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is this usually OK to use? looks to have a much better selection than ebay, or does anyone know of any good alternatives?

(sorry if this has been asked before, couldn't find anything when I searched?)

vain_bowers, Monday, 29 December 2008 16:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

discogs imho is in the same league as Gemm and Musicstack--generally a slightly more esoteric selection, but the pitfalls and price-gouging remain the same. (i.e. it's a number of individual sellers and so it's dicey no matter what. I guess that's why there's a feedback system? I've never used discogs.)

ian, Monday, 29 December 2008 17:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

i assume you're looking for vinyl? discogs is usually fine, but i wouldn't buy anything labeled below nm-, unless you've scanned the seller's profile and s/he seems like a saint

unclejam79, Monday, 29 December 2008 17:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

yeah just vinyl and CDs that you can no longer get elsewhere really, thanks for the warning!

vain_bowers, Monday, 29 December 2008 17:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

i started using it a few months ago and have found it to be pretty great in general though i would agree about not buying below mint. out of about 30 purchases i've only had to deal with one person who ripped me off. i now look on discogs before ebay if looking for a record.

stirmonster, Monday, 29 December 2008 18:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

I was able to score a highly OOP release from overseas, and as long as you have PayPal, you're quick, and you're picky about feedback ratings, you should be fine. (same goes with Gemm and the like.)

soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

via discogs that is. Granted, I've only bought one thing from Discogs marketplace, but it was a simple and quick transaction, especially for overseas.

+1 to discogs: they don't have Gemm's crappy UI (Gemm usually contains these impossibly long forms with checkboxes and radio selection buttons all obfuscated while you're trying to buy or sell through them.)

soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:10 (ten years ago) Permalink

i buy and sell on discogs. have only had 1 bad experience with a guy who tried to charge me 10 dollars to ship a cd single from Canada.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

i've shopped quite a bit on Discogs, 30+ purchases or so, and I have been satisfied in all but one. And in that instance I filed a claim through PayPal and got my money back. As long as you use PayPal you should be fine and protected, prices are high though and I don't buy anything under NM-, like everyone else here has said.

san frandisco, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:18 (ten years ago) Permalink

I've used it once so far without problem. There are some rare and/or hard to get things on there, but the prices seem a little over the odds a lot of the time.

krakow, Monday, 29 December 2008 22:11 (ten years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

lol last post on thread: http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?seller=musicberlin

Um, someone want to try and explain this to me? Also WRT his feedback rating/comments?

you used to sleep with somebody who avoided a soap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:06 (nine years ago) Permalink

hahaha. so weird. just 5 seconds ago i sent my friend a link to a record that is also $1540.00. 2 days ago it was $15. something's wacky.

jaxon, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

holy shit, so weird. it's actually the same seller. wtf

jaxon, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

discogs allows you to bulk upload items to your marketplace account for sale via a .csv file. I guess with an inventory of 25000 items this is what that seller does and that their prices got out of whack somehow in the process.

krakow, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

what i cant stand about discogs is the inflexiblity of postage rates. if im ordering one white label 12, theres no way the postage will be £2.75 or £3. very fucking annoying.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

should that weigh less than a non white label?

jaxon, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:37 (nine years ago) Permalink

xp OK that probably explains that

titchy are you saying that's over the odds? It's not if you consider postage plus if you have to buy a mailer!

you used to sleep with somebody who avoided a soap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:38 (nine years ago) Permalink

i suppose. but white labels are still cheaper than normal lps.

i do like discogs though, the offers system is good too. some of the prices people put on their records though is ridiculous (and i do wonder if they do end up getting the prices they ask for).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

what i cant stand about discogs is the inflexiblity of postage rates. if im ordering one white label 12, theres no way the postage will be £2.75 or £3. very fucking annoying.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:36 (18 minutes ago)

Postage rates have nothing to do with discogs though, they're entirely up to the individual seller, so I'm not sure what you mean by them being inflexible. You should contact the seller if you think they're charging over the odds.

