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i can't believe this one hasn't been done yet.

gareth, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I agree, Gareth - I've meant to do it myself. But forgive me for saying that C/D and S/D may not be the most interesting approach. Even people who hate the sound of Suede (and their number is legion) may well agree that they were 'significant'. So - I think there's a discussion to be had that's not particularly about how much we like / dislike them (and I'm sure your contribution will be grate).

the pinefox, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

It's been done enough in other threads, though.

I would've liked their 2nd album lots if it weren't so damn over the top AND stupid. Brett Anderson should not trill. From what I've heard after that rekkid, he hasn't improved much. The music was quite agreeable, though (if a bit grandiose and grandiose).

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I heard Brett sing unaccompanied once, GAWD was it ever funny!!! Unlike Bernard Butler's solo 'songs', which are just so fucking stupid and boring that they retrospectively put me off the first two Suede albums, never mind the recent ones which are fucking stupid and boring but almost funny. "Wild Ones" and "Stay Together" are great though!

dave q, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

anyone here care to suggest that brett has ever written a good lyric?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Did "Still Life" rip off Ravel? I have the song sorta stuck in my head now, and I SWEAR there was an obvious classical music motif/movement they ripped off outright from some really obvious source.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

If anyone dares suggest Brett can write a good lyric, I will laugh at them. Here's how you write a Suede song, throw the words "nuclear" and "shaking" and "machine" into every single verse, the more inexplicable the chorus the better.

That all being said, Suede are both classic and dud. Suede with Bernie were absolutely fantastic (despite godawful production), dogmanstar was one of my favorite albums for ages. Then Bernie left. Brett's voice has gotten continually worse (which would've happened with or without Bernie, just very convenient it happened when it did), and the song structures are not as good. They've become a parody of themselves. Though the dance mix of Everything Will Flow is fantastic.

Search: The first two albums, Stay Together EP

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

What Ally said, 'cept I actually like the production on the first two records.

Andy, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I really liked "on the high wire, dressed in a leotard/there wobbles one hell of a retard." And "he writes the line wrote down my spine/It says 'oh do you believe in love there?' " always gave me a little shiver. So go ahead and laugh, Ally and Alan, I can take it. I'm with you on everything else you said, Ally.

Arthur, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm not really that familiar with them, just the really popular songs that get played at Britpop nights, like "Trash." One of those bands that rip off their predecessors (Bowie) so well that I can't help but enjoy them -- but wouldn't spend much money on them, either.

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original. It's shorter, less subtle, and very glam, but great because of that .. check it out, if you're a Suede afficionado.

Chris, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

DESTROY ALL RECORDS BY SUEDE YOU EVER COME ACROSS

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Most unfair, he's left the band too. ;-) I always appreciated his Louche Bastard nature on stage.

Anyway, I'm hardly neutral in this, as I fired up the Suede fan mailing list six years back and have stuck with it ever since. They've definitely had their ups and downs, but I still like 'em -- still, the new album really does need to do better than the last. Right now I'm looking forward to the DVD video collection, and they just played in Portugal and apparently did a great job.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

You need the word "animal" too, Ally.

I think : Bernard-era - not very good at all. Bad production, bad Bowie impersonation from Anderson and as everyone agrees, mainly dire words. "To the Birds" (B-side of The Drowners) is ace though.

"Coming Up" - similar production, slightly worse songs, a few good hooks - overall the sound of wheels spinning.

"Head Music" - Their best. Inessential, but likeable.

As for Pinefox's question about significance - I'd say not, at least not in any definition of 'significance' that I recognize. They were/are a competent glam-rock band for the 90's who failed to transcend their all-too-obvious influences (Bowie/Steve Harley/Roxy).

Dr. C, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I love them. Even their b-sides collection is ace. "Head Music" is their worst tho, in my opinion. I hope there's a new one soon, and hope it's better than "Head Music".

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

A couple of observations. David their second album is great precisely because it's over the top, grandiose and stupid. If this is the sound of a band falling apart then more bands should do it. It's one of Elton John's favourites, which ordinarily would be enough to bury it in lava but I'm with Reg on this one.

The beautiful ones has the best lyrics of any song written in the 90's.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I'm back to say their debut may be one of my favorite albums ever. Love the third one, too.

Anyone heard Bernard's solo LP? It was so boring and bland I wanted to fling it in the garbage; traded it in for a couple bucks instead.

