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i can't believe this one hasn't been done yet.

gareth, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I agree, Gareth - I've meant to do it myself. But forgive me for saying that C/D and S/D may not be the most interesting approach. Even people who hate the sound of Suede (and their number is legion) may well agree that they were 'significant'. So - I think there's a discussion to be had that's not particularly about how much we like / dislike them (and I'm sure your contribution will be grate).

the pinefox, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's been done enough in other threads, though.

I would've liked their 2nd album lots if it weren't so damn over the top AND stupid. Brett Anderson should not trill. From what I've heard after that rekkid, he hasn't improved much. The music was quite agreeable, though (if a bit grandiose and grandiose).

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I heard Brett sing unaccompanied once, GAWD was it ever funny!!! Unlike Bernard Butler's solo 'songs', which are just so fucking stupid and boring that they retrospectively put me off the first two Suede albums, never mind the recent ones which are fucking stupid and boring but almost funny. "Wild Ones" and "Stay Together" are great though!

dave q, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

anyone here care to suggest that brett has ever written a good lyric?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Did "Still Life" rip off Ravel? I have the song sorta stuck in my head now, and I SWEAR there was an obvious classical music motif/movement they ripped off outright from some really obvious source.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

If anyone dares suggest Brett can write a good lyric, I will laugh at them. Here's how you write a Suede song, throw the words "nuclear" and "shaking" and "machine" into every single verse, the more inexplicable the chorus the better.

That all being said, Suede are both classic and dud. Suede with Bernie were absolutely fantastic (despite godawful production), dogmanstar was one of my favorite albums for ages. Then Bernie left. Brett's voice has gotten continually worse (which would've happened with or without Bernie, just very convenient it happened when it did), and the song structures are not as good. They've become a parody of themselves. Though the dance mix of Everything Will Flow is fantastic.

Search: The first two albums, Stay Together EP

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

What Ally said, 'cept I actually like the production on the first two records.

Andy, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked "on the high wire, dressed in a leotard/there wobbles one hell of a retard." And "he writes the line wrote down my spine/It says 'oh do you believe in love there?' " always gave me a little shiver. So go ahead and laugh, Ally and Alan, I can take it. I'm with you on everything else you said, Ally.

Arthur, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not really that familiar with them, just the really popular songs that get played at Britpop nights, like "Trash." One of those bands that rip off their predecessors (Bowie) so well that I can't help but enjoy them -- but wouldn't spend much money on them, either.

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original. It's shorter, less subtle, and very glam, but great because of that .. check it out, if you're a Suede afficionado.

Chris, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

DESTROY ALL RECORDS BY SUEDE YOU EVER COME ACROSS

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Most unfair, he's left the band too. ;-) I always appreciated his Louche Bastard nature on stage.

Anyway, I'm hardly neutral in this, as I fired up the Suede fan mailing list six years back and have stuck with it ever since. They've definitely had their ups and downs, but I still like 'em -- still, the new album really does need to do better than the last. Right now I'm looking forward to the DVD video collection, and they just played in Portugal and apparently did a great job.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

You need the word "animal" too, Ally.

I think : Bernard-era - not very good at all. Bad production, bad Bowie impersonation from Anderson and as everyone agrees, mainly dire words. "To the Birds" (B-side of The Drowners) is ace though.

"Coming Up" - similar production, slightly worse songs, a few good hooks - overall the sound of wheels spinning.

"Head Music" - Their best. Inessential, but likeable.

As for Pinefox's question about significance - I'd say not, at least not in any definition of 'significance' that I recognize. They were/are a competent glam-rock band for the 90's who failed to transcend their all-too-obvious influences (Bowie/Steve Harley/Roxy).

Dr. C, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I love them. Even their b-sides collection is ace. "Head Music" is their worst tho, in my opinion. I hope there's a new one soon, and hope it's better than "Head Music".

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

A couple of observations. David their second album is great precisely because it's over the top, grandiose and stupid. If this is the sound of a band falling apart then more bands should do it. It's one of Elton John's favourites, which ordinarily would be enough to bury it in lava but I'm with Reg on this one.

The beautiful ones has the best lyrics of any song written in the 90's.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm back to say their debut may be one of my favorite albums ever. Love the third one, too.

Anyone heard Bernard's solo LP? It was so boring and bland I wanted to fling it in the garbage; traded it in for a couple bucks instead.

