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Ha, Pom, I get that!

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some stoner bands play that slow because they're so high and bad at guitar that it actually takes them that long to change chords

it's like y'all don't have darknesses on the edges of your towns

i love Bruce and am visibly angry rn

I wanted Ghost of Tom Joad to play during that episode of the Expanse where Marco Inaros asploded many asteroids on Earth

I kind of like The War on Drugs tho.

xp RATM cover >>> Boss original

haha was gonna say maybe what repulses you guys is "america" as a concept

― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 10:03 AM (four minutes ago)

I 100% associate BS with growing up feeling alienated in a small, small-minded american town where the foreignness of my parents was often remarked upon (I mean they were only Welsh and English ffs, but that was wildly exotic there). I can hear it with different ears now but that association is pretty bone deep

Springsteen wasn't """America""" until 1984. In his earliest days he was sort of weird and at least conceptually interesting, the center of a Bob Seger/Tom Waits/Al Stewart triangle. But then he tried to go Phil Spector and wound up Jim Steinman instead, and it's been one bad artistic decision after another ever since, the whole """America""" thing being just one of them, but the one that stuck hardest.

some stoner bands play that slow because they're so high and bad at guitar that it actually takes them that long to change chords

I once asked Dave Mustaine how he could play so fast on heroin, and he said it was mostly muscle memory.

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N.B. re Springsteen: I do not like any of his music, not even the at least conceptually interesting 1970s stuff.

I actually like his lyrics and voice; just don't always find the music engaging enough to keep me coming back to complete albums. "Born to Run" is amazing.

'State Trooper' is memorable.

unperson, that doesn't quite track for me. he's had steinman-esque tendencies from the beginning, cf. "growin up," "jungleland," "rosalia"

and i'd say the "america" connection started to really form up with nebraska (named after an american state, after all), before he made it obvious with that famous born in the usa album cover

I think its fair to say that for many non-believers, the E-Street band does Bruce no favours

I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

Or frenches frenchily or whatever

I know it's not the same - hegemony and power structures etc. - but just thinkin baout it

Lots of North Americans hate e.g. Morrissey for that reason. I've heard it said about early Genesis as well.

translation: ppl who hate early Genesis will know what pain feels like when I'm done with them.

Neanderthal's original post: Ugg okk grog mak OOBAH!!!!

On a broader note, the list of abstract descriptors that strongly suggest I will not enjoy a given record begins with 'humorous', 'cartoony' and 'quirky'.

I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

95% of British whimsy is utterly lost on me and I don't feel like I'm missing out at all.

controp #2: I hate RATM because i love the German power/speed metal band Rage and any time I try to search for their shit I have to huge a lot of modifiers or boolean logic

I know what I like in Neanderthal's posts

I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

Pulp, Morrissey, the Jam, Syd Barrett-era Pink Floyd...there are many, many examples I could choose.

You have searched for Rage - did you mean Rage Against the Machine?

You have searched for Rage "-against" "-machine" - here is Queensryche's "Rage for Order"

You have searched for "rage perfect man" - but no perfect man has rage, so what are you even searching for

You have searched for "rage missing link" - I know you hated Java Man, Neanderthal, but you need to make peace with your feelings for him

You have searched for "rage german" - that is an offensive stereotype, Neanderthal, and I won't complete this search for you

lol YMP

I don't hate 'em, but I don't get the Kinks for this very reason. I had no idea what a village green was before I set foot in the UK.

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xp I love Bruce but am always secretly a little surprised when anyone else does, because my love for him is so personal and has relatively little to do with the actual music. There's a clumsiness or a try-hard quality about his work that I personally find endearing and compelling but could just as easily find off-putting. He doesn't seem to have a natural genius for anything in particular, and so everything - his singing, his guitar playing, his lyric-writing, his storytelling, even his looks - seems like something he built for himself out of found materials that are just a little heavier than what he needs. I think that's cool but could see someone just going, "ugh why is there so much of everything???"

