Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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Oilyrags, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:09 (fifteen years ago) link

This is awful.

Witness Queea Miller said the shootings took place in the parking lot.

"I was in my truck and the gunman was two cars over from me," she told CNN. She said she saw the gunman shoot in the direction of a Starbuck's coffee shop. "Then after he stopped, he re-loaded and started shooting again."

She said that, during the shootings, she and her 18-year-old daughter "lay our seats all the way back and I got to praying. You could hear the shots going off again."

Nathan, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

danbunny, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Jesus.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:39 (fifteen years ago) link

gun debate pls.

S-, Monday, 30 April 2007 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Only four dead? Amateur.

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Numbers seem to be important, judging by the way everyone on TV was going on and on about how the last one was The Biggest ever (and CNN patting themselves on the back every 15 minutes that "300,000 - no, 600,000 - no, 900,000 people have seen our amateur cell phone video! yay us!")

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:41 (fifteen years ago) link

how many sprees were shot in this case? the article doesn't say.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link

regardless, dear god. please to help people see stupidy concerning ways so this can happen less.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:58 (fifteen years ago) link

thats what you get for drinking at starbucks, obviously someone hired by a competitor

klankton, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I think school shootings have a more readily compelling narrative built into them that media types can package, since its innocent kids and teenagers that are targeted in that case.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:26 (fifteen years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

Interestingly, this is not a big story on any of the news sites I'm seeing. "Only four? Pffft. I could shoot that many people in my sleep."

kenan, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Just saw this on Belgian TV news. "Ironically, this happened in a mall called Target"

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link

tuomasphonebooth.jpg

strgn, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:02 (fifteen years ago) link

is that where a 13-year-old can buy a rifle without a background check?

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:07 (fifteen years ago) link

what, in a Finnish phone boot?

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

h

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Now the Finns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm

:/

Alba, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link

global epidemic spreads unchecked using news media as vector

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

High school shooting in Finland.

Zeno, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7246003.stm

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean come on this shit is old now

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

ffs not again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7936817.stm

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:11 (thirteen years ago) link

*placeholder for insensitive comment*

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't get the story to load. Probably for the better. (Sigh)

╓abies, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:15 (thirteen years ago) link

this one too, alabama

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/

football consultant, oakland raiders (daria-g), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:17 (thirteen years ago) link

In summary: At least ten people are believed to have been killed in a shooting spree at a German school. Shooter believed to be a former pupil (oh wait that bit has now been removed). Shooter thought to be in custody.

xpost

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link

10 dead at both shootings on the same day wtf.

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:19 (thirteen years ago) link

15 dead in germany now.
wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:13 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_gadget.phtml#rt2ig1_1236782715

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link

wait a minute, meant to indicate it's a full moon atm.

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)

yep

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting

Burt_ in the disco! Hongro blessed DJ! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, the economy. Not meant to be flip, btw, but isn't there usually an upswing in this type of crap when the economy tanks? I seem to remember a bunch of workplace shooting lined up with the 90s recession.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think 17-year old Rammstein fans are motivated by the mortgage bubble bursting, jon

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

17-year old Rammstein fans

classy

bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

It was a general comment, hadn't really delved in the details of any of the stories. I was just wondering about how trends like this tie in with the global economy turning to shit.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

There was that one dude who killed his wife and kids and self because he couldn't afford to take care of them all with two jobs and it was mega-sad.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting

A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.

Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

Super Cub, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Nhex, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM

ya some people even think its great (see thread title)

eman, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link

It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is
virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 06:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:13 (thirteen years ago) link


(sorry)

abanana, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:18 (thirteen years ago) link

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (thirteen years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Thanks for highlighting that.

Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Latest rumor is the cops went in to get their own kids before helping take down shooter

― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Wednesday, May 25, 2022 7:32 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

pls no rumors, pls

― Society for the Preservation of (cat), Wednesday, May 25, 2022 7:44 PM (yesterday)

no details, but official confirmation at 1:10 in this interview:

“1st acknowledge the brave men and women of law enforcement,” not condolences to the family first. Also, the cops engaged the shooter before he entered the school, and they are still alive? Finally, cops went in and pulled their own kids out during the active shooter threat. WTF? pic.twitter.com/4okN01jGjq

— Gale Farce (@_Sir_Perfluous) May 25, 2022

rob, Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:09 (yesterday) link


I've seen a few references to the idea that there have been court decisions establishing that police are under *zero* obligation to interfere in ongoing crimes—their duty is exclusively to investigate crimes after the fact, not to prevent crime or protect/come to the aid of victims—but none of these refs have been very official. Does anyone here know if this is true?

