What Can't You Find On The Internet?

oh nevermind, i found it. no dedicated thread for it, but a passing mention in 5-6 threads. i mentioned it myself in a couple!

Is HG Wells's character Dr. Moreau named after the artist Gustave Moreau? There would appear to be a connection via a vis "fauvism", the movement which Gustave Moreau founded is derived from "les fauves", I.e. the French term for wild beasts, which the mad scientist experimented on, but I cannot see this either confirmed or denied.

I think the the answer may or may not be in this article/

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4240981

Maupertuis: Doppelgänger of Doctor Moreau

is there a thread for posting things you find? i found a nice short little shopping list at my supermarket, gotta share it

The name of a book published around 1912 that contained offensive (for the time) songs and poems. I think the title started with an I. And it was available on Google Books.

is it possible on today's internet to encounter opinions that challenge the hegemony of Content? it seems now that 99% of search results are phony blog posts (etc.) that were obviously only written for the clicks. and so the industry of content marketing seems to dominate. searching for "criticism of content marketing" and other such terms just leads to more phony content, stuff like: "How to persuade the naysayers on your team to get on board with content marketing"

should i just accept that this is the internet now? i'm asking because i have a hunch that there is some overlap here with people who advocate for a free and open internet. or, you know, people who desire to foster real community or, failing that, to inhabit digital space that isn't 100% monetized?

is it partially my fault (through ignorance and laziness) for relying too much on the big search engines? are there alternatives for research and discovery that i'm not aware of?

Ironically, since the original message was posted way back in 2001 there was a complete track listing of the Now That's What I Call Music albums - on Wikipedia. But because the US audience isn't aware of those albums it was deleted and merged into a Now That's Etc (UK Series) stub. So there's a good example of content being available, and then not being available entirely because I am not in charge of the internet. I remember a similar thing happened with Playboy Playmates. Individual Pages -> "Playmates of the 1970s" -> Individual Pages Again -> "Playmates of the 1970s" etc.

As for the hegemony of content, there is an awful lot of robo-generated rubbish, typically with "solved [2022]" in the titles. However the internet circa 1995 was Usenet, forums, and the occasional user-generated page, all of which still exists in one form or another. I have to admit that I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but I can't just write one paragraph, and in any case it doesn't matter as long as I sound authoritative.

is it possible on today's internet to encounter opinions that challenge the hegemony of Content? it seems now that 99% of search results are phony blog posts (etc.) that were obviously only written for the clicks. and so the industry of content marketing seems to dominate. searching for "criticism of content marketing" and other such terms just leads to more phony content, stuff like: "How to persuade the naysayers on your team to get on board with content marketing"

should i just accept that this is the internet now? i'm asking because i have a hunch that there is some overlap here with people who advocate for a free and open internet. or, you know, people who desire to foster real community or, failing that, to inhabit digital space that isn't 100% monetized?

is it partially my fault (through ignorance and laziness) for relying too much on the big search engines? are there alternatives for research and discovery that i'm not aware of?

― budo jeru, Wednesday, July 6, 2022 1:26 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

sorry glib answer but go to a library.

longer answer is that it's always been this way to a degree, sourcing has always been a challenge, there isn't some golden age of "type in search engine" -> "get oed quality source". idk what you're actually looking for but it's still more productive to collect good sources in some kind of feed (like twitter) than it is to google something imo.

is it possible on today's internet to encounter opinions that challenge the hegemony of Content? it seems now that 99% of search results are phony blog posts (etc.) that were obviously only written for the clicks. and so the industry of content marketing seems to dominate. searching for "criticism of content marketing" and other such terms just leads to more phony content, stuff like: "How to persuade the naysayers on your team to get on board with content marketing"

― budo jeru

serious answer:

https://collectiveliberation.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Lorde_The_Masters_Tools.pdf

thanks, Kate.

so if i could re-write my post, it would go like this.

1. can anyone recommend an interesting / critical perspective -- via book, blog post, article, twitter thread, etc. -- about the ubiquity of content and the techniques of content marketing?

2. seeking recommendations for twitter feeds, blogs, authors, even ILX threads i'm not aware of, that focus on the internet, and particularly advocates for free / open online spaces.

thanks

i'm gonna bump an old DJP thread, "Enter... THE DISCOURSE", to give my serious thoughts

A recording of a quiz where a guy correctly identifies Bob Marley tunes from their intro drum rolls?

