So Undeniable Taylor released yet another album ?
― Nabozo, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:22 (one year ago) link
love the intro, forks (but next time please no y/n spoilers), but it made me a bit nervous as well. I don’t want to get myself into hot legal water, so could I please retract my ballots if it’s not too late? between you and me, I can’t claim to have put them together in anything resembling a judicious manner, I’m afraid. I hang my head in shame.
― the shaker intro bit the shaker outro in the tail, hard (breastcrawl), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link
ufo/emily/breastcrawl: no spoilers. those are all artists who, in the course of 2022, had significant and spirited discussion on their respective performer or genre threads in ways that make them "more touted nominees"
undeniable taylor won the royal rumble over the weekend
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:24 (one year ago) link
Thank you so much for that brilliant intro, forks!
Poll will begin shortly!
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:25 (one year ago) link
I voted for none of the artists mentioned in the intro, feel like I'm slowly getting further and further away from ilm hivemind
― silverfish, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link
hopefully enough of us from without the hivemind imposed some sort of darklife on proceedings at least
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:32 (one year ago) link
We’ll start with a tie. I couldn’t for the life of me find a review in english for this album. Only placement in the poll with a review in non-english.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link
I'm pretty sure I did
― frogbs, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/dso4C84.png#76: Javiera Mena - Nocturna - 154 points - 6 votesjaviera mena
“Nocturna” es así, una excelente y bien armada producción realizada en pandemia y en la vuelta a la normalidad, donde afloran noches de bares y discotecas y también vestigios del encierro y vida entre Santiago de Chile y Madrid de Javiera.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:35 (one year ago) link
It wouldn't be an ILM EOY without her.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link
huh. virtually no talk on the thread either, though I don't suppose that will be the last such case
― rob, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:39 (one year ago) link
ooooh wouldya just look at those graphics? nice work, moka!
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:41 (one year ago) link
I think this Javiera Mena album had virtually no promotion. Super hard to find reviews of it online and almost no discussion which is weird considering how well regarded she is critically.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:45 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/HDRYa72.png#76: Arctic Monkeys - The Car - 154 points - 6 votesArctic Monkeys - The Car
The Sheffield band’s latest exists in some kind of kitsch pocket universe where people sit around in vintage Gucci watching Roger Moore James Bond movies for days on end, subsisting purely on irony.
With The Car as their preferred vehicle of choice, Alex Turner and co’s next journey is one of heartbreak and reflection, with a soothing undertone and the occasional foray into disco-era David Bowie for good measure.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:46 (one year ago) link
wow, this almost missed out! didn't vote for it or anything but it's the first of their albums i've genuinely liked
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:47 (one year ago) link
the only thing I listened to on The Car was "There'd Better Be a Mirrorball" which is some very odd Bowie pastiche if ever I've heard it
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
I thought the Javiera Mena graphic was Justin Bieber at first
― or something, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:51 (one year ago) link
Hahah it does look like bieber
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
tidal playlist is here: https://tidal.com/browse/playlist/fe7c7d5a-a866-45fb-879a-e77d27bc624e
― silverfish, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
I spent most of 2022 catching up on music from 2021, so I didn't vote in this poll. But I'm looking forward to get up to speed. Javiera Mena's 2010 album is an all-timer for me, so I'm excited to check this one out.
― jaymc, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:52 (one year ago) link
that's....just the album cover? lol
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
Huh, Arctic Monkeys? Really? Is this a notable departure for them or something?
― emil.y, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
I'm surprised The Car is so low, but then it is one that I consciously decided not to vote for because it wasn't really grabbing my attention and I assumed plenty of others would vote for it anyway
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:53 (one year ago) link
xp
it sounds a lot like their last one
unless it turns out moka is javiera mena's graphic designer too
it sounds like their last one but notably better imo
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
Lol, what was the last one? Was THAT a notable departure for them or something?
― emil.y, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
enjoying the Javiera Mena album, not really tempted to switch over to the arctic monkeys album
― silverfish, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
cover looks a Sam Prekop photo
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:54 (one year ago) link
Basically what I'm saying is that Arctic Monkeys as I know them are pretty bad, and I'm not sure why you'd expect them to place well in an ilx poll!
― emil.y, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
yeah they're basically austere lounge-pop now, nothing like the first few albums
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
this javiera mena album has a nice kpop bite to it which i'm v much enjoying
― nxd, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:55 (one year ago) link
Great intro!
The previous Javiera Mena album was a disappointment and she kind of fell off my radar after that. I only checked this one out after hearing the single on the playlist and seeing Monotony campaign for it. It's really great and was a late addition to my list. Nice to see her make it.
I thought the Arctic Monkeys album would be much higher. I heard it a few times at work and just thought it sounded like a bunch of Richard Hawley B-sides. I don't think I'll ever get the appeal of that band.
