Search: "Whatever" -- after that, flip a coin and see how I feel.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
Hate's such a strong word. A good song here or there, but def. over-rated.
You idiots wouldn't good music if it bit you in the arse. They are overall THE major influence for the music you listen to today. Get Metal Circus, New Day Rising, and Zen Arcade. BTW they are behind REM for top college albums in the 80's
This is supposed to be convincing? They're just "behind REM?" Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mark, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
Uh, what?
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
Haha, they had a gay singer too!
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
but do i like their music?
not really.m.
― msp, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
Not private enough, haha!
I'm just mentioning that they're gay, Brad, not saying anything homophobic. I'm gay myself, actually. Just having a bit of fun.
btw, Henry Rollins isn't really gay, but he should be.
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
Other threads of note for your to Dü:Husker Du : Classic or Dud, Search and Destroy.Husker Du DreamsPOO! Husker DuBob Mould: Classic or Dud?reoccurring dreams vs dreams reoccurring vs no dream reoccurring
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
To paraphrase Run-DMC, "not gay as in bad but gay as in good!"
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
Good thing I didn't bring up the "Two Fat Fags and a Guy with a Moustache" parody.
I swear I'm not homophobic, I just like to laugh a lot (preferably out loud).
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
Funny thing was, the guy with the moustache was the gayest looking one!
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ain't that the truth! Wonder what happened to that guy, anyway.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
This is just thinking out loud, but isn't just about every band overrated?
― Juan (Juan), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
their singles were pretty great, search: "makes no sense at all", "eight miles high", "could you be the one?"...
"no reservations" is the only song i like off of Warehouse.
― gygax!, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
No, some are severely under-rated. Like Antman.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Grown men to tears.
― Mike (mratford), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link
you know what, i'd probably like a few more if i gave it another shot, it's been a long time.
― gygax!, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mike (mratford), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 21:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
anyone interesting in attempting actual interesting and/or useful content in re: HD = main i-word on pixies = main i-word on nirvana?
or is it just "sounds quite like" as per usual?
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― angelo (angelo), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
I quite like to. maybe tomorrow (this is a good direction for this thread to go to otherwise you might as well delete it).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― kenny nielsen, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'd rather make stupid comments about their moustaches and sexuality.
― Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
[/jockist]
I think the Huskers/Pixies comp. comes from the story (perhaps myth) that Kim Deal responded to Charles Michael Kitteredge Thompson IV's want ad looking for musicians wanting to sound like "Husker Du crossed with Peter, Paul and Mary" more than anything else.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
though actually i quite like the idea that "influence" in fact largely refers to whoever was mentioned in the original ad!!
"we are 'influenced' by the people we felt constrained to tell one another we wanted to sound like, before we actually met and found out what we could and couldn't manage, musically"
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
I'd rather read about gay men with moustaches. Y'know, like police fiction or something.
Okay, time to leave work.
― hstencil, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― brad, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 22:59 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:02 (twenty-one years ago) link
― strapped, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― strapped, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 23:43 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 01:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Xibalba (xibalba), Wednesday, 20 November 2002 02:48 (twenty-one years ago) link
Where Zen Arcade threatens to veer off the road at any second, New Day Rising never strays an inch off course. Like a longer, happier, yet more raging Metal Circus...I see this album as being the fulcrum for all that came before and all that would come after in their recorded output. Featuring their most consistently catchy songwriting, as well as incredibly pointed production, the band is perfectly in control no matter how noisy they get. Before New Day Rising, the band was never this focused. From this point on, the songs would slowly get quieter (I miss Spot) and weaker until the band faded away.
Despite the fun of Everything Falls Apart, and the bewildering thrash of Land Speed Record...the band's early work was nothing too special (although personally I prefer Rhino's re-release of Everything Falls Apart (and more) to their other releases). Also, although there were hints of this in Flip Your Wig, their move to a major label had an effect on their music akin to a scary drunk sobering up. While there are still some bright moments, overall I find this work embarrasing.
Still, their core output from 1983-1985 paved the way for a new breed of American rock music, including the Replacements, the Pixies (note Frank Black's propensity to (ab)use his voice for drama and noise within the context of a Pop structure), etc. Nirvana started out sounding more like the Melvins, but took elements from other Northwest rock groups (Green River/Mudhoney), whose regional styles were often depressive introspective and/or flippant sexual take-offs of the earnest catharsis that bands like Husker Du immersed themselves in. So while the lineage may not be direct, Nirvana might not have sounded the way they did without Husker Du. The book "Route 666: On the Road to Nirvana" does a good job of looking at these issues.
