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classic or dud
search and destroy

i can't believe this one hasn't been done yet.

gareth, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I agree, Gareth - I've meant to do it myself. But forgive me for saying that C/D and S/D may not be the most interesting approach. Even people who hate the sound of Suede (and their number is legion) may well agree that they were 'significant'. So - I think there's a discussion to be had that's not particularly about how much we like / dislike them (and I'm sure your contribution will be grate).

the pinefox, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

It's been done enough in other threads, though.

I would've liked their 2nd album lots if it weren't so damn over the top AND stupid. Brett Anderson should not trill. From what I've heard after that rekkid, he hasn't improved much. The music was quite agreeable, though (if a bit grandiose and grandiose).

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I heard Brett sing unaccompanied once, GAWD was it ever funny!!! Unlike Bernard Butler's solo 'songs', which are just so fucking stupid and boring that they retrospectively put me off the first two Suede albums, never mind the recent ones which are fucking stupid and boring but almost funny. "Wild Ones" and "Stay Together" are great though!

dave q, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

anyone here care to suggest that brett has ever written a good lyric?

Alan Trewartha, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Did "Still Life" rip off Ravel? I have the song sorta stuck in my head now, and I SWEAR there was an obvious classical music motif/movement they ripped off outright from some really obvious source.

David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

If anyone dares suggest Brett can write a good lyric, I will laugh at them. Here's how you write a Suede song, throw the words "nuclear" and "shaking" and "machine" into every single verse, the more inexplicable the chorus the better.

That all being said, Suede are both classic and dud. Suede with Bernie were absolutely fantastic (despite godawful production), dogmanstar was one of my favorite albums for ages. Then Bernie left. Brett's voice has gotten continually worse (which would've happened with or without Bernie, just very convenient it happened when it did), and the song structures are not as good. They've become a parody of themselves. Though the dance mix of Everything Will Flow is fantastic.

Search: The first two albums, Stay Together EP

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

What Ally said, 'cept I actually like the production on the first two records.

Andy, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I really liked "on the high wire, dressed in a leotard/there wobbles one hell of a retard." And "he writes the line wrote down my spine/It says 'oh do you believe in love there?' " always gave me a little shiver. So go ahead and laugh, Ally and Alan, I can take it. I'm with you on everything else you said, Ally.

Arthur, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm not really that familiar with them, just the really popular songs that get played at Britpop nights, like "Trash." One of those bands that rip off their predecessors (Bowie) so well that I can't help but enjoy them -- but wouldn't spend much money on them, either.

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original. It's shorter, less subtle, and very glam, but great because of that .. check it out, if you're a Suede afficionado.

Chris, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

DESTROY ALL RECORDS BY SUEDE YOU EVER COME ACROSS

alex in mainhattan, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy: Neil Codling.

Most unfair, he's left the band too. ;-) I always appreciated his Louche Bastard nature on stage.

Anyway, I'm hardly neutral in this, as I fired up the Suede fan mailing list six years back and have stuck with it ever since. They've definitely had their ups and downs, but I still like 'em -- still, the new album really does need to do better than the last. Right now I'm looking forward to the DVD video collection, and they just played in Portugal and apparently did a great job.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

You need the word "animal" too, Ally.

I think : Bernard-era - not very good at all. Bad production, bad Bowie impersonation from Anderson and as everyone agrees, mainly dire words. "To the Birds" (B-side of The Drowners) is ace though.

"Coming Up" - similar production, slightly worse songs, a few good hooks - overall the sound of wheels spinning.

"Head Music" - Their best. Inessential, but likeable.

As for Pinefox's question about significance - I'd say not, at least not in any definition of 'significance' that I recognize. They were/are a competent glam-rock band for the 90's who failed to transcend their all-too-obvious influences (Bowie/Steve Harley/Roxy).

