that the country is not on their side. They believe going after Trump too directly will stir his mighty base, rather than imagining that full and transparent investigations into his various fraudulent and corrupt activities may demoralize his staunchest supporters—just as Trump himself was demoralized at the prospect of Mueller’s investigation—while also persuading those people who aren’t already in the cult of MAGA that this administration, and the party that abets it, need to be soundly defeated.

https://newrepublic.com/article/153629/democrats-hoping-dont-understand-impeachment-entails

Simon H., Friday, 19 April 2019 17:31 (six months ago) link

They also believe, deep in their bones, that the country is not on their side.

what about in their brains?

idiots

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:41 (six months ago) link

I don't know whether rapidly proceeding to impeachment would hurt Trump's chances for re-election compared to using House committees to investigate and publicize his misdeeds with no formal commitment to proceed to impeachment. I do know that if articles of impeachment are brought to a vote in the House and pass, no further political issues will receive a single moment of media attention for the rest of 2019. That includes M4A, GND, and every other policy on the progressive wish list.

After Trump is not convicted by the Senate, not only would he sell this as complete exoneration, but the 2020 election would be fought on the issue of whether the Democrats had overreached their just powers by attempting to overturn Trump's election through impeachment, which you can't trust the voting public to answer as you would like them to. I think it is safer ground to fight the election on whether Trump is a good president who is steering the country in the right direction.

That said, I hate that political expediency is going to override civic responsibility. He has committed offenses for which he ought to be removed from office. But there is no national appetite for impeachment and for now Pelosi is reading the country correctly. To impeach, that fundamental political fact must change.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:43 (six months ago) link

I think it is safer ground to fight the election on whether Trump is a good president who is steering the country in the right direction.

that's the thing, though - a large part of the argument that Trump is not a good president is that he has repeatedly acted in ways which are impeachable. But if that's the case, why didn't they impeach him?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 17:49 (six months ago) link

Democrats who preemptively declare impeachment off the table are mistakenly (or intentionally) conflating one possible end result of the impeachment process for the process itself.

I'm sayin'. Some people act like impeachment is like a presidential ejector seat. I just want to see the fucker get grilled on the record, for chrissakes.

As I said, if you want impeachment, Congress is first going to have to lay a solid factual groundwork, with a convincing narrative. Up until yesterday, the full contents of Mueller's findings were a closely held secret. People could read Trump's tweets, or WaPo and NYT articles based on investigative reporting and leaks by non-Mueller lawyers, and everything was contested or speculative. That clouds the facts.

Congress needs to push the facts further into the open and pound them into the public mind before impeachment can get off the ground. Jumping straight to articles of impeachment will instantly draw battle lines based on where the public stands as of today and freeze most voters into their present position. More people need to be on your side of the battle before the real shooting starts.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2019 18:02 (six months ago) link

Yeah, by that standard, impeachment or censure for their own sake sounds good. Question: if a pres is impeached does it *automatically* go to the Senate, or can Mitch just say fuck it?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 April 2019 18:03 (six months ago) link

Mitch could delay it, but if he stonewalled it, it would be a HUGE gamble and basically break the system entirely.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2019 18:05 (six months ago) link

If there are impeachment proceedings could they get trump to testify in front of congress in an open setting?

Trϵϵship, Friday, 19 April 2019 18:08 (six months ago) link

The stupidest piece of nonsense was the face that mueller didn’t subpoena trump. “Afraid it would delay the investigation” — the thing already took twelve years

Trϵϵship, Friday, 19 April 2019 18:09 (six months ago) link

If Democrats & Republicans agreed on one thing it was that Mueller was a straight shooter and that they'd accept whatever came down in the report. Even the White House (idiotically) championed the report after Barr intentionally misled the press and claimed exoneration before anyone had read it. I get that there's nothing really ~new~ here, but the right can no longer hide behind the "FAKE NEWS" or "WITCH HUNT" defense, not only was it all true but there is a clear and consistent pattern of Trump lying to everyone about everything and misleading the country. Impeachment won't succeed but you need to get everyone in Congress on the record, right now: are they willing to condone lying, traitorous behavior, and selling out their country to save face and remain in power? Any Dems who think this will galvanize the GOP is insane. They're not acting on a Buzzfeed article or a mysterious dossier. They're not still "reeling" from the 2016 election. The only people who are gonna revolt against this are the ones who were voting Trump in 2020 anyway. It's time for them to finally do their damn jobs.

frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2019 18:12 (six months ago) link

sorry to ask pointless questions that cannot be answered, but in this case, i must:

what are the chances that trump has read more than 25% of the mueller report?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 18:38 (six months ago) link

a HUGE gamble and basically break the system entirely.

hmm, doesn't sound like Mitch McConnell

blokes you can't rust (sic), Friday, 19 April 2019 18:40 (six months ago) link

there is no chance Trump has read an entire page of the Mueller report

blokes you can't rust (sic), Friday, 19 April 2019 18:40 (six months ago) link

Seriously. Unless someone tweeted it at him page by page, it'll never happen.

the role seth abramson was was born to play

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Friday, 19 April 2019 18:51 (six months ago) link

Hoyer is my representative because he’s a gerrymandering little fuck and I plan on calling his office and harassing him as much as I can without getting arrested

Heez, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:08 (six months ago) link

I just saw my first piece about how bad the Mueller report is ... for Obama. Didn't read it, but can't imagine there aren't more coming, because of course.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:21 (six months ago) link

yep but hey let's just wait around and see what the voters think about after a year and a half of this shit

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 April 2019 19:24 (six months ago) link

I suppose the reason the Dems should hammer hard is that if they don't the GOP will fill the void with bullshit.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:26 (six months ago) link

xpost that's on CNN right? started reading it, stopped, but the point it made was slightly true, which was that Obama could have been more forceful on Russia than telling Putin to cut it out in 2016. Not sure if it mentions what a shit show that would have been for Obama though as it would have looked like his administration was interfering in the election on Clinton's behalf, which you know is what the Trump campaign would have screamed. Lose/lose situation for the Obama admin.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:28 (six months ago) link

mitch mcconnell forcefully intervened to delay and weaken the obama administration's response to Putin's election meddling, as it was happening, before the election

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 19 April 2019 19:29 (six months ago) link

written by some Bush/Mitch dude, so fuck it.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:30 (six months ago) link

Speaking of people who are not Donald Trump, but are still absolutely human garbage:

Rep. Matt Gaetz hires ex-White House aide ousted for white nationalist ties

Rep. Matt Gaetz — one of President Donald Trump’s most avid supporters in Congress — has hired a former White House speechwriter who was forced out last year amid scrutiny over his ties to white nationalists.

The Florida Republican announced Friday that former Trump administration aide, Darren Beattie, will join his Capitol Hill office.

“Very proud to have the talented Dr. Darren Beattie helping our team as a Special Advisor for Speechwriting. Welcome on board!” Gaetz tweeted Friday.

Beattie was fired from the White House in August 2018 after reports that he had delivered remarks at a 2016 conference, dubbed an “active hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center, alongside a well-known white nationalist, Richard Spencer.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 19 April 2019 19:32 (six months ago) link

As for Pete's graphics: those are cool and I really like them. Best campaign graphics since Obama's. But I don't think design won Obama's campaign for him and it won't win Pete's for him either. I'm leaning heavily toward him for many reasons not only hooked to stated policy, some of them important (I think it's very important to have a gay candidate with so much support) and some of them irrational (I just like a guy who likes Ulysses, ok?), but that doesn't mean I don't want firm policies from him. I do. He needs to start outlining what all of them are.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:43 (six months ago) link

but like John Mulaney's bit about Trump/Horse loose in the hospital, there's a part of me that is lazy and would like to go back to not worrying about the presidency because the person in the office is smart and seems good at their job.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:44 (six months ago) link

sorry I think this was meant for the dem candidate thread. see I'm all confused now.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 19:46 (six months ago) link

The severity of this misconduct demands that elected officials in both parties set aside political considerations and do their constitutional duty. That means the House should initiate impeachment proceedings against the President of the United States.

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) April 19, 2019

niiiiiiice

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2019 20:23 (six months ago) link

president liz <33333

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Friday, 19 April 2019 20:24 (six months ago) link

booming post girl!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 April 2019 20:40 (six months ago) link

Disappointed that the Mueller Report has not confirmed my hypothesis that Trump appears in public wearing an overcoat so often because he's gotten too fat to fit into a lot of his suit jackets

— The Discourse Lover (@Trillburne) April 19, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:03 (six months ago) link

the kind of cowed, insecure, oh-no-how-will-it-look posture that typifies Dem leadership was exemplified by Obama pulling punches on original Russia intel. It backfired because OF COURSE IT DID.

Like, what kind of narrative do they continue to imagine will fill the void every time they fail to assert their own?

But no reason to expect anything different w/r/t impeachment

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:51 (six months ago) link

Go Liz!

Hopefully this will pull some other candidates along

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 21:52 (six months ago) link

joseph fucking smith what a dip

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:32 (six months ago) link

it’s better than nothing

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:36 (six months ago) link

That's great of Romney but what's he going to do about it? Primary Trump, or leave the GOP, or support impeachment...do something other than complain.

akm, Friday, 19 April 2019 22:37 (six months ago) link

the answer as always is sweet fuck-all

Simon H., Friday, 19 April 2019 22:41 (six months ago) link

-Bob Dylan

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 19 April 2019 22:45 (six months ago) link

If he wags his finger sternly enough I'm sure Trump will feel duly chastened.

i'm finally getting a chance to read the mueller report. decided to skip straight to vol 2, and i'm only about 20 pages in. i don't know how anyone could read this and not think he's guilty as hell, but no one's going to actually read it. i keep thinking of the mom in the 6th sense when everyone figures out she's been poisoning her own kid and they stare at her in horror. but in the world we live in, the proof is in a report instead of a VHS, and no one's going to read it

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:47 (six months ago) link

I skimmed it a bit and it doesn't really offer anything super new as far as I can tell? All the links between his people and Russians with links to the Russian gov have been reported on. Obviously all written down in one big report it looks v damning but there's also no proof of any crime by trump - which will be the take away for his fans.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:55 (six months ago) link

How keystone cops his people are is v funny. Papadopolous telling a foreign diplomat that the trump campaign had been told by the Russians that they had dirt on Clinton and that person then going to the fbi 😂

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 00:57 (six months ago) link

but there's also no proof of any crime by trump

this isn't true, though. there's plenty of it (read the executive summary of vol 2). the key is that approach, by design, could NOT find that the president had committed crimes. just check out these bits from the intro, where they "describe the considerations that guided our obstruction-of-justice investigation":

https://i.imgur.com/QunL3us.png

https://i.imgur.com/62l8JnG.png

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:03 (six months ago) link

Mueller: "we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes."

world: "mueller did not find that the President committed crimes!"

https://i.imgur.com/pBcY7eN.png

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:06 (six months ago) link

Oh yeah wrt obstruction sure.but we also knew that right? E.g. reports of him asking if he could fire Mueller etc.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:08 (six months ago) link

These were all things previously spun as "fake news" and usually from anonymous sources and are now confirmed as legit.

