Silver Jews: Classic or dud

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ok, for some reason I always go through the same schizophrenic swing when I hear something new by the Joos, from "this is terrible" to "I love this" to "eh". Except American Water, Starlite Walker, and Natural Bridge, of course...

iago g., Tuesday, 17 June 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think he sounds bad at all on that pitchfork show. I actually liked the songs better live.

circa1916, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 02:14 (fifteen years ago) link

all my favorites singers couldn't sing

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 02:16 (fifteen years ago) link

really, you didn't think his voice sounded hi-lariously offkey and weird? kind of like a baritone rosanne barr singing the star spangled banner

:D

Lowell N. Behold'n, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 06:20 (fifteen years ago) link

haven't watched the clips in question yet, but I definitely thought there were points on the last album where his voice sounded ten times worse than it ever had before. could just be that he finally decided to raise it above a mumble, though.

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 18 June 2008 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

what the shit?

Socktor Duperman (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

whoa

J0hn D., Friday, 23 January 2009 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link

whaaaat???

ice cr?m, Friday, 23 January 2009 03:59 (fifteen years ago) link

wow

badg, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link

My life has been riddled with Ibsenism.

PLODwyn pig more like (get bent), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:08 (fifteen years ago) link

am i crazy or is that second post ten times more wtf than the band breaking up?

Clay, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:10 (fifteen years ago) link

i kinda prefer it when artists announce they're done, rather than just disappearing

Cooking From A Stovetop (electricsound), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:10 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.bermanexposed.org/

yeesh, no wonder db was suicidal.

PLODwyn pig more like (get bent), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link

"what you have become is a major tool... for corporate america." - from 60 minutes.

PLODwyn pig more like (get bent), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link

That's nuts. It's kind of strange how he felt the need to confess it "now that the Joos are over." I don't see why he couldn't reveal it before and I don't know why he feels the need to reveal it now.

Joe Bob 1 Tooth (Hurting 2), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:23 (fifteen years ago) link

hmmm (from an old pitchfork interview)

I've never gotten a grant. Well, that's not true. I had a fellowship to go to graduate school. I never had to pay for tuition while I was there and teaching paid your other living expenses. My father paid for my undergraduate tuition. There's this famous story in my family of when my father took me out to eat when I was 18. I had been too lazy to apply to college so he'd had his secretary apply for me late. To the University of Texas and the University of Virginia (because I romanticized Virginia as a kid).

Well, I got into both (Texas was automatic). The tuition difference was large. UT back then was $350 a semester. Virginia was, what $12,000 a year? My dad likes to make games of things. He told me he wanted me to go to UT so I'd be closer to home and said that if I went to UVA he'd pay my tuition but that would be it until death. And four years of health insurance, I guess. Instead, if I chose Texas he'd pay for that plus give me the difference between the two schools' tuitions to live on. I am frankly amazed I chose Virginia. I don't remember my reasoning.

I worked in the morgue at the UVA hospital all through college to pay my rent. In the 15 years since I've graduated he's loaned me $5,000 two times when I was in trouble. The first one in my 20s, which he kindly absolved, and a second one last year trying to get back on my feet. I still owe him that one and I hope this album will enable me to pay him back because he holds it over my head every single time we get into an argument.

I guess I should add that he did pay for my rehab, which I let him, figuring at the time it was his fucking idea, and what did I care?

velko, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:37 (fifteen years ago) link

woah. he has a book of drawings out on drag city in a couple of months. i liked the new lp but it'd be real sad if it turned into some morrissey thing where people twanged along in the background while he spat bermanisms.

schlump, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Jeezus. And I thought my dad was bad.

the maximum value that ZS obtains given its constraint is 8 (Z S), Friday, 23 January 2009 04:42 (fifteen years ago) link

All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues

Clay, Friday, 23 January 2009 04:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i cant call myself the biggest joos fan, but berman is a very gifted writer and, judging from various interviews, a smart and interesting guy. hope he sorts his shit out :/

Socktor Duperman (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 January 2009 05:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Silver Jews End-Lead Singer Bids his Well-Wishers Adieu

Hello, my friend.

Cassie and I went to the cave and it looks great. 58 degrees but the humidity makes it feel like 72.

I'm just going to play fifteen songs. My fifteen favorite ones.

A dollar per song. Plus Arnett Hollow. I don't want to keep you underground for too long. Fall Creek Falls State Park State Lodge is great by the way.

Yes I cancelled the South American shows. I'll have to see the ABC Countries another way.

I guess I am moving over to another category. Screenwriting or Muckraking.

I've got to move on. Can't be like all the careerists doncha know.

I'm forty two and I know what to do.

I'm a writer, see?

Cassie is taking it the hardest. She's a fan and a player but she sees how happy i am with the decision.

I always said we would stop before we got bad. If I continue to record I might accidentally write the answer song to Shiny Happy People.

What, you thought I was going to hang on to the bitter end like Marybeth Hamilton?

love david

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DCB

Joined: 19 Jan 2008
Posts: 47
Location: Nashville

My Father, My Attack Dog

Now that the Joos are over I can tell you my gravest secret. Worse than suicide, worse than crack addiction:

My father.

You might be surprised to know he is famous, for terrible reasons.

My father is a despicable man. My father is a sort of human molestor.

An exploiter. A scoundrel. A world historical motherfucking son of a bitch. (sorry grandma)

You can read about him here.

www.bermanexposed.org

My life is so wierd. It's allegorical to the nth. My father went to college at Transylvania University.

You see what I'm saying.

A couple of years ago I demanded he stop his work. Close down his company or I would sever our relationship.

He refused. He has just gotten worse. More evil. More powerful. We've been "estranged" for over three years.

