Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4lzRgNUkaw

I assume the dude is going to lose his job, right?

jfc

omg omg why did I read the comments why did I read the comments why did I read the comments

unless the comments are variants on "what a fucking douchebag" i don't think i want to know ...

some of them are, but a lot of them are "well if she doesn't like it she shouldn't have posed in sexy clothes"

dag

uggghhh

What's something that no one knows about you?

I have TV anxiety! I get nervous being on air, I fear sharks and eat peanut M@M's on a nightly basis.

thread title otm

cuz it is

jeez if she wants people to take her seriously why doesn't she dress like a pioneer?

welllll to be fair the only thing I know about her is
a. she is a woman who races cars
b. there are lots of godaddy advertisements that suggest I can watch her shower if I sign up for a domain name or something?

I'm not defending these people btw, all local news people should be fired, everywhere

"I'm not defending these people, just their ideas"

Whatever you think of her complaint about being referred to as sexy (while doing the GoDaddy ads), calling her a bitch for saying anything is some grade-A bullshit.

I can't even imagine the cognitive skills and coordination it takes to drive a racecar!

if you are willing to be part of a super bowl ad about your sexiness then yes is might become part of your narrative

it might

If you're a woman. And then you'll get called a bitch if you complain about people concentrating solely on that.

again I dont know anything about the drive cars really fast game I just know I see godaddy ads in times square w/ this woman that suggest I can see her naked

I don't know who any of these ppl are

• some asshole news anchor guy
• a woman who drives cars
• a woman news anchor
• an older news anchor guy

TV!

Why do you people call newspeople "anchors"? It's funny

newscasters

If you're a woman.

is the answer to this:

if you are willing to be part of a super bowl ad about your sexiness then yes is might become part of your narrative

in case anybody missed it, ty phil d.

All you need to know about that "sportcaster" guy is right there on his head. He has smug, arrogant hair.

The number of women responding with comments attacking Patrick or saying 'no big deal' is so fucking depressing.

It's depressing, but not surprising.

she probably lives in the suburbs too!

iatee is stepping his game up lately

don't you have some friends you can go hang out with or something

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Popcorn_bag_unpopped.jpg/640px-Popcorn_bag_unpopped.jpg

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=33115,filename=Popcorn.gif

Rolling 'this is popcorn' thread

bag is a more stylish move at this point

anyway, i understand why her "sexyness" has become a part of the narrative. i understand that she fed into it. i understand, at the same time, how such things snowball and how women are effectively punished (and sure, rewarded) for their supposed sexiness in ways that men just aren't. as a result of all that, i understand how frustrating and demeaning the whole thing must be for her at times.

what i don't get is why assholes like him are paid good money to talk about shit on the air.

sincere question, cause i don't watch sports news: is this something male athletes have gotten asked anytime recently?

The closest I can think of is David Beckham taking shit for seeming to be more about modeling than soccer, but that's about dedication to his craft, not a sexiness narrative in the same way.
So I'd say no.

like there were some beefcake-y ads/fashion shots in the local paper (not sure if they were national ads, or just local ones), and at least one sexy-romantic one featuring that SF Giants pitcher after they won the World Series -- the guy that looks a little like Nirvana-era Dave Grohl. Dunno his name.

Tim Lincecum, probably. He is popular with the ladies. And stoners.

He mostly just gets asked why his fastball has dropped 4mph over the last two seasons.

"David Beckham sexiness narrative"

Jonathan Ross' Becks interview a few weeks back was all about the sexiness narrative iirc.

On another board I visit, someone posted this to a "Funny pictures" thread:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/418338_319014498145551_181382511908751_908972_406638343_n.jpg

Sure, you can be critical of the "Myspace pose", but how does anyone think this is a good or funny way of doing that?

why is elmer fudd doing the deed here?

it's duck season

i suppose it's not that sexy is sometimes part of the narrative for attractive women athletes, it's that it's almost never not part of the narrative. beckham, i assume they focus on it sometimes but other times not at all.

i dunno how to even parse this dr. pepper thing. it seems like it's satirizing the "man food" approach like in those burger king ads or whatnot while still conveying the same message? those bk ads seemed self-parodying anyway so how do you clown a clown? the "it's not for women" approach only makes me more aware that diet sodas are considered unmanly and that objectively there's no difference between dr. pepper 10 and a tab or whatever in regards to soft-drink genderedness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c4iaetOC54

i don't how many layers of irony or mock irony you need to pack your message in but i'll willingly drink a diet soda w/out fear of developing an auxiliary vagina so that's probably too many unnecessary layers right there.

why is elmer fudd doing the deed here?

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:13 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

its an old gag where he fires the shotgun in daffy duck's face, and it spins his bill around to face the other side of his head

http://i.imgur.com/QGpyl.jpg

its a comment on the 'duckface' that young women make in photos

Re: Dr. Pepper Ten

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_M89vNDcglYw/RwVyVvVyGUI/AAAAAAAAAWs/Tz-RR51eSu0/s400/yorkie1.png

why is elmer fudd doing the deed here?

― Big Mr. Guess U.S.A. Champion (crüt), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:13 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's duck season

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Tuesday, February 28, 2012 4:14 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rabbit season.

xp

Tuesday, 31 March 1998 12:00AM Be the first to comment

- Worthington has returned to television advertising with a new campaign that ditches comedian Harry Enfield in favour of 'real lads' exploits.

The commercial aims to make Worthington the 'lads beer for the 90s'. To achieve this Worthington has chosen a laddish creative treatment that pokes fun at men who engage in unladdish activities.

Created by agency WCRS, the ad start by posing a question about laddish behaviour. The narrator asks: 'why do lads always take the mickey?' In answering the question, the commercial then enters a surreal world where we see what would happen if lads didn't take the mickey: they would compliment each other on their appearance and, as a consequence, become interested in hand cream. This would have the disastrous result of smoothing the lads' palms to such a degree that their pint glasses slip straight through and smash on the floor.

The ad closes with the tag line "Worthington. It's a Man Thing'. The campaign was written by WCRS creatives Andy Brittain and Yu Kung and was director by Traktor.

According to WCRS account director Jonathan Rigby: "Our objective is clear - to make Worthington the lads beer brand for the 90s. The campaign marks a welcome return to classic beer advertising - simple, well observed and infectiously funny."

feel like the Yorkie ads might have 'worked', as much as they're cretinous, but Worthington just seems desperate and reaching

"Yorkie" sounds like such a girl thing though.

http://www.nextdaypets.com/directory/breeds/images/1100281.jpg

Is that part of the joke?

No. Don't know why they were called Yorkie though, because Yorkshiremen are all like tough and rugged, 'appen?

"David Beckham sexiness narrative"

I'll do the libretto for this opera fyi

Speaking of Danica Patrick...

^^Was just coming to post that.

ha

asshole

Also the idea of a manly candy bar is hilarious to me and I've bought Yorkies specifically because of their stupid marketing campaign.

Which is probably what they wanted all along but whatever.

yorkies are pretty good but they could have used smaller gauge nail chunks, also motor oil that wasn't loaded with transfats

the idea of a manly candy bar is hilarious to me

If you think that's stupid, try this...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/colinohara/flora.jpg

Are they still using that slogan?

...

I really don't understand society sometimes

"You'll never put a better bit of butter on your wife"

^ old joke that will make no sense to anyone outside the UK

Arr, that be Cuntry Loife buttr.

Cuntry Crock

good thing they put pictures of flowers all over my man margarine now i am transexual

http://i.imgur.com/vOTKV.jpg

i think we need a thread of this stuff

".. and the ladies that love them!"

(soz)

To be fair, those really only have one use.

(xpost)

brands for MENS

we had the dockers thread didn't we

marketing of masculinity

I approve of this manly spinoff tho

i conceived of the brands for mens thread as specifically for products that are trying to convince men that theyre not fags for using them while being no different than the stuff girls like eg coke zero/diet coke is how i break it down to an extent

although diet coke does have more caffeine than coke zero, factoid

^^ both disgusting imo

I swear I started a thread about those Men kleenex once.

Oh I didn't but I posted about them here:
marketing of masculinity

They're hysterical. Slogan might as well have been: Because you're too old to still be using your sock.

or using some godawful hankerchief and putting it in your pocket full of snot

pretty sure it's just for wanking

real men just let the jizz dry and peel it off later, or maybe not at all

the layers of dried jizz make your dick look... aah nevermind

cigar box

*shudders*

TOO FAR GUYS, TOO FAR

http://penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games

'this is sexist' ? they say it's part of the game uhuhuhu

Yeah, there is a really stupid part of the gaming community that insists trash talk is normal and sometimes even necessary, and that anything goes.

riiiiiiight

wtf at that, really

"necessary" !

'this is sexist' ?

yes

Kind of laughing at StarCraft 2 as a comparative point of positivity, in that there are still a bunch of morons who think launching into sexuality-based insults or racial slurs at the beginning of a game is funny. Not all that many, but it happens.

I'm stumbling at the concept of a streaming internet show where you watch people play video games.

It's true that video games would not be the same w/out 14 year olds shouting homophobic, sexist, racist slurs at you while fragging your character.

