You're welcome.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 12:57 (three years ago) link
Whether it gets counted or not--the final list in any poll always interests me, but is never important to me (why would it be, to me or anyone else?)--I'll definitely vote for one television series.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 August 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
if there is any 'television series' included I hope it will be Twin Peaks: The Return
― Dan S, Friday, 14 August 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
That did get theatrical screenings, so people who normally wouldn't go near TV will be okay for voting for it. Mine is a straight-up TV show.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 August 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link
I validate Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Friday, 14 August 2020 02:30 (three years ago) link
sticking with Dekalog, you apostates
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 August 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
Dekalog was pretty great
― Dan S, Friday, 14 August 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
2001: A Space Odyssey, McCabe & Mrs. Miller, Taxi Driver, Close-Up, Sátántangó, In the Mood for Love, Mulholland Drive, Uncle Boonmee, Twin Peaks: The Return, Zama
films I will love forever
I don't see Zama or Twin Peaks: The Return on the pastebin list, they should be included. Or Burning, such an incredible film
― Dan S, Friday, 14 August 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
Added all three.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:14 (three years ago) link
It's time: It's the ILX All-Time Milm and Foovies Poll! -- Nominations Thread
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Thursday, 24 September 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link
Found this weird and interesting: a guy who voted in the '72/'82/'92 polls asking for an invite to vote in 2022.
http://tonymacklin.net/content.php?cID=936
― clemenza, Sunday, 30 May 2021 00:41 (two years ago) link
Fucking Shane.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Sunday, 30 May 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link
Movies in which Jean Arthur is oppressed/depressed/repressed.
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 00:35 (two years ago) link
haven't seen Shane but I really like westerns from the 1948-1960 era
― Dan S, Monday, 31 May 2021 00:50 (two years ago) link
Leone's films were a few years after that but were all pretty great
― Dan S, Monday, 31 May 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
I like Shane, don't love it, consider it part of film history--it's almost simultaneously a revisionist western itself and the context against which revisionist westerns from The Searchers to the later ones in the '60s and '70s make sense--and it doesn't seem to be particularly out of place on that list. (Philadelphia strikes me as the anomaly.)
― clemenza, Monday, 31 May 2021 01:11 (two years ago) link
> In 2022 there's a new world
and then doesn't list anything that's not ~30 years old
― koogs, Monday, 31 May 2021 03:05 (two years ago) link
I appreciate him giving us his rationale for adding and subtracting films from previous lists, but that is very much the list of a man who once made a list in 1972.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 03:48 (two years ago) link
Lol, exactly
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:03 (two years ago) link
Also, merry Sicilian.
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:04 (two years ago) link
This reads like this guy got divorced by cinema and now cinema won’t let him see the kids
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:08 (two years ago) link
omg
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:19 (two years ago) link
Savage.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link
lol of course he has to weigh in on fucking Birth of a Nation even though he isn't voting for it.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
I want to be on this guy's side, but I also think that the main point of doing these polls every 10 years is to track how tastes change with time. And he's really not selling that.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:25 (two years ago) link
Yeah I wasn’t trying to be mean, I think his perspective is potentially interesting & would like those reminiscences without the note of sadsack self pity; it’s especially rich because he’s basically like “I guess there’s just no room on this ol’ rock anymore for a guy who votes for vertigo and citizen kane in decadal polls” and come on
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:36 (two years ago) link
I hope they let him vote so he can immediately disappear among all the indistinguishable ballots. You can do it Tony!
