Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

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Oilyrags, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link

This is awful.

Witness Queea Miller said the shootings took place in the parking lot.

"I was in my truck and the gunman was two cars over from me," she told CNN. She said she saw the gunman shoot in the direction of a Starbuck's coffee shop. "Then after he stopped, he re-loaded and started shooting again."

She said that, during the shootings, she and her 18-year-old daughter "lay our seats all the way back and I got to praying. You could hear the shots going off again."

Nathan, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:17 (sixteen years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

danbunny, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Jesus.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

gun debate pls.

S-, Monday, 30 April 2007 04:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Only four dead? Amateur.

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Numbers seem to be important, judging by the way everyone on TV was going on and on about how the last one was The Biggest ever (and CNN patting themselves on the back every 15 minutes that "300,000 - no, 600,000 - no, 900,000 people have seen our amateur cell phone video! yay us!")

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:41 (sixteen years ago) link

how many sprees were shot in this case? the article doesn't say.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link

regardless, dear god. please to help people see stupidy concerning ways so this can happen less.

Frogman Henry, Monday, 30 April 2007 10:58 (sixteen years ago) link

thats what you get for drinking at starbucks, obviously someone hired by a competitor

klankton, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I think school shootings have a more readily compelling narrative built into them that media types can package, since its innocent kids and teenagers that are targeted in that case.

kingfish, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:26 (sixteen years ago) link

boooooringgggggggggggg

Interestingly, this is not a big story on any of the news sites I'm seeing. "Only four? Pffft. I could shoot that many people in my sleep."

kenan, Monday, 30 April 2007 15:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Just saw this on Belgian TV news. "Ironically, this happened in a mall called Target"

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 22:59 (sixteen years ago) link

tuomasphonebooth.jpg

strgn, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link

is that where a 13-year-old can buy a rifle without a background check?

Curt1s Stephens, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

what, in a Finnish phone boot?

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

h

StanM, Monday, 30 April 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

six months pass...

Now the Finns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7082795.stm

:/

Alba, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 12:54 (sixteen years ago) link

global epidemic spreads unchecked using news media as vector

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link

High school shooting in Finland.

Zeno, Wednesday, 7 November 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7246003.stm

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

i mean come on this shit is old now

DG, Thursday, 14 February 2008 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

ffs not again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7936817.stm

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:11 (fifteen years ago) link

*placeholder for insensitive comment*

FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't get the story to load. Probably for the better. (Sigh)

╓abies, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:15 (fifteen years ago) link

this one too, alabama

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/

football consultant, oakland raiders (daria-g), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:17 (fifteen years ago) link

In summary: At least ten people are believed to have been killed in a shooting spree at a German school. Shooter believed to be a former pupil (oh wait that bit has now been removed). Shooter thought to be in custody.

xpost

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link

10 dead at both shootings on the same day wtf.

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 11:19 (fifteen years ago) link

15 dead in germany now.
wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link

http://www.moonconnection.com/moon_gadget.phtml#rt2ig1_1236782715

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:47 (fifteen years ago) link

wait a minute, meant to indicate it's a full moon atm.

Jarlrmai, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 14:53 (fifteen years ago) link

wasnt someone shot at a church in the USA over the weekend too?

― Pfunkboy in blood drenched rabbit suit jamming in the woods (Herman G. Neuname)

yep

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090309/ap_on_re_us/church_shooting

Burt_ in the disco! Hongro blessed DJ! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:51 (fifteen years ago) link

Also, the economy. Not meant to be flip, btw, but isn't there usually an upswing in this type of crap when the economy tanks? I seem to remember a bunch of workplace shooting lined up with the 90s recession.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

i don't think 17-year old Rammstein fans are motivated by the mortgage bubble bursting, jon

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:56 (fifteen years ago) link

17-year old Rammstein fans

classy

bacon = bad for the face + magic for the moobs (Mackro Mackro), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

It was a general comment, hadn't really delved in the details of any of the stories. I was just wondering about how trends like this tie in with the global economy turning to shit.

legendary North American forest ape (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 15:59 (fifteen years ago) link

There was that one dude who killed his wife and kids and self because he couldn't afford to take care of them all with two jobs and it was mega-sad.