If so, I'm surprised I didn't hear more about that during the abolition debates in 2020, though it's certainly possible I did and forgot

― rob, Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:58 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-ne-douglas-survivor-lawsuit-federal-judge-20181217-story.html

peace, man, Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:13 (yesterday) link

i understand the criticism and it makes sense in a vacuum, but this is going to lead to more funding for training of cops in schools

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:14 (yesterday) link

because, as many have expressed, what else can we do? literally nothing happens. all they can do is half-heartedly throw money at the problem, and you know that the cops are going to swoop up all of that

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:15 (yesterday) link

thanks peace, man

I bumped the abolish thread in case people don't want to talk about this here, but @Karl, since this is apparently an established legal principle, I'm not sure I understand your response?

rob, Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:19 (yesterday) link

I cover a lot of public meetings where police funding gets discussed, and one of the cliché mantras is that "They run toward danger while everyone else is running away from danger." I guess by "run toward" they mean, "establish a perimeter at a safe distance and wait for backup."

I've seen a few references to the idea that there have been court decisions establishing that police are under *zero* obligation to interfere in ongoing crimes—their duty is exclusively to investigate crimes after the fact, not to prevent crime or protect/come to the aid of victims—but none of these refs have been very official. Does anyone here know if this is true?

I've used the phrase "janitors with guns" before.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:23 (yesterday) link

I bumped the abolish thread in case people don't want to talk about this here, but @Karl, since this is apparently an established legal principle, I'm not sure I understand your response?

hi rob, sorry i should have thrown an xp on there. i wasn't directly referring to your post (or peace, man's) about the obligation (legal) of police to do something.

i just meant, in general, as with most mass shootings, there is a sense of befuddlement afterward about what can be done to prevent them again, as the entire world points to the number of guns that we have in this country, and the other side does the "thoughts/prayers/we need more good people with guns/we need to limit the number of entry points to all buildings to 1/we are suddenly concerned with mental health" routine.

in most cases, lawmakers do absolutely nothing. in this case, since the cops were useless, it may lead to more funding more cops in the future in an effort to make them less useless.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:30 (yesterday) link

(sorry for confusion on that - rereading it, i can see that it looks like i was replying directly to you! i was more just shouting at the clouds

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:32 (yesterday) link

fuck the brave* men and women of law enforcement

dyl, Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:34 (yesterday) link

got it, Karl. and yeah I don't even know why I care at this point. for some reason I guess I get some tiny pathetic crumb of intellectual comfort from knowing the pro-cops side is lying even more than I previously knew they were lying

rob, Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:40 (yesterday) link

I guess when I'm proselytizing about "never call the cops no matter what" I can now add this to my pitch. I recently made myself look slightly insane to my parents when I freaked out after they told me it's their HOA's official policy to call the police if any resident sees anyone going door to door for any reason

rob, Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:43 (yesterday) link

I've mentioned before, but we have an absolutely obnoxious email list for our neighborhood that is filled with bootlicking boomers with way too much time on their hands and their response to literally fucking anything is to call the cops. Unfamiliar car parked legally? Call the cops. Squirrel in the back yard? Call the cops. Canvassing in the neighborhood? Call the cops. Myself and a few other neighbors that I genuinely like will push back on this mindset, frequently, responding with links to not cop associated resources when appropriate, but it's like trying to stop the rain from falling. Calling the cops is just so fucking ingrained in the brains of so many people.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 May 2022 15:50 (yesterday) link

it's true that cops don't have to help you if you're in danger.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-police-do-not-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html

bamcquern, Thursday, 26 May 2022 16:09 (yesterday) link

I’m friends with a former police officer (we knew each other long before she took on that job), and rest assured, they hate these nuisance calls.

Her favorite (not really favorite) one was someone calling the police for help with a plumbing problem.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 May 2022 16:13 (yesterday) link

i ain't passed the bar
but i know a little bit
and legally you guys
don't have to do shit

Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 May 2022 16:15 (yesterday) link

there's a good 5-4 podcast on at least one of the cases mentioned in the story that bamcquern just linked: https://www.fivefourpod.com/episodes/castle-rock-v-gonzalez/

(i also just linked this on the abolish the police thread)

mark s, Thursday, 26 May 2022 16:29 (yesterday) link

American Pie singer Don McLean has pulled out of this weekend's National Rifle Association annual meeting in Texas, following Tuesday's tragic shooting at a school in the state.

"I have decided it would be disrespectful and hurtful for me to perform," McLean said in a statement...

why the hell were you gonna play it anyway?

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:50 (yesterday) link

Every time I see the thread title I imagine Al Pacino's Ricky Roma muttering, "Another fucking spree shooting. Great. Another waste. of. time."

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:52 (yesterday) link

Fuuuuuck.