They would be much better.

the argument begins an hour and forty five minutes into the video

no and thank you

That article makes me want to go on a shooting spree.

Miranda “Super Yan” Pakozdi stepped in to say that the sexual harassment hurts the community, but she’s shushed and told to let the man speaking for her finish.

I mean what is this I don't even.

I've been playing a ton of the new Star Wars MMORPG, The Old Republic, and luckily haven't seen much sexist garbage on the general chat channels during the game. But on the forums? Ay-yi-yi.

also wow, this really makes me glad I never got super into the fighting game community

gamers should all go die in a fire so we can start over

I'm stumbling at the concept of a streaming internet show where you watch people play video games.

― beachville, Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:17 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

man you've never watched korean starcraft tv shows on youtube?

possible challop: i think the problem is that the really serious/devoted gamers become so serious + devoted partially bc they have social interaction/interrelationship deficiencies. those deficiencies get carried into the gaming community where you have tons of mostly young men who don't know how to act appropriately towards others, and particularly towards women.

that is not a challop at all, I mean didn't you play WoW for a while?

lol yeah. the challop is the conclusion i left off, which is where i said that gamers like to think that they're so enlightened compared to the cool students with whom they attend school. like, i think that myth is deeply embedded in the gaming community, and it's actually the total opposite bc of this phenomenon. actually, this might not be a challop here. more a challop on PA forums i'd bet.

I watch SC2 commentary videos :(

Mordy, I think there are a lot of serious gamers (or professional, even) who are perfectly fine at personal interaction. It's dumbasses who normalize the negative interactions who screw up the system, and they're really typically a vocal minority in the fanbase.

I dunno if this is a challenging opinion or if the gaming community actually believes that stuff? I mean, the PA people really didn't react appropriately to some allegations of misogyny/triggering material but it seemed more like ignorance

"If you're a woman. And then you'll get called a bitch if you complain about people concentrating solely on that."

this. i agree that it is sexist, but otoh shrug it off and laugh at it.

I think that in every community a vocal minority (especially one that is so vocal as the misanthropic gaming minority) requires an apathetic or even sympathetic silent majority to thrive.

“For some guys, being themselves means making mildly lecherous comments or racial jokes. Now, a bunch of idiots are conflating and exaggerating this with actually being racist or sexist. That’s supremely fucking stupid, because they’re not even close to the same.”

smdh

playing WoW with ostensibly adult people who:

- bragged about failing all of their classes and getting kicked out of school
- bragged about missing work and not calling in so they could play
- would leave in the middle of a raid to go to Taco Bell
- liked to type rape jokes in general chat
- liked to belittle anyone who made a mistake, no matter how minor and no matter whether they had ever made that mistake before
- were by and large massively proud of their blinding, overwhelming ignorance of EVERYTHING aside from the game

... all of that, and then realizing this was one of the FRIENDLIER gaming communities, really sucked a lot of the fun of gaming out of my life, which is why I'm now playing single-player games on my phone, PS3 and Vita rather than gearing up for the next WoW expansion pack or checking out The Old Republic.

- would leave in the middle of a raid to go to Taco Bell

I'm sorry, this is hilarious

- would leave in the middle of a raid to go to Taco Bell

disgusting savages

oh I'm not gonna lie, that WAS hilarious

The whole 25 person raid was sitting on Vent listening to this dude babble (he babbled a LOT, and also used to bug the shit out of the women in our guild) and something happened where someone had to go AFK and he said "okay I'm doing a run to the border, I'll be back in 5 minutes".

We all were sitting there going "... WHAT?", especially since he was gone for half an hour.

The Old Republic has been pretty good, I must say. I've been playing since launch in December and I think I've only had to ignore-list four or five people.

maybe he meant 'going to the border gave me runs'

and he was playing on his desktop and not his laptop

when he got back, he was talking about how much he loved Taco Bell but he really had to stop going there because he weighed close to 400 pounds, but sometimes he couldn't resist and just had to drop everything, ask his mom for some money, and make a run for the border

IIRC he was 24 or 25

Urgh, that must be a horrible experience. Then again, the knitting community isn't that great either (in my country). :-( As a result I rarely socialize.

you forget that ilx is actually one of the more decent communities until you bump up against this idiocy

You might want to consider not reading any of the comments on that Craig Bannister article, not that you would have anyway.

My new WoW guild are alright, but there's a few subjects that I cringe whenever they come up - it just seems that unless a group is actually set up demographically to avoid sexism / racism / homophobia, there's no reason to expect them to avoid it. But even then if you call them on it they'll mostly be embarrassed or cut it out or at least work your dislike into the narrative - I've not seen the hateful "f u this is our right we will make our stand here" stuff from that thread. The only other place I've really seen it anywhere (that I can think of) is the "Gay just means lame, that's all, jeez granddad", which doesn't really seem to have turned up that much on this side of the Atlantic.

Disclaimer: I am a straight white male, so obviously I am wearing a +12 suit of pillows in all of this.

one of the most interesting things I watched happen was seeing my gay coworker join my WoW guild and seeing him shortly afterward start using "gay" to mean stupid, something he never did before

it was especially jarring seeing this coming from a 40+ year old

it's kind of hilarious to contrast the dramatic environment that the game designers created vs. the regressed man-children who play the game and turn the austere fantasy world into a bunch of orcs calling each other "fag" every 2 seconds

nb I've never actually played WoW I just imagine that's what it's like based on my other online gaming experiences

depending on the server, it can get like that

they should invent a new character that you can play that's called a fag and make it the most powerful character just to throw everyone off

well, they are adding cute little panda monks in the next expansion

they should invent a new character that you can play that's called a fag and make it the most powerful character just to throw everyone off

too close to reality

Urgh, that must be a horrible experience. Then again, the knitting community isn't that great either (in my country). :-( As a result I rarely socialize.

:O

Nath, how so??

the only fabric they use is human skin

if knitting in belgium is anything like playing WoW with glutton homophones, man idk

Every knitting group I've been a part of has been almost entirely arty feminists (men & women alike), which means sometimes having to pretend their pattern for a felted vibrator cozy is some kind of high-concept art piece, but that's really as "bad" as it gets.

is a vibrator cozy really that functional, or is it just an aesthetic nicety to put on a vibrator?

It seriously was some convoluted concept piece that was supposed to be a commentary on the TSA.

haha what

My sorta-arty/pretty-geeky feminist best friend used to knit Diva Cup cozies!

I know I love ensconcing things in cabled wool.

had never heard of the diva cup [glow of newly acquired wisdom]

What, where have you been??? We've done menstrual alternatives like 4 times!

lolling at the name "diva cup"

RIP Whitney

oh wait

i took a vacation

menstruation vacation

http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/_img/chars/char_16963.jpg

a menstruation vacation I say

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f14/snouts/2hzr39l.gif

mooncup over my hammy

I haven't read this thread yet but are you all talking about vid games because of the whole streetfighter controversy

Kind of laughing at StarCraft 2 as a comparative point of positivity, in that there are still a bunch of morons who think launching into sexuality-based insults or racial slurs at the beginning of a game is funny. Not all that many, but it happens.

― valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:16 AM (5 hours ago)

sorry to derail, but i just have to come back to this real quick. SC2 is light-years ahead of every other gaming community that i've had any experience with (which admittedly is mostly only through brief encounters and friends who have been into other games.) yes, there are still plenty of morons on battle.net, of course, but as far as the dominant culture of the game goes, it is almost mind-boggling how much better the SC2 community is--politeness is ingrained into the standard interactions between players ("glhf", "gg"), and while its not always practiced, it is really surprising how often it is. there has been major blowback from the community every single time someone in the spotlight has made any kind of racist or misogynistic remark, and overall the SC2 community is very self-conscious about how they come across to outsiders and they're very self-aware of the general perception of gaming communities. there's this whole idea that has taken root within SC2 that they are the ones that can really grow "eSports" by being more mature, presentable, professional, etc. i think this is largely due to the intense strategic difficulty of the game keeping the bar for entry somewhat high combined with the influence of certain community figures.

starcraft is actually brought up in this srticle

http://kotaku.com/5889066/competitive-gamers-inflammatory-comments-spark-sexism-debate

This is a community that's, you know, 15 or 20 years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting game community, it's not the fighting game community—it's StarCraft. There's nothing wrong with StarCraft if you enjoy it, and there's nothing wrong with anything about eSports, but why would you want just one flavor of ice cream, you know? There's eSports for people who like eSports, and there's fighting games for people who like spicy food and like to have fun. There's no reason to turn them into the same thing, you know?

Later, when asked about whether shouting "Rape that bitch!" at a match is acceptable behavior, Bakhtanians replied, "Look, man. What is unacceptable about that? There's nothing unacceptable about that. These are people, we're in America, man, this isn't North Korea. We can say what we want. People get emotional."

It's called "diva cup" now? What happened to "mooncup"?

huh interesting

what is glhf?

xp

btw I thought up mooncup over my hammy yesterday thank you for letting me post it

good luck have fun

America!