My reasons for coming to love Bruce were suuuper literal and predictable and had to do with moving to a small town, buying a car, making friends with people with names like Bobby and Johnny and watching their lives slowly disintegrate and their dreams die, and then leaving said small town and getting hit by a wave of loneliness, culture shock and survivor guilt. It's hard to imagine how I would react to his music if I didn't have that sense of direct personal identification as a starting point.

in be-4 700th "kink-shaming" joek

these are really basic “controversial” opinions, are you all college freshmen?

On a broader note, the list of abstract descriptors that strongly suggest I will not enjoy a given record begins with 'humorous', 'cartoony' and 'quirky'.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:27 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Oh god, yes! Thousand times this.

Lol at Neanderthal's desperate attempts to change course here haha

I'm trying to imagine being repulsed by someone who (for example) britishes so britishly that I just can't stand it

I'd like to point you in the direction of this thread:

a mix between The Stone Roses and Primal Scream with the swagger of Oasis

good post lily dale

these are really basic “controversial” opinions, are you all college freshmen?

lol, I'd actually love to see you apply a /10 rating to each of the controps posted itt over the past 24h.

he tried to go Phil Spector and wound up Jim Steinman instead

i love springsteen but holy shit this is an amazing way to describe him

are you all college freshmen?

17th time's the charm

Lily otm. Can't really be mad cuz if Darkness doesn't mean everything to you in early adulthood, it's probably never going to click and that's whatever

haha was gonna say maybe what repulses you guys is "america" as a concept

― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:03 AM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this could practically be its own ilx board

I was a latecomer to Br00ce, mostly because one of my best friends is an outright obsessive. Bruce for him is like Slayer for me except he's seen him probably over 100 times and kept trying to get me to go see him with him, but the only music I knew of his was the 80s hits. and trying to tell me I should do something over and over again is a good way to get me not to do it because of childhood stubbornness.

I think it was 2010 or 2011 when I bought Nebraska because the concept seemed cool to me, then I went back to the beginning of his career and realized I liked the dense arrangements and his raw vocals and the Clemons saxophone. I'm not a huge 'heartland rock' dude but Bruce is the type I dig.

eventually did see him live with the friend - can't believe he still plays 3 hour shows. I was exhausted by the end.

i'll finish this thought later when my mother stops screaming at an automated voice system and I can collect my thoughts

xpost we definitely need an I Hate America board. who wants to request on MRF

Even though I'm from NJ, the NJ Springsteen is from (and about) is unrecognizable to me. Where I grew up, it was rich kids listening to the Grateful Dead and poor kids listening to rap, metal and punk, and where I've lived for the last ~30 years everybody listens to rap and various flavors of Latin music (norteño, bachata, reggaeton, etc.). What Lily said about his music requiring identification is dead on IMO. As is this:

There's a clumsiness or a try-hard quality about his work that I personally find endearing and compelling but could just as easily find off-putting. He doesn't seem to have a natural genius for anything in particular, and so everything - his singing, his guitar playing, his lyric-writing, his storytelling, even his looks - seems like something he built for himself out of found materials that are just a little heavier than what he needs. I think that's cool but could see someone just going, "ugh why is there so much of everything???"

this could practically be its own ilx board

Tom would be its moderator-in-chief. I could help out as needed.

Tom would be its moderator-in-chief. I could help out as needed.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, February 2, 2021 4:42 PM (fifty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Would not hesitate to join this coalition of the willing

i personally hate america too and would love to join

Americans also welcome!

he tried to go Phil Spector and wound up Jim Steinman instead

Tbf, a chunk of the E Street Band plays on that Meatloaf album.

So Britishers, is listening to very American music like Bruce Springsteen or Johnny Cash or whatever considered as much of a cultish affectation there as someone listening to, say, Pulp or Blur or Oasis (or even the Kinks) might be here?

Do not put Johnny Cash in the same category as Springsteen!

YEAH, he's (better/worse/sexier/better at guitar/dead/an adulterer)