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack. Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children. pic.twitter.com/Rlk0M2B8nR

— Ernie Zuniga (@Ernie_Zuniga) May 26, 2022

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:53 (yesterday) link

Because prior to Tuesday the NRA had an unblemished reputation for... oh wait...

Seriously, I'm guessing he was getting a ton of cyber vitriol yesterday. And rightly so.

xxp

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:53 (yesterday) link

fucking hell

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:58 (yesterday) link

he should still play, being subjected to a Don McLean concert is the least of the many punishments those goblins deserve

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:59 (yesterday) link

truly a broken heart... jesus christ

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 26 May 2022 17:59 (yesterday) link

This NRA convention wasn't made for one as beautiful as you

'drove the chevy to levy and we shot at some guys...'

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:09 (yesterday) link

The NRA did not listen. They're not listening still. Perhaps they never will.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:10 (yesterday) link

“I’m sorry you think American exceptionalism is awful,” Cruz said. “You’ve got your political agenda. God love you.”

Yeah, Ted, I think we can all agree that particular example of exceptionalism is pretty awful

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:25 (yesterday) link

Do I think systemic change is imminent? No. Do I think enough people are changing their minds to make a lasting difference? Extremely doubtful. That said, I am ever so slightly heartened today to see some folks in my life who, up until this very week, have been bootlickers and toeing the "cops are great" line, start expressing doubts about that very idea and acknowledging that they really maybe aren't all that worthy of praise.

These are barely bits of crumbs of hope, but after this week I need to take solace where I can find it and fucking anything that starts to chip away at the idea that cops are good is appreciated.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:32 (yesterday) link

seeing a lot of bad faith "what law would have prevented this" arguments and it's infuriating because we know what laws actually are effective (see: every country on Earth) but also because in some sense, I know they're right

the problem is the guns. we all know that. we have 1.2 guns for every man, woman, and child in this country. we have 5% of the world's populations and 40% of the world's guns. and the reason for this is our culture is so gun crazy. an entire political party has made it their signature issue and uses the 2nd amendment as a reliable applause line. they make campaign ads with their guns. they take Christmas cards where the entire family is packing heat. half their social media posts showcase them outfitting their middle schoolers with AR-15s with captions like "triggered yet, libs?" this entire culture is based around the idea that one day, you WILL need to shoot someone. it's fucking insane. what if, instead of guns, they were holding sticks of dynamite? or vials of cyanide? you'd think these people are lunatics. but it's all normalized now and I don't know how you can reverse it. even Dem politicians start off every sentence with "look, I'm not trying to take away your guns..."

the problem with this is that every fucking campaign ad where some dipshit conservative starts shooting up some newspaper is an advertisement for guns. every Instagram post, every time they tweet "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", it's all an ad. it works the same way any product placement in any movie works. what I keep coming back to - and maybe those older than me can correct me here - is that pre-Columbine, nobody would've conceived something so horrible. I don't think it would have been in anyone's head to shoot up a fucking school no matter how depressed or bullied or "redpilled" or whatever they were. now, the idea is in everyone's head. if the world pisses you off too much, you can just shoot up a school, or a supermarket, or a church, or just start firing into a crowd. how do you go back??

frogbs, Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:35 (yesterday) link

Cops should get on their knees every night and bless Hollywood for every cop show ever. Hollywood has stuffed money in the pockets of cops with all the fervor of James Harden in a strip club.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:40 (yesterday) link

the shooter bought his guns on his 18th birthday, which was the first day he was legally allowed to buy a gun. sure seems like legal restrictions were keeping him from buying a gun before.

how do you go back??

No perfect answers, but you start with making it far more difficult to purchase assault rifles and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. An 18 year old can't buy beer, no way should they be able to buy TWO weapons in the same week. Increase background checks, increase the wait times in order to do so, and push for licensing and registration of firearms just like cars. Most of this is common sense, and some conservatives are even on board with some of it (or at least claim to be in the wake of the gun tragedy du jour.)

I'm so fucking sick of arguments like "well, if they want the gun bad enough they will buy it illegally anyway." A kid in small town Texas might not know anywhere to buy an illegal firearm, and the difficulty of finding one might just dissuade him. I'm willing to see how that works.

Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 26 May 2022 18:57 (yesterday) link

I remember years ago Feinstein briefly went on this tack: "The 2nd Amendment doesn't say word one about ammunition" and her idea at the time was a thumbprint for any ammo purchase.. it didn't go anywhere, but there's something there

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 26 May 2022 19:13 (yesterday) link

Cops should get on their knees every night and bless Hollywood for every cop show ever.

