Impeach Trump Y/N

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Impeach Trump? or not?

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OptionVotes
Yes, it is a priority 34
Sure, but other things are more important 13
I guess, whatever 13
No, its counter-productive 12


anvil, Saturday, 19 January 2019 08:52 (nine months ago) link

Sure. But don't stop there.

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 19 January 2019 08:56 (nine months ago) link

Absolutely. If only because it would deal a massive blow to the GOP.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:12 (nine months ago) link

No, it would be an absolute waste of time and 50/50 that it backfires when he isn't convicted - "See, folks, it was just a witch hunt, the Senate cleared me of everything. Everything!"

Two straight years of impeding him and investigation by the House is more useful.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:40 (nine months ago) link

I assume there can be no impeachment without a conviction, since the GOP needs to be on board as well, no? But I'm hardly an expert in these matters.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 10:50 (nine months ago) link

"See, folks, it was just a witch hunt, the Senate cleared me of everything. Everything!"

Isn't it either that or "See, folks, it was just a witch hunt, 10,001 Angry Democrats wasting your money for years and no charges brought against me!"

Fuck a Pence though

nashwan, Saturday, 19 January 2019 11:42 (nine months ago) link

If by 'impeach' you mean 'sew his asshole closed and keep feeding him and feeding him and feeding him' then I offer an enthusiastic yes.

A Nugatory Excrescence (Old Lunch), Saturday, 19 January 2019 13:35 (nine months ago) link

Impeach Cobbler Y/N

have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 13:36 (nine months ago) link

it only backfired on the Repubs in the 90s because Kenneth Starr veered so far from his original purpose, it looked like he was 'hunting'.

the idea that we should wait 2 years while Trump's decisions harm actual living people rather than at least trying to hold him accountable, no matter how unlikely the success, seems off-putting to me.

It'd go to trial in the Senate after it easily passed the House, it isn't like it'd be over in 5 minutes with a Nelson "ha-ha!" laugh.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:14 (nine months ago) link

thank you for making "i guess, whatever" an option

democracy is a sham, who cares about another fucking piece of political theater

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:36 (nine months ago) link

I've always liked Derrida's notion that, for all its flaws, democracy is always yet to come because it is perfectible, which can't really be said for other systems of government.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:47 (nine months ago) link

We should of course impeach the fascist president who committed—at the very least—federal campaign finance violations. What kind of precedent does it set to not start proceedings after all the pain he’s caused?

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:49 (nine months ago) link

Pence is a secondary concern, you deal with that when it comes up. The principle has to be that a person like Trump can’t use our system of government as a toy.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:50 (nine months ago) link

the perfectibility of democracy is one of its greatest flaws imo, it leads those committed to the ideology to mentally swap out the reality for the idealized form. it encourages delusion.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:50 (nine months ago) link

for the record "what kind of precedent does it set?" is pretty much the exact argument people used to _oppose_ nixon's impeachment

the "precedent" argument is inextricable from political theater. political theater will always be necessary and i'm not arguing against it, only that i'm not personally invested in what sort of puppet shows the plutocrats put on but in the underlying reality it's increasingly poorly masking.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:53 (nine months ago) link

There is even more delusion involved in dictatorships, for example, if only as a coping mechanism.

xp

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 14:55 (nine months ago) link

yeah you make a good point. i frankly don't understand most of derrida, but is the idea that most forms of government present themselves as already perfect, divinely ordained, and the strength of democracy is that it isn't? it's an interesting argument but i've never known a form of democracy that didn't present itself as already perfect and divinely ordained.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:10 (nine months ago) link

If the Republican senate wasn't brainwashed into following his every whim I would think it was inevitable and necessary to impeach an active criminal in the White House. Not sure if that is giving them anywhere near enough accountability for their own actions but can't really see what's in it for them in the long run otherwise.

Am hoping this is a last conservative stand before inevitable diversity increase. & i can't see how it can be sustained in their favour.

Would love to see this guy stripped of all power and having to face up to the results of his own actions.
But until you can get that Senate majority it might just backfire and lead to a further 4 years of continual nightmare and this time with him feeling even more confident in whatever whim being followed.
Hoping for a return to sanity and the current incumbency going down in history as a warning, not a guideline for what can be got away with if you just tidy it up a little.