I don't think I've ever heard "diva cup" used in Finland (seriously, what does it have to do with divas?), everyone I know says "mooncup" or plain ol' "menstruation cup".

think diva cup is a brand

the branding being something like "you are embracing your powerful womanhood by menstruating into a cup"

let's all agree: blood cup

Later, when asked about whether shouting "Rape that bitch!" at a match is acceptable behavior, Bakhtanians replied, "Look, man. What is unacceptable about that? There's nothing unacceptable about that. These are people, we're in America, man, this isn't North Korea. We can say what we want. People get emotional."

this is the part that just blew my mind. dude needs such a huge punch in the balls. you can have a tough, aggressive, rough-and-tumble gaming culture without insisting on the necessity of constant sexual and racial harassment.

star craft: blood cup war

i mean, wtf? does capcom employ this guy?

lol, no

he's their director of HR

plus okay, now that you guys mention it, i do remember earlier discussions of the "mooncup". now i have to learn a new something new today.

gotta love the "free speech means i can be an abusive asshole" line of reasoning, it may be old but man its super effective at soothing the irritation of acknowledging that other people exist

Oh, most certainly, karl. I was just making the point that even in a community that great, there are still some bizarre outliers. They're not the ones who are doing well, but there's still the perception from some idiots that saying noxious bullshit is OK in online gaming.

It's interesting that SC2 is also one of the few games where people communicate in a way that is later replayable. I think fps gamers, if they're communicating, tend to use voice communication, as do fighting game people. SC2 is mostly people typing at each other, and recorded game files are what most youtube commentators are using. If you're being a racist, homophobic dick, then everyone is going to see it and you're going to get called out.

free speech is great because it actually inoculates us against all criticism for anything we ever say! those founding fathers thought of everything! god bless america.

We each of us have the freedom to be a total prick and not get arrested for it! But you still wind up being a total prick, so, meh.

I hate him so much that it can't be healthy.

I don't think you can be interested in human rights OR be a pragmatist and think that funding contraception doesn't make sense. Because even if you don't think that sex is a basic human right that everyone should be able to enjoy, then you have to at least acknowledge that people will have sex, even if you think they shouldn't, and costs will be reduced in the system overall if we provide people with contraception.

I think Limbaugh would like to consider himself a pragmatist, but his huge sexism and hatred of poor people is getting in the way

haha he's nowhere near a pragmatist

well, no shit

that brand of conservatism is like 25% pragmatist, 75% really mean Archie Bunker

I don't think there's any brand of conservatism that has higher than 1% pragmatism at this point

true, that

don't understand how anyone can listen to limbaugh and not quickly come to understand that the extreme social conservatives he represents have no ideology, not even a coherent point of view. limbaugh's entire political agenda = the undisguised hated of anyone he perceives as "different". hatred of women, hatred of nonwhites, hatred of liberals, hatred of the poor and weak, hatred of the educated, hatred as an end in itself.

love of Viagra, Oxycontin and money, tho

I don't think there's any brand of conservatism that has higher than 1% pragmatism at this point

― iatee, Wednesday, February 29, 2012 2:06 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

disagree. i think the hardcore, ideologically-committed free enterprise/small government conservatives tend to be extremely pragmatic, perhaps especially in their cynical exploitation of easily-led social conservatives.

From the not sayin just sayin dept, there was a third panel to Tuomas' comic that put it in slightly more context:

http://baconwrappedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/elmer-fudd-duck-face-bacon-wrapped-media.jpg

my god what happened to this thread, all u gamers r savage as far as im concerned

do you think Lana del Rey has a diva cup?

putting in my diva cup
checking to see what's up
video games

Omg inappropriately loud IRL lol

A+ sarahell

seconded

feel like that post was trying hard for critical acclaim and still made it there

chinese state run media doesn't fail to disappoint

http://english.people.com.cn/90882/7750078.html
http://life.globaltimes.cn/entertainment/2010-08/562923.html

first link = I didn't know heave ho was working in china now

The headlines for other articles are killing me. Maybe Fox is fair and balanced after all.

saw a dude today walking with a girl, dude's t-shirt said "COOL STORY, BABE. now go make me a sandwich."

dude was def not a nerd or frat bro either, just looked vaguely 'hip'

has the GIVE IT TO YOUR OLD LADY TO WASH pants tag not been brought up here?

https://p.twimg.com/AnPDgReCAAEv8c3.jpg

public displays of disdain are a measure of one's coolness

^ undeniably

but holy fig @ those washing instructions

I'm sure mothers up and down the land found that hilarious.

They're just trying to make lonely single men cry. ;_;

(hug) but srsly wash your own pants

has the GIVE IT TO YOUR OLD LADY TO WASH pants tag not been brought up here?

yes, it has.

brands for MENS

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/11/christian-rock-band-preaches-hate-of-lgbt-community-during-school-assembly-tells-girls-to-be-submissive-to-husbands/

sexist...and homophobic...and stupid....and pls kill them in horrible accident.

rabbit season

kill them all; let god sort them out

"gays don't live past age 42": I thought this was established fact though it is rude to rub it in

ten years longer than jesus iirc

jesus was hella into prostitutes tho

and has said that gay men molest an average of 117 children “before they get caught,”

show yr work please, homophobic, hateful asshole

dude was def not a nerd or frat bro either, just looked vaguely 'hip'

oh in that case, dude was just trying to be ironic.

(see you guys in the "this is hipsterist" thread!)

xpost, even if that was true, that would be an insane amount of molesting

what if it's the same 117 kids

oh in that case, dude was just trying to be ironic.

(see you guys in the "this is hipsterist" thread!)

― pplains, Monday, March 12, 2012 5:03 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark

he wasn't a hipster either! that's why I just said hip and not hipster. he was the kind of guy who probably thinks that growing thin sideburns is cool but a soul patch/goatee is not.

story is gone now...?

I can't load addictinginfo.org at all?

show yr work please, homophobic, hateful asshole

Bradlee's one gay friend has molested: 0 kids
Local Annandale pedophile molested: 233 kids
Actually works out to 116.5 kids WTF Bradlee

story is gone now...?

― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), 12. maaliskuuta 2012 23:43 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't load addictinginfo.org at all?

― drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), 12. maaliskuuta 2012 23:44 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Works fine with me.

Here's the news story, if you can't access the site:

Christian Rock Band Preaches Hate Of LGBT Community During School Assembly, Tells Girls To Be Submissive To Husbands
March 11, 2012
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.

When Dunkerton High School in Iowa invited a Christian rock band called Junkyard Prophet to perform during a school assembly this past Thursday, they never expected to get a hate filled sermon as part of the deal. But that’s exactly what happened.

According to the Lacrosse Tribune, the message was supposed “to be about bullying and making good choices,” such as being non-violent and against drugs and alcohol. “Instead, junior and senior high students at Dunkerton High School and faculty members said they were assaulted by the group’s extreme opinions on homosexuality and images of aborted fetuses,” along with messages against strong independent women.

After the band performed their music, they separated the boys, girls, and faculty in the building, which should have been an immediate red flag. According to witnesses, the band talked to the boys about the band’s Ten Commandments and talked about musicians that have died of drug overdose. The discussion with the girls was much different. The band told them “to save themselves for their husbands and assume a submissive role in the household. The leader in that effort also forced the young ladies to chant a manta of sorts about remaining pure” and would not allow any of them to leave the room.

One parent, Jennifer Littlefield, told the Tribune about a phone call she received from her daughter after the assembly. “They told my daughter, the girls, that they were going to have mud on their wedding dresses if they weren’t virgins. I couldn’t even understand her, she was crying so hard. They told these kids that anyone who was gay was going to die at the age of 42. It just blows me away that no one stopped this.”

According to LGBTQ Nation,”the band is part of the “You Can Run But You Cannot Hide International” Christian youth ministry founded by Bradlee Dean. Dean has advocated for imprisonment of gays and lesbians, and has said that gay men molest an average of 117 children “before they get caught,” and that Muslim nations that execute gays are more moral than American Christians.”

At the end of the day, Superintendent Jim Stanton told the students that the band doesn’t represent the beliefs of the administration and that the school is tolerant of those who are different and that diversity is celebrated in the school. But that doesn’t excuse the inaction of the school staff. They never should have allowed the students to be separated into groups and away from faculty members in the first place. It shows a complete lack of responsibility. And the very fact that they allowed a Christian band with dubious ties to a hate group to perform in front of students is disturbing. The problem is that the damage has already been done. Undoubtedly there are students that completely agree with what the band had to say, and now feel inspired to begin bullying others who don’t believe as they do. What this band did, is indoctrinate students with a message of hate. Clearly, this band holds the same beliefs as many in the Republican Party.

This is precisely why religion should remain outside of school. Though school officials expected a general message of ’don’t do drugs and don’t be violent,’ the current wave of hatred spreading throughout the Christian organizations should have prompted school administrators to research the band’s associations. The school paid $1,500 for the band to perform. That’s tax payer dollars, folks. Tax dollars paid to a religiously affiliated group. That sounds very much like a violation of the religious freedom of students to me. The school didn’t have to invite this band. They could have hired a non-religious band to perform and stress the positive anti-drugs, anti-violence message the school had intended in the first place. Heck, they could have just delivered the message themselves. But they didn’t. They chose a religiously affiliated band with ties to a Christian hate group. This is why parents should bring lawsuits to prevent similar incidents from occurring in the future. This kind of hate speech should not be tolerated in our schools.