So overall, and especially in the context of what was going on around them musically, Husker Du are a classic in my book. Though I would be willing to consider the possibility that their existance was happenstance, and oweing to a fated zeitgeist more than individual inspiration/ability...
Something similar could be said of most of those profiled in Azzerad's book, "Our Band Could Be Your Life."
― Ryan McKay, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 03:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
Eight Miles HighIn a Free LandEverything Falls ApartDianeSomething I Learned Today The Girl Who Lives on Heaven HillGreen EyesBroken Home, Broken HeartBooks About UFOsWhat's Going On?Don't Want to Know If You Are LonelyMonday Will Never Be the SameWhateverGamesOne Step at a TimePink Turns to BlueNew Day RisingThe Biggest LieTerms of Psychic WarfareChartered TripsThese Important YearsCelebrated SummerDivide and ConquerYou Can Live at Home
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:23 (twenty-one years ago) link
I really do think if they didn't look like truck drivers, there would be no question about their place in the canon.
― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 20 November 2002 05:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
thanks for the bump i'm listening to Flip Your Wig now
― flappy bird, Monday, 3 July 2017 04:04 (six years ago) link
Numero was previewing Everything Fall Apart remaster on Spotify.
― Mungolian Jerryset (bendy), Monday, 3 July 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link
i hope I'm not reading anything between the lines of that concert post.
― pplains, Monday, 3 July 2017 05:23 (six years ago) link
Not super helpful wrt dates but looks like they might be getting a proper overview.
http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2017/06/12/husker-du-box-set-numero-group/
― MaresNest, Monday, 3 July 2017 09:33 (six years ago) link
I've heard so many mixed things. If Mould said Zen Arcade is off the table, and SST (as always) is part of the problem, then it's likely we're not seeing remasters of (many of) the albums. But I've also seen/read stories of Mould trying the muscle out the other guys, in which case we'd likely see ... nothing. But I've also seen/read accounts of HD sharing legal representation/signing contracts, so ... don't know what the holdup is. All those teased pictures imply live stuff, which would be awesome but not as awesome as remasters. Or maybe expanded remasters of stuff it can wrest from SST? Who knows. Don't see why they are all being so cagey is anything firm is afoot.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
Any heavily teased massive project that does not involve some or all of the key albums would be a huge disappointment.
― Chris L, Monday, 3 July 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
I can only guess that's partly accounting for the secrecy and delay, as they try to negotiate their way around whatever stumbling blocks still exist. But it seems unlikely to pay off, given it's not happened any time in the past 30 years anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
How did the Meat puppets get their material away from SST and how does that differ from the HD situation. Cos the Rykodisc cds were like 20 years ago. Not sure what the situation with their back catalogue is now though.But then again there was less infighting i guess.
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 July 2017 14:51 (six years ago) link
from what I know they worked with the same lawyers the puppets and dino Jr did but the contact was worse in some waythe set as I understand is remastered Everything Falls Apart, remastered Land Speed Record, the other set from the show LSR was recorded from, some odds n sods and outtakes, also I believe a PRE Landspeed live show where I guess they had material before they became a hardcore band that is more melodic and slower. apparently
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 July 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
I love Husker Du as much as Dylan or the Beatles or anybody. But in a weird way, this reminds me of when I worked in a record store in the mid-'80s--an overpriced upstairs adjunct to the main store downstairs, carrying '50s and '60 imports--and people kept asking about Dave Clark Five albums, then in legal limbo. It was amazing how much interest there was in them at that particular moment (maybe they'd been used in a film or a commercial?), and no one could buy anything except horrible re-recorded budget versions. I kept thinking that the Dave Clark Five and whoever owned the rights to their stuff should act quickly while people still cared, because in another 10 years no one will.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
Think maybe it was Dave himself who was responsible for that
― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 July 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link
He screwed up releases of Ready Steady Go for a while, inserting DC5 performances where they shouldn't have been. & not issuing things that should have been.
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
there was something mentioned on Greg's fb page the other day but greg himself pretty much said hes not involved in it
― Odysseus, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:06 (six years ago) link
I remember for years the Galaxie 500 albums were unavailable, and I'd also heard it was due to problems with Rough Trade. Then I interviewed Dean Wareham once, maybe c. "Penthouse," and asked him about it, and he was all, no, we have the rights, just haven't gotten around to them yet. At least the Huskers albums have never been out of print.
