Israel to World: "Suck It."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-was-hamas-thinking

this is remarkable

We asked Abu Marzouk if this bloody assault had achieved anything, aside from incurring devastating Israeli reprisals. “This is the first time that the Palestinians are crossing the borders and fighting in their historic land,” he insisted. “Israel used to wage war against us outside its borders, to kill us and imprison us. Now it’s the opposite. Now the future Israeli generations will know they can’t continue to occupy the Palestinians—they can’t continue their wars forever.” He added, “This is the biggest achievement.”

I picked out the same final paragraph to quote but you beat me to it. Its inclusion slyly allows multiple readings, but it would appear to apply far more to Israel than Hamas, which hasn't a prayer of imposing its will through violence.

Oops! The final paragraph:

More than twenty-five years ago, the New Yorker writer Mary Anne Weaver visited Abu Marzouk [current Hamas political leader] at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. He told her, “If you read history, you know that violence only breeds violence: imposing your will through muscle, through force, is no solution.” He added, “You’ve got to compromise; you’ve got to understand each other. If you use muscle alone, perhaps you’re a temporary winner, but in the long run you are a loser.”

Yeah I picked the penultimate para as a summation here. You'd think this fascist Israeli government could ultimately protect its people by occupation and keeping an open air prison. It could not do it.

something tells me we won’t be hearing a lot from that guy in the future

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/us/muslim-boy-stabbed-landlord-chicago.html

wtf is going on in this world

One thing Mao got right.

was about to say: among the white guys Chris Hayes is by far the best critical thinker, but I can sense when he hangs fire and lets Hasan, etc. do the talking for him (strategy, etc).

― hat trick of trashiness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, October 15, 2023 4:23 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, Sam Seder has said that Hayes brings him on the show to make points that Hayes can’t make himself

guy who stabbed that kid to death looks like a complete nutter, going to guess they're going to push for an insanity defense or dementia or something.

Biden says Hamas must be eliminated entirely, but 'there must be a path to a Palestinian state' https://t.co/LQjLaHUQyQ

— CNBC (@CNBC) October 16, 2023

*has been

it isn't really any different to the usual completely empty american support for a two-state solution. he even qualified it with something about how he didn't expect israel would take action there immediately or anything.

guy who stabbed that kid to death looks like a complete nutter

the fact that the photo of him on BBC still showing blood on his face is fucked up, if the even wasn't upsetting enough.

he even qualified it with something about how he didn't expect israel would take action there immediately or anything.

no worries if not

xp to self, *event

I've had a recommendation/request that, since this thread is several thousand posts long and Israel has entered a new phase of telling the world to suck it, this thread be locked and a new one started.

Agreed. Let's start sucking some more.

Can see the suction being out of sync if it gets too long. Israel having to up degree by which they suck accordingly.

https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1713918251955032122?s=20

This is @GhassanAbuSitt1, a surgeon who is currently saving the lives of Palestinians in a hospital in Gaza. He's just reported that counter terrorism police have showed up at his house in the UK and harrased his family.pic.twitter.com/GOvl5aQLHG https://t.co/bugmmZPAMM

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) October 16, 2023

Chotiner and Sari Bashi, the program director at Human Rights Watch:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-humanitarian-catastrophe-in-gaza

I've had a recommendation/request that, since this thread is several thousand posts long and Israel has entered a new phase of telling the world to suck it, this thread be locked and a new one started.

― WmC, Monday, October 16, 2023 8:08 AM

i request a less callous thread title too

TY. I was hesitant to say anything about it, but I don't think this kind of title does the situation any service.

As noted, I know numerous IRL people with Israeli flag avatars saying that they stand with Israel no matter what.

Plus I know IlXorz and others who almost uniformly condemn Israel as a brutal apartheid state that continues to use "but the Holocaust" as a laminated carte blanche for every atrocity the IDF wishes to commit. (There is a bit of a strawman in there but that's another topic for another time.)

I have met exactly zero people in between. I know it is not about me and/or my feelz. And I don't love "both sides"ing US politics either. The discourse is polarized and will remain so.

strange, because everyone I personally know is in between on this issue.

Same!

I request a less callous thread title as well.

It's a complex and difficult, tragic situation and people are hesitant to speak up ok this kind of thing with good reason.

Chotiner and Sari Bashi, the program director at Human Rights Watch:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/the-humanitarian-catastrophe-in-gaza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W43C8xhh5E

Sam & Emma interviewing Omar Shakir, Israel & Palestine Director at HRW this morning

I made a new thread
Israel, Palestine & the Levant rolling events: Oct 23 on