Chapo Trap House and the rise of the dirtbag left

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For the uninitiated, CTH is a very popular (to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron) podcast by a group of foul-mouthed socialists with a tendency to tear into liberals with just as much (if not more) zeal than conservatives. They were recently profiled/critiqued in the New Yorker. The episode in which they respond to the article (mostly by viciously mocking the author and the New Yorker in general) is a decent introduction. There's also a critique of the critique, of course.

I'm interested in this growing notion of the "dirtbag left" and the increasing ranks of the DSA, which I recognize are partly separate phenomena. (There is an amusing schism in their demo between the very young and the very old.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:11 (three years ago) link

This was probably the best intro I ever read:

http://splitsider.com/2016/09/explaining-the-chapo-trap-house-podcast-to-the-uninitiated/

Which gets into the reference-heavy jag the show occasionally launches off on.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:17 (three years ago) link

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:22 (three years ago) link

I follow some dem socialists on Twitter and it took me like three goddamn months that it was a podcast and not just some sort of weird meme

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:23 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:25 (three years ago) link

I have only heard a few recent episodes, but the divide in airtime between vulgar comic riffs and actual discussion/intvws is pretty much 50/50

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:27 (three years ago) link

to answer yr question more directly Tombot I have seen a *lot* of tweets w/ CTH fans flaunting their newly received Socialist Organizer mailers/cards, anecdotal certainly but not nothing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:31 (three years ago) link

They're still spending way too much time complaining about Hillary, the election and their critics. I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

iatee otm

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

This sounds pretty 'edgy'. I'll be interested to see what these guys do once they're out of high school.

DJ Untz Hall (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:38 (three years ago) link

I find it amusing enough as a light podcast for driving but they're going to have to move on to keep listeners.

Agreed, I think this will be a necessity after the inauguration anyway

tbh I mostly enjoy their eviscerations of liberal commentators/thinkers - fish in a barrel, sure, but undeniably satisfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (three years ago) link

Have never listened to the show, read the article, I think i follow a couple of them on twitter. I hadn't realized they responded to the article with vicious mockery on their show, that's kind of a bummer since I saw them responding to outraged CTH devotees on twitter with essentially "chill the fuck out, it was a pretty good profile."

JoeStork, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:39 (three years ago) link

in the following episode they emphasized that they were embarrassed by people defending them

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:40 (three years ago) link

I think the 'jerks being jerks' stuff is overstated. I've listened to 10-12 eps now and there's nothing really offensive? They pick on dweeby Twitter people and pundits.

The episodes where they read from Ross Douthat and Megan McCardle's books are the best I've heard, followed by the interview with Adam Curtis.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:47 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to progressive causes by something stronger than the tether between Hot Shots: Part Deux and the US Navy?

It's an Air America show that can survive on its listener base, I don't think anyone's expecting them to start a revolution with a podcast. It's amusing to listen to a talk show with an actual left-wing viewpoint.

At least some of them are active with DSA and similar groups but they're also just relatively privileged liberal arts college NYC alt-media people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 01:51 (three years ago) link

I'm realizing I could have asked the same question about Das Racist (RIP) and gotten kind of the same answer and it would have been fine. Why I felt the need to ask it of a podcast as if that requires a different kind of "authentic" pedigree is weird, and my thinking needs unpacking on that

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:00 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain to me how this podcast and its Patreon patrons are connected to dirtbag causes?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 02:35 (three years ago) link

I think I need it explained to me how they are not directly related

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:20 (three years ago) link

I've listened to most episodes, it's a great podcast. Their coverage of the primaries was often very funny. An early ep had a great guest who detailed the situation w teacher strikes in Mexico. Occasionally they do succumb to the more deluded and counter productive tendencies of hardcore Berners though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 03:43 (three years ago) link

i'll out myself. matt's a thoughtful guy. felix is lol in most moods and he reminds me eerily of turkey-obsessed college friends i miss; also i found his les mis reading compelling. will clearly guides the whole thing and holds episodes together but imo is the blankest when he goes on the attack. some episodes really are just them giggling at their own press clips. thought it was completely hilarious that their william f buckley impression was actually a capt. peter peachfuzz impression.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:40 (three years ago) link

obviously the keep it negative dickhole zing crew should run podcasting

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:42 (three years ago) link

I don't think "keep it negative" is a fair summation of their worldview

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:44 (three years ago) link

a vigorous and funny response to the alt-right is probably a good thing, but this just sounds like a load of jerks being jerks

maybe if we brainstormed some more descriptions of trump's hair

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

afaict they're in the same gen x/millenial straddler segment as a bunch of my peers, sneer at the gen x detachment and corporate institutions equally, and are well-versed in the web communities that predate the 4chan weird bullshit, parallel to or members of somethingawful and other shit of the time

idk it's a thing where every political opinion coming from them seems like a deep-seated reaction from living through the late 90s and early 00s and that's the lens

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

douthat rip is savage

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4. By the time they're talking about current events, Trump's first term will be over

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:24 (three years ago) link

I thoroughly enjoy the Chapo Trap House. When I first discovered it it felt like a real catharsis to hear other people roughly my age or a little younger shredding New Democratism and bad centrist punditry of both liberal and conservative varieties but not in a lefty crank, counterpunch sort of way.

I can't say I love the new format with more regulars and preferred the dynamic of just Felix-Matt-Will. I like Amber and Virgil Texas individually I just don't feel like the show works as well with them regularly participating.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:27 (three years ago) link

ALSO as I think we talked about a little on the podcast thread, it seems harder for them to find their footing in a Trump world, now that the irrelevant centrist punditry has actually been rendered irrelevant.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:39 (three years ago) link

I'm trying to catch up to the Trap House but these things are like 90 minutes long. I'm on episode 4.

I've found that playback at 1.25x speed can be your friend.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 05:52 (three years ago) link

i couldn't get through an episode of this, even though i generally agree with them

it just... isn't funny at all, or insightful. probably because the things that are funny and insightful in sad leftist twitter aren't funny outside of sad leftist twitter

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:16 (three years ago) link

Whiney, just listen to the Freeway Ross Douthat episode then skip to current events. Discussing the conventions doesn't really work as entertainment six months after the fact.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:20 (three years ago) link

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:22 (three years ago) link

I tried to listen to an episode but I just found it unbearable, but I realize I should have listened before I read that interview they did with Paste, which is hands down the most embarrassing thing I read last year: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/07/chapo-trap-house-are-the-vulgar-brilliant-demigods.html

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:24 (three years ago) link

i've encountered enough asshole know-it-all leftists on twitter (including at least one of the chapo guys, i think) that i haven't exactly been eager to give this a try.

Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:25 (three years ago) link

"I haven't listened to this but I don't like it based on reading an article about it" is the most boring and non-contributing thing you can possibly say.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:28 (three years ago) link

Except I did listen to it?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:29 (three years ago) link

Like, "I tried to listen to an episode" is the first goddamn thing I say in my post

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 06:30 (three years ago) link

They do definitely reflect the worst of leftist Twitter at times. Like it's clear from recent episodes their way of continuing in Trump World will be to still hammer Clinton relentlessly land act like centrist democrats are worse than actual fascists. They are really mad at Hillary for losing to Trump when all I heard from them for months was that she was just as bad.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:13 (three years ago) link

The show works better for me when Matt or Amber bring up something that show they've done a but more homework on this stuff.

My particular fave episodes are stuff like having on Adam Curtis, Matt Karp on his book on Antebellum American politics setting up race science and eugenics shit trickling down to Breitbart, or even the pilot ep of sorts where they excoriate the weird mentality behind Michael Bay's "13 Hours."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:23 (three years ago) link

xp p sure they're mad at hillary for beating bernie with the weight of the DNC behind her, propping up trump as an easy win and then running an embarrassing general election campaign built on "of course i'll win"

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:45 (three years ago) link

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:49 (three years ago) link

Nerderik P.

salthigh, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:17 (three years ago) link

The "weight of the DNC" that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow. We can blame this vague "rigging" for Bernie's loss (and not acknowledge that maybe he should campaigned in the south) but can't admit the Comey letter had an effect on Hillary's?

After the primary was pretty much over they called the differences between Trump and Clinton "a wash". Matt Christman perpetuated the deluded idea that the Bernie delegates at the Nevada caucus were "disenfranchised", just as one example. Granted it wasn't the job of the left to get Hillary elected (I'd have personally preferred Bernie for a number of reasons) but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign. Many Dems have been able to acknowledge that she was a vulnerable candidate that we were stuck with because not enough people ran but it seems like it would literally kill many on the left to just say "we got carried away".

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:23 (three years ago) link

but you don't get to act mad at her campaign for losing when you perpetuated the equivalency narrative throughout the campaign

You kind of do? I listened to the post-DNC podcasts and a lot of commentary revolved around things that seemed iffy even at the time when it seemed like a lock - trotting out Mike Bloomberg, the lineup of neocon security/military people lining up for Hillary, etc.. It goes back to 2000/2002 - if you're going to present Republican-lite as the face of the party why wouldn't the voters who are into that just vote for real Republicans? They were also right back then on focusing on decency being poor judgement.

Were the Hillary fainting jokes in bad taste? Sure. That's still the most tiresome part of the podcast, but it's also a fairly small part of it.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:33 (three years ago) link

Funny thing about Bloomberg is we was one of the few convention speakers who got kind of a positive reaction from the Bernie or busters there when he mentioned that he described himself as an "independent" what or John Lewis got anti-tpp chants. There was definitely messaging problems w HRC's campaign but given the consequences of the election (potential loss of social programs for one) people with visibility on the left seemed reluctant to encourage voting for the obviously better choice of the corny old lady and pickedvthr campsign apart for things all high level campaigns do becuae they were probably confident she was going to win anyway.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 08:55 (three years ago) link

Also, encouraging people to spread "Bernie Would've Won" memes is pretty asshole-ish and counter productive but I don't know maybe stopping actual fascism will require purging People who don't hate Hillary but I could be wrong.

โ€• Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:23 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't think spreading memes has ever been productive in any direction

seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy

this is some gluing humpty dumpty together again shit

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:00 (three years ago) link

that Bernie's ramshackle campaign couldn't overcome but Obama could somehow

yeah it's almost like these are two different candidates running on entirely different platforms with entirely different relationships to the DNC

how close are you to running out the "of course the DNC sank bernie, he wasn't a member of their party!" argument that was briefly popular 8 months ago in an entirely different america

qualx, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:04 (three years ago) link

Yes, Mike Bloomberg is a well-known figure on the socialist lecture circuit. Hugely popular on the left. Yuge.

It is a reminder that the one thing worse than jokes about Hillary's medical problems is the narrative around BernieBros and "Bernie or Busters" where whatever ills that pop into your head can be ascribed to them.

The fundamental disconnect here appears to be your belief that the left's issue with Clinton is that she was "corny."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (three years ago) link

xxp obvs

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:06 (three years ago) link

I never said "everything was perfect w HRC's messaging except that leftist twitter and this podcast didn't like it". I'd have preferred a different candidate but Hillary won the primary, she was obviously the better candidate compared to Trump. When you vote for a candidate you are voting a coalition into office. Making equivrlrncies beyeeen her and Trump was ridiculous then (kind of offensive actually when you put in perspective ) and looks even more ridiculous now. Maybe you can post the photo of them at a party together I've seen a million times and I'll withdraw that.

We have social media, we know the left got "carried away" I don''t see the point in denying that base level reality. I mean people were literally crying st the convention because they thought Bernie would get the nomination somehow.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:12 (three years ago) link

kinda like liberals were hoping beyond hope that the Electoral College would swoop in and save the day - shit happens when you get emotionally invested.

I don't know what false equivalencies you're talking about, I've heard the Chapo people repeatedly talk (without irony) about Trump and the GOP's fascism, the worst they've said about centrist Dems is "managerial neoliberalism."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 09:25 (three years ago) link

it's the duty of all good dirtbag leftists to shut up and keep compromising with (read: unquestioningly supporting) managerial neolibs. it's the new realism, baby.

Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 10:03 (three years ago) link

I mentioned it before, a direct quote, I think it was Christman who called the choice between Trump and HRC "a wash". They used the example of Harlow's "wire monkey" experiments to bemoan the false difference between the two for a couple of episodes. Will Menaker was pretty insistent that HRC was intent on invading Iran which reminds me of Michael Tracy's now mocked POV that Trump was the peace candidate between the two , guest Jeremy Schahill seemed to take him back when he said that he thought Trump was likely to invade a country and she wasn't. Amber said on twitter that the DNC leaks had evidence of "massive corruption" which on one level I have to wonder is that disingenuous or just dumb? But I have a particular ire for people on the left who say those leaks constitute actual whistleblowing, you're basically continuing a right wing smear when you do that.

I genuinely like the show a lot. It's one of my favorite podcasts I find most of the analysis good. There are just these points of obstinance the left has that are troubling toward the end of unifying the party and there is no hope of the primary is relitigard forever. Smugly tweeting "Bernie Would Have Won" at people might be kind of shitty I don't know.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 10:06 (three years ago) link

What's the point of politics if you can't be smug

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 11:05 (three years ago) link

just listened to the adam curtis episode. good stuff. can see the point now. remains to be seen whether they can sell a valid vision of a chapo trap house world though

illbient microtonal poetry Surbiton (imago), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 11:31 (three years ago) link

Also in this sketch Felix name checks โ€œmisogynoir,โ€ a word made up and used exclusively by grad students who donโ€™t have enough characters left to type โ€œmisogyny against black women.โ€

Weird dig from the writer re 'exclusively by grad students' - too scared to put 'pretentious' or what?

nashwan, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 11:50 (three years ago) link

Side note that term was invented BY a Black woman (actually queer Black feminist writer Moya Bailey) who presumably is entitled to describe her own experience and see if people like her agree. Clearly at least some do. Conversation over.

If authoritarianism is Romania's ironing board, then (in orbit), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:11 (three years ago) link

I still listen to this (the free show) though I'm annoyed by how often they can't seem to get an episode going and fall into the podcasting stereotype of being guys in a room cracking each other up with in-jokes while not being very entertaining.

Also, can't wait for the one dude to retire his hilarious Hillary impression, which is just an oddly emphasized madlib over and over: "I may not be (90s cultural figure) but I can really (phrase associated with that figure)."

I do laugh at the stuff they read sometimes, but it seems like lengthy re-enactments of Taibbi close-reading a Tom Friedman book, except that the people they attack are often twitter nobodies.

The clip of Michael Rappaport dissing them and their "coffee smelling breath" was funny though.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:29 (three years ago) link

being a completionist about a politics podcast is the most onion a/v club thing i've ever heard

Listening to a podcast is the most Onion a/v Club thing and I'm embarrassed enough as is.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:47 (three years ago) link

can someone explain to me what the hell michael rappaport's deal is? like i only recently figured out he did that ATCQ documentary thing (haven't seen it) and is a comedian/actor that's been in a bunch of stuff, but apparently he's also the broiest man alive and beefs with his teen son on twitter?

if this is too much of a sidebar i'll take it elsewhere

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:50 (three years ago) link

slogging through a pre-election podcast sounds fucking miserable

marcos, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 14:53 (three years ago) link

Yeah the post election EP was enough misery for me

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:04 (three years ago) link

and given that this toolbag seems to be the presumptive 2020 favorite of the DNC, which has not shown any indication of shifting platform aside from a few pockets of support for keith ellison, keeping the fire under the democrats might be the only thing that saves us from 4 additional years of actual fascism

โ€• qualx

obviously there's room for enlightened disagreement, but from my perspective running a podcast where you call pundits "retards" is not an effective way of holding the democrats' feet to the fire. i'm getting a little bit sick of "resistance" movements that are run like the fuckin no man's sky kickstarter. yes, i'm very impressed with their dank meme stash, but perhaps now is the time to move in, run candidates with actual values, get people to the primaries, and take over.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:04 (three years ago) link

sounds hard

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:05 (three years ago) link

it's not, really. bunch of prince hals playing at being guttersnipes. hey, you clever white boys, the world is yours. it has always been yours. come and take it.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:16 (three years ago) link

Whether or not I agree with all rhetorical tactics, spreading the word re the uselessness of the pundit class and the Dem establishment is worthy work imo. They can do a lot to improve and become more effective critics and I hope they do.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:18 (three years ago) link

They're basically doing what a bunch of bloggers have been doing for a decade or so, except they record it now in addition to typing it. I don't know why kicking off the revolution is their responsibility all of a sudden.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 15:24 (three years ago) link

Seriously, if a bunch of dudes want to be the Dice Clay version of PJ O'Rourke in their spare time, they shouldn't be accountable to a fucking thing.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:01 (three years ago) link

you know the rules boys, unless you devote every last second of your time and every last ounce of your strength to the struggle then you're not allowed to criticize anything

Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:08 (three years ago) link

because nothing speaks to sincerity like being a career pol

Rock Wokeman (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:08 (three years ago) link

Sweet, glad someone made a thread for these guys. Friend of mine turned me onto them a month before the election. The discussion about essentializing black ppl and calling them "magical" a couple episodes ago was great. & ripping apart the game theory guy. Weird intersection of radio worlds the other day with Rapaport, Nainan, and Adomian featured.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:15 (three years ago) link

I got really on board about ten eps ago and have since almost caught up on every episode.

if you want a good intro listen to any episode about caleb, that is some of the funniest shit ever... poor caleb

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:21 (three years ago) link

dont really care about this podcast but 'bernie would have won' is a good meme

ciderpress, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:28 (three years ago) link

"seriously didn't realize there were still people aside from high ranking democrat pols and frederik who think the answer to defeating trumpism over the next 4 years is to double down on the 2016 strategy"

It's insane that I got this response. It couldn't be more of a reply to something I absolutely did not say, and I took pains to avoid being misread as some kind Hillarista argument. But it's pretty much indicative of the obstinacy of leftist twitter orthodoxy I brought up in the first place. It's like when you mention that Bernie didn't get the votes of older POC in primary, I get that it really bothers people to hear that (and it doesn't mean that he couldn't have gotten those votes in the general or a better run primary campaign where he acts like he's running to win from the start and not a "proving a point" campaign). The "rigged" narrative is toxic and seems childish to perpetuate. What do we mean when we say that? That the votes aren't real? We are aware that there's a vocal contingent of Bernie supporters that think Hillary won because "voter fraud" right? So yeah "carried away" it shouldn't be impossible to admit this.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:45 (three years ago) link

ooh look a second politics thread

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:46 (three years ago) link

can someone explain to me what the hell michael rappaport's deal is? like i only recently figured out he did that ATCQ documentary thing (haven't seen it) and is a comedian/actor that's been in a bunch of stuff, but apparently he's also the broiest man alive and beefs with his teen son on twitter?

if this is too much of a sidebar i'll take it elsewhere

โ€• mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't have the answer, tho I thought the teen son beef thing was somehow faked? idk I guess id like to know the deal too. he was a gd actor circa 20 yrs ago

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:49 (three years ago) link

ooh look a second politics thread

Sad lol, I swear this was not my intention

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:57 (three years ago) link

anyway imo these guys suck

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 16:59 (three years ago) link

expand on that

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:15 (three years ago) link

no

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:16 (three years ago) link

Good man.

Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:20 (three years ago) link

ooh look a second politics thread

โ€• who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson)

holy shit, never would have predicted a discussion about a political podcast would turn political. is nothing safe anymore?

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:43 (three years ago) link

We should be taking about what kind of mics these guys use.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:47 (three years ago) link

Yeah tbh their shitty mic situation turned me off at first. Way too tinny.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:47 (three years ago) link

these dudes sound pretty unpleasant tbh

oh, the smelling salts

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:48 (three years ago) link

I guess more than general politics stuff I'm interested in new and (relatively) popular manifestations of dissent from the far left

I think it's interesting to compare/contrast their approach with (I guess?) their closest Canadian counterpart, the crowdfunded media criticism network Canadaland, which is much less dirtbag-y and more academic but similarly inclined to mock the pundit class. Their attempts to become a broader outlet of sorts has been hampered by their lack of dough.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 17:52 (three years ago) link

ooh look a second politics thread

โ€• who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson)

holy shit, never would have predicted a discussion about a political podcast would turn political. is nothing safe anymore?

โ€• increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:43 AM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're right, nm, change my answer to: thrilled to have identical circular fights for the next four years

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:33 (three years ago) link

sorry for the sarcasm. i too get tired of the same old shit propagating itself in new forms, particularly when the cause of the propagation is to try and escape the old forms. but we're all the same people, and we wind up saying the same things no matter what thread we do it on. my conclusion is that this particular medium is currently unsuited to meaningful political discussion.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:39 (three years ago) link

we should start a podcast

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:45 (three years ago) link

you clearly haven't heard my lisp

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:50 (three years ago) link

didn't stop Mike Cernovitch

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 18:52 (three years ago) link

its premium only but the reign over me episode was pretty amazing. as punditry you can get the same stuff from lots of places, and tbh the more political import people imbue the show with i think the more boring its going to get. the anarchic structure and comedic stuff is what keeps me coming around. the part i find the dullest, because i actually already spend too much time on twitter is the "this week on weird twitter" roundup where i already know most of the stuff they're covering. the reading series is better to the extent i wouldn't have encountered this stuff otherwise, and to the extent they can find real gems. there was one where they had the niall ferguson article comparing brexit to divorce which was pretty great. stuff like that is where the vulgarity shines -- where there's already this insanely pathological sexual not-so-subtext to things and it deserves to be stated openly with appropriate language.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:01 (three years ago) link

again it was a fish in a barrel type deal but the Ben Shapiro book reading segment was v funny

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 19:07 (three years ago) link

Chapo trap house is great. One of the few reliable sources of levity for me over the past year as things became increasingly bleak.

A lot of the show's detractors have clearly never even listened to an episode. They seem to get the idea that the show is some kind of left wing version of early 2000s hipster Vice "edgy" humor which is really not the case. It's a bunch of sarcastic dorks talking politics.

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:16 (three years ago) link

wow there really is no appealing way to describe it

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:44 (three years ago) link

lol you guys got me, I started listening to an episode and within minutes there was a joke about how one of them actually killed an abortion doctor... because he wasn't doing an abortion fast enough

no edgy comments here guys

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:45 (three years ago) link

i think they're equally sincere and sarcastic, that's the appeal for me. there isn't any other place to clown on pundits and twitter idiots like eichenwald, garland, douthat, shapiro, etc

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:46 (three years ago) link

there is... it's called.... twitter

someone recently said eichenwald was lib commenters favorite republican writer now, and I had no idea anyone took him seriously because i apparently follow no earnest liberal ppl and just get all the jokes about how he's horrible

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:49 (three years ago) link

I'm not deep into weird political twitter and Chapo is a nice digest

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:53 (three years ago) link

hope they can resist doing an entire episode about Josh Marshall of TPM (presumably) accidentally tweeting a pr0nhub link

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:55 (three years ago) link

they pretty much took care of that in the last 10 minutes of monday's episode

flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:59 (three years ago) link

where there's already this insanely pathological sexual not-so-subtext to things and it deserves to be stated openly with appropriate language.

Yeah, their ability to cut thru the psychosexual/psychodrama that acts the primary animus of so many political figues(be they anti-trans bathroom warriors or pundits obsessed with divorce court) moreso than any actual ideology or political belief.

This really came to the fore when they attempted to interview Matthew Walther, a RW catholic writer from the Washington Free Beacon. They took a good shot at discussing the guy's POV before it all went to shit, and the guy started rapidly dissembling in real-time. The resulting audio was rejected as a premium show and just posted to YT.

Matt had a very funny blow up moment about 20 minutes in when it became clear the guy had no intention of actually defending what he claimed.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 20:59 (three years ago) link

i think they're equally sincere and sarcastic

I agree with this; despite their rep they seem pretty earnest

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 21:00 (three years ago) link

That's the real trap, isn't it. When too much of your schtick relies on snark and attack without actually being *for* anything, you can fall down into complete hipster nihilism. Sorta the vibe I first remember encountering from reading too many Suck.com columns at once 20 years ago.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 21:38 (three years ago) link

I'm listening to their episode about Hamilton/Kevin Williamson

Nothing better than people who think that they're better everyone calling other people "elites."

altony rightano (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:21 (three years ago) link

well i only call people I know are powerful AND worse than me elite. It's a select group.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:23 (three years ago) link

*xp better than everyone, obviously

altony rightano (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:25 (three years ago) link

someone recently said eichenwald was lib commenters favorite republican writer now, and I had no idea anyone took him seriously because i apparently follow no earnest liberal ppl and just get all the jokes about how he's horrible

โ€• mh ๐Ÿ˜, Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:49 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the only confirmation i get that anyway takes the idiots they clown seriously is from occasionally checking in on ilx politics threads.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 22:58 (three years ago) link

With some of the people they clown it almost doesn't matter whether anyone takes them seriously. I had never even heard of a lot of them, and that's part of the fun, just discovering these kooky B-list hacks who continue to exist somehow although no one reads them.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:06 (three years ago) link

the ep where they introduce ron fournier is pretty great for that reason. the affection for kooks and oddballs hiding in plain sight.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:09 (three years ago) link

Also everything "Nerdstrom Poindexter" has said in this thread is pretty much the opposite of what has actually happened on the show, p sure he has not listened to it.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:09 (three years ago) link

The eps about the columnist who writes an annual column about his son are amazing.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:10 (three years ago) link

Huh? I've pretty much directly quoted things. I've listened to most episodes. Again the aspects I've criticized don't comprise the whole of the show just mirror the sort of ridiculous orthodoxies of the leftist twitter world it's a byproduct of.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:14 (three years ago) link

X-post

Haha yes Caleb!