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

His solo LPs are terrible, why did he do that? He can't sing you know.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

He actually carried off fairly well live, but that was an unplugged show and he wasn't straining very much. But yes, when I first heard him sing, I thought it was a bit of a reach...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Hardcore Suede fans tend to = dud though, I know a few and they're embarassing.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I see, you hate me, DG. *cries*

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Not you, you silly Raggetty person. People who I know who sign their emails "The one and only trash pop slut", that kind of thing.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Suede were great. My 90s band. Since I missed Moz/Marr & Co in the 80s, Suede had to compensate... Awesome live, if you dig that kind of "You love us and We know it" performances. Meeting them was great. Brett chatted up my girlfriend, and I chatted up Brett. Those were lovely times. I really do believe it is one of the best examples of "love em or hate em" one can think of.
I never played "Head Music" in its entirety, note. But the singles up to and including "She's in fashion" are great. And cd1 of "Lullabies", obviously. And "Stay Together"... Is better than "Whatever"!

Simon, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Back in the day I was a downright slavering fanatic, which seems a bit sad in retrospect. Their first four or five singles were absolutely flawless, with nary a dud on them. Everything else up through and including Comiing Up has tended to be patchy, though there's still some good songs to be found.

That said, Head Music was the absolute end for me. It was painfully dull, and the lyrics were so beyond the pale it just seemed ludicrous to keep listening. I tried liking it (in fact I still sort of like Can't Get Enough), but in the end I've lost all affection for them.

Still, I'd probably get the dvd if it wasn't Region 2 encoding.

Nicole, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Suede, the Bauhaus of the 90s (the lyrics, the bowie-isms, the hysteria?, maybe better on the music side, but then Brett&co didn't record a standard like Bela Lugosi's Dead...

erik, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Insignificant. The fake-gay flip-side of Oasis. But as with Oasis capable of some great songs. I like 'Animal Nitrate', for that tagged- on wank-solo, 'Saturday Night' and 'Beautiful Ones'. Also liked: those hilarious Brett love-handles and Neil Codling was just a classic beautiful "me, I'm very bored" English boy.

Omar, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

significant. wow, i get to disagree with Omar! now, i typed a fairly long answer to this, which seems to have disappeared. so a truncated answer will suffice.

i agree with Ally that they became a parody, well rather a facsimile of themselves around Coming Up

i disagree with Ally saying this is a bad thing. For me Coming Up is the best album they did. it has an ease, an effortless, like the pressure to be grandiose a la DMS had been lifted. By The Sea, The Chemistry Between Us absoultely superb. Beautiful Ones and Trash great singles. i like the spangly shinyness of this album, which wasn't present on the earlier stuff. in this way i like to think of it as an anglo Hit To Death In The Future Head. Ilike the fact that Bernard had gone by this point. the adding of Codling - a good move. it is suede being themselves. a parody? yes, possibly. i want to say 'trite in a good way' here. i want to say Bretts singing is very good on this album.

to be honest, this is the only one i play regularly. but Dog Man Star very good too. in places. Wild Ones, New Generation, 2 of us in particular. daddys speeding too. it is grandiose, but i think they aimed high, and only partially succeeded. still, some great stuff on there though.

they seem to have escaped the 90s pretty much unscathed though. in comparison to their contemporaries anyway. but then, who are their contemporaries. surely we're not suggesting blur, supergrass and oasis are we? i do hope not. Pulp, yes maybe. but they have become too closely identified with Different Class. they are unable to escape that moment, it signifies a moment too closely. post DC they have been dirgeful.

i am interested in whether the pinefox is a Suede fan. this seems unlikely, but then his liking of oasis and non-love of nick drake was also surprising.

gareth, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

How were they significant, Gareth? They didn't change anything, for better or worse. They didn't do anything which hadn't been done (better) before. You might say they were very good, not that I agree, but significant? No.

Dr. C, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I find them well-nigh unbearable now. Dog Man Star is a record I honestly don't think I could ever physically sit through again, even for money. Honestly, there's fuck-all difference between them and Placebo. Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots. But like a lot of people I fell for it at the time - now I'm prouder of once being into Carter USM, frankly.

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

For me the magic has worn off and left a lot of rusty glitter. That much is true. No, they don't mean what they did. And so, no, the listening experience is not what it was. (I was never a Fan, wearing the togs, believing the hype, or anything - but I did respect the music, and close-up, live, they were sweatily astounding.)