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:01 (fifteen years ago) link

The idea that a man's worth is in his productivity/success and that if HE can't be "successful" then everyone who was his responsibility must cease to exist, is just..........beyond. I can hardly form sentences when I think about this.

How can there be male ladybugs? (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 March 2009 16:08 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/nursing_home_shooting

A NURSING HOME. What do you have to do to be even worse than your average spree shooter? Murder a bunch of helpless fogeys, apparently.

Zero Transfats Waller (Oilyrags), Sunday, 29 March 2009 22:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm sure this has been said before, but It's kind of disheartening how these mass murders have become an accepted fact of life. This was the 4th story on NPR's hourly news report today. Yeah, there is a lot of stuff going on in the world and maybe this is the forth most important story of the day, but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

Super Cub, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:36 (fifteen years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Perhaps, but then again I believe these things have always happened all the time, everywhere, they're just far more publicized now due to 24-hour-news cycles. It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Nhex, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link

but holy shit we've become accustomed to this kind of violence. It barely registers anymore.

― Super Cub, Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:36 PM

ya some people even think its great (see thread title)

eman, Monday, 30 March 2009 02:47 (fifteen years ago) link

It's still a sad thing, but people "randomly going nuts" and doing these horrible things is inevitable in every society.

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is
virtually non-existent. Usually these sort of societies have had a very strong social cohesion and a strict set of shared moralities though, with little room for nonconformism. I would assume there's a lot of variation between different countries of the world in the frequency of murder sprees though. It's inevitable in any society that people will go nuts, but the choices of what you do when you go nuts seem to be at least partially influenced by your surrounding culture. And in most Western societies a shooting spree seems to have become one of the "viable" alternatives for action, sadly. In the first school shooting spree in Finland, for example, it was later found out that the killer had some strong fascist/social Darwinist ideas and that he idolized the Columbine shooters.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 06:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Actually, I think there have been societies where murder is virtually non-existent

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

iatee, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:13 (fifteen years ago) link


(sorry)

abanana, Monday, 30 March 2009 07:18 (fifteen years ago) link

wanna come up with some examples, cause I don't buy this at all / have never heard of such societies outside of the lyrics to 'cortez the killer'. "strong social cohesion" isn't gonna overpower certain mental/psychological disorders that some people are simply born with.

I remember reading in some sociology textbook that certain Buddhist communities in Asia have had virtually no violent crime at all, but I can't find any information on that online right now. I probably shoudln't have used the word "society", since what I was talking about was small, geographically limited communities. Anyway, I don't really think there are any psychological disorders that people are born with, certainly not ones that automatically lead to a murder spree. Or can you name any?

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2009 08:13 (fifteen years ago) link

There was also a story today about some 17 year old guy who has stabbed one sister and then cut the other (5 years old!) one's head off, in front of a 3rd sister... he was still hacking at the 5 year olds head when the cops got there.

Just... what.

― one art, please (Trayce), Monday, 30 March 2009 03:46 (8 hours ago) Bookmark

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090330/twl-man-murders-his-sisters-at-birthday-3fd0ae9.html

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link

The policeman broke into the house and witnessed Revelus decapitating five-year-old Bianca, whose birthday cake was on the kitchen table.

Zayatte Mondatta (country matters), Monday, 30 March 2009 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks for highlighting that.

Say what you like Professor Words (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 30 March 2009 12:11 (fifteen years ago) link

the city of brotherly love

Seven bystanders were injured on Wednesday in a shooting involving a Philadelphia city bus, authorities said, the fourth gunfire incident on the transit system in as many days.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/shooting-philadelphia-bus-seven-people-injured

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 7 March 2024 01:22 (one month ago) link

Philadelphia is the poorest city of its size in the United States. Northeast and Rhawnhurst areas near where that incident took place are notoriously rough, with shitty transit options and few social services and community hubs.