The "i'm fucked" thing was new

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:09 (six months ago) link

Plus it sounded more like telling - not asking - ppl to fire him and they just didn’t

Heez, Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:11 (six months ago) link

Xp. Yes and now they're spun as "Mueller report did not find proof of criminal activity" and the status quo remains.the only hope that it'll have any effect is the other investigations that are ongoing

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:11 (six months ago) link

It's basically the Saturday Night Massacre if Robert Bork had said "fuck you, Dick!"

Xpost right wing media and talking heads were going to say that even if the report was a snuff film. The reaction by idiots to the report shouldn't be the rubric the report is judged by.

Also it's not that he found no proof, it's that he found insufficient proof and he started with the assumption that you can't indict a sitting President and worked backwards from there

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:14 (six months ago) link

I mean when the Barr summary was all we had, Trump and co never left message that he was exonerated and he even offered kind words to Mueller.

That he's now resumed throwing a shitfit over the report means he's reacting because even an idiot like him can smell that the narrative is shifting.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:16 (six months ago) link

oh my god Romney

"I'm sickened by the President's dishonesty and willingness to sell out his country. Thank God he got away with it."

frogbs, Saturday, 20 April 2019 01:37 (six months ago) link

Although folks seem to like waving it to the crowds like a letter guaranteeing Peace In Our Time, it's pretty obvious that the "I'm fucked" quote refers to the fact that he expects the investigation to completely hamstring his agenda as President, rather than being a tacit admission of guilt. Hard to imagine 2-scoops expecting he would have to suffer consequences for his actions under any circumstances.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:44 (six months ago) link

does trump have an "agenda as president"?

not being flip, I just don't know what that would be. His agenda seems limited to agitating and inflaming his base in order to play the hero and enrich himself.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 20 April 2019 03:08 (six months ago) link

And by 'agenda' I assume you mean 'sitting around in his underwear and screaming at the tv for 2/3 of any given day'. Which, thankfully, proved to he relatively unhampered by the investigation.

He’s happily carrying out McConnell and the Federalist Society agenda of putting young rightwing extremists on the Federal courts, and he’s doing his best to make $ for himself and fellow rich people, and to ease regulation on his corporate buddies.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:09 (six months ago) link

“what can my cuntery do for me?”

estela, Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:36 (six months ago) link

<3

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 April 2019 04:49 (six months ago) link

His agenda is personal enrichment.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 20 April 2019 05:21 (six months ago) link

Lol estela

Vinnie, Saturday, 20 April 2019 07:44 (six months ago) link

Is Rosenstein firmly committed to being on the wrong side fo history? I thought he was teh protector of this report being researched for the last 2 years so why is he palling with the people trying to suppress it.

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 April 2019 09:16 (six months ago) link

I dunno! You could ask him and let us know - 📞 +1 (202) 514-2000

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:46 (six months ago) link

oh really more self congratulatory wank, no wonder i tend to ignore you

Stevolende, Saturday, 20 April 2019 10:50 (six months ago) link

i know it's pointless to mention this, but seriously, anyone who says the mueller report indicates that the president did not obstruct justice did not read the report. it is impossible to read the report, or read the conclusions of someone who faithfully read the report, and come to that conclusion. the report's section on obstruction (vol 2, literally half of the report) shows over and over and over again exactly how he obstructed justice.

it is driving me nuts. it isn't just the predictable rightwing reaction ("total exoneration", head in the sand/fingers in the ears). relatively well-meaning people are also getting this, frankly, COMPLETELY WRONG.

the most commonly held view on all of this (afaict) is something like "they came up with some evidence on obstruction of justice but it wasn't enough to come to a clear conclusion." that is the shorthand, NPR-style 15-second update on the matter, and also one that i see and hear dejected trump-haters spouting as well. again - that is COMPLETELY WRONG. if you hear or watch people presenting that view - they did not repeat the report. it is not a matter of interpretation or bias. it is just wrong. please, if you hold that view, take a solid 45 minutes out of your day and read the introduction to Vol 2, and skim through the factual section.

the 2+2=5 is very very strong in the world today, it is bewildering

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 20 April 2019 16:50 (six months ago) link

The accurate summary is "they came up with all kinds of evidence of obstruction of justice, but since a sitting president can't be indicted, they decided not to make a flat 'he obstructed justice' statement, instead choosing to leave it in the hands of a feckless, cowardly, and hopelessly partisan Congress and hope for the best."

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 20 April 2019 16:53 (six months ago) link

It's go back up 3% if he's able to hold his farts for a week.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 20 April 2019 17:34 (six months ago) link

In the absence of either Roger Stone or Assange becoming cooperative witnesses, I accept that Mueller was unable to prove criminal conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the DNC hackers and their Russian backers. Too bad. The evidence of obstruction of justice has been both obvious and voluminous since roughly forever, but I never thought either this or the last Congress would remove him from office based on that charge.

I still think that investigators - federal or congressional - need to get deep into exposing his financial crimes before the tide would turn on Trump and he'd lose a good chunk of his own party. Barring some big breaks in that wall, there's probably not enough time before the election to successfully remove Trump.

The better course would be to defeat Trump's narrative of innocence and exoneration, and replace it with a narrative of culpability, venality, lying and incompetence, especially if the House Judiciary committee can get its hands on the evidence that Mueller used to spawn 14 ancillary criminal investigations and open out the conversation from just the Mueller Report and Russia.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:38 (six months ago) link

adding to that last thought, the Republicans benghazied Hillary fore and aft without ever having to risk a move as fraught with dangers as impeachment, so you know that pounding away at a narrative through congressional investigations can undermine public confidence pretty thoroughly, even when there's not much evidence to work with.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 20 April 2019 18:49 (six months ago) link

what a shame that this innocent man is surrounded by all these criminals

StanM, Saturday, 20 April 2019 19:04 (six months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/i7VnNcK.png

your messageboard argument prompt for easter sunday

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 14:38 (six months ago) link

this HOM in the Glossary is Hannity, right?

https://i.imgur.com/uPOsTfx.jpg

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 22:30 (six months ago) link

hahaha

can i share that picture on FB?

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:06 (six months ago) link

Sure but I’m going to feel silly if it turns out to be Jim Harbaugh

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:15 (six months ago) link

it could be someone whose name is literally "Harm to Ongoing Matter"

buttigieg play the blues (crüt), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:18 (six months ago) link

looooool

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 21 April 2019 23:24 (six months ago) link

Katherine pointed that out right after the report was released. I thought at first there was something to the fact that HARM fits right there too until she pointed out the same acronym exactly where Kavanaugh would go

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 22 April 2019 01:00 (six months ago) link

there’s another HOM spot that is obviously Roger Stone

mh, Monday, 22 April 2019 04:01 (six months ago) link

Rep. Ilhan Omar: Legalize marijuana everywhere, expunge records of those jailed for pot offenseshttps://t.co/3XCQ8p18Hr pic.twitter.com/6JqX9JfD2e

— Newsweek (@Newsweek) April 20, 2019

Clearly this is the latest step in her plan to destroy America from within.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2019 11:09 (six months ago) link

no one will notice that the pot brownies are laced with sharia law

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2019 13:34 (six months ago) link

Rudy Giuliani declared on Sunday that President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort had been nearly “tortured” in jail as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and referred to one of Mueller’s lead prosecutors as a “hit man” before walking back both comments.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 22 April 2019 14:08 (six months ago) link

so manafort... wasnt tortured

"I love them. I know they like me too. It's the egg farmers of this country, the egg farmers," Trump says at the White House Easter Egg Roll.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) April 22, 2019

AND THEY'RE FARMIN EGGS WHILE THE SLAVES ARE ALL WORKIN

mookieproof, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:08 (six months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4xCOfgWsAAjXhm.jpg

mookieproof, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:11 (six months ago) link

I was about to post that picture!

all Trump appearances should have him flanked by a costumed character. really helps set the right tone

mh, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:12 (six months ago) link

how can someone with servants have the "oh shit i left the iron plugged in" look that melania has in that photo

maura, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:12 (six months ago) link

Does this make Melania a mushroom farmer?

Yerac, Monday, 22 April 2019 15:15 (six months ago) link

all Trump appearances should have him flanked by a costumed character. really helps set the right tone

― mh, Monday, April 22, 2019

what a mean thing to write about Melania

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2019 15:16 (six months ago) link

I'd never imply that Melania has any discernible sense of character

mh, Monday, 22 April 2019 16:16 (six months ago) link

Not in public, at least.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:25 (six months ago) link

The Giuliani/Tapper clip is getting replayed on local news here. I choose to take that as a good sign.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 16:35 (six months ago) link

NEW: The US is threatening to veto a UN Security Council resolution because it talks about giving sexual and reproductive health support to victims of rape in conflict. https://t.co/xI2MsA9Oyo

— Julian Borger (@julianborger) April 22, 2019

mookieproof, Monday, 22 April 2019 21:28 (six months ago) link

Now here's a development I did not see coming, yet it's weirdly predictable.

