Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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Oilyrags, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

This is awful.

Witness Queea Miller said the shootings took place in the parking lot.

"I was in my truck and the gunman was two cars over from me," she told CNN. She said she saw the gunman shoot in the direction of a Starbuck's coffee shop. "Then after he stopped, he re-loaded and started shooting again."

She said that, during the shootings, she and her 18-year-old daughter "lay our seats all the way back and I got to praying. You could hear the shots going off again."

Nathan, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

danbunny, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

Jesus.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:39 (twelve years ago) link

gun debate pls.

S-, Monday, 30 April 2007 04:29 (twelve years ago) link

Only four dead? Amateur.

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:38 (twelve years ago) link

Numbers seem to be important, judging by the way everyone on TV was going on and on about how the last one was The Biggest ever (and CNN patting themselves on the back every 15 minutes that "300,000 - no, 600,000 - no, 900,000 people have seen our amateur cell phone video! yay us!")

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

how many sprees were shot in this case? the article doesn't say.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:57 (twelve years ago) link

regardless, dear god. please to help people see stupidy concerning ways so this can happen less.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:58 (twelve years ago) link

thats what you get for drinking at starbucks, obviously someone hired by a competitor

klankton, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

I think school shootings have a more readily compelling narrative built into them that media types can package, since its innocent kids and teenagers that are targeted in that case.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

Interestingly, this is not a big story on any of the news sites I'm seeing. "Only four? Pffft. I could shoot that many people in my sleep."

kenan, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

Just saw this on Belgian TV news. "Ironically, this happened in a mall called Target"

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

tuomasphonebooth.jpg

strgn, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:02 (twelve years ago) link

is that where a 13-year-old can buy a rifle without a background check?

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

what, in a Finnish phone boot?

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

h

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

Now the Finns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm

:/

Alba, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 12:54 (eleven years ago) link

global epidemic spreads unchecked using news media as vector

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

High school shooting in Finland.

Zeno, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

three months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7246003.stm

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (eleven years ago) link

i mean come on this shit is old now

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

ffs not again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7936817.stm

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:11 (ten years ago) link

*placeholder for insensitive comment*

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:14 (ten years ago) link

I can't get the story to load. Probably for the better. (Sigh)

╓abies, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:15 (ten years ago) link

this one too, alabama

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/

football consultant, oakland raiders (daria-g), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:17 (ten years ago) link

In summary: At least ten people are believed to have been killed in a shooting spree at a German school. Shooter believed to be a former pupil (oh wait that bit has now been removed). Shooter thought to be in custody.

xpost

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:18 (ten years ago) link

10 dead at both shootings on the same day wtf.

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:19 (ten years ago) link

15 dead in germany now.
wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_gadget.phtml#rt2ig1_1236782715

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:47 (ten years ago) link

wait a minute, meant to indicate it's a full moon atm.

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:53 (ten years ago) link

wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)

yep

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting

Burt_ in the disco! Hongro blessed DJ! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:51 (ten years ago) link

Also, the economy. Not meant to be flip, btw, but isn't there usually an upswing in this type of crap when the economy tanks? I seem to remember a bunch of workplace shooting lined up with the 90s recession.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:53 (ten years ago) link

i don't think 17-year old Rammstein fans are motivated by the mortgage bubble bursting, jon

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:56 (ten years ago) link

17-year old Rammstein fans

classy

bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:57 (ten years ago) link

It was a general comment, hadn't really delved in the details of any of the stories. I was just wondering about how trends like this tie in with the global economy turning to shit.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:59 (ten years ago) link

There was that one dude who killed his wife and kids and self because he couldn't afford to take care of them all with two jobs and it was mega-sad.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:01 (ten years ago) link

The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:08 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting

A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.

Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:50 (ten years ago) link

I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

Super Cub, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:36 (ten years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (ten years ago) link

Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Nhex, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (ten years ago) link

but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM

ya some people even think its great (see thread title)

eman, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:47 (ten years ago) link

It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is
virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 06:56 (ten years ago) link

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:13 (ten years ago) link


(sorry)

abanana, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:18 (ten years ago) link

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (ten years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (ten years ago) link

The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (ten years ago) link

Thanks for highlighting that.

Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (ten years ago) link

but yeah, everything about that picture is phenomenally depressing; the idiot was carrying a fucking sword for crissakes.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:48 (one month ago) link

He looks terrified in that picture, and moments later he was dead. But this is a far right wannabe massmurderer, don't sweat it. I'm sure Breivik was nervous as well.

Frederik B, Monday, 17 June 2019 21:49 (one month ago) link

this ain't Nashville, this is Dallas

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:50 (one month ago) link

He looks terrified in that picture, and moments later he was dead. But this is a far right wannabe massmurderer, don't sweat it. I'm sure Breivik was nervous as well.

― Frederik B, Monday, June 17, 2019 11:49 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't get the analogy? Don't get what you're trying to say tbh

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:56 (one month ago) link

i'm gonna quit so i don't get trenchant or worked up about it but, regardless of what a clearly horrible person this guy was, I can't read anyone posting "lol u ded" on social media as anything more than a poisonous and soul-crushing statement of nihilism and a further expression of the problem.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:58 (one month ago) link

Completely agree.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:59 (one month ago) link

He was a fellow human and sufferer and all that, I guess, and it never feels right to gloat at someone’s death, whether it be one of these shooters or bin laden or whoevef. But I have to say, “mental help” seems like it could only be a partial solution for these people. There isn’t like one profile they all match, unfortunately. Doing this is a decision they’re making not an illness they have

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:00 (one month ago) link

again another incident that won't be as discussed as much as it should be, because the shooter fortunately failed. this case could also be held up as an example of why armed guards work (and frankly if everyone is gonna have an AR-15 may as well have armed guards to stop them...)

the "dipshit" insults aren't gonna work as a deterrent, none of the dozens of dudes presently plotting massacres think they'll go out in this manner.

omar little, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:01 (one month ago) link

But yeah, mostly ulysses otm. I don’t know the proper attitude toward evil people but devaluing life never feels right to me

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:01 (one month ago) link

(he's not as far as I can tell carrying a sword, though I might have missed something?)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:01 (one month ago) link

Fuck, Treeship, I really don't know you like this... What would be a good solution for "these people" then?

Damn.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:03 (one month ago) link

?

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:05 (one month ago) link

xp to treesh, you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED

he's got a scabbard poking out from behind him in that picture and the internet promptly found this:

pic.twitter.com/wolRKk8dNP

— Pretend NOLA (@pretendNOLA) June 17, 2019

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:05 (one month ago) link

sry treesh, got xposts mixed up <3

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:07 (one month ago) link

I guess so. But the far right ones have some ideological motive—they’re more like suicide bombers

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:07 (one month ago) link

Mental illness is a piece—they’re not “well” obviously—but not a cause

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:08 (one month ago) link

just wanna weigh in as another representative from this side of the ocean and note that calling a guy making an assault on a public building with automatic weapons a dipshit is ok

its also ok that hes dead and nobody else is

its not ok that hes dead because of whatever reason drove him to this

its a third-degree 'not ok to be ok with this', at worst a slap on the wrist for anyone calling him a dipshit

godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:08 (one month ago) link

i walk by a hundred mentally ill people on the way to work in the morning (while being a mentally ill person myself), many of whom are on drugs or in psychosis, none of them are going to attempt to massacre people for fascism. fuck this guy and ha ha at his death.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:11 (one month ago) link

i mean, "mental illness" is an enormous umbrella.

someone with antisocial personality disorder, for instance, has basically the opposite psychological profile of someone with debilitating anxiety but they're both in the dsm you know.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:14 (one month ago) link

best to keep that umbrella closed then tbf

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:16 (one month ago) link

the fuck didn't he shoot up a westboro meet so

godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:18 (one month ago) link

Open-carrying of swords is protected in Texas, BTW.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:20 (one month ago) link

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dallas-federal-building-shooter-posted-far-right-memes-about-nazis-and-confederacy

it seems like there are internet subcultures that are actually encouraging this. which--maybe that's "duh"--but i think it's worth acknowledging. seems like a social phenomenon rather than just about individual pathology.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:20 (one month ago) link

While not inherently political, anime body pillows are

mark s, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:25 (one month ago) link

why are anime nerds white supremacists now?