Dino, Meat Puppets, Sonic Youth all managed to get their records from SST, right? I assume Soundgarden, too?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
re: DC5, yes, Dave Clark himself controlled their recordings. Whenever a reissue offer came his way, he asked for ridiculous money. Over time, as everything fell out of print, oldies stations stopped playing them -- no way to upgrade their old 45s or carts from those 45s -- and by the '90s they were forgotten. Clark was reduced to agreeing to release a substandard best-of CD on Hollywood Records...which I think is now out of print.
The PBS doc on him is unintentionally hilarious, and somehow omits the fact that he didn't even play on their best/biggest hits (Bobby Graham did).
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 3 July 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
Yeah Harold Bronson (cofounder of Rhino) had a great/telling story about this re DC5 a few years back
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-bronson/the-dave-clark-five-dave-_b_5091519.html
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 July 2017 15:39 (six years ago) link
Problem is none of them get along and Bob has all the power because he still has a successful solo career and can basically pick up the phone and given day and get 20 grand to do a show.
I'm sure Ginn has a price but I'd guess that money would have to come from Bob and he doesn't need this to happen
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 July 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
Wow at that Huffpo article.
Because of Disney’s unfulfilled enticements — among them, getting the group’s songs into Disney movies and installing a DC5-themed cafe in the United Kingdom Pavilion at Disney World’s Epcot, Dave told me — he was able to extricate himself from the deal with five years left in the contract.
― Guidonian Handsworth Revolution (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 3 July 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
Grim thought but given the animus between Bob and Grant, do you think Bob is running out the clock waiting for Grant to kick the bucket or is that too dark even for HD
― flappy bird, Monday, 3 July 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
http://blog.thecurrent.org/2017/07/grant-hart-joined-by-greg-norton-dave-pirner-lori-barbero-at-emotional-hook-and-ladder-show/
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:-(
― pplains, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:36 (six years ago) link
Yeah I've been thinking about that a lot today
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
I don't really care--the time-honored confusion over caring vs. taking-an-interest--but I'd be happy if this gave them a sentimental push into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They became eligible in 2006; no idea if they've ever been close, but I'm sure they're part of most voters' lives at this point.
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:44 (six years ago) link
how many of the bands written about in Azerrad's book are in the Hall of Fame?
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 September 2017 01:00 (six years ago) link
I don't think any of them. The first poll I ever posted on here (with a rather baffling title) was basically that question:
The Bert Blyleven Poll
I realize now I was secretly endorsing Husker Du: their name is Dutch, just like Bert Blyleven. I would still think Sonic Youth the most likely first.
― clemenza, Friday, 15 September 2017 01:52 (six years ago) link
Sonic Youth for sure. Fugazi, too. Black Flag probably. I mean, this will take decades, they're still getting around to Cheap Trick, Yes, and the Moody fucking Blues. but then Nirvana & Green Day (rightfully so) get inducted in their first year of eligibility. But if Pearl Jam goes in, if the Foo Fighters go in before the 80s bands...
― flappy bird, Friday, 15 September 2017 02:49 (six years ago) link
I'd hope none of them go in, they're all too good for it!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 September 2017 09:10 (six years ago) link
not Dutch, Swedish? xxp
― StanM, Friday, 15 September 2017 10:31 (six years ago) link
it's Danish
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 15 September 2017 10:46 (six years ago) link
I've actually had a copy of the Husker Du memory game since I was kid!
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
Always thought the name (Norwegian) was some reference to Scandi/Viking colonies in Minnesota. Never heard about the board game
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 15 September 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
Nah, it's from a Danish board game they used to sell in the US. There was also a Norwegian TV show with that name, which probably confuses things. It's the same in both languages, although neither language uses the umlauts, as far as I can tell.
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
re RRHoF: fortunately, Cleveland will be under water first
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
Re: their name and its meaning, mpls's trip shakespeare had a song on their 1990 album across the universe whose chorus was Lonely when I hear the bandThat used to play when we were looking for musicLonely when I hear the band Do you remember? Do you recall?Remember when you held my handYou used to say'I love them so much'Lonely when I hear the bandDo you remember. Do you recall.
And I always figured that was partly an elegy for huskers. (Can't remember the damn song title rn)
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
hilarious ed sullivan-esque introduction to this absolutely brutal 1981 show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvMMn8gj0kQ
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 September 2017 01:23 (six years ago) link