The way we live now - how will covid-19 change us?

I've been thinking about getting a couple of chickens

if you do, you must post pics.

yes ppl who are able to work from home are insulated from the crisis but what if comcast xfinity goes down

It will be a weird world but I will finally be justified in having hoarded books.

Locally, Air B&Bs made housing for locals scarce and drove up rents to twice the levels a few miles away. Now, with no cash flow on those mortgages, a lot of absentee landlords are returning their properties to the rental market. Granted, not the best time in a tourism driven local economy.

It will be a weird world but I will finally be justified in having hoarded books.

― There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit),

Somebody pointed out the other day that everyone who Marie Kondo-ed their lives last year is probably regretting it now.

There was a craze for adult ball pits last year. Think that is probably over.

I spent most of today, from 10 a.m. until dinner time, in an adult ball pit. There were nine other adults in there with me. We will never surrender

what language are you speaking

xp ha was that you

it got too hot and I had to leave

Somebody pointed out the other day that everyone who Marie Kondo-ed their lives last year is probably regretting it now.

I have clutter/hoarding tendencies (mostly physical media related but with a side order of musical gadgets and hi-fi gear) and to be honest the prospect of being homebound for a long time has made me wish I had less stuff and more space

it's not a great or practical time to sell excess stuff so I've been reorganising everything to hide away all the things that won't be used during lockdown

so I guess I can thank the plague for helping me sort out my priorities re material goods

(def. glad to have a bunch of unread books in the house though)

Somebody pointed out the other day that everyone who Marie Kondo-ed their lives last year is probably regretting it now.

I agree, fwiw. Can't really get my head around wishing I had more stuff around me, at all. Not that I Marie Kondo-ed, her method was not for me, to put it mildly, but I do like to get rid.

i have downsized a lot of stuff lately and i do not regret it a bit.

I don't regret the books I still want to read/reread, or the music.

I regret the purchases that represented some other course my life didn't take. The 5-string bass guitar. The small PA and DJ lights. The ill fitting scuba gear. The coffee-table erotica. The roadside geology guides. It's all been waiting to be sorted and sold in my spare room (It could fit into a walk in closet) but it's all weighed on me for the better part of a decade.

I'm a bit angry that Amazon has taken down third party selling, as the used quotes were to be my guide for whether the piles of books I don't want were worth posting there or ebay or taking to the Goodwill.

idk if it's overly literal or not! there are so many variant translations of that verse that i can't actually tell what you were referencing - "in the beginning good fortune, at the end chaos"?

Oh, the name of that passage is 萃: gathering, assembling, basically 'en masse' and then the lines i quoted had "gathering, moaning" and "boo-hoo, sniffle, snot" with some stock divinatory jargon.

anyway that's not my point, my point is that from what i see trick-or-treating is already in transition, kids wandering from door to door in the dark was already well on its way to becoming a thing of the past.

You're probably right that it's trended this way, but not everywhere equally, and hopefully not imminently enough that there's possibility the trend will reverse before door to door trick or treating is killed off for good...

public swimming pools i didn't go near even before transitioning. "here let me show off this body i fucking hate", you know?

Yeah, definitely. I absolutely dreaded swimming in school on the rare occasions it was scheduled for that reason, even though I love actual swimming. I dreaded changing for gym in middle school, and it felt like it was just me who hated it but in hindsight that seems extremely unlikely.

i do wonder about the hyper-social people, what will change, how their behaviours will adapt, because all of the precautions on personal space being suggested now are perfectly amenable to me.

I'm pretty much in the same boat, I mean, I live in Manhattan where personal space is an impossibility, or maybe a fiction at best. But it's totally amenable to me in theory lol. The other day I went to the park to get away from my neighbors... and I'm not sure I've ever seen it so crowded, honestly. Tbf it was 75 degrees in March, but you would never know there's a pandemic going on.

I've worried more about the environmental impact than the social one tbh. It's not at all hard for me to imagine, for instance, mass extermintion of animal species who could potentially spread diseases to humans. The interim measures taken by China thus far have been to restrict wildlife trade and consumption, so I hope I'm wrong. I'd welcome limitations on "discretionary" travel going forward but I really don't think it's gonna happen.