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:27 (one month ago) link

you can repel them with stuff that's inherently political, like the frankfurt school

mark s, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:30 (one month ago) link

lol

Trϵϵship, Monday, 17 June 2019 22:35 (one month ago) link

it's funny cause it's true

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:37 (one month ago) link

i walk by a hundred mentally ill people on the way to work in the morning (while being a mentally ill person myself), many of whom are on drugs or in psychosis, none of them are going to attempt to massacre people for fascism. fuck this guy and ha ha at his death.

― findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Monday, June 17, 2019 3:11 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Monday, 17 June 2019 22:51 (one month ago) link

This guy played his own death for laughs! the least we can do is oblige him

Dan I., Tuesday, 18 June 2019 01:39 (four weeks ago) link

you would have to be insane to both concoct a reason and then put yourself in position to murder multiple strangers and almost certainly either be subsequently murdered or imprisoned for the rest of your life so i automatically consider any mass shooter to be mentally ill QED

This is question-begging of the worst sort.

Also any prospective mass shooter who doesn't take the time and prep to tape together up-down-up jungle clips is in fact a dipshit.

This guy attempted to kill a lot of people, my main empathetic response is relief that these people are still alive, and concern with how they're dealing with what must still be a very scary and traumatic situation. And concern with the very many people who live in fear of right-wing hate crimes, and how this story must be triggering to them. These are who my empathy immediately go to, and if schadenfreude and cynicism is how people deal with this, then that's pretty ok by me.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 13:46 (four weeks ago) link

after christchurch, we learned that there were message boards where people were mostly pro- the shooting.

this person seems to have been part of a similar online subculture (right wing meme whatever).

is the fbi watching these places? should they? if it wasn't a messageboard but a treehouse where people were encouraging each other to do these things, wouldn't it get raided immediately?

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:48 (four weeks ago) link

are you asking if the fbi should be monitoring message boards where people plan and/or celebrate terrorist acts is that a thing you are asking

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:49 (four weeks ago) link

i think they should i guess. and it should be treated the same way as like ISIS.com if it existed

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:50 (four weeks ago) link

and i also think at some point these need to be seen as terrorist attacks and not just as isolated madmen. the last few of these guys seemed to have similar beliefs.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:51 (four weeks ago) link

i wish youd make your mind up the guys are in the trucks, they're oitta the trucks, theyre back in the trucks, its a fair set-to waiting on ya

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:52 (four weeks ago) link

well, as soon as i make up my mind we'll have swift action because i'm king of america, let me be clear

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:54 (four weeks ago) link

seriously though, i feel that we are under attack and it's not being acknowledged. these aren't isolated incidents.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 18:54 (four weeks ago) link

the fbi already does monitor messageboards where people regularly discuss terrorist acts

this is completely against protocol, but i am agent m, fbi. the m stands for maloney. that's not a typo, my username here is heavily inspired by my real surname, but also the letter y. i am here to monitor this messageboard, and i can tell you that because i believe we've all built up a measure of trust here through the years

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:00 (four weeks ago) link

https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/

they're online sucking hard

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:01 (four weeks ago) link

holy shit its the feds

godfellaz (darraghmac), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:06 (four weeks ago) link

If that is real ogmor that is the stupidest possible way for the fbi to monitor that board

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:07 (four weeks ago) link

I mean there are good terrorists and bad terrorists, which are we talking about here

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 19:42 (four weeks ago) link

wtf is that drawing? it's unnerving af!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 20:43 (four weeks ago) link

Infuriating. Anyway, I think the media should call these shootings terrorist attacks. They’re not isolated, they are some kind of sick social phenomenon, and many times the shooter is driven by right wing ideology.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:02 (four weeks ago) link


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