I mention this not to excuse this sort of violence, which is reprehensible, but to say that I think it arrives from different social conditions than a lot of spree shootings that have been discussed in this thread.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:23 (one month ago) link

That’s also the 4th shooting on a Philadelphia bus this week.

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 March 2024 02:53 (one month ago) link

Yeah, and none of them can be separated from the social conditions within Philadelphia. I’ve helped bury kids shot in gang beefs, trust me I know what the stakes are and what’s going on in the city where I live.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 March 2024 03:20 (one month ago) link

A guy in Toronto fired at pro-Palestine protesters the other day. With a nail gun. Nobody injured. So glad we don’t have our equivalent of the 2nd Amendment. Yet.

It was on a accident (hardcore dilettante), Thursday, 7 March 2024 04:27 (one month ago) link

3 dead in Levittown, shooter on the run

https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/breaking-suspect-sought-multiple-killed-levittown-shooting/3805011/

StanM, Saturday, 16 March 2024 17:06 (one month ago) link

Every time this thread is revived I despair.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 16 March 2024 18:18 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Seven children, ages 12 to 17, wounded in Indianapolis mass shooting

“Once again, we have a situation in which young people are resolving conflict with firearms, and it has to stop,” said the deputy chief of the Indianapolis metropolitan police department, Tanya Terry.

no one died, so the NYT didn't bother mentioning it. tbf, there have been over 100 mass shootings so far this year; guess you can't cover them all

mookieproof, Monday, 1 April 2024 02:44 (three weeks ago) link

For once this thread is not being updated because a shooting just happened (though one probably did)

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/09/michigan-school-shooters-parents-sentenced-to-10-years-00151367

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 22:10 (two weeks ago) link

still find it troubling that a 15 year old who was clearly displaying serious mental health issues would get life without parole

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 22:14 (two weeks ago) link

otm.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 22:15 (two weeks ago) link

The article doesn’t include the most chilling evidence: the text they sent to the kid when they heard news reports of the shooting, saying basically “this isn’t you is it?”. That pushes it over from just “tragic mistakes

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 02:08 (one week ago) link

Mean to finish: pushes it over the line from “tragic mistakes by parents trying to do their best” to “yeah these are shitty people indirectly responsible for slaughter.”

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 02:10 (one week ago) link

Apologies if this has come up before, but I was just wondering today - any of y'all know your mass shooter number? It's like a Kevin Bacon number, except instead of measuring how many degrees you're separated from Kevin Bacon, it's how many degrees you're separated from a mass shooter. I figure with all the mass shooters out there, it's harder not for it enter into our lives in a personal way.

I just found out my mass shooter number is 2. I already knew it was three at least two different ways, both through my QPP. Her dad knew Brenda Spencer, you know, the "I Don't Like Mondays" shooter (I fucking hate that song BTW). And my QPP had a couple of cousins who were there when that guy who shot up that San Diego high school in '01. My QPP went to the other San Diego high school.

Anyway this lady I know, I just found out that she was rooming with a neo-Nazi who did a mass shooting in '22. I'm not... surprised? Not because she's a neo-Nazi - very much the opposite. More like, you know, this is how the world is these days. Is my experience, like, normal? I don't know what "normal" is these days. My life didn't used to be like this. I run into so much incredibly fucked up shit, on a daily basis.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:52 (one week ago) link

Not sure what number this would be, but the guy who shot Gabby Giffords was from the neighborhood I grew up in. He lived on the same street my best friend lived on, but years after I moved away.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:55 (one week ago) link

my brother's former friend is a wannabe alex jones who was "embedded" w/r1ttenhouse and his crew of larpers in Kenosha.

i met someone who caught a bullet in the Las Vegas music festival massacre, which isn't the same thing.

as noted before i drove by the Seal Beach massacre scene just after it occurred, as the police were first showing up and blocking the road, before the guy got caught.

omar little, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:02 (one week ago) link

closest for me would be that I'm kinda still friends with Brendan Dassey's half brother

that does remind me of a bizarre piece of trivia though - theres a widely used sports reaction gif involving a Jaguars fan, if you just Google "Jaguars fan reaction gif" you'll find it. apparently that guy was classmates with the Columbine shooters. there's a class photo and you can spot all 3 of them if you look close enough. small world I guess.

