US Politics May 2019: " If I was burned at the stake, I would ask for a mirror"

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so the Corpse of Grassley returns to a familiar right wing fever swamp talking point.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

reptile Grassley: are you looking into whether Steele dossier is russian disinfo?

if the senate had an 8chan caucus

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it's fucking maddening !! omg!!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

destroy the senate imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Feinstein and Leahy sound like they are recapping yesterday's bingo game over soft food

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

did Leahy have his voice box removed ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Leahy's got a voice box

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

wow what a petulant disingenuous piece of shit this guy is

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

thanks obama

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

well surely all thanks need to go McConnell's way.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol it's someones elses fault for not warning Trump about Russia ! omg this is despicable

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Thank you, @atrupar!

Lindsey Graham saying "Trump is a fucking idiot" on loop.🤣🤣🤣#BarrLied #barrhearing #wednesdaywisdom pic.twitter.com/CBNJ5Q7jfK

— Holly Figueroa O'Reilly (@AynRandPaulRyan) May 1, 2019

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Subject header of White House Email sent minutes ago might apply to our country as well:

Don’t Call it a Coup. Venezuelans Have a Right to Replace an Oppressive, Toxic Regime.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Venezuelans are Clapping Back at Maduro’s Toxic Masculinity and We Are Here For It.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oh, good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Hi Will, thanks for doing this AMA! My wife's boyfriend and I are huge fans of yours!

Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 16:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

March 5: The Special Counsel meets with Barr and informs him that “the introductions and executive summaries of our two-volume report accurately summarize this Office’s work and conclusions.”

March 24, early afternoon: The Special Counsel reiterates the purpose of the Mueller report’s executive summaries and introductions.

March 24, late afternoon: Barr sends his now-notorious letter to Congress, which was made public immediately, purporting to outline the Mueller report’s top-line conclusions.

March 25, morning: The Special Counsel’s office informs the Justice Department that his letter to Congress “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions.” It’s not clear who communicated with whom in this instance, or in what form.

March 27: Mueller sends a letter to Barr complaining about the March 24 letter and urging him to release the executive summaries.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 16:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Favourite flavour of boot?

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ben Sasse going rogue

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Hirono killin it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Well its all being recorded and at some point in the future people will be able to look back and see who's trying to pass themselves off as the voice of conscience.
Cruz bleurrgh. & everybody else here who thinks that being a stooge is a noble pursuit.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

in the future these people will all be in crypts made of gold

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

it ith over.

can't believe that. BS.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If Mueller was so concerned about this shit maybe he should have come to a real conclusion instead of concluding with " Maaaaaaybe? What do you think?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the report concluded that there was insufficient evidence to lay charges regarding any treasonous stuff with russia and washed its hands of making judgements about obstruction.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

so it was conclusive in its own way.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

If Mueller was so concerned about this shit maybe he should have come to a real conclusion instead of concluding with " Maaaaaaybe? What do you think?"


Not if he intended to follow the law and his charge—that’s the idea. In fact, Barr’s treatment of the material after the fact was the big fuck up in terms of what the DOJ can and can’t do.

Mueller didn’t charge obstruction out of fairness TO the president, based on current DOJ policy—not to make things look more damning than they were.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Constitutional crisis yet?
Or has it been like that for the last while.
I don't think history is going to be overly kind to senator Graham, probably not the Hon Major Barr neither.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Bruh we be in constitutional crisis mode for a while

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Taibbi and Greenwald's tweets p much all "im not owned! im not owned!" at this point

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 20:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

every day or so I have that stark realization that OMG this government is really deeply corrupt

akm, Thursday, 2 May 2019 00:43 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Until I have proof that Greenwald wasn't involved in outing Reality Winner, he's in the shitbox for me.

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 2 May 2019 01:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah this is fun seeing checks and balances crumbling before our eyes. And knowing that the damage this administration is doing could last a generation or until the end of the USA as we once knew it. Another check mark in the “don’t have children” column.

Still seeing effects of Reagan manifesting, can’t imagine what long term pain Trump will deliver us.

circa1916, Thursday, 2 May 2019 01:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah this is fun seeing checks and balances crumbling before our eyes. And knowing that the damage this administration is doing could last a generation or until the end of the USA as we once knew it. Another check mark in the “don’t have children” column.

Still seeing effects of Reagan manifesting, can’t imagine what long term pain Trump will deliver us.

If you’re still seeing the Gipper, kids were probably moot anyway, right?

lion in winter, Thursday, 2 May 2019 06:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There was one thing that it appears they are trying to taken as a given, that there was heavy Russian interference in the 2016 election. Not sure to what extent GOP were admitting that previously. But that was the point of the Marsha Blackburn spiel wasn't it?
Apart from that bizarro take on who was behaving in an unprecedented way. That actually sounded like if taken outof context she might have had a point, sounded like it would apply to Barr's behaviour and it took me a moment to realise she was actually talking about the Dems. I was hoping it might be a sign of some GOP discontent with the current farcical state. But they do seem to be turning into a monolithic whole don't they?