Whoa, my mom was telling me about that over the weekend! wtf, school administrators

“If these young women are being responsible and didn’t have the sex to begin with, we wouldn’t have this problem to begin with,” Davis said.

If people could just not have sex in ways I approve of this wouldn't happen!

oh yeah and it's all the woman's fault for this unapproved sex

I like that he actually referred to it as "the sex."

DON'T BE HAVING THE SEX

bradlee dean is a minor right wing political star in mn, with a little bit of liberal internet infamy because TPM 'discovered' him in the course of covering michelle bachmann

I WOULD MAKE THE SEX WITH ALL THIS GIRLS... IF THEY WERE IRRESPONSIBLE, THAT IS

I like how "responsible" correlates to "no sex" for women. Can we get a ruling on what man responsibility looks like?

you can distill it even further - "responsible" means "not using birth control"

pdate: WECT-TV reports one of the commissioners who voted to reject the funds, Democrat Jonathan Barfield, expressed his regret on Facebook hours after the commission meeting.

“I’m getting a good lesson from my wife right this minute on the error of my vote,” he reportedly wrote.

“I just interviewed with WECT as I cited the error of my vote. I don’t have the right to choose for any woman,” Barfield went on, according to the station. “If you watch the tape of the meeting you’ll get a better sense of the discussion. Bottom line we should have accepted the money.”

Just marveling at the break between what came out of this man's mouth and the real world that he lives in, even his WIFE lives in, and how unacceptable his stated ideas are. It really is like these men are living & talking in a vacuum.

megalol @ the "update" and the commissioner regretting his vote

Barfield: "I'm sorry I'm a fucking idiot. That's just how I was raised."

How long before women everywhere go absolutely Lysistrata until this shit stops?

People do that, they talk about what is right for people to do and speak in platitudes and there's absolutely no connection to the way anyone lives outside of some real "moral" crazies. The kind of crazy branch of my dad's side of the family who was churchy is kind of obviously this way. They're all hucksters or constantly broke and talking about how "the lord will provide" or having kids at the least opportune times.

There are women who pull this same shit, but I'd like to think it's harder to deny because it's more of a day-to-day reality

It's like, does he ever tell his wife what OTHER things he has voted on, to get his legislative body to a place where this option to refusing family planning funds is even a supportable question? Did she just not notice that he was this kind of asshole all along?

I wonder how many kids he has, being one of those "abstinence guys"

This has to correlate directly with the wave of male commentators led by Limbaugh who, in recent weeks, pretty much showed that they have no idea how female hormonal birth control works. I can just imagine him going home:

M: "I can't believe we almost accepted funds for that birth control stuff! It seems horrible."
W: "Dude that is what I take every day"
M: "Every day?!? But we haven't had sex for weeks!"
W: "..."

well tbh I can't ever recall birth control (like for adults) being a hot button ish for anyone except Catholics? like I think in general this no pills 4 u hussy is some thing pretty novel for most of the right; I could see that guys wife being a little surprised to hear that his politics had suddenly shifted on an issue that had for many been sorted some time ago

xp lols

It's not even a hot-button issue for Catholics. 98% of Catholic women have used bc.

Yeah, I thought there was just a consensus that contraception exists, everyone uses it, we're just not gonna talk about any dogmatic problems that might concern. Maybe it's the controversy over 'abortion pills' that has muddied the waters.

the controversy isn't birth control itself, it's the use of taxpayer dollars to pay for birth control.

Uh that's the publicly stated reason, but I think it's manifestly clear at this point that the real problem with birth control existing at all is women having sex. Like that guy I quoted actually said: it's responsible for women not to have sex. Any sex. That is what we should all be working toward.

yep.

'Slut' is a different insult from 'tax leech', though it's probably confusing to disentangle people who genuinely only have a problem with the latter from those throwing around the former. The rhetoric framing the issue has definitely been dominated by the misogynistic rather that the fiscal.

I mean, the arguments may start with "I don't want my tax money going to..." but they generally seem to end in the "slutty college girl" area.

SO MANY UNRULY VAGINAS

so this: http://b0nermakersinthepelot0n.tumblr.com/

google proof'd btw. basically a riff on another blog called "b4ngable dudes in pr0 cycling" that has actual writing on it and isn't just a WS thread of ladies that race. it's just.....boner makers??? so needlessly crass and weird and always already about some guys dick and not the pretty, fast bikin chicks he purports to admire

anyway birth control

Ooh, interesting, gb. The url is obnoxious to me. But the pics, with some exceptions, are mostly just of women with muscles riding bikes? There are some cleavage shots of actual athletes doing athletics in low-cut sports bras or w/e but mostly it's people hunched over bikes with big helmets on, wearing regulation gear. Iirc the dude blog this is "based" on is written by a friend of yours? It was...lurid. Quite. But amusing. I think this one is actually cleaner!

it totally is! and is, as you point out, just admiration for the tuff chix of cycling, hardly salacious. AND YET: let's make our boners a crucial part of the enterprise anyway

and yeah a friend of mine is behind the other one. not my cup of tea a lot of the time but it's panned out well for her as a thing so I'm cool with it

I mean, the arguments may start with "I don't want my tax money going to..." but they generally seem to end in the "slutty college girl" area.

no question this is what's going on. just pointing out the actual, legislative actions that have ignited these recent flare-ups. Like, yes there is a consensus that contraception exists, that everyone uses it, and that dogma doesn't really matter to most people - but introducing this issue as one of the public facilitating "sluttiness" subsequently allows all these less, shall we say, charitable concerns to come out.

cuz everyone hates sluts, right? I ain't payin my taxes for no sluts!

it also feeds directly into the "hardworking, upstanding Americans vs. lazy, amoral leeches" narrative that the right sustains itself on

*grainy b&w slow-mo of obama*

President Obama.....

wants to use YOUR money....

to pay YOUR daughter.....

to have sexual intercourse.

well right as well as serving as another cudgel for banging on about GOVT HEALTHCARE

Xp

To gbx: Agreed about the primacy of men's boners in every discussion about women of any kind, doing anything.* You are otm.

* Up to and including: Wearing leggings. Grocery shopping. Riding bikes. Drinking beers. Having breasts. Having ideas. Going out in public at all. Using birth control. Reading books. Writing books. Smiling at you. Not smiling at you. Eating salad. Drinking water. Etc.

*grainy b&w slow-mo of obama*

President Obama.....

wants to use YOUR money....

to pay YOUR daughter.....

to have sexual intercourse.

left out the 70spimp.jpg

I haven't been keeping up here so may have been posted but ;,lniougtgcxyrxkmnlpp:

http://jezebel.com/5893011/law-will-allow-employers-to-fire-women-for-using-whore-pills

OMFG

Further, Lesko states, with a straight face, that this bill is necessary because "we live in America; we don't live in the Soviet Union."

Ah, yes, the Soviet Union. The sort of place where a woman might think about getting birth control through an insurance plan to which she contributes premiums without having to show her boss her prescription in order to prove that she wasn't using it to not get pregnant. The Soviet Union. A hellscape where women don't run the risk of losing their jobs over their sexual practices. What a horrible, awful place where herds of sluts run wild like feral ponies, humping everything in sight. The nightmare of unwilling motherhood evaded is a constant spectre in The Motherland.

I don't know if this is the best thread to post this in, or if it has already been discussed elsewhere:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/mar/13/woman-retracted-rape-claim-husband

I am at a loss to understand what anyone involved in the prosecution thought would be gained from this case, and how the judges have managed to uphold the conviction.

That's horrifying. I've never heard anything like it.

yikes

china state-run media missing the point oh so grandly: http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90785/7752064.html

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90782/90875/6789393.html

Wisconsin is the new Arizona!

By now, most people have heard of the Wisconsin GOP’s efforts to label single parenthood as a form of child abuse. There’s no basis in the claim, of course, and is simply another way to shame women (who comprise the majority of single parents) for not existing within a narrow and rigid social structure. A new wrinkle has surfaced as the bills’ co-sponsor, Representative Don Pridemore (R-Heartless Scumbag) has gone on the record as opposing divorce even in the event of a abusive spouse.

So if you are a woman regularly being beaten by your husband, you are a bad mother if you seek a divorce.

“If they can refind those reasons and get back to why they got married in the first place it might help,” said Representative Don Pridemore.

Also, Republicans get pissy about renewing Violence Against Women Act why because it would now cover same-sex couples and illegal immigrants.

shit is getting weird

very weird. strange time to be an american. the stuff that's come out of the woodwork over the course of the last four years, from wisconsin's war on collective bargaining to arizona and the south's war on immigrants and women, has been really shocking to me. perhaps that's testament to nothing but my own naivete.

repubs probably found out that the Violence Against Women Act did not actually promote violence against women, xpost

Texas is The New Wisconsin?

Perry wrote a letter to President Obama earlier this month accusing his administration of "mandating which health providers the state of Texas must use" in order to "continue to support abortion providers like Planned Parenthood." He vowed to continue the Women's Health Program in Texas without Planned Parenthood and without federal money, although he has yet to outline how his state will come up with money.