Dr. C, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I love them. Even their b-sides collection is ace. "Head Music" is their worst tho, in my opinion. I hope there's a new one soon, and hope it's better than "Head Music".

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

A couple of observations. David their second album is great precisely because it's over the top, grandiose and stupid. If this is the sound of a band falling apart then more bands should do it. It's one of Elton John's favourites, which ordinarily would be enough to bury it in lava but I'm with Reg on this one.

The beautiful ones has the best lyrics of any song written in the 90's.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm back to say their debut may be one of my favorite albums ever. Love the third one, too.

Anyone heard Bernard's solo LP? It was so boring and bland I wanted to fling it in the garbage; traded it in for a couple bucks instead.

Sean, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

His solo LPs are terrible, why did he do that? He can't sing you know.

Ally, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

He actually carried off fairly well live, but that was an unplugged show and he wasn't straining very much. But yes, when I first heard him sing, I thought it was a bit of a reach...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Hardcore Suede fans tend to = dud though, I know a few and they're embarassing.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I see, you hate me, DG. *cries*

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Not you, you silly Raggetty person. People who I know who sign their emails "The one and only trash pop slut", that kind of thing.

DG, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Suede were great. My 90s band. Since I missed Moz/Marr & Co in the 80s, Suede had to compensate... Awesome live, if you dig that kind of "You love us and We know it" performances. Meeting them was great. Brett chatted up my girlfriend, and I chatted up Brett. Those were lovely times. I really do believe it is one of the best examples of "love em or hate em" one can think of.
I never played "Head Music" in its entirety, note. But the singles up to and including "She's in fashion" are great. And cd1 of "Lullabies", obviously. And "Stay Together"... Is better than "Whatever"!

Simon, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Back in the day I was a downright slavering fanatic, which seems a bit sad in retrospect. Their first four or five singles were absolutely flawless, with nary a dud on them. Everything else up through and including Comiing Up has tended to be patchy, though there's still some good songs to be found.

That said, Head Music was the absolute end for me. It was painfully dull, and the lyrics were so beyond the pale it just seemed ludicrous to keep listening. I tried liking it (in fact I still sort of like Can't Get Enough), but in the end I've lost all affection for them.

Still, I'd probably get the dvd if it wasn't Region 2 encoding.

Nicole, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Suede, the Bauhaus of the 90s (the lyrics, the bowie-isms, the hysteria?, maybe better on the music side, but then Brett&co didn't record a standard like Bela Lugosi's Dead...

erik, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Insignificant. The fake-gay flip-side of Oasis. But as with Oasis capable of some great songs. I like 'Animal Nitrate', for that tagged- on wank-solo, 'Saturday Night' and 'Beautiful Ones'. Also liked: those hilarious Brett love-handles and Neil Codling was just a classic beautiful "me, I'm very bored" English boy.

Omar, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

significant. wow, i get to disagree with Omar! now, i typed a fairly long answer to this, which seems to have disappeared. so a truncated answer will suffice.

i agree with Ally that they became a parody, well rather a facsimile of themselves around Coming Up

i disagree with Ally saying this is a bad thing. For me Coming Up is the best album they did. it has an ease, an effortless, like the pressure to be grandiose a la DMS had been lifted. By The Sea, The Chemistry Between Us absoultely superb. Beautiful Ones and Trash great singles. i like the spangly shinyness of this album, which wasn't present on the earlier stuff. in this way i like to think of it as an anglo Hit To Death In The Future Head. Ilike the fact that Bernard had gone by this point. the adding of Codling - a good move. it is suede being themselves. a parody? yes, possibly. i want to say 'trite in a good way' here. i want to say Bretts singing is very good on this album.

to be honest, this is the only one i play regularly. but Dog Man Star very good too. in places. Wild Ones, New Generation, 2 of us in particular. daddys speeding too. it is grandiose, but i think they aimed high, and only partially succeeded. still, some great stuff on there though.