Holy fuckin shit. This was a pop up ad on an article I was reading for a strip club in my town. He’s appearing at strip clubs. For $25 dollars. Lmao pic.twitter.com/4TNNF5Agxz

— Matt (@WhoCare6969) April 22, 2019

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 22 April 2019 23:13 (six months ago) link

We already know he's got the G-strings...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 22 April 2019 23:14 (six months ago) link

And he's gotta split the $25 with the "Manhattan Madam"!

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2019 23:34 (six months ago) link

How much extra to make the Nixon tattoo smile and frown, I wonder.

nickn, Monday, 22 April 2019 23:36 (six months ago) link

and for good measure:
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/22/easter-egg-roll-trump-border-wall-1286361

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 14:12 (six months ago) link

too on the nose, donny, too on the nose.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 14:26 (six months ago) link

this little girl came up to me, she was eating a peep, said Paul Krugman, of the Fake News New York Times, has lost all credibility

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 14:31 (six months ago) link

But while views of Trump have tumbled since the publication of Robert Muller’s redacted report, so has support for impeaching him. Only 34 percent of voters believe Congress should begin impeachment proceedings to remove the president from office, down from 39 percent in January. Nearly half, 48 percent, say Congress should not begin impeachment proceedings.

after release of the mueller report, of which even a cursory scan demonstrates the presidents obvious guilt and numerous obstructions of justice, bad intent, and that he's a fucking incompetent asshole, fewer people think he should be impeached. i don't think the reduction comes from a bunch of people coming to the conclusion that it's better practically or politically to avoid impeachment for now while continuing to investigate, etc etc - it comes from a bunch of people hearing "the release of the mueller report has lifted a dark cloud off the president", "the report did not identify criminal activity by the president", etc etc. fuck this country, fuck everyone who can't take 20 minutes to read

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:29 (six months ago) link

unrelated, but while i'm at it, fuck popular twitch streamers, too. god that shit is annoying

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:30 (six months ago) link

actually, I do know Dems and libs, not on this thread obsessing over Morning Psycho or all over Facebook, who would rather wait till 2020 and vote Trump out.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:31 (six months ago) link

actually, I do know Dems and libs, not on this thread obsessing over Morning Psycho or all over Facebook, who would rather wait till 2020 and vote Trump out.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:31 (six months ago) link

sure - i get that. that's what i meant by "i don't think the reduction comes from a bunch of people coming to the conclusion that it's better practically or politically to avoid impeachment for now while continuing to investigate, etc etc." but people with that view (a totally legit view, although not one i agree with) probably held that before the mueller report came out, so they're not the reason for a reduction in support for impeachment. surely the cascade of headlines and shitty, SHITTY reporting in the immediate aftermath of the report's release had more to do with it

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:36 (six months ago) link

sure, if you stuck around a day or two, long enough to hear about how there was actually some damaging stuff to trump in there, you might have come across some better reporting or hot takes from pundits. but you can't undo the damage of the failures in the immediate aftermath of the release, when by far the most people are paying attention

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:37 (six months ago) link

then again, his approval ratings have also (temporarily) declined, so what do i know

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:38 (six months ago) link

You thought the reporting last Thursday sucked? I thought it a huge improvement over last month's Barr memo farrago.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:40 (six months ago) link

trying to imagine a Hillary presidency under similar circumstances, with a Dem-controlled Senate, and Kevin McCarthy declining to open impeachment hearings for fear of ruffling feathers lol

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:41 (six months ago) link

You thought the reporting last Thursday sucked? I thought it a huge improvement over last month's Barr memo farrago.

agree with all of that

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:47 (six months ago) link

yeah it looked like the Beltway hacks, shamed by how Trump made them look like suckers, gritted their teeth last week.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:48 (six months ago) link

after the crisis of mass media journalism became apparent to all following WMDs and trump's election, everyone took a deep breath, did some soul searching, and then decided to suck even more badly asap

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:49 (six months ago) link

JuJu and Psycho Joe

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 16:57 (six months ago) link

pretty apparent that the media loves Trump the same way pharma companies love people getting addicted to opiates

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:01 (six months ago) link

Trump is the opiate of the asses

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:04 (six months ago) link

the suppository of all thing essentially american

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:17 (six months ago) link

e pluribus rectum

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:27 (six months ago) link

if you stuck around a day or two, long enough to hear about how there was actually some damaging stuff to trump in there

Yes but it was mostly stuff that every sentient mammal in the universe already knew.

Something like 33% of those mammals believe he is disqualified and should never have been allowed even close to power. They were not and are not persuadable.

Something like 33% of those mammals don't give a shit because he's doing what they want in government. This may encompass a wide range of things such as nominating conservatives to the bench, exerting downward pressure on immigration, deregulating, combating the MSM, or just plain causing LIBTEARS by existing.

The other approximate third is just not very engaged.

Exactly nothing in the report changed my mind about who Trump was, is, and ever shall be.

Did it change yours?

I am as anti-Trump as anyone here. Voluminously on record as such. But Mueller = dud in terms of breaking the current deadlock, as far as I can tell.

Personally I suspect that impeachment proceedings would have exactly the same lack of effect, but I would be happy to be proven wrong.

moist owlette (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 17:44 (six months ago) link

The McGahn stuff changed my mind, in a way, because it was worse than I even realized; I was just listening to the Daily, and it's telling that Giuliani et al came out swinging against McGahn post report when it was McGahn that prevented Trump from committing an even worse crime. McGahn makes a strong witness. And Team Trump knows that.

And Trump throughout comes off more like Richard Nixon than he ever could in his wildest dreams.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 18:06 (six months ago) link

YMP basically otm, though I don't think it divides into thirds--I think most of the unengaged still have an instinctual thumbs up/down response and you only see movement in a much smaller percentage. 538's approval tracker is really the only "reporting" you need on Trump's public perception: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

The comparisons with past presidents are especially instructive. People made up their minds about this guy in the first few months of his administration; it's pretty remarkable historically!

rob, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 18:58 (six months ago) link

Ultimately it's not about changing minds - that's what elections are for - it's about what to do with a trove of information that further affirms he's a crooked scumbag who makes America not great. I think the only answer is impeachment, if only to get the GOP on formal record as defenders of his shitheadery. Because if impeachment does not go forward, then the GOP will plow forward with its own reverse impeachment, and probably run on that, too. "Vote us back in and we will get to the bottom of this treason!" etc.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 19:03 (six months ago) link

It's true there's no real "bombshell" in the Mueller report per se, but rather it's a confirmation of all the bombshells that have dropped over the last 2 years, the stuff that Republicans have been yelling "Fake News!" and "Witch Hunt!" at the entire time. As though Russiagate = Pizzagate or something. As a GOP Congressman or Trump supporter you either go against your own law enforcement agencies or conclude that welcoming foreign help and directing everyone to lie to the country is actually fine. You can't just ride the fence anymore.

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 19:13 (six months ago) link

and yes, the media's handling of this was absolutely abysmal.

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 19:14 (six months ago) link

. As a GOP Congressman or Trump supporter you either go against your own law enforcement agencies or conclude that welcoming foreign help and directing everyone to lie to the country is actually fine

though, of course, they've been doing this ever since the inauguration, basically, with trump et al trying to discredit the intelligence community at every opportunity.

i was hoping, though, that the reaction to the mueller report would prompt some more awareness among conservatives of their cognitive dissonance. 2 straight years of trump attacking mueller and the very idea of being investigated, followed by 2 days of him praising mueller and the report and crowing 'total exoneration', followed by him saying 'total bullshit' when confronted with the reality that the entire second part of the report proves, over and over and over, in clear language, how he obstructed justice. i was really hoping that at least a few people would be able to recognize the bullshit this time around.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 23 April 2019 19:22 (six months ago) link

his approval rating's gone down 5 points, I guess some people are listening

of course this is why the Dems need to initiate impeachment proceedings now. make cowards like Mitt Romney put their names on the record. who cares if you rile up a bunch of Pizzagaters.

frogbs, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 20:30 (six months ago) link

Would hope that there would be a couple of impeachments due in a couple of weeks if not sooner. Barr himself has obstructed justice now.
Hearing the narrative about the Clinton impeachment backfiring on the Republicans is being reassessed and it actually helped tehm in the next election despite some chaos created by GOP higher ups being exposed as having affairs in the interim.

Would think the exposure of facts during an impeachment might be necessary for cleaning up the government and avoiding further repeats or similar behaviour.
Also sounds like its almost a duty written into the constitution for any occurrence of despotic behaviour like Trump thinks he's entitled to.

The idea of avoiding it cos it might cost votes sounds a bit like shrugging off a responsibility.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 23 April 2019 20:31 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFo1DfNdn9c

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 00:43 (six months ago) link

well done^

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 00:44 (six months ago) link

Politico playing the greatest hits this morning:

Pelosi, Schumer to meet with Trump on infrastructure next week

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 10:37 (six months ago) link

Yoooo let's get Hoyer the fuck out here!!!

I’m so excited to announce that I am running to represent Maryland’s 5th Congressional District!

— Mckayla Wilkes (@MeetMckayla) March 25, 2019

Heez, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:34 (six months ago) link

her platform is awesome, also

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:38 (six months ago) link

yeah gonna try to see her speak this wknd

Heez, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 13:46 (six months ago) link

...

Steve King says backlash to white nationalism comment was like what Jesus went through: https://t.co/Y9Qo2mXXh0 pic.twitter.com/nAPzZ17PH6

— The Daily Dot (@dailydot) April 24, 2019

person industrial complex (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:31 (six months ago) link

otm

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:33 (six months ago) link

Jesus was insufferable, wouldn't shut up, would execute again

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:43 (six months ago) link

Execution a little extreme, but make sure he can't vote

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 15:45 (six months ago) link

Jesús who?