A. Toll Roads. Lots and lots of toll roads.
B. Perry can write?

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/rocks/2012/03/music_women_we_love_2012.php

this is much lower on the sexism totem pole but still

^^That. Katy Perry came to town last summer, so they did a top ten of the best boobs in rock.

hahaha wait really? omfg facepalm for days

did each woman account for two or did they specify?

http://gazingmales.tumblr.com/ should be notified forthwith

[x-post] Yes, they counted for two. (Link nsfw, and also more tongue-in-cheek than I remember. Looks like it was written by a woman too.)

"And somehow we get the feeling that Katy Perry and her 32DD partners in crime are only getting started, and the worst - or best, depending on your perspective - is yet to come."

intention aside, this is shitty writing.

Shitty research too-K.Perry is a c-cup.

eh, it's crappy in a perfectly ordinary and unremarkable way. see worse all the time.

"this is much lower on the sexism totem pole but still"

i'm not sure why that's sexist? women are marginalized in music enough that any attempt to spotlight female artists should be lauded, no? like, i get the concern over treating them like some kind of special species of musician ('ladies' as some distinct category from 'general musician'), but i doubt that's the intention here?

it's more the way it's being said than what

"It only stands to reason that some of them are doing it in heels" ffs

There's the super condescending opening, ending with "As a favor to Women's History Month researchers of the future, Rocks Off has compiled the following list of 10 ladies whose music we're way, way into at the moment. Savor that spotlight, girls, and remember -- you might be making history."

I mean... a "favor"? "Savor that spotlight, girls"?

Then, out of the ten profiles, the Sleigh Bells blurb spends just as much time talking about how hot Alexis Krauss is and several of the other profiles have side allusions to the singer's physical attractiveness in them (Crystal Castles: "potent blend of disturbing and alluring"; The Tontons: "you can always count on Asli to put the city's freshest musical face forward"; Lacuna Coil: "The Lacuna Coil singer brings a singular, feminine grace to a rock genre that sorely lacks it").

Then you have the inclusion of Feist, which baldly states "we actually hate her but she has an album coming out that we have to hype".

The only inclusions that seem to be purely about women as musicians are Adele, Janelle Monae, Madonna and Florence and the Machine.

Like I said, it's much further down the totem pole when compared to things like the legislative hate crimes happening against women in this country, but that doesn't mean it isn't sexist.

tbf if there's one thing that goth metal is sorely lacking it's female singers so kudos to this guy for highlighting that

Yeah I didn't actually bother reading the article so you've def answered my question... xp

"There are a couple of reasons why we're so into Janelle Monae. The first reason is that she pretty much exclusively releases concept records about robot women. That's good enough that we don't really need a second reason, but we also happen to be very impressed that she can tie a bowtie."

sold

yeah that was dumb too but I figured I was already complaining way too much about this list

that monae thing really annoyed me

https://storify.com/charlesarthur/oh-hai-sexism

female programmer tweets at a company's founders saying that a video promoting their brand is sexist, they spend their time dissecting her use of words and making thinly-veiled threats about knowing her employer

She has a point - I saw this earlier, though, and really did feel her approach (the "fucking gross") was a shitty* one. Is she a teenager? She should know better! Wish we could do a controlled study where she instead said "I find this offensive" or something with more respectable language. /Grandma

*Hah - I'm just as bad. But I don't tweet complaints to companies, generally. I just don't buy things that anger me.

protip: don't read the comments on that storify link

eh, i think it's completely reasonable to think that women should be able to get angry & confrontational & use profanity without them being derided as unprofessional, irrational, or attention-seeking

No kidding.

To me, the issue isn't even about the video, it's about their completely idiotic response to her complaint. Yes, she probably should have phrased things differently or taken a different approach, but their reaction was completely bullshit. The response to "I think this is sexist" isn't "You are a big meany and I know your boss"

Their apology pretty much blows, too. The video was made by a woman! We have women in our office! I own another business that employs many women! None of those is "We responded inappropriately to someone on twitter"

is there a place to watch the video? it's apparently private now?

FFM do you seriously think if she had said, "I find it offensive" she would have gotten a positive response?

Responding to a criticism by criticizing the delivery of the comment is a classic way to derail a potentially legit discussion - http://derailingfordummies.com/#hostile - and it happens all the time.

elmo, mh OTM

some of my best friends are women

I am definitely a "you get more bees with honey" kind of woman, yes. I am smart enough to be aware that people will let my delivery get in the way of my message and try to conduct myself accordingly, when it's important to me.

I mean, the whole "she shouldn't use such objectionable language" is the EXACT response she got:

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Translation: stop being so uppity, woman.

the gist is, "sorry if our objectification of women offended you, but we'd be more responsive to your complaint if it were delivered in a more ladylike tone."

or, "pipe down so we can disregard you, woman."

Yup.

(N.B. I would be saying the exact same thing if a man was the typist.)

the one thing I've learned is that "I have a family" is apparently a response to anything

"Don't swear at me, I have a family"

they do come across a little like "but you know us! you know we aren't sexist! *pout*" in the midst of their rampant sexism

FFM, let's assume she was an overly hostile person and was in the wrong. Does that make their response any more right?

I also like how she didn't really call them sexist, just was asking about this video she had an objection to, and then they started doing everything they could to turn it into a debate about her character

I HAVE A FAMILY.

(N.B. I would be saying the exact same thing if a man was the typist.)

But it wasn't. It was a woman expressing a strong opinion about something she found sexist and the response was "watch your mouth, lady!" which is as much the sexist part as the video itself. Focusing on her unladylike language instead of the complaint is the problem.

I HAVE CHILDREN.

I once made the mistake of using my work email address as my contact info when cruising through a Cure-related website that had some really terrible mystery meat navigation and said so in the comments; the webmaster wrote me back an angry letter where he threatened to expose my blatant unprofessionalism to my boss because he thought I was a competing web developer trolling for business by insulting his work. I immediately told my boss and we both laughed at his dumb ass. (I also wrote back and clarified that I was a fan of the music and not a web developer.)

YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME THAT WAY. I HAVE TWO DOGS.

YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME THAT WAY I HAVE A UTERUS.

whoa, tmi there lady. why do you have to advertise you're a woman? what an attention whore.

I see everyone the same. Men, women, ladyboys, purple people

is it poor taste for me to say the last few posts have had me in hysterics

oh man, that was subtle, a+ punchline Mr. P

Poor taste? On MY internet?

I CAN'T BE SEXIST, I HAVE A DAUGHTER.

I wonder if it would blow those dudes' minds if someone told them women can be sexist

mh: people go on the defensive when their mistakes are pointed out, his first response was fairly reasonable (could have used a sorry, maybe) in the 'we do need a new one :)' admission. You get treated how you treat others! She does identify whatever company she works for in her 'about me' section, I didn't see his mention of it as a threat to get her in trouble - I can see how people would - but twitter is an imperfect medium to have a debate about feminism.

Carl - where do they mention she's a lady? ("watch your mouth, lady!")

Er I think I lost my train of thought to mh - sorry! - I don't identify my company's name online because I feel doing so would mean that every tweet I make would be associated with them, a little bit. So if she wants to make a big deal to them about they way they are repsenting a brand, I think it's fair for them to point out that she is too. I wouldn't speak to a colleague like that. If your tweets only reflect yourself - why mention the company in your bio? Why make that link, you know?

You get treated how you treat others!

But this ISN'T TRUE, you're asserting a "truth" that is part of the problem.

twitter is an imperfect medium to have a debate about feminism.

So people should only have objections to shittiness when it's convenient for the offender? That's...convenient.

Uh, they outright said "we know your boss"

soooooo have any of u seen this video?

the onus of professionalism is on the person acting in a professional capacity, not on the complainant. i mean, i get occasional rough language & abuse from customers on the phone, but that doesn't give me any license to disregard the customer or the substance of their complaint.

xp back to me "I have a family" is pretty lol but really it all got so annoying to me I could barely bring myself to read to the end, heh.

Laurel - what I meant by imperfect medium is that trying to cram words into 140 characters can change a person's tone in a response. Like his sentence about her working for Basho coming off as a threat to her, and me needing three sentences to explain what my interpretation might have been. If she'd emailed them (where they would have unlimited characters with which to draft a response) and got no response (or a shitty response) after a day or two, maybe then twitter is the answer to raise the awareness.

And okay, maybe you don't always get treated the way you treat others but I feel my own behaviour is certainly a factor that defines how people speak to me. But some people are just jerks.

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq4whcX42G1qztjn5o1_500.jpg

the other thing to realize is that she wasn't personally attacking either of them, she was attacking a video that was related to their company! I understand they feel like their company is important but an individual accusing a company of being sexist and appealing to the leaders of that company is different from them mentioning their business connections and pulling those in the conversation.

"I, as a person, find this offensive" is not something you respond to with as "We, as a company know where you work and can tell your boss"

tbh i kinda think twitter is an ideal medium for calling ppl out on their bullshit

mh: I do see that now - I didn't before - like I said, I got online drama fatigue and started skimming. But my irritance with her approach registered loooong before that. Fuck, I would neeeever tweet at one of our clients like that (assuming if he knows, so would she.) I like my job! And I drop a lot of fucks!