Stevolende, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:12 (nine months ago) link

I don’t know what the outcome of impeaching him and having him not convicted in the senate would be. That way of thinking seems too consequentialist though—if he committed crimes he shouldn’t have his office, it’s the right thing to do.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:18 (nine months ago) link

stevolende, it's not a matter of "return to a senate majority" - impeachment requires a _supermajority_ the sort of which would require at least some senate republicans to abandon the president. impeachment at this point would not be aimed at a conviction, but it would be a sort of public show trial aimed at breaking the wall of inflexible and dogmatic support for the president (about, as best as we can estimate, 40% of the american people). if republican support for the president diminishes to the point where voting for removal _isn't_ a threat to the electoral prospects of republican senators, they will flip on him, as they obviously have no moral principles or backbone whatsoever. this could work or it could not - nothing that's been tried to this point, obviously, has had any lasting effect.

my personal belief is that the idea we can "return to normalcy" from this point is a liberal fantasy and that globalist capitalist democracy is essentially finished, though i guess anything's possible. i'm mostly waiting it out to see what comes next.

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:27 (nine months ago) link

is the idea that most forms of government present themselves as already perfect, divinely ordained, and the strength of democracy is that it isn't?

Yeah, that's how I interpret it. 'Perfectible' implies that it's never quite perfect, i.e. it's always in the process of seeking perfection, whereas autocraties claim to have achieved it already. You're right, though, that democracy is often taken, in the Western collective unconscious, to be definitive in and of itself, but this line of argumentation is perhaps a trick used by reactionary forces – they deliberately conflate the status quo with democracy, as though it were impossible to change the former while preserving the latter. Sorry if this comes across as muddled – it's not a topic I'm too familiar with.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:28 (nine months ago) link

You think this idiot destroyed global capitalist democracy?

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:29 (nine months ago) link

More like a marker along the road of it's decay

Tho I suspect it's more like a balloon that will inflate and deflate many times, possibly with a burst at the end

have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:32 (nine months ago) link

Yeah, that makes more sense

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:33 (nine months ago) link

re. Derrida, i always linked his thinking on democracy to benjamin’s and the concept of “weak messianism.” The concept holds open a promise that will never be delivered, always deferred, but its being-open is the condition of possibility of progressive change.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:36 (nine months ago) link

I've come to think of the specific government programmes/manifestos of left or "progressive" parties needing to be like this: acknowledging fluidity and progress and always open to further demands/further movement towards economic and social democracy - in fact those demands should always be advancing

have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:40 (nine months ago) link

Like, the state can't be "fixed" in any sense, and to want to do that is inherently conservative small c

have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:42 (nine months ago) link

Definitely, treesh, Benjamin is a touchstone here – Derrida explicitly discusses weak messianism in Spectres of Marx.

pomenitul, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:42 (nine months ago) link

You bet he does

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:45 (nine months ago) link

Impeach him. I don't care if the Senate doesn't convict. A failure to convict will not lead to a sudden explosion in his popularity.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:50 (nine months ago) link

Like, the state can't be "fixed" in any sense, and to want to do that is inherently conservative small c

― have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague)

yes, but any notion of "progress" must also account for the demands of the people, which are very often small-c conservative. the only way to bring about lasting progressive change is often through duplicity - for instance the augustan project of revolutionary governmental change under the pretense of "restoration". there is no reason for any radical to _not_ cast themselves instead as a "restorer".

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:52 (nine months ago) link

^

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:52 (nine months ago) link

Sorry meant to one up soto not you

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:52 (nine months ago) link

Idk rush, duplicity and strategic compromise haven’t served the left well. It’s put them in a reactive position a lot of the tiem, responding to the new reality the right creates. I like the sanders approach of somewhat naively just laying out the policies that he thinks are better, overton window be damned. It’s worked too—nj just passed a $15 minimum wage

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 15:55 (nine months ago) link

My feeling is that impeachment would have the effect of taking the spotlight off Trump himself and on to the proceedings instead. This would make it harder for him to muddle and confuse. I think if Americans had what we already know stitched together for them without distractions, Trump would be even less popular.

And if the Senate doesn't convict in the face of the evidence -- which will surely include things we don't yet know -- that will be a millstone for those senators and the Republican party.

fajita seas, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:03 (nine months ago) link

I'm not a big fan of trying to "outsmart" the electorate either rush but I feel like I'm derailing this thread so I'll maybe pick at this another time somewhere else

have you ever seen a VONC's tears? (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:11 (nine months ago) link

I think Trump is already a 2020 millstone. The question is whether he can take any GOP senators down with him.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:15 (nine months ago) link

(Or maybe he'll win and they'll make gains!)