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

His solo LPs are terrible, why did he do that? He can't sing you know.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He actually carried off fairly well live, but that was an unplugged show and he wasn't straining very much. But yes, when I first heard him sing, I thought it was a bit of a reach...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hardcore Suede fans tend to = dud though, I know a few and they're embarassing.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I see, you hate me, DG. *cries*

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Not you, you silly Raggetty person. People who I know who sign their emails "The one and only trash pop slut", that kind of thing.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Suede were great. My 90s band. Since I missed Moz/Marr & Co in the 80s, Suede had to compensate... Awesome live, if you dig that kind of "You love us and We know it" performances. Meeting them was great. Brett chatted up my girlfriend, and I chatted up Brett. Those were lovely times. I really do believe it is one of the best examples of "love em or hate em" one can think of.
I never played "Head Music" in its entirety, note. But the singles up to and including "She's in fashion" are great. And cd1 of "Lullabies", obviously. And "Stay Together"... Is better than "Whatever"!

Simon, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Back in the day I was a downright slavering fanatic, which seems a bit sad in retrospect. Their first four or five singles were absolutely flawless, with nary a dud on them. Everything else up through and including Comiing Up has tended to be patchy, though there's still some good songs to be found.

That said, Head Music was the absolute end for me. It was painfully dull, and the lyrics were so beyond the pale it just seemed ludicrous to keep listening. I tried liking it (in fact I still sort of like Can't Get Enough), but in the end I've lost all affection for them.

Still, I'd probably get the dvd if it wasn't Region 2 encoding.

Nicole, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Suede, the Bauhaus of the 90s (the lyrics, the bowie-isms, the hysteria?, maybe better on the music side, but then Brett&co didn't record a standard like Bela Lugosi's Dead...

erik, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Insignificant. The fake-gay flip-side of Oasis. But as with Oasis capable of some great songs. I like 'Animal Nitrate', for that tagged- on wank-solo, 'Saturday Night' and 'Beautiful Ones'. Also liked: those hilarious Brett love-handles and Neil Codling was just a classic beautiful "me, I'm very bored" English boy.

Omar, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

significant. wow, i get to disagree with Omar! now, i typed a fairly long answer to this, which seems to have disappeared. so a truncated answer will suffice.

i agree with Ally that they became a parody, well rather a facsimile of themselves around Coming Up

i disagree with Ally saying this is a bad thing. For me Coming Up is the best album they did. it has an ease, an effortless, like the pressure to be grandiose a la DMS had been lifted. By The Sea, The Chemistry Between Us absoultely superb. Beautiful Ones and Trash great singles. i like the spangly shinyness of this album, which wasn't present on the earlier stuff. in this way i like to think of it as an anglo Hit To Death In The Future Head. Ilike the fact that Bernard had gone by this point. the adding of Codling - a good move. it is suede being themselves. a parody? yes, possibly. i want to say 'trite in a good way' here. i want to say Bretts singing is very good on this album.

to be honest, this is the only one i play regularly. but Dog Man Star very good too. in places. Wild Ones, New Generation, 2 of us in particular. daddys speeding too. it is grandiose, but i think they aimed high, and only partially succeeded. still, some great stuff on there though.

they seem to have escaped the 90s pretty much unscathed though. in comparison to their contemporaries anyway. but then, who are their contemporaries. surely we're not suggesting blur, supergrass and oasis are we? i do hope not. Pulp, yes maybe. but they have become too closely identified with Different Class. they are unable to escape that moment, it signifies a moment too closely. post DC they have been dirgeful.

i am interested in whether the pinefox is a Suede fan. this seems unlikely, but then his liking of oasis and non-love of nick drake was also surprising.

gareth, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

How were they significant, Gareth? They didn't change anything, for better or worse. They didn't do anything which hadn't been done (better) before. You might say they were very good, not that I agree, but significant? No.

Dr. C, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I find them well-nigh unbearable now. Dog Man Star is a record I honestly don't think I could ever physically sit through again, even for money. Honestly, there's fuck-all difference between them and Placebo. Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots. But like a lot of people I fell for it at the time - now I'm prouder of once being into Carter USM, frankly.

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

For me the magic has worn off and left a lot of rusty glitter. That much is true. No, they don't mean what they did. And so, no, the listening experience is not what it was. (I was never a Fan, wearing the togs, believing the hype, or anything - but I did respect the music, and close-up, live, they were sweatily astounding.)