^ i tried to find that, too, and failed

this is a book that seems to be investigating some of the issues i was trying and failing to articulate. basically it's a book that argues that the internet needs to be de-privatized. i'm hoping to track down a copy and read it soon.

https://www.versobooks.com/books/3927-internet-for-the-people

have you read any Jaron Lanier?he kinda of goes into this thing in who owns the future

What Can't You Find On The Internet?

An explanation of the Burt Shotton Syndrome.

brimstead, no i haven't read him. thanks for the recommendation.

Looking for some evidence that back in the 70s, ICI developed a soft drinks packaging which kept the drink cold. IIRC it was tube shaped and had a plastic seal at the top.

― Dan Worsley, Monday, August 28, 2017 5:05 PM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Still looking.

does this help?

maybe not 100% ICI *exactly* but

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMI_plc : "The company, by then known as Nobel Explosives, was one of the four businesses that merged in 1927 to create Imperial Chemical Industries."

"an unofficial history of Kynoch works" (lined on that Wikipedia page) -> http://www.staffshomeguard.co.uk/KOtherInformationKynochV2B.htm

- 1969 A 51% stake is acquired in Paxman Cooler Manufacturing Co. of Brighouse (beverage cooling and dispensing).
- 1990 MK Refrigeration Group (drinks cooling equipment and optics) is acquired
- 1997 also mentions beer coolers
- 2010 as well

+ 1979 as well: A new group is formed, IMI Drinks Dispense, comprising Paxman and Redditch Controls and a new company is established with Cornelius, USA.

(just look for "cool" and "drinks" on that page :-) )

Thanks, Stan. Some good info there, but not any further forward.

My Dad worked for ICI in the UK during the late seventies, I'll ask him if he knows anything about that.

A recording of a quiz where a guy correctly identifies Bob Marley tunes from their intro drum rolls?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KkoLsuWYsY

gotcha

ah cool, I went looking for it too, cause yes, I remembered, and even though I was pretty sure the guy was either Danish or Norwegian, I wasn’t able to find it.

Three boring examples. Both aviation-related because that's what I writing at the moment. I was reading about the post-war Malaysian Emergency, and the headline in this newspaper caught my eye:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_HYoAAAAIBAJ&lpg=PA1&dq=malaya%20army%20burned%20village&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=malaya%20army%20burned%20village&f=false

"BRITISH WILL BURN VILLAGE IN MALAYA - British authorities will put the torch to an entire village in Southern Selangor State in Malaya in order to wipe out what they say is a "wasps' nest" of Communist terrorists. ... Already all the 1,500 inhabitants of Jenderam have been moved out of the village and place in a detention camp at Kluang, in Johore State, just north of Singapore. ... The authorities moved out all cattle and personal properties of Malays, Indonesians and Chinese in the village. These were sold at public auction and the money turned over to the owners."

It's not the kind of headline you see nowadays. It almost give the impression that we were the bad guys! I remember wondering what happened to the place, and if it still exists. Google Maps shows a road with some houses called Jenderam in that state, but who knows. Beyond that newspaper article the internet is completely silent on the destruction of Jenderam and the 1,500 people who called it home. Presumably it wasn't an unusual occurrence at the time. I imagine the same of true of countless small villages and towns destroyed during the Second World War that are now just a few stones next to a crossroads.

The second example I can't even remember myself, so I don't expect the internet to remember it. I remember reading about an incident in which a civilian airliner was shot down in Malaysia, with some of the survivors murdered on the ground, and in retaliation the British army burned down another local village. Again the only trace of this was a contemporary newspaper scan, the tenor of which was that it was just one of those things. And yet after going the Aviation Safety database's list of crashes in Malaysia during the Emergency I can't find any civilian losses. But I have a vivid memory of seeing a scratchy, badly-scanned news article. I realise two similar incidents happened in Rhodesia many years later, but it wasn't either of them.

The third? At the end of the Second World War there was a brief wave of airliners that were converted from war-surplus bombers. Really bad airliners, because bombers aren't the right shape. The Avro Lancastrian was based on the Lancaster, and it had a terrible safety record, with about one-third of the total production lost in accidents:
https://aviation-safety.net/database/types/Avro-691-Lancastrian/losses

It carried nine passengers and four crew, but right at the end of the list, in 1960, there's an Argentine Air Force Lancastrian that crashed with 31 fatalities. Three times as many as any other Lancastrian. Why the discrepancy? Was it carrying paratroops, or was it being used as an overloaded military transport? It seems to be impossible to tell. It's an obscure crash from long ago, sourced from an Argentine newspaper, and it tends to be overshadowed by the crash of Star Dust, the wreckage of which was discovered a few years ago.