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:18 (three years ago) link

YES, everyone missing the point which is LISTEN TO THESE GUYS CLOWN ON JEFF JACOBY'S CALEB ARTICLES

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Wednesday, 4 January 2017 23:57 (three years ago) link

the Shapiro and Doubt-that bits had me laughing like a loon. these guys are ok by me even if they veer off into the whole "no really HRC and libby elites *should* be locked up" a little much. but that seems as much hyperbolic comedy device as visceral hate (which i have no doubt they harbor) idk

will, Thursday, 5 January 2017 00:07 (three years ago) link

They revisited recently but in an earlier ep accounted of then described attending various GOP primary events. The Kasich stuff (then introduced by Montez Williams) is great. He's characterized as an emotional dad who wants to start a conversation in a hardware store and they talk about how that is his very specific demographic.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 5 January 2017 00:13 (three years ago) link

* in an earlier ep they deacribef...*Montel Williams (of course)

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 5 January 2017 00:15 (three years ago) link

boring does not mean annoying

a but (brimstead), Thursday, 5 January 2017 00:34 (three years ago) link

guys I think they've been reading this thread
https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-70-wills-disclaimer-1417

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 January 2017 00:52 (three years ago) link

of course they have because we are IMPORTANT CRITICAL VOICES

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 January 2017 02:06 (three years ago) link

Today's premium episode was good, and the strongest they've done since talking to Adam Curtis.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 5 January 2017 02:17 (three years ago) link

what do you guys think the M stands for duhhhh

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why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Thursday, 5 January 2017 02:23 (three years ago) link

the one weird thing to me about the general leftist online community represented by chapo is that their support (that i share!) of bernie sanders has crossed over from "this person would have been a better choice than hillary clinton and represents a better way forward for the democratic party" to a sort of cultish reverence that i find to be like incompatible w/ the way they view pretty much every other politician. like dudes like @crushingbort on twitter (rightly) shit on pretty much every living politician and then genuinely like retweet bernie sanders statements. makes me trust them less.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 January 2017 02:25 (three years ago) link

i don't like bernie at all but can appreciate some of the reasons ppl rally around him.... i will say i really don't understand what ppl actually expect from bernie himself (especially at this point) other than basically memes?

sleepingbag, Thursday, 5 January 2017 02:35 (three years ago) link

to have an unexpected figurehead in a high chamber of government who illustrates the possible viability of the ideas they like? i don't see why that's hard

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:08 (three years ago) link

Bernie Sanders is a United States senator.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:09 (three years ago) link

no shit

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:13 (three years ago) link

Heroes and drinking: bad ideas, but hey

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:16 (three years ago) link

was responding to

" i will say i really don't understand what ppl actually expect from bernie himself (especially at this point) other than basically memes?"

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:20 (three years ago) link

Bernie Sanders is a United States senator.

โ€• the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:09 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is he a particularly good one?

sleepingbag, Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:26 (three years ago) link

fuck sorry ok we don't have to do this

sleepingbag, Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:27 (three years ago) link

Don't we

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:32 (three years ago) link

Maybe you do
Maybe none of us really have choices

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:40 (three years ago) link

I've never heard one of their podcasts, so I can't address whatever acerbities they apparently deliver to their fan base, but I can figure out that, unless they move people to do something directed, organized, and politically effective, they are just entertainers who riff on politics, much as Jon Stewart was on the Daily Show. If so, then they are acting more like "fellow travelers" than bona fide socialist activists. Which is OK, but nothing to get excited about other than in a fanboy kind of way.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:53 (three years ago) link

is he a particularly good one?

if we grade on a curve, he's easily in the top quintile, so, yes.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:55 (three years ago) link

Which is OK, but nothing to get excited about other than in a fanboy kind of way.

Well, yeah. It's just a good podcast.

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 January 2017 03:56 (three years ago) link

Which they explicitly say in today's show, even.

Here, click this; it's a tiny excerpt, just 2:22 long.

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-70-wills-disclaimer-1417

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 5 January 2017 04:00 (three years ago) link

Hah yeah I was gonna say

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Thursday, 5 January 2017 04:08 (three years ago) link

(Although i think they are wrong politics really is mostly voting - either by voters or legislatures)

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Thursday, 5 January 2017 04:08 (three years ago) link

Christman is an absolute master of the rant, even though he has occasionally repeated himself.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 5 January 2017 04:27 (three years ago) link

Agreed but he needs to work on his mic technique, he always sounds far away

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 January 2017 04:28 (three years ago) link

didn't much like the last soundcloud ep but the new patreon one (#70, the one that clip's from), is v good as summation of their ideology and deal, if not unique+informative like their interviews can be. good time to jump on.

gonna have to change my life in 2017 because matt routinely yells into the mic on a ~24hr delay exactly the same shit i yell at my gf while driving (i swear after painstaking disclaimers to the effect of pls tell me to stfu whenever) and i guess he's getting $10k a month for it?

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 07:34 (three years ago) link

that sounded bitterer than i meant. have found him a fucking relief to listen to tbh.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 07:37 (three years ago) link

(note my textbook b-bro behavior.)

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 07:38 (three years ago) link

the one weird thing to me about the general leftist online community represented by chapo is that their support (that i share!) of bernie sanders has crossed over from "this person would have been a better choice than hillary clinton and represents a better way forward for the democratic party" to a sort of cultish reverence that i find to be like incompatible w/ the way they view pretty much every other politician. like dudes like @crushingbort on twitter (rightly) shit on pretty much every living politician and then genuinely like retweet bernie sanders statements. makes me trust them less.

i'm not on twitter but they don't behave w cultish reverence on the show. i mean they like him. because he stands for left-wing policy and means it, in america 2017. it's not complicated.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 08:01 (three years ago) link

they're certainly not expecting any kind of rescue from him.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 08:02 (three years ago) link

I simply cannot grasp how a bunch of socialists and social democrats are so seemingly fond of the only national political figure who could be described as either one.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 January 2017 08:36 (three years ago) link

was jesus really that much better than barrabas when u think of it

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 11:07 (three years ago) link

All that stuff Jesus said on the Mount was really not so different from the things Barrabas would holler at his gf while driving

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Thursday, 5 January 2017 11:13 (three years ago) link

en revanche tho

would we in this alternate scenario just have made a messiah of barbie, were the barbiebros just waiting for the circumstances

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Thursday, 5 January 2017 11:17 (three years ago) link

I've never heard one of their podcasts, so I can't address whatever acerbities they apparently deliver to their fan base, but I can figure out that, unless they move people to do something directed, organized, and politically effective, they are just entertainers who riff on politics, much as Jon Stewart was on the Daily Show. If so, then they are acting more like "fellow travelers" than bona fide socialist activists. Which is OK, but nothing to get excited about other than in a fanboy kind of way.

Is anyone excited about them in more than a fanboy way tho? I really can't comprehend how the existence and/or popularity of political comedy or jokey political commentary upsets some of you guys. I listen to this podcast for the same reason I read politics threads on this board, because there are jokes and occasional interesting points, not because I think we're activating change.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2017 13:37 (three years ago) link

I guess it must be the media attention that's getting people up in arms. I mean, The Professional Left podcast has been obsessing over Ron Fournier and David Brooks for 7 years.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2017 13:41 (three years ago) link

if you want a left podcast with actual leftist activists, listen to delete your account

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Thursday, 5 January 2017 14:45 (three years ago) link

(to the tune of $30k+ per month coming in via Pateron)

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Thursday, 5 January 2017 14:47 (three years ago) link

i mean they like him. because he stands for left-wing policy

Did they ever address Sanders' "yeah, targeted drone killings, keep going" statement of last spring?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:08 (three years ago) link

imo whispering "bernie would have won" as a twitter meme is, in part, a reaction to any anti-trump sentiment being replied to with a torrent of "clinton is horrible, dnc is horrible, etc"

it's like some shorthand for a third way

also imo it's a funny meme

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Thursday, 5 January 2017 16:38 (three years ago) link

I simply cannot grasp how a bunch of socialists and social democrats are so seemingly fond of the only national political figure who could be described as either one.

โ€• Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 January 2017 08:36 (eight hours ago) Permalink

The point isn't that there are politicians they agree with more, they're hilariously joyless about Bernie in a way that feels hypocritical. If I read another stupid post by the show's acolytes with "the Bernie bro smear" ...

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:29 (three years ago) link

Anyway I've never listened to this show but the people who follow them are super annoying

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:30 (three years ago) link

Judging something by its fans is silly... having said that, super irritated by Will's fucked up pronunciation of "hilarious" in latest episode ("hiLAHrious")

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:55 (three years ago) link

he also pronounced the adjective "august" like the month about five closely spaced times in a row

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:58 (three years ago) link

... how else do you pronounce august

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Thursday, 5 January 2017 17:59 (three years ago) link

aw-gust (as in gust of wind)

sleeve, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:00 (three years ago) link

emphasis on the second syllable

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:00 (three years ago) link

The point isn't that there are politicians they agree with more, they're hilariously joyless about Bernie in a way that feels hypocritical. If I read another stupid post by the show's acolytes with "the Bernie bro smear" ...

...

Anyway I've never listened to this show

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:04 (three years ago) link

Re: "Bernie Would Have Won"

Is it? It seems pretty expressly synonymous with "we were right"/gesture of dismissal, this is based on who I've seen use it. Part of the joke is to keep repeating it after someone tries to debate with you. A third way would be "Bernie 2020" or something like that (granted it's not funny or not funny because it isn't mean). I could understand it as a reply if someone was blaming Bernie or definitively saying "Bernie wouldn't have one", neither position I agree with.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:05 (three years ago) link

the real needle in "bernie would have won" is that it means "hillary could have won"

goole, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:06 (three years ago) link

imo the joy is realizing there's very little hay in that needlestack

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:07 (three years ago) link

it's just a bit of a laugh, bit of a joke. "Bernie Would Have Won," at least used by the Chapo guys, is not some hectoring catchphrase. remember these guys are deep into weird twitter where stuff like "hope jobs cash" and @KattWillFerrell were born.

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:09 (three years ago) link

I don't know those dudes really hate Hillary. I'm glad going forward we're free of the Clinton baggage and not having to defend them anymore but this year seeing the left I was just like "holy shit can we walk this back a bit?". Will Menaker actually told Adam Curtis "hey to should make your next movie about the Clinton campaign!" and I starte to wonder are they going to reach back to complaining about stuff like Lena Dunham doing some campaign video barely anyone knows about throughout the next 4 years?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:25 (three years ago) link

It seems pretty expressly synonymous with "we were right"

yeah that's what it means. it matters who was right about democratic party political strategy in 2016. the party is going to have to have an argument with itself and decide who was right, so that it can decide what to do. "bernie 2020" is a goofy wish for the future -- i certainly hope bernie's not still the only left dem choice in 2020 and i certainly hope the left doesn't spend four years sitting around hoping for bernie. "bernie would've won" is an assertion about the past. making those is how you decide what to do. xps

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:26 (three years ago) link

Judging something by its fans is silly...

But this is what the Chapo bros do with Hamilton

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:27 (three years ago) link

Not really, they mostly made fun of the play itself and its shitty, unlistenable music.

flappy bird, Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:32 (three years ago) link

fu

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:38 (three years ago) link

I am pro-Hamilton as a musical but anti-Hamilton as a thing pols and libs cite seriously as An Inspiration so their hatred of it kinda warms my heart tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:08 (three years ago) link

I love when people rap about dead presidents, but for some reason not into a show based on one president performed as rap

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:28 (three years ago) link

President Hamilton yo

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:29 (three years ago) link

Did they ever address Sanders' "yeah, targeted drone killings, keep going" statement of last spring?

โ€• Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 5, 2017 6:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sry morbs i've been ignoring this only because i hoped someone else would remember. i meant left econ policy of course. there's a good ep w jeremy scahill that's plenty caustic about drone policy and that i don't remember having too much fucking around in it, maybe there's a mention in there.

suspect yr implication is correct and that they more or less let it pass, but that's because their wing's support for bernie at this point is not based on his singular personal moral purity or even the moral superiority of leftism (tho the latter remains regardless) but on his and its ability to win.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:34 (three years ago) link

I don't think Sanders had a coherent plan as far as what to do about military action. I mean, he went into the primary season not expecting to do as well as he did and was trying to push an economic/social(ist) platform and that remained the focus until he dropped out. I have no clue what he would have done had he actually gotten to the point of having to address it. If you check out his platform, it's under the vaguely titled "War and Peace" 3/4 of the way down the page
https://berniesanders.com/issues/

The general race didn't have anyone pushing the quality of life of people in other countries or the ongoing military presence outside of vague references to Syria and who was for or against invading Iraq (who gives a fuck, it's over a decade later, how about current events). Drones = less Americans on the ground and less questioning whether there should be an American presence at all because no one's on the ground so people don't seem to care

even the plight of people in Syria became a joke (Johnson's Aleppo gaffe) or some sort of token Russian interference implication in the Clinton/Trump debates, which was gross

brb vomiting into my trash can

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:43 (three years ago) link

all otm.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 5 January 2017 22:43 (three years ago) link

The point isn't that there are politicians they agree with more, they're hilariously joyless about Bernie in a way that feels hypocritical. If I read another stupid post by the show's acolytes with "the Bernie bro smear" ...
...

Anyway I've never listened to this show
โ€• Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 5 January 2017 18:04 (yesterday) Permalink

How is this a contradiction?

And no it's not actually dumb to be dismissive of something bc of how it's followers act

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 6 January 2017 00:30 (three years ago) link

I'm sure if I listen I'll find some equivalent of "the Bernie bro smear."

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 6 January 2017 00:32 (three years ago) link

its hugely dumb to be dismissive of something because of how its followers act

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2017 00:50 (three years ago) link

like au contraire or w/e but cmon

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2017 00:51 (three years ago) link

lol there were literally a handful of people at my caucus in '08 chanting "obama! obama!" during the negotiation phase following the initial vote

darn obama bros

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 6 January 2017 01:28 (three years ago) link

can we all just lock this thread and FP each other? that's the result. Let's move quickly

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 6 January 2017 01:36 (three years ago) link

they swallowed the bambrosia

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2017 01:37 (three years ago) link

its hugely dumb to be dismissive of something because of how its followers act

It's been said you shall know the tree by its fruit, but otoh the quality of the fruit usually varies a lot on the same tree, so what does that say, eh?

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, 6 January 2017 01:48 (three years ago) link

a root and branch examination required

loudmouth darraghmac ween (darraghmac), Friday, 6 January 2017 01:53 (three years ago) link

give it its natural manure

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 January 2017 02:02 (three years ago) link

full length version of the remix they use for the theme song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EaMFALFVU

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 6 January 2017 08:58 (three years ago) link

great interview with Felix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxU94bxoeuo

flappy bird, Friday, 6 January 2017 18:12 (three years ago) link

annoyed and suspicious though that these guys struggle with pronouncing certain words (felix says "solipistic" toward the end of that vid...)

flappy bird, Friday, 6 January 2017 18:35 (three years ago) link

I'm not. English ain't a phonetic language, and if you primarily deal in written words moreso than talkin', stumbling can occur.

I still have problems pronouncing "epistemological," for example.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 6 January 2017 19:16 (three years ago) link

yeh i usually take the mispronunciation of complexish words to indicate an autodidact and i trust autodidacts even in our terrifying era of Fakery

he totally fails to get to the bottom of this "cuck" shit tho

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:19 (three years ago) link

def nitpicking here, i'm just used to radio people and people that have been podcasting for years, i know these guys have only been doing it for a year

flappy bird, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:23 (three years ago) link

lol makes me remember in college when hipster students were making fun of a girl for mispronouncing "Foucault" in class--but I only took it to mean she'd actually been reading whereas they had just been listening to people yammer about him.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 6 January 2017 19:31 (three years ago) link

otm

I was a voracious reader as a kid and probably mispronounced more than my fair share of words when I had college roommates to talk to all the time.

It does say something about the level of social and political engagement we're talking about, though -- if you're out in your community knocking on doors for candidates, talking to people after attending city council meetings, or even going to some "leftists meet at the bar" group you're going to trip over your words less than these guys do? At least if, at some point, you're used to making points to multiple people in a non-conversational way.

Some of their podcast conversations remind me of earlier in the year when I was busy doing some work on my house and mostly programming all day at work. When I actually was sitting in several meetings per day after that time, I had more than a few sentences that went nowhere and stumbled over words.

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:40 (three years ago) link

if you're out in your community knocking on doors for candidates, talking to people after attending city council meetings

kitchen-table discussions about solipsism and foucault

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:43 (three years ago) link

(no i agree expression improves w practice)

difficult listening hour, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:43 (three years ago) link

short version: I don't think these guys actually discuss any of this shit with people irl

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 6 January 2017 19:51 (three years ago) link

lol at thinking not having regular conversations about solipsism is a demerit

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 6 January 2017 21:24 (three years ago) link

nobody thought that, that was... the joke

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 6 January 2017 21:26 (three years ago) link

oh, ok. it's been a long week. sorry.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 6 January 2017 21:29 (three years ago) link

lol at the idea of chiding "elitists" for occasionally mispronouncing things

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 6 January 2017 21:35 (three years ago) link

this is the worst thread in the history of ilx, and the internet

flopson, Friday, 6 January 2017 22:14 (three years ago) link

You're welcome?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 6 January 2017 22:18 (three years ago) link

this is the worst thread in the history of ilx, and the internet

Oh come now we had a week of the Social Activism thread that was far more notable

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 6 January 2017 22:26 (three years ago) link

so glad we could turn the thread about the funny podcast with the sex jokes and the yelling at bad articles into a secondhand dissection of the organizing capacity of bernie supporters based on how somebody pronounces the word august.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Saturday, 7 January 2017 00:25 (three years ago) link

excuse me i only brought it up to illustrate these alleged leftists' craven embrace of the octavian usurpation

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 January 2017 00:38 (three years ago) link

by far the worst of the ludlums

difficult listening hour, Saturday, 7 January 2017 00:38 (three years ago) link

Is there a site that measures or tracks various Patreon accounts? I'm curious what their subscription levels have been over the past 6+ months. They've had an increase of a grand in the last week alone

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Saturday, 7 January 2017 20:10 (three years ago) link

Wow, they mentioned in a past episode that they were just below Canadaland, but they've more than doubled Canadaland's monthly take now

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:20 (three years ago) link

I think they had something like 1600 patrons when i subscribed in October but i may be misremembering.

Bubba H.O.T.A.P.E (ShariVari), Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:22 (three years ago) link

7,337 patrons as of now

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:33 (three years ago) link

Did they ever address Sanders' "yeah, targeted drone killings, keep going" statement of last spring?

โ€• Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 5, 2017 6:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sry morbs i've been ignoring this only because i hoped someone else would remember.

specifically mentioned in ep 11

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 January 2017 22:59 (three years ago) link

they're almost at $400k / year. crazy

wrinkled sweater guy (los blue jeans), Sunday, 8 January 2017 01:36 (three years ago) link

pompelmoose beardo is getting so rich off this shit

wrinkled sweater guy (los blue jeans), Sunday, 8 January 2017 01:38 (three years ago) link

I bit the bullet and subscribed, the solo eps are v different and fun

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 8 January 2017 01:59 (three years ago) link

Somebody put together an unofficial Discord group:

https://discordapp.com/invite/2w7ekS2

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 8 January 2017 07:35 (three years ago) link

Lookit that, here's some data:

https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators

Currently behind the Kinda Funny show, and...uh...Amanda Palmer.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 8 January 2017 07:50 (three years ago) link

Ok, here's the chart I was looking for:

https://graphtreon.com/creator/chapotraphouse

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 8 January 2017 07:51 (three years ago) link

Something happened on Nov 16 after I quit them, how'd they get so likey there?

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 9 January 2017 20:59 (three years ago) link

new yorker profile?

global tetrahedron, Monday, 9 January 2017 21:01 (three years ago) link

it was that or The Dirtbag Left Gazzette

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 9 January 2017 21:06 (three years ago) link

the cat poop meltdown was pretty...

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 9 January 2017 21:07 (three years ago) link

or gazette.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 9 January 2017 21:07 (three years ago) link

Has anyone listened to Cum Town? Seems to be a sister podcast of sorts but I can't figure out from the descriptions what it even is.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 9 January 2017 21:26 (three years ago) link

I've listened to a few episodes. They & the chapo guys are mutual fans and the chapo guys have guested on it a few times. not even really remotely similar as far as content, it's just a few comics who are like NY twitter dudes making jokes about jerking off, and how brandon wardell sucks. best part is that they use the home improvement theme song as their theme song. gonna unsubscribe.

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Monday, 9 January 2017 21:33 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Cum Town is recorded in Felix & Amber's apartment, since Nick is their roommate(and why Nick shows up on Chapo from time to time). Amber's cats show up on both shows, and Brendon(who produces both)'s twitter feed.

Yeah, the only connection between the shows is social, although I do remember the immediate election aftermath eps of each had CT talking about policy/campaign failures and and CTH being more emotional & personals, like they had switched topics for a day.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 9 January 2017 22:33 (three years ago) link

did they want to be less serious than chapo and were like uhh our side of the apartment is cum town and such is our podcast

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 00:23 (three years ago) link

Sure why not

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

"that's the left, this is dirtbag"

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 01:38 (three years ago) link

the cat poop meltdown was pretty...

โ€• duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, January 9, 2017 4:07 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is def weird that they're going to make around 400 grand a year of almost pure profit from this show and still don't rent a recording studio or anything.

slam dunk, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 04:55 (three years ago) link

if you can make that much without a studio are you really going to make that much more with, and if so, won't someone be renting it for you

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 04:57 (three years ago) link

yeah they don't necessarily need a studio to sound better or avoid a cat fucking up half their mics. just more experience like four SM7's or something. pocket that shit

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 05:00 (three years ago) link

I prefer my podcasts to get by on a shoestring budget no matter how much the donors are kicking in, like the Trump campaign

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 13:45 (three years ago) link

I DMed Brendan about it, who said he's recording the show straight into his laptop, which explains that. I wish people would stop relying on computers to record this stuff, the failure rate never helps.

I suggested using a separate digital recorder, like a Zoom H4N or an R16 so he can record channel-specific sound files for up to 8 mics

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:32 (three years ago) link

Listened to the ep and yeah it was pretty annoying. I don't need them to go to a studio, I enjoy the home-recorded vibe, I just want to be able to hear everyone and not have half-interviews lost.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:35 (three years ago) link

At the amount they're grossing it's absurd.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:35 (three years ago) link

tbh they should be paying someone for that advice

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Tuesday, 10 January 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

True, but they're not professional broadcasters, and I'm guessing none of them did college radio to learn the (sorta?) basics

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 21:58 (three years ago) link

i actually enjoyed the cat shit episode ok because of the true allegiance reading

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 22:10 (three years ago) link

altho since i think of virgil and felix as "the funny ones" the first half was not optimum

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 10 January 2017 22:10 (three years ago) link

they are going to have a field day with this latest bit of business

jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 12:53 (three years ago) link

Seems like the Keepin it 1600 guys have set up the anti-dirty left media group with accompanying podcast away from Simmons.

Gukbe, Thursday, 12 January 2017 01:14 (three years ago) link

lol

@cushbomb
2023: Heartwarming President Cory Booker personally hugs every citizen before they are fed into the protein processors.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2017 21:31 (three years ago) link

I like their annotations on this risible op-ed
http://genius.it/11154026/www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/221558/time-to-fight-for-your-party

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 12 January 2017 23:04 (three years ago) link

love the show but gotta say these dudes and their cadre on twitter seem just a leeetle too sure that a lot of those trump voters aren't really racist and would have so totally voted for Bern. and shit, man, thats just wrong.

will, Friday, 13 January 2017 03:23 (three years ago) link

i think they mean the Trump voters in the Rust Belt

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 04:01 (three years ago) link

yeah no racists in Indiana amirite

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Friday, 13 January 2017 04:03 (three years ago) link

obv referring to WI, MI, PA. Indiana was never in play for Clinton.

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 04:11 (three years ago) link

There's a very good possibility Dollars Horton isn't aware that the GOP voted to end the C.H.I.P program but he's VERY upset with Booker for voting against Bernie's amendment.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 04:15 (three years ago) link

love the show but gotta say these dudes and their cadre on twitter seem just a leeetle too sure that a lot of those trump voters aren't really racist and would have so totally voted for Bern. and shit, man, thats just wrong.

โ€• will, Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:23 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the same rust belt voters who voted for Obama would be in play for Bernie. He polled well with them.

Here we go again

Actually ilx user man alive and, eventually, k3vin, you're both wrong and will is correct

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 04:26 (three years ago) link

I think they, rightfully, recognize a difference in the 40%+ who will vote Republican no matter what and the seemingly large percentage who swung at the last moment with Comey's letter-slash-were looking for an excuse to not vote Hillary.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 04:27 (three years ago) link

I pretty much agree with all of that. HRC carried a lot of baggage. I mean that was a big reason why a lot of us opposed her in 08. I feel like it's impossible not to subscribe to Bernie Might Have Won, I can't imagine why anyone would definitely dismiss that.. "Would Have" I've seen embraced by Bernie or Busters who I had to watch repeat right wing talking points..