I happily both send and receive offers on prices via discogs, often the listed price is just a ball park, or best hope, or even a stab in the dark if you're the only person selling an item.

Again, if you think something's over priced then just speak to the seller. No big deal. If they don't like your offer they'll ignore it or let you know. Easy as pie.

krakow, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:59 (nine years ago) Permalink

well i mean the indvidual seller obv, yeah.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

I need to get rid of lots of dance vinyl - some desirable, some considerably less so - and ebay seems like a busted flush for this kind of thing: a few tumbleweed auctions surrounded by acres of Buy It Now postings from professional retailers. Has anyone here used it for selling recently? Is it better than ebay now? Does stuff shift fairly quickly or sit around for months?

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 25 January 2010 17:44 (nine years ago) Permalink

I use discogs for buying and selling fairly often. For dance vinyl, I'd say it's def better than ebay. It's really quick and simple to list items, and there are no fees unless your items actually sell, whereas Ebay charges a listing fee. I have some things on discogs that have been sitting for quite a while now, but it all depends on what you have vs. how many others are selling the same item.

one time gaffled 'em up (one time), Monday, 25 January 2010 19:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

Best to put them on Discogs a couple bucks below whatever is the cheapest copy if you want to move it immediately. if you're in no hurry, put it at a good price, offer a discount for multiple items in the Comments field and wait.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 25 January 2010 19:45 (nine years ago) Permalink

Good advice. Thanks. Tbh I'm more interested in offloading most of it than making big £££.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 25 January 2010 20:36 (nine years ago) Permalink

ive put some stuff around the lowest price theyre listed at on discogs but still waiting to shift them. starting to think im possibly the only person buying old grime or dubstep 12s.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:53 (nine years ago) Permalink

five months pass...

what does it mean when there's a color bar to the side of a release in discogs.

there's yellow, grey and orange here http://www.discogs.com/artist/Rolling+Stones%2C+The

jaxon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 22:55 (eight years ago) Permalink

If you hover over them it tells you.

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 22:57 (eight years ago) Permalink

ah! thank you. i've been searching for hours

jaxon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 23:05 (eight years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

So, if one were selling off a few hundred records of the psych / noise / jazz / indie variety, discogs over eBay, for sure? My issue with discogs (and, for CDs, Amazon) is the fact that things sell in spurts, with no deadline. It tends to make packing records and regular trips to the post office a full time job. Any advice?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

i dunno, i always buy on discogs, sell on amazon. i don't want to wait for people to stumble over what i'm trying to unload, and on average, i get really good money from ebay sales.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

i think the upside (sale price) on ebay is (or can be) higher, but the ease of doing stuff on discogs might be better, depending on how much hassle you're willing to go through

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I find Discogs has rarer stuff in the first place, and then for a more reasonable price than Amazon. If what you're selling is aimed at the collectors market or folks that may not look at Amazon first, Discogs is the way to go.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:12 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thanks!

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

it feels good to sell rare-ish things on ebay for +£££s to people who don't know about discogs ;)

jed_, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

Coincidentally they just linked to this via their Facebook page:

http://www.discogs.com/blog/339369-top-30-most-expensive-items-sold-by-month

boxedjoy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:40 (seven years ago) Permalink

eight months pass...

Advice on this:

Person contacts me on Discogs about an item that I am not listing for sale, offers me a large (but not obscene) amount for it, then paypals me with his "brother-in-law's" account and wants me to ship it to his sister (he's in Europe). Obviously I'm not going to ship it to anyone other than his brother-in-law (since anything else violates PayPal's Seller TOS) but should I even do that? Is this some sort of crazy elaborate scam to get a CD single? His Discogs rating is fine... but the whole thing seems pretty suspicious.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:02 (six years ago) Permalink

Obviously I will not accept the payment if I don't ship him anything btw.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:06 (six years ago) Permalink

I would just make sure to do delivery confirmation/insurance so he can't say it never arrived and file a claim with Paypal. That's the only scam I could think of if he already paid. Unless he somehow got hold of someone else's Paypal account but that seems far fetched.