they seem to have escaped the 90s pretty much unscathed though. in comparison to their contemporaries anyway. but then, who are their contemporaries. surely we're not suggesting blur, supergrass and oasis are we? i do hope not. Pulp, yes maybe. but they have become too closely identified with Different Class. they are unable to escape that moment, it signifies a moment too closely. post DC they have been dirgeful.

i am interested in whether the pinefox is a Suede fan. this seems unlikely, but then his liking of oasis and non-love of nick drake was also surprising.

gareth, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

How were they significant, Gareth? They didn't change anything, for better or worse. They didn't do anything which hadn't been done (better) before. You might say they were very good, not that I agree, but significant? No.

Dr. C, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I find them well-nigh unbearable now. Dog Man Star is a record I honestly don't think I could ever physically sit through again, even for money. Honestly, there's fuck-all difference between them and Placebo. Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots. But like a lot of people I fell for it at the time - now I'm prouder of once being into Carter USM, frankly.

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

For me the magic has worn off and left a lot of rusty glitter. That much is true. No, they don't mean what they did. And so, no, the listening experience is not what it was. (I was never a Fan, wearing the togs, believing the hype, or anything - but I did respect the music, and close-up, live, they were sweatily astounding.)

But I did think them significant. I think they represented a union of 'indie world' and 'media hype' - of alternative and mainstream, more simply - which seems natural now but was genuinely strange then. They did on (retrospectively) a homely scale what Oasis then went and did on an absurd scale. In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

I also think they had good material, and good musicianship. The first LP was a fine debut, but DMS beat it - it was a remarkable record, a masterpiece, within the Suede perspective. If you don't like that 'world' (lyrics, sound etc) then it's just an ugly folly, I daresay, but if you do (as to an extent I did when it came out) it felt like a very major achievement. Better, I'd still say, than Different Class, This Is Hardcore, The Great Escape, Be Here Now and a bunch of other Britpop behemoths. (But not necessarily better than, for instance, Parklife - another record I view as Significant.)

the pinefox, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Can we not just forget about this silly little band? Were they really influential? I can't imagine they were. Maybe in some narrow field of idiocy.

Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

THE DROWNERS IS THE BEST SONG EVER, WHY HAS NO ONE MENTIONED THIS YET?

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Nick just doesn't want people to be reminded of the fact he looks like Neil Codling.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

That’s it, you had to get into their “perspective”, their “Suedeworld”.

I loved the flashness of Coming Up when it came along in the autumn of 96. You just had to admire Anderson’s survivalist instincts despite it being obvious they were never to be centre stage again. It had a cetain romance about it. They went for that deliberately cold, robotic, and mechanized sound with Head Music but what initially to me sounded brilliant soon wore away after a few weeks – it was the Suede LP that was stranded without context.

Saw them from speaker distance in the 100 club between their first 2 singles at the height of the hype and it was fantastic esp. after spending the summer at lank haired grunge gigs. I remember some of the radio interviews around the time of the DMS release. Brett seemed fucked out of it from the drugs but the album seemed like a strange but necessary anomaly in those last months of 1994 amongst the explosion of jungle, trip hop and Loaded culture. Anderson might have been an asshole but rather him than the whining and supercilious musoness of Butler.

Fave songs: The Chemistry Between Us, Wild Ones,

David Gunnip, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I actually own The Drowners.

But THEN I SAW SENSE

Nick, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

That was around the time Sense and Sensibility came out, wasn't it? Gotta love that Hugh Grant...

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

The one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Pinefox: In other words, I think they represent a major stage in The Reclassification Of 'Indie'.

yes, i believe pinefox is correct here. although curiously i'm not sure whether they reaped the benefit of this or not (i suppose they sold a lot of records).