But I did think them significant. I think they represented a union of 'indie world' and 'media hype' - of alternative and mainstream, more simply - which seems natural now but was genuinely strange then. They did on (retrospectively) a homely scale what Oasis then went and did on an absurd scale. In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

I also think they had good material, and good musicianship. The first LP was a fine debut, but DMS beat it - it was a remarkable record, a masterpiece, within the Suede perspective. If you don't like that 'world' (lyrics, sound etc) then it's just an ugly folly, I daresay, but if you do (as to an extent I did when it came out) it felt like a very major achievement. Better, I'd still say, than Different Class, This Is Hardcore, The Great Escape, Be Here Now and a bunch of other Britpop behemoths. (But not necessarily better than, for instance, Parklife - another record I view as Significant.)

the pinefox, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Can we not just forget about this silly little band? Were they really influential? I can't imagine they were. Maybe in some narrow field of idiocy.

Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

THE DROWNERS IS THE BEST SONG EVER, WHY HAS NO ONE MENTIONED THIS YET?

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Nick just doesn't want people to be reminded of the fact he looks like Neil Codling.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

That’s it, you had to get into their “perspective”, their “Suedeworld”.

I loved the flashness of Coming Up when it came along in the autumn of 96. You just had to admire Anderson’s survivalist instincts despite it being obvious they were never to be centre stage again. It had a cetain romance about it. They went for that deliberately cold, robotic, and mechanized sound with Head Music but what initially to me sounded brilliant soon wore away after a few weeks – it was the Suede LP that was stranded without context.

Saw them from speaker distance in the 100 club between their first 2 singles at the height of the hype and it was fantastic esp. after spending the summer at lank haired grunge gigs. I remember some of the radio interviews around the time of the DMS release. Brett seemed fucked out of it from the drugs but the album seemed like a strange but necessary anomaly in those last months of 1994 amongst the explosion of jungle, trip hop and Loaded culture. Anderson might have been an asshole but rather him than the whining and supercilious musoness of Butler.

Fave songs: The Chemistry Between Us, Wild Ones,

David Gunnip, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I actually own The Drowners.

But THEN I SAW SENSE

Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

That was around the time Sense and Sensibility came out, wasn't it? Gotta love that Hugh Grant...

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

The one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

the one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Why, Gareth? Well because if it isn't then what's the difference between 'glamour' like wot Brett did and 'piling on the slap and getting off your face' like wot everyone in Ritzys nightclub does?

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

There are different types of glamour and different types of attitude; not all glamour can be Marilyn Monroe; some of it needs to be Patsy & Edina.

I mean, just think of it this way, Brett looked less Instant Decadance than the Manics did. I mean, talk about putting any old clap on and then pretending to be fabulous, lordy.

NICK YOU HAVE NO SENSE.

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I luv Gareth, if the real bloke who signs himself 'the one and only trash pop slut' saw that, he'd be SO pissed off.

DG, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"The Drowners" is my favorite single of the early 90s. Maybe favorite 90s single, period, I'll have to think about that.

A Homosexual Who's Had Several Bisexual Experiences, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

To the twelve-year old jamesmichaelward, Stay Together was one of the bestest things ever.

jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Stay Together was beautiful.

So what does everyone think of the McAlmont & Butler album then?

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I really liked it -- McAlmont is a great singer and performer. BB was a mentalist to think people would rather listen to his irritating weedy voice than McAlmont or Brett.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"McAlmont and Butler" is fantastic. How the hell did Bernard Butler get from that to....ugh...whatever he did afterwards?

Norman Phay, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Animal Nitrate' was their best song I thought. I want to know whether other people thought that was their best song.

maryann, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Of course it's amazing. Some days I prefer "Metal Mickey".

Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"What does it take to turn you on...?!" is one the best phrases in pop.

Simon, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original.
No way Chris. The one and only version of "Shipbuilding" is and will always be Robert Wyatt's. But nevertheless it is probably the best song Brett Anderson has ever sung. ;-)

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Brett Anderson as shipbuilder = too great a leap of imagination

Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Holy shit! Excellent news... their last two albums were fucking awesome.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 30 April 2018 16:55 (four months ago) Permalink

Hmm, I love Moulder but dunno if he's a good fit for the group. I guess it depends on what they are going for.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 April 2018 16:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Could be a pretentious mess but they seems to have had a hold on things since the reunion, so I'm up for this this

PaulTMA, Monday, 30 April 2018 17:16 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm hoping for a pretentious mess tbh

imago, Monday, 30 April 2018 17:34 (four months ago) Permalink

They've been talking up making one since the last one. I'm just hoping it isn't too comically 'out there', in a Suede way.