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 18:35 (six months ago) link

lol so now there is another big scary caravan to talk about ? what happened to the last one

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 20:49 (six months ago) link

election campaign ended.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 24 April 2019 21:31 (six months ago) link

Clearly the last few years have demonstrated that Satan is on a roll.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 April 2019 13:55 (six months ago) link

NEW: We have reporting inside Twitter that explains why Jack hasn't "banned the Nazis:" Treating white supremacy like ISIS would mean autobanning some Republican politicians https://t.co/2VmUpqzM7p

— Jason Koebler (@jason_koebler) April 25, 2019


pic.twitter.com/pYs9Qq1f4m

— Jason Koebler (@jason_koebler) April 25, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 25 April 2019 16:34 (six months ago) link

How in the world did Erik Prince avoid a charge?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 April 2019 16:38 (six months ago) link

changed his name to Eric Academi. no one noticed.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 April 2019 16:41 (six months ago) link

US didn't pay it

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 25 April 2019 18:38 (six months ago) link

BREAKING: Federal judge agrees to release Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Hasson, who was accused of plotting terror attack by federal prosecutors. Judge says govt. has not charged him with terrorism and murder and doesn’t plan to, so no grounds to hold.

— justin jouvenal (@jjouvenal) April 25, 2019

uh

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 19:33 (six months ago) link

unreal

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:05 (six months ago) link

RESPECT THE TROOPS

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:07 (six months ago) link

sends a pretty clear message that it's okay to target the President's enemies

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:14 (six months ago) link

I know virtually none of the details surrounding this but I don’t think it’s crazy to worry that rightwing prosecutors and judges who are m/l sympathetic outright white supremacy are just going to start wildin out

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:21 (six months ago) link

‘start’

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:27 (six months ago) link

fair :-/

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:32 (six months ago) link

A WaPo story from Tuesday said "Hasson has been charged with illegal possession of unregistered and unmarked silencers, illegal possession of firearms by an unlawful user or addict of controlled substances, and simple possession of a controlled substance." It sounds like the judge agreed with Hasson's lawyers that he should be allowed bail on those charges. But he'll still go to trial.

Brad C., Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:53 (six months ago) link

i regret to inform you the whites are at it again

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 25 April 2019 20:55 (six months ago) link

Confused, I thought I read the crazy judge thought he did not automatically meet the conditions for detention, but it's still up to his defense lawyers to make a conditional case that or how he should be released. That is, it's not like he has or will be simply turned loose.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 25 April 2019 21:08 (six months ago) link

who the fuck are these assholes around Trump saying General Lee is their favorite general ? lol who even has a favorite general other than general Tso ?

Asked if he still thinks there were "very fine people" on both sides of the white supremacist rallies in Charlottesville, Trump says, "I was talking about people that went b/c they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E Lee. A great general, whether you like it or not" pic.twitter.com/D7O5vFWy29

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 26, 2019

what a joke he is a fucking joke

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:24 (six months ago) link

I am partial to General Electric, with General Mills as a close second.

Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:34 (six months ago) link

i like generals who don't etc

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:37 (six months ago) link

General Johnson imo

He's probably thinking of the car from Dukes of Hazzard. A very fine car.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 15:41 (six months ago) link

the march was explicitly about white supremacy not robert e lee statues

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:45 (six months ago) link

weird that he didn’t clarify that at the time, instead waiting until just after right-wing talking heads started using that as their revisionist excuse for what trump actually meant by ‘both sides

rly makes u think

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:52 (six months ago) link

also, for a guy who has repeatedly voiced his disdain for ‘losers’, it’s weird that he should hold robert e lee, a noted loser, in such high esteem

rly makes u think

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:55 (six months ago) link

xpost tbf he did say that at the time

"I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame object both on both sides. I have no doubt about it. You don't have doubt about it either. If you reported it accurately, you would say that the neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville. Excuse me. They didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis. You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. "

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 26 April 2019 15:56 (six months ago) link

fake news obv

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:11 (six months ago) link

I think a lot of people are overplaying their hand on the "very fine people" comment since the transcript doesn't really look so bad...its more to do with the occasion and timing of the remark, given Trump's one job was "don't make it look like you sympathize with the Nazis". he's said and done hundreds of horrible things since.

frogbs, Friday, 26 April 2019 16:18 (six months ago) link

^otm. Even Trump isn't dumb enough to publicly state he thinks some neo-nazis are very fine people.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:38 (six months ago) link

that is what he did! the people there "just" out of concern for the monument are fictitious. or are we going to start acting like "heritage" is *not* a gigantic code word scam for white supremacist revanchism?

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 April 2019 16:57 (six months ago) link

Maria Butina gets 18 months, deportation after time served.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/26/politics/maria-butina-sentencing/index.html

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 April 2019 17:28 (six months ago) link

that is what he did!

No, that's what you and many others perceived it as. Yes, he really thinks those people exist, not fictitious. I don't think any of them are "very fine people", but I also don't think the venn diagram of Neo-Nazis and people who get butthurt over Confederate statues is a perfect circe.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:05 (six months ago) link

He meant to say (as of this afternoon, rather) that he aimed his comment at statue people, but in 2017 the marches were happening, and, sorry, there's no other way to interpret it and his subsequent policy (including his Justice Dept's refusal to seek charges for the white terrorist yesterday) as anything other than endorsing white supremacy.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:11 (six months ago) link

are we really arguing about the intentions of a Gila monster with the brain of dry scrambled eggs

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:11 (six months ago) link

but it got condensed to "Trump called neo-nazis very fine people". and that just allows him and his followers to go "see?? more fake news! he clearly made a distinction!"

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:14 (six months ago) link

It sort of sucks but somehow there are people who have a long well-documented history of being absolutely foul and then somehow what really ends up sticking is some short phrase taken out of context which is quite possibly the 300th worst thing they ever said and which, were it the only foul thing they'd ever said, could reasonably be explained away as tone-deafness -- the quote that finally got steve king thrown off his committees was kind of like that, he really didn't say "what's so bad about white supremacy," except the thing is he kind of DID say that, over and over again, as a core part of his political identity, for many years, just not in those exact words, but no Republican said boo about it because it's only the lousy-sounding bite that forces then to briefly pretend to care.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

but it got condensed to "Trump called neo-nazis very fine people". and that just allows him and his followers to go "see?? more fake news! he clearly made a distinction!"

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger),

So? They do this anyway.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:27 (six months ago) link

right, I mean Trump has basically coasted on the fact that you can twist any soundbite or fact about him to sound a little more innocuous, and by the way how biased are you for even suggesting he'd mean it that way? even confessing to sexual assault on camera (and bragging about it, no less!) didn't kill him. I think Dems would be wise to focus a little less on all the dumb shit this guy says - he's essentially senile, who gives a shit???

frogbs, Friday, 26 April 2019 18:31 (six months ago) link

People's brains retain information in ways that have no special regard for accuracy or truth, but mostly relate to how that information will help them avoid pain or experience pleasure. Because for most people politics reside at the periphery of those concerns, the amount of attention they give to fine verbal distinctions made by politicians is close to nil. ILXors on the whole have more idle mental capacity than the average person, so we amuse our brains with such matters. In summation, we are freaks, but very nice, funny and intelligent freaks.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:33 (six months ago) link

ILXors on the whole have more idle mental capacity than the average person

in that they have easier jobs, maybe

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 April 2019 18:35 (six months ago) link

^ a sound and testable hypothesis, but not worth the effort of testing it.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:38 (six months ago) link

I'm reading student essays with an excess of passive voice and a habit of referring to sources by first name.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 April 2019 18:42 (six months ago) link

referring to sources by first name.


Lol

DJI, Friday, 26 April 2019 19:17 (six months ago) link

GD: idk abt neo-nazis and confederate statue whiners in general but the statement is about people *attending the right-wing white supremacist nazi rally* so i think the venn diagram is pretty fucking circular.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 April 2019 19:20 (six months ago) link

also yeah confederate statue whiners in general are on the nazi spectrum and are not very fine people, tho some may genuinely be just confused and misled teenagers writing essays about how they agree with Donald that heritage is important, IOW they don't know anything. but that's not who trump was speaking about.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 26 April 2019 19:22 (six months ago) link

I regret to inform you there are high capacity schadenfreude magazines in this story https://t.co/Yj7OcLagH3 via @TPM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 26, 2019

mark s, Friday, 26 April 2019 22:52 (six months ago) link

oh man don’t make me choose sides here guys

“Satan is not a fucking pogo stick!”, he howled. (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 23:00 (six months ago) link

This is absurd.

BREAKING VIDEO
Iowan confronts @ChuckGrassley about GOP's health care repeal “threatening her life”

His defense? Must see TV.

He says not to believe anything they're trying to do (repeal bills, overturn lawsuits) and just trust him that none will happenhttps://t.co/8YOrsyDO8I

— Jesse Ferguson (@JesseFFerguson) April 25, 2019

I can't tell if Grassley thinks he's getting one over on the audience or if can't even comprehend the meaning of his own words.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 27 April 2019 05:36 (six months ago) link

Sad lol even the person with the camera can barely keep quiet.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 April 2019 12:32 (six months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 April 2019 12:41 (six months ago) link

No it’s not! It’s not morning!
“Then why did you vote for the ‘it is morning right now, it is a good morning Act’ 7 times?”
That act was never going to pass

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 27 April 2019 14:53 (six months ago) link

the north will rise again

or will he

mark s, Saturday, 27 April 2019 15:35 (six months ago) link

Nope, he’s not running for NRA president again, he’s sinking

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 27 April 2019 15:38 (six months ago) link

usually the answer to “is that republican craven or just really dumb” is “yes”

maura, Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:40 (six months ago) link

We will never be rid of Reagan-era charlatans. Never.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 April 2019 20:48 (six months ago) link

godDAMN will someone please hit this dork with a 20' U-Haul truck

#FiveJobsIveHad 1. Grocery store clerk
2. Vocal soloist for church weddings
3. Chemist
4. Strike-replacement high school teacher
5. FBI Director, interrupted

— James Comey (@Comey) April 27, 2019

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:24 (six months ago) link

i like the replies

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:32 (six months ago) link

yeah the replies were cathartic

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:37 (six months ago) link

‘strike-replacement high school teacher’

so... a scab? this fuckin’ guy

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:37 (six months ago) link

oh, i see the replies have covered that extensively - good work twitter

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:38 (six months ago) link

‘strike-replacement high school teacher’

so... a scab? this fuckin’ guy

otm, who would ever do that, let alone admit to that

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:41 (six months ago) link

a republican cop

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:45 (six months ago) link

for some reason it just occurred to me that a lot of people probably agreed with reagan when he fired all of the striking air traffic controllers. christ what an asshole, and at least 1/3 of the country was probably like 'yer damn right'

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:49 (six months ago) link

disclosing unnecessary information in a self-owning way is kind of james comey's whole thing

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:50 (six months ago) link

at least 1/3 of the country was probably like 'yer damn right'

allow me to introduce my parents and 90% of extended family

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 27 April 2019 21:58 (six months ago) link

Hey it's me, Swing Voter, I value civility and open-mindedness and likability more than anything else, so if the Democratic candidate doesn't exhibit enough of those qualities to meet my liking, I will vote for literally the biggest lying piece of bigoted shit in the world.