@shanley @rekatz our friend wanted to do the video really bad because she is a model and she loved the brand, what's wrong with that?

"it can't be sexist, our friend WANTED to make this video"

Elmo - that's fair. But sexism is a pretty sensitive issue so I feel like restricting yourself/your combatant to 140 characters at a time is just setting yourself up to be hurt.

This professionalism talk is bullshit because the geek conference circuit, which these people are a part of, tends to be kind of sweary and this male/female dynamic is all too common. I doubt she thought she was being that off-color, and them reading it as such and acting like she's way out of line codes wrong

is there a place to watch the video? it's apparently private now?

― Mordy, Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:13 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ Mordy knows what's really up

That's fair. I don't work in the geek circuit but I do have lots of friends who do (uh oh I'm veering dangerously close here! I HAVE A FAMILY TOO!!!) but they're not the types to take that approach. LOL Canadians. I would classify myself as 1000% more crude than the ones I know, heh. I can't watch the video - it's private now - and I'm not debating whether it was sexist. I just don't believe that if an angry man tweeted at these people he wouldn't have received similar dismissal.

I gotta break myself of the phrase 'That's fair,' ugh.

https://twitter.com/#!/shanley/status/182878421133705217

now, this is just ugly

like, what are they hoping for by trying to get a bunch of people together to do this?
"hey everyone, come here so we can throw rocks at this complaining woman. or feminists, show up to throw rocks at us. we'll be there!"

is there a place to watch the video?

imagine a tech company logo on the front panel of a scantily clad lady's underpants... forever

xp Yeah that's just weird. I don't really want to defend either of these people, haha. I just want to send the world to Lex's Finishing School of Grace and Respectability. My Grandma was my professor. I still don't wear navy & black together, either.

Wow, that exchange mh just posted is... wtf? Don't advertise a meeting that you haven't actually arranged and then suggest the person not going is the one being nasty about it. What a major-league douche.

http://kottke.org/07/02/gender-diversity-at-web-conferences

guuuh

this company looks like it's made of bubble and refined bubble btw: http://geekli.st/about

apology: http://gklst.tumblr.com/post/19734620901/geeklist-and-a-public-apology

oh n/m already posted

that derailingfordummies link is great, and giving me cause to take an uncomfortable inventory

not even refined bubble. fumes emitted from the bubble refinery.

and apparently more of the same from the tech world: http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2012/03/how-casual-sexism-put-sqoot-in.php

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/ryan-gosling-actually-historys-greatest-monster.html

I don't really know how to respond to this

Discussed / LOL'd at this a bit on the Guardian thread because I didn't know where else to put it.

I haven't read the clusterfuck that I'm sure the comments will be, but on my first reading of the NYMag article, having read first the palaver, then Laurie Penny's ridiculous Gawker article...

I'm the first person to cry "sexism" in any situation where I detect even a sniff of it, but my reaction was: actually, not sexist. Hilarious.

That is: that I don't think that it's Penny's gender that caused the clusterfuck, but the things she wrote and the attitudes she seemed to take. I'm sure that she may receive a greater and more pointed *beatdown* for it, but the opprobrium is not due to her gender, but the fact that she behaved in a kind of a ridiculous and cliched manner. But, like, that's actually what some of us like LOLrie Penny for?

anti-Semetic tbh

ah okay, I have no idea who laurie penny and didn't read the gawker article beyond what was excerpted xp

must be seen to be believed

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4065/4288631655_dde22a9f17_z.jpg

the comments on some of those pages can be even more fucked up, given the half-century gap

girl watcher mag is pretty klassik honestly

Congratulations, you found a sexist thing. Try a slightly smaller target next time, maybe?

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2530/4297737231_4661076c6c_z.jpg

still don't believe it

poll thread:

• LETTERS TO GIRL WATCHER
• THE GIRL WATCHER'S ALMANAC
• My Favorite Girl for Watching: THE KITTEN TYPE
• GIRL WATCHING AROUND THE WORLD
• GIRL WATCHER'S GUIDE TO PARIS
• STALKING THE GIRL
• THE GIRL NEXT DOOR
• COLLECTING PRETTY GIRLS
• A GIRL WATCHER ESCAPES
• LOVE GODDESS DEPARTMENT
• GIRLS WHO WANNA BE WATCHED
• ANSWERS TO GIRL WATCHING PROBLEMS
• THE FARMER'S DAUGHTER
• STRAWBERRY BIRTHMARK DEPT.
• THE PEEGEE GIRLS
• HIP FLIPPERS, ETC.
• GIRL ON A HORSE

girl watcher mag is pretty klassik honestly

if you say so champ

^not a taschen fan i see

I'm more of a Jaybird fan

Uh huh

not really sure what's unbelievable about this tbh

largely hyperbole, no need to dwell on it

could just have easily titled the link THIS IS SEXIST

this is straining my credulity a little, tbh

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/botony.jpg

your credulity pants

http://www.thenation.com/blog/167402/how-gender-identity-may-determine-right-vote-2012

"This is, by any measure, the portion of the electorate that is among the most marginalized and stigmatized, and hence probably most in need of the right to have a say in who governs their lives. But discussions on both sides of voter ID laws tend to leave out transgender citizens in discussions about who would be most adversely impacted."

Is this homophobic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-rFo6DDwss

@ :25

i swear to god i just saw a slightly different version of this where the guy does a little limp-wristed gesture at the two women at the end

Not unless "steamer" is some derogatory thing I'm not getting imo

^never been to cleveland

ha it really was the version i saw that was too much. i don't think he was even holding the mug making it clear he was a cat person

Should we start a "this is/is this homophobic" thread?

This is sexist: http://jezebel.com/5911226/republican-dudes-wont-let-dcs-female-delegate-speak-against-abortion-ban-in-the-district

I just... boggle, at shit like that. I dont know what else to say.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/06/im-not-your-wife-a-new-study-points-to-a-hidden-form-of-sexism/258057/

The anecdotes at the beginning are so o_O and you can just imagine some old business-looking dude in a suit mindlessly saying them

What's wrong w being sexy?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwnykb7bpO1r8q40po1_500.jpg

the thug seems to have NOB tattooed on his chest

what is this I don't even

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/07/03/510454/gop-state-senator-will-teach-brooklyn-women-to-act-like-ladies/

Women of Brooklyn, New York, State Senator Marty Golden (R) wants to turn you into proper ladies fit for employment.

As part of a summer series on career development directed at his female constituents, Golden is hosting a taxpayer-funded event called “Posture, Deportment and the Feminine Presence” on July 24. Golden promises to teach Bay Ridge women “the art of feminine presence,” which includes tips on how to “sit, stand and walk like a model” and “walk up and down a stair elegantly”:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Google-ChromeScreenSnapz038.png

Golden defended the workshop as simply a way to help women get jobs in a tough market. Countering this justification, State Sen. Liz Krueger (D-Manhattan) told City & State:

“Rather than passing legislation such as the Fair Pay Act to assist women in the workplace, the Senate Republicans appear to be offering career advice on posture and how to act feminine,” said Krueger, who hosted the Senate Democrats’ forum on issues affecting women in the workplace in May. “Perhaps this would be appropriate on Mad Men, but not in New York in the 21st century.“

Golden was the only Brooklyn senator to vote against New York’s same-sex marriage law.

Update

Golden’s website has deleted the above quotes from the event page.

from the article mh cited two weeks back:

"We found that employed husbands in traditional marriages, compared to those in modern marriages, tend to (a) view the presence of women in the workplace unfavorably, (b) perceive that organizations with higher numbers of female employees are operating less smoothly, (c) find organizations with female leaders as relatively unattractive, and (d) deny, more frequently, qualified female employees opportunities for promotion."

The studies showed that personal views and the domestic architecture of male leaders' private lives helped shape women's professional opportunities. This held true in both surveys and lab experiments, including one that tested whether candidates with identical backgrounds, but different names -- Drew versus Diane -- should receive a spot in a sought-after, company-sponsored MBA program. According to the research, men in traditional marriages gave Diane "significantly poor evaluations" compared to Drew. It seems that husbands with wives working at home imprinted that ideal onto women in the office.

I just want to rant a little about "manic pixie dream girl," first described by the yucky Nathan Rabin, and subject of this much yuckier video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBNss2PMj60

"The cause of the manic pixie dream girl is still little understood. Although my own theory is severe retardation of the brain."
Like I could say a lot of shit about this but I'm just going to say it's pesky. All those movies where they magic some creative type out of a funk, sure, it's played ººº but extending it to IRL I guess anyone with bangs and glasses is just too precious (=stupid?) to go on?

I mean I certainly don't believe that but it's the thesis of this video.

pesky sounds about right.

entire point of the stereotype is that it's a ridiculous reductive character type often written by men. using it as a stereotype for a real person makes no sense!

the sketch isn't about about actual people, though. it's a "what if?" gag that strands a common fantasy character type as a fish out of water in the real world. kind of like enchanted, but less forgiving. the point is that the fantasy is more irritating than charming, or would be in real life. unfortunately, it winds up being more sexist than trenchant, especially with that "severe retardation of the brain" bit at the end. shitty comedy is shitty.