I have clutter/hoarding tendencies (mostly physical media related but with a side order of musical gadgets and hi-fi gear) and to be honest the prospect of being homebound for a long time has made me wish I had less stuff and more space

this is me too! being constantly surrounded by piles of too-much-stuff is even more wearing now it's basically 24/7, plus there is extra awareness of keeping surfaces clean and having separate areas for things which have been outside, etc, and that's not so easy to do when you have 0 clear surfaces

(or, tbf, when you really hate cleaning and tidying and can't be bothered even though you know you probably need to more than ever)

I've been meaning to sell a bunch of records because I never listen to vinyl any more and it's just a big box of stuff I bang my toe on sometimes (plus some more boxes hidden in cupboards) but yeah, as you say it's not really the time now

Where did you order from?

Hop Burns & Black in East Dulwich/Peckham kind of way, although they have a Deptford shop as well. No sign of a delivery time though.

Cloudwater is completely out of all its IPAs. It's truly the hipsterpocalypse. (They do have plenty of guest beers to ship, however)

if IPAs the world over are cancelled this will be a glorious day

They price they sell Cloudwater at they'll have bankrupted the country before we all die.

Yes - though much more reasonable from their site than from wind-up merchants like Mother Kelly's who routinely sell tall-boy cans for £8

I got a few of these: https://shop.cloudwaterbrew.co/collections/guest-beers/products/mobberley-brewhouse-spring-ipa

capitalism will get v basic

Cuba can send all of its doctors to the ends of the Earth. But they'll never match the ingenuity of the market. pic.twitter.com/yiSpGEYtKn

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 24, 2020

Beer nerds insist that cloudwater prices fairly reflect the cost of all the hi-tech microbiology/alchemy they practice, my scientific opinion is maybe so but fuck off im going to Lidl

Every cloudwater beer I've had I've been like "this is the most delicious beer eve-this beer has outstayed its welcome", but then had to finish it because it cost like 6

I have no memory of any Cloudwater I've had, and I've surely had a few

I'm a bit angry that Amazon has taken down third party selling

has this occurred? This is the first I'm hearing of it

I've been meaning to sell a bunch of records because I never listen to vinyl any more and it's just a big box of stuff I bang my toe on sometimes (plus some more boxes hidden in cupboards) but yeah, as you say it's not really the time now

fwiw I relisted a bunch of previously unsold eBay shit right before this pandemic really escalated and half of the items have bids on them at the moment, so you may wanna try anyway. I mean, you have the time!

Only two mentions of Cloudwater here: UK beer in the new era

One is aldo mysteriously describing them as 'the stars of the scene' and the other is Albert R Broccoli sampling an international delivery with mild approval

Now I'm remembering harder, I now think they might be one of those perennial offenders in the 'bland slightly buzzy sours' department. Where the first sip is 'wow yes that is a sour' and the rest is, as Biscuits says, a slightly tedious chore

I think their beers are quite nice! Just insanely expensive

Yeah I would never deny the tastiness of fancy beers but they are for wealthy people who don't like getting drunk

Aldi had a load of "craft beers" for £1 each, I got 5 types - 2 were undrinkable, 2 were fairly standard, 1 was actually quite nice, so have been back for that one since then, forgotten the name but it's sort of a dark orange with three gurning gargoyle thingies on the side.

I wouldn’t call myself wealthy so much as profligate and irresponsible tbf, destroying my liver with the tasty stuff is my avocado toast 😃

yeah well I guess to some people all alcohol is a luxury rmde

It's going to be a really bad time for the people self-isolating with alcoholics, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 10:32 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

ive been waiting for my time to shine, up til now my childhood was a handicap

Thornbridge and Fourpure are both doing very fine sours available cheaply at Tesco atm, especially the former's Florida Weisse

Everything is horrific and upsetting enough without introducing sour beers into the equation.

I was about to say, this thread naturally includes "how will covid-19 not change us?" but a reminder that people will still feel free to start talking about shite beers in any thread seems particularly hurtful.