But I did think them significant. I think they represented a union of 'indie world' and 'media hype' - of alternative and mainstream, more simply - which seems natural now but was genuinely strange then. They did on (retrospectively) a homely scale what Oasis then went and did on an absurd scale. In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

I also think they had good material, and good musicianship. The first LP was a fine debut, but DMS beat it - it was a remarkable record, a masterpiece, within the Suede perspective. If you don't like that 'world' (lyrics, sound etc) then it's just an ugly folly, I daresay, but if you do (as to an extent I did when it came out) it felt like a very major achievement. Better, I'd still say, than Different Class, This Is Hardcore, The Great Escape, Be Here Now and a bunch of other Britpop behemoths. (But not necessarily better than, for instance, Parklife - another record I view as Significant.)

the pinefox, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Can we not just forget about this silly little band? Were they really influential? I can't imagine they were. Maybe in some narrow field of idiocy.

Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

THE DROWNERS IS THE BEST SONG EVER, WHY HAS NO ONE MENTIONED THIS YET?

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Nick just doesn't want people to be reminded of the fact he looks like Neil Codling.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

That’s it, you had to get into their “perspective”, their “Suedeworld”.

I loved the flashness of Coming Up when it came along in the autumn of 96. You just had to admire Anderson’s survivalist instincts despite it being obvious they were never to be centre stage again. It had a cetain romance about it. They went for that deliberately cold, robotic, and mechanized sound with Head Music but what initially to me sounded brilliant soon wore away after a few weeks – it was the Suede LP that was stranded without context.

Saw them from speaker distance in the 100 club between their first 2 singles at the height of the hype and it was fantastic esp. after spending the summer at lank haired grunge gigs. I remember some of the radio interviews around the time of the DMS release. Brett seemed fucked out of it from the drugs but the album seemed like a strange but necessary anomaly in those last months of 1994 amongst the explosion of jungle, trip hop and Loaded culture. Anderson might have been an asshole but rather him than the whining and supercilious musoness of Butler.

Fave songs: The Chemistry Between Us, Wild Ones,

David Gunnip, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I actually own The Drowners.

But THEN I SAW SENSE

Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

That was around the time Sense and Sensibility came out, wasn't it? Gotta love that Hugh Grant...

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

The one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

the one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Why, Gareth? Well because if it isn't then what's the difference between 'glamour' like wot Brett did and 'piling on the slap and getting off your face' like wot everyone in Ritzys nightclub does?

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

There are different types of glamour and different types of attitude; not all glamour can be Marilyn Monroe; some of it needs to be Patsy & Edina.

I mean, just think of it this way, Brett looked less Instant Decadance than the Manics did. I mean, talk about putting any old clap on and then pretending to be fabulous, lordy.

NICK YOU HAVE NO SENSE.

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I luv Gareth, if the real bloke who signs himself 'the one and only trash pop slut' saw that, he'd be SO pissed off.

DG, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"The Drowners" is my favorite single of the early 90s. Maybe favorite 90s single, period, I'll have to think about that.

A Homosexual Who's Had Several Bisexual Experiences, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

To the twelve-year old jamesmichaelward, Stay Together was one of the bestest things ever.

jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Stay Together was beautiful.

So what does everyone think of the McAlmont & Butler album then?

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

I really liked it -- McAlmont is a great singer and performer. BB was a mentalist to think people would rather listen to his irritating weedy voice than McAlmont or Brett.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"McAlmont and Butler" is fantastic. How the hell did Bernard Butler get from that to....ugh...whatever he did afterwards?

Norman Phay, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

'Animal Nitrate' was their best song I thought. I want to know whether other people thought that was their best song.

maryann, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Of course it's amazing. Some days I prefer "Metal Mickey".

Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

"What does it take to turn you on...?!" is one the best phrases in pop.

Simon, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original.
No way Chris. The one and only version of "Shipbuilding" is and will always be Robert Wyatt's. But nevertheless it is probably the best song Brett Anderson has ever sung. ;-)

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Brett Anderson as shipbuilder = too great a leap of imagination

Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (seventeen years ago) Permalink

Really? It's only the second longest track on there! ;)

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:52 (one month ago) Permalink

The longest track is kind of a disappointing dirge tbh

imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:53 (one month ago) Permalink

It is.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 27 September 2018 16:59 (one month ago) Permalink

I also listened to their 'bad albums' today. Actually, Head Music was more obviously a 'bad album' than A New Morning - the latter was much more cohesive and minding of its own business - but I guess the former had more personality. Neither were particularly great or bad, but they certainly lacked spark

imago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 17:13 (one month ago) Permalink

A New Morning has a lovely sound to it, shame they couldn't have hooked up with Stephen Street earlier. The problem I have is it feels like the songs are going through the motions for the most part, Suede without the drama. It's a bit like when Pulp dropped all the sleaze and darkness on their final album, losing a lot of what made them appealing in the first place.