― kitchen person, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:56 (one year ago) link
6 votes for =76 doesn't fill me with much hope for the majority of my votes tho
― nxd, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:56 (one year ago) link
Oh, more like whatever Alex Turner's side project band was? Something about Shadow Puppets? I wasn't into that either, tbh.
xps
― emil.y, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link
Oh no! I didn’t do that album cover! lol as I explained in the voting thread:
For the album porting of the polls I always use the actual album covers with a template for info. This year the idea of using AI for both the album and tracks crossed my mind. But, using AI for the tracks proved to be too much time consuming and I wouldn’t have been able to start this poll today if done that way.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link
as i say, i wasn't sure about this direction at first but the songs are much stronger this time, something like 'sculptures of anything goes' was unthinkable even one album ago
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:57 (one year ago) link
anyway i'm not extremely invested in defending the arctic monkeys but given ilm leanings it's just surprising to see it this low. that's allllll
― imago, Monday, 30 January 2023 14:58 (one year ago) link
their last album came in at #30 in 2018
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
― nxd
I'm feeling this. I thought there might be a few surprise entries from my ballot low down but if it takes at least 6 votes to get in then, bleh, probably not.
― emil.y, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
I'm guessing there will be a lot of "shockingly low" comments as it was a pretty strong year overall.
― Chris L, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:00 (one year ago) link
The Arctic Monkeys album is a realization of what attempted on the last album, which I'd dismissed at the time and now I get, thanks to The Car.
I get not wanting to listen to them now.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link
Using AI was fun and all and there’s some results in that poll that I like even better than the actual artwork, but next year - if I’m around and invited to the eoy team - I’ll spend more time in the template instead of fooling around with ai lol.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link
not big on the monkeys but have checked these records out. shocking it was 4 years between?!i hadn't heard of Mena and I'm enjoying this
― maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:01 (one year ago) link
154 points is a more important variable than 6 votes, imo. Something with 2 second place votes could stomp it.
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/FOHolSF.png#75: Suede - Autofiction - 154 points - 7 votesSuede
Contently changing, constantly evolving and refusing to commit to one sound, Suede sound totally rejuvenated, opening a fresh chapter in the ever-evolving story of the band.
Already described in interviews by vocalist and songwriter-in-chief Brett Anderson as the band’s punk record, Autofiction represents a vast departure musically from Suede’s last record, 2018’s The Blue Hour. Yet at the same time, it easily identifies as a Suede album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:02 (one year ago) link
I've been hearing two Arctic Monkeys songs on the radio, one sounds like Spacehog and the other sounds like Supergrass. Maybe 11-year-old me would've liked them.
― fleeting art that floats! (geoffreyess), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:03 (one year ago) link
Oh wait, I might be mixing up this scoring with other polls'scoring. xp
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Monday, 30 January 2023 15:03 (one year ago) link
Moka - having played around with AI images a tiny bit myself I can imagine it would take way more time than your normal way of doing things! There's so much tweaking you have to do to get a good result.
― emil.y, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:04 (one year ago) link
Suede brought it so hard live this year. First time I'd ever seen them.
― Chris L, Monday, 30 January 2023 15:04 (one year ago) link
i guess 'sophistication' is the alchemy by which the relaxing becomes the mindblowing and despite posting here for 17 years i haven't really quite gotten it yet. more Steely Dan required
― imago, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:39 (one year ago) link
going to use this opportunity to ask whether anyone has any idea what time signature is used on "I Am Damo Suzuki" as the internet seems to have no answer to this.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:45 (one year ago) link
no i do get why this MM album is an interesting artistic move. rather than letting it rip in an improvisatory and sonically open-ended setting, these are attempts at control and composition and that is ofc valuable; quite a few of them seem to work rather well. it is ofc my own prejudice in favour of sonic extravagance that sees me hark back to the 'wilder' stuff he did before, but as a fan of eloquent composition i'm equally happy to hear jazz that works within tighter bounds. that comet is coming album was a good example of something that worked within simple-ish (although still discursive) song-structures but had the sonic oomph i'm after. helped that it was basically a techno album lol
what are you talking about? mcraven was hardly a free jazz guy and his work process was always assembling loops from session and constructing records going back to in the moment. i feel like you just make shit up sometimes.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link
it seems like two different parts in 4/4 that don't quite sync up with each other
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:53 (one year ago) link
but there is an underlying rhythm behind both of them, somewhere, I can feel it
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
I mean both drums and the guitar parts
i think it's in 4/4 with the occasional bar in 3 thrown in
― sault bae (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
maybe for the drums - but also bear in mind the guitar parts, they sound completely out of sync but there is some sort of underlying rhythm behind both.