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:16 (nine months ago) link

I mean saying "don't impeach him, it won't work and could backfire" just gives the Prez carte blanche to keep breaking the law. If the Repubs were actually holding the fucker accountable, then it would be better to slow down the pace of proceedings. But they aren't and never will.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:20 (nine months ago) link

I don’t think you can predict the effect it will have. But it’s still the right thing.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:22 (nine months ago) link

Yea i mean that's the reason to do it too! Tired of every act having to be measured by what it might mean 2 months from now. All that leads to is capitulation.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:23 (nine months ago) link

The upside of the way he runs things and the state of the country as a whole is that when every day brings a new disaster, time becomes meaningless. No one remember what he did a week ago, let alone a month ago, let alone a year ago. There is no downside to going at him hard, because if anything it slows the clock down and forces him to take some damage. He's like a shark who must keep swimming forward, and if he stops he dies.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 January 2019 16:26 (nine months ago) link

We're still at the investigation phase, largely because the last Congress refused to do a proper job of it and Mueller's investigation continues to be a black box except when he drops an indictment here or there. When a coherent, evidence-based and properly corroborated narrative is constructed and out in the open, then it will be time to draw up suitable articles of impeachment for the House to debate and the public to consider. This stuff is serious business and you need a strong scaffolding if you're going to hang a president.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 19 January 2019 17:30 (nine months ago) link

I mean saying "don't impeach him, it won't work and could backfire" just gives the Prez carte blanche to keep breaking the law. If the Repubs were actually holding the fucker accountable, then it would be better to slow down the pace of proceedings. But they aren't and never will.

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal)

yeah thinking about it the "don't impeach" argument just doesn't hold water. all of these theoretical political considerations are secondary, america's potential future status as a 'failed state' is secondary. there is ample evidence that the president is guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors for the house to impeach, sufficient evidence that failure to impeach would in fact constitute dereliction of a professional duty. it might not work, it might backfire, but none of that means that impeachment is a bad idea or that it shouldn't be done.

oh, to clarify, i wasn't arguing for kissinger-style realpolitik, more that "restoration" is just as much a utopian myth as the progressive utopia, and that an effective politician will appeal to both instincts. we're very far from the place where progress can come about by saying "fuck america, we can come up with something better than that".

The Elvis of Nationalism and Amoral Patriotism (rushomancy), Saturday, 19 January 2019 18:32 (nine months ago) link

read anything about Mike Pence and his views on lgbt people and record wrt them and Trump being impeached seems a lot less exciting

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 21 January 2019 19:53 (eight months ago) link

As I've pointed out before, if articles of impeachment against Trump were not merely referred to the Senate, but he was successfully removed from office as a result, then the political damage inflicted upon the Republicans would be sufficient to prevent Pence from accomplishing much of his agenda. He'd be a lame duck from day one.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 21 January 2019 19:58 (eight months ago) link

Also it’s not like trump is serving as a liberal voice of reason in the administration.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 21 January 2019 20:02 (eight months ago) link

here's the case that i can see for leaving trump in place: as bad as he is he is equally incompetent at executing his vision. it could be suffering through him two more years will be preferable to putting someone more competent in charge. he seems unable to work within the gov apparatus to effectively promote his agenda. he gets into fights with his subordinates, inspires resistances and undermining of his authority, doesn't fully understand the mechanics of the apparatus he seeks to control -- like i'm not even sure he could start a new war if he wanted one. (nb he could still be a rubber stamp on a military that wanted a particular war but so many were.) this is an [overly] optimistic analysis i admit - it assumes he won't be able to do real serious lasting damage before 2020 because of these deficiencies, and that his failure to effectively run the country won't lead to an exceptional catastrophe either. otoh all this suggests is that you'd rather have trump in office for two more years than two more years of gwb or of cruz or pence or even rubio any of these psychos who have the will and the means to destroy the world not just the will.

Mordy, Monday, 21 January 2019 20:09 (eight months ago) link

if charges emerge against trump that are serious enough to result in his conviction by the full Senate, then not moving forward with impeachment because of the kind of calculations put forward in mordy's post would be both morally wrong, but a profound political misjudgment.

the usual trump v. pence arguments all seem to rest on the idea that a successful impeachment or forced resignation would rest on somewhat ambiguous grounds that would leave the country much as it was prior to trump leaving office. it would not be like that. it would be a political earthquake of the highest magnitude and leave everything in government badly shaken up.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 21 January 2019 20:17 (eight months ago) link

Impeaching Trump = Raise the chance of another republican president in the 2020 election

nostormo, Monday, 21 January 2019 20:19 (eight months ago) link

This is an valuable side discussion, well done

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:14 (two weeks ago) link

Pelosi is a canny political operator. The idea that a superficial read of her statements reflected her intentions as this built was absurd.

