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I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

95% of British whimsy is utterly lost on me and I don't feel like I'm missing out at all.

controp #2: I hate RATM because i love the German power/speed metal band Rage and any time I try to search for their shit I have to huge a lot of modifiers or boolean logic

I know what I like in Neanderthal's posts

I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

Pulp, Morrissey, the Jam, Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd...there are many, many examples I could choose.

You have searched for Rage - did you mean Rage Against the Machine?

You have searched for Rage "-against" "-machine" - here is Queensryche's "Rage for Order"

You have searched for "rage perfect man" - but no perfect man has rage, so what are you even searching for

You have searched for "rage missing link" - I know you hated Java Man, Neanderthal, but you need to make peace with your feelings for him

You have searched for "rage german" - that is an offensive stereotype, Neanderthal, and I won't complete this search for you

lol YMP

I don't hate 'em, but I don't get the Kinks for this very reason. I had no idea what a village green was before I set foot in the UK.

xps

xp I love Bruce but am always secretly a little surprised when anyone else does, because my love for him is so personal and has relatively little to do with the actual music. There's a clumsiness or a try-hard quality about his work that I personally find endearing and compelling but could just as easily find off-putting. He doesn't seem to have a natural genius for anything in particular, and so everything - his singing, his guitar playing, his lyric-writing, his storytelling, even his looks - seems like something he built for himself out of found materials that are just a little heavier than what he needs. I think that's cool but could see someone just going, "ugh why is there so much of everything???"

My reasons for coming to love Bruce were suuuper literal and predictable and had to do with moving to a small town, buying a car, making friends with people with names like Bobby and Johnny and watching their lives slowly disintegrate and their dreams die, and then leaving said small town and getting hit by a wave of loneliness, culture shock and survivor guilt. It's hard to imagine how I would react to his music if I didn't have that sense of direct personal identification as a starting point.

in be-4 700th "kink-shaming" joek

these are really basic “controversial” opinions, are you all college freshmen?

On a broader note, the list of abstract descriptors that strongly suggest I will not enjoy a given record begins with 'humorous', 'cartoony' and 'quirky'.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:27 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Oh god, yes! Thousand times this.

Lol at Neanderthal's desperate attempts to change course here haha

I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

I'd like to point you in the direction of this thread:

a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis

good post lily dale

these are really basic “controversial” opinions, are you all college freshmen?

lol, I'd actually love to see you apply a /10 rating to each of the controps posted itt over the past 24h.

he tried to go Phil Spector and wound up Jim Steinman instead

i love springsteen but holy shit this is an amazing way to describe him

are you all college freshmen?

17th time's the charm

Lily otm. Can't really be mad cuz if Darkness doesn't mean everything to you in early adulthood, it's probably never going to click and that's whatever

haha was gonna say maybe what repulses you guys is "america" as a concept

― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:03 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this could practically be its own ilx board

I was a latecomer to Br00ce, mostly because one of my best friends is an outright obsessive. Bruce for him is like Slayer for me except he's seen him probably over 100 times and kept trying to get me to go see him with him, but the only music I knew of his was the 80s hits. and trying to tell me I should do something over and over again is a good way to get me not to do it because of childhood stubbornness.

I think it was 2010 or 2011 when I bought Nebraska because the concept seemed cool to me, then I went back to the beginning of his career and realized I liked the dense arrangements and his raw vocals and the Clemons saxophone. I'm not a huge 'heartland rock' dude but Bruce is the type I dig.

eventually did see him live with the friend - can't believe he still plays 3 hour shows. I was exhausted by the end.

i'll finish this thought later when my mother stops screaming at an automated voice system and I can collect my thoughts

xpost we definitely need an I Hate America board. who wants to request on MRF

Even though I'm from NJ, the NJ Springsteen is from (and about) is unrecognizable to me. Where I grew up, it was rich kids listening to the Grateful Dead and poor kids listening to rap, metal and punk, and where I've lived for the last ~30 years everybody listens to rap and various flavors of Latin music (norteño, bachata, reggaeton, etc.). What Lily said about his music requiring identification is dead on IMO. As is this:

There's a clumsiness or a try-hard quality about his work that I personally find endearing and compelling but could just as easily find off-putting. He doesn't seem to have a natural genius for anything in particular, and so everything - his singing, his guitar playing, his lyric-writing, his storytelling, even his looks - seems like something he built for himself out of found materials that are just a little heavier than what he needs. I think that's cool but could see someone just going, "ugh why is there so much of everything???"

this could practically be its own ilx board

Tom would be its moderator-in-chief. I could help out as needed.