Tom: Isn't glamour and decadence meant to be intelligent and fierce and surprising? Brett Anderson seemed like he'd gone and bought a Decadence Kit from Boots.

i'm not necessarily convinced of this. why should glamour/decadence be the above? i kind of like the fact that it was a bit faux in that respect. i think of the 'shtick' as being people from seaside towns looking towards metropolis as being exciting and glamourous, rather than glamourous itself. i think this removal, a slight distance if you will, lends it the english quality, as also seen in the obvious comparisons (tindersticks, the bowie of 'london boys', smiths) and also perhaps the less obvious (the sundays - although i'm not sure how i would articulate what i mean here), which for example the lumbering plod of oasis or blur could never hope to achieve.

the production (esp the drums) reminds me in a way of happy mondays (i think it is the big echoey drums, there is an 80s-ness about that)

the one and only trash pop slut, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Why, Gareth? Well because if it isn't then what's the difference between 'glamour' like wot Brett did and 'piling on the slap and getting off your face' like wot everyone in Ritzys nightclub does?

Tom, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

There are different types of glamour and different types of attitude; not all glamour can be Marilyn Monroe; some of it needs to be Patsy & Edina.

I mean, just think of it this way, Brett looked less Instant Decadance than the Manics did. I mean, talk about putting any old clap on and then pretending to be fabulous, lordy.

NICK YOU HAVE NO SENSE.

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I luv Gareth, if the real bloke who signs himself 'the one and only trash pop slut' saw that, he'd be SO pissed off.

DG, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"The Drowners" is my favorite single of the early 90s. Maybe favorite 90s single, period, I'll have to think about that.

A Homosexual Who's Had Several Bisexual Experiences, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

To the twelve-year old jamesmichaelward, Stay Together was one of the bestest things ever.

jamesmichaelward, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Stay Together was beautiful.

So what does everyone think of the McAlmont & Butler album then?

Ally, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

I really liked it -- McAlmont is a great singer and performer. BB was a mentalist to think people would rather listen to his irritating weedy voice than McAlmont or Brett.

Nicole, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"McAlmont and Butler" is fantastic. How the hell did Bernard Butler get from that to....ugh...whatever he did afterwards?

Norman Phay, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

'Animal Nitrate' was their best song I thought. I want to know whether other people thought that was their best song.

maryann, Thursday, 1 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Of course it's amazing. Some days I prefer "Metal Mickey".

Sean, Friday, 2 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

"What does it take to turn you on...?!" is one the best phrases in pop.

Simon, Saturday, 3 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

But they do a cover of Elvis Costello's "Shipbuilding" that I absolutely love, probably more so than the original.
No way Chris. The one and only version of "Shipbuilding" is and will always be Robert Wyatt's. But nevertheless it is probably the best song Brett Anderson has ever sung. ;-)

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Brett Anderson as shipbuilder = too great a leap of imagination

Nick, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty years ago) link

Thanks !
Listening to « Pantomime Horse », it’s also so obvious (all these amazing guitar lines undulating and hitting like an orchestra... it’s a submerged cathedral of sounds ! also the bass grooves adds to sensuality)

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 11 October 2018 11:43 (three years ago) link

Naturally, I think the new album is incredible although it wasn't as immediate for me as either Bloodsports or Night Thoughts and it took a couple of listens to click - this is probably their least poppiest record so far, but it's also one of their very best. I'm comfortable with saying that I find their three most recent albums as good as their first three. What amazes me is that this is the same line-up that were responsible for Head Music... they had this stuff in them all along! Brilliant.

Not surprising to see AlXTC from Paris shitting on it like he has done with everything Suede did after Butler left, mind.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 11 October 2018 18:02 (three years ago) link

Ahah. You know I actually LIKED Coming Up, Head Music and Night Thoughts !
I simply don't consider them in the same league as the first period (particularly the debut + bsides). If you do, we just don't enjoy and look for the same things in music... and that's perfectly fine !