Does seem a little suspicious to have done enough business on discogs to have a rating and yet you don't have your own Paypal acct?

dmr, Monday, 7 January 2013 17:40 (six years ago) Permalink

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sleeve, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

hmm discogs is really a good database and have often thought it would be nice to be able to look up different editions of books/comics/movies instead of just doing ebay-searches but not sure if this seems like a greedy move or an enthusiast move, also not sure if such databases/market places already exist

also, any thoughts on whether the new tax policy will be very harmful to the 2nd hand market place? (apparently Discogs will add 25% tax or something for all orders going from US to EU)

niels, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:42 (four years ago) Permalink

Whoa- what? Really?

Evan, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:04 (four years ago) Permalink

It's VAT that's now payable on *fees* paid by sellers at their local rate if they are in the EU. Fees are 8% of sales prices.

Noel Emits, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:53 (four years ago) Permalink

So it only applies to sellers in the EU and it's nothing to do with where orders are going. I think it works out to no more than around 1.8% on the price of a record in practice. Presumably VAT registered businesses would be able to claim it back as well so no need to pass it on to customers.

Noel Emits, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:56 (four years ago) Permalink

I'll give Discogs credit for hooking me up with a good guy from Norway who had a Neil Young tribute LP I'd been trying to get for eight years (Everybody Knows This Is Norway. It's worth more than I was prepared to pay, so he ripped the CD, put it up on Soulseek, and I got it from him that way.

The other thing I've listed on my want-list is a Velvet Underground tribute that came out in the late '80s. I get an e-mail every few weeks saying one's up for sale, but it's always around 20 pounds, which after conversion and shipping is just way out of my buying range.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 April 2015 01:29 (four years ago) Permalink

It seems to be a good place to buy from. I've only had one negative experience I can think of where a cd arrived shattered because it was sent with neither jewel case or adequate padding.
May have been others but that is the only one came to mind. Think I got a refund but not the cd I wanted.
Discogs is also a reasonably ok resource though it does have gaps. I use it frequently when EACing cds I've bought when they're not in the EAC database. Tends to have tracklisting down for main release version at least.
Gap can be in what releases are listed though.
Would be useful to have reviews of lps and individual release versions too. I think there are some reviews on site but sporadic. There is rateyourmusic I guess. But would be useful.

Stevolende, Saturday, 18 April 2015 07:00 (four years ago) Permalink

I actually appreciate discogs more because of the lack of reviews. Everyone on Rateyourmusic considers themselves geniuses but they're really just a slightly better class of youtube commenter.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 18 April 2015 07:04 (four years ago) Permalink

I had someone buy from me in Argentina but wanted me to ship to his sister in Chile as you are 'not allowed' more than two foreign packages a year or some such.

So I did, and it all went fine.

Mark G, Saturday, 18 April 2015 10:13 (four years ago) Permalink

JUst thinking that it would make it a full resource if people said what they thought of the lp since it could help one work out which lps by an artist were worth getting. also which pressings/releases of which lp.
BUt I guess that most people going to discogs are doing so to buy material they're already aware of. Particularly marketplace.
Just thought if it was done right it could help the experience. But not sure how 'doing it right' would be achieved anyway since I can see what johnny's saying about rateyourmusic being true at least to some extent. Ego/opinion outweighing info etc

Do wonder where you get information on the best sounding versions of things from since it doesn't seem to be fully utilised on RYM and Amazon just mixes all reviews for all releases under a title together.

Stevolende, Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:23 (four years ago) Permalink

Of course anyone can post reviews on there and the entire database is user populated. The process of submitting release data excludes editorialising though, which is as it should or it would never get done and.disagreements would be endless.

I like that the site still feels a bit down-home and ungentrified. Not unlike this place really. My impression is that the staff are still enthusiasts for the most part.