Really enjoyed Night Thoughts, but it's going to take a lot to forget the awful Eastenders-dressed-up-as-Derek-Jarman movie that accompanied it for the two live album performances I saw

PaulTMA, Monday, 30 April 2018 17:40 (four months ago) Permalink

spoken word :/

kinder, Monday, 30 April 2018 18:41 (four months ago) Permalink

xps No-one manages to pulls off pretentious mess like Suede.

2018 has to be better (snoball), Monday, 30 April 2018 19:57 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah that film, jesus.

piscesx, Monday, 30 April 2018 19:57 (four months ago) Permalink

Also no-one manages to unnecessarily pluralise a word like me...

2018 has to be better (snoball), Monday, 30 April 2018 19:57 (four months ago) Permalink

I will listen to this, but their two recent albums have absolutely fitted into the genre of bombastic indie rock, and nothing more, a big turn-off for me. I've seen them play live for both (including that film), and when they play older songs it is as exciting as in the old days. I keep hoping that through playing them, they will manage to recapture some of that. Or something weirder! That preview video sounds pretty good, but on the album that's probably just gonna be a transition between two solid indie tunes.

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 30 April 2018 23:11 (four months ago) Permalink

Dismissing anything by Suede as bombastic ... I mean, is there literally anything by this (awesome) band that can be described as subtle?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 April 2018 23:57 (four months ago) Permalink

The Living Dead / My Dark Star Sleeping Pills / By the Sea etc

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 00:45 (four months ago) Permalink

Anyway, the adjective goes with the noun, and I don't think they recorded anything that could be described as bombastic indie rock prior to their reforming.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 00:47 (four months ago) Permalink

The parts of Dog Man Star that I guess might be called bombastic (not by me) are certainly not indie rock.

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 00:50 (four months ago) Permalink

idk the recent albums sounds like Suede to me, albeit a touch more streamlined than their peak-era stuff. I listen to quite a bit of indie rock and can't think of any recent bands that sound much like 'em in any era. (and "The Living Dead" might be quiet but it's anything but subtle)

Simon H., Tuesday, 1 May 2018 01:22 (four months ago) Permalink

I Don't Know How To Reach You might be bombastic but it's as good as indie gets

imago, Tuesday, 1 May 2018 01:25 (four months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

What do we reckon? Very much takes off where Night Thoughts left off, which is no bad thing. Clearly not a 'single' in the traditional sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqzvcj0-kF4

PaulTMA, Monday, 4 June 2018 17:16 (three months ago) Permalink

I thought that was Rose McGowen for a few seconds. Anyway, it's good but yeah, very "album track."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 June 2018 17:43 (three months ago) Permalink

Not too surprised they've picked a slow burner, non-single single to kick off with, considering how they are talking up this new album.

PaulTMA, Monday, 4 June 2018 19:44 (three months ago) Permalink

Predictably, I love it. I've really been enjoying what Suede have been getting up to since they reformed.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Monday, 4 June 2018 20:43 (three months ago) Permalink

it's a beaut. If only they'd play over here!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 June 2018 22:03 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

"Don't Be Afraid If Nobody Loves You" is pretty nice!

Simon H., Friday, 13 July 2018 18:05 (two months ago) Permalink

I can’t stop playing it for a week now. Title/chorus sounds like by the numbers BA, but he’s doing something quite Kate Bush-y in the verses. Hoping for a pretentious mess x3

nikola, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:08 (two months ago) Permalink

You know, the thing I don't like about modern Suede is Richard Oakes' guitar. This song would be really good if not for his crappy tone and robotic playing.

Eyeball Kicks, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:08 (one month ago) Permalink

It does feel like an inferior re-do of I Don't Know How To Reach You, which is already one of their crowning achievement

imago, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:20 (one month ago) Permalink

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imago, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:20 (one month ago) Permalink

I like Oakes' guitar just fine and he's come up with some great things over the years.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

Not to mention he can play Butler's guitar parts on the old stuff live better than Butler ever could.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:26 (one month ago) Permalink

This recent phase of Suede's career (Bloodsports to date) might just be my favourite phase of their career to date. They've been on great form.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:28 (one month ago) Permalink

*date=present

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:29 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Sold on this after one listen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEJfWrfN15k