Stevolende, Thursday, 2 May 2019 08:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

power is power

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 2 May 2019 08:48 (three weeks ago) Permalink

It is astonishing in retrospect how quickly we went from “Iran-Contra is no big deal” to “the Clintons secretly murdered a bunch of their political opponents!” in the space of about five years back in the 1990s.

— David Walsh (@DavidAstinWalsh) May 2, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

is it, though?

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:01 (three weeks ago) Permalink

uhhh so Barr was subpoenaed didn't show up for his hearing

time to find out if the executive branch is going to have any oversight whatsoever

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Legislative, that is

I love a good constitutional crisis in the morning

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:10 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Begin the impeachment process now

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Jerry Nadler to reporters: "We will make one more good faith attempt to negotiate and to get the access to the report that we need, and then, if we don't get that, we will proceed to hold the attorney general in contempt and we'll go from there."

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 2, 2019

why do you keep giving these people chances. arrest him now

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Impeachment needed on at least 2 people.
Anybody else need a nice bit of impeachment?
Kavanagh? Do you get a better rate for multiples?

Stevolende, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

like for once can you spineless idiots just do what the majority of the country that voted you in wants you to do

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Democrats ain’t going to do a thing. Wake me up when a single WH staff member or agency executive is sitting in jail for contempt.

The law is a grand, mutual delusion. It requires at least 51% to believe in it for it to work. Republicans no longer believe in it, so Dems are only talking to themselves with this rule of law nonsense.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Gilead!

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Dems are just doing the same shit I do to my 4 year old

Last chance!!!
This is your last warning!!!
I'm gonna count to 5...
If you don't testify right this instant, I'm holding you in contempt!
I'm warning you!!!
bUddy yOuR on THin IcE

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:37 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Sarah Sanders went out on the WH lawn this morning talking some serious shit abt Nadler, clearly provoking him.

I do think they will hold Barr in contempt, whether or not they have the stones to fine much less jail anybody is obv a different matter

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:15 (three weeks ago) Permalink

:D

i would truly take you up on that if i was near!

i'm actually not in a rage right now, i'm just procrastinating at work (please don't tell my boss)

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:13 (yesterday) Permalink

Fuck robert mueller

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:14 (yesterday) Permalink

maybe at 24

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:15 (yesterday) Permalink

I’d have more respect for him if he just concluded that he didn’t want to bring obstruction charges due to the lack of an underlying crime. Kicking the conclusion to Baer was ridiculous.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:15 (yesterday) Permalink

9) Does 2+2=4? It sure looks like it. But 40% of the public thinks it equals 3. Perhaps we can compromise at 3.75. Or maybe 3.5.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:16 (yesterday) Permalink

Mueller, according to people familiar with the matter, would like for any discussions beyond the public contents of his report to be conducted in private. Democrats want to press Mueller in a nationally televised hearing about a host of issues, including whether he thought President Trump could or should be charged with obstruction if he were not the president, and whether Mueller agreed with Attorney General William P. Barr’s handling of the investigation’s findings.

What a loser

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:19 (yesterday) Permalink

1) i am prohibited by DOJ policy to say that 2 + 2 = 4.

Um, not really. DOJ policy prevented Mueller in his capacity as a prosecutor from indicting Trump, but how he worded his conclusions was in his control. He deliberately chose not to state something like this:

All the evidence cited herein compels me to conclude that Donald J. Trump clearly and repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice. According to DOJ policy, based on constitutional law, he cannot be indicted for these unlawful activities; the only constitutionally acceptable remedy lies in the hands of Congress, should they choose to use their impeachment powers.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:20 (yesterday) Permalink

I don’t expect anything more than what’s in the report but he needs to explain the reasoning behind his conclusions in a more transparent forum.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:20 (yesterday) Permalink

Yeah exactly aimless. He needs to exolain why he didn’t recommend that.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:21 (yesterday) Permalink

Is it doj policy or prosecutorial discretion due to a lack of underlying crime

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:23 (yesterday) Permalink

DOJ policy prohibits impugning an unindicted investigative target. And since DOJ policy says you can't indict a sitting president...

Mueller put the evidence of obstruction in the report, but that policy prevented him from stating the obvious. Which laid the groundwork for Barr's hackery.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:25 (yesterday) Permalink

He wrote that they did not come to a finding on obstruction because there would be no way for Trump to disprove the accusation as he was unindictable--so it would be unfair

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:27 (yesterday) Permalink

Which is just a restatement of the logic underlying the DOJ policy.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:29 (yesterday) Permalink

It’s true, poor thing

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:29 (yesterday) Permalink

I think he should have said it and taken his chances.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:30 (yesterday) Permalink

I agree with this policy of not impugning people you’re not going to indict in general. But this case is ridiculous. The only reason he can’t be indicted is because of his office—there is a public interest dimension to this.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:31 (yesterday) Permalink

Why is mueller acting like an algorithm?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:31 (yesterday) Permalink

Um, not really. DOJ policy prevented Mueller in his capacity as a prosecutor from indicting Trump, but how he worded his conclusions was in his control.