As for "shitting on Night Thoughts", you may need a reminder... :


I enjoyed it upon release (surprisingly since I never cared about Bloodsport) but somehow, it's associated with dark, gloomy moments so I haven't felt like listening to it since then.
I remember there are very good (if not brilliant) tracks and the whole thing works well.
Nowhere near their first two albums (+ SCFI#1) though.
I might give it another try.

I'm also surprised I didn't participate in this thread initially !

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 27 April 2017 10:56 (one year ago) Permalink

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 12 October 2018 09:07 (three years ago) link

Don't mind Turrican gravely misrepresenting your remarks, AIXTC. He's just trying to get banned again.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 12 October 2018 09:10 (three years ago) link

Oh I'm totally fine. I'm all love (and poison) !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 12 October 2018 09:26 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Trailer for the upcoming Suede doc (or 'shit haircuts I have had, 1993-2018')https://t.co/4hO8S6wdEr

— Mat Osman (@matosman) November 7, 2018


(documentary airing on Sky Arts (UK) Nov. 24)

willem, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:15 (three years ago) link

This looks amazing, especially all the cam footage. I really would like to watch this as it's broadcast but.. jeez I can't buy Sky.

piscesx, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:28 (three years ago) link

Should be great, hopes it's more than just Suede Behaving Badly.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:36 (three years ago) link

Has Bernard been interviewed for this?

PaulTMA, Thursday, 8 November 2018 14:54 (three years ago) link

Was wondering that, too. Did not see his name listed in the NME piece linked to in the tweet. He is in the trailer though, one shot of him made me think it was taken sometime post-Suede but I'm not sure...

willem, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:33 (three years ago) link

From the trailer it just looks like bits from the interviews on those album reissues a few years back.

piscesx, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:36 (three years ago) link

.. this ere:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHuvoELaII

piscesx, Thursday, 8 November 2018 15:37 (three years ago) link

three years pass...

Remarkable to think they're on their fourth album in the reunion -- one away from matching the amount of the first run!

AUTOFICTION, the upcoming album from Suede featuring lead single 'She Still Leads Me On', is available to pre-order now from https://t.co/3DTE4GKm6z. pic.twitter.com/JmxeIZv2xl

— Suede HQ (@suedeHQ) May 23, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 May 2022 17:06 (four months ago) link

Suede, made up of Brett Anderson, Mat Osman, Simon Gilbert, Richard Oakes and Neil Codling, went “back to basics” for this new record according to a press statement.

PaulTMA, Monday, 23 May 2022 19:11 (four months ago) link

Yes, but was there a room?

Vinnie, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 01:02 (four months ago) link

5 guys, 1 room

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 07:31 (four months ago) link

Bloodsports was a 'back to basics' effort that fell almost completely flat imo, and the last two albums have been pretty great, so...hmm

imago, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 08:39 (four months ago) link

That new single gives me no hope of great things to come... But I'm not really representative of their public anymore I guess since I didn't really care for any of their latest albums.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 08:50 (four months ago) link

I still haven't properly dug into Suede Mark III (although bloody love "Fautlines"). I like the new single, although weirdly the beat makes it sound very "indie" in a way Suede aren't usually.

Is there anything as good as Apollo 13 on the rest of the Tears record?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 09:26 (four months ago) link

Oh I love the Tears record !
For me it's an approximation of what the 3rd Suede album could have been if Butler had stayed : lighter, poppier with a rnb/soul touch (basically a mix between coming up and yes !) but 8 years later...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 09:34 (four months ago) link

some interesting ideas on their recent material, I just can't get with the production

would love to catch them live, happy they're still at it

corrs unplugged, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 10:41 (four months ago) link

Bloodsports was a 'back to basics' effort that fell almost completely flat imo, and the last two albums have been pretty great, so...hmm

Haha we have the exact opposite opinion on this run of albums. Bloodsports is the only one I'd save in a fire.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 25 May 2022 11:59 (four months ago) link

I'm experiencing diminishing returns with the reunion albums. Apart from Barriers being a slightly disappointing opener, I thought Bloodsports was fantastic and a great apology record for A New Morning and how it ended the first time round. Snowblind, It Starts & Ends With You and Hit Me are great Suede in glam pop mode moments and the darker ballads at the end are all really effective. I still play the album a lot. Night Thoughts is good but can be a bit much in one sitting. Some of the upbeat songs (especially Like Kids) aren't up to much. I've listened to Blue Hour several times and still can't remember a single song on it. It's not a New Morning style embarrassment, but just a bit bland.