PaulTMA, Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:32 (one month ago) Permalink

good song, bit of Rocknroll Suicide

video doesn't help it, neither does the production imo (still waiting for that undercompressed live album with highlights from Bloodsports and Night Thoughts)

niels, Thursday, 16 August 2018 20:57 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess it's good but I'm never gonna get into this version of Suede. I prefer e.g. Can't Get Enough or Savoir Faire to any Suede song post 2000. And I don't even like those songs that much. No point in me hoping for another Metal Mickey or New Generation or Flashboy – it's no shame of theirs they can't provide it, more mine for wanting it.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:21 (one month ago) Permalink

I like that you can see Oaksy playing an axe solo on top of one of the tower blocks.

djh, Thursday, 16 August 2018 21:39 (one month ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/ICCmPv7.png

incarcerated moonfaces (how's life), Wednesday, 22 August 2018 17:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh that song is very good - like making a whole song out of a "Wild Ones" verse.

Also, the video is kind of perfect for Suede, inhabiting the same empty and depopulated world of emotional desolation as the 'Sci-Fi Lullabies' cover. It would have been perfect if they had left out any Cyrillic letters to make the location less obvious.

Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 22:01 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm quite surprised at how great the whole package is, speaking as someone who liked the album but truly hated the Night Thoughts film

PaulTMA, Wednesday, 22 August 2018 23:29 (one month ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

So, the new album. Both long songs are really good (yeah yeah vmic) but I'm not sold on the rest yet - feels like a step down from Night Thoughts

imago, Friday, 21 September 2018 09:11 (three days ago) Permalink

I found Night Thoughts ok (but never went back to it).
This one, I couldn't bother to listen to more than a few seconds of each new track.
I guess I simply don't like THIS band (as it is now).

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 21 September 2018 09:35 (three days ago) Permalink

Love Night Thoughts, can't remember Bloodsports (but liked it iirc), thanks for the bump on the new one! Us Yanks need to pay attention!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 September 2018 11:42 (three days ago) Permalink

they went full vintage-Scott-Walker for this one huh

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:23 (three days ago) Permalink

I don't hear 'vintage Scott Walker' at all tbh.

The opener is a grotesque dud, but the rest is.. not bad?

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 21 September 2018 13:32 (three days ago) Permalink

Couple of plays in and it sounds like Night Thoughts with a choir. Not quite the out-there experience they said they were going to make, but probably another worthy addition

PaulTMA, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:40 (three days ago) Permalink

The second track Wastelands is the closest they come to recapturing the glory of I Don't Know How To Reach You

imago, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:43 (three days ago) Permalink

Wan't "IDKHTRY" a kind of remake of "He's Dead" ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:45 (three days ago) Permalink

Not related to the new album but I get a weird but obvious Suede circa « Let’s stay together » from L del Rey’s « Venice Bitch » instrumental guitar break !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 21 September 2018 16:45 (three days ago) Permalink

Wan't "IDKHTRY" a kind of remake of "He's Dead" ?

― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 21 September 2018 13:45 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't hear the lift - but they're both among Suede's best songs

imago, Friday, 21 September 2018 19:13 (three days ago) Permalink

Guitar arpeggio, same syncopated drums part, same kind of bassline. It seems pretty obvious to me. And « He’s Dead » is indeed one of their most fabulous songs.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 21 September 2018 22:47 (three days ago) Permalink

I still get frustrated that they're using the same combinations of chord changes, melodies, arrangements. As with the previous two albums, every single song has brittle, arpeggiated guitar from start to finish (I realise this is their signature sound, but they used to apply more varied textures – Coming Up, for example, only has four songs built around this kind of guitar line). Even some fucking strummed acoustic guitar would sound novel and exploratory in the context of their current work.

BUT I still really love this new record! There's rarely a hint of spontaneity or accident anywhere, but it's till so much more alive than the last couple. And within the parameters they don't move much beyond, these are excellent songs. In particular, Wastelands, Mistress, Cold Hands, Life Is Golden, All The Wild Places... but there is no dud. It's 50 minutes of highly comforting pleasure.

Eyeball Kicks, Saturday, 22 September 2018 19:30 (two days ago) Permalink

yeah when i said this was a step down from Night Thoughts I was kind of wrong....this is growing on me with every listen. I think Brett and the gang probably need their comfort zone to turn out stuff this consistently good even when Suede are no longer the coolest thing going

imago, Saturday, 22 September 2018 22:51 (two days ago) Permalink


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