Brett's singing is really good on it, compared to now. I don't know what's happened to his voice more recently but I find it a bit uncomfortable to listen to it, like he's straining for something he can't quite reach anymore.

I think Head Music was a credible attempt to reinvent the band that didn't quite come off for a few reasons(Brett's smack habit and Neil's illness can't have helped). It has it's moments.

Brainless Addlepated Timid Muddleheaded Awful No-Account (Pheeel), Thursday, 27 September 2018 21:48 (one month ago) Permalink

I like this new one, though on first listen it sort of sounds like the second side of an album.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 September 2018 23:00 (one month ago) Permalink

good stuff doran

imago, Monday, 1 October 2018 15:25 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah good interview, and the record sounds really interesting too

their new sound is not really for me but would love to see a live show

niels, Monday, 1 October 2018 16:25 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm trying to listen to it following all the raving reviews I have read/heard lately.
A few songs in, I still don't like the sound and arrangements (otm Eyeball Kicks !) but a few songs seem OK.
I have a very hard time understanding how it could be considered one of their best after DMS, though.
It seems to lack substance.
And Brett's singing on the opening track is simply cringy !

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:28 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah DMS and debut clearly in a league of their own, Coming Up v different but almost great, the rest nowhere near

imo

niels, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Obviously the first two albums are a notch above but I really think this is the best one since then - both of those things can be true!

imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was talking about the many comments I read (not here, I think) saying it is their best after, not since, DMS !
(btw, my favourite is not DMS but the first one)

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Agreed - the first album is not just my favourite Suede album but one of my favourite albums period

imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 15:51 (one month ago) Permalink

coming up is great & Beautiful Ones is one of their best, anti Coming Up fans confuse the hell out of me

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:26 (one month ago) Permalink

The most baffling thing to me is why Brett keeps mentioning in interviews him digging up a dead bird to show his young son, as if that's a good idea

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 16:41 (one month ago) Permalink

idk the decay of life is a p metal thing to teach your kids

imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

The kid will end up with a heavy metal stutter then

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:27 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah that digging up a dead bird to show his young son the skeleton/corpse is... heavy.
That’s his goth/dark side (or star), I guess.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Btw I’ve listened to the whole album and... really don’t understand the hype.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 21:44 (one month ago) Permalink

woo ! I didn't care at all for the first volume but I'm quite curious about this one !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 5 October 2018 14:37 (one month ago) Permalink

Boy, was this thing hyped, even on these shorts.

Was wondering if this was a typo. Still wondering.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 03:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Ahah

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 07:23 (one month ago) Permalink

the style of a woman, the kiss of a man

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:23 (one month ago) Permalink

I absolutely love the S/T but have never managed to enjoy any of their subsequent albums despite my habitual preference for more progressive and dramatic stylings.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 10:47 (one month ago) Permalink

coming up is my fave cuz "trash" is so perfect any random nine songs could follow and still resonate

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 12:30 (one month ago) Permalink

haha, I like that take

niels, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 12:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Coming Up definitely shares a certain immediacy with the debut. I should revisit Head Music (which was better than I remembered the last I listened) and New Morning (which ... was not?). And also the Tears album, which I always forget is out there. My go-tos remain Dog Man Star and Night Thoughts, with the debut not far behind.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

coming up is my fave cuz "trash" is so perfect any random nine songs could follow and still resonate

the year it came out I could not stop freaking out about its greatness and it can still reach me at the "this song is specifically for a version of me who once existed" level

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 13:33 (one month ago) Permalink