Overall, I'm glad they're still going and they've done an excellent job of reminding people of why they were so special. It was tragic how it ended. If they'd called it a day after Head Music (using the good songs like Simon, Oceans and You Belong to Me from the New Morning era as the token new songs on the best of) their legacy wouldn't have been in tatters for those few years.

I'll still check out the new album. Based on the new single and the description, I'm actually looking forward it more than the last one.

kitchen person, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 14:58 (four months ago) link

three months pass...

Well FINALLY touring here in the US again. Plus another band, it turns out!

https://americansongwriter.com/the-london-suede-manic-street-preachers-tour-north-america-in-2022/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 16:17 (two weeks ago) link

O_O

brimstead, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:17 (two weeks ago) link

Since I've been digging through and posting old Late Night talk show performances...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEKGxtNov_4

Suede doing the Top 10 US Modern Rock hit "Metal Mickey" on Jay Leno in '93.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 September 2022 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

Holy shit!!!! Suede US tour!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 18:48 (two weeks ago) link

xpost Saw that at the time!

And yes a tour at long last. They did do a one-off at Coachella when the reunion first happened but nothing over here since -- it's quite literally over 25 years now since the last US tour.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 20:55 (two weeks ago) link

I somehow totally missed that there was another new album coming. I read some review of their secret show this past week and it compared them to the Cult, which I'd never considered. But this song sounds a bit like the Cult, lol, and is also pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVJxcYwcUE

(YT makes it sound like it was recorded in a bathroom, for some reason)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 13 September 2022 23:57 (two weeks ago) link

Got two pretty good seats in the presale, $250 total inc. fees. Suck it, Springsteen.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

I got middling but only ~$70 seats for Toronto, still happy! It’s a small and beautiful venue

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 15:58 (two weeks ago) link

xxp it sounds a bit Cult-y but is that because of the guitar intro and there being a shit-ton of reverb on everything? Anyway this song rules but yet again I'm wishing I could hear Brett's vocals clearly:

"We are stink in the aaaarse" = "We are stained in our hearts"

"Laying in the Roman" = "Lying in the road"

Being cheap is expensive (snoball), Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

"We are stink in the aaaarse" can be the new "She smells farts."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:37 (two weeks ago) link

Got GA on the floor at the Warfield, $70 including charges! No complaints!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:47 (two weeks ago) link

Looks like there are still lots of reasonable tix here. Every once in a while I check back in, see them and think, shit, I should just buy some more! Kind of like when you're in a record store and you find a super cheap copy of an album you like and just buy it to give to someone some day.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 14 September 2022 17:55 (two weeks ago) link

Looking over my old ticket stubs I have seen Suede twice

June 11, 1993 Hollywood Colonnade

And then with the Cranberries
October 2, 1993

I might have also seen them when I lived in San Francisco as well if they toured?

I want to go but this might come down to the 1975 or. If that's the case then the 1975 will win.

Bee OK, Thursday, 15 September 2022 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

And then with the Cranberries
October 2, 1993

Was there as well! Had been hanging with Sony/Polygram promo friends beforehand, which led to an amusing run in with half the Cranberries along the way.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 15 September 2022 01:54 (two weeks ago) link

Really enjoying Autofiction so far, and it really reminds me - appropriately enough - of the Manics.