(my definition of shite beers includes all beer, but we can probably get a consensus together that we can live with)

Though I was amused to see that untapped says that someone in the last few hours has been drinking a CloudWater beer on draft - in South Korea.

I've been meaning to sell a bunch of records because I never listen to vinyl any more and it's just a big box of stuff I bang my toe on sometimes (plus some more boxes hidden in cupboards) but yeah, as you say it's not really the time now

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 11:55 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

fwiw I relisted a bunch of previously unsold eBay shit right before this pandemic really escalated and half of the items have bids on them at the moment, so you may wanna try anyway. I mean, you have the time!

― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 25 March 2020 13:22 (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

up till now when i've considered this (as a sometime music writer with a lot of unplayed vinyl, some of it in not-terrible condition lol) i've assumed it meant taking parcels to the post office (as i do with books and ABE)

not sure this is now possible under UK lockdown conditions? are there alternatives? (i do indeed have time to start listing things tho)

(not really the thread for the conversation maybe but since the discussion was started)

I see that off-licences are now allowed to open as "essential". now, I like a good booze and wouldn't have argued if they hadn't shut in the first place, but opening them especially does seem a bit odd

(I guess it's not good for their survival if people get even more used to going to the supermarkets for booze instead, but then that's true for other kinds of shop currently closed)

anyway I hope the wine shop near here will still go ahead with the home delivery scheme they just announced, as I was mentally drawing up a list & don't fancy my chances of making it half a mile down the main road without passing anyone. there's also a microbrewery nearby doing home deliveries, but their beers are 90% sour beers that mr spacecadet doesn't like - so, hello, fellow sour-beer-dislikers. (me, I don't even like beer...)

My final batch of CDs for the time being finished on Monday night, and I still have some packages to take. If you have a lot it's better to use the Drop & Go facility where you just stick it behind the counter and they do it all for you, but maybe not the most practical time to be signing up to that? But post offices will remain open I guess, otherwise how will OAPs send letters of complaint to their local newspaper about all this lockdown nonsense?

Also, auctions are doing very well right now as everyone's stuck at home, just saying.

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they're keeping the govt-run wine&liquor stores open in Quebec so people don't ram the grocery stores just trying to buy alcohol

my brother in Georgia also just told me that gun stores have been deemed "essential services" there

Yes, how else are you going to fight off the brown people coming for your canned goods

post offices are still open as an "essential service" under lockdown, but it might not be the time to do regular journeys with armfuls of things requiring individual attention, it's true

I think there's some service where you can weigh parcels yourself and buy prepaid postage labels online to print at home? or where you can start an account online and just drop them off to be weighed and posted without waiting and get billed online? (xps, I think the latter is "Drop & Go" as Matt #2 says, not sure if the former still exists as I can't find it on their site)

there's a thread for discogs sellers/buyers - discogs marketplace? - where people would probably know more, or maybe everyone's reading these threads more keenly than their usual threads anyway

Yes some offies are delivery hubs. Ours (booze and expensive snacks shop) has started selling loo roll etc and is delivering essentials to people.

i took the parcels query to the discogs thread

It seems obvious that the ability to travel is going to change massively? Like we already knew how bad it was for carbon emissions but we've also glorified it so much for so long, and tbh it's hugely enjoyable if you can do in the way that seems best to you. But it's not a "right" and it's not good for places that are more tourist attractions than places for people to live (Venice, Dubrovnik, et al?). Maybe it will be un-normalized and we'll all stay home/local more, and go back to driving to Natl Parks for recreation instead of flying to Cabo.

it's kind of weird because i've never, like, flown to cabo?

we were planning to fly to georgia to visit my wife's sister. that seems to me like a more prevalent flight use case than cabo. so, i don't know, my wife never seeing her sister again? too soon to think about.

heh, yeah. i haven't taken a "real" vacation in a few years, since my honeymoon - by "real vacation" i mean an instagram vacation where your pictures astonish your friends. a lot of my friends make it a priority, though, visiting lovely beaches around the world several times a year somehow.

by "a lot of my friends" i mean people i once who knew but who i still follow on instagram