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 04:39 (three years ago) link

*definitively

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 05:04 (three years ago) link

Of course Bernie "might" have one, Hillary might have won too given different butterfly wing patterns, the only ones being overconfident are those acting like Bernie definitely would have

We never got to see the oppo against him enacted but trump was a better politician than either of them

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 05:55 (three years ago) link

*won

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 05:55 (three years ago) link

That kind of reminds me how hypothetical candidates always poll better and you never know what narrative will take shape when the actual campaign happens so it's kind of annoying when they cite polls as proof that Bernie's victory was some kind of certainty. That's a definite "baby's first election" kind of thing though that tendency is in no way exclusive to the young.. But this was an election where conventional thinking was proven incorrect and conventional thinking certainly formed the basis of a lot of Dems choice of Hillary over Bernie.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 06:46 (three years ago) link

For the Chapo crew (and similar people like Katie Halper), the "Bernie would have won" thing sounds less like continuing the primary and more like a rallying cry around having the Democrats actually act like a progressive party.

They didn't want Bernie to get the nom for Bernie's sake, they're leftists who want to see the Democrats move left. For better or worse that rallying point right now is Bernie.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 07:39 (three years ago) link

it's one thing to suppose all of trump's rust-belt voters were too committed to racism to vote anyone but trump and another to suppose all of hillary's no-shows were too committed to no-showing to show for anyone at all.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 07:47 (three years ago) link

There's also that small matter of getting the almost half of the country that doesn't vote involved

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 13 January 2017 09:41 (three years ago) link

That kind of reminds me how hypothetical candidates always poll better and you never know what narrative will take shape when the actual campaign happens so it's kind of annoying when they cite polls as proof that Bernie's victory was some kind of certainty.

also worth bearing in mind that polling was essentially totally fucking useless in this election cycle

hunk of poo, big fart, girlfriend, and Dove soap (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 January 2017 10:08 (three years ago) link

eh, for every rust belter voter Bernie would have put "in play" with there would probably have been a Virginia voter worried about their taxes going up

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 13 January 2017 14:41 (three years ago) link

I never intend "Bernie Would Have Won" to be a literal certainty. For me it's a shorthand for "Donald Trump was beatable and you need to rethink your conventional wisdom about electability and centrism."

National polls showing that Bernie was more popular than Trump or Clinton certainly do not guarantee he would have won. However, national polls about Clinton's unpopularity proved accurate.

Her popularity rating only became negative in 2015. At one point she was the most popular politician in the US. So as volatile as they were, their accuracy was hard to know about.

Frederik B, Friday, 13 January 2017 15:37 (three years ago) link

It's not that I'm sure Bernie would have won, but the reasons given for why he "definitely wouldn't" are stupid. "He's a Jewish socialist." So what? Barack Obama is a black man with a muslim father who spent part of his childhood in indonesia and whose middle name is Hussein. "They have opposition research on him." Same is true of every candidate. "He's too far left." Things don't always break down along clear political lines. People respond well to the gut feeling that someone cares about them and that they can trust them. "Bernie Would Have Won" = abandon your truisms about presidential elections, the ones that helped you lose this election.

That post Ian painfully stupid. Barack Obama is the best politician of his generation. Bernie sanders is wish fulfillment candidate for people harboring a fantasy that most of the country is secretely super left wing & we just need to type in the right cheat code

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 15:51 (three years ago) link

*is painfully stupid

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 15:51 (three years ago) link

Bernie Sanders is not super left wing, as right-center politician Barack Obama said a couple weeks ago

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 15:53 (three years ago) link

Like, I agree the Democratic Party should push to the left. I don't agree that pushing to the left will inherently win us elections. It's the right thing to do; it is not intrinsically the way to win

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 15:54 (three years ago) link

Putin has video of Bernie in a hotel getting up to pee 20 times in one night

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 13 January 2017 15:57 (three years ago) link

lol

marcos, Friday, 13 January 2017 16:02 (three years ago) link

Like, I agree the Democratic Party should push to the left. I don't agree that pushing to the left will inherently win us elections. It's the right thing to do; it is not intrinsically the way to win

โ€• Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 10:54 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Of course it won't "inherently" win elections, but neither will continuing to pick "compromise" candidates that very few people actually feel any enthusiasm for!

no thread is safe from this crap apparently

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:12 (three years ago) link

main problem w Clinton was perception that she was corrupt, not that she was too centrist #BidenWouldHaveWon

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:23 (three years ago) link

this thread is one of the circles of hell

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 17:28 (three years ago) link

Of course it won't "inherently" win elections, but neither will continuing to pick "compromise" candidates that very few people actually feel any enthusiasm for!

โ€• the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, January 13, 2017 11:06 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And no one here thinks it will

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 17:31 (three years ago) link

#CarcettiWouldHaveWon

Frederik B, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:33 (three years ago) link

there is an infrastructure surrounding the remnants of HRC's campaign, very influential and well connected, that is committed to absolving itself of any mistakes *and* simultaneously heading off any policy shift in the party.

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:38 (three years ago) link

there is an infrastructure surrounding the remnants of HRC's campaign, very influential and well connected, that is committed to absolving itself of any mistakes *and* simultaneously heading off any policy shift in the party.

โ€• goole

yes yes the curia of the democratic party, sure, but they failed to get hrc elected and they're going to fail to absolve themselves. people are, apparently, finally sick and tired of letting these dirtbags get away with business as usual, at least if reaction to cory booker is anything to go by.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 17:41 (three years ago) link

is that reaction amongst "the people" or the people on twitter?

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 13 January 2017 17:42 (three years ago) link

that NRO profile is actually pretty good!

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:44 (three years ago) link

Of course it won't "inherently" win elections, but neither will continuing to pick "compromise" candidates that very few people actually feel any enthusiasm for!

โ€• the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, January 13, 2017 11:06 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And no one here thinks it will

โ€• Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 12:31 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And one consequence of that realization, among others, should be the realization that being "left" does not PER SE disqualify a candidate, and that the centrist candidate is not PER SE more electable just because s/he is a "compromise." That's the point I am trying to get across.

I mean you're saying "no one thinks it will" but that was exactly the justification we kept hearing for why Clinton was the better candidate.

eh, for every rust belter voter Bernie would have put "in play" with there would probably have been a Virginia voter worried about their taxes going up

didn't know chuck schumer posted here

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:49 (three years ago) link

they're using the most alarming parts of the trump win -- the harassment, the illiberalism, the racism, the links to russo-european nationalism -- as a club to beat anyone who says hillary just might have blown this a little bit. if you say the democrats should and could have done something differently, then you somehow in favor of these forces

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:49 (three years ago) link

the harassment, the illiberalism, the racism, the links to russo-european nationalism

also, butterfly theory

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 17:51 (three years ago) link

didn't know chuck schumer posted here

he posts as xhuxk sxhumer iirc

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 13 January 2017 17:59 (three years ago) link

lol

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:00 (three years ago) link

love the show but gotta say these dudes and their cadre on twitter seem just a leeetle too sure that a lot of those trump voters aren't really racist and would have so totally voted for Bern. and shit, man, thats just wrong.

โ€• will, Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:23 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters. in fact in one of the post election shows matt made this very point, saying "fuck trump voters", which i think we can all get behind.

trump basically got the same votes as mitt romney, the swing of the dreaded WWC to trump from obama was actually fairly small (although really highlighted in the liberal media, quelle surprise). the "bernie would have won" idea is that perhaps working class people - not just white - would've turned out to vote more than they did if the dem candidate had spoke more to working class economic concerns instead of going for the now infamous chuck schumer strategy: โ€œFor every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia".

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:06 (three years ago) link

imo both democrats and republicans have raced to the bottom to get those suburban voters

I could see republicans actually liking a stronger presence further to the left because they'd have a counterpoint to debate against instead of the current neoliberal glut where they're pushing further on stupid positions in order to create a voting bloc. When, in the search of something to stand for, you come up with "strip all the healthcare from people we possibly can" and "guns should be available to all people in all places at all times" your platform is bankrupt

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:12 (three years ago) link

but at least you stand for something!!

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:12 (three years ago) link

i think this is why things like chapo are valuable: the 'infighting' just has to be gotten on with. it can't be avoided, the differences are real.

what are you supposed to do with sentiments like these?

https://twitter.com/smoothkobra/status/819425543464583168

https://twitter.com/carlckitchen/status/819795551822565376

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C16sGQyXEAEyIhR.jpg

this last person worked for newt gingrich for a while! i mean, fine, there's mercenaries in DC, but come on

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:13 (three years ago) link

ftr i don't think the dem primary was 'rigged' or that sanders was cheated out of it or something. HRCs vote margins were unfakeable and his strength in the odder caucus formats was (uh) problematic

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:14 (three years ago) link

sometimes I daydream about an inversion of our current political scenario where the cities are hotbeds of racist right-wing nutjobs murdering each other with their guns and no healthcare, and a minority of leftist voters in the rural heartland actually run the country thx to the institutionalized electoral apportionment flukes of our stupid system

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:15 (three years ago) link

I didn't know Fred had three Twitter accounts, weird.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

idk if that Albright lady should be held up as an example of anything because she's so insanely wrong-headed about... pretty much everything

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:19 (three years ago) link

literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters.

Lol this is blatantly not true. Scroll up?

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:20 (three years ago) link

xp and that silicon valley woman who was retweeted for her stupid facebook rant that was cross-posted to facebook is straight-up one of those "stupid racists live in the middle of nowhere, fuck em" republicans in democrat clothing

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:21 (three years ago) link

I didn't know Fred had three Twitter accounts, weird.

โ€• Kiarostami bag (milo z), 13. januar 2017 19:17 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I get my information from SNL, so I know full well that Clinton could have supported gay marriage earlier, thank you very much.

Frederik B, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:22 (three years ago) link

that NRO profile was surprisingly good! thanks for sharing, simon

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:22 (three years ago) link

is that reaction amongst "the people" or the people on twitter?

โ€• duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes)

a small minority giving a shit about stuff like this is a big step up from this time last year. also, it's pretty much all the people you actually need.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:24 (three years ago) link

it might convert a few people who voted out of a will to blow up the system because it gives them nothing

more likely it would attract different people who are marginally attached to politics (for the same reasons) and stayed home

it's more likely that *both* of those slices of people could be motivated by star qualities/likability/charisma that obama had in spades and HRC didn't -- not policy shifts! which is something to keep in mind

xp to d-40

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:25 (three years ago) link

xp and that silicon valley woman who was retweeted for her stupid facebook rant that was cross-posted to facebook is straight-up one of those "stupid racists live in the middle of nowhere, fuck em" republicans in democrat clothing

โ€• mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:21 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus yes this woman was police

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:25 (three years ago) link

literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters.

Lol this is blatantly not true. Scroll up?

โ€• Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 10:20 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh did some ilx poster say it? they say a lot of things

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:26 (three years ago) link

Bernie is a unique figure in american politics; there's probably no one alive Dems can run with as pure a record as him and left will prob unilaterally hate everyone they run. Booker, Cuomo may be particularly bad but i'm skeptical that these people will be satisfied with someone just a little better

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:27 (three years ago) link

celebrities! don't u read Jeet Heer (lol, like that's a name)

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

i think we need to distinguish between "democrats who really did fall in love with bernie" and "leftists who were excited that social democracy looked like it had a shot in democratic politics"

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:30 (three years ago) link

sounds like a funny podcast!

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

(lol, like that's a name)

what is the point of statements like these

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

I like to listen to podcasts along with audiobooks they pass the time on my commute

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

Fwiw I think many of us are in agreement but it's kind of a threading the needle thing, and from my experience in whatever my online bubble happens to be, I've been much more resistent to the dirtbag left (speaking of the world they inhabit not the podcast itself)'s self conception as the true leftists or w/e, which I intend not as a critique from the center, but from 1. The (coughs) "identarian left" and 2. A more philosophical argument about the nature of politics as a performance and the left's insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:34 (three years ago) link

insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of

this def sounds like a losing stratagem

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:38 (three years ago) link

i think we need to distinguish between "democrats who really did fall in love with bernie" and "leftists who were excited that social democracy looked like it had a shot in democratic politics"

โ€• goole

i'm not sure there many, if any, of the latter. most leftists i know seem to have developed a pretty strong commitment to the failure narrative. if bernie had won plenty of leftists would be denouncing him as a "sell-out" right now.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:38 (three years ago) link

what is the 'failure narrative'

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:47 (three years ago) link

sort of moving the goalposts so that they never manage to get anything they want. it's kind of, uh... like the way PETA operates. anything that isn't outrage or doesn't allow them to be outraged seems to not be particularly useful to them.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:00 (three years ago) link

that's dumb

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:03 (three years ago) link

like bernie voters were super butthurt he didn't get the nomination lol

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:03 (three years ago) link

I love the NRO headline, they decided to blow their audience's mind right off the bat with "no, really, there are people to the LEFT of Obama and Clinton!!!"

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:06 (three years ago) link

i'm not talking bernie voters here, i'm talking about people for whom bernie was totally compromised and implicated because he chose to run as a democrat.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:06 (three years ago) link

So, like the 15 Stalinists who still live in the US?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:08 (three years ago) link

really? am i really friends with half the communists in the united states? i mean. i guess it makes me feel better that most people aren't that silly, but considering i've never been a red myself i'm not sure how that happened.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:11 (three years ago) link

jesus people how did you not get sick of this argument like two months ago.

why are you replaying the same discussion over and over like obsessively reliving the circumstances of the trauma of some psychic wound while circling around the absent subject

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:15 (three years ago) link

jesus people how did you not get sick of this argument like two months ago.

why are you replaying the same discussion over and over like obsessively reliving the circumstances of the trauma of some psychic wound while circling around the absent subject

โ€• the klosterman weekend (s.clover)

i think you've answered your own question

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:24 (three years ago) link

while the failure narrative definitely applies to PETA, I don't think the Chapo guys are into that at all, and they don't come off as fatalistic or rigid...

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:27 (three years ago) link

yeah sorry if i'm confusing anybody here, i really have no opinion at all on the chapo house trap guys except that they make way more money than i do for talking shit on the internet and i am jealous.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:47 (three years ago) link

speaking as a vegan i think PETA are huge dickbags but tbh any and all animal rights activism is per se going to be unsuccesful because people don't give a shit about animals, politics are a little bit less of a fruitless task

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:47 (three years ago) link

no thread is safe from this crap apparently

fuck. yeah. my fault guys sorry.

my point is the trap house dudes et al are aggressively antagonistic towards the center left where there should be coalition building, and weirdly deferential to "working class" whites who are unapologetically racist and will happily live in a card board box under a bridge as long as the brown ppl don't even have a box and Trump 'sticks it' to those PC latte losers

will, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:52 (three years ago) link

speaking as someone who really doesn't give a shit about animals i think animal rights activism is a much less thankless task than a lot of vegans assume. i was reading a couple weeks ago about "snow buddies", which was just a horrible unmitigated disaster. peta found out about it and asked disney not to release it, but disney ignored them and peta apparently didn't ever follow up on it because they have this point of view that everything is horrible and are apparently congenitally unable to commit to any sort of concrete actions to advocate for animal rights. the film went straight to video, made millions, and nobody knew anything about it until it became an internet meme. yeah congratulations peta you're less effective than internet memes at advocating for animal rights.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:54 (three years ago) link

why bother apologizing if you're just going to piss all over it in the next paragraph xp

sciatica, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

no thread is safe from this crap apparently

fuck. yeah. my fault guys sorry.

my point is the trap house dudes et al are aggressively antagonistic towards the center left where there should be coalition building, and weirdly deferential to "working class" whites who are unapologetically racist and will happily live in a card board box under a bridge as long as the brown ppl don't even have a box and Trump 'sticks it' to those PC latte losers

โ€• will, Friday, January 13, 2017 11:52 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this isn't true.

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

Fwiw I think many of us are in agreement but it's kind of a threading the needle thing, and from my experience in whatever my online bubble happens to be, I've been much more resistent to the dirtbag left (speaking of the world they inhabit not the podcast itself)'s self conception as the true leftists or w/e, which I intend not as a critique from the center, but from 1. The (coughs) "identarian left" and 2. A more philosophical argument about the nature of politics as a performance and the left's insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of

One issue I have with the dirtbag left, or at least with its twitter manifestation, is that the glee with which it bashes โ€œidentitarianโ€ overreach started to have more than whiff of anti-feminist backlash at a certain point. It feels like once a day some random activist posts something silly like this:

https://twitter.com/sam_kriss/status/819282452707479552

and it becomes a focal point of mockery for the weird/left twittersphere.

And I get it sometimes, people post some silly stuff, and some twitter activist celebs (@shanley for instance) are obviously just baiting everyone. And I think thereโ€™s definitely something to the central critique that some of the stuff that gets called โ€œidentity politicsโ€ can be easily co-opted and used to lend legitimacy to unjust systems without creating change. But the way that the weird/left twitter sets its targets on a particular type of "intersectional" twitter activist got pretty tiresome to me at a certain point.

I say this not to condemn CTH, which Iโ€™ve only listened to once. Iโ€™m talking about the โ€œdirtbag leftโ€ part of this threadโ€™s title.

intheblanks, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:58 (three years ago) link

what are the demographics of the dirtbag left

relatedly, what are the demographics of chappie trap house

genuine q idk anything about these memesters and I haven't heard this podcast

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:08 (three years ago) link

the NRO profile unintentionally goes from the meanest to the dumbest sentence i've read about them:

Much of the commentary from the dirtbag Left sounds more like Peter Thielโ€™s speech at the Republican National Convention than something youโ€™d hear at Occupy Wall Street.

Throughout the campaign, the Chapo gang acknowledged Hillary Clintonโ€™s various flaws.

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:24 (three years ago) link

nm it was just an idle question I've since looked it up, I had a feeling the answer to both questions was "three white dudes" but I swear I didn't peek before I asked

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:26 (three years ago) link

why bother apologizing if you're just going to piss all over it in the next paragraph xp

well i'm specifically talking trap house, not trying to fire shots in the general culture wars that have taken over every politics thread. but i appreciate how my criticism (And again, LOVE the show) only serves the latter

will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:28 (three years ago) link

Three white dudes, one Jewish dude, one Asian dude, one corn-fed white(I think) lady, one small chihuahua/terrier-type, two cats

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 20:30 (three years ago) link

chapped hole crap house

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:31 (three years ago) link

my point is the trap house dudes et al are aggressively antagonistic towards the center left where there should be coalition building, and weirdly deferential to "working class" whites who are unapologetically racist and will happily live in a card board box under a bridge as long as the brown ppl don't even have a box and Trump 'sticks it' to those PC latte losers

โ€• will, Friday, January 13, 2017 11:52 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this isn't true.

โ€• Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver),

which part? re trap house or wcw?

will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:31 (three years ago) link

I like the sound of this chihuahua/terrier type

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:33 (three years ago) link

and weirdly deferential to "working class" whites who are unapologetically racist

this is the most common charge and it's not true

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:37 (three years ago) link

No results found for "chappaquiddick trap house".

how's life, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:40 (three years ago) link

are aggressively antagonistic towards the center left where there should be coalition building

one, i don't think this antagonism is ever going to stop.

two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:44 (three years ago) link

They're doubling down; it's their party and they're not giving it up

also, make all complaints to the New Republic:

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/139751/hillary-clintons-cabinet-bad

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 20:47 (three years ago) link

this is the most common charge and it's not true

Yeah, that's been the sticking point since November, right? The squashing together of a buncha different demographics into something that just reinforced the pre-existing beliefs most politicos and commentators had anyway that can't be disturbed by actual post-election analyses of who did what.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 20:48 (three years ago) link

xposts my post makes it sound like i think *all* WCW are racists, and that's not my intent.

rather it seems (to me) that some of the Bernbros are ok with a little racism (misogyny, homophobia, xenophobia), or at least not as bothered by it as they are left-of-center incrementalism. FWIW, I do not think this applies to Bernie.

will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:50 (three years ago) link

bernie knows the struggle, he had a black acquaintance tell him three decades ago that it was difficult to hail a taxi at times. he knows what's going down in the streets.

sleepingbag, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:52 (three years ago) link

sanders lost fair and square and his combo of personality, history and politics didn't get any foothold in crucial dem constituencies. but it's not enough for some people! if you say that maybe talking about core bread and butter concerns might move the needle more than events with katy perry or dabbing on ellen, idk, you're just another email obsessed misogynist who doesn't care if the klan takes over the great plains.

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

zero effort at coalition-building from center types,

won't argue with that, particularly as 'center types' applies to a lot of smug paid opinion-havers.

anyway. TRAP HOUSE. v good show and will continue to listen and prob even send them $$$

will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

โ€• goole

boy, i just don't run in those circles at all. i see far more people on my feed bitching about clinton and obama than people with even one bad word to say about bernie.

as for hillary's disappearance, thank god! if people are still calling her satan after she's pulled a vanishing act, imagine the reaction she'd be getting if she was doing or saying anything at all.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:06 (three years ago) link

ha isn't she going to Broadway shows and the inauguration? Quite a disappearance.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:09 (three years ago) link

I keep feeling like "working class" as a phrase is completely broken because it brings to mind this idea of industrial or manual labor, or at least workers with hourly wages as opposed to salaried positions. But a lot of the jobs at that end of the payscale (or lower, a decent union factory job can pay better) are in call centers for insurance or financial services

people are fuming about "racists in the working class" but the working class they're really talking about is people who call them about mortgage payments or the cashier at starbucks

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:10 (three years ago) link

after she's pulled a vanishing act

The NY Times was relentlessly floating the "HRC for NYC mayor" trial balloon about a week ago, so that's some disappearance. I'm sure the clan's camp had noooothing to do with it, of course.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:11 (three years ago) link

zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

Schumer endorsed Ellison over Perez

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:15 (three years ago) link

The NY Times was relentlessly floating the "HRC for NYC mayor" trial balloon about a week ago, so that's some disappearance. I'm sure the clan's camp had noooothing to do with it, of course.

โ€• Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)

sorry, charlie, she's your problem now.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:20 (three years ago) link

that's a good counterpt fl0p

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:21 (three years ago) link

I like the sound of this chihuahua/terrier type

That would be Will's dog:

https://mobile.twitter.com/willmenaker/status/815421869998440448

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1D13EZUsAAxbPG.jpg

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:32 (three years ago) link

they're recording a premium episode right now and taking questions live, if anyone's interested: https://curiouscat.me/722127759699505153 i assume the episode will be up later tonight

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:34 (three years ago) link

xp love it!

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:36 (three years ago) link

getting back on topic, does anyone have any thoughts on why Hillary Clinton lost the US presidential election?

wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:37 (three years ago) link

let's ask Cum Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfw5UmWyFSw

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:48 (three years ago) link

Somebody I know posted the link to the NYT article titled "Trumpโ€™s Cabinet So Far Is More White and Male Than Any First Cabinet Since Reaganโ€™s" with the comment:

This is what a revolution looks like, amirite Berners? Jkkkk you all look like these people.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:49 (three years ago) link

I should say that was following up on the

two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

โ€• goole

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:50 (three years ago) link

"People I know post" is the new "I heard at church" isn't it

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:52 (three years ago) link

that's a good counterpt fl0p

โ€• goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:21 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ty

imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 21:57 (three years ago) link

I believe that kids are going to eventually internalize "you can find somebody on the Internet saying anything" and get past this shit

Us old dogs are probably useless though

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 13 January 2017 21:59 (three years ago) link

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:02 (three years ago) link

eric garland's absurd game theory rant was pretty well publicized, it's not like they had to go looking for it

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:03 (three years ago) link

i'm just glad people are finally getting around to realizing what a great record _lolita nation_ is

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:06 (three years ago) link

I just posted that an example of v vocal Hillary supporters still trying to attack Bernie supporters.

It's similar to people doing that "how's that hopey-changey thing working out" thing from 2009 on

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:11 (three years ago) link

you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:13 (three years ago) link

And I should preface it by saying this is someone I've known for a long time who isn't prone to posting that kinda thing and I would expect better from

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:13 (three years ago) link

you copy pasted a COMMENT to a nytimes article

FB post, tbf

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:15 (three years ago) link

proving my point that this whole crew are scraping the bottom of the rando barrel to find, er, fish to shoot

flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:15 (three years ago) link

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

โ€• goole, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:02 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of many otm goole posts itt

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:24 (three years ago) link

someone needs to burn twitter to the virtual ground.

Treeship, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:27 (three years ago) link

i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding

Treeship, Friday, 13 January 2017 22:30 (three years ago) link

You can breathe whenever you want so no

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:32 (three years ago) link

imo this is the whole problem with politics on twitter, everything is argumentum ad logicam. you can always find SOMEONE arguing an idiotic version of the ideology you're opposed to. like who the fuck is Eric Garland? who was that lady who wrote the 'no one wants to live in your racist shithole' facebook post? chapo twitter crew survive off the perception that there is this identitarian neoliberal left-baiting cabal when they're just in a bubble that incentivises them to find the shittiest such posts

โ€• flopson, Friday, January 13, 2017 4:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude i don't have to look past this very thread to see the exact same stuff although stated perhaps a bit more cogently.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:44 (three years ago) link

i never heard this podcast but if it really is people from the incestuous social media left mocking the incestuous social media center-left it sounds worse than waterboarding

โ€• Treeship, Friday, January 13, 2017 5:30 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

case in point, treesh !