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:05 (one week ago) link

i fucking love meme trivia

here's one i learned today: the lady from the Math Lady meme came out as bisexual last year at age 76

"now we know what she was trying to figure out" - vaspider

probably a better thread for this but idk what it is

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 15 April 2024 19:41 (one week ago) link

that's not Julia Roberts??

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:43 (one week ago) link

I know a woman who lives on the same block that Sirhan Sirhan grew up on (she moved there long after he was jailed). His brother continued to live there after the shooting, and may still be there.

nickn, Monday, 15 April 2024 21:15 (one week ago) link

(xpost) it doesn't even look like julia roberts unless you are thinking of something else

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 15 April 2024 21:15 (one week ago) link

yes I think sirhan's brother still lives in the same place. I read or heard an extensive piece on him several years ago. he is very well liked in his neighborhood from what I recall

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 15 April 2024 21:16 (one week ago) link

Math Lady looks like a TV actress I can never place

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 15 April 2024 21:31 (one week ago) link

Either 2 or 3 from one or both of the Columbine shooters..

beard papa, Monday, 15 April 2024 22:03 (one week ago) link

I don't think I have any real connection to any mass murderers or shooters. The only one I can think of is the student I had who went to Parkland, but was having their wisdom teeth removed on the day of the shooting. Good timing, I guess.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 15 April 2024 22:15 (one week ago) link

Math Lady looks like a TV actress I can never place

― papal hotwife (milo z)

she's definitely a tv actress. Renata Sorrah played Nazaré Tedesco, one of the best-known Brazilian telenovela villains, in 2004's "Senhora do Destino".

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 15 April 2024 23:23 (one week ago) link

Am I the only one who thinks doing six degrees to fucking mass murderers is a wee bit tasteless? :/

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 15 April 2024 23:45 (one week ago) link

Australian culture can't understand it.

Speaking of, two stabbing incidencts in as many days in sydney. First with 7 dead and second in a church.

H.P, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:15 (one week ago) link

Am I the only one who thinks doing six degrees to fucking mass murderers is a wee bit tasteless? :/

no, it is frankly bizarre.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:18 (one week ago) link

but perhaps a better way to discuss it is...these are terrible events that happen with increasing frequency, and are likely to closely impact more and more of us as time goes on. not the shooters in particular, but the victims and the events, certainly.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:19 (one week ago) link

Yeah I think that's probably what the original question was getting at, just from a different angle. how close any of us are to such a terrible event via someone who would do such a thing. But unfortunately it's far more likely we will be knowing those who were impacted by it rather than those responsible.

omar little, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:31 (one week ago) link

well yeah for sure it is tasteless but the whole phenomenon of mass shootings -- even just the fact that it continues to be a phenomenon -- is just so surreally incomprehensibly horrible, and it just keeps happening, but we just have to keep living with it? somehow? since the mass slaughter of children in classrooms, and crowds of people at concerts/movies/nightclubs/churches/grocery stores, isn't awful enough to cure the gun nut brain worms.

my fucking gun nut brother, when i had to see him on christmas a few days after sandy hook, was so goddamn mad about journalists shoving microphones at traumatized little schoolchildren. it was indecent, he said. he was ranting about that shit all night. i'm not into screaming matches so i didn't bring up all the children who had just been shot the fuck to death.

but like i said we have to live with this, and looking it full in its hideous face with all the seriousness it deserves all the time will just break your brain even worse. so sometimes you gotta be a little silly, it's fine.

