Let's talk about Vice Magazine

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Larry Clark is a good call. But we're getting into "I knew this neighbourhood when only pedophiles and drug dealers lived here and you had to ride a Sherman tank to the subway stop" territory here...

Momus (Momus), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

although

http://www.artcomnews.com/artistes2/clark/visu/oeuv01.jpg

1995 again

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

i dunno. you are giving vice credit for "starting" something that had been going strong for years and was still alive & kicking as far as i can tell. and not just in dennis cooper books and araki movies either. on MTV even. what with their bulimic cutters getting drunk and vomiting all over people's shoes programming strategy of the 90's and beyond.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

(And this thread is more meta than both. Any racists here, or just people using the word "nigga" protected by layers and layers of meta-quotation?)

Momus, you'll never be able to write Rob Harvilla if you keep all this meta-ing up.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

HALF NAKED bulimic cutters getting drunk and vomiting all over people's shoes even.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Larry Clark is really rude to Nan Goldin for copying him, FACT.

Fiona Apple was as behind the curve visually as the creative dirtector at her record company. Next.

Niii-iiick, y'think I don't KNOW what photographer is under discussion? And yes I think she was a crybaby hypocrite because I could guess the outcome if she had sex photos she took and wanted to use. They're both schmucks but he's the schweinhund I know.

I was at Francesco Vezzoli's documentary last night and all we did at the party al night was talk about these people.

suzy (suzy), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

vice would have to go a loooooooong way just to match jerry springer in his prime.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

larry clark rude? say it ain't so!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link

i hear that abel ferrara has horrid table manners.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:18 (seventeen years ago) link


"Which other magazines do we have threads on?"


People Who Only Read Literary Fiction, The New York Times, The New Yorker, Harpers, Vanity Fair, Instyle, Us, And Metal Magazines


(this is how boring i have become since my transgressive heyday)

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i have to admit, the recent russian issue was pretty good.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 3 June 2006 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Let's talk about Redbook magazine.

http://a820.g.akamai.net/f/820/822/1d/i.ivillage.com/redbook/subscribe/rbkcdsmag.jpg

Kim (Kim), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha for the record, I now hate Vice magazine. I think I started hating it a few months after this thread, actually. It really took a nosedive!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

don't forget the economist camp.

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

i cant honestly remeber if i was that worked up about vice or if i just really, really enjoyed arguing with momus

jewess harvell (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Let's talk about vice, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about vice
Let's talk about vice
Let's talk about vice
Let's talk about vice

Let's talk about vice for now to the people at home or in the crowd
It keeps coming up anyhow
Don't decoy, avoid, or make void the topic
Cuz that ain't gonna stop it
Now we talk about vice on the radio and video shows
Many will know anything goes
Let's tell it how it is, and how it could be
How it was, and of course, how it should be
Those who think it's dirty have a choice
Pick up the needle, press pause, or turn the radio off
Will that stop us, Pep? I doubt it
All right then, come on, Spin

[CHORUS]

Hot to trot, make any man's eyes pop
She use what she got to get whatever she don't got
Fellas drool like fools, but then again they're only human
The chick was a hit because her body was boomin'
Gold, pearls, rubies, crazy diamonds
Nothin' she ever wore was ever common
Her dates heads of state, men of taste
Lawyers, doctors, no one was too great for her to get with
Or even mess with, the Prez she says was next on her list
And believe me, you, it's as good as true
There ain't a man alive that she couldn't get next to
She had it all in the bag so she should have been glad
But she was mad and sad and feelin' bad
Thinkin' about the things that she never had
No love, just vice, followed next with a check and a note
That last night was dope

Let's talk about vice, baby (sing it)
Let's talk about you and me (sing it, sing it)
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about vice (come on)
Let's talk about vice (do it)
Let's talk about vice (uh-huh)
Let's talk about vice

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 June 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i like cat fancy

chaki (chaki), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:40 (seventeen years ago) link

BESTIALIST

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 June 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link

vice vice vice vice

a picture for: " hey look! nothing grosses me out", a place for kids with no identity, to get one :& it keeps moving, like your parents? moving, consuming...

>>your AA is how you treat your precious ones

schanden (ritual), Sunday, 4 June 2006 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

vice vice vice vice

oooooouch yep.
softcore OFF-MEETS urban-hipster, or you know what? how about just hit undooooo with the x meets y. that sounds so laim toooo!

the only thing that might be remembered abt VICE (as a mag) is the do's and don'ts ;)

schanden (ritual), Sunday, 4 June 2006 04:09 (seventeen years ago) link

The real reason to hate Vice is not because of its politics, but because some dumb cunt named Abby has her bootleg Canal Street ear rings showing up in the next issue. Fuck that fucking cunt ass bitch fucking slut twat fucker. Fuck her and her horse. I hope she dies and never has children because if she does I will fully doubt any possible existance of a benevolent god.

-- Fuck You Abby (Abbyhate...), October 13th, 2002.