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:44 (three years ago) link

going to go to all the ilx threads and say "i have never heard this band but if it really is noisy people clanging garbage racket then it sounds bad"

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:45 (three years ago) link

Gunna be a fun four years

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:45 (three years ago) link

ilm threads even

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:45 (three years ago) link

also to be noted the prime mining areas for Bad Tweets are typically like the director of the Center for American progress, a founder of Vox, the editor of Mother Jones.

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 22:48 (three years ago) link

this show is goofy cathartic fun centered around bullying dumb pseuds in the media. it owes more to howard stern than anything and I don't think it can really bear the weight of representing an actual political movement but that's not its fault.

ryan, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:01 (three years ago) link

otm re: the howard stern comparison. like myself and others upthread have said, it's just a good podcast

flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:07 (three years ago) link

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

โ€• goole

fwiw ive agreed with most of what youve posted but this...i feel like we're just exiting in two parallel but different universes right now, because it's not been my experience at all.

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:08 (three years ago) link

the "here's what happened on twitter this week" is enjoyable but also the worst part of the podcast

i will listen to this at some point and they are going for different things obv but this^ really, really makes me appreciate the efforts the uhh yeah dudes go to, really digging deep for not stepped on content

sciatica, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:10 (three years ago) link

also yet another recorded straight to laptop podcast with shitty sound, wildly varying levels, etc? really? no excuse for this imo, even if you're making bupkes

sciatica, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:20 (three years ago) link

i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.

โ€• goole

I've definitely seen random examples of that but maybe because my social media feeds lean far left I'm getting the opposite impression. I know I know "your mentions aren't the election etc" Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support. Hasn't it always been the case that the Bernie people were more anti-Hillary then vice verse? I keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:39 (three years ago) link

Tbf, the sound's gotten better, but it ain't where it should be yet. Way too much room echo on Matt's end, for example.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:39 (three years ago) link

keep coming back to the Morgan Murphy joke from the primary: Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

Heh. Move this up the coast a bit and you have Portland and Seattle, too.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:40 (three years ago) link

Ellison has gotten a good amount of centrist support

tablet mag just ran a piece about the dangerous anticlinton left, captioned by an extreme closeup of ellison's face, mouth open in apparent rage, howling, coming for you. maybe this is cherrypicking -- glad to hear it if there's more openness to him than i think.

Bernie supporters are San Francisco. Hillary supporters are Los Angeles. San Francisco hates LA but LA is like, "San Francisco is cool too."

i just don't see this. at the beginning of the primary the centrist attitude to bernie was "lol hippies", just like it always is. maybe a little bit of "how civilized that our inevitable champion will first be toughened by a few friendly war games!" by the end, after he'd actually given clinton something vaguely resembling trouble, it was "we must defeat the secret leader of the misogynistic and probably-racist-somehow hate mob perversely calling itself 'the left'". this has continued.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:49 (three years ago) link

to be fair that piece in tablet was written by a never trump neocon who starts off the article saying he has voted for republican presidents since 2004 until trump came along

so a hilary voter but not a liberal

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 23:54 (three years ago) link

yr right. still -- these are the people the center wants a "coalition" with.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:56 (three years ago) link

(and there aren't very many of them. cf again the infamous schumer remark.)

difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:57 (three years ago) link

Weird, it's honestly been the opposite with me. I recall quite a few of his supporters online openly rooting for HRC to get indicted. You know...for the emails. Wikileaks stuff was often shared by both Bernie dead enders along with Trump supporters, even the "she has Parkinson's" "she killed Seth Rich" variety stuff WL pushed.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 13 January 2017 23:59 (three years ago) link

Bernie supporters are San Francisco.

wrong:

President, Democratic Party
Clinton, Hillary: 55.46%
Sanders, Bernie: 43.81%

http://www.sfexaminer.com/election-june-2016-latest-results/

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:00 (three years ago) link

prize for taking a metaphor literally goes to

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:10 (three years ago) link

so much winning

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:13 (three years ago) link

we do hate LA though, that part is true

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:13 (three years ago) link

New premium ep is up, and this week's delay was because the previous ep got munched....because they probably recorded straight to the laptop again. Goddammit.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:27 (three years ago) link

Talk of how the sound quality is bad is the first thing that has me interested in listening to this

a but (brimstead), Saturday, 14 January 2017 00:51 (three years ago) link

How come evidence of "the center" is always the actual politicians? It seems like most of the ppl critical of the "dirtbag left" I know would not in any way consider themselves centrist

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 14 January 2017 02:29 (three years ago) link

haha whoa, Matt snuck in a Joey Boots tribute at the end of this new premium ep. makes sense at least one these guys is a Stern fan

flappy bird, Saturday, 14 January 2017 05:10 (three years ago) link

i don't know anybody who would honestly describe themselves as a "centrist" or a "moderate". i do know people who espouse centrist ideas. a lot of people were raised all their life on certain ideas, like the notion that the basis of government is compromise, that led to the passage of the ACA in the first place, and aren't willing or able to acknowledge that particular ship sailed a long time ago. i'm not particularly worried about them because most of the lifelong democrats will fall in line behind whoever the candidate is, regardless of their policies. they will be a more reliable voting bloc than the ideological left, who have a congenital resistance to "falling in line" behind anybody.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Saturday, 14 January 2017 12:07 (three years ago) link

I can never keep them straight on Twitter vs their voices, but one responded to people defending John Lewis quoting their negative statements on Chelsea Manning. Yeah, the people quoted are stupid re:Manning, but I feel like that's just an unnecessary and unhelpful path to travel down.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 January 2017 22:48 (three years ago) link

Burn down the Democratic structures, yeah, but I'm pretty comfortable rallying around legitimate American heroes with otherwise disagreeable people.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 14 January 2017 22:49 (three years ago) link

I met a Chapo fan in the wild this morning - this is in Toronto. They are becoming a proper Thing, I am inclined to think.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 14 January 2017 23:09 (three years ago) link

Yeah, people I've turned on to the show are now spreading it to others who're subscribing.

Subscribers atm are now 7,601, about 1/6th up from last month, according to Graphtreon.

Also:

https://twitter.com/deep_beige/status/820381681144266752

Brendan Jamesโ€ @deep_beige

Just recorded an episode with the great @BillCorbett, genuinely a high point of my life

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1:26 PM ยท Jan 14, 2017

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THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:07 (three years ago) link

is this the bill corbett who replaced trace beaulieu as the voice of crow on mst3k, or some other bill corbett?

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:45 (three years ago) link

what are we going to say about this nonsense 5 years from now

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Sunday, 15 January 2017 00:53 (three years ago) link

what are we going to say about this nonsense 5 years from now

"We" are all going to stare at the ground and pretend we have no idea what people are talking about.

We'll be tapping in Morse code about them to the prisoner in an adjoining cell

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Sunday, 15 January 2017 01:41 (three years ago) link

is this the bill corbett who replaced trace beaulieu as the voice of crow on mst3k, or some other bill corbett?

That Bill Corbett

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Sunday, 15 January 2017 07:25 (three years ago) link

new ep is up

this picture shocked me, then again idk why i expected them to have like a tristar setup or whatever joe rogan uses, i'm just like damn.... mics on a couch. no headphones.

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i like when this thread shifts back into critiquing their engineering and broadcast skills

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 02:51 (three years ago) link

that picture makes me want to join isil

sleepingbag, Monday, 16 January 2017 02:55 (three years ago) link

like don't you just look at that and go, ok so tell me more about the exact opposite of whatever these guys think

sleepingbag, Monday, 16 January 2017 02:56 (three years ago) link

yes, if i hadn't heard the show. theater of the mind, maaaaan

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 03:00 (three years ago) link

that picture makes me want to join isil

โ€• sleepingbag, Monday, 16 January 2017 02:55 (forty-four minutes ago) Permalink

Menaker's ISIS one-finger sign in the prior photo clearly worked its subconscious magic on you as intended.

damn, they really are one step ahead of me. the self loathing must be unimaginable

sleepingbag, Monday, 16 January 2017 04:13 (three years ago) link

imo they should downgrade their setup and just all hunker around a laptop and yell at it

mh ๐Ÿ˜, Monday, 16 January 2017 05:23 (three years ago) link

like don't you just look at that and go, ok so tell me more about the exact opposite of whatever these guys think

โ€• sleepingbag, Sunday, January 15, 2017 8:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

its three guys on a couch

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 16 January 2017 12:43 (three years ago) link

I think he means the sweatpants with the vertical stripe

also does the other guy wear the same tshirt every day? v dirtbag

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 14:25 (three years ago) link

like don't you just look at that and go, ok so tell me more about the exact opposite of whatever these guys think

โ€• sleepingbag

nah. my reaction is "wow, it's three guys on a couch. why is everybody so worked up about them?"

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:32 (three years ago) link

it's amazing reading this thread, and seeing the same phenomenon play out whenever something gets fairly popular fairly fast - people get salty as if this new thing is being forced upon them, and they become contrarians and diss the thing and elevate it just to tear it down, without ever really engaging with the thing itself

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 19:35 (three years ago) link

i tried listening to a few episodes of this. boring af. stans itt must be real desperate these days what jacobin is too much reading

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

this is not really the aural equivalent of jacobin articles - i listen to this show religiously and i p much hate the jacobin. i don't listen because i cosign their politics. it's an entertainment show based mainly on ribbing political pundits. ymmv depending on how entertaining that might be to you, for many people that won't be remotely funny, or entertaining, or worthwhile in any way shape or form as an endeavor.

but as someone who hate reads the nyt, wapo, atlantic etc. (as well as the guardian but obv chapo is u.s. centric) almost as much as i read something that i actually like and agree with, who yesterday literally shouted at the radio before turning it off because some dumbfuck centrist was talking about the benefits of fptp and how the real problem with our "broken politics" is that it is too bipartisan and there isn't enough dialogue this is v much relevant to my interests

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:44 (three years ago) link

we have like a dozen ilx threads for complaining about all these media outlets that rarely get bumped bc ppl rightly feel like it gets tedious to make the same complaints every single day but put 3 sleepy indistinguishable white dudes on a podcast + it's b-a-n-a-n-a-s apparently

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 19:49 (three years ago) link

i basically can't get enough of complaining about media outlets tbh. i have spent days of my life getting angry about the guardian.

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 January 2017 19:50 (three years ago) link

xxp otm, the appeal of the show is p narrow: politics but really a meta-commentary on political reporting and "optics" and semiotics and trends. i'm amazed it's become so popular because i assumed it would only appeal to a small group of people in the media and people that grew up in media/publishing families like Will

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 19:50 (three years ago) link

the appeal of the show is p narrow: politics but really a meta-commentary on political reporting and "optics" and semiotics and trends. i'm amazed it's become so popular because i assumed it would only appeal to a small group of people in the media and people that grew up in media/publishing families like Will

You're overlooking the desperate desire among a surprisingly large cohort of dudes to feel on the inside. The kind of assholes who will hungrily devour articles not about sports, but about sportswriters.

I'll admit I didn't know that contingent existed because I never considered this shit was interesting to anyone that didn't grow up in it

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:11 (three years ago) link

what you're describing def sounds like a "failson"

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 20:14 (three years ago) link

as someone who hate reads the nyt, wapo, atlantic etc. (as well as the guardian

every generation get's teh "i don't even own a TV" that it deserves

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Monday, 16 January 2017 20:17 (three years ago) link

I think the reason it's popular is that it's a reasonably funny take on opinions that are normally voiced very humorlessly, and (increasingly, I think) it's a nice corrective to several different popular modes of popular political media. Not much more to it than that imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 16 January 2017 20:38 (three years ago) link

Also it's clear that there's a newfound appetite for criticism and thought from the far left so it's partially just excellent timing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 16 January 2017 20:47 (three years ago) link

i tried listening to a few episodes of this. boring af. stans itt must be real desperate these days what jacobin is too much reading

Oh come ON. This is a bullshit criticism both of the show and people in here and you know it. Hell, the show has had on both _editors_ from Jacobin and several contributors, not to having one as a co-host.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 16 January 2017 20:51 (three years ago) link

Also, D'Souza's hilariously self-aggrandizing Hillary movie is dumber than even we could have expected when we ripped on it in that other thread.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 16 January 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

i know u like the show so don't take it personally but i think it's v dumb + v hard to understand the appeal. but that's ok and here's why.

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 21:01 (three years ago) link

and the problem isn't that jacobin is great and this isn't that. the problem is that jacobin is barely tolerable and this is worse.

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 21:02 (three years ago) link

Mordy what are some fun lefty podcasts you enjoy, if any (I'm earnestly interested, not trying to be a dick)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:13 (three years ago) link

i don't listen to any podcasts that i'd characterize as having a particular political pov. atm i really like mike duncan's revolutions podcast which obv touches on a lot of issues that would be of interest to lefty politics - esp when it's covering the diggers or the levellers in english civil war or 70% of the french revolution or haitian civil war or boliver. in general i'm not following contemporary US politics w/ any kind of depth (tho inevitably end up reading some jacobin or the nation article or whatever interview w/ chomsky this week). maybe that's part of the problem -- i find the current political landscape so depressing that at best this kind of thing could end up being is whistling past the graveyard but what i've heard (mostly the episodes on kingfish's recommendations!) hasn't even come up to that level. like it's literally v v boring people where even knowing the references they make doesn't make them more appealing unless that's it and it's just the joy of recognition hey i know that name hey i've complained about that online magazine before hey i also think mixing sardonic quips about obscure media figures w/ heavy-handed dour moments about /getting serious/ is the right tonality for otm'hood.

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 21:20 (three years ago) link

...the same phenomenon play out whenever something gets fairly popular fairly fast - people get salty as if this new thing is being forced upon them, and they become contrarians and diss the thing and elevate it just to tear it down, without ever really engaging with the thing itself

Anything people get excited about has a >90% likelihood of being a fad. The crowd / pack reactions are the way we triage stuff. IS THIS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT BARK BARK BARK BARK WELL I SAY IT IS DO YOU TRUST ME BARK BARK etc.

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:20 (three years ago) link

Podcasts seem like one of the most irrelevant media formats we have today so my vote is WOOF WOOF

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:22 (three years ago) link

I have to believe that people who don't see the humor haven't listened to the reading series or things like the one today cracking on Dinesh D'Souza.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 16 January 2017 21:50 (three years ago) link

Pretty dumb thing to say

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 16 January 2017 22:08 (three years ago) link

xpost

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 16 January 2017 22:09 (three years ago) link

Mordy, it sounds like you just don't dig the personalities, which obv is fine. I could go on and on about my love for the Howard Stern Show but I'll never sway someone that isn't compelled by Howard or Robin's voice.

flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 22:14 (three years ago) link

Listening to ppl mocking D'Souza sounds hellish; his worthlessness has been well established enough and enough times on ilx alone that there couldn't be easier barrel fish to shoot.

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 22:19 (three years ago) link

i for one was glad to find out about his thesis that the reason the white south moved from voting democrat to voting republican in the latter part of the 20th century was because during this period white southerners got less racist

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 January 2017 22:26 (three years ago) link

I think I saw that story on lawyersgunsmoney which iirc is a neoliberal apologist for the Democratic Party so idk what's brave and
new about the dirtbag left I guess they mock Friedman and that's surely never been done before

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 22:29 (three years ago) link

yeah this isn't political reporting mordy, there's no exclusives, you can read everything they talk about somewhere else.

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 January 2017 22:31 (three years ago) link

i understand, it's commentary. somehow i'm doubting that their /take/ on D'Souza is remarkable or funny but if u guys feel really strongly about it i'll give it a listen + report back. i suspect these guys are getting a lot of mileage by doing sub-classic ilx thread humor + maybe like emotional replacement for gawker?

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2017 22:41 (three years ago) link

if you've already listened to the show and not liked it i wouldn't bother persevering tbh - unless you had any particular interest in one of the guests

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Monday, 16 January 2017 22:52 (three years ago) link

More importantly who's with me on my new creative venture (note: may be a podcast) called "Derka Derka Him Sad"

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Monday, 16 January 2017 23:08 (three years ago) link

+ maybe like emotional replacement for gawker?

I hadn't thought of that but I suspect it helps to explain their popularity as well

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 16 January 2017 23:16 (three years ago) link

Show does feature a Deadspin writer

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Monday, 16 January 2017 23:27 (three years ago) link

it's amazing reading this thread, and seeing the same phenomenon play out whenever something gets fairly popular fairly fast - people get salty as if this new thing is being forced upon them, and they become contrarians and diss the thing and elevate it just to tear it down, without ever really engaging with the thing itself

โ€• flappy bird, Monday, 16 January 2017 19:35 (yesterday) Permalink

Idk seems like people are also critiquing the audience on ideological grounds

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 00:40 (three years ago) link

which also happens every time people talk about the latest fad and what it means/doesn't mean

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 00:50 (three years ago) link

if this isn't a passing fascination filling a temporary hole in people's commute / background non-music time, then that is probably some of the good news that I keep hearing about.
if this is that, that's okay too, the nostalgia will be fine.

I still would like to see where a podcast had an idea in it that people cared about later, though. That might be a different thread.

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 00:53 (three years ago) link

Caleb is eternal

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 00:59 (three years ago) link

which also happens every time people talk about the latest fad and what it means/doesn't mean

โ€• The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 00:50 (three hours ago) Permalink

Sure but my point isn't that we're arguing about this in some radical new way, but that there are legitimate reasons to argue about it & the implied logic of that post is smarmy "no haters" type ish

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 04:11 (three years ago) link

enjoyed the d'souza ep. Perplexed as to why the same few people are still here still insisting that they haven't listened, don't want to, and that they have some proxy method for being able to determine that they don't like the show anyway.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 07:00 (three years ago) link

If this podcast is anything like I imagine it is, then it will never change anything and besides podcasts are for nerds and I only do dope things

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 13:44 (three years ago) link

You got me

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 14:06 (three years ago) link

i'm about halfway through the d'souza ep, it's not particularly funny? i think if i heard this late at night on my local college radio station i might listen a little but ultimately it's not that engaging. are there better episodes that are more representative?

marcos, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:58 (three years ago) link

i mostly listen to 2-3 baseball podcasts, the occasional film one

but i'll try one of those, flappy

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:02 (three years ago) link

i mostly listen to 2-3 baseball podcasts, the occasional film one

but i'll try one of those, flappy

โ€• Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 17, 2017 3:02 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:04 (three years ago) link

i'm about halfway through the d'souza ep, it's not particularly funny? i think if i heard this late at night on my local college radio station i might listen a little but ultimately it's not that engaging. are there better episodes that are more representative?

โ€• marcos, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:58 (thirty-five minutes ago) Permalink

Second the freeway ross douthat episode. I wouldn't go in expecting pure comedy or pure politics. It's sort of a mix of insight, humor and just gawky welcome to the dark carnival of legacy punditry, but not necessarily non-stop laughs. I can see why not everyone might enjoy such a thing.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:37 (three years ago) link

To me the show feels very much like just hanging out with some smart and funny friends and bullshitting, only elevated a level or two, and I guess that's part of the appeal for me, and also a good reason for them to keep the just a few handheld mics on a couch format.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:38 (three years ago) link

any fans of this should also check out Uhh Yeah Dude, a less focused and (imo) funnier podcast with a similar conversational hanging out style

just another (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:50 (three years ago) link

If I ever flame out of this industry, I would totally want to do a Chapo style podcast destroying bad professional music writers with Maura and D-40.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:51 (three years ago) link

would listen

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:58 (three years ago) link

just hanging out with some smart and funny friends and bullshitting

yea i get this. other eps I'm exploring now are okay, i can't say it warrants a new yorker article though? (although i haven't listened to the episode where they talk about that and it sounds like they also don't think an article was warranted?) again there's shit i've heard on college radio that is basically the same thing as this, sometimes better and sometimes worse. it's bc this is based in brooklyn though huh

marcos, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:59 (three years ago) link

i can't say it warrants a new yorker article though?

i mean this is the same thing as Hipster Runoff and Pitchfork Reviews Reviews where

https://twitter.com/willystaley/status/427486358450360320

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:02 (three years ago) link

any fans of this should also check out Uhh Yeah Dude

oh yeah, UYD is a million times funnier than Chapo, and even though we have a long running thread about it I'm sure half of the grumps around here would hate it

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:07 (three years ago) link

ie the nostalgia for emo

xp

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:07 (three years ago) link

i like both UYD and CTH

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:08 (three years ago) link

would also listen to Whiney's curmudgeoncast

in terms of The Boys Get Serious episodes the Adam Curtis one is good

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:12 (three years ago) link

their monthly Patreon haul just surpassed Amanda Palmer, I hope this is something we can mostly all agree is good news

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:13 (three years ago) link

Loved the old Craiglist UYD things but straight comedy podcasts don't do much for me overall.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:18 (three years ago) link

I've been put off uyd by the name*

i note the irony of this in this thread

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 17 January 2017 21:21 (three years ago) link

a good reason for them to keep the just a few handheld mics on a couch format.

uhh yeah dude is two guys in a living room bullshitting, expertly recorded, and the clarity in their voices adds to the intimate and casual atmosphere, rather than detracting from it. it makes it funnier too imo, improves the sense of timing or something. CTH wouldn't have to go into a studio or anything, just buy some decent equipment with that 400K

sciatica, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 02:29 (three years ago) link

while we're critiquing the CTH recording fidelity, let me just add that whatever sidechain compression/ducking they're using hurts my ears. peace

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 02:47 (three years ago) link

otm. i hadn't heard ep 3 before tonight and holy fuck, they've come a long way

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 02:51 (three years ago) link

If I ever flame out of this industry, I would totally want to do a Chapo style podcast destroying bad professional music writers with Maura and D-40.

โ€• Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, January 17, 2017 1:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ooh ooh invite me!

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:24 (three years ago) link

Everything I've read about CTH makes me think they're like the nerds tormented by bullies in Massacre at Central High who turn into bullies themselves and get offed by the protagonist in the second half of the movie.

(The caption: โ€œfine dining.โ€) (DJP), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:26 (three years ago) link

listening to the greatest hits you dudes linked upthread and here i am again thinking these bros aren't funny and their recording methods make these things genuinely unpleasant to listen to

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:30 (three years ago) link

i guess i'm psyched that they target idiots and ether them for like 1.5 hours at a time

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:30 (three years ago) link

People complaining about the audio probably also think the Bowie 'Raw Power' mix is better than Iggy's.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:40 (three years ago) link

Holy Christ, the latest premium ep is literally them playing Call of Cthulhu for an hour.

And it's the first of two eps.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 15:58 (three years ago) link

I was thinking that another reason this is so popular is that almost all "political comedy" (esp on the teevee) tends not to think outside the constraints of party politics

much as I like these dues I phear the tabletop two-parter lol

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:06 (three years ago) link

xpost oh boy. One downside of the podcasting boom--it has convinced some people that recordings of their gaming adventures are not just things to be put in shoe boxes for discovery in twenty years when one of the players has just died of Mountain Dew related causes

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:08 (three years ago) link

I downloaded it but the leash is short. The characters sound funny at least.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:11 (three years ago) link

u have to admit this burn is savage

https://twitter.com/twelveoclocke/status/802251555344908288

goole, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:13 (three years ago) link

People complaining about the audio probably also think the Bowie 'Raw Power' mix is better than Iggy's.

โ€• Kiarostami bag (milo z)

can't we at least have the 2012 rsd version of the iggy mix? is that too much to ask?

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:14 (three years ago) link

i'm sure it's grating to many but felix's gorilla mindset schtick always makes me laugh. and matt's genial young marxist professor style rants are always a highlight. i half listened to the most recent ep already and it probably wouldn't hold up to full attention but it had its moments.

ryan, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:18 (three years ago) link

i was talking to my only other friend that listens to this and we agreed that the guilty pleasure of it must be kinda like what my dad felt listening to limbaugh

like its obviously kinda lame/bad on a lot of levels, but there is something nice about hearing roasts of the enemy from ppl with something vaguely approximating my political views

jason waterfalls (gbx), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:21 (three years ago) link

u have to admit this burn is savage

https://twitter.com/twelveoclocke/status/802251555344908288

โ€• goole, Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:13 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i lol'd

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 16:23 (three years ago) link

my main beef w this pod is that Felix' used to be one of my fav dumb jokes twitters and now he is like, a funny version of Dr Morbius? 100% of the time? and also says angry earnest political things? half of weird twitter had the same political conversion and are determined to relive the '16 dem primary for all of eternity, and I see the success of chapo as perpetuating to ruining my twitter xp. i listened to the first few eps contemporaneously and they were p funny but it felt a bit too navel-gazing and also that listening to podcasts about twitter was not a welcome extension of my internet/twitter addiction. also, ideologically i'm way more aligned with the nebbish centre-left dorks they bully than like, Lee Fang or Adam Curtis (who, i mean, i like his docs but he's always verged on this mind-control meta-conspiracy i don't buy at all--the quote itt was nice, though) or whoever they have on the show, so there was a masochistic dimension to it

flopson, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:22 (three years ago) link

a funny version of Dr Morbius?

sick burn

political laughter of any stripe needed in a world w/ Maher and Borowitz

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:28 (three years ago) link

Accurate^

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:28 (three years ago) link

oh come on you couldve at least said bore-owitz

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

in these challenging times we can no longer rely on dennis perrin alone for our political lulz

i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

meh-er and bore-owitz

i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:30 (three years ago) link

there you go

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:30 (three years ago) link

dennis perrfectin

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:34 (three years ago) link

he may be starting a podcast btw! ile's prayers answered.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:34 (three years ago) link

oh good his 850 twitter followers will be pleased

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:36 (three years ago) link

Half the posts in here are like, "I don't like this podcast because [narcissism of small differences]"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:52 (three years ago) link

otm. boom

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:53 (three years ago) link

"These guys line up with 95% of my politics but too much smarm and not enough snark and they should really buy a TSHKFIJRB-7377494749 microphone and Bernie is only a 8.4 and these guys talk about him like he's Best New Music"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:54 (three years ago) link

I want to play Call of Cthulhu now.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:55 (three years ago) link

True lol at "Fighting Bob LaFollette would have won the 1924 election."