"enthusiast" (cat), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:32 (one week ago) link

Am I the only one who thinks doing six degrees to fucking mass murderers is a wee bit tasteless? :/

― Stoop Crone (Trayce)

i wouldn't say it's a "wee bit tasteless". i'd say it's sick and grotesque. i don't think i've lost any of my moral sense. it's just overwhelmed by the everyday horror of the country i live in. mass shootings are routine. i'd say they're even _banal_.

is it more virtuous to trace one's lineage to a victim than to a perp? is it more respectable? when i say that i fucking hate "i don't like mondays", it's because it buys into the moral narrative those times pushed on serial killers. the idea that brenda spencer really, actually did what she did because she "didn't like mondays". if you look at what her life was like, how she was _raised_. you think brenda spencer's dad was one bit less culpable for her act than jennifer and james crumbley were?

this world, this world where we try to draw distinctions between good victims and bad perpetrators, when we act as if there's some _fundamental innate difference_, when in truth the latter are always, always, drawn from the legions of the former. there is no _sense_ or _reason_ or _compassion_ or _justice_ in any of this. yes, it is horrifying to ponder how much, or how little, separates us from a mass killer. i don't know. maybe i am, like they say, a "highly sensitive person". i look at how _routine_ this sort of horror is in my life, not in "the news" but in _my life_, and... i don't want to bring anybody on a bum trip, but i think it's important for me to be able to acknowledge and communicate those feelings. and it's hard to do that. sometimes. impossible, if i'm also imposing on myself the requirement that i have to be "tasteful".

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 03:50 (one week ago) link

i'd say it's sick and grotesque

at least you haven't lost any of your moral sense

mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:09 (one week ago) link

yeah I mean that's kind of the point, because mass shootings are a tragedy you can ignore if you choose to. god knows those with the power to actually do something about it do. but they've become so routine and commonplace that at some point a bunch of us are gonna be connected to one somehow, so at some point they will affect someone you know. I mean I still think about Uvalde and how much lifelong trauma those surviving kids are gonna have, along with the parents and teachers, to say nothing of those who lost someone. they'll never get over it. even if you're not any of those things just the knowledge of "it can happen here" has got to be in the back of everyone's mind there now.

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:11 (one week ago) link

i'm gonna go off. fuck it, i'm gonna go off. about being two degrees from a mass shooter. because at two degrees you see how it affects people, _what_ affects people.

this lady i know, the lady whose roommate was a mass shooter. what do you think her life is like? it's not great. a lot of the people i know, their lives aren't necessarily great. i don't know her well. she seems like a decent person, but some of the stuff she does, it weirds me out a little. it's not _bad_ or _evil_ or _wrong_. i don't think it's any judgement on her as a person. i just don't wanna get too involved with that stuff.

does her having had a neo-nazi mass shooter as a roommate _explain_ her life, _explain_ the unusual things she does sometimes? not really. it's more like... i mean this is just shit that happens, sometimes, and i guess i just have to radically accept it. marginalized is marginalized. i can see looking at that situation and asking "wait, why was a trans woman rooming with a neo-nazi anyway?" that part of me that understands respectability asks that question, and it makes me mad, because it's not a relevant fucking question. it _should_ be relevant. but it's not. because you do what you have to do to get by and you can't necessarily afford to have standards like "not having a neo-nazi as a roommate", even when you belong to a group that, uh, neo-nazis as a whole are not overly enamored with.

and then that neo-nazi does a mass shooting and, uh. tough shit for her, i guess. i mean nobody in a position of power is gonna do anything to, like, help or or support her. like if they'd ever done that in the first place, she wouldn't have been in a position where she had to have a fucking neo-nazi as a roommate, would she?

i mean fuck it. i don't know her that well. there's a good chance that having a neo-nazi roommate who did a mass shooting isn't the worst thing that's ever happened to her. any emotions i might have about that... there's not really anything i can do with those emotions but acknowlege they exist.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:21 (one week ago) link

as long as you can make it about you

mookieproof, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:24 (one week ago) link

homerbackingintothehedge.gif

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:36 (one week ago) link

Not helpful mookie

H.P, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 05:03 (one week ago) link

Not sure if it is helpful or intended as such, but damn if it isn't understandable.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:10 (one week ago) link

Now, now guys. Let's get back to thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:17 (one week ago) link

I love Kate, she’s one of the most valuable posters here, but I think this is not a very healthy thought exercise. Let’s see more cat pics!