Tom would be its moderator-in-chief. I could help out as needed.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:42 PM (fifty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Would not hesitate to join this coalition of the willing

i personally hate america too and would love to join

Americans also welcome!

he tried to go Phil Spector and wound up Jim Steinman instead

Tbf, a chunk of the E Street Band plays on that Meatloaf album.

So Britishers, is listening to very American music like Bruce Springsteen or Johnny Cash or whatever considered as much of a cultish affectation there as someone listening to, say, Pulp or Blur or Oasis (or even the Kinks) might be here?

Do not put Johnny Cash in the same category as Springsteen!

YEAH, he's (better/worse/sexier/better at guitar/dead/an adulterer)

Springsteen isn't interesting enough to have a cult following. In the UK he's just some rock star that some people like, he's more Bon Jovi than Johnny Cash in the UK.

I promised I wouldn't get angry but

Oasis is surely more mainstream in North America than those others? "Wonderwall" is such a campfire cliche it's a meme.

Do not put Johnny Cash in the same category as Springsteen!

Agreed; Springsteen needs to record about 100 more novelty songs like "One Piece at a Time" and "The One on the Right is on the Left" to approach Cash territory.

I'm from the West of Scotland, everybody loves Johnny Cash there, so I'm not the best judge.

Ice Cube and Carly Simon and John Philip Sousa and Glenn Miller and Lyle Lovett are as American as Springsteen

Just as Gary Glitter and Edward Elgar and Posh Spice are equally British

Anyway the thread for hating America is

American things

I doubt that there's an American equivalent to anglophilia or francophilia or whatever ppl who are really into manga and shit are, for the reasons YMP said above re hegemony. US pop culture is too dominant to build a cult around, even with artists that I hear more in the US than anywhere else, like idk Styx or 38 Special or Lynyrd Skynyrd.

I love America btw.

Not enough to still live there, admittedly.

Yeah, I was just wondering if here was a weirdo UK contingent that listens to ZZ Top and Skynyrd and stuff.

lily's post is a revelation imo, it's like the thesis for the best book about bruce springsteen that hasn't been written yet.

I'd def read that book, yes.

Always kind of amazed me that Elvis never toured outside North America (except for the Hawaiian concerts).

(xxxp) Skynyrd maybe, ZZ Top had hit singles, they're famous. Springsteen is far too famous to be a cult artist.

i've limited my bruce exposure to nebraska because i found the world of it useful at a weird time in my life. haven't explored much beyond that.

You guys know about this, I assume: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinded_by_the_Light_(2019_film)

i enjoyed that movie

Always kind of amazed me that Elvis never toured outside North America (except for the Hawaiian concerts).

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:04 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think colonel tom parker wasn't a naturalized U.S. citizen and wouldn't have been able to get back, so he engineered elvis's career around that

it's pretty fucking incredible mismanagement, and that as huge as he was, he probably could have been 2X or 3X more popular if he would have toured

also I wish there was a UK subculture built around loving .38 Special and only .38 Special

I've a good friend who's big into Southern Rock; I note that the last time Skynrd played the UK they played the Wembley Arena, which has a capacity of 12,500, so there are plenty of weirdos who like them (don't think they are or were as legit big in the UK as BS or ZZTop though).

I think there are a lot of deep veins of americophilia in the UK, but I'm not sure whether people would think of the charm as "american" rather than "country" / "deep soul" / ""southern rock" / "NYC hip hop" / whatever.