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:57 (three years ago) link

but whiney they really should get a better mic setup. and i say that as a fan. the early episodes are unlistenable

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:57 (three years ago) link

half the posts on ilx are like "i don't like this movie/record/film/person/type of food because [narcissism of small differences]"

i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 18:58 (three years ago) link

this thread is like those d-40 posts where he's like "Listen to how Durk says 'I'm a hitta' on the offbeat, but Derk says it on the on-beat and Dirk says it somewhere in between and tell me that Durk isn't realigning what pop music means for a generation and Derk isn't some lame drama school tryhard smh"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:01 (three years ago) link

yeah, CTH guys seem like slightly more effective and functional ilxor types so i figure the grief they're getting here is rooted in some sort of self-loathing.

circa1916, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:05 (three years ago) link

and envy for their bulging patreon account

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:06 (three years ago) link

many people who line up with 95 percent of my politics are insufferable

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:09 (three years ago) link

there's nothing really particularly noteworthy about this podcast imo but when a new yorker article gets written about some "brooklyn-based x" we definitely need to spend >200 posts arguing about whether x deserves the attention

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:10 (three years ago) link

omg ilx podcasting sounds hellish. i have no doubt though that we have numerous posters who could easily make a podcast equal in quality, style, knowledge + perspective to this one. actually depending on who you picked it would probably have more political diversity (and ilx is hardly a bastion of heterogenous thought).

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:11 (three years ago) link

xp. i dunno they're making $35k a month from a podcast it's fairly notable as far as podcasts go

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:12 (three years ago) link

I have been wrong before but I don't think the figure will keep climbing for long, barring an extended uptick in socialism that continues well into the new administration

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:20 (three years ago) link

half the posts on ilx are like "i don't like this movie/record/film/person/type of food because [narcissism of small differences]"

see also ilx progressives/anarchists who chose Her over S*****s in primaries bcz of Twitter bullies

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:25 (three years ago) link

would a new yorker article have been written if one of their dads wasn't a publishing executive and new yorker editor for 20 years?

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:28 (three years ago) link

...skittles? xp

i don't watch lamestream porn (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:30 (three years ago) link

i mean i don't find anything particularly objectionable about the podcast itself, it is a fun podcast and like i said similar to a bunch of poltical commentary i've heard on on college radio from undergrads but the effusive praise from like the av club and paste magazine is very suspect imo

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:31 (three years ago) link

okay maybe it is better than the stuff from undergrads

marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:32 (three years ago) link

numerous posters who could easily make a podcast equal in quality, style, knowledge + perspective to this one.

probably true, but the trick is bootstrapping your podcast into enough popularity that you generate word of mouth and accumulate an audience. quality, style, knowledge + perspective are not magic keys to such popularity. unlike field of dreams, we could build it, but would they come?

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

1. Bag of skittles
2. Her
3. Being Berned
4. Trump
5. Bag of tropical skittles

Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

probably true, but the trick is bootstrapping your podcast into enough popularity that you generate word of mouth and accumulate an audience. quality, style, knowledge + perspective are not magic keys to such popularity. unlike field of dreams, we could build it, but would they come?

also I don't know if you guys knew this but regularly recording, editing, uploading, and promoting podcasts if you're not already getting paid for it is a tremendous pain in the ass

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:38 (three years ago) link

ok god willing this is my last post on this thread ever. i listened to the d'souza episode. they are terminally unfunny. they're constantly laughing at their own jokes which entirely amount to /references/. "better call saul." "better call saul alinsky!" ahahahahaha "episode title!" for all of u that enjoy them tho, as someone who often likes things that other ppl don't enjoy, i say go for it. but the problem for me at least is not narcissism of small differences. it's just unfunniness.

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:42 (three years ago) link

duly noted!

flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:44 (three years ago) link

"it's the first cuck campaign violation" AHAHAHAHA "it's like moneyball - cuckball."

(ok sorry that's the last one)

Mordy, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:48 (three years ago) link

would a new yorker article have been written if one of their dads wasn't a publishing executive and new yorker editor for 20 years?

โ€• marcos, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:28 (eighteen minutes ago) Permalink

nah, i don't think it's relevant. the new yorker article was part of a p low-key web-only profile series, and it was written by a former Gawker writer (other profiles i've seen were also written by ppl who run in the same circles on twitter) so imo it's just writers in the same clique writing about each other at the earliest whiff of significance

flopson, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:50 (three years ago) link

was gonna say, tolentino seems more significant there than menaker's dad

goole, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:54 (three years ago) link

are determined to relive the '16 dem primary for all of eternity

This ain't going away anytime soon, but as you have plenty of people still slinging " Berniebro" as it were a valid descriptor or insult, I would posit not being people who voted for Sanders in the primaries being the cause.

Plus, as mentioned plenty of times on our board, there are a great many well-heeled stakeholders who ain't giving up control of the Democratic Party. Christ, the Third Way types just dumped $20M into the mix.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:55 (three years ago) link

the effusive praise from like the av club and paste magazine is very suspect imo

o really? You think the Chapo guys have some tapes?

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

also I don't know if you guys knew this but regularly recording, editing, uploading, and promoting podcasts if you're not already getting paid for it is a tremendous pain in the ass

Fuck yeah it is. I gave up trying to stay on schedule with mine.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:01 (three years ago) link

I have a weekly thing starting soon (not relevant to tt) and I am already dreading the workload.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:03 (three years ago) link

is that a film podcast, Simon?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:08 (three years ago) link

I'm planning to do a Twin Peaks thing with a friend of mine who has written for Film Comment, MORE I CANNOT SAY

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:11 (three years ago) link

Are you going to edit it yourself? Editing for me is the hardest part due to how much I detest my voice and speaking habits.

Also because all the shows I recorded were like 2 hours and change, and cutting that down to something decent and inserting relevant audio takes me something like 8-10 hours an episode.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:14 (three years ago) link

Yeah I'm gonna have to do all the work, cause my partner is way too busy with school etc to put in any extra time. I try to keep a pretty strict 60 min time limit for this reason.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:15 (three years ago) link

This ain't going away anytime soon, but as you have plenty of people still slinging " Berniebro" as it were a valid descriptor or insult, I would posit not being people who voted for Sanders in the primaries being the cause.
THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:55 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've never called anyone a Bernie Bro (I'm aware that's hurtful)but we can acknowledge both sides perpetuate this. Seems unreasonable not to. I mean just recently I had to see so many people seemingly way more outraged with Booker for voting against Bernie's amendment (despite voting for a similar one w tougher measures the same night) then they were about the GOP taking people' healthcare away, removing protection for pre-existing conditions, disassembling the C.H.I.P program etc the same night. Not to say there aren't unreasonably anti-Bernie Dems making extreme claims right now too.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:18 (three years ago) link

It seems like every time I object to anything a democrat does, someone jumps in with "Why do you care more about that than x bad thing GOP is doing?" Who says I care "more" about it? I still care about it. No way I'm getting on board with a democrats-are-off-limits policy no matter who's in office. Also, can't help but think the response would be different if it were Joe Manchin instead of Cory Booker. Booker is both targeted and defended because he's seen as a contender for 2020. Some of us don't really think he's an ideal choice. Some people who do seem to think the strategy should be exactly what it was in 2016 -- shoot down anyone who disagrees because they're fucking up the plan.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:23 (three years ago) link

I mean there's already starting to be this familiar attitude around Booker of "I, professional urban person who inherently knows 'electability' better than anyone else, have already determined that this is our guy for four years from now, so you'd better not tarnish him."

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:24 (three years ago) link

the gop taking people's healthcare away is a given. that's what the gop is for. democratic voters being outraged at the gop doesn't make them stop taking people's healthcare away. being outraged (not on twitter tho) at the clinton/booker wing of the dems for its constitutional inability to effectively oppose fascism has some glimmer of a chance of making them more effective.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:29 (three years ago) link

despite voting for a similar one w tougher measures the same night

I spotted what must have been an attempted debunking of this but no way I'm digging through the twitter archives to find it

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:30 (three years ago) link

i agree w man alive that Dem party need to 'stress test' their candidates more. but there will be a lot riding on who the Bernie contingent will be willing to endorse or vote for in 2020, and who they will see as beyond the pale. after the last primary everyone's hoping for a good unifying candidate. so far the tone of anti-Booker stuff i've seen from left has suggested he won't be that

flopson, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:35 (three years ago) link

I'm not particularly a fan of Booker or think he's a great candid choice either but (maybe I was the only one who saw this idk) certain people seemingly way more mad about that particular vote then the stripping of health care. That seems like taking primary grievance pretty far.

A lot of it seems like a reflex. This for example. The idea that HRC would have nominated someone just as bad as DeVos, like this is even a fair comparison.. Are Dems critical of Trump going to be consistently undercut by the left? https://twitter.com/baltimorematt/status/821533320383254528

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:38 (three years ago) link

(maybe I was the only one who saw this idk) certain people seemingly way more mad about that particular vote then the stripping of health care

This is dumb. Progressives are going to be more upset at people who claim to be on their side doing shit like Booker than they are at someone who doesn't make that claim.

Republicans gonna Republican - they're doing exactly what they said they were going to do - beyond a blanket "fuck them" (which I saw everywhere) there's not much reason for a progressive voice to go on about it, whereas the guy who's positioning himself to run in 2020 is going to get criticism for coming out of the gate doing the wrong thing.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:42 (three years ago) link

Agree that it's better Booker is subject to those criticisms sooner than later. He should have just voted for Bernie's amendment since it was symbolic anyway

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 20:43 (three years ago) link

jfc that tweet

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:17 (three years ago) link

that tweet is awesome, brad

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:27 (three years ago) link

clean shot

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 21:28 (three years ago) link

Jeet Boy, Jeet Girl

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 22:12 (three years ago) link

effective ruling politics is not built on members of the ruling party voting for their "local interests" on national issues.

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 22:16 (three years ago) link

TBH, I was pretty amused that democrats lambasted Trump for picking the Hardees CEO for secretary of labor, and then the wikileaks email showed that Clinton was likely going to select Starbucks CEO Howard Schultz. Our fast food is more progressive than theirs I guess.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 22:34 (three years ago) link

Yes, it is. Howard Schultz isn't perfect, but he's worlds better than Andrew Puzder. (and love how Mike Allen has become a go-to source when it serves an end)

by the light of the burning Citroรซn, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 22:42 (three years ago) link

Starbucks is not fast food

(says the guy who can count the number of times he has been inside a Starbuck's on one hand)

ฮŸแฝ–ฯ„ฮนฯ‚, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:03 (three years ago) link

Starbucks is totally fast food, come on.

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:08 (three years ago) link

Yeah Bernie supporters aren't reliving the primary at all, that's only Hillary supporters. Now let's talk about these supposed "ghost cabinet" appointees to say "Hillary would have been bad too" while people who want to destroy government are being confirmed.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:15 (three years ago) link

lol

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:29 (three years ago) link

Our fast food is more progressive than theirs I guess.

I mean ... yes? Like, Starbucks has benefits packages for part-time employees while Carls Jr. is famous for violating laws mandating that employees get a tiny break during the day?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 January 2017 23:48 (three years ago) link

the HRC ghost cabinet isnt about them being as low as Trump's, it's just an indicator that "Sanders is pushing her to the left" was Guess What?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 January 2017 01:22 (three years ago) link

What?

lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Thursday, 19 January 2017 01:51 (three years ago) link

it was bs

flappy bird, Thursday, 19 January 2017 01:55 (three years ago) link

Guess Jeans?

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 19 January 2017 02:15 (three years ago) link

so close
http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/richer-poorer-poindexter-socks/3159594

velko, Thursday, 19 January 2017 02:16 (three years ago) link

Anyway back to Chapo, this radio play episode kind of sucks. Can't stay with it.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 19 January 2017 03:49 (three years ago) link

Would've been better if they were actually into the game while folding in all the fan service.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 January 2017 03:51 (three years ago) link

yeah i can't get through it

flappy bird, Thursday, 19 January 2017 04:03 (three years ago) link

The Eminem bits may well have been the show's nadir.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 19 January 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

Enh, I liked this ep, but I'm a Lovecraft fan, and dug that they did something this dorky.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 19 January 2017 07:35 (three years ago) link

ok I did lol at "Go Miskatonic U! The fightin' squid!"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 19 January 2017 11:58 (three years ago) link

i thought matt's stoned-on-pizza voice was funny but that's p much all i got.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:07 (three years ago) link

Maybe I need to give it more time, I only made it about 10 mins and there was something exhausting about it. It seemed like something that would be really funny and clever at a family gathering but not something I wanted to listen to on the radio.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:09 (three years ago) link

no it's definitely bad

adam, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:12 (three years ago) link

I went back and listened to the Freeway Ross episode that keeps being recommended, and while it eventually got pretty funny there were 15 minutes of boring shit-shooting at the beginning. Pretty standard for a Guys-in-a-living-room podcast. I can see how people can't hang with this.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:26 (three years ago) link

I also didn't know that half of that episode was a relatively sympathetic convo about Sean Hannity

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:27 (three years ago) link

Yeah, when I recommend eps like that I usually remind people to stick through the shit-shooting at the beginning. After a while I think that stuff grows on you too, but at first I can see how it seems inert.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:28 (three years ago) link

I also didn't know that half of that episode was a relatively sympathetic convo about Sean Hannity

I'm sorry, what?

(The caption: โ€œfine dining.โ€) (DJP), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:30 (three years ago) link

http://fair.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/SeanHannityFootball.png

not so hard to understand tbh, looks like a likeable guy imo

marcos, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:33 (three years ago) link

The only way it's relative sympathetic is that they're not just cursing his parentage for 20 mins. Getting into his sadsack need to dine at foofy NYC steakhouses while complaining about elites on the air as well as his compulsion to proof he's the alpha dog enough amongst his employees on an almost daily basis is just part of it. Not to mention his bragging about regular training sessions with Chuck Liddell.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:46 (three years ago) link

eh, they favorably compare him to O'Reilly numerous times and say he'd be fun to go out drinking with. All the negative stuff was kind of a given.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 January 2017 16:09 (three years ago) link

Well, yeah, comparing to Oreilly kinda tilts it a bit.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:09 (three years ago) link

i don't fuck with roleplaying games or table-top stuff but i finally got thru the most recent one and it was good for what it was. obv would appreciate it more if i was a fan of those games. if y'all are following them on twitter, they're already in DC reporting on the Inauguration. psyched for their live show.. tmrw?

flappy bird, Thursday, 19 January 2017 18:59 (three years ago) link

this rules, sorry if it's been posted already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvN464imtMQ

flappy bird, Friday, 20 January 2017 02:13 (three years ago) link

holy shit this kid is a fucking moron

will, Friday, 20 January 2017 02:52 (three years ago) link

That interview has such a great moment of Matt completely blowing up at some chump refusing to engage.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 20 January 2017 03:26 (three years ago) link

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/january-20th-2017/my-dream-for-my-kids-celibacy/

His great desire for his sons is that they be celibate.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 20 January 2017 07:36 (three years ago) link

Matthew Walther is associate editor of the Washington Free Beacon and a Robert Novak Journalism Fellow

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 20 January 2017 07:38 (three years ago) link

new episode is great, one of their best imo, but about 50 min. the audio starts glitching and cutting out, FFS GUYS FIGURE THIS SHIT OUT

flappy bird, Monday, 23 January 2017 20:15 (three years ago) link

the chapo dudes tweets are 100x better than the podcast imo

marcos, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:16 (three years ago) link

perhaps but i prefer longform audio digest as a method of consumption

flappy bird, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:45 (three years ago) link

genius.it annotations > podcasts > tweets imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 22:55 (three years ago) link

Unfortunately, Genius dropped all their freelancers, so Felix and Virgil got canned.

As befits the show, they found out last week while Periscoping the group reaction to the Inauguration.

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

Damn, back to racist teenagers for them, I guess

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 24 January 2017 23:14 (three years ago) link

"....It's a living."

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Tuesday, 24 January 2017 23:15 (three years ago) link

That Walther interview my first Chapo thing I ever heard and it was horrible. I guess I don't like these guys.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:09 (three years ago) link

They themselves didn't like that recording enough to not release it as an episode and dumped it on YouTube instead

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:16 (three years ago) link

Ahh I did not know that... seems like they went for a real "gotcha" thing with an easy target and got frustrated when he didnt give them what they wanted and then a lady yelled for a few minutes.

kurt schwitterz, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:17 (three years ago) link

yeah they normally don't bother bringing on conservative or even lib guests and I gather this is why

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:21 (three years ago) link

kurt, listen to this episode, the most recent one, imo one of the best so far: https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-75-mr-chapo-goes-to-washington-12217

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 01:35 (three years ago) link

A critique more academic than most:

http://reallifemag.com/the-laugherators/

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 05:25 (three years ago) link

as literary critic Linda Hutcheon explains in Ironyโ€™s Edge, irony is inherently dangerous and unstable. The ironist cannot, almost by definition, control who is hurt and how by ironic gestures. โ€œWhy should anyone want to use this strange mode of discourse where you say something you donโ€™t actually mean and expect people to understand not only what you actually do mean but also your attitude toward it?โ€

because deep down you know that your strongly held convictions are just as completely arbitrary, wrong, conditional, and useless as anyone else's
source: i have a very good brain and i've said lots of things

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 08:38 (three years ago) link

I think that qualifies as the "critique from the left" they've expressed hope for.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 10:23 (three years ago) link

i expect the chapo brand of 'it's ok to say retard/fag/bitch if you do compensate with irony and marxism' to age about as badly as 00's hipster racism did

flopson, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:09 (three years ago) link

don't think they've ever stooped to f-bombs but I could be wrong

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:14 (three years ago) link

No, I haven't heard one

THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:40 (three years ago) link

me neither. btw what is the origin of felix's 'lil homie gay ass' running joke

flappy bird, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 18:44 (three years ago) link

the lack of historicism in discussions of irony really bothers me.

like does nobody read nate west anymore or smth

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 19:54 (three years ago) link

lol this sux, same shit, go throw a rock ppl. lets see that shit.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 January 2017 17:52 (three years ago) link

ok, feel better. sorry to thread, got tired of their schtick. carry on.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 27 January 2017 17:59 (three years ago) link

a boy used to go outside and throw a rock

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 27 January 2017 18:11 (three years ago) link

Taibbi on again this week, should be a good time

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 27 January 2017 18:13 (three years ago) link

these guys need to start turning episodes around quicker cuz releasing an episode today which doesn't cover the events of this weekend is nagl

the greg evigan school of improvised explosive devices (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 January 2017 10:39 (three years ago) link

Oh did Hillary do something dumb this weekend?

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 30 January 2017 14:10 (three years ago) link

I thought the same thing- iirc they recorded it on thursday, I know the thing doesn't take 3 days to edit- but tbf the news has been moving at light speed lately

flappy bird, Monday, 30 January 2017 16:10 (three years ago) link

if only they had some steady stream of income that could allow them to adapt heir output to a swiftly-changing political landscape without worrying about day jobs

bayland rippenkroeger, stunt artiste (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 January 2017 16:24 (three years ago) link

their popularity is growing pretty quickly too, they're still adjusting... even the sound has improved in the last month

flappy bird, Monday, 30 January 2017 17:38 (three years ago) link

New one w Taibbi was really good. Always enjoyed the stories they've told on the show about the GOP primary events thy witnessed in person.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 04:08 (three years ago) link

good ep

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 05:57 (three years ago) link

I enjoyed the new premium Chapo Book Club ep. I've never read any of Mark Fisher's stuff.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 16:51 (three years ago) link

I can't seem to reach the search function right now but there's plenty of discussion in the K Punk thread.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 18:26 (three years ago) link

K Punk: classic or dud?

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 18:30 (three years ago) link

thx Jim!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 January 2017 20:42 (three years ago) link

And someone posted Mark Fisher's book: https://libcom.org/library/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 03:52 (three years ago) link

his new one was released (in the us at least) yesterday as well

adam, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 11:57 (three years ago) link

It was refreshing to hear them genuinely humbled/moved by the scale of the protests

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 13:10 (three years ago) link

http://nymag.com/selectall/2015/12/nine-canonical-responses-to-u-mad.html

just reread this classic piece by Felix and Virgil. so funny

also, this still works: https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=from%3A%40KurtSchlichter%20model%20wife&src=typd

flopson, Sunday, 5 February 2017 17:58 (three years ago) link

The S@dy d0yle stuff in the followup piece (in Outline) is upsetting.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:04 (three years ago) link

l1nk?

flopson, Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:07 (three years ago) link

man i really hope that squiggly normcore bs is not the future of web design

flopson, Sunday, 5 February 2017 18:26 (three years ago) link

"The Outline is filmed at Nickelodeon Studios in Orlando, Florida"

Whiney G. Weingarten, Sunday, 5 February 2017 22:36 (three years ago) link

Whoa, the synopsis for Mark Fisher's posthumous release sounds awesome:

What exactly are the Weird and the Eerie? In this new essay, Mark Fisher argues that some of the most haunting and anomalous fiction of the 20th century belongs to these two modes. The Weird and the Eerie are closely related but distinct modes, each possessing its own distinct properties. Both have often been associated with Horror, yet this emphasis overlooks the aching fascination that such texts can exercise. The Weird and the Eerie both fundamentally concern the outside and the unknown, which are not intrinsically horrifying, even if they are always unsettling.

Perhaps a proper understanding of the human condition requires examination of liminal concepts such as the weird and the eerie.

These two modes will be analysed with reference to the work of authors such as H. P. Lovecraft, H. G. Wells, M.R. James, Christopher Priest, Joan Lindsay, Nigel Kneale, Daphne Du Maurier, Alan Garner and Margaret Atwood, and films by Stanley Kubrick, Jonathan Glazer and Christoper Nolan.

Hell yeah I'd read that.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Sunday, 5 February 2017 22:56 (three years ago) link

that does sound great - if it stopped three words earlier i'd be even more psyched

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 5 February 2017 23:14 (three years ago) link

haha i read it this weekend and i thought "kingfish would like this."

the christopher nolan bit is kinda forced and he doesn't do a great job differentiating the weird and eerie at times but overall worthwhile

adam, Monday, 6 February 2017 01:00 (three years ago) link

I still don't understand their episode release schedule, or whether they even have one

The Felix interview with the MMA journalist was cool though

generally they do a premium ep midweek and a public ep on the weekend, but...not always?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:04 (three years ago) link

Apparently new ep will be up tonight. Last week was different in two premium eps.

They sorta should up the show rate thanks to all the dosh they're taking in.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:13 (three years ago) link

Yeah, and adhere to a schedule

flappy bird, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:39 (three years ago) link

I assume they pushed this one back a bit to fit theit Celebrity Guest's schedule

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 03:41 (three years ago) link

one of their weakest eps tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:33 (three years ago) link

yeah they were trying way too hard with Tim, and he was being kind of an asshole... like when they got thru reading Ben Shapiro's book, like "ahahaha Tim isn't this terrible?" and Tim just sort of shrugged.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:49 (three years ago) link

Heidecker is just not a terribly interesting interview imo (tho I like him a lot as a performer)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:54 (three years ago) link

Finally surpassed Amanda Palmer:

https://graphtreon.com

1K more patrons in the last few weeks alone, almos my close to breaking $500K/yr

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:56 (three years ago) link

jesus

flopson, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 18:57 (three years ago) link

Heidecker ep would have been listenable if he did it in-character as Alex Jones for the entire episode

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:15 (three years ago) link

yeah a recording of the "Alex Jones-off" would have been way more enjoyable

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:28 (three years ago) link

his Alex Jones impression is insanely good

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:54 (three years ago) link

I think they'd have better luck with an Eric Andre episode.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

idk i don't think "minor celebrities talking politics" is a good road to go down for these guys

adam, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:00 (three years ago) link

like that's too close to joe rogan for comfort

adam, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:00 (three years ago) link

yeah I agree with that, inasmuch as they need guests I'd prefer they bring in people from different segments of the left to provide some different angles of commentary

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:03 (three years ago) link

i did enjoy how giddily that princeton historian got into the incel vs volcel dichotomy of history

goole, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:14 (three years ago) link

haha what ep is that

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:14 (three years ago) link

I was hoping they'd ask TH whether it was hard to do surreal comedy now that real life is so surreal. Maybe they'd have ask e or 4 times but I'm sure the answer would be interesting.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:16 (three years ago) link

the thing is there *is* a kernel of interest there in terms of the futility of making fun of Trump, having to find new modes of comedy, etc but instead they...just made fun of Trump for an hour

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:24 (three years ago) link

haha what ep is that

โ€• global tetrahedron, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:14 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ep 50. matt karp

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:25 (three years ago) link

Yeah, show's less than a year in, and even with the improvements, they still can get overwhelmed or over-awed at a guest. Sometimes this is okay, like with the Adam Curtis ep, and sometimes not.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:28 (three years ago) link

will did ask the question though, it just didn't go anywhere.

and yeah I agree they should stick to having other journos and political ppl on rather than celebs- Heidecker is a miserable interview, very smug & aloof & not willing to give much.