— A.R. Moxon (read pinned tweet) (@JuliusGoat) April 28, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:26 (six months ago) link

We will never be rid of Reagan-era charlatans. Never.

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, April 27, 2019 3:48 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all men must die, except maybe kissinger

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:47 (six months ago) link

/‘strike-replacement high school teacher’

so... a scab? this fuckin’ guy/

otm, who would ever do that, let alone admit to that


eh let’s be reasonable, it’s not like you can just not have school, and everyone already knows that substitutes are abt 1/100th as effective as the teachers they’re filling in for (speaking as a union teacher)

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:50 (six months ago) link

otoh not sure why he’d go out of his way to point that out on twitter and i know frothing in indignation is the point of this thread so carry on i suppose

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:53 (six months ago) link

You can just not have school imo

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:58 (six months ago) link

Oh? Where will my students get ⅔ of their meals?

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 17:59 (six months ago) link

Should they just play in front of crack houses all day, or stay inside and watch tv?

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:00 (six months ago) link

you sound like a well meaning twitter left dilettante who knows nothing abt the realities of schooling imo

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:01 (six months ago) link

sorry abt shots fired but no, you can’t just not have school if you care abt kids

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:02 (six months ago) link

frothing in indignation is the point of this thread so carry on i suppose

...

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:03 (six months ago) link

yes! Proof it’s endemic and contagious in these threads right here

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:05 (six months ago) link

carry on!

*slithers off*

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:06 (six months ago) link

sorry abt shots fired but no, you can’t just not have school if you care abt kids

yah but are a lot of options between “leave children to the wolves” and “undermine people who care (maybe the most) deeply about kids”

rb (soda), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:27 (six months ago) link

otm

gbx, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:31 (six months ago) link

look sorry I got mad. I teach chem and physics. Ok sure, you can just not learn chem and physics I totally agree. But school is a lot more than science class. Here’s a not exhaustive list of things students in just my ap chem class rely on school for

— aforementioned breakfast lunch and afternoon snack
— safe place for children as young as 10 to be during day
— peace of mind for working parents of those children
— safe haven from ICE and CBP, DACA counseling
— health care (examples: free supplies for students with chronic health conditions such as diabetes, free feminine and sexual health products, free triage from school nurse for more serious acute conditions)
— mental health counseling (for students with depression, ptsd, etc)
— family therapy (esp popular with lgbtq students and survivors of domestic abuse)
— library
— internet access
— place to play sports
— work permits, financial aid

etc etc

I mean I have a kid whose bedroom is a walk in closet in a motel six. Where’s he gonna go if there is no school?

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:33 (six months ago) link

well as a union teacher I’ll tell you I wouldn’t strike if I thought the school would actually close during a strike and I don’t feel undermined by non union subs in the least

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:34 (six months ago) link

I forgot we also give out free clothes, provide public transport vouchers and have a food bank

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:36 (six months ago) link

this all is actually why I support teach-ins as opposed to strikes

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:40 (six months ago) link

you are otm and I’m sorry you have to explain this basic shit

brimstead, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:47 (six months ago) link

signed, s.o. of a middle school teacher

brimstead, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:47 (six months ago) link

it’s okay the one constant in public service is that everyone who doesn’t do it is an absolute expert on it

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:47 (six months ago) link

You can absolutely temporarily not have school, forcing the district to negotiate with the union. It also means that it won’t have to happen in the future if management realizes labor is willing to use its power.

Similar excuses can be made for all manner of scabbing and it’s never acceptable.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:55 (six months ago) link

There is also the tactic of the "rolling strike", where a subset of teachers walk out on successive days.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 April 2019 18:59 (six months ago) link

oh phew the experts are here

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:09 (six months ago) link

Yes rolling strikes are a thing, probably not as good a starting move as teach-ins imo, also yes sometimes as in w.va as a last resort general lockout strikes are necessary, i’ll agree w that

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:11 (six months ago) link

if you concede that last point, tlg, then what exactly are you arguing w ppl abt?

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:21 (six months ago) link

i support teach ins before strikes (not ruling out strikes) because children and families are stakeholders and teach-ins help them become educated about the issues so they can have a voice in the process (and so that we get the right verdict in the court of popular opinion)

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:23 (six months ago) link

xp well i suppose i don’t rightly know, carry on and peace out then, hopefully (for everyone) last time i make the mistake of checking in here

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:25 (six months ago) link

It would be interesting to now how many teachers are currently working in districts where the contract has expired, but school continues to operate as it normally would. From my observation, this seems to happen a lot.

My father was the president of his teacher's union when I was 11 years old. My mom was an officer in her teacher's union. Portland teachers came close enough to striking that year that the district sought and got a court injunction against it. Our family was carefully instructed what to do if both our parents were in jail. I can hardly say this makes me an expert of any sort. I was only 11 at the time, but I do come from a family filled with teachers, including the one I married. The profession is hardly opaque to me after many decades of shop talk at the dinner table.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:26 (six months ago) link

actually i do know, i’m arguing in favor of one’s right to be a scab and for the necessity of scabs, because all men are brothers and because it’s not always just about your personal interest, but fuck it who cares

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:27 (six months ago) link

xp thanks for aimsplaining it to me

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:27 (six months ago) link

Scabbing undermines brotherhood and the collective good.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:28 (six months ago) link

xp thanks for aimsplaining it to me

Imagine saying this after advertising your expertise in the face of all these other people who just don't get it.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:29 (six months ago) link

eh fuck off

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:29 (six months ago) link

aimsplaining it to me

jeez you're irritable. I was relating my personal history.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:31 (six months ago) link

you right, sorry

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:34 (six months ago) link

i thought the whole thing of being a scab is that you're prioritizing your personal interest over the collective?

fwiw my experience of this is limited to graduate worker organizing (TAs and RAs) so i imagine there's just tons that doesn't translate. but, TLG, i don't think anyone here is saying that if a union has planned and structured an action in such a way that *by design* classes will continue and that replacement teachers of some kind are part of the plan, that it would be bad to be a replacement teacher under the union's terms. (tho not knowing the ins and outs, it strikes me as weird to design a strike in such a way rather than either withholding teaching or arranging partial teaching on your own terms.)

but if the union's job action involves not teaching by design, then someone stepping in to teach and allow the boss to continue business as usual is being a scab and undermining the union's ability to bargain effectively for the collective....... right? or is your position not so much "i want to defend these scabs" as "i want to oppose this kind of strike for teachers' unions, because i think they're harmful to the students, and think instead they should only pursue job actions that has these kinds of limits/guarantees for the sake of the children?"

i really haven't followed a lot of teachers' strikes - have there been a lot that failed to address the kids' food needs, etc.? because that does seem like a real problem, and also a huge liability in terms of winning the public relations battle so it'd surprise me if that was a recurrent thing. but this could expose me as a total naïf.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:40 (six months ago) link

today in euphemisms

Fact check: At a rally on Saturday in Green Bay, Wisconsin, President Trump revived an inaccurate refrain about doctors “executing babies” https://t.co/Xc6JyVg5wh

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 28, 2019

mookieproof, Sunday, 28 April 2019 19:57 (six months ago) link

xp i know that in w va teachers packed bag lunches for kids using their own personal $$$

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:00 (six months ago) link

Idk I don’t have a union to my dismay but I support the right to strike for everyone including teachers, EMTs, home health aides, firefighters, and children. Kids to the pickets.

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:07 (six months ago) link

Anyway u know I’m a chaos agent just fp me

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:08 (six months ago) link

No kid of mine gonna cross the picket line if their teachers are striking (jk I won’t have kids)

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:09 (six months ago) link

late great: are you saying it should be illegal for teachers to strike because they provide a service that is essential to public welfare and safety? do you think the recent strikes in W. Va and LA were tactically or morally bad?

fwiw LAUSD managed to provide a safe space for kids to be, without hiring scab teachers, during their ~2 week strike in the second biggest school district in the country.

it wasn't easy, and it wasn't a great experience for the kids. but it's possible. and (in hindsight) pretty much the the entirity of LA thinks the strike was a huge success for the kids of LA (as evidenced by the insanely pro-union result in the one school board election since the strike).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 April 2019 20:53 (six months ago) link

here's an example of how this impacted parents (and obviously poor families were more impacted by most of this stuff): https://laist.com/2019/01/08/lausd_teachers_strike_guide_for_parents.php. you're right that striking isn't free. schools are community resources and if they close that hurts the community.

but look at the outcome of the LA strike! they'd already won the pay increase *before* they went on strike. the strike was about class sizes, libraries, nurses, counseling, etc. (see https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/01/23/the-striking-demands-of-la-teachers/).

TLG your list of essential things schools provide to the community was ... not being provided. your list was pretty much their list of things they were striking about.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 April 2019 21:02 (six months ago) link

i don't think it should be illegal for teachers to strike and i wouldn't want to draw analogies between what i do and what, say, air traffic controllers or cops or firefighters do

i don't think the strike in w.va (which lasted a day or two iirc?) was tactically or morally bad. i didn't think so at the time, either. i don't think the strike in LA was tactically bad, and i certainly wouldn't presume to call it immoral.

i wouldn't be comfortable with my school closing for two weeks, but if my school wasn't providing those services to my students then

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 21:27 (six months ago) link

then i might be

the late great, Sunday, 28 April 2019 21:28 (six months ago) link

tlg I appreciate yr take on things and your posts here even when I don't agree 100%

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:09 (six months ago) link

As opposed to some other regulars who post 100% garbage, reading this on mobile reminds me again why I use killfile.

