ILX’s Top 77 Television and Streaming Video Series of 2020

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^otm

imago, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link

Maybe it's because I watched Sex Education first, but I feel like Never Have I Ever only got good once it moved away from truly belonging on that list

rob, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link

couldn't tell ya why i didn't vote for sex ed season 2. probably because otis was totally insufferable the whole year (i know, for plot/character reasons, but still)

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:05 (three years ago) link

With the bloom of novelty off the Baby Yoda rose, The Mandalorian dug deeper into its fan service bag this year, providing jumping-off spots for a few new shows, an uncanny valley Luke Skywalker cameo, a revolving roster of guest stars, expensive looking CGI, some impressive set pieces and all the other obvious trimmings that this chambara inspired space-oater could carry. Mostly it held together... though two seasons in a row of the guy who never takes off his mask taking off his mask in the final episode is getting a little silly.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:12 (three years ago) link

Normal People
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo)

they're in their twenties!

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:13 (three years ago) link

haven't seen normal people, but doesn't it start when they're in high school?

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:15 (three years ago) link

The book does, at least.

jaymc, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link

the show does too

na (NA), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:18 (three years ago) link

lotta voters into teen sex and comic books, i for one am shocked

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:19 (three years ago) link

i may stand corrected here; the actors were in their twenties at least.
sure, throw it in the cuddle puddle if you wanna.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link

Here’s me (slightly edited) from early January in the Netflix thread: My gf binged Queen's Gambit and I joined her cold for the last episode. I couldn't help thinking that part of the reason that this show caught the zeitgeist so squarely is that it represents an impossible and impossibly of-our-time fantasy: a flawed woman makes her way to the apex of her industry based on talent, merit, a strong support system and immense hard work and, on meeting the glass ceiling, is confronted by a group of gatekeeper men who treat her dismissively at first but then ultimately deferentially acknowledge everything she's done to get there and more or less apologize for not taking her seriously. I'm not sure I've ever seen a television story climax that way.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:28 (three years ago) link

lol Quillette - really?

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:31 (three years ago) link

frankly, i was unfamiliar with them. I thought that article made some interesting (if occasionally unwittingly so) points about how the masculine lineage of the hustler differs from this modern manifestation.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link

throw it in the cuddle puddle

gross

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:41 (three years ago) link

Thought at first that Queen's Gambit was just kinda boilerplate time-killing prestige tv with v good performances but not a lot of heft. It gradually won me over, though, partly on the level that forks delineates. It may be fantasy to an extent but it's engaging to watch high-level competitors ultimately demonstrating kindness and respect towards those they've been trying to savagely destroy.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link

Speaking of which, this recent NYT piece calls it ”the new nice television”: anti-cynical, reasonably low-stakes dramedy that presents good people being rewarded for their good efforts. That’s a little reductive when applied to Ted Lasso imo. It’s a program that absolutely looks insipid on first glance but, once you’ve knocked out the first episode, you’ll likely see its undercurrent of sadness and loss. For all the cookie-baking and “ding-dong-darn” homilies, Lasso is at heart about the bravery and strength required to meet real hardship and overcome it without irony or disassociation. That requires broad shoulders and a gentle touch, both of which Sudeikis has in spades.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link

I just watched Ted Lasso and holy shit, what a show

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link

It's basically "what if Parks and Recreation was a prestige drama"

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link

Was going to say, contrary to the line of thought that suggested the Trump years would lead to a resurgence in gritty, no holds barred horror, the exact opposite thing seems to have happened, at least on TV.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link

Ted Lasso seems to have picked up the baton directly from Schitt's Creek only you didn't have to wade through like 3 seasons before it actually got really good.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:55 (three years ago) link

ted lasso was.....fine

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

Surely when historians look back on this year, it will be remembered as the one in which Rick and Morty fever hit the dubious peak of "Rick and Morty but it's Star Trek."

This is entirely unfair to Lower Decks! I've said this before, but it's easily the Trekkiest of the new batch of Trek series.

I'm three episodes into Mandolorian, when does it get good?

Mike Mignola Electric Co. (Leee), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 17:59 (three years ago) link

As a Brit I was sceptical of Ted Lasso. I was convinced they'd mess up the nuances about British football culture, but they nailed it and gosh darn it, had one of the most interesting and nuanced characters in comedy in ages.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:00 (three years ago) link

I think my thing re: 'nice' entertainment is that there was such a long stretch when the majority of our entertainment options were brainlessly 'nice', which was then followed by the slow encroachment of more cynical fare which served as a refreshing antidote, but we're now at a point where lots of things in the real world have just been shitty for a long time and so much of the entertainment landscape is similarly feel-bad (and, I think inarguably, has itself been instrumental in making aspects of the real world shittier). So, despite my perpetual gen-x-ian tendency to sneer at false sentiment and bland niceness, I'm increasingly drawn to depictions of like basic kindness and decency as an antidote to the oversaturation of casual cruelty and grim n' grit even in light entertainment.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:03 (three years ago) link

Also, we're all getting older.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link

Also that.