Hideo Kojima would be a dream guest for Felix, I feel.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:29 (three years ago) link

I like the Matt Karp ep and want to check out his book.

I think he also pops up on the post-election ep to help bag on people.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 20:35 (three years ago) link

does anyone remember which episodes they do Ben Shapiro readings on? besides #68 and #79

flappy bird, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:00 (three years ago) link

Heidecker is just not a terribly interesting interview imo (tho I like him a lot as a performer)

idk i don't think "minor celebrities talking politics" is a good road to go down for these guys

otm. i listened to "the Blob" ep (re the Iran deal/ foreign policy est generally) on the way to work this morning. not a laugh riot but still funny and really informative deep-dive with a knowledgeable and likeable guest.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:11 (three years ago) link

though if they do go down this road there are certainly folks that would be preferable to Heidecker (of whom I am a fan btw)

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 21:19 (three years ago) link

i thought this episode was fine and that tim quite enjoyed it and was good natured enough

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:42 (three years ago) link

was expecting some car crash after reading this thread

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:42 (three years ago) link

A view of the recording. The college radio DJ in me is thrashing at their lack of self-monitoring headphones, and that Brendan is still recording everything straight to laptop, which means they're going to keep losing shows.

https://mobile.twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/829455150288887819

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4LRDwPWcAAJPLk.jpg

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Thursday, 9 February 2017 17:43 (three years ago) link

the new premium episode sounds great, but yeah i saw that pic & wanted to scream at the screen BUY SOME HEADPHONES

flappy bird, Thursday, 9 February 2017 18:27 (three years ago) link

guys bear with me but i think the sitting around with mics and not treating it like a serious show is...part of their thing idk

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 9 February 2017 19:59 (three years ago) link

they gotta have the right vibe maaaan

marcos, Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:02 (three years ago) link

i don't care as long as the episodes sound as good as the one today, and as long as they don't lose another episode because of a fucking cat

flappy bird, Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:17 (three years ago) link

The Heidecker ep was pretty weak imo, otm about it just turning into an hour of making fun of trump (except for the Shapiro stuff which is always good). Ironically it's Matt of all of them who falls most into the trap of "OMG he's so dumb!" which makes him sound like the average liberal on facebook.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:20 (three years ago) link

https://www.amazon.com/Gorilla-Mindset-Control-Thoughts-Emotions-ebook/dp/B0100Q4S7E

After hearing all the Cernovich/Gorilla Mindset references I really wish they'd do a reading series. I can't bring myself to read it but I want to know what's inside.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:28 (three years ago) link

I dunno, the dude's twitter is bad enough:

https://twitter.com/cernovich/

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Thursday, 9 February 2017 20:31 (three years ago) link

Whoa, afternoon premium show

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:24 (three years ago) link

the pisspiggranddad interview was interesting but it was pretty weird how they didn't seem interested in following up on his 'lol we don't have child soldiers as long as you don't think 14-year-olds are children' comment

for sale: steve bannon waifu pillow (heavily soiled) (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:14 (three years ago) link

I'm having a hard time with the ppg interview - maybe I'm not ironic enough but the interesting topics are getting buried in Metal Gear jokes and lulz.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:31 (three years ago) link

yeah, they aren't very good at interviews.

I'm starting to get a bit annoyed with the attention these dudes get. Even in relation to other podcasters, like Michael Brooks, the sidekick on the Majority Report, is ten funnier and smarter than these guys put together. Listening to them is like the taste of Mountain Dew on your tongue for an hour.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:42 (three years ago) link

Well, that's the stylistic difference, isn't it? Majority Report is Sam Seder's show, so it would come down to how much you dig Adam Seder's stuff.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:48 (three years ago) link

Adam Sam Seder

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:49 (three years ago) link

Sure. Hes got his own show too. But yeah I like Seder a fiction more than the Chapos

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:53 (three years ago) link

Phone corrected fuckton to fiction

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:54 (three years ago) link

I liked the PPG episode but generally I value the dumb joeks more than the sociopolitical import

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

i'm just going to assume that they did an episode about the power puff girls

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 19:59 (three years ago) link

re: quality of interviews, they vary wildly. the Adam Curtis and Ricky Rawls eps were good. generally I prefer them to stick to journos.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:04 (three years ago) link

Sure. Hes got his own show too. But yeah I like Seder a fiction more than the Chapos

And there you go. These guys are just getting a lot of attention because they're both serving a function and offering seen as new and different to a lot of people. Similar to how Air America(incl Sam's show) got plenty of focus when they started broadcasting.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:43 (three years ago) link

Offering something seen as new and different, I should say

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:44 (three years ago) link

the hour-of-Mountain-Dew comparison is where I'm at too. these guys are just so deeply jaundiced about everything that it starts to drag on my soul listening to them for too long. I followed them on Twitter and then immediately unfollowed the most exhausting guy (I think Will?) and honestly I'm probably gonna cut the cord with the whole outfit before too long.

evol j, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 20:49 (three years ago) link

Scahill's Intercepted is much better at interviews

Gukbe, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 23:25 (three years ago) link

re: quality of interviews, they vary wildly. the Adam Curtis and Ricky Rawls eps were good.

true. i dug the one with Matthew Karp a lot. been meaning to pick up his book.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:41 (three years ago) link

We'll, this interview was depressing.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:46 (three years ago) link

We'll well

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 01:49 (three years ago) link

which brings us back to DOE DOE DOE DOE

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 02:03 (three years ago) link

i wonder if the whole 'laughing at dads in family court' thing is kind of misguided and not a good look idk

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:28 (three years ago) link

A lot of the interviews have been good, I think the problem was probably the guest this time.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 15 February 2017 04:34 (three years ago) link

https://m.soundcloud.com/user-253233419/whale-vomit-episode-1-they-built-the-fjords

Amber and Sam Kriss have a show now. Sam sounds like he's recording from a small closet.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Friday, 3 March 2017 21:50 (three years ago) link

huh

last few Chapos have been really solid, Angela Nagle in particular was great

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 3 March 2017 21:56 (three years ago) link

xp- can't imagine something i wannna listen to less lol

flopson, Friday, 3 March 2017 21:57 (three years ago) link

Latest Patreon episode is great.

Zeeeeeero interest in any Sam Kriss prodcast.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 3 March 2017 22:13 (three years ago) link

yeah I tried with it and the sound quality + total lack of structure or theme wore me out.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 3 March 2017 22:16 (three years ago) link

amber is my least favourite of the hosts, sam kriss is my least favourite guest

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 3 March 2017 22:17 (three years ago) link

yeah agree that the last one was really good. not to bring up stern again but like that show they are at their best when they are cracking each other up (i know this wears thin for other people but i find it infectious).

it's interesting to watch them evolve and learn a difficult medium as they go. they are essentially talented amateurs, so i'm ok with shows being really uneven.

ryan, Friday, 3 March 2017 22:26 (three years ago) link

I love Sam Kriss but having him on a podcast with someone trying to agree with him is a terrible dynamic, he's at his best skirting this very precise edge of "my take is bad but bad takes are actually good and important", this was totally unlistenable.

Gravel Puzzleworth, Friday, 3 March 2017 22:31 (three years ago) link

saw True Stories last night and realized Virgil got his name from the town the movie is set in.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 23:00 (three years ago) link

Is Street Fight Radio any good? I keep meaning to try them out but haven't gotten round to it yet.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 17 March 2017 14:09 (three years ago) link

Two stay-at-home dads/stand-ups from Columbus. Pretty jocular and open and easygoing on the air.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Friday, 17 March 2017 21:11 (three years ago) link

I listen to Street Fight from time to time. The guys are very likeable but the show drags sometimes. I usually listen to my Chapo, Cum Town and The Dig with Daniel Denvir eps first, then it's a toss-up btw Katie Halper show, Street Fight and Delete Your Account depending on guests.

Also Doug Henwood if there's a new one is somewhere in the upper range of the hierarchy.

FWIW one of them is not fully a stay-home dad bc he drives for Lyft.

Latest premium Chapo was p good but I hate when a show has a guest and then doesn't utilize the guest. You can't assume they'll just vibe, you have to do something to get them involved. He said like three things the whole show.

Yeah, it was a disappointing underuse of a guest. 40 minutes of Garfield talk and Caleb took up the entire time

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Saturday, 18 March 2017 02:23 (three years ago) link

agreed but the garfield shit is funny as fuck imo

flappy bird, Sunday, 19 March 2017 01:21 (three years ago) link

latest episode rules, it's a "clip show," and not only do they acknowledge the shit sound quality, but also Will's fucked up mispronunciation of words - he pronounces "zine" phonetically instead of "zeen" and everyone piles on. thank god. Matt as Walther howling in the void is amazing, and reminds me of whenever Howard Stern puts tons of reverb on his mic and sings In the Court of the Crimson King.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 17:29 (three years ago) link

i thought it sucked tbh

also too earnest

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 18:59 (three years ago) link

https://soundcloud.com/have-you-seen-this/021-on-deadly-ground

felix is good speaking on seagal's magnum opus "on deadly ground" on the podcast have you seen this? but the podcast hosts are terribly unfunny so it's a bit of a trade off

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 19:01 (three years ago) link

same podcast has had will on talking about scorsese and matt talking about the shitty 90s film mad dog time

Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 March 2017 19:02 (three years ago) link

aw i liked that they got sincere at the end, it was cute

flappy bird, Wednesday, 22 March 2017 20:22 (three years ago) link

Matt as Walther howling in the void is amazing, and reminds me of whenever Howard Stern puts tons of reverb on his mic and sings In the Court of the Crimson King.

โ€• flappy bird, Wednesday, March 22, 2017 1:29 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is just clips of harvey keitel in bad lieutenant btw

slam dunk, Thursday, 23 March 2017 01:25 (three years ago) link

aw i liked that they got sincere at the end, it was cute

I agree

for anyone who didn't know or noticeknow they are now the top patreon by any metric, currently sitting at a ludicrous $51,147/mo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 March 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

*know or notice

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 March 2017 01:33 (three years ago) link

cheeseburgers and blow!

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 01:52 (three years ago) link

it's great that media people are still good at being in media

also i was in an uber yesterday and i was subjected to a podcast recap of some youtube political pundit drama at sxsw and i wanted to claw my face off

maura, Thursday, 23 March 2017 02:05 (three years ago) link

support yellow cab!

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 02:32 (three years ago) link

what kind of monster subjects their passengers to a podcast ffs

physicist and christian lambert dolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 March 2017 10:49 (three years ago) link

wait people still uber

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 March 2017 12:05 (three years ago) link

i was subjected to a podcast recap of some youtube political pundit drama at sxsw

p sure this is a war crime

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 March 2017 12:29 (three years ago) link

The 'I love you guys' bit at the end went on too long. When they were bigging up Brendan I was like, 'yeah, if he was that good he would cut this segment way shorter'.

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 23 March 2017 13:00 (three years ago) link

the clip show idea was fine in itself but the delivery was dire - whenever these guys do skits i just feel like i'm listening to half-baked college radio. they're a lot more entertaining when they're just riffing amongst themselves

physicist and christian lambert dolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 March 2017 13:25 (three years ago) link

yeah most of their scripted stuff is Not Good, thankfully they're too lazy to do it that much

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 March 2017 13:28 (three years ago) link

the Joe Rogan bit was extremely undercooked, and their Vidal/Buckley impressions were just ok- i thought the Adam Curtis, post-election cheering, "zine," and Maron bits were great. earnest i love yous at the end was enough for a full year, i feel

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 16:55 (three years ago) link

I would be happy enough if every episode was reading series-style - one ep a week of cracking on a couple of stupid columns and articles, one ep on a book. They get side-tracked enough in those that you still get them riffing and talking about current events.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 23 March 2017 17:46 (three years ago) link

the Caleb readings are so fucking good

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:01 (three years ago) link

i saw someone call chapo 'the penny arcade of the left' and i can't shake it now

ciderpress, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:08 (three years ago) link

enh, there's plenty of material to clown the chapo folks with but none of them seem nearly as damaged and bitter as the penny arcade dipshits

physicist and christian lambert dolphin (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:24 (three years ago) link

oh god i just remembered penny arcade

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 March 2017 19:15 (three years ago) link

Is anybody else on the Discord server? I've been enjoying it.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 March 2017 06:03 (three years ago) link

There's an interview with Will on monday's Majority Report. Don't worry, Sam Seder's not there.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 March 2017 12:55 (three years ago) link

man, it takes 15 minutes to get past the ad drops and generic set-up in that Majority Report episode, brutal

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 30 March 2017 23:02 (three years ago) link

The revolution will be advertised.

Frederik B, Friday, 31 March 2017 07:20 (three years ago) link

by mailchimp

maura, Friday, 31 March 2017 11:11 (three years ago) link

new premium ep was the best (and most substantial) in a while

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 31 March 2017 11:21 (three years ago) link

Agreed. More book episodes, plz

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Friday, 31 March 2017 15:43 (three years ago) link

yep it was great, so was their discussion of Zack Snyder's 300

flappy bird, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:31 (three years ago) link

More book episodes, plz

I think the general sweet spot is "bring in a guest who wrote something worth discussing"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:07 (three years ago) link

The sweet spot is finding crazy right-wing articles and books and roasting the shit out of them, IMO.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:11 (three years ago) link

I prefer the lib roasting to the right-winger roasting tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:21 (three years ago) link

I thought the JD Vance takedown was really good, not actually that funny but very smart and nuanced in its tackling of a target a little harder than the average nat review pundit.

That too

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Sunday, 2 April 2017 05:26 (three years ago) link

can't wait for Jeet Heer's appearance

flappy bird, Sunday, 2 April 2017 22:33 (three years ago) link

good ep, though they missed a good opportunity to dispel the Bernie bro tag by adding (rightly) that he would probably have bombed Syria too

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 10 April 2017 03:07 (three years ago) link

pareene sounds like a nerdy sylvester the cat

'it's is my life' - jon bovi (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 April 2017 09:02 (three years ago) link

why wd they want to dispel the bernie bro tag?

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 10 April 2017 09:03 (three years ago) link

adomian's gorka impersonation is a+ tho

'it's is my life' - jon bovi (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 April 2017 09:03 (three years ago) link

Tim Heidecker and Adomian should do a podcast series in character as Alex Jones and Gorka. I'd give Patreon money for that.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 10 April 2017 19:13 (three years ago) link

I remember Adomian from his first appearance saying that he thought Bernie lost the primary due to DNC orchestrated voter suppression (which he claimed to have witnessed "first hand" while voting in L.A.) which I take to mean he had to wait in a line. His Zizek is great though.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 10 April 2017 20:28 (three years ago) link

remember the coin tosses in Iowa?

flappy bird, Monday, 10 April 2017 20:36 (three years ago) link

oh i will have to finally listen to this to hear AP

btw the up-to-date term is PutinBot

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 April 2017 20:40 (three years ago) link

it's right up your alley morbs

global tetrahedron, Monday, 10 April 2017 20:48 (three years ago) link

i liked their gorka

Treeship, Monday, 10 April 2017 20:51 (three years ago) link

the Pareene ep is a pretty good starting point

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 10 April 2017 21:20 (three years ago) link

They finally recorded Matt well for the first time in forever

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Monday, 10 April 2017 22:16 (three years ago) link

Nice bit of synchronicity with Adomian's delivery of his last name and the place Pareene used to E-I-C at

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Monday, 10 April 2017 22:17 (three years ago) link

They finally recorded Matt well for the first time in forever

I suspect he was in the room for a change, or he found a way to record his own fucking audio finally

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 10 April 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

he was definitely in the room

flappy bird, Monday, 10 April 2017 23:25 (three years ago) link

I had forgotten about the coin flips, there were lots of little stories like that that were spread around a lot.
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/02/465268206/coin-toss-fact-check-no-coin-flips-did-not-win-iowa-for-hillary-clinton

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 01:01 (three years ago) link

they're doing a show in Brooklyn at end of the month but tix are gone

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:23 (three years ago) link

new one is so good. "he would bomb Berlin" "but to kill Oscar Schindler" "...does anyone know anything about the girl in the red dress?"

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:49 (three years ago) link

i liked the line that trump is a president that jon stewart could actually take down, re: the 'president bannon' banter

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

yeah that struck me too, it's probably right.... fuck

flappy bird, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 20:03 (three years ago) link

I have to admit sometimes I get a little tired of their relentless "it's all so terrible" schtick. It's really no knock on their work, *anything* can get tiresome after nearly 100 episodes.

in their defense everything *is* terrible

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:46 (three years ago) link

well, yeah

years of immersion in the seduction community (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:47 (three years ago) link

felix is bad and not funny

adam, Thursday, 13 April 2017 15:49 (three years ago) link

virgil too

adam, Thursday, 13 April 2017 15:49 (three years ago) link

felix is may favourite!

years of immersion in the seduction community (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 April 2017 15:50 (three years ago) link

felix is...fine, but definitely my least favorite.

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:15 (three years ago) link

i followed him for years on twitter before this. seems like a really weird dude

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:21 (three years ago) link

I think the guests are often more interesting than they are. They had this Irish woman on once who was making a lot of incisive points about the psychology of the alt right and they kept interrupting her to make cracks about how alt right guys live in their parents' basements

Treeship, Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:25 (three years ago) link

yeah, i remember that interview, i definitely wanted more of her and considerably less of them

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:36 (three years ago) link

i do appreciate angry matt rants, and think he's probably the "smartest"/has the most interesting commentary

a friend of mine (a very smart and funny guy himself!) thinks felix is hilarious, which i just do not understand, his schtick is rote and predictable, he has literally one joke and he tells it over and over again

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:38 (three years ago) link

wait, i'm doubting myself now - felix is the videogame enthusiast right?

years of immersion in the seduction community (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:40 (three years ago) link

yes, the weight-lifting masturbator

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:45 (three years ago) link

we share two-thirds of our leisure-time enthusiasms

years of immersion in the seduction community (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:46 (three years ago) link

xpost Agreed re: Matt's commentary. I really liked his thing a few episodes back about how for years fiction/popular culture/analysis prepared us for Trump but not what comes after.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:46 (three years ago) link

i think Felix is hilarious, he's definitely the quickest. there's a classic radio chemistry between the three (and Virgil & Amber), it really does feel like lightning in a bottle, like the Stern show.

as far as their 'everything is terrible' schtick, well, it's no different than any other show or podcast about politics these days, whether it's late night talk shows, cable news, or other podcasts...

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 April 2017 16:51 (three years ago) link

Felix has three go-to jokes and they're getting pretty old now. Eminem/Metal Gear/Stolen Valor, we get it.

Amber and Matt are my favorites, they don't have as much of a schtick.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:26 (three years ago) link

+ John Podesta

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:35 (three years ago) link

all their Trump impressions are terrible but i lost it at the bit about Trump wanting to bomb Berlin, "but to kill Oscar Schindler," and then Felix: "so what do we know about the girl in the red dress?"

flappy bird, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:37 (three years ago) link

Is anyone listening to the Bernie Sanders Podcast?

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:53 (three years ago) link

Does he do a Gorka impression?

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:06 (three years ago) link

i wonder if the whole 'laughing at dads in family court' thing is kind of misguided and not a good look idk

โ€• global tetrahedron, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:28 PM (one month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no one ever cleared this up for global in this thread and that's totally hilarious to me. I think about it every time they make a family court joke

SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:47 (three years ago) link

he has literally one joke and he tells it over and over again

tbf he has five jokes he tells over and over again: family court, valor stealing, metal gear, beltway pundit, diarrhea

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 April 2017 21:08 (three years ago) link

i know that Chapo is in many ways closely kin to Gawker (pareene guesting, Felix writes for deadspin, etc) but the other day on twitter max or adrian said that 'if gawker were founded today it would have to be a leftist shock jock comedy podcast' and i just wanted to tearfully slap 'em in the face screaming YOU TAKE THAT BACK

flopson, Thursday, 13 April 2017 21:13 (three years ago) link

The only reason Chapo is as popular as it is is because it's filling a snark void since Peter Thiel decided Gawker shouldn't exist anymore.

SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 April 2017 21:43 (three years ago) link

and that's no shots at Chapo, but I certainly valued having one media presence that wasn't just lying to me and scamming me all day in the age of sites like Vice that are basically long cons on advertisers

SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 April 2017 21:46 (three years ago) link

and that's why i moved to Reddit Island

SSN Lucci (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 April 2017 21:46 (three years ago) link

They're doing a sold-out fundrazor for the Boston DSA tonight at Harvard, aren't they?

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Thursday, 13 April 2017 22:16 (three years ago) link

the Snark deficit is real

flopson, Friday, 14 April 2017 01:40 (three years ago) link

^^^this is a good one

also felix is actually pretty funny in it

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:40 (three years ago) link

i listened to (most of) the Pareene ep. They laugh a little too much at themselves, but it worked for Paul Lynde.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:47 (three years ago) link

i also completely forgot who Gorka was; too many characters to keep track of in this admin, needs streamlining.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:49 (three years ago) link

i haven't heard about Gorka in any other context besides Chapo.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 16:55 (three years ago) link

how many ppl itt listen to Cum Town

flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:02 (three years ago) link

no but i listen to Smegma Hamlet and Tittyfuck Valley

sleepingbag, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:05 (three years ago) link

Those aren't real podcasts you yo-yo

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

listened to a couple of the first cum towns (cums town?), was not impressed

years of immersion in the seduction community (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:17 (three years ago) link

i wasn't into it at first but now im fully immersed. honestly all of the radio shows/podcasts i listen to i hated at first, chapo included

flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:25 (three years ago) link

the latest one is really good, it was a patreon only but an hero uploaded it to soundcloud https://soundcloud.com/user-546393555/4-16-2017-nyc-boys

-dennis rodman was the first transgender
-he fucked madonna in a dress though
-prince was gender fluid
-no he wasn't
-prince was his own gender. he had his own symbol.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

The real Gorka phone call is worth hearing for reference, Adomian builds off of it really well and it's not exaggerated that much in places surprisingly.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/sebastian-gorka-trump-michael-smith-phone-call-2017-2

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 19:58 (three years ago) link

The most recent premium where they take apart West Wing is top form.

West Wing takedowns are a dime a dozen. Keep it behind the paywall fellas.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 April 2017 14:04 (three years ago) link

IDK I have seen criticism of Sorkin's hackneyed writing but I haven't heard such a thorough analysis of the show as a theory of modern liberalism and predictor of the Obama administration.

yeah, someone was complaining that they bitch about the west wing in every episode, but they haven't dedicated 70 minutes to it yet. great episode. new cum town up too

flappy bird, Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:46 (three years ago) link

eternal sunshining West Wing out of the mind of the Dem electorate wd give us a fighting chance

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:48 (three years ago) link

people would leave the clinic and say "Damn, what a horrible shitbag Joe Biden is."

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:50 (three years ago) link

I dunno Dem staffers have 4 years to brush up on Gilbert and Sullivan lyrics

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:51 (three years ago) link

Lol ok so you never watched the show? I didn't either - Sorkin is a god awful writer who thinks you're an utter moron - but those analogies are like saying that unicorns and pegasi, despite being fictional, are a lot like horses, which are real

Sorry I just agree with prez keyes. If you subscribe to listen to some dudes talk for over an hour about how the west wing is like the Obama admin I have a town you should move to where that service is included with the rent

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:56 (three years ago) link

west wing is like the second most popular popular culture reference for centrists on the internet after harry potter. it's a noxious influence.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:05 (three years ago) link

Brendan was otm about Sorkin's irritating dependence on repetition.

flappy bird, Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:07 (three years ago) link

Can't wait to hear Chapo tear into the David Palmer administration too

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:08 (three years ago) link

sorkin's zingier dialogue always feels like the one liners people think of as comebacks an hour after the fact

nomar, Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:11 (three years ago) link

a theory of modern liberalism and predictor of the Obama administration.

So glad Brooklyn has been able to produce a radio hour in which the first black president's career can be revealed to have been secretly predicted by a shit network tv show

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:14 (three years ago) link

well, it "predicted" Obama in that the Jimmy Smits character in the later seasons was based on Obama

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:18 (three years ago) link

did they actually compare it to the Obama admin as a drawn out thing or just clown Sorkin? I'm down for the latter, the former does sound dumb

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:21 (three years ago) link

imo the trying to reason with republicans who were blockading was very West Wing-esque

apparently Obama recently mentioned about how if he knew they genuinely had no interest in doing work he'd have pitched full-blown single payer instead of a bill that was basically an olive branch

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:22 (three years ago) link

"we will do everything in our power to make sure you get no second term, including not doing our jobs"

"hey guys, here's the heritage foundation's healthcare bill, are we friends now?"