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:11 (six months ago) link

🥺

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:18 (six months ago) link

dang

gbx, Sunday, 28 April 2019 22:30 (six months ago) link

Y'all --

Richard Lugar died, a bygone relic of an age of bipartisan contempt for liberals.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:31 (six months ago) link

he always reminded me of those battery people in the old Duracell commercials

brimstead, Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:44 (six months ago) link

He always reminded me of the battery powered fake people in those Duracell commercials

brimstead, Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:45 (six months ago) link

oops sprry

brimstead, Sunday, 28 April 2019 23:45 (six months ago) link

not gen a fan of Lugar, but he did tell Reagan that his indifference to South African apartheid was no longer tenable

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 April 2019 00:22 (six months ago) link

Knew it was too good to last.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 29 April 2019 00:23 (six months ago) link

don't be a Kamala, you dick

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 April 2019 00:27 (six months ago) link

As opposed to some other regulars who post 100% garbage, reading this on mobile reminds me again why I use killfile.

kudos. it must be interesting to have no sense of irony. come back again sometime to congratulate yourself on how it's those other people who post garbage.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 29 April 2019 02:44 (six months ago) link

Serious question tlg, are you aware that not all teachers are independently wealthy?

Dan I., Monday, 29 April 2019 12:36 (six months ago) link

good morning

Hey buddy, can you spare a dime? I know I messed up with #AnitaHill and a bunch of other stuff in the 100 years I’ve been in govt but I did say sorry to her even tho she doesn’t believe me. Whadaya say?? https://t.co/pSbAnYhi9s

— Padma Lakshmi (@PadmaLakshmi) April 29, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 29 April 2019 12:49 (six months ago) link

padma lakshmi,,, welcome to the #resistance

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 April 2019 12:53 (six months ago) link

He didn’t actually say sorry, he said he was sorry it happened to her

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 29 April 2019 13:42 (six months ago) link

dan i are you aware that i am not independently wealthy?

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2019 13:54 (six months ago) link

Oh cool, guess ur not the Stanford-educated dude who "doesn't technically have a trust fund" that I thought you were. I'll update the ol' jaymc.xls

Dan I., Monday, 29 April 2019 14:01 (six months ago) link

wow dude

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:11 (six months ago) link

i am stanford educated: one year, cost $70k, almost paid off after 10 years.

i worked 9-5 on saturday, after my 45 hr regular workweek. made $500 cash. that’s my trust fund.

get a life

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:13 (six months ago) link

I got a life. What I don't have is any inter-generational capital.

Dan I., Monday, 29 April 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:16 (six months ago) link

sorry dan i can’t hear you over the roar of my charter helicopter

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:17 (six months ago) link

I can't follow whose dick is out here.

Yerac, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:19 (six months ago) link

dan i is measuring my unjustly inherited and very large dick, so he can chop it up and distribute it to the poor

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:21 (six months ago) link

where'd you get the charter helicopter, a charter school???

Simon H., Monday, 29 April 2019 14:23 (six months ago) link

Robin Dick Hood

Yerac, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:24 (six months ago) link

xp HA

the late great, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:25 (six months ago) link

Richard Hood III Charter Helicopter School

El Tomboto, Monday, 29 April 2019 14:26 (six months ago) link

Dan I, protecting labor from the nefarious interests of poor starving children one ilx post at a time

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 29 April 2019 14:29 (six months ago) link

yeah, the good old "won't somebody think of the children" argument, always deployed in perfectly good faith

Dan I., Monday, 29 April 2019 14:37 (six months ago) link

at least it's already the 29th, maybe you guys will have this all out of your system in time for the May thread.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:01 (six months ago) link

one to watch imo. she should take feinstein's senate seat when feinstein is done doing nothing with it.

During my questioning, @jpmorgan CEO Jamie Dimon said he didn’t know if all my numbers were accurate. Here’s the math so he can check. pic.twitter.com/OIDkrWfASC

— Rep. Katie Porter (@RepKatiePorter) April 10, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 April 2019 19:29 (six months ago) link

yeah everything I've seen of her is super impressive. she's smart and doesn't give a fuck about confrontation with these assholes.

akm, Monday, 29 April 2019 19:36 (six months ago) link

love her

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 April 2019 19:42 (six months ago) link

she's very good

maura, Monday, 29 April 2019 19:50 (six months ago) link

Rosenstein out

thanks for your hard work shitstain

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 29 April 2019 21:33 (six months ago) link

Interesting piece on how the NRA's implosion could impact 2020.

The NRA played a big, big role in the 2016 election for Donald Trump, spending dramatically more than it had in previous elections. Part of that pivotal role was tied to the fact that the Trump campaign proper had little ground operation for the general election. The NRA basically supplied one. The organization spent $30 million supporting Donald Trump and over $55 million in total, according to formal reporting. These numbers have escalated dramatically over the last four election cycles. But the actual spending was likely far higher since a lot of its field organizing work doesn’t have to be reported.

It’s hard to imagine, as the incumbent, that Trump’s campaign will be similarly unprepared for 2020. But the NRA is still a critical part of the GOP’s coalitional apparatus. Between financial woes and serious legal problems, it’s hard to imagine they won’t be seriously distracted and hobbled through 2020 in parts of the country that are critical for President Trump’s reelection.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 29 April 2019 21:50 (six months ago) link

afaict the trump 2020 plan is to bet even more on facebook ads targetting old people in swing states. it's not a terrible plan, and it doesn't need the NRA.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 29 April 2019 21:58 (six months ago) link

maybe we can blow up facebook before 2020

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 29 April 2019 22:29 (six months ago) link

Rod Rosenstein resigning effective 5/11. A recent exchange I had with him:

Me: You quoted Donald Trump on respecting the rule of law. Seriously?
RR: It was a good quote.
Me: Do you think he believed it?
RR: [Pause]
Me: Do you?
RR: Those were good words.

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) April 29, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 29 April 2019 23:00 (six months ago) link

"Those Were Good Words" for May title.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 29 April 2019 23:24 (six months ago) link

"Both" "sides" in the NRA dispute are 100% pro-Trump, so I am not seeing how their internal turmoil could alter the electoral picture, sorry.

Pontius Pilates (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 April 2019 23:58 (six months ago) link

yeah, the good old "won't somebody think of the children" argument, always deployed in perfectly good faith

― Dan I., Monday, April 29, 2019 9:37 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uh in this case it's children going without meals, not some bogus moralizing. what bad faith argument do you think is being advanced here exactly?

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:03 (six months ago) link

Teachers need to organize to survive, and organization involves potentially striking. This is obvious to teachers who rely on their jobs for their survival. I’m fucking incredulous that anyone is taking this “kids starve if teachers strike” bourgeois concern trolling bullshit seriously. How many levels of false consciousness are you dorks on

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:11 (six months ago) link

ftr, there are millions of children eating both free breakfast and free lunch at public schools these days, because there are millions of children living in households below the poverty level.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:33 (six months ago) link

That’s true, and as mentioned upthread one of the things that teachers unions work to preserve

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:38 (six months ago) link

The Baylor University women's basketball team were apparently dragged to the White House today...they look super excited in this photo.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5WQVoZXkAENXj1.jpg:large

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:46 (six months ago) link

that is...wow

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:55 (six months ago) link

hahaha oh man.

there are pictures of the coach grimacing at the fast food too

akm, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:57 (six months ago) link

that's an amazing photograph

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 00:58 (six months ago) link

says everything

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:01 (six months ago) link

I'm the lady in the pink.

Perfect Leee Cromulent (Leee), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:20 (six months ago) link

I’m fucking incredulous that anyone is taking this “kids starve if teachers strike” bourgeois concern trolling bullshit seriously. How many levels of false consciousness are you dorks on

and the teachers in w va who packed bag lunches for their title I kids? how many levels of false consciousness are they on?

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:21 (six months ago) link

Teachers need to organize to survive, and organization involves potentially striking. This is obvious to teachers who rely on their jobs for their survival.

go fuck yourself

signed

union teacher who relies on two jobs to survive

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:23 (six months ago) link

concern trolling?

this is my day to day, you fucking gnat

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:25 (six months ago) link

xp don't think there is a single person who isn't sending a message in that picture

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:26 (six months ago) link

If you belong to a union then support union action dickhead!

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:30 (six months ago) link

Honestly they should kick you out you scab loving cretin

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:31 (six months ago) link

ok dan internationale, when I see u at the barricades ur gonna catch one to the jaw

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:32 (six months ago) link

also I’m a founding member of our schools union but sure I’ll talk to the rep abt getting myself kicked out

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:33 (six months ago) link

not sure why you guys are even arguing, you're for the most part on the same side

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:37 (six months ago) link

Kim Mulkey's grimace at the sight of a fast food spread for the Baylor Women's Basketball team's visit to the White House is worth a thousand words. pic.twitter.com/rXZ78UJ7ft

— Jay Sarkar (@ByJaySarkar) April 29, 2019

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:46 (six months ago) link

haha!

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:47 (six months ago) link

mainly i'm mad because dan is personally attacking me and mischaracterizing me.

but also we differ on our understanding of what it is to meaningfully support union action

mine has to do w. practical concerns as i am actively involved in teacher union organization

his has to do w/ unrestricted dunking rights on james comey on twitter

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:47 (six months ago) link

sheesh is that really what started this. I think i tuned in to the conversation halfway.

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:49 (six months ago) link

don't give a shit about comey

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:49 (six months ago) link

yeah. Dan I earned some FPs in the past 24 hours for sure.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:50 (six months ago) link

dude, ILX no longer has 51 users

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:52 (six months ago) link

l;ucky for you

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:52 (six months ago) link

i’m fucking incredulous that you don’t even know why you’re giving me a hard time

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:53 (six months ago) link

i’m arguing in favor of one’s right to be a scab and for the necessity of scabs

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:54 (six months ago) link

ilx still has mods and they still have discretionary powers. you may not be able to rely on the difficulty of getting 51'ed when you shit on other ilxors' heads. just sayin'.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:55 (six months ago) link

do mods love scabs too?