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:05 (three years ago) link

Like (just to meander down this path a bit more) my gf watches all of the bleak crime dramas that come down the pike and some of the shit I see in those things...my god. I'm a huge horror fan and I'll occasionally be walking through the room and will feel compelled to mention that some scene or another was as needlessly, ott graphic as anything I've seen in a horror flick. And this is just run-of-the-mill mainstream entertainment these days. So yes, the shows that are making an effort to move in the completely opposite direction are very welcome imo.

Which is to say: will check out this Ted Lasso chap!

The Mandolinrainian (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:11 (three years ago) link

My favourite thing about The Queen's Gambit was the strong implication at the series' end that she was about to defect to the Soviets.

chap, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link

James Poniewozik said something similar about Ted Lasso:

All it took to get me to appreciate “Ted Lasso” was an assault on American democracy.

Plenty of fans and fellow critics had recommended the comedy, based on an NBC Sports promo sketch, about a good-hearted, optimistic Kansas football coach (Jason Sudeikis) who moves to London to manage a soccer team. When its first season arrived on Apple TV+ last summer, I found its early episodes chuckle-worthy, but nothing compelling. It was … sweet, I guess? Nice? Eh. I moved on.

Cut to January. A mob attacked the U.S. Capitol, the MyPillow guy was walking into the White House with notes about martial law, and the once-rote transfer of power became a white-knuckle ride. On Jan. 20, I spent a day writing about the uneasy TV coverage of the inauguration, then a night reviewing the prime-time inauguration special, its notes of hope cut with minor-key reminders of strife and pandemic.

Too wound up to sleep, I needed an antidote for all those days of cable-news doom-watching. I decided to give “Ted Lasso” another shot.

It was … sweet. It was nice. And God, did I need that.

jaymc, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link

the trailer for ted lasso is so bad that i'm never gonna watch the show. unless i missed that the journalist at the presser was meant to be american( i thought he had an english accent) he would never say 'tie'.

oscar bravo, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:19 (three years ago) link

lol i said all i had to say about Ted Lasso above

i mean maybe nicecore isn't just what i look for in TV considering the shows i've watched the most during the pandemic are Seinfeld and Gossip Girl, which are the opposite end of these yay human decency shows

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link

Both have their place, but I can definitely see how the real world has veered so perilously far into boo human cruelty territory that I begrudge no one for overpraising stuff like this.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

I don't require TV to be Jean Renoir.

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

I found Ted Lasso legit inspiring in how it dealt with people's reactions to terrible shit in their lives/relationships

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link

The journalist at the presser is the excellent James Lance who turns out to be the football equivalent of Ratatouille's Anton Ego.

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:23 (three years ago) link

I saw better television this year but nothing ever got me as viscerally excited as a new episode of The Last Dance. Yes, MJ’s involvement somewhat skews the series’ ability to dig too deeply and sure, if you don’t care about basketball (or even just this era of basketball), there may not be much for you here. But I am a basketball fan who grew up in the eighties and nineties in the south before the Grizzlies moved to Memphis so I watched basketball on WGN, the only cable channel we got that regularly carried games. Even now the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I hear Alan Parsons Project's “Sirius” and Ray Clay’s frenzied growl of “ANNNNNNND NOW! FROM NORTH... CARRRRRROLINA...” so, in many ways, this show was the acme of my 2020.

That's not really my scene (I'm 41) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:26 (three years ago) link

#GiveBritneyTenHours

avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:27 (three years ago) link

last dance was good tv and a better sports/media moment. nothing revelatory, and i'll likely never watch it again, but it was an easy vote.

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:33 (three years ago) link

while we (or at least I still am) are talking about "nice" TV shows, what i keep coming back to is that How To with John Wilson, a show that i think belongs to the aforementioned category, and how i loved it so much, i keep on trying to articulate why i loved it so much despite my growing annoyance at these type of TV shows and i'm honestly at a loss - is it because it's non-fiction? idk

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link

the best moments for me were probably the highlight sequences that paired jordan highlights with era-appropriate hip-hop. it's a standard thing to do now, but hip-hop and the nba were far less intertwined during jordan's era. jordan himself was dismissive of hip-hop, and preferred adult-contempo r&b (one of my favorite, one of the most-memed, moments of the series comes when he's bopping along to the new kenny lattimore album)

the nyt had a good piece about jordan and the nba's evolving relationship with hip-hop: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/03/arts/music/michael-jordan-last-dance-soundtrack.html

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link

looks like we have a deserving top 4, all of which i voted for in my top 5 lol

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:38 (three years ago) link

I only have one bat left in this fight but it'd best make the top 3

imago, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link

bat-er call saul

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link

i bat destroy you

tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:41 (three years ago) link

I've only got one left, and it's the obvious one. No idea what the others will be.

mike t-diva, Tuesday, 16 February 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link


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