The impeachment case is far stronger now. It’s almost like this woman has reached her position because she knows something about politics.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

what is this assumed world some of you live in where people in congress have "no choice" but to do their professional duty

have you looked at a republican lately

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

"that's like 5 people" xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:37 (two weeks ago) link

Grancy herself said Dems had "no choice"

I guess she has inherited Obama's old 9-dimensional Vulcan chess set

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:38 (two weeks ago) link

"with friends like these...."

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 October 2019 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

I like the crazy (which is to say, totally plausible) Michael Ian Black prediction:

Crazy prediction: Mike Pence resigns to spend more time with Mother, Trump appoints Nikki Haley before resigning himself in exchange for a pardon and then Haley becomes the 2020 Republican presidential nominee against Warren in a first-ever all female presidential contest.

— Michael Ian Black (@michaelianblack) October 5, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 October 2019 15:43 (two weeks ago) link

Trump will never resign

Οὖτις, Saturday, 5 October 2019 15:51 (two weeks ago) link

And this we will have our first Presidential debate where one of the candidates is wearing a diaper

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 October 2019 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

P sure Reagan was diapered up

Οὖτις, Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:10 (two weeks ago) link

(which is to say, totally plausible)

ow! my credulity!

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

Don't wanna know your inside sources xpost

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:42 (two weeks ago) link

I used to work for a lady who thought Haley was some sort of genius, but otherwise hated the GOP. Made me wonder if she's got a cult following.

Simon H., Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:53 (two weeks ago) link

There were rumors she was angling to replace Pence on the bill before any of this new shit came out.

Re: resignation, anything is possible with this dude. If some people are even remotely considering the prospect of civil war or dictatorship, then "Trump resigns" is a relatively modest prediction.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 October 2019 16:56 (two weeks ago) link

McConnell vows to block Trump impeachment in fundraising pitch

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's (R-Ky.) reelection campaign is seizing on the fight over impeachment, pledging in Facebook ads that he will lead Republican efforts to stop President Trump from being removed from office.

"Nancy Pelosi's in the clutches of a left wing mob. They finally convinced her to impeach the president. All of you know your Constitution, the way that impeachment stops is a Senate majority with me as majority leader," McConnell says in an ad that began running on Thursday.

"But I need your help. Please contribute before the deadline," McConnell continues in the ad.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

probably going to enjoy pissing on Mc’s grave even more than trump’s tbh

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 5 October 2019 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

"all of you know your Constitution"...

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Saturday, 5 October 2019 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

I know this belongs in the #trenchantsocialcommentary thread, but as a non-American I'm always shocked / amused that every political event or situation is immediately monetised - "because of these events donate NOW" - and in the midst of this sea of corruption allegations, the message going out to America is "if you want to influence politics the best way is via money." I'm mildly outraged when I read statements like "if everyone reading this donated $5 we could flip Indiana" or whatever - public opinion and voter turnouts are commodities purchasable by whomever has the biggest media buy. It feels like a fatal and entrenched weakness.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:33 (two weeks ago) link

very different from other countries in this regard

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:43 (two weeks ago) link

A new lie emerges...

Trump pins Ukraine call on Energy Secretary Rick Perry

President Trump told House Republicans that he made his now infamous phone call to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the urging of Energy Secretary Rick Perry — a call Trump claimed he didn’t even want to make.

Behind the scenes: Trump made these comments during a conference call with House members on Friday, according to 3 sources on the call.

Per the sources, Trump rattled off the same things he has been saying publicly — that his call with Zelensky was "perfect"and he did nothing wrong.
But he then threw Perry into the mix and said something to the effect of: "Not a lot of people know this but, I didn't even want to make the call. The only reason I made the call was because Rick asked me to. Something about an LNG [liquified natural gas] plant," one source said, recalling the president's comments. 2 other sources confirmed the first source's recollection.
Why it matters: The president's remarks suggest he may be seeking to distance himself from responsibility or recast the pretext for the call. White House officials did not respond to requests for comment.

Another source on the call said Trump added that "more of this will be coming out in the next few days" — referring to Perry.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:59 (two weeks ago) link

Lol, good luck with that. Perry made me do it is pretty weak sauce.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:04 (two weeks ago) link

Blame It on Perry is like the title of a great lost '80s film.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

I guess the question is whether Perry has some motivation to eat this one.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:16 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI5IA8assfk

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:17 (two weeks ago) link

What a weird coincidence, Trump dragging Perry's name into this for the first time immediately after resigns. So weird, and so totally a coincidence!