I've never been that much of a huge Suede fan but I dyed my hair black because of Trash

kraudive, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:25 (one month ago) Permalink

this year, everyone will become a huge Suede fan

imago, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Xpost
Yeah the Tears album is my 3rd favourite « Suede » album !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I've been listening again to their old albums due to this thread and that made me think that there was something special that made me love their debut (and to a lesser extent, "DMS"), besides the fact that I adored Butler as teenager learning to play the guitar, but I never really thought about what it was.
There was something mysterious and different to their songs and sound, especially on the first album and its singles/bsides.
OK there's all the glam, bowie, smiths etc but I always thought there was something else that these obvious references didn't have.
It's sensual, dark, impressionist, violently romantic...
And lately I realized that their music of that time reminded me of french late 19th/early 20th century classical. Especially Debussy (and Ravel too).
Listening to the debut a lot lately, I found out there is something in the structure, arrangements and melodies of many songs that evoke that musical approach.
For instance "She's not dead" could almost be a Debussy song (same with "Black and Blue").
And to me, the whole debut has that atmosphere that makes it so different from all the other british bands referenced (and their own albums after "DMS").
On "DMS", there are many touches that remind this too : "We are the pigs", with the blaring horns that announce the Ravelesque arrangements of "Still life" (especially the "Bolero" final).
There's "Black or Blue" as mentioned, which is not even pop music, to me (and it's quite impressive - or crazy, to release that in the middle of Britpop mania !).
That said, "DMS" has less of that early 20th french classical elegance and sensual charm than the debut. It's more a rock album.
That might be the reason why the debut had such a special and strong impact on me (and still has, everytime I go back to it).

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 11 October 2018 09:19 (one month ago) Permalink

someone else also really liked Trash

https://youtu.be/4Z9mvUCL-5U

kinder, Thursday, 11 October 2018 09:30 (one month ago) Permalink

That's a rip-off, no doubt, but a bloody good one.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 11 October 2018 10:31 (one month ago) Permalink

booming post alxtc, i often wonder why the debut sounds like nothing else

imago, Thursday, 11 October 2018 10:48 (one month ago) Permalink

Thanks !
Listening to « Pantomime Horse », it’s also so obvious (all these amazing guitar lines undulating and hitting like an orchestra... it’s a submerged cathedral of sounds ! also the bass grooves adds to sensuality)

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:43 (one month ago) Permalink

Naturally, I think the new album is incredible although it wasn't as immediate for me as either Bloodsports or Night Thoughts and it took a couple of listens to click - this is probably their least poppiest record so far, but it's also one of their very best. I'm comfortable with saying that I find their three most recent albums as good as their first three. What amazes me is that this is the same line-up that were responsible for Head Music... they had this stuff in them all along! Brilliant.

Not surprising to see AlXTC from Paris shitting on it like he has done with everything Suede did after Butler left, mind.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:02 (one month ago) Permalink

Ahah. You know I actually LIKED Coming Up, Head Music and Night Thoughts !
I simply don't consider them in the same league as the first period (particularly the debut + bsides). If you do, we just don't enjoy and look for the same things in music... and that's perfectly fine !

As for "shitting on Night Thoughts", you may need a reminder... :


I enjoyed it upon release (surprisingly since I never cared about Bloodsport) but somehow, it's associated with dark, gloomy moments so I haven't felt like listening to it since then.
I remember there are very good (if not brilliant) tracks and the whole thing works well.
Nowhere near their first two albums (+ SCFI#1) though.
I might give it another try.

I'm also surprised I didn't participate in this thread initially !

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 27 April 2017 10:56 (one year ago) Permalink

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 12 October 2018 09:07 (one month ago) Permalink

Don't mind Turrican gravely misrepresenting your remarks, AIXTC. He's just trying to get banned again.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 12 October 2018 09:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh I'm totally fine. I'm all love (and poison) !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 12 October 2018 09:26 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Trailer for the upcoming Suede doc (or 'shit haircuts I have had, 1993-2018')https://t.co/4hO8S6wdEr

— Mat Osman (@matosman) November 7, 2018


(documentary airing on Sky Arts (UK) Nov. 24)

willem, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:15 (one week ago) Permalink

This looks amazing, especially all the cam footage. I really would like to watch this as it's broadcast but.. jeez I can't buy Sky.

piscesx, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:28 (one week ago) Permalink

Should be great, hopes it's more than just Suede Behaving Badly.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:36 (one week ago) Permalink

Has Bernard been interviewed for this?

PaulTMA, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Was wondering that, too. Did not see his name listed in the NME piece linked to in the tweet. He is in the trailer though, one shot of him made me think it was taken sometime post-Suede but I'm not sure...

willem, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:33 (one week ago) Permalink

From the trailer it just looks like bits from the interviews on those album reissues a few years back.

piscesx, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:36 (one week ago) Permalink

.. this ere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHuvoELaII

piscesx, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:37 (one week ago) Permalink


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