DOJ policy (according to Mueller's interpretation, at least) prevented not only from indicting him, but also from coming to the conclusion that he committed crimes.

we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct "constitutes a federal offense." U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

so no, he could not have worded a statement like you suggested, that he "clearly and repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice", because that would be a crime, and they had already determined to use an approach that could potentially come to that conclusion. instead, he used the ambiguous language which was enough to confuse most of the american public because it takes longer than 5 seconds to read: "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

in other words, mueller is a big fucking asshole, but not for the reasons that you suggest

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (yesterday) Permalink

xposts

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (yesterday) Permalink

This is like Kafka

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:37 (yesterday) Permalink

we determined not to apply an approach

that 'we determined' strongly implies that an alternate approach was possible

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:38 (yesterday) Permalink

possible but maybe illegal

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:40 (yesterday) Permalink

but he should have been brave and gone for it. or else allowed someone else to be special prosecutor.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:41 (yesterday) Permalink

Not illegal -- contrary to DOJ guidelines.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:48 (yesterday) Permalink

this is why we used to have independent prosecutors

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:54 (yesterday) Permalink

makes u think

What if Pelosi is trying to goad Trump into doing lots of dumb, unpopular shit by claiming he's trying to goad her into impeachment?

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) May 23, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:55 (yesterday) Permalink

don't goad a goader

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:55 (yesterday) Permalink

what if trump is trying to goad pelosi into thinking she can try to goad trump into doing lots of dumb unpopular shit by claiming he's trying to goad her into impeachment?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:00 (yesterday) Permalink

Oh man can you even imagine if Donald Trump wound up haplessly doing dumb unpopular shit, what a crazy mixed-up world that would be

smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:02 (yesterday) Permalink

I can already see a stadium full of people chanting "DUMB UNPOPULAR SHIT! DUMB UNPOPULAR SHIT!"

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:16 (yesterday) Permalink

you know what else is divisive? losing the Electoral College again

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:18 (yesterday) Permalink

yeah but you can just have the loser make a speech about the genius of the founding fathers

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:26 (yesterday) Permalink

Here is a 7+ minute video, from ABC, of Trump calling on multiple senior aides to defend him and vouch for his 'calm' demeanor in the infrastructure meeting with Democrats after Nancy Pelosi said that he'd had a temper tantrum. pic.twitter.com/iiLcrjnTe4

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 23, 2019

so pathetic

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:48 (yesterday) Permalink

the bootlicking is nauseating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:50 (yesterday) Permalink

never trust a room full of white people.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:54 (yesterday) Permalink

unless you walk in a room and it's Fleetwood Mac standing there

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:56 (yesterday) Permalink

they don't even trust each other

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:57 (yesterday) Permalink

where is my Negroni btw ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:58 (yesterday) Permalink

it's almost 5 ffs

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:59 (yesterday) Permalink

shaker's out

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:12 (yesterday) Permalink

the bootlicking is nauseating

come carne asada, let's get's serious. they use horsehair shine brushes

An early look at next week's cover, "The Shining," by Barry Blitt. https://t.co/KVWteOZfAX pic.twitter.com/FsevJqnTq9

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) May 23, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:19 (yesterday) Permalink

I’m surprised they can live with themselves. Always surprised.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:20 (yesterday) Permalink

hilarious how clueless DT is re: how his behavior esp the whining and doth protesting too much comes off. like dude, thanks for letting us know that Pelosi really got under your skin. thanks for letting us know you're scared shitless about the "whole Russia thing".

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:33 (yesterday) Permalink

If you’re blessed at birth by a demon to never suffer lasting consequences for any of your actions I’d imagine it’s hard to learn anything

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:38 (yesterday) Permalink

The panicked perpetuation of white supremacy by any means (up to and including the eager debasement of an identity which one's actions are hypothetically intended to preserve but which will in sad reality remain forever compromised by unresolved daddy issues) is a helluva drug.

smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:50 (yesterday) Permalink

"It's a good time to be a farmer, we're going to make sure of that," President Trump says, announcing $16 billion in aid to farmers as the trade war with China continues https://t.co/oCbHCg9U2B pic.twitter.com/siPweyokoP

— CNN Business (@CNNBusiness) May 23, 2019



Cool socialism bro

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 22:03 (yesterday) Permalink

"I was extremely calm yesterday" for June pol thread title

He is extremely calm. Just presidenting as he always does.

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Thursday, 23 May 2019 22:54 (yesterday) Permalink

A few quick thoughts about the Assange indictment—this is a worst-case, nightmare, mayday scenario for First Amendment enthusiasts 1/

— Hannah Bloch-Wehba (@HBWHBWHBW) May 23, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2019 03:22 (four hours ago) Permalink


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