P sure it's supposed to be about real coocoo ladies

I don't get all the Goldie Hawn hate.

xp

does drift in that direction at the end with the craft table conversation, which is just "lol, lib chicks say stupid shit"

prior to that it seemed to be mocking the fantasy

using it as a stereotype for a real person makes no sense!

I know an IRL mpdg. She's super manic -- super happy, skipping everywhere, singing to herself, etc. most of the time -- and then when something crosses her she switches in an instant to slamming doors, drama, etc. One weekend she spent all day blowing bubbles on the sidewalk, waiting for people to walk by and then in a fit of whimsy waving bubbles all around them. The weekend before that she set out sidewalk chalk and got all these strangers to draw on the sidewalk and on the road. She's an art student and doesn't have to pay rent and is living the outgoing eccentric pipe-dream.

It's annoying as hell most of the time, unless I'm in an extremely good mood, which I hardly am ever.

That's not a personality, that's a mental disorder or personality disorder!

It's annoying as hell most of the time, unless I'm in an extremely good mood, which I hardly am ever.

Guilty laugh that this p much nails my reaction to an absurdly large number of behavior.

I too have known some v mpdgish g's. Also otm re: Rabin; I was reading a bunch of those My Year of Flops and it was so horribly written! Like just super-obvious community college school paper arts section-quality "humor" but peppered with offensive throwaway jokes/generalizations

lol, one of the "related videos" on Abbbottt's link is Zooey D on Kimmel.

Anyway, some observations I've made on the MPDG's I've known that don't get translated into the movies:

• Some are lesbians. Always have been, always will be.
• They don't go after guys that are opposites in attempts to "change them". More often than not, they find a straight guy of similar inclination and lock them down to the degree of a common-law marriage with the odd case of eventual matrimony. Some of the most stable relationships I know involve these people.
• If they haven't done the above, they may latch on to a gay guy and go through many of the motions of a romantic relationship minus sex and such. I have a MPDG pal who just went through a breakup-esque episode because her "boyfriend" (who, might I add, is in a committed same-sex relationship) had to move far away for work.
• There are others that are just serious loners.

"real MPDG" sounds kind of like "real Stepin Fetchit"

wtf is happening here

just make something up and flip out about it

It's suddenly a slow time for sexism in America.

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=123877

? buncha ppl complaining about automatic subscriber renewal on a dating site?

i was gonna link geek2geek but figured this was an easier way

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/pixies.jpg

undoubtedly sexist

how can a site as big as Buzzfeed get away with this?

http://i.imgur.com/gMrbp.png

This is like one of the biggest sites on the internet with like advertisers in like a legit, non-Chan/non-Reddit capacity right? Or do i have my understanding of Buzzfeed wrong?

I thought buzzfeed was mostly goofy videos and list articles?

fucking internet

don't those guys own spin now?

Is Mordy circling the drain?

Did Anyone See Mordy's List of Definitive Hardcore Albums?

anyway, I used buzzfeed for a while but they kinda have no quality control at all for some reason. I got tired of reading articles by bigoted idiots that had gotten buzzed up somehow.

https://twitter.com/jamestaranto/status/227954449191153665

That guy, and most of the people responding affirmatively to him, are disgusting.

lmao he actually describes it as a "challenging tweet"

I'm not sure about sexist but it's misogynistic all right.

"challenging twit" obvs

Wait, I didn't mean to say that, I was thinking of something else. Obvs it is sexist as several fucks.

just saw the 'camry' ad

http://toyotagoodmove.com/

what in the fuck

uh.jpg

Good thing he chose to marry that car

is that sexist?

camry couldnt afford kristin wiig so they made a composite of four of her characters & then got a gifted class 7th grader to put the word "cheese" in it

pfft gifted class 7th graders would know better

More of an "Is this sexist?" than a "this is sexist":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hJfBM2sRkQ

I ask because, although I find this fairly amusing, I can't help the feeling that BMW expects us to laugh at the little woman -- when in fact pretty much anyone without significant motorsport experience would freaking out at least that hard.

Well, they're both pretty little.

Well, the guy wasn't being an arse, he was informative and never once tried the "This'll make her scream if i do THIS!" biz.

Rule of thumb: "Top Gear" would not do this, it's not 'sexist' enough.

Guess where I found the video, Mark.

Youtube.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/bmw-racer-takes-wife-around-nurburgring-2012-09-26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP9DIablJb0

It burns, don't it?

I was playing a "School" themed TOTP2 to the girls, I've mentioned a couple of tracks' responses in other threads. Yesterday, this one came up and Alice was all "awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww......"

This morning, she found the above and we all laughed a bit. Then she found the original and played it in full, and we were all "can you stop now or we leave the room?"

friend sent me this story
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/23/living/oprah-woman-work-skills/index.html?hpt=hp_bn11

comment of note: I think the way CNN and other feminist media outlets talk about women it sounds like they border on retarded. They have millions of organizations designed to help only them, numerous days and months on the calendar to remind them they matter, and CNN is licking their carpets every day. If women are as capable as men, why do they need all this help. The gender gap when researched correctly shows that men with kids out earn women with or without kids, and out earn men without kids. Maybe women don't get it that men in their prime are made for workin. Sorry feminists, can't blame discrimination for everything.

/dies

"licking their carpets"?

oral sex probably but it sounds like they don't know how to do it

ladies lick carpets, only whores munch rug!

...I dunno just trying to wrong some humor from that disgusting and bizarre comment.

*wring, damn Freud and his slips.

re: a friend just gave his car a 'typical black female name', i don't know what to think of it.

well, what was the name?

the whole explanation is in the 'is this racist' thread.

van horn honking

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/12/melissa-nelson-dental-assistant-fired-for-being-irresistible-is-devastated/

This is making me sick to my stomach. Idiots still saying "well we don't know all the facts" on the comments page (when in fact, we do, because the case went to TRIAL, dumbshits).

Someone is within their rights to terminate an employee because of a perceived threat to their marriage that is projected by the employer himself, a case in which he clearly made some of the first sexual advances, and this is not gender-bias? Whether it's a right-to-work state or not, this should not be legal.

I hope that employer's flaccid penis is bitten off by a mutant gecko and tossed into the woods, never to be seen again.

I seriously feel like starting a Kickstarter campaign to help Melissa Nelson fight this to the national level. This is so wrong, and so illegal. “Our position has always been Mrs. Nelson was never terminated because of her gender, she was terminated because of concerns her behavior was not appropriate in the workplace. She’s an attractive lady. That's a crime ladies, looking too good. That's bad behavior. Especially if the kangaroo court judging you is all male. In Iowa, that's evidently carte blanche for firing any woman who works in an office with men. Especially if your choice of clothing is "causing" them to get boners.

Oh, "the couple consulted with a senior pastor at their church and he agreed that Nelson should be terminated in order to protect their marriage". Protect their marriage, my ass. The only threat to their marriage is his hyperjealous wife. (My entire childhood was pulverized in order to "protect" my parents' marriage - it didn't work even in that respect - but I can't help but clench my teeth in rage whenever I hear that phrase used to cover up rude behavior or worse).

In the meantime we can send out notices to all of Dr. Knight's female patients regarding his ethics (hey, why not his male patients while we're at it too?), to alert any potential patients that their appearance may "distract" Dr. Knight who may drill into your gums or lips if he finds your eyes too enticing or your boobs too large.

This is beyond sickening.

I just read the entire state supreme court judgment, which is a little brief as it refers to the district court's summary judgment as shorthand on a few occasions, but it widely cites prior cases. Whether that is in order to clarify a lack of specificity in the law, or due to caution, I'm not sure.

The court's decision seems to try a little hard to be gender-blind -- I don't know whether this is due to a mindset change after the same court was one to affirm the legality of same-sex marriage. Most of the court was not retained two years ago, with only one person remaining who affirmed that decision. I don't know that this means this decision was politicized, but it definitely sets a tone for discrimination cases.

If anything, I think the inability to strongly cite a state law was the issue, combined with a reticence to apply existing law due to a conflict between sex/gender and the other issues on the table. The laws are completely based on an inequal judgment of a plaintiff according to gender -- in the court's eyes, all of the plaintiff's peers were also women. It seems to strongly point to the fact, although unstated, that there could have been a male dental hygienist who could have had the exact same treatment. Was the issue here in that the pervo dentist was attracted to women? Yes. But he didn't treat her differently because she was a woman, according to the decision, but because he acted inappropriately due to his perceived attraction. The gender discrimination laws are not the same as the harassment laws, and this case drew the line by not claiming harassment.

So, basically, there need to be better, more intelligently-worded laws about workplace discrimination and what you can be fired for, but I think this is more an issue of it being a position of at-will employment.

So I'd say: Pervo dentist and his wife are sexist and jerks and their marriage sucks, the state laws could use a tune-up, and at-will employment means this shit happens because you could pretty much make up any excuse and fire someone, as long as it doesn't violate any laws. It'd be a much different case if it was about harassment or a perceived hostile workplace, but that wasn't the case brought, probably because the dental hygienist was slightly creeped out but, in her perception, still had a reasonable non-sexual friendly status with her boss, up until the point she was fired. So, sexist, but I kind of feel like the state supreme court's hands were tied.