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:23 (three years ago) link

xp which is insane, because Mitch McConnell said from the outset that their one and only goal was ensuring that Obama would not get a second term. He should've gone all the way.

flappy bird, Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:24 (three years ago) link

secretly predicted by a shit network tv show

it's more like they peddled what his base would fall for

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:24 (three years ago) link

Think about what politicians and the mass media have in common for a second there, genius

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 April 2017 17:45 (three years ago) link

apparently Obama recently mentioned about how if he knew they genuinely had no interest in doing work he'd have pitched full-blown single payer

he'd have failed, cuz too many dems were (and still are) beholden to big money interests (wall street, insurance companies, etc.). they would have joined the Rs and shot down single payer.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 20 April 2017 18:07 (three years ago) link

the point of political compromise is that you start close to your ideal position (or in these overton window bullshit times, two steps more severe) and then hash it out until you come to a version that can get enough votes while still being something you would support

if that meant compromising to the extent it got corporatist democrats on board then it still wouldn't have been pandering at roadblock idiots

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 18:52 (three years ago) link

there are so many pieces in place that you could fix without going full single payer, and amazingly, this was spoken about quite well by a guest on chapo

tbh the hosts barely got in many of their normal snipefests

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 18:53 (three years ago) link

I mean, the Obama admin put out a proposal that was nearly exactly what the republican playbook had as its hedge against single payer.

The congressional republicans, on the other hand, are currently busy cheering on all the states fucking up every part of the plan they can, and are busy passing ten week bans on abortion

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 18:57 (three years ago) link

How is this any different than people on facebook comparing Trump to Voldemort? The West Wing is a fantasy.

human music...I like it! (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:47 (three years ago) link

it is nearly the same, the only diff is the show was about a fictional oval office

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:55 (three years ago) link

I get that, I just think it's a stretch to extrapolate "this is a show I enjoy" into "this show perfectly encapsulates my entire worldview," even in the case of a political show like WW

human music...I like it! (voodoo chili), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:59 (three years ago) link

It's not comparing Obama to Bartlett, they spend the hour talking about how The West Wing is symptomatic of contemporary liberalism.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:59 (three years ago) link

Annie and her sisters and her cousins and some shots of uncle ted

virginity simple (darraghmac), Thursday, 20 April 2017 20:00 (three years ago) link

and by contemporary liberalism we mean all liberalism since goldman and berkman tried to kill frick?

phil ochs already shot the fish in this barrel I think

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 April 2017 20:06 (three years ago) link

I read through more tweets related to this whole topic/thread and it wasn't good, but this particular tweet struck me as chapo-lite
https://twitter.com/kathbarbadoro/status/855086073550123008

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 20:26 (three years ago) link

heyo

El Tomboto, Thursday, 20 April 2017 21:14 (three years ago) link

also, never read responses on twitter because the people who literally try to infer things that are easily googled will just fucking blow you away

neo... liberalism. like the new left? is this about bernie sanders?

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 21:19 (three years ago) link

that was a direct quote of an infamous deray tweet

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 April 2017 21:20 (three years ago) link

that's what I mean, the responses to deray from people trying to define it... there are a bunch who are trying to puzzle through it

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 21:26 (three years ago) link

like, his question is bad, but the answers that are not snark or people trying to do his work for him, are worse than the question

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Thursday, 20 April 2017 21:27 (three years ago) link

ahahahhahahahhahahahaha that is fucking amazing

flappy bird, Friday, 21 April 2017 01:41 (three years ago) link

How is this any different than people on facebook comparing Trump to Voldemort? The West Wing is a fantasy.

If those people's thesis was "the modern republican party is directly inspired by reading 'Harry Potter', thinks it's Voldermort and acts accordingly" maybe.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 21 April 2017 09:25 (three years ago) link

^ defensible thesis imo

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:15 (three years ago) link

Better than being inspired by the Turner Diaries or Port of Saints imo

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:40 (three years ago) link

How is this any different than people on facebook comparing Trump to Voldemort? The West Wing is a fantasy

Because a ton of real life think tank wonks, editors, and pols (specifically centrist Dems) worship TWW and/or the mindset that informs it

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:41 (three years ago) link

lol was he going to pitch single payer to the health insurance lobbyists writing the bill

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:45 (three years ago) link

idk TWW was created in a political age where Bill Clinton would bring Newt to the White House and charm him into concessions. Sorkin left that show in like 2003. It was a different world.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 13:46 (three years ago) link

would that be when they were teaming up to dismantle the welfare state

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 14:05 (three years ago) link

I believe it was during budget negotiations when Gingrich said he had to go into "detox for several hours" after meeting with Clinton and being "sucked in" by his charm

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 14:22 (three years ago) link

I think the central conceit that the high-minded, sanctimonious idealism of Aaron Sorkin is symptomatic of "the way all liberals think" is inaccurate and one's enjoyment (or even 'worship') of a television show is not indicative of an entire worldview.

Honestly, what I think it boils down to is people in Washington are narcissists, and they like watching shows about themselves. And if a show like TWW portrays White House office drones as brilliant, charismatic defenders of the enlightenment, they're gonna respond positively to it.

passionate plant-based athlete (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:06 (three years ago) link

I dunno, there's certainly a pompous "have you no shame" house style that a lot of liberals love which feels pretty reminiscent of "The West Wing" to me, though obviously it predates it.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 21 April 2017 15:25 (three years ago) link

I think it may date back to this

passionate plant-based athlete (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:28 (three years ago) link

I was gonna namedrop Joseph Welch in my previous post to make it clear I know where the quote's from but thought it'd be assumed, oh well.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 21 April 2017 15:31 (three years ago) link

keith olbermann is perhaps the most noxious and visible figure in this vein

global tetrahedron, Friday, 21 April 2017 15:31 (three years ago) link

it's like tww style happened, got wrecked, and the only thing that got passed on for chapo was the smug. sorry millenials.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:31 (three years ago) link

well, yeah... The liberal fantasy is always one where decency and empathetic wonkiness win out over lizard brain antics. I don't really see the Chapo fantasy as an improvement.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:33 (three years ago) link

It's more that the liberal fantasy is 'listening to both sides' and starting from a position of deep compromise. Policy differences aside, Chapo's beef with liberals (and TWW) largely seems to be "that's not how politics works."

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:39 (three years ago) link

that the range of actual outcomes and expectations has shifted dramatically in 20 years does not necessarily make a depiction ridiculous or unrealistic. it does highlight that the current range of possible outcomes is radically changed, and to _continue_ to expect the effectiveness of those old strategies and practices as depicted would be dumb. but it does not mean you're woke as fuck to recognize that difference.

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:40 (three years ago) link

(srsly, i have never seen tww, i have a highly mediated experience on sorkin shit)

wishy washy hippy variety hour (Hunt3r), Friday, 21 April 2017 15:42 (three years ago) link

Listening To Both Sides is part of it, but also an overall deep respect for everything institutional and strong belief that the system works - so in the end the day can be saved by an inspirational speech.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 21 April 2017 15:48 (three years ago) link

I was out with a couple friends at a bar in a local college town a month or so back and ended up talking to this young woman who mentioned she was part of the group kind of scouting out whether this political science professor should run for congress. The conversation turned to television and she was strongly advocating Aaron Sorkin shows, first the West Wing. I kind of shrugged it off and said I wasn't a Sorkin fan, that I thought it was kind of an overblown view and government isn't really like that. She replied with, "Well, I like The Newsroom better!" (I ran away screaming)

so the whole thing with young people thinking the West Wing is inspirational and spurning their interest in government happens

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:17 (three years ago) link

from what I've gathered, the whole Newsroom shtick is even worse in that TWW did have monologues but was more debate-focused and the monologues tended to be political figures giving speeches so there's a hint of moderation

The Newsroom is worse in that it took real news events and gave the main character to didactically rant wisdom directly at the camera

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:22 (three years ago) link

xpost a lot of kids got into archery because of the Hunger Games too

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:26 (three years ago) link

Felix's Newsroom rant was hilarious, and until he said cunt it was pretty much word for word.

flappy bird, Friday, 21 April 2017 16:27 (three years ago) link

The Newsroom is indefensible

passionate plant-based athlete (voodoo chili), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:47 (three years ago) link

newsroom was always silly but although it only ended 3 years ago the protagonist being a moderate republican who is fiercely unpartisan in his role as news anchor seems beyond hilarious from our temporal vantage point

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:47 (three years ago) link

(this is the starting point of the show, with the conceit being that he becomes more hard-hitting and less bland after going viral having a rant at a public event)

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:55 (three years ago) link

didn't Sorkin do the same thing at a public Q&A a couple years ago? (berate a young woman)

flappy bird, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:14 (three years ago) link

Sorkin backtracking after sounding clueless was a highlight of the year so far:
http://variety.com/2017/scene/news/aaron-sorkin-diversity-hollywoods-writers-room-wgfestival-1202016729/

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:46 (three years ago) link

fwiw congrats to the chapo trap house podcast on getting me to pay them to listen to their sorkin skewering

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:48 (three years ago) link

i've never seen tww but i have had at least one friend say that he really wishes we could have whoever the president was in office right now

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:56 (three years ago) link

It was John Goodman

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 17:59 (three years ago) link

haha

btw the Luke Savage article they referenced is worthwhile: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/04/how-liberals-fell-in-love-with-the-west-wing

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

Six leading members of the cast, including Whitford, were even dispatched to Ohio to stump for Clinton (inexplicably failing to swing the crucial state in her favor).

jesus christ I thought it was bad enough they sent Lena Dunham to Des Moines, Iowa

a landlocked exclave (mh ๐Ÿ˜), Friday, 21 April 2017 18:30 (three years ago) link

DUNHAM/SCHUMER 2020

flappy bird, Friday, 21 April 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

jeff and chuck, of course

flappy bird, Friday, 21 April 2017 18:31 (three years ago) link

Part of the many fucked-up things about Right Now is that popular imagination is so very limited because you almost have this forced false dichotomy thanks to consecutive Admins who are culturally or aesthetically the direct opposite. I posted the Current Affairs piece on FB referenced and got comments about "what's the big deal about the show? I'd rather have them instead of this current bunch".

It connects to how it seems that what shocked so many people about Turnip et al. was from the extreme vulgarity and violation of the Establishment Beltway aesthetic norms, which is why Jared & Ivanka get their attention.

But the problem is that for many it seems that the vulgar aesthetics are the *only* problem. This creeps into the Acting Presidential Cosplay thing that Beltway types reward the current dope periodically from.

Because we're wired to react strongest to most tangible aesthetic bits, it's sucks that there's this stupid show both born from and completely reinforcing the obsession with centrist post-ideology lanyard professionalism. Yeah your decorum and discourse will be more polite and courtly, but a lot of people are still gunna fuckin' die.

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Friday, 21 April 2017 18:43 (three years ago) link

OTM about limited imagination. I've had so many conversations lately that are like "How can you even think about/complain about x... we've got Trump!" Anything not Trump becomes fine and there's no need to think about what the party should stand for.

I've noticed a bit of cult of personality developing around Chapo - people seeking their approval to like/support things almost, it will be interesting how they deal with that given their "this is a funny podcast not doing politics" argument from a couple of months ago.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 21 April 2017 23:28 (three years ago) link

https://twitter.com/liberalism_txt/status/855549006386278400

^i love deray and 'blm spokesperson is not No Logo (by Naomi Klein) enough for white leftists' is the corniest opinion imaginable but it is pretty funny when u put all these together, tho not as damning as the compiler thinks. he tweets like 10,00 times a day, maybe the guy is just really into,, fast food marketing? (the Subway tweets in particular will make ilxors LOL)

flopson, Friday, 21 April 2017 23:29 (three years ago) link

"This online petition is Chapo approved!

Xpost

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 21 April 2017 23:30 (three years ago) link

imo he's really into the neoliberal "support brands using political causes as marketing"
the other stuff is just uncritical "wow look at this crazy product" or "I like talking about products I use and they define me" which is very much the whole expression of identity through consumption thing that brands love

there's a passage in mark fisher's "capitalist realism" book (yeah I'm that corny fucker) where he rips apart the former in terms of bono and the product red stuff which is some obnoxious "capitalism is our only lens" shit

a landlocked exclave (mh), Saturday, 22 April 2017 00:52 (three years ago) link

oh c'mon he's so obviously a shill. i don't give a shit if you get money for twitter advertorials, but at least be transparent about it. there's no way deray is earnestly tweeting that much about very specific products and brands

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 01:08 (three years ago) link

What way is correct or satisfactory to be transparent about the claims you make?

we have no facts and we're voting no (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 April 2017 02:11 (three years ago) link

AD: Rainbow Doritos are a tasty way to support LGBT causes

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 02:21 (three years ago) link

I'm gonna side with the corny whitesplainers on this one. Can't see how it helps blm for one of their most prominent activists to become known as a comedy shill.

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 22 April 2017 09:59 (three years ago) link

Also, criticism from People Who Do Not Mean Well, that blm has been ginned up by a few opportunist self-promoters trying to make money- this kind of thing doesn't help anyone in combating that bullshit argument.

why labour 'foot problems' since 2015? (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 22 April 2017 10:05 (three years ago) link

Guys, this discussion is so nagl that it hurts. Just let him live his life, he is an anti-racism advocate, not an anti-capitalist one.

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 April 2017 10:36 (three years ago) link

Fwiw iirc the creators of the blm name can't stand deray bc of coopting the name for his own gain kinda stuff. I've read a few black activists as critical of him for being a craven opportunist and coattail rider.

nice cage (m bison), Saturday, 22 April 2017 13:29 (three years ago) link

not everyone has a new yorker editor as their dad

maura, Saturday, 22 April 2017 14:12 (three years ago) link

He is. He filed to run for mayor of Baltimore literally at the last hour, only campaigned outside the city, fundraised in Manhattan, and barely did anything here. I really resent him, I think he's an opportunistic hack most interested in promoting his own image and brand (the vest). A lot of people here feel the same way - go run for mayor as a publicity stunt in some other city, asshole.

I loved him at first - he was a great talking head (destroyed Wolf Blitzer two years ago), and im really bummed he's bought and paid for. Just because he's an anti-racism advocate doesn't mean he's immune to criticism.

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 14:15 (three years ago) link

OTM flappy. The worst part is that Deray keeps denying he's sponsored, which makes his whole brand smack of dishonesty.

https://storify.com/DeployBurners/is-deray-a-corporate-shill

Handsome Bookor, Saturday, 22 April 2017 14:41 (three years ago) link

There is absolutely no proof that Deray is sponsored, and loudly claiming otherwise smacks of racism.

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 April 2017 15:04 (three years ago) link

Frederik you're out of your depth. I live here. There's a lot of skepticism re Deray's motives, and it doesn't fall on racial lines. Also there is plenty of evidence that's been posted above.

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 April 2017 15:18 (three years ago) link

he is an anti-racism advocate, not an anti-capitalist one

this is an absurd statement

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 22 April 2017 15:19 (three years ago) link

Fred what you're doing is called trolling

El Tomboto, Saturday, 22 April 2017 15:26 (three years ago) link

I'm aware of the rifts and grudges in the blm-movement - iirc the 'founders' had to cancel an event in St Louis because everyone hates them so much there. And of course it's fine to criticize Deray - for instance his involvement with TFA since he tried to run on an education platform in Baltimore, and got a job there from the administration. But no, there is no evidence of sponsoring, and nothing that was posted above is evidence of sponsoring. And claiming otherwise really does smack of racism. He says he likes a bunch of brands, and while nobody has to agree, claiming that it makes him 'bought' is bullshit.

The irony is of course that we're having a discussion about this on a thread for a group of guys who takes thousands of dollars for making political podcasts that's basically just jokes about Aron Sorkin...

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 April 2017 16:02 (three years ago) link

lol @ comparing taking money from subscribers vs taking money from exploitative monstrous corporations

and come on Fred, I used to follow Deray but the endorsements were really over the top. suspecting that he could be a paid shill has absolutely fucking nothing to do with race, it has to do with actual things he tweets over and over and over

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 22 April 2017 16:13 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/771802394195668992/sdiSWCGC.jpg

โ€• Frederik B, Saturday, April 22, 2017 12:02 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 22 April 2017 16:24 (three years ago) link

Fred do you know it's a worse sin in parts of this country to shill for shit without getting a payout? Like I guess maybe he's building brand synergy and hoping Doritos shouts him out or genuinely thinks advertising consumption is chill, but those are lesser dumb looks

a landlocked exclave (mh), Saturday, 22 April 2017 16:31 (three years ago) link

It's like there's half of a post missing, mh. But from what I gather, I'm absolutely fine with what you're saying. If you look at his twitter and think there's too much bullshit in-between his activist tweets, that's fine - with 193.000 tweets and counting, there's a lot of bullshit. I too have unfollowed activists because they were unbearable otherwise. It doesn't really have anything to do with their activism, though. And claiming that he's paid to do it is bullshit.

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 April 2017 16:52 (three years ago) link

This thread

http://ecopreneurist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/no_brand_10a2.jpg

flopson, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:03 (three years ago) link

it's a extremely good and self-aware that a podcast by 3 white dudes who Made It Ok For White Leftists To Make Fun Of Social Justice Again that's never had a black woman on as a guest in over 100 episodes is getting ahead of the cart in ridiculing one of the most visible anti-racism activists in the country on some reheated AdBusters shit for tweeting about eating a sub

flopson, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:19 (three years ago) link

deray has been mentioned way more itt than he ever has on the podcast, maybe 2-3 tame remarks that I can recall?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:23 (three years ago) link

yes, it is... chapo... who is making it ok for white leftists to make fun of social justice again

https://twitter.com/MattMcGorry/status/755897856863592449

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:23 (three years ago) link

ty whiney for reminding us that there are better targets of opportunity

a landlocked exclave (mh), Saturday, 22 April 2017 19:21 (three years ago) link

I'm going to follow every statement I make from now on with "and claiming otherwise smacks of racism" thanks fred

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Saturday, 22 April 2017 21:27 (three years ago) link

Well, since you're American it's going to be true more often than not.

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 April 2017 22:55 (three years ago) link

oh fuck off already

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 22 April 2017 23:29 (three years ago) link

hey look it's the leftists getting along as usual

Gukbe, Saturday, 22 April 2017 23:39 (three years ago) link

fred I'm canadian, is it still probably racist if I tell you to eat shit

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 03:13 (three years ago) link

Bredrick F.

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 23 April 2017 04:48 (three years ago) link

ironically deray liked one of my tweets for the first time today lol

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 05:20 (three years ago) link

did you announce the creation of a new wells fargo account?

nice cage (m bison), Sunday, 23 April 2017 05:26 (three years ago) link

it was a tweet critical of bernie lol

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 05:29 (three years ago) link

and Fred, re: my earlier comment on deray as anti-racist but not anti-capitalist and the absurdity of that position, this says it better than I could

https://twitter.com/YesYoureRacist/status/855607570886774784

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 06:09 (three years ago) link

That's weird; why does ILX not auto-linkify a URL beginning with https?

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Sunday, 23 April 2017 06:29 (three years ago) link

I've noticed that - apparently not

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:00 (three years ago) link

You agree with that guy? That if black people aren't anti-capitalist enough, they should shut up about racism?

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:42 (three years ago) link

"To paraphrase Max Horkheimer, whoever is not prepared to talk about capitalism should also remain silent about racism"

This is shitty thing for a White anti-racist to say.

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:48 (three years ago) link

JFC Fredrik, no one should shut up about injustice, but it's completely fair to point out conflicts of interest where they plainly exist. Is this really that hard to grasp

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:52 (three years ago) link

Lol, I quoted the tweet you tried to link to. JFC indeed.

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:54 (three years ago) link

Frederik what's up with ovaltine being banned in Denmark

briscall stool chart (wins), Sunday, 23 April 2017 07:59 (three years ago) link

You're deliberately choosing the most obtuse interpretation of that quote and (I hope, for your own sake) you know it

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:01 (three years ago) link

(xp lol)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:01 (three years ago) link

Nah, it's a shitty tweet. At best poorly worded. But that's still giving the benefit of the doubt to the white tweeter with the black avatar telling black people how racism really works.

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:22 (three years ago) link

Yet you a Danish man is constantly telling us what we should think about racism.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:33 (three years ago) link

so is yr issue with the (ostensibly?) white tweeter or the original quote from a pioneering black civil rights activist, Fred

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:37 (three years ago) link

I was wondering how long this would go before someone asked if Fred knew who Stokely Carmichael was.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Sunday, 23 April 2017 08:57 (three years ago) link

That quote is not from Carmichael

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 April 2017 09:00 (three years ago) link

Are you reading the same tweet?? The tweet Simon linked consists entirely of a famous quote from Carmichael that begins "If a white man wants to lynch me..."

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 23 April 2017 11:23 (three years ago) link

He's reading the yes you're racist guy's reply to himself just underneath

briscall stool chart (wins), Sunday, 23 April 2017 11:24 (three years ago) link

Ah, OK.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Sunday, 23 April 2017 11:26 (three years ago) link

lol yeah I don't give a shit about the tweeter and didn't even see that, I cared about the original tweet's quote vs fred's "anti racist not anti capitalist" sentiment. And now I hate myself for dragging this on this long

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 April 2017 16:41 (three years ago) link

so uh anyway the rob delaney segment was surprisingly OK but the closing song was really just the worst thing they've ever done

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 24 April 2017 06:39 (three years ago) link

Delaney is so grating, his whole style really irritates me. Hard to describe but reminded me of a discussion on Cum Town about a certain type of comedy that was super prevalent in like 2008, the example was this: "I was carrying around and eating two different kinds of ice cream cones...as you do."

flappy bird, Monday, 24 April 2017 16:35 (three years ago) link

lmao

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 16:49 (three years ago) link

i rewatched the opening scene of the newsroom last night and god it was even more painful than i remembered.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:22 (three years ago) link

xp http://www.metatube.com/en/videos/172571/Jimmy-Kimmel-show-Rob-Delaney-Performs/

just swap ice cream cones for tacos basically. floored by a wave of embarrassment every time i remember this.

devvvine, Monday, 24 April 2017 17:30 (three years ago) link

haven't seen his standup but Catastrophe is great

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 24 April 2017 17:30 (three years ago) link

You guys know Chapo's boy Brandon Wardell is probably gonna be the next mostly talentless Twitter White to somehow be allowed to do mainstream TV things if he hasn't already

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:05 (three years ago) link

i dont think any of them like Brandon except Felix, at least that was the sense I got from the one episode he appeared on. Cum Town boys equally suspicious

flappy bird, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:22 (three years ago) link

ocelot to his big boss

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:27 (three years ago) link

You guys know Chapo's boy Brandon Wardell is probably gonna be the next mostly talentless Twitter White to somehow be allowed to do mainstream TV things if he hasn't already

โ€• Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, April 24, 2017 11:05 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he was on @midnight like a year ago

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:27 (three years ago) link

one of Cum Town's better running lols is how they drag Wardell at every opportunity. but they do seem to be 'friends'. idk.

re Delaney - anyone with that level of clout actively and loudly backing DSA is good w me.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:29 (three years ago) link

Brandon Wardell and Nick Mullen are friends (God I need to use twitter less)

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:41 (three years ago) link

what does "friends" mean, like they hang out or are pen pals or what?

2017's so confusing, are you guys my friends? is mr. chapo?

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:43 (three years ago) link

they're friends but they make fun of him a lot, i think in the most recent cum town mullen was like "oh yeah, as if Brandon has never taken a long hard look into a front facing camera."

flappy bird, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:47 (three years ago) link

p sure Friedland and Wardell have done shows together. he's been on the pod twice(?). i just think they (partic Nick) like to razz him.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:48 (three years ago) link

xpost

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:48 (three years ago) link

the Chapo ep with Wardell was excruciating

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:49 (three years ago) link

he was basically a non-entity on the CT shows. not sure what his deal is. he's popular with teens or something?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:52 (three years ago) link

he is a stand up comic and aux cord dj who has lots of viral tweets. including most notably popularizing dicks out for harambe.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:55 (three years ago) link

and yes his popularity is mainly with young folks (he is 24 or something)

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 April 2017 18:56 (three years ago) link

when the chapo guys talk about cultural signposts and what ages they were when things happened, I feel like Morbs

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:16 (three years ago) link

i think only felix does that for me as he's 26 or something and I'm roughly the same age as will, and matt is a few years older than me.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:17 (three years ago) link

yeah idk how old the rest are, but with me at 35 (for the moment) felix seems young

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:19 (three years ago) link

who has lots of viral tweets. including most notably popularizing dicks out for harambe.

well that's everything I needed to know about him

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:27 (three years ago) link

This ep with Rob Delaney is rough going, just got to the part where he talks about the NHS and his attitude toward Democrats and it picked up a bit.

Hey Chapo guys, maybe just let guests lead the conversation instead of shoehorning them into your bits?

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:28 (three years ago) link

the healthcare dude was the only one I've heard where they mostly sat and listened

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:32 (three years ago) link

Come on, they have to show the guest comics how funny they are.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:37 (three years ago) link

Delaney is the type of person that uses the term "dumpster fire" frequently and sincerely.

flappy bird, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:44 (three years ago) link

the healthcare dude was the only one I've heard where they mostly sat and listened

Adam Curtis too, iirc

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Monday, 24 April 2017 19:50 (three years ago) link

have yet to hear that one, I want to actually pay attention so I've held off

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 24 April 2017 20:13 (three years ago) link

i thought Adam Curtis came across as a dreadful tosser in that interview - lots of do you see explaining obvious stuff and not much new insight delivered with a great deal of pomposity? maybe it's just the english cringe on my part. i've got a load of these backed up on my podcast list and am trying to work out whether i just fuck it, and delete them or listen to them. the tone's pretty erratic as people have said.