Imagine the shooter's terror if those cops had blasted "Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do" while they waited for backup to arrive.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 26 May 2022 19:14 (yesterday) link

A mom of two children at Uvalde was put in handcuffs after urging police and law enforcement to enter the school.

Once freed from her cuffs, she jumped the school fence, ran inside and sprinted out with her kids.

New from @WSJ: https://t.co/SYdgysw0gF pic.twitter.com/ZCadllw9aT

— Megan Menchaca (@meganmmenchaca) May 26, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 26 May 2022 19:16 (yesterday) link

I remember years ago Feinstein briefly went on this tack: "The 2nd Amendment doesn't say word one about ammunition" and her idea at the time was a thumbprint for any ammo purchase.. it didn't go anywhere, but there's something there

― Andy the Grasshopper

This wouldn't help for these kind of situations, since the shooter ends up dead or in custody anyway.

nickn, Thursday, 26 May 2022 19:21 (yesterday) link

You could permanently ban all gun sales tomorrow and there would still be too many.

Imagine the excrementstorm of sending police (or sheriffs or marshals or whatever) door to door through Texas, attempting to confiscate the existing guns. "Hello, sir, would you please put your seventeen guns into this bin?"

It's not feasible.

Never mind that the people charged with collecting even a fraction of the existing firearms are, themselves, probably ammosexuals who would instinctively oppose the whole project.

Note, I am not saying it's a bad idea to try to do anything, just that anything you could realistically try to do would be woefully insufficient.

I am just a squirrel in the world (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2022 21:07 (yesterday) link

Parkland should have ended the entire "good guy with a gun" shtick, but it didn't, and this probably won't either. Guns are always the answer. More people with more guns. The answer to any gun question is always more.

vent to nobody in particular. i haven't read this thread.

shut up, shut up, shut up. people keep talking about this one and they're talking about it more but not in a way that _changes_ anything they're just finding more reasons to hate the people they already hate. the right are blaming trans people and the left are blaming the cops and i'm not "both sidesing" this, i'm trans, all cops _are_ in fact bastards, but what, you think there's some critical mass of upset you can get where things will actually change? i mean, people talk about "stochastic terrorism", blaming trans people for shit brings about violence against trans people. so yeah, i hate cops, what the fuck am i supposed to do about it?

i'm sorry, all of this Discourse, it's all performance, you're talking like you're delivering closing statements on a lawyer show but nobody's _actually_ on trial. there was a time when i would have been all "we can't normalize this" and that was newtown, that was, like, 2013, and this is normal now. this is fucking normal. talk to your therapist about it if you need to, but shut the fuck up on twitter. you're not helping anything. i know i'm a hypocrite, i know i'm not helping anything, but i spend a lot of time and effort trying to prevent me from your fucking outrage trauma porn and when it doesn't work i get upset.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 26 May 2022 21:35 (yesterday) link

Saturday, June 11th, near you.

https://marchforourlives.com/march22/

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 26 May 2022 21:44 (yesterday) link

the longest journey begins with a single step ymp

gun buybacks have worked elsewhere. it galls me to give money to gun nuts but whaddya gone do

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 26 May 2022 21:48 (yesterday) link

Fair point Tracer, I am just despairing and venting some frustration. Best of all possible vibes to the many well-meaning people in this flawed world.

I am just a squirrel in the world (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 May 2022 23:10 (yesterday) link

Huh well I clicked on this thread with hope of articulating my anger and frustrating with everything surrounding gun violence in the US, but apparently on Rushomancy is allowed to vent on this thread. Fucking hell you fucking people. This shit is not about you for fuck's sake.

ian, Thursday, 26 May 2022 23:59 (yesterday) link

well she didn't read this thread and said "shut the fuck up on twitter"..... this is a pretty good place to go on n get it all out

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 27 May 2022 00:03 (two hours ago) link

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-tdsb-schools-lockdown-1.6466880

"Suspect shot dead by Toronto police after schools locked down over reports of man with rifle"

intersection near several schools

"A long barrel firearm was recovered, she said, but it's too soon to confirm whether the man was holding the weapon when officers shot him."

the heck

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 27 May 2022 00:04 (two hours ago) link

Cops will quickly for overcorrect for anyone who thinks they aren't shooting people fast enough.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 May 2022 02:14 (thirty-four minutes ago) link

Meanwhile, they've lost Lee Greenwood. I'm sure he will have a makeup date once the heat dies down. But it's at least a sign of the heat.

Statement from Lee Greenwood, who was scheduled to perform in Houston this weekend: pic.twitter.com/MOLp18W0bV

— Alli Gordon (@alligordon_) May 27, 2022

i think lee's apology should only go into effect once he writes a single song that doesn't suck

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 27 May 2022 02:46 (two minutes ago) link


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