Best post on the thread! Did we ever establish what Abby's jewelry line is called?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 4 June 2006 22:08 (seventeen years ago) link

TIRED / WIRED / EXPIRED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DOS / DON'TS

Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Sunday, 4 June 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

vice can be pretty funny... but don't you think that most of the problem some of you have with it is more in the way people assign it a certain value or give it a appraise it as having a certain amount of cultural capital? i don't know if i've ever really agreed (or pointedly disagreed for that matter) with momus, but i do think he's right that they'll be remembered as the harbinger of a certain kind of cool, or brand of cool, or as the flagbearer for a kind of identity that will probably expire soon (when, as momus suggests, it completely does get absorbed by the mainstream... and that's just the thing, some of you seem to be arguing that vice is mainstream and then turning around and saying 'most of the kids at my college probably wouldn't know what vice is'... well, which is it? i know, right? it's both.).

on a completely different plane, both nan goldin and ryan mcginley are capable of taking amazing, beautiful, ecstatic, perfect, amaing beautiful ecstatic perfect amazing, etc, photographs. araki is interesting to me in the sense that i wonder how a person gets away with it. the only level on which terry richardson is interesting to me is to wonder how a person who looks the way he does manages to have gotten as far as he has done. the aa ads are something totally different, namely, ads.

also, tokion is the best magazine (or it used to be anyway before that fuck larry rosenblum bought it a couple of months ago and now we will watch it wither but it used to be so i'll keep buying it for a couple years or so in a vain kind of hope).

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 5 June 2006 05:56 (seventeen years ago) link

also it's annoying and strange to me how a lot of the people on this thread bemoan vice's tone/perspective, and yet in declaring it tired/over, seem to somehow personify this perspective just as fully.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 5 June 2006 05:58 (seventeen years ago) link

People get bitchy when assholes bite their style!

Dan (Human Nature Pt. 2) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Why don't you admit that I was right: that Vice has been instrumental in setting the tone of this decade, and when we all look back at the style of the 00s, we'll remember something Vicelike?
Other than this being completely fucking wrong; I bet 90% of kids I went to college with don't even know what Vice is.


-- Courtney Gidts (jo...), June 3rd, 2006.

ding-a-ding-ding. one true thing in this orrible thread.

Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:09 (seventeen years ago) link

also it's annoying and strange to me how a lot of the people on this thread bemoan vice's tone/perspective, and yet in declaring it tired/over, seem to somehow personify this perspective just as fully.

I'm OTMing that one, meself. It's got a nice shape to it. A snake eating its own tail...

Momus (Momus), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:47 (seventeen years ago) link

A circle jerking against itself cannot stand.

Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Nick, you're wrong about this, and you've been wrong from day one. Please get over it.

J (Jay), Monday, 5 June 2006 12:58 (seventeen years ago) link

to be so i'll keep buying it for a couple years or so in a vain kind of hope).

-- firstworldman (3...), June 5th, 2006 4:56 PM. (later)

Woah, you have to buy it? Are you sure, I've always just seen it in piles next to other street presses. It says 'free' on it.

Who the fuck would want to read that shit if it cost money?

S- (sgh), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

lol this thread & 'i dont see how anyone could hate puff daddy without being racist' are my 2 favorite trolls ever

and what (ooo), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

also 'ann coulter is pretty' but i agree w/ that one

and what (ooo), Monday, 5 June 2006 13:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Woah, you have to buy it? Are you sure, I've always just seen it in piles next to other street presses. It says 'free' on it.

Who the fuck would want to read that shit if it cost money?

i think he was referring to TOKION magazine.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 5 June 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

yes i was talking about tokion. but you guys do get the onion for free, we do have to buy it if we want a paper copy.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 5 June 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

;_;

Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Monday, 5 June 2006 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

" ;_; "

are those tears??? all right not even the dos and dont's,
btw I heard terry's weiner is gonna fall off anytime soon now... wash yr hair meets cinemax carpet hairs? add a couple of Op t-shirts a skull of cuorse, what else?

schanden (ritual), Monday, 5 June 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y296/imomus/jessevice.jpg

I'm sure I saw this guy in a shit London metal bar on Saturday night. He was thumbing through a copy of Vice left on the table by someone else and nodding.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 5 June 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

hahaha!, yo sexy look, didn't forget to half-open those lips! mmmmmm

schanden (ritual), Monday, 5 June 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link

also 'ann coulter is pretty' but i agree w/ that one

this reminds me I was gonna send you a picture of my asscrack, you'll totally love it

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 5 June 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

An important node in the network? What does this mean? Since when did EVERYTHING have to be described as a network? What kind of network, what context, relevant to whom? What is the mainstream? This is sounds like meaningless PR spin: we are all network!

If Vice is representative of social trends, I'd like to know which ones please? And aren't the specificities of these trends worth examining in terms of this 'sensibility' that paying my bills? Why should Vice be so important anyway...

Michael Dieter (Mika), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 05:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Vice is so last century. Blogs are *IT*. Carlos D Herpes blog > Vice

Courtney Gidts (ex machina), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Blogs are I.T.

Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
Vice magazine is now sending out e-mails consisting of nothing but viral internet meme videos on Youtube, like the Kersall Massive and dumb shit like that. Are they going to reinvent themselves as a slightly less right-wing B3ta or something?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 6 July 2006 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
hooooooo boy.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 25 August 2006 07:15 (seventeen years ago) link

what do you expect from a magazine that has Rory Bremner has a contributor?

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 25 August 2006 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

as a

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Friday, 25 August 2006 07:22 (seventeen years ago) link

when i left university i had every intention of being an paid writer, so i did what i thought one does, and send a bunch of stuff i'd written as a student to the NS's arts ed (long gone, but author of a book on the CIA's funding of 'encounter' magazine and whatnot). anyhoo she actually printed two things i did. subsequent eds have given me the hi-hat, but anyway, i have this kind of pained interest in it.

Bashment Jakes (Enrique), Friday, 25 August 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

jesus what a dumbass article.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 25 August 2006 11:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Oy fucking vey.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link

that's the premiere journal of britain's left-wing intelligentsia you're calling dumb there!

animal bitrate (Enrique), Friday, 25 August 2006 12:21 (seventeen years ago) link


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