What a bag of reconstituted dogshit he is.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:24 (two weeks ago) link

The ghost of Cameron Todd Whillingham will have justice.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 5 October 2019 23:05 (two weeks ago) link

I would say that, on balance, and for various reasons, yes you should impeach Trump.

plax (ico), Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:00 (two weeks ago) link

"very different from other countries in this regard"

rogermex sounding v Trumpy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:10 (two weeks ago) link

which is it man? am I a MAGA or a Clinton Stan or whatever you call Pelosians... ffs choose one insult and stick with it 😂

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:20 (two weeks ago) link

you're multidimensional

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:31 (two weeks ago) link

I am large. I contain multitudes.

-bob marley

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Sunday, 6 October 2019 00:34 (two weeks ago) link

rogermex sounding v Trumpy

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

we all sound very trumpy these days, or most of us. three years of his blather has certainly shaped the way i talk. i'm not happy about it.

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 October 2019 12:54 (two weeks ago) link

Grancy herself said Dems had "no choice"

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

"no choice" meaning "the facts compel it", or "no choice" meaning "we must obey the whims of this angry mob who i personally disagree with, because otherwise i might lose re-election"? i'm not asking for your answer - i can guess - but i'd need to see the context.

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:02 (two weeks ago) link

stevie nicks really glammed up that nirvana song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uukOdFdyqVQ

Calpico Girlfriend (rushomancy), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

Still miles from the Springsteen demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2T_mSGIFPQ

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:17 (two weeks ago) link

WB lawyer: “I can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection to the underlying August 12, 2019, disclosure to the Intelligence Community Inspector General. No further comment at this time.”

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) October 6, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:19 (two weeks ago) link

I don't get the distinction really, rushomancy

I have never cared what pols like Pelosi 'actually believe' - it's unrelated to their actions

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 6 October 2019 13:21 (two weeks ago) link

For the last time, Hillary Clinton used a file-deleting software program called BleachBit.

She didn't literally wash the emails in acid.

You're thinking of Steve Bannon. https://t.co/YhIuQc0x5B pic.twitter.com/vTnOtZ9qqG

— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) October 6, 2019

feel like in fairness to donny this could probably be reasonably understood metaphorically

k3vin k., Monday, 7 October 2019 00:11 (one week ago) link

Was the call appropriate or was it perfect, Donald? Getcher story straight!

Anyway, he continues to behave exactly as every innocent party does when wrongly-accused, and that's what's important.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 October 2019 00:25 (one week ago) link

Jonah Goldberg on the radio this morning busted out that old chestnut, "sure, he's committed lots of impeachable offenses, but this should be resolved in the upcoming election, not through an impeachment that leaves him in office." First, there's going to be an election in 2020 regardless. Second, what happens if you don't impeach and then he's re-elected? Just totally dumb. But I suppose I wouldn't expect anything else from this resident NPR-safe GOP dummy.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 12:30 (one week ago) link

[Trump walks into Oval Office alone. Shuts door. We hear a whoosh from off camera]

TRUMP: I don’t get it Al, why haven’t I leaped!?

AL: Stay at it, Sam. Ziggy says there’s a 95% chance you’re here to get this guy impeached.

TRUMP: WHAT MORE COULD I POSSIBLY DO!?

— Alex Marino (@JAlexMarino) November 21, 2018

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 7 October 2019 12:32 (one week ago) link

Okay, yes, of course he burned down that orphanage. But rather than wasting our time 'arresting' and 'convicting' and 'imprisoning' him, why not just let nature take its course? Isn't dying peacefully in his sleep twenty years from now punishment enough?

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Monday, 7 October 2019 12:33 (one week ago) link

xpost Needs to find love.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 12:34 (one week ago) link

Let the market decide

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 October 2019 12:41 (one week ago) link

remember to send NPR all your spare cash or you'll never know what Jonah Goldberg thinks

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:03 (one week ago) link

Or if, for that matter.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 October 2019 14:13 (one week ago) link

Christ. I thought he'd just go with executive privilege. https://t.co/pEakUUH4pn

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) October 8, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 19:46 (one week ago) link

the men's rights movements has finally morphed into its final form (?), republican rights

It is my great honor to post on this messageboard! (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 8 October 2019 20:11 (one week ago) link


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