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:56 (six months ago) link

oh did that trigger you? what union are you in?

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:57 (six months ago) link

arguments like this are really disturbing

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:59 (six months ago) link

scabs are not necessary in every field, of course. i was speaking only about substitutes crossing picket lines.

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:00 (six months ago) link

It did kinda trigger me! It's a shocking thing to say!

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:00 (six months ago) link

if you’re a low skilled worker, like a fast food worker or a food processor, then yes i don’t think ppl should cross yr picket line.

teachers rely on relationships built over time, so our union is somewhat insulated against the effect of substitutes. as i said, they’re not really effective replacements.

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:02 (six months ago) link

I'm trying to understand your perspective. Do other members of your union think that scabbing is good? Would you say the things you've said in this thread out loud at a union meeting?

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:03 (six months ago) link

dan i, please shut the fuck up you sanctimonious butthole

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:04 (six months ago) link

suck my dick you cretin

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:04 (six months ago) link

(i really am trying to understand it, because it seems nonsensical to me)

xpost oh ok

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:04 (six months ago) link

i am a teacher in a union, too!!! BTWWWWWWWWW

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:04 (six months ago) link

i live in a state where i can be fired and lose my teaching certificate if i try to strike tho so maybe im not really in a union!!!!!

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:05 (six months ago) link

i said a lot more union skeptical things than that at our initial meetings like “do we even need a union right now” and you know what? in the end i still voted for the union

and when we discuss labor actions i speak for moderation and responsible use of power. and sometimes the vote doesn’t go my way! and when that happens i do what the union says. because i’m a union member: that’s my perspective

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:07 (six months ago) link

jesus, thank you for a straight answer.

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:09 (six months ago) link

suck my dick asshole

the late great, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:10 (six months ago) link

!?!?

Dan I., Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:10 (six months ago) link

you guys are both awful

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:15 (six months ago) link

Who needs Morbs

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:16 (six months ago) link

yikes y’all

maura, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:16 (six months ago) link

The fuck happened itt today, and without me around to shit it up even

sorry guys maybe this is my fault for posting Comey’s dumbass tweet. but whatever you think about “strike replacement teachers” I believe it’s important to remember: James Comey is a pompous self regarding fuckwit who might be as much to blame for the current situation as any one single person.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 03:20 (six months ago) link

as much to blame/ as

more to blame/ than

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 03:25 (six months ago) link

teachers rely on relationships built over time, so our union is somewhat insulated against the effect of substitutes. as i said, they’re not really effective replacements.

You keep coming back to this - if a district is so hostile to teachers (and... students) that strike action becomes necessary, why do you think the "effectiveness" of the subs matters to them?
If a district can get away with staffing with poorly-trained (or untrained) scabs, they will.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 03:26 (six months ago) link

zoning out

Dan S, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 03:58 (six months ago) link

i used to post on the internet for a living and i can tell you from my first-hand experience that some of you are doing it real wrong here fyi

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 08:47 (six months ago) link

frozen-let-it-go.gif

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 09:07 (six months ago) link

jfc

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:00 (six months ago) link

plz May plz

alomar lines, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:14 (six months ago) link

Personal attacks and ad hominems are not cool.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:17 (six months ago) link

Disagree with people’s ideas and arguments. This is the agora.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:17 (six months ago) link

childish gambino's long-awaited followup

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:34 (six months ago) link

Can we talk about how Jacob Wohl isn't already in prison yet pls?

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:34 (six months ago) link

M4A’s first committee hearing underway

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:35 (six months ago) link

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:35 (six months ago) link

mungry4ass

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 14:49 (six months ago) link

The Dues Sucking firefighters leadership will always support Democrats, even though the membership wants me. Some things never change!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 29, 2019

'Dues Sucking'?!?

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:14 (six months ago) link

Dues he suck? Or, boy, dues he!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:17 (six months ago) link

Dues he ever!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:17 (six months ago) link

dues ex suckina

mourning joe (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:25 (six months ago) link

Historically speaking, I can think of at least one other time in history where imo striking union teachers were in the wrong and those who crossed the picket line to teach students in shut-down schools were in the moral right. But I'll admit it takes an unusual set of circumstances.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:26 (six months ago) link

The Dues Sucking Firefighters Leadership is a god lost Kinks lyric

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:10 (six months ago) link

Yikes, Trump's Federal Reserve pick Stephen Moore enthusiastically supports child labor & having 11- and 12-year-olds work.

“I’m a radical on this,” Moore said. “I’d get rid of a lot of these child labor laws. I want people starting to work at 11, 12.”https://t.co/IS0V8w8HPx

— Steven Greenhouse (@greenhousenyt) April 30, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:54 (six months ago) link

go mine some of that clean coal, barron

mookieproof, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 16:56 (six months ago) link

Moore's got that "especially for sex workers" vibe re child labor laws

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:19 (six months ago) link

Of course, his own kids would land a sweet summer job at corporate sustainability at Goldman Sachs or whatever. Everyone else gets to work at Burger King for below minimum wage

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:42 (six months ago) link

it is time we all recognized that making children swab floors at a fast food franchise for pitiful wages is the perfect preparation for adult life in the USA

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 17:52 (six months ago) link

Interestingly, in interviews w voters here, the issue they have been citing first as a “too far” lefty pipe dream is free college. Have heard from people who love Warren but part with her on that.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 29, 2019


They don’t say Medicare for All goes too far, they don’t say the Green New Deal does. They say free college does.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 29, 2019


#JoeBiden Surging Among Democrats in Presidential Race, Poll Finds; U.S. Voters Support Wealth Tax, Oppose Free College https://t.co/08l04x5yyR #2020Election

— Quinnipiac University Poll (@QuinnipiacPoll) April 30, 2019

this just shows the power of "better things aren't possible" and self-loathing "the things we want are fundamentally unpopular with real americans". it's not just melt centrist politicians spouting it. it infects voters too. so in a way the melt centrist politicians are right!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:06 (six months ago) link

a wealth tax (which to be clear i support) is way, way more radical than free college. it's a fundamentally new and very lucrative form of taxation what will change the the economy works. and medicare for all is (by normal standards of budgeting) more expensive than free college. but free college is where even people who like warren draw the line.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:08 (six months ago) link

Couldn't it also be that they see health care as a human right that all Americans should have, while college seems something that mostly the middle class will get to do anyway?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:11 (six months ago) link

it's not either/or but it is in their mind because they've (we've!) trained themselves to think so.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:13 (six months ago) link

there are a lot of factors that make it difficult for children of the poor or the working class to succeed through academics, compared to children of the middle class. it isn't just social stigma or self-hypnosis.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

getting a "why do I need to pay a school tax? I don't have any kids" vibe from this

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:25 (six months ago) link

Anti-intellectualism has deep roots in the USA. Richard Hofstadter wrote an excellent book on the subject. Republicans have enthusiastically tapped into that lately, while Democrats have tended to reject it. It's yet another way in which the two major parties have divvied up the nation into exclusive spheres of influence.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:31 (six months ago) link

Also, the Dems have become the party of college-educated voters -- a remarkable shift from even the 1970s and 1980s.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:34 (six months ago) link

feel like "free college" is still new enough to the conversation that sustained messaging and how-it's-framed could change those numbers a lot. comparison to m4a should actually highlight that, imo, since that's a classic "popularity has soared since it's been steadily in the conversation" case.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:44 (six months ago) link

i wonder who (besides student loan companies) would be against the idea of using student loan "profits" to subsidize college tuition? why not shift management of student loans to the public sector, where theoretically there's not a profit motive? why is the status quo to allow third party lenders to make billions of dollars off of everyone else's misfortune?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:52 (six months ago) link

oh wait, because a whiff of socialism will destroy our wonderful society

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:52 (six months ago) link

as far as the 'private sector is much better at managing things than the government, which is the problem!" theory goes, i just received an INCREDIBLY confusing letter from myfedloan.org today which somehow presented 4+ pages of detailed information on my 8 student loans and all of the various payments and when they're due, and i STILL had no idea when the next payment is or how much it would be.

shit, the government is pretty bad at managing a lot of things, but they can fail at least as well as myfedloan.org or any other number of lenders or middlemen

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:54 (six months ago) link

The most brillant move of the conservative right was to convince the american people that Keynesianism was socialism. I really think it won them 30 years and counting.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 18:55 (six months ago) link

why is the status quo to allow third party lenders to make billions of dollars off of everyone else's misfortune?

For the same reason that post offices are legally barred from providing banking services and North Dakota is the only state that has created a state-run bank. Control of credit gives banks incredible power and gives bankers incredible wealth. They make full use of that wealth and power to retain control of credit.

The 'free market' theory is that in return for this wealth and power bankers perform a valuable economic service, by applying their professional expertise to vetting loans and allocating capital only to those who are good risks and will create social value out of that capital; bankers who fail to do so are punished by the withdrawal of capital from their control, so that the bank falters and dies. This theory is officially hilarious, in light of the role banks played in the financial crisis of 2008.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:07 (six months ago) link

No reason to get excited about the URL but worth noting that Trump isn't even George W. Bush.

Apparently all the Democrats have to do is give that 55 percent no reason to change their minds. For what it’s worth, a similar poll in mid-2016 found that 48 percent of Americans “definitely” wouldn’t vote for Trump. And that turned out to be true. In the end, an additional 4 percent joined the crowd and 52 percent of the electorate didn’t vote for him. If the same dynamic holds next year, Trump will receive about 41 percent of the two-party vote and be turned out of office in one of the biggest landslides ever. Wouldn’t that be great?

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/04/chart-of-the-day-donald-trump-has-already-lost-the-2020-election/

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:16 (six months ago) link

For the same reason that post offices are legally barred from providing banking services and North Dakota is the only state that has created a state-run bank. Control of credit gives banks incredible power and gives bankers incredible wealth. They make full use of that wealth and power to retain control of credit.

The 'free market' theory is that in return for this wealth and power bankers perform a valuable economic service, by applying their professional expertise to vetting loans and allocating capital only to those who are good risks and will create social value out of that capital; bankers who fail to do so are punished by the withdrawal of capital from their control, so that the bank falters and dies. This theory is officially hilarious, in light of the role banks played in the financial crisis of 2008.

― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, April 30, 2019 3:07 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Plenty of countries have banks operating in free market settings and have regulated interest rates for students loans + affordable tuition and/or straight free tuition. One of these countries happens to be just north of the border.

The reason why the US does not have affordable tuition is because Americans voted for policy makers that don't give a shit about affordable tuition.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:21 (six months ago) link

You gotta hand it to the GOP’s commitment to the bit in light of a mountain of data proving them wrong

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:31 (six months ago) link

For the same reason that post offices are legally barred from providing banking services and North Dakota is the only state that has created a state-run bank. Control of credit gives banks incredible power and gives bankers incredible wealth. They make full use of that wealth and power to retain control of credit.

fwiw we had a ballot measure in LA on this in 2018 and i don't think there's much evidence that it lost because of the banks.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 19:33 (six months ago) link

WASHINGTON — Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, wrote a letter in late March to Attorney General William P. Barr objecting to his early description of the Russia investigation’s conclusions that appeared to clear President Trump on possible obstruction of justice, according to the Justice Department.

wouldn't it have been cool if mueller, instead of handing over his report to a lying piece of shit who mischaracterized the report and then saying absolutely nothing for a month, had instead held a goddamn 30-minute press conference and walked everyone through the report he just spent 2 years working on?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:29 (six months ago) link

didn't only like 19 people bother to vote, bcz America?

xp

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:30 (six months ago) link

maybe mueller fell for the good ol' "republicans can't be THAT evil" trick and assumed that barr wouldn't completely fuck him over

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:31 (six months ago) link

All the assholes that used his so-called silence as proof that it was a nothingburger can fuck off now

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:34 (six months ago) link

I’m quoting something mordy said a few weeks ago—but why is mueller such a coward?

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:35 (six months ago) link

If he felt the report indicated serious wrongdoing—actionable wrongdoing—he could have made that a lot clearer.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:36 (six months ago) link

I guess he just likes being a sphinx?

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:37 (six months ago) link

Let's not rush to judgment until we see Bill Barr's summary of Mueller's angry letter to him. https://t.co/ZWcQ25BAFq

— Josh Gohlke (@JoshGohlke) April 30, 2019

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:37 (six months ago) link

Yeah but as karl malone said

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:38 (six months ago) link

Mr. Barr, who was scheduled to testify on Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee about the investigation, has said publicly that he disagrees with some of the legal reasoning in the Mueller report. Senior Democratic lawmakers have invited Mr. Mueller to testify in the coming weeks but have been unable to secure a date for his testimony.

hey mueller, maybe find a fucking open date on your calendar?????

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:38 (six months ago) link

Mueller had a clear shot. But he decided to back off. He must not really think what trump did matters.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:38 (six months ago) link

3% right, 97% wrong

On the last-gasp conspiracy theory of the collusion dead-enders to keep the flock hooked: that William Barr is materially misrepresenting the Mueller report & Mueller and his entire team are just remaining quiet & not objecting about this wholesale distortion of their work: pic.twitter.com/ESq8Dw4nr1

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 27, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:44 (six months ago) link

didn't only like 19 people bother to vote, bcz America?

xp

― blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, April 30, 2019 7:30 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no. turnout was enormous for a midterm year and not terrible in an absolute sense (50-60%) depending on whether you mean CA, LA county or the city. participation in a technical ballot measure like that was lower than the turnout, but it was still 30%ish iirc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:47 (six months ago) link

Wow. Mueller wrote a letter to William Barr complaining that his summary of the report confused the public, potentially undermining public confidence in the investigation, WaPo reports.

Of course, it did exactly that. Key quote from Mueller's letter:https://t.co/30maBGNBfT pic.twitter.com/oOGlTs4F2V

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) April 30, 2019

so...why didn't mueller turn down the opportunity to review barr's 4 page cover-up misleading summary letter?

and after it came out and was intentionally misleading, why did he say nothing for a month+? why can't he find a fucking day on his calendar to testify to the Senate Judiciary Committee?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:48 (six months ago) link

People not understanding Mueller’s adherence to his clearly restricted remit and his obeisance to hierarchy: he’s a Marine, sorry

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:49 (six months ago) link

caek: the latter is probably what I'm thinking of, I was tinkerbelling the measure during that week and remember the vote being extra disappointing

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:51 (six months ago) link

Mueller is a Republican, let's remember, and, also, he believes indicting a president would upset our constitutional norms as much as letting Donald J. Trump occupy the Oval Office for 18 more months or another six years.

In other words, a classic Beltway stooge.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:53 (six months ago) link

xp it wasn't a close ballot (60/40) but if the last time you checked on turnout was the day after the election, remember that 50% (and climbing) of CA voters who do vote do so by post and don't show up in the "turnout was terrible" takes everyone insists on writing the morning after.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:56 (six months ago) link

p.s. impeach barr. he deserves it.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:56 (six months ago) link

word ^

meanwhile at home

The 2019 election will boast the highest enrolment rate in Australian history (96.8%) and a record enrolment rate for young Australians (88.8%), in figures released on Tuesday.

9.7% of enrolled voters are now between 18 and 24. fuck 'em up, millennials

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 23:58 (six months ago) link

Mueller is a Republican, let's remember, and, also, he believes indicting a president would upset our constitutional norms as much as letting Donald J. Trump occupy the Oval Office for 18 more months or another six years.

on the latter part, he was following justice department guidelines, as ill-suited for our current times as they may be. on the former, he's a republican who oversaw a damning document (and with excellent prose, as you noted!) of a sitting republican president. once you've been the lead author of a 450 page report that features hundreds of instances of the president being a crook, it would seem that opening your mouth to let someone know that the attorney general is mischaracterizing your report isn't such a big step

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:00 (six months ago) link

Pretty clear that the "irritation" of Barr and his aides is that Mueller had presented them with a report designed for public consumption and clearly aimed at Congress. In other words, he seriously complicated the cover up plan.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) May 1, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:09 (six months ago) link

whoops, meant to include this as well

the true nature of the irritation becomes clear down in the Times story pic.twitter.com/0IoiG5r5VJ

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) May 1, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:09 (six months ago) link

he's a republican who oversaw a damning document (and with excellent prose, as you noted!) of a sitting republican president. once you've been the lead author of a 450 page report that features hundreds of instances of the president being a crook, it would seem that opening your mouth to let someone know that the attorney general is mischaracterizing your report isn't such a big step

Yes, and that's partly why he made the prose so transparent. He's also a wuss.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:11 (six months ago) link

Not really surprising like it isn't the first time Barr helped bury bad news. Jeeze you even had Ollie's name come up this weekend too...

earlnash, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:30 (six months ago) link

How did Mueller not understand that the first thing people heard about the report would have a bigger impact than totality of the 450 pages, as absorbed by a sensitive and objective reader? In Trump’s America?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 00:57 (six months ago) link

He seems like naive and kind of dumb or else complicit in—if not the cover up—positioning this so it fizzled out. Between this and rosenstein praising trump’s warmth and humor i just

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:05 (six months ago) link

Treeship

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:08 (six months ago) link

lol

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:13 (six months ago) link

Treeship again otm

Dan S, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:20 (six months ago) link

You guys can think trump is warm and humorous if you want

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:20 (six months ago) link

Xps

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:21 (six months ago) link

I want to kiss his KFC-stained mouth.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 01:22 (six months ago) link

People not understanding Mueller’s adherence to his clearly restricted remit and his obeisance to hierarchy: he’s a Marine, sorry

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, April 30, 2019 4:49 PM (four hours ago)

I guess, but it's just so weak

Dan S, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 04:34 (six months ago) link

Sounds like its the DOJ not Mueller not allowing a date to be set for a hearing. Him still currently being an employee of them.
Which sounds like obstructing justice in itself don't it?

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 09:56 (six months ago) link

When the bots get a little confused about today's mission...

My husband a New York City firefighter for 15 years will be voting Trump 2020 all the way!!

— Fuck Donald Trump (@gIamourizes) May 1, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:23 (six months ago) link

Not even the bots are immune to meltdown may

Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:26 (six months ago) link

seems like it was a different avatar and name, trump retweeted it, then the owner changed display name and avatar to this. classic twitter move

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 11:37 (six months ago) link

Lindsay Graham to kick things off:

HIllary
Hillary
Hillary
etc

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:19 (six months ago) link

anyone watching the barr hearing or are we just scandal'd out for the decade

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:26 (six months ago) link

hadrian and me are not scandal'd out

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:27 (six months ago) link

obv I hate myself

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:28 (six months ago) link

without a doubt

if i was burned at the stake i would ask for a mirror

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:29 (six months ago) link

it's May yall

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:38 (six months ago) link

I see Barr's m.o. of boring his enemies to death is in full effect.

WmC, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:41 (six months ago) link

Close thread...?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:44 (six months ago) link

can we keep assessing relative merits of teacher scabbing first

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:47 (six months ago) link

may 2019: NNNGGHHH my teeth are gnashed to pieces

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:48 (six months ago) link

bruxit is how we're all gonne die

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:51 (six months ago) link

GNASH MY TEETH INTO PIECES

THIS IS MAY POL'TICS THREAD

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:52 (six months ago) link

this lindsey graham line of leading questions is so fucking pathetic . he is such an embarrassment

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:53 (six months ago) link

how is it possible to be as bad as Diane Feinstein is at this

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:59 (six months ago) link

omg Barr is just spewing reprehensible bullshit making up endless excuses for Trump. What the fuck ?! why the fuck did i watch this ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:59 (six months ago) link

xp yes! she should be fucking his shit up right now

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:00 (six months ago) link

if i was burned at the stake i would ask for a mirror

may thread title imho

Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:01 (six months ago) link

rofl "if he felt the investigation was unfair it's okay to obstruct!"

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:01 (six months ago) link

What the hell, Lindsey?? pic.twitter.com/4DhtqEXs4Y

— Vic Berger IV (@VicBergerIV) May 1, 2019

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:04 (six months ago) link

Done!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:04 (six months ago) link

grassley's old fucking corpse up there talking about a dossier .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:06 (six months ago) link


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