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 15 September 2022 23:15 (two weeks ago) link

Brett almost sounds like JDB at points of That Boy on the Stage

you can see me from westbury white horse, Thursday, 15 September 2022 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

"We are stink in the aaaarse" = "We are stained in our hearts"

― Being cheap is expensive (snoball)

I was hearing "we are Sting in our hearts".

Sounds good on first listen. Lots of it reminds me of early U2. They really did an excellent job with this whole comeback.

kitchen person, Friday, 16 September 2022 02:35 (one week ago) link

this is decent, improves after a rocky start, but i'll take the two previous albums over it

imago, Friday, 16 September 2022 12:41 (one week ago) link

I'm loving this one. Not as much as Night Thoughts but for sure more than (what I remember of) Blue Hour.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 September 2022 22:24 (one week ago) link

Really is a strong album. Occurred to me today that there really are very few examples of a reunion phase like this happening at all to work so well; even if, as past posts are showing, there's high points and lower ones for folks -- I enjoy them all in different ways -- to have a run like this makes me think of nothing so much as Roxy Music's late seventies return or perhaps more appropriately the continuing existences of Wire, and even in the latter case Bruce Gilbert permanently left a while back into their third phase whereas this looks like it'll just keep on until the core five decide they've had their fun -- given the reception this album's received already and the live reports I'm sure we're getting a fifth album and therefore a full equal run to the first decade. Almost uncharted territory.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 September 2022 23:10 (one week ago) link

Like I wrote on Twitter, the production for once mixes the voice and guitars so that they're not shrilly at odds.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2022 23:31 (one week ago) link

I haven't heard this record yet but I will soon. I notice I'm flip-flopping all over the place in the thread above about the post-2010 stuff. For most of the past decade, I think I mostly only ever listened to these records on headphones, where they do tend to sound truly diabolical. Recently, I made a point of listening to all of them through speakers - even reading the lyrics while doing so - and the experience was revelatory. Fuck me, with a bit of air between your ears and the overstuffed arrangements, these records are really fucking good. Night Thoughts especially. I've never heard such perfect descriptions of stifled middle-aged horniness. For example, I was amused to discover that the song Outsiders, which I'd previously dismissed as Suede-by-numbers with a title to match, was actually about two people having the kind of affair where you literally have to fuck outdoors.

Anyway, when I do hear the new one, I'll give it a proper listen before jumping in with any criticisms.

Eyeball Kicks, Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:32 (one week ago) link

I look forward to your listen.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:35 (one week ago) link

Because streaming is so easy I tend to listen to music in the shittiest manner possible, almost like a transistor radio. but when I listen on the stereo and actually get the physicality of the music, it's such a refreshing change.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 September 2022 23:47 (one week ago) link

Surprised to see this go in at number two and be their highest charting album since Head Music. I know album sales are crazy low at the moment, but 14,000 is actually not too bad and apparently higher than the last few (Blue Hour opened with 10,000). Even though I'm still unsure about some of the album, I'm happy for them and what they've achieved with this comeback. Keeping up the momentum this long since their reunion show in 2010 is not something I expected. It's crazy to think that the same time has passed from Bloodsports to the new one as their debut to A New Morning.

kitchen person, Saturday, 24 September 2022 15:55 (five days ago) link

I bought tickets to their Chicago show, since I never expected I’d see them live. (I was also too young for their peak, having only started listening to them in 2005, in my 20s). I remember hearing the Tears and some of their first comeback LP, but I see I’ve missed a lot in the interim. Guess I’ll have to brush up on their last few, or at least, find a "best of" playlist that covers the last ten years. I have even less idea of what the Manics have been up to—I’m a fan of The Holy Bible more than I’m a fan of the band, though I dig assorted other songs.

blatherskite, Saturday, 24 September 2022 16:05 (five days ago) link

I keep getting stuck replaying Personality Disorder and forget to listen to the rest of the record

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 27 September 2022 15:44 (two days ago) link


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