Fizzles, Monday, 1 May 2017 13:37 (three years ago) link

It was rich listening them make fun of Marc Maron's podcasting tics when 50% of the live show was made up of "Family court...stolen valor...family court"

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 1 May 2017 17:09 (three years ago) link

the harvard bracket ep was fun. i was a little disappointed this joke didn't get made:

No results found for "chappaquiddick trap house".

โ€• how's life, Friday, January 13, 2017 2:40 PM (three months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

goole, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:12 (three years ago) link

i've discovered Cum Town and it's better tbqfh

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:14 (three years ago) link

idk those dudes creep me out. i gave it a couple listens and there was like 1 solid laugh to every three uses of "retard" or w/e

goole, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:16 (three years ago) link

it's an acquired taste, cum town

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:16 (three years ago) link

yeah........

like, i sent a close female friend of mine (big bernie fan, loves matt stoller, very committed and constantly furious politically, keeps her eye on NY district court for wall street cases etc) that nymag story about pisspiggranddad in syria, like, "lol isn't this nuts???" and she in all seriousness replied, "i don't want you to ever send me stories about men like this."

so yeah this whole style does have its limits

goole, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:25 (three years ago) link

that makes sense. at its best, Cum Town reminds me of 90s-00s Howard Stern, and the Stern show will always be a non-starter for many, many people.

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:27 (three years ago) link

I don't know if it's just me but I really hate "live show" versions of podcasts.

ryan, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:39 (three years ago) link

There's a live music venue in my neighborhood where acts like Vince Gill and Pat Metheny and a million tribute bands usually play. I looked at the upcoming events recently and nearly every week there's a live show for a podcast scheduled.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 1 May 2017 17:47 (three years ago) link

yeah i hate that shit, besides missing the visual element, they're just shallower and not as funny.

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 17:51 (three years ago) link

lots of podcasts don't seem to get that rapport between 3 people โ‰  rapport between 3 people and a packed room watching them. at least the chapo ones don't tend to involve the audience, i had to stop listening to mbmbam live shows bc i got sick of the audience members' constant attempts at being funny/impressing the hosts.

oiocha, Monday, 1 May 2017 18:09 (three years ago) link

virgil texas retweeted me and holy shit it's almost scary how popular they are on twitter, my tweet has almost 1000 likes and 300 retweets

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 1 May 2017 18:58 (three years ago) link

they were all really popular on twitter before the show even started. i wasn't aware of them until after the election but some friends of mine knew virgil from several years ago

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:00 (three years ago) link

live podcast shows are fun to go to but not to listen to imo

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:05 (three years ago) link

love my dry boys but all the live show chapo eps are absolutely excruciating โ€“ plus the fact that they're so good at ragging on Theranos/Peter Theil et al but seem to have no self-awareness about doing them at Genius HQ is annoying

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:15 (three years ago) link

the thing that bugs me the most is when they devolve into boring & lame nerd/fanboy nonsense (simpsons, kubrick, coen bros) after rightfully ragging on people constantly invoking harry potter and 1984.

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:35 (three years ago) link

the only live show i've heard of theirs is the harvard bracket ep and i thought it was fine!

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:36 (three years ago) link

i like when that guy heckled Will for saying Obama was absolutely useless and horrible

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 19:37 (three years ago) link

What's hilarious to me is Matt's voice and cadence is exactly like King Buzzo's

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:39 (three years ago) link

btw can someone fill me in on why they're called 'dry boys'

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:44 (three years ago) link

some kind of MRA joke i think

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 1 May 2017 19:47 (three years ago) link

'dry boys' is the new 'master of my domain'

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Monday, 1 May 2017 20:39 (three years ago) link

I'd assume it's an insult for non sex-havers

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 1 May 2017 20:40 (three years ago) link

see also: dry-dick randos

a landlocked exclave (mh), Monday, 1 May 2017 20:41 (three years ago) link

in the chapo canon it's cool to not have sex as long as one is doing so voluntarily

-_- (jim in vancouver), Monday, 1 May 2017 20:41 (three years ago) link

Volcel vs incel, as it were

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Monday, 1 May 2017 20:45 (three years ago) link

live podcast shows are fun to go to but not to listen to imo

yeah this seems right (having never done the former, can't imagine I ever actually would tbh)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 1 May 2017 21:03 (three years ago) link

dry boys don't just not have sex, they keep all of their seed to maintain their essence. i think it's some reddit nofap nonsense

why ruin a good tradition? (Will M.), Monday, 1 May 2017 21:29 (three years ago) link

my favorite use of the -cel thing is this brutal felix tweet from february:

"hoverhanding incels have always run this nation"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C46GepmXAAA7LMS.jpg

flappy bird, Monday, 1 May 2017 21:31 (three years ago) link

i like when that guy heckled Will for saying Obama was absolutely useless and horrible

In the Harvard one? I was quite surprised by there being even bigger outrage amongst the audience when the Kennedys were brought up.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 2 May 2017 08:00 (three years ago) link

Here's an interview they did in Boston with a reporter of the Harvard Crimson that the editors decided not to run.

https://medium.com/@matthewjwatson/the-dirtbag-left-at-harvard-an-interview-with-chapo-trap-house-e5fca62780dc

Kid just starts asking them about Neoliberalism and Harvard's place in it, which seem like a good, localized way of drawing in people.

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 18:20 (three years ago) link

I've purged all of these guys and their fellow travelers from my life and Twitter feed and I'm much happier for it. More power to 'em but I just can't maintain that level of jaundice and make it through the day.

evol j, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:28 (three years ago) link

Ive only been listening for a couple weeks but this new ep is trash. Its neither funny nor interesting.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:43 (three years ago) link

you should listen to cum town

flappy bird, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:45 (three years ago) link

Or the Katie Halper Show

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 3 May 2017 22:42 (three years ago) link

the harvard interview is p good, the Shining ep was bad (I did like the live Harvard ep though - much better / more novel gimmick)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 01:56 (three years ago) link

in terms of less histrionic Chapo alternatives, Dead Pundits isn't bad, though I find the host a bit irritating. Their recent ep with Angela Nagle was really good and covered some different ground from her Chapo ep.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:16 (three years ago) link

Their site finally went live:

https://thetrap.fm/

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:33 (three years ago) link

I'm glad it's not a tricked-out Outline Magazine-style Web 17.0 monstrosity

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:37 (three years ago) link

why would you want a less histrionic Chapo

Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 4 May 2017 02:45 (three years ago) link

new premium episode is great, classic drive by of douthat, brooks, and stephens

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 May 2017 05:37 (three years ago) link

Halper good, as is Delete Your Account, but both are more serious bizniz politics than Chapo.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 4 May 2017 09:02 (three years ago) link

why would you want a less histrionic Chapo

I mean, *I* don'yy, but I can imagine it could grow wearying for some.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 10:45 (three years ago) link

I'm trying to winnow my political podcasts down, so maybe I can unsub Chapo and just yell "fuck you" every now and then while listening to the Weeds for the same effect

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 4 May 2017 12:50 (three years ago) link

new premium ep was their best in a while, also might include the first time they've ever seriously responded to criticism?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 May 2017 12:54 (three years ago) link

A left podcast I've been getting into recently is The Dig with Daniel Denvir. Most recent ep with media critic Adam Johnson is excellent as was the one with Mark Blyth.

It's definitely on the more serious and less dirty end of the dirtbag left.

god i hate that fucking name. it sounds like a festival tent for teenagers

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 May 2017 15:22 (three years ago) link

The Dig?

I think it just sounds a bit generic. Could be many things.

god i hate that fucking name. it sounds like a festival tent for teenagers

โ€• flappy bird, Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:22 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you listen to the podcasts chapo trap house and cum town

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 4 May 2017 15:50 (three years ago) link

clean shot

gnaw on my meat oreo (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 4 May 2017 15:51 (three years ago) link

no i was referring to "the dirtbag left." i don't mind silly podcast names, but silly names for political movements? nahhh. i don't think it's really accurate, either. how are they dirtbags? it's just lazy. oh well they came up with it.

flappy bird, Thursday, 4 May 2017 17:08 (three years ago) link

felix sounds like a total dirtbag tbh

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 4 May 2017 17:12 (three years ago) link

these podcasts make me think every socialist is a lispy east coaster

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 4 May 2017 17:53 (three years ago) link

dirtbag left feels very apropos to this socialist girl who has spent more time yelling at David Brooks than washing her hair this week

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 5 May 2017 12:46 (three years ago) link

Def agree on the live episodes being excruciating as podcasts. The "most evil people from Harvard" episode was like a bad "intellectual" party game drawn out for way too long.

i thought the harvard episode was fine, the most recent one with the shining stuff was execrable in the main imo

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 May 2017 16:48 (three years ago) link

haven't listened to yesterday's episode yet but from description it's a series of reading series (lol) bits from times op-eds which is extremely my shit as far as chapo goes

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 May 2017 16:50 (three years ago) link

I've really been enjoying seeing a generation of people turn on the NYTimes opned page. It was practically holy in my house and I only started to question it in my 20s.

was it ever good?

flopson, Friday, 5 May 2017 17:37 (three years ago) link

No. But I think the internet throws into sharper relief how arbitrary (in terms of talent, though not politically) who gets these lucrative op ed gigs.

i was almost glad that douthat did the pro le pen op-ed because i knew chapo were going to cover it

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:43 (three years ago) link

but i was also a bit disappointed in our boy ross

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 5 May 2017 17:44 (three years ago) link

The David Brooks twist was nice.

I liked their almost empathetic take on the rod dreher profile

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 5 May 2017 19:10 (three years ago) link

Would it be worth it to have a thread on political podcasts? I consume a lot of them, and want a place to share good stuff

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:38 (three years ago) link

I think this is a p good thread to do that in but follow yr heart

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 5 May 2017 20:40 (three years ago) link

During the Harvard ep I kept thinking "there's a decent chance one of their targets' kids or grandkids is in the audience."

One hopes

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:07 (three years ago) link

"A Better Way to Cook: Rolling 2017 Political Podcast Thread"

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:08 (three years ago) link

I guess thats all podcasts in general tho..

subthought: imagine being in the marketing enforcement dept at blue apron and having to listen to thousands of shitty podcasters read your copy for compliance

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:09 (three years ago) link

anybody fuck with street fight? it's pretty unfocused and meandering and goofy but I dig it. it's sort of my go to when I'm all caught up on my main 4-5 pods. love those dudes' voices.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:26 (three years ago) link

Yeah I listen to it, like you mostly as a backup but they're likeabke guys who occasionally have truly great moments.

yeah loved the shit out of the Mike Rowe so.

I've known a lot of (southern-fried) "lonnie's" in my day

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:31 (three years ago) link

*Mike Rowe ep

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 00:31 (three years ago) link

None of the Street Fight eps caught my eye when I added them to Pocket Casts a few months ago but I'm always down for someone bashing Rowe. Fuck that guy.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 6 May 2017 01:13 (three years ago) link

I feel like there was a good episode of Street Fight about shoplifting and "self-check" cashiers. They're really in their wheelhouse when they talk stuff like that.

I'd love some specific ep # recommendations for them cause their output is insane

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 May 2017 01:37 (three years ago) link

man wish I could help on that front but I just kinda drop in here and there when I'm taking the dog and/ or my one-hitter for a walk.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 02:33 (three years ago) link

No. But I think the internet throws into sharper relief how arbitrary (in terms of talent, though not politically) who gets these lucrative op ed gigs.

This is going to shock the younger people in the room, but there was a time, what, 15, 20 years ago? when brooks was actually a very good writer and sharp observer. having to scratch his chin and dribble out 800 words several times a week instead of writing long reported pieces totally destroyed him.

his books were probably never good but i've never read any of them so i'm not sure.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 6 May 2017 02:37 (three years ago) link

that saucy young evangelical bride probably zapped his essence

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 02:43 (three years ago) link

I read Bobos many years ago and it's dumb as hell but he didn't exactly come off as the humorless priggish concern troll he's been since the black guy got elected

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 6 May 2017 02:45 (three years ago) link

Started "Mike Rowe Makes You Want To Sweat" on Street Fight while walking around for a bit, it's a nice change of pace from Chapo - they're more relatable as just broke flyover dudes vs. the NY media people.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Saturday, 6 May 2017 03:06 (three years ago) link

Good interview with Liza Featherstone:


Listening to The Dig (Liza Featherstone on the Fight Against Lean-In Feminism)

The Womenโ€™s March on Washington sent a clear message that women would be at the lead in battling the right in the years to come. But it left unresolved significant divides that pervaded the 2016 primary campaign, as the many signs paying homage to Hillary Clinton made clear. Featherstone throws down Clinton's faux feminism, the Women's Strike, Bill de Blasio and more.

https://www.blubrry.com/thedig/23474820/liza-featherstone-on-the-fight-against-lean-in-feminism/

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Wednesday, 10 May 2017 19:42 (three years ago) link

felix is on the latest episode of a video game podcast called no cartridge talking about the metal gear solid series.

it's pretty hilarious that felix is never more passionate about a subject on any podcast I've heard him on than when he's talking about MGS, Les Miserables the musical, and, in a distant third, the GCC countries.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 12 May 2017 20:57 (three years ago) link

the Les Mis thing is one of my favorite episodes!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:08 (three years ago) link

i listened to it twice, which i don't think I've done for any other episode.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:09 (three years ago) link

I wish they'd do more episodes and weird one-offs in praise of things tbh

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:14 (three years ago) link

yeah i mean matt christman sounded quite well into his beers and extra supine when he was talking about the german 1848 revolutionary who fought for the union army in the civil war - can't remember the name - but it was also a nice change of pace.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:26 (three years ago) link

Coen Bros, The Simpsons, Metal Gear Solid... do they like anything else

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 21:26 (three years ago) link

Will and Felix continue to have the most fucked up mispronunciations of certain words

flappy bird, Friday, 12 May 2017 21:28 (three years ago) link

xp - Will seems to be into Adam Curtis and proto-punk

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:33 (three years ago) link

Coen Bros, The Simpsons, Metal Gear Solid... do they like anything else

โ€• flappy bird, Friday, May 12, 2017 2:26 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

scorsese

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:38 (three years ago) link

seagal

cake boss

haha

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:39 (three years ago) link

Christman likes... nothing.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:41 (three years ago) link

civil war and marx

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:42 (three years ago) link

Amber - weed and guys who like their healthcare expert (or at least did in high school)

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Friday, 12 May 2017 21:44 (three years ago) link

I read Bobos many years ago and it's dumb as hell but he didn't exactly come off as the humorless priggish concern troll he's been since the black guy got elected

โ€• constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, May 5, 2017 9:45 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I never read bobos but I remember reading reviews of it and maybe excerpts or columns adapted from it or something. At the time I was much younger and less savvy, but it did seem to me like he had identified a significant politico-cultural phenomenon that still has implications today. I don't know to what extent other critics were identifying the same phenomenon at the time/to what extent it was original.

Les Miz, christ, how awful

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2017 00:18 (three years ago) link

new ep w/ Libby Watson is quite satisfying, esp the shame roll call of anti-Chelsea Manning pundits

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 20 May 2017 21:15 (three years ago) link

No Matt on this one, which is a problem because I tend to think he's the real reason the show often feels fresh and revelatory. Without him the show tends to feel like just what it's detractors imagine it is (sometimes).

ryan, Saturday, 20 May 2017 22:59 (three years ago) link

i feel you on that but i think amber and felix have great chemistry when they're riffing like in this episode (and i say that as someone who usually finds felix kind of tiring).

oiocha, Sunday, 21 May 2017 01:44 (three years ago) link

yeah this was one of amber's best eps, she may have not been out of her gourd for once lol

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 21 May 2017 02:31 (three years ago) link

I wish Amber's other podcast wasn't with Sam Kriss (who's pretty much unreadable and unlistenable to me) - usually feel like she's the most on the ball Chapo or at least less enamored with Twitter humor.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Sunday, 21 May 2017 08:07 (three years ago) link

China Mieville interview didn't make me want to read his book on the Russian revolution any more (and I'm a fan); I can understand a leftist backlash to characterising that period as entirely evil and catastrophic but seeing Lenin as flawed but admirable is kinda where I draw the line. Lots of cool imagery though.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 08:59 (three years ago) link

Loving the Newsroom episode.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 19:14 (three years ago) link

as a relatively early pioneer of online sorkin hatred I have found these eps extremely saitsfying

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 21:32 (three years ago) link

Not as down on the West Wing as they are (the benefits of not watching it since it was on air) but I could only make it to the end of Jeff Daniels' stupid speech in the pilot. Sounds like it managed to get even worse, I almost want to hate watch it to see him cockblock himself repeatedly.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Wednesday, 24 May 2017 21:36 (three years ago) link

so felix's bio on wapo says he is a "mindset expert," is that dirtbag slang, a chapo in-joke, or like an actual popular culture/occupational role?https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/25/face-it-the-body-slammed-reporter-did-just-what-you-would-have-done/?utm_term=.c55f4459aef8#comments

we have no facts and we're voting no (Hunt3r), Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:16 (three years ago) link

talkin' bout that gorilla mindset

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:17 (three years ago) link

so is felix gonna be a wapo contributor or is this a one off?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:18 (three years ago) link

so felix's bio on wapo says he is a "mindset expert," is that dirtbag slang, a chapo in-joke, or like an actual popular culture/occupational role?https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/25/face-it-the-body-slammed-reporter-did-just-what-you-would-have-done/?utm_term=.c55f4459aef8#comments

โ€• we have no facts and we're voting no (Hunt3r), Thursday, May 25, 2017 12:16 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is a chapo in-joke. mike cernovich calls himself "america's leading mindset expert"

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:18 (three years ago) link

ha, i had googled it, and found cernovich near the top and figured it was in-joke tbh.

we have no facts and we're voting no (Hunt3r), Thursday, 25 May 2017 19:35 (three years ago) link

Gorilla Mindset

flappy bird, Thursday, 25 May 2017 20:10 (three years ago) link

Haha, and goole said in other thread, please read the comments on that one

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 25 May 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

david cross, hmmm :/

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 25 May 2017 23:05 (three years ago) link

I liked this piece from Amber

https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/all-worked-up-nowhere-to-go-frost

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 01:20 (three years ago) link

they're on a roll this week, bonus free episode yesterday about the UK election and a premium episode today about Texas congressional politics and pathologies.

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:16 (three years ago) link

uk election episode was an okay primer apart from will's slightly jarring enthusiasm for the ira, which i imagine sounds distinctly different to listeners on this side of the atlantic

the previous free episode with the rankings of conservative publications was fun but i wish they'd structured it a bit differently than having will just read chunks of the author's own article back at him

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 June 2017 10:44 (three years ago) link

Might skip this one, not sure I like the idea of Chapo taking UK politics seriously.

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:53 (three years ago) link

what happened with Cross? i received a first-hand interviewer account a few years ago that suggested he's a rather nutty person.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:58 (three years ago) link

nothing really, their celeb interview/guest episodes are just consistently not that interesting

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:59 (three years ago) link

The Cross episode was kind of fun because he objected to the premise of about 90% of their twitter boi jokes

President Keyes, Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:52 (three years ago) link

I dug this:

Listening to Champagne Sharks (CS 004: Bill Maher and Civility Rights)

This week I discuss Bill Maher using the word nigger, the impotence of black public intellectuals, and the concept of Civility Rights.

Articles discussed include "What Are The Drums Saying, Booker?"
Book discussed briefly is The Image by Daniel Boorstin.

Become a premium subscriber to get free bonus episodes every week by going to http://www.patreon.com/champagnesharks.

Review and rate the podcast in Itunes:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/champagne-sharks/id1242690393?mt=2

https://www.blubrry.com/champagnesharks/24313001/cs-004-bill-maher-and-civility-rights/

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:11 (three years ago) link

the previous free episode with the rankings of conservative publications was fun but i wish they'd structured it a bit differently than having will just read chunks of the author's own article back at him

โ€• alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:44 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^this was kinda weird

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:19 (three years ago) link

I've been enjoying Champagne Sharks though he could use an editor - the Hamilton one really didn't need to be a full 2 hrs

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:23 (three years ago) link

yeah Will is being such an edgelord saying it's "great" that Corbyn likes the IRA and Hamas.

flappy bird, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:05 (three years ago) link

SIGNED SOME DIRTBAGS AND FEELIN REAL GOOD ABOUT IT!! Welcome to the Touchstone squad @CHAPOTRAPHOUSE. pic.twitter.com/zL2TX4F3NO

— Touchstone Books (@TouchstoneBooks) June 8, 2017

the ghost of markers, Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:36 (three years ago) link

'socialism meets jackass' eh

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:41 (three years ago) link

seems like somebody has gone #corporate

black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:45 (three years ago) link

Enh, blame the marketing folks

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:50 (three years ago) link

lame

adam, Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:53 (three years ago) link

that champagne sharks thing is great, thanks for posting it

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:54 (three years ago) link

Chapo should book declared Hollywood-London socialist Angela Lansbury

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:55 (three years ago) link

i stand with morbs

alcohol aficionado zane lamprey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 June 2017 20:57 (three years ago) link

book deal the least surprising thing in the world

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 21:21 (three years ago) link

the concept of Civility Rights

thought this was really cool. the idea that branding oneself as polite/not rude being more important than the content of what you are saying/doing? he ties it into a lot of current things but is not super serious about it, just exploring different perspectives on these topics.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 June 2017 21:49 (three years ago) link

seems like somebody has gone #corporate

โ€• black covfefe in bed (voodoo chili), Thursday, June 8, 2017 9:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously looking forward to these guys getting hired for corporate gigs, ted talks. Gotta embrace the orb

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 9 June 2017 10:49 (three years ago) link

their post-uk-election euphoria on today's episode is fun

it's nice to hear them jubilant about...anything, really

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 15:45 (three years ago) link

mind you if i never hear them attempt an ulster accent ever again it'll be too soon

it's amazing to me that Matt can go off on these incredible & engaging monologues about leftism and existentialism, and then reverts to idiotic jokes about Tesco. it's just fucking 7/11 with a different name. whenever they do British accents or make fun of British stuff they sound like the typical and contemptible "LOL bacon" people that they love eviscerating themselves.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:53 (three years ago) link

also I've started listening to Cum Town way more religiously than Chapo. realizing they're just incredibly insufferable nerds ~40% of the time.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 16:54 (three years ago) link

tesco is not comparable to 7/11 mate

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:01 (three years ago) link

more like 9/11 amirite tesco shareholders

i mean, we could have a poll, Tesco vs. 7/11, but they're both just convenience stores. it was embarrassing hearing Matt ask Jonathan Shainin what Tesco was like, as if it were Oz or something. again, "LOL bacon" level humor.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:24 (three years ago) link

tesco is a supermarket chain that has smaller branches called tesco metros. theses are definitely much more in the grocery store vein than 7/11s which are really corner stores and are for carbonated drinks, taquitos, freezies, cigarettes and scratch cards rather than like fruit and vegetables, things to make a meal from

-_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:27 (three years ago) link

ok so it's analogous to Wawa or Sheetz here in the States. last time I went to a Tesco was in Dublin a few months ago and it was an express one iirc. self-checkout and all that

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:31 (three years ago) link

Ya when I was in a state of total despair at UK politics it was oddly comforting that these dudes just saw it as a half legendary faerie island inhabited by victorian Cockney elves. Could get grating in differeNT circs

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:33 (three years ago) link

it struck me as the type of masturbatory nerd fantasy that they eviscerate other people for constantly. i'm surprised that Matt has never been to the UK.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 17:35 (three years ago) link

Never visiting uk probably crucial to maintaining an interest in its culture politics and society tbh

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 18:41 (three years ago) link

Wait, he said he lived there for 6 months, didn't he?

Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:00 (three years ago) link

He briefly mentions being in NI this episode.

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:43 (three years ago) link

it struck me as the type of masturbatory nerd fantasy that they eviscerate other people for constantly. i'm surprised that Matt has never been to the UK.

It's a running joke - not a funny one - how is that similar to the "Hillary is Dumbledore" shit they make fun of?

El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 13 June 2017 19:55 (three years ago) link

they're both not funny

flappy bird, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 21:14 (three years ago) link

it's amazing to me that Matt can go off on these incredible & engaging monologues about leftism and existentialism, and then reverts to idiotic jokes about Tesco. it's just fucking 7/11 with a different name. whenever they do British accents or make fun of British stuff they sound like the typical and contemptible "LOL bacon" people that they love eviscerating themselves.

โ€• flappy bird, Tuesday, June 13, 2017 11:53 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^this

tho i was wondering about this -- a friend of mine who is also otherwise very thoughtful, makes fun of HP, is a chapo listener, etc, will occasionally go into "bad accent lord von swaddlebottom" type humor and it occurred to that if want to do some jokes about the UK (or the southern US or wherever) and part of doing the joke properly is getting the accent right, and you can't do that, then better to just go straight into cartoon comedy mode

gbx, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:42 (three years ago) link

"better" = easiest

gbx, Tuesday, 13 June 2017 22:42 (three years ago)