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:04 (one year ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 16:50 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
i get that 'universal beings' was a studio creation too but it definitely feels much looser (and at times noisier) than the new one, to me! forgive me if they are made exactly the same way
― imago, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:12 (one year ago) link
i mean this has a different feel, but i think that's the mark of a great artist, a lot of his albums have different a different character to a degree but they all feel very of a piece (imo)
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:16 (one year ago) link
The drums are in 4/4, the guitar is sometimes synced up in a straightforward 4/4 phrase and sometimes phasing or off.. if it was a more recent album I'd guess it was done on a computer or a sampler, since way easier to chop an odd loop or slide things around than play it. Maybe just an intentionally odd use of a delay or misaligned tape?
xp I know there's a thread for asking what time signature something is but I can't find it
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
Yeah MM's whole thing is chopping up pieces of live recordings and studio sessions to make his records, they've always been a blend of live & constructed. Some were definitely more lo-fi for sure.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:23 (one year ago) link
off to start a new poll: cutest time signature
i'm voting 3/4 because awwwwwwww look how funny he walks but he's still able to do it!! great job, friend!
― "i'm grateful." (Austin), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:25 (one year ago) link
On "Damo Suzuki" I think what's happening is that the drum pattern is off a half-beat from the bass and guitar line. They're all in 4/4 but out of sync. But also the guitar and bass wander around a lot, not in a time signature way but in a "not always on the beat" way.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:26 (one year ago) link
If you get the chance to see MM live, you may see him in a noisier, freer mode (you also may not). When I saw him last summer, I was a bit surprised that his band opened with an AACM "little instruments" style free improv — that might've been mostly down to the presence of Junius Paul, who iirc is an active AACM member, but as ums said it's testament to his impressive range, skill, and sensitivity as an artist & collaborator. Anyway, very little of what they played that night sounded much like any of the albums.
This discussion prompted me to listen to In These Times on headphones yesterday for the first time in a while — in partial defense of imago I do think it's easy to slip into thinking of this extremely pretty album as background music, and I'd gotten into the habit of playing it primarily during dinner with friends — and there were details in the mix I hadn't noticed before. The soft beauty of the album is built out of intricate materials
― rob, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:33 (one year ago) link
Hadn't thought of this before, but the difference between the titles In the Moment and In These Times strikes me as significant for the differing approaches taken, even merely at the banal level of how long he worked on the latter
― rob, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
tipsy mothra, that's how I hear it as well
xxp
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link
For whatever it’s worth, the new one felt a lot more inviting to me than Universal Beings did - but maybe I’ve changed.
― The Triumphant Return of Bernard & Stubbs (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:26 (one year ago) link
in these times he definitely leans more into orchestration, the strings and harp, sort of david axelrod vibes that make it feel unique in his catalog
If you get the chance to see MM live, you may see him in a noisier, freer mode (you also may not). When I saw him last summer, I was a bit surprised that his band opened with an AACM "little instruments" style free improv
interesting, the one time i saw him was a the walker art center and he was playing this composed piece that spliced in spoken word/interviews from civil rights activists with a sort of meditative art film presentation that had been created for the show, i think this might have been a one-off performance though
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:27 (one year ago) link
When I saw him last it was a trio with Junius Paul and a guitarist, tons of polyrhythmic drumming and soloing. Missed him with a larger group (at a larger venue) last time but I heard it was fantastic and intense.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 18:31 (one year ago) link
ILM's Top 77 Tracks of 2022: 17th Anniversary Edition
― POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 February 2023 05:55 (one year ago) link
slowly working my way through the spotify list.
so far
love and knew it
real liesbig thiefthe soft pink truthmakaya mccraven
love it and didn't know it before
sudan archivesjunior boys (this is not what i thought they were like, i guess i thought they were like basement jaxx or something?)dawn richards & spencer zahn
like itrosaliaSZAbeyoncethe beths (i think future me hates me is always gonna be "the one" for me)
not for me
charlotte adigery & bolis pupal
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:09 (one year ago) link
The latest Junior Boys album is a bit of a shift for them, they were more moody synth-pop before (so never really like Basement Jaxx)
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:15 (one year ago) link
may have confused junior boys with vague memories of junior senior
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:20 (one year ago) link
i should’ve voted for the asake album
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 15:36 (one year ago) link
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, February 15, 2023 9:20 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
haha i think that's it
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
I think junior boys may be junior senior's children?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link
no that's junior senior jr.
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link
I was today years old when I learned that Senior co-wrote and co-produced Born This Way...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
if senior was born this way, does that mean that junior was born that way too?(sorry, we’re having a bit of a lull on the tracks rollout thread)
― let us now celebrate ama ‘piano’ smith & the clowns (breastcrawl), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:22 (one year ago) link
I just learned that a month or so ago!
― unknown blues singer (morrisp), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:35 (one year ago) link
their sound is clearly junior boys' own thing
― maf you one two (maffew12), Wednesday, 15 February 2023 17:37 (one year ago) link