Even as a child I disliked him. We were opposites. I wanted to read. He wanted to play games.

He is a union buster.

When I got out of college I joined the Teamsters (the guards were union organized at the Whitney).

I went off to hide in art and academia.

I fled through this art portal for twenty years. In the mean time my Dad started a very very bad company called Berman and Company.

He props up fast food/soda/factory farming/childhood obesity and diabetes/drunk driving/secondhand smoke.

He attacks animal lovers, ecologists, civil action attorneys, scientists, dieticians, doctors, teachers.

His clients include everyone from the makers of Agent Orange to the Tanning Salon Owners of America.

He helped ensure the minimum wage did not move a penny from 1997-2007!

The worst part for me as a writer is what he does with the english language.

Though vicious he is a doltish thinker

and his spurious editorials rely on doublethink and always with the Lashon Hara.

As I studied Judaism over the years, the shame and the shanda,

grew almost too much. my heart was constantly on fire for justice. I could find no relief.

This winter I decided that the SJs were too small of a force to ever come close to

undoing a millionth of all the harm he has caused. To you and everyone you know.

Literally, if you eat food or have a job, he is reaching you.

I've always hid this terrible shame from you, the fan. The SJs have always stood autonomous and clear.

Hopefully it won't contaminate your feelings about the work.

My life has been riddled with Ibsenism. In a way I am the son of a demon come to make good the damage.

Previously I thought, through songs and poems and drawings I could find and build a refuge away from his world.

But there is the matter of Justice.

And i'll tell you it's not just a metaphor. The desire for it actually burns.

It hurts.

There needs to be something more. I'll see what that might be.

DCB

if you want to know what evil Herr Attackdog is currently up to look here:

http://www.alternet.org/workplace/120426/ad_wars:_'dr._evil'_vs._unions_over_employee_free_choice_act/)

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:55 (fifteen years ago) link

for posterity's sake.

(*゚ー゚)θ L(。・_・)   °~ヾ(・ε・ *) (Steve Shasta), Friday, 23 January 2009 16:56 (fifteen years ago) link

awwwww. :(

sean gramophone, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:00 (fifteen years ago) link

i hate my father
i hate my father
hate my father
On disowning my father

velko, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:13 (fifteen years ago) link

not to get all grand proclamation but this is a loss to song in general - his are/were great, and if he's really not going to write any more of them, the craft is diminished somewhat. the available supply of awesome drops.

I am bummed out. I look up to this guy, he sets a standard of writing one can aspire to.

J0hn D., Friday, 23 January 2009 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah def a top 5 alive lyricist for me

crackers is biters (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

:(

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Friday, 23 January 2009 21:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, this is sad, if true ... Not a whole bunch of songwriters his age or younger out there who so obviously put a lot of care into their lyrics (J0hn D. being a notable exception). Might be a lofty thing to say, but he's up there in the tradition of Dylan, Cohen, etc. Didn't think his last couple albums were his best work, but I had the feeling he still had a classic or two left in him.

tylerw, Friday, 23 January 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Berman's dad is the guy behind all those front groups you see represented as the voice of reason on Penn and Teller's show Bullshit!

bats in a kayak! (latebloomer), Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link

"In 1984 I was hospitalized for approaching perfection/Slowly screwing my way across Europe they had to make a correction" has to be one of my favorite opening couplets ever. Shucks.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:04 (fifteen years ago) link

^ seriously.

bats in a kayak! (latebloomer), Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

"Boy wants a car from his Dad
Dad says, first you gotta cut that hair.
Boy says, "hey Dad Jesus had long hair"
and Dad says
that's right son, Jesus walked everywhere."

from "the frontier index" (I think) was the first Silver Jews track I heard and that's still one of my favouritest lyrics.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:20 (fifteen years ago) link

this rainy weekend seems like a perfect time for the natural bridge.

PLODwyn pig more like (get bent), Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Had a feeling this was coming. I'm glad you've made a decision you're happy with DCB. Hope you get to punch your dad in the face some day.

mumps (iiiijjjj), Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:36 (fifteen years ago) link

When I saw his note I wanted to say - the joy that his music and writing have brought me outweighs any harm his father may have caused me. Because it's true, though I suppose in the scheme of things I'm probably a special case. I haven't had a minimum wage job since before 1997. All you can hope for is that he finds some peace and happiness in whatever he does next I guess.

Mark, Saturday, 24 January 2009 01:43 (fifteen years ago) link

his father harmed you?

BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe try reading the post?

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:35 (fifteen years ago) link

uh

BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:39 (fifteen years ago) link

or just the thread in general?

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:41 (fifteen years ago) link

i think im coming off as a dick here so i apologize, but i must have missed something

BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:44 (fifteen years ago) link

no, you're not coming off as a dick, but it's just that there are links here to things about Berman's dad being a douche lobbyist behind fronts that oppose union rights, minimum wage laws, obesity awareness etc. so dude is saying that David has had more of a positive impact than his douchey dad's possible impact. There's not much more to get there?

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:48 (fifteen years ago) link

more of a positive impact to him.

Women can be captains too, you know? (jim), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:49 (fifteen years ago) link

doink. thx

BIGrack HOOSein Obama (k3vin k.), Saturday, 24 January 2009 02:50 (fifteen years ago) link

dcb should join the family business.. and then destroy it from the inside.

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link

(glib revenge fantasies aside, i wish him the best)

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Saturday, 24 January 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

So, do any of y'all have tickets to this thing in McMinnville, TN?

roxymuzak, Friday, 30 January 2009 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

My friend Rachel's going. I expect she'll be taking pictures.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 January 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link

This really makes me hate myself for not going to see him when he was in the area.

circa1916, Friday, 30 January 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link


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