In general this kind of thing doesn't leave much on the internet. Air crashes from long ago, sourced to a newspaper. Especially in the days when air travel was risky. The recent shoot-down and disappearance of a pair of Malaysian Airways airliners also obscures the picture.

The recency bias on these search engines has an effect of just erasing anything older than like 10 years ago, it’s fucked up

@écorché: I did find 'Pancake Day' in this nice 'n odd mix. It starts around 47m23 in the mp3 here

― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 16:02 (five years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Very late to this but thank you! Still up too, which is impressive as the last update to that page was 2013.

i can't find the fucking gun violence thread to report school shootings. i am shaken up. one just happened a block away, i was outside when it happened, i heard all the shots, both the initial and all the police shooting the person at the end (i assume). i'm just trying to report in that i'm ok, in case anyone knows i live right there

oh my god
Karl that must be terrifying!

heres the one

Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

glad you're okay!!!!

it wasn't fun. :(

i have to say, the police response was incredibly fast. i heard the shots on my walk, about 3 minutes away from my home, and as i rushed home there were already a dozen police cars racing toward the school. i got inside and let my neighbors know, and then dozens of more gunshots, and it was over. the suspect is in custody, apparently, and the situation is now "safe" (although all the kids are being evacuated to another HS down the street, the Schnucks, a diner).

jfc. it was really such a beautiful day, with the leaves and everything. i hate this fucking world

nobody was hurt??

at least 6 in the hospital. details aren't out yet, who is dead, who is alive, who is student, staff, or the shooter

Jesus christ

Oh Karl, that's so horrifying. Hoping the best for all the survivors, and for you.

a picture of a ford fiesta that looks like i remember a ford fiesta looking

Intrigued!

I roughly think of this:

https://i.imgur.com/4KeFKYZ.jpg

How does your memory of it differ?

the picture accompanying today's 'we're gonna stop making the fiesta' looked like some futuristic jelly mould thing, so i did an image search and got 3 pages of just those and nothing like alba's picture (first hit was on the 18th row of pictures).

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/168007/ford-fiesta-st-performance-edition-limited-to-600-uk-drivers

Oh yes, I searched for ford fiesta 1982 or something.

norm from cheers was often seen at grunge gigs. but i can't find any proof of this on the internet (something about minutement and ilm itself turns up the husker du factoid but...)

also, wednesday addams' middle name (which i'm sure is thursday but, again, no hits)

i think i might need a new search engine

A clip of Garrett Morris saying "beisbol has been berry, berry good to me"

Wednesday Friday Addams is a fictional character created by American cartoonist Charles Addams, the only daughter in The Addams Family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wednesday_Addams

wiki-what-now?

(ha, i searched for thursday there... found nothing)

What level of evidence for Norm at grunge gigs do you need? I can't find photos or him talking about it but someone here mentions passing him a joint at a Nirvana gig:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TedLasso/comments/p8wmal/anyone_catch_this_little_easter_egg_jason/

Couple of recent Mudhoney reports:

I saw George Wendt at a @_Mudhoney show last year.

— Matthew (matt) Manson (@marxlennon) December 16, 2020

I saw George Wendt at a @mudhoney / Flesh Eaters show at the Echoplex in LA sitting on a bench and drinking a beer.

— Mark Cappelletty (@MarkCappelletty) October 27, 2021

wow, that recent? i think i remember an nme interview with him in the 90s that mentioned it

(don't really need any more proof other than someone telling me i didnt imagine it tbh)

not grunge, but Wendt is in the Replacements doc, Color Me Obsessed. also showed up in a Soul Asylum video.

I remember seeing an interview with Wendt on UK tv back in the 90s where he mentioned liking Wayne Kramer.

not grunge, but Wendt also showed up in a Ray Parker Jr. video.

A clip of Garrett Morris saying "beisbol has been berry, berry good to me"

Is it in here somewhere?

Bill Murray reports for SNL from the 1979 New York Mets' spring training camp in the first of three reports on the baseball comeback of Chico Escuela, April 7, 1979. pic.twitter.com/J0z4MoLqiv

— New York Mammoths (@NYMammoths) December 9, 2021