President of the Canadian Council of Bassoonists (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:31 (one week ago) link

The true solution to all the world's problems
https://i.postimg.cc/Pq28Lw8W/IMG-20240409-103739.jpg

H.P, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:49 (one week ago) link

Happy to inform everyone here, you're only one degree of separation away from my cats

H.P, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:55 (one week ago) link

There have been three deadly shootings this year so far on my street. I feel that all I can do is avoid complacency and prepare for the possibility of being shot, because if it happened without my anticipating it I'd feel even more foolish. This reminds me I'm even worried about Tuffy the cat sitting at the window.

Halfway there but for you, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 15:13 (one week ago) link

Not helpful mookie

― H.P

it's not and it is? like it's not constructive criticism at all, it's snark, it's being unwilling or unable to engage seriously with what i'm saying, but it's meaningful and valuable for all that

absolutely fundamentally my posts here are about me, i just found out yesterday that a (not close) friend was rooming with a neo-nazi who did a mass shooting while they were roommates. that's kinda fucked up and i think i got a right to talk about that experience in a thread about spree shootings. learning that information hit me really hard emotionally. i had nightmares all last night about it.

because the thing is i have so much close contact with so much fucked up shit and i barely talk about any of it. i don't think i'm... i don't think my problems are extraordinary, really, but a lot of people around me, the stuff they have to deal with _does_ seem extraordinary. and if i try to talk about any of this shit, this shit that's kind of a regular part of my everyday life, sometimes someone will come up and say that i'm making everything all about me.

see it's valuable in context, in context as part of the thread. a lot of folks here do, i think, get where i'm coming from, get what i'm talking about, and are able to, like, at least engage to some extent with those experiences. the frustrating thing is sometimes trying to talk to people who don't see the same fucked up shit on a regular basis, sometimes our perspectives seem mutually incomprehensible to the extent that i have a hard time understanding what they're even talking about. that scares me. all this shooting, all this violence, the ways it affects those of us in its proximity, and as much of it as there is, a lot of times it doesn't seem possible to talk about it because i'm not doing it in the _right way_ or whatever. i don't want to be dogpiled, but if it's one person, if it's one person who's gonna speak up and be sarcastic and shitty about it and not engage in good faith, in a weird way i think that is helpful, because that is a perspective a lot of people do have, still. it helps me personally to be reminded of that.

i guess it's not a healthy thought exercise for everyone but it has been for me. anyway i'm pretty much done talking about it, it was something i needed to talk about it and i did and i wanna thank all of you who were able to hold space for that. sorry i don't have cat pics. :(

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:00 (one week ago) link

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President of the Canadian Council of Bassoonists (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:30 (one week ago) link

I probably shouldn't weigh in, but for what it's worth, Kate, I went back and read your first post about this and it's not clear to me that you were responding to something so emotional. I think in particular the first paragraph comes across as flippant rather than a response to pain. To be clear, I fully believe that you were strongly affected -- it makes sense that you would be -- and it makes sense, in retrospect, that the seeming flippancy might in actuality be a screen for deeper and darker feelings. But I don't think it's entirely fair to "go off" on mookieproof for responding negatively to the "mass shooter number" framing.

rob, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:08 (one week ago) link

fwiw i got no hard feelings and lots of gratitude towards/for everyone here. really appreciate having had this space to say some stuff i needed to say. if anyone has any negative feelings or judgements towards me as a result of my posts here, fair enough. :)

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:59 (one week ago) link

fwiw i don't dislike kate (and very much enjoy her music posts, particularly those about how pink floyd does or does not rule; would totally read a book)

and i can understand that transitioning would become one's most important topic

but her personal posts have become increasingly solipsistic -- which is fine in certain circumstances -- but i think rather less so in a thread discussing mass shootings. that's all

mookieproof, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 03:02 (six days ago) link


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