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link
Yeah but also...
of course he has to weigh in on fucking Birth of a Nation even though he isn't voting for it
This.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link
Yeah that sucked & it was a rather cowardly sort of weighing in too
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link
My final film for the 2022 Sight & Sound top ten is Philadelphia. A movie that opens with music by Springsteen and closes with music by Neil Young is a keeper.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link
He's 84 so the only film that predates him on his list is The General. I have to admit, on my own list, I probably have at least as many films older than me than not, so I can't point fingers about being out of touch with film culture.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
I kind of want to defend him too, although "weird" in my original post may suggest otherwise. I found it weird he would publically lobby for a ballot. I hope he gets one, though. "Hey, I founded Film Heritage"--I guess only someone as stuck in that moment (when it comes to film critics) as I am would find that touching. I also wonder if Andrew Sarris's ballot, if he were alive, would be appreciably different.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 May 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
Here's the Agee piece on Griffith. Only the first two pages are on Birth of a Nation. Their final paragraph:
(Today, The Birth of it Nation is boycotted or shown piecemeal; too many more or less well-meaning people still accuse Griffith of having made it an anti-Negro movie. At best, this is nonsense, and at worst, it is vicious nonsense. Even if it were an anti-Negro movie, a work of such quality should be shown, and shown whole. But the accusation is unjust. Griffith went to almost preposterous lengths to be fair to the Negroes as he understood them, and he understood them as a good type of Southerner does. I don’t entirely agree with him; nor can I be sure that the film wouldn’t cause trouble and misunderstanding, especially as advertised and exacerbated by contemporary abolitionists; but Griffith’s absolute desire to be fair, and understandable, is written all over the picture; so are degrees of understanding, honesty, and compassion far beyond the capacity of his accusers. So, of course, are the salient facts of the so-called Reconstruction years.)
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 31 May 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
My final film for the 2022 Sight & Sound top ten is Philadelphia. A movie that opens with music by Springsteen and closes with music by Neil Young is a keeper.― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 31, 2021 9:53 AM (forty-eight minutes ago)
"Who could ask for anything more? It's a film for a Philly guy -- and a human being."
I can read between those lines, old man.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 15:42 (two years ago) link
Having watched the full, unexpurgated version of Birth of a Nation last year, can I just say fuck DW Griffith, fuck Jim Agee and fuck Tony Macklin.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 May 2021 15:43 (two years ago) link
D. W. Griffith - "Accidental Racist"
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:01 (two years ago) link
What's o_O about BOAN defenders is that it was widely perceived as provocatively racist in *1915*. To be fair, I didn't know that when first getting into film history in the 90s, but it's a fact that has been broadly established by now (even something as popular-history as Longworth's You Must Remember This mentioned it briefly in the most recent series)
― rob, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:02 (two years ago) link
The most amazing leap in that Agee piece is that it's supposedly "contemporary abolitionists" who would "cause trouble and misunderstanding" around the film.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:03 (two years ago) link
To be fair to Agee, they're still doing it to this day, to hear some tell it.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link
(Disclaimer: I am being facetious there. It's definitely revisionist history to paint Birth of a Nation as some sort of guiltless artifact that in only the last 40 or 50 years or so has been unpacked for its racism.)
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link
Clicked a few of the reviews on the homepage and got a kick out of his two-star assessment of the PBS Hemingway.
The Old Man and the Sea is a profound, personal vision.
But there's little recognition in the documentary of the importance of going beyond the surface into the art.
Androgyny and suicide are more important in the documentary.
Glibness trumps credibility. It is as though the film was made by the tourists on the shore.
Such is Ernest Hemingway in 2021.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 16:31 (two years ago) link
The Old Man and The Old Man and the Sea
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:47 (two years ago) link
Happy New “we get a new S&S fill poll this year” Year!
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 January 2022 19:01 (two years ago) link
Went to a screening of City Lights this afternoon and was wondering when exactly this thing comes out.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 June 2022 21:37 (one year ago) link
Starting to feel like later than last time, maybe even December
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Sunday, 12 June 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link
Obviously, please post here when it does; I never check magazines anymore, and--at least where I am--getting one won't be easy.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 June 2022 22:10 (one year ago) link
I mean, some of us might not have to pretend after all:
https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/features/poll-position-kaned
We invited more than a thousand people last time; the ambition is to at least double that number in 2022.
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Friday, 15 July 2022 12:25 (one year ago) link
Gonna go on the record in saying 2001 will win this time around.
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Friday, 15 July 2022 12:27 (one year ago) link
The callout for ballots dropped today
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:29 (one year ago) link
hope you will be able to get and submit one, we should have someone to represent us here
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:01 (one year ago) link