Why was this in state court? I'm assuming the employer had too few employees for federal sex discrimination law to be applicable?

guys there's something I just need to get off my chest

A new fad on campus I've noticed is the lack of pants women are wearing. Well, maybe not a total lack of pants, but pretty close. I am referring to leggings. Initially leggings were meant to be worn underneath another garment such as a skirt or for a little extra warmth. Yet, for some reason women have gone from using it as a supporting piece of clothing to the only garment they wear to cover their lower extremities. I have a few problems with this.

First off, women enjoy, ignore, or are completely unaware of the fact men, like me, are enjoying the show. Come on! When I see a girl with leggings, it's like I am seeing her naked. I can see every curve, from the slope of the calf muscle, to the rise in the hump that we like to call the lovely lady lump. Now being a ‘leg man' myself, I must say for those who have some of the finest legs I've ever seen, I don't mind looking. You are, after all, kind of bringing it on yourself. However, for the ladies whose strong point may not be their legs, please, don't wear leggings. Which leads me to my second problem.

To the unfortunate ladies who haven't been blessed with beautiful legs: lose the leggings.

They are not getting you looks of affection, if that's what you're striving for. In fact, they are probably getting the opposite; looks of disgust, or guys just simply turning the other way. Guys and girls, whether you like to accept it or not, are judging you.

This leads me to my third problem with these blasted leggings. Ladies you're being judged. I can't stress that enough. For us men, if you look good in leggings, we say, "She's lookin' fine!" The next thought for many of us, if we are gentlemen, is, "Wow, I wonder if she gets around." A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. Most gentlemen like a girl who is a little more modest. She knows she's sexy, but doesn't have to show it off. There are very few girls who have figured this concept out. If we see less; we tend to want more.

If this is not convincing enough for you ladies, let me ask you a question. How would you view yourself if you were another person? Imagine this:

You see yourself walking down the street, wearing a backpack and t-shirt. Then, you find yourself rather attractive, and check yourself out. What do you see? Not jeans, or short-shorts, but leggings, which are hiding nothing! Now what do you think you look like? Sounds like a risky investment. Would you walk around naked in front of the whole campus?

You could have envisioned yourself one of three ways. The first is like an attractive woman trying to show off. Maybe you're trying to get some attention, which, you hope will boost your meager self-esteem. Sadly though, the attention you receive isn't going to boost your self-esteem. Instead it will only tear it down more when you realize people are snickering.

Or, you simply realize that you don't look good in leggings. Congratulations! Now focus on your best attribute and accentuate it. I'm not saying you should become overly expressive in other areas, but now that you have realized you're not flattering anyone with your legs, you can either fix that problem or hide it.

Finally, for the lucky few who actually figured modesty out, you have earned yourself a golden star! Whether you have the most attractive legs in the world, or are simply an average girl realizing that leggings aren't helping the cause, you have learned the most important lesson today: leggings are a supporting piece of clothing, and gentlemen will want you whether or not you're showing off your beautiful body. Remember, less is more.

who is this guy giving out fashion tips and what does he look like

Thank you for this article! As a female, I totally agree that leggings are not meant to be pants, no matter how sexy your body is. I appreciate your male perspective and the fact that you value modesty!

I appreciate your male perspective

Jesus fucking CHRIST

oh boy, MODESTY

"less is more" is a really confusing moral to this story

less clothing?

It's at times like these, the great heaven knows...

ZACH NOLD IS A SOPHOMORE ENGLISH AND TEACHING MAJOR. REACH HIM AT ZACHN✧✧✧@DAILYNEBRAS✧✧✧.C✧✧

Other ppl judging you based on your appearance is a fact of life; everyone knows this already. The best thing you can do if you want to break the judgment cycle is to keep your judgments to yourself; writing a stupid "I can't help but ogle you unless you wear pants" article is never available solution.

A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation. A good, tight pair of jeans will make you ladies feel sexy and take the judging out of the equation.

k3v otm

That was supposed to be "a viable"

I don't know why but I read that first sentence in comedy trailer voiceover voice xxxxp

ZACH NOLD IS ABOUT TO FIND OUT

Whether you have the most attractive legs in the world, or are simply an average girl realizing that leggings aren't helping the cause, you have learned the most important lesson today: Whether you have the most attractive legs in the world, or are simply an average girl realizing that leggings aren't helping the cause, you have learned the most important lesson today: Whether you have the most attractive legs in the world, or are simply an average girl realizing that leggings aren't helping the cause, you have learned the most important lesson today: Whether you have the most attractive legs in the world, or are simply an average girl realizing that leggings aren't helping the cause, you have learned the most important lesson today: Whether you have the most attractive legs in the world, or are simply an average girl realizing that leggings aren't helping the cause, you have learned the most important lesson today:

Obviously, with this restriction our Founding Fathers disenfranchised many people based on their race and gender, none of which was right. But they understood a concept that should be applied to today’s voting system. Only if you contribute to the betterment of a country can you vote in its elections.

This guy is a treasure trove of horribleness: http://www.dailynebraskan.com/opinion/article_372f6bca-2249-11e2-ab30-0019bb30f31a.html

Guy's noticed some leggings, what's the beef

hey look a conservative

http://noldwriting.blogspot.com/

Opinion Column 2012 NOLD: With simplified tax plan and economic benefits for all, ‘FairTax’ is a no-brainer

Opinion Column 2012 NOLD: Free speech shapes the world, should be fought for

Opinion Column 2012 NOLD: Voting is a privilege for contributing members of society

Opinion Column 2012 NOLD: United States needs to stand up for itself

Opinion Column 2012 Concealed weapons on campus create safer atmosphere

and a poem:

Naked Pain Heroes

lmao @ Naked Pain Heroes

Zachary Nold ‏@ZachNold
Here is my new column on feminism! NOLD: Feminism hurts modern-day relationships http://www.dailynebraskan.com/opinion/article_1b6e3d68-7c8e-11e2-a370-001a4bcf6878.html#.USfHJOpU2RY.twitter … via @@dailyneb

fantastic opening sentence there

How is this a real person and not onion?

Gliding with no precise movements,
boil flashed monarchs howl profanities like a purring kitten.

^YES

dailyneb

The next thought for many of us, if we are gentlemen, is, "Wow, I wonder if she gets around."

How gentlemanly.

it's only gentlemanly.

xpost!

Zach Nold probably thinks the taxes his parents pay entitles him to a vote, right?

http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/dailynebraskan.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/c9/0c9fb926-009f-11e2-8e4b-001a4bcf6878/5056dadf10dbe.image.jpg

Gliding with no precise movements (5),
boil flashed monarchs howl profanities like a purring kitten (8).

http://i47.tinypic.com/2ylmxxc.png

boil flashed monarchs howl profanities like a purring kitten

Kitties don't even talk like that.

man that guy's other editorials are just...they're exactly what i expected, actually

one weird trick to reading a nold article: click and drag the picture so that his face bounces on top of words you're reading, singalong style

this is one of the stupidest things i have ever read in my entire life

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/opinion/article_372f6bca-2249-11e2-ab30-0019bb30f31a.html

dude's an english major; what exactly does he think he's contributing to society

http://favstar.fm/users/zachnold

Feminism has met its goals and women are now equal with men as they should be. We are truly beginning to see feminism change our economy, college campuses and relationships. However, an overreaching has begun to happen through feminism whether or not they realize it.

Feminism has achieved what it was set out to do, and now that women are considered equal, ‘feminists’ want more. The movement is ruining modern relationships, and it’s bringing about the downfall of men. This can easily be seen by the numbers on a college campus and in the modern economy.

okay the leggings thing was o_O enough, but that one sheesh

congrats ladies

Putin howled profanities "like a kitten"

should introduce him and marc loi

otm

that we like to call the lovely lady lump

as equal with men as they should be

If we see less; we tend to want more.

his editor not only fails at preventing his garbage from being published, but also fails at preventing catastrophic semicolon fiascos.

this guy makes me sad to be a zach. step up your game, nebraska zach.

So, they continue to push against the ‘evil man’ until they can push no further.

Come over by this cliff, I have to show you something. It's really cool.

CIS-kill cliff

In this day and age, it’s usually the parent’s choices (exception: rape) that created the kid in the first place.

i am picturing him pausing and raising a finger, "exception: rape," magnanimous, graciously allowing the possibility that ~sometimes~ children aren't choices, and now i am picturing clenching all the blood out of my fists

yeah that was awfully big of him to make that exception

the lesson here of course is that college newspapers are a repository for the absolute worst people on the planet

obv

tho dollars:donuts ilx is home to a great deal of former collegiate journos

ha yeah no shame in that, i wrote for my school paper briefly too. HATED IT

Sir, voting is a right of every citizen. It does not matter if you are a 'contributing' citizen, because the moment you put qualifications on voting then you've opened to door wide open to tyranny, bcz who the fuck decides who 'contributes'? Some fuckwad like you? Not in my country, you don't.

yeah that bit jumped out at me as well. what a fucker.