Noel Emits, Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:38 (four years ago) Permalink

discogs are reviews are great, it's either:
a) old school clubbers reminiscing and being crazy hyperbolic about old school house/rave
b) a bunch of people posting "repress please?" or "you gougers should be ashamed or yourself" (hip euro "underground" deep house 12"s on small labels)
c) some person posting "the label on my copy is more periwinkle than violet and 'chuggin gasoline' is about 6 seconds longer than on the original uk chiswick issue"

brimstead, Sunday, 19 April 2015 03:39 (four years ago) Permalink

Is frequent updating the reason things fall out of my cart (Discogs) every few days from certain sellers? The items are almost never sold and I just add them back to buy on a rainy day. I'm just wondering why that happens.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 26 April 2019 21:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Are you adding them to your cart or your wantlist?

michaellambert, Friday, 26 April 2019 21:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Cart.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 26 April 2019 23:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe the cart times out after a period of time if you’re not committing to buy the items?

michaellambert, Friday, 26 April 2019 23:19 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Nah, it's just certain (high volume) sellers. I've got stuff that's been sitting in my cart for over a year and other stuff I have to to keep adding back regularly.

I mostly just treat the cart that way to take the most advantage of combined shipping. I add a handful of things from on seller's inventory, and then check back from time to time hoping they've added something that will make me pull the trigger on ordering.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 April 2019 00:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, some sellers update their stock by completely relisting everything regularly (although there are other ways to do it), others do it because items show up as new listings and buyers get notified (which is many users' No.1 most annoying aspect of the site).

Armand Frippanino (Noel Emits), Saturday, 27 April 2019 12:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

My first job of each day is to discount and re-list anything which is still unsold after six months - that seems like a decent gap in terms of wantlist notifications, and it does help shift stock.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 27 April 2019 12:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

More than long enough IMO.

But also you can just upload changes, which doesn't generate new listings or kick them out of buyers' carts. AFAIK.

Armand Frippanino (Noel Emits), Saturday, 27 April 2019 12:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"Which is many users' No. 1 most annoying aspect of the site"

Ding ding ding

I actually take shit off my wantlist cuz of this, I think it's super annoying. Discussed upthread iirc

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I also don't like aeeing the same overpricing shithead big lad sellers' stock every day but I can see the logical difficulty with preventing a seller from uploading stock repeatedly as new listings.

Stopping it would probably mean introducing listing fees and that would be pants so I put up with it.

Armand Frippanino (Noel Emits), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Nah they just meed to let you block sellers!

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Need

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't even read the emails, unless there's a way to limit to UK only there's no point, I just get loads of results from the US where the shipping is going to be 5x the cost of the record

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, c'mon it doesn't me £20 to send a cd to the USA, surely it can't cost that the other direction?

Mark G, Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

You'd be surprised US is almost as bad as Australia now

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think some rule changes mean US postage prices are that high these days. Looking at nearly £20 for tapes!

x-post - You can filter new items from your want list by currency (though not 'ships from' for no good reason I can see).

https://www.discogs.com/sell/mywants?currency=GBP

(Set the sort to Newest First).

Armand Frippanino (Noel Emits), Saturday, 27 April 2019 13:57 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Australia used to be really good for cds, new at a third of the price. Postage would be the other third, so you'd be still ahead.

Mark G, Saturday, 27 April 2019 14:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp yeah I do that on my wantlist, but iirc there is no way to do that for the emails

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 27 April 2019 14:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Basically the only country I can buy from now is Germany unless I want to pay out the nose for postage to the US. Not sure what the deal is there, but Germany to US postage is not much more than buying from inside the US itself.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 27 April 2019 15:56 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've noticed that as well

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yup same. Actually have had decent luck with Japan as well

brimstead, Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As a Canadian, I pretty much only shop Germany on discogs. it's weird.

maffew12, Saturday, 27 April 2019 16:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Wouldn't tie in with the reason everybody in Germany used to speak English with a US accent, because of the presence of so many US military/Air Force bases

Stevolende, Saturday, 27 April 2019 18:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

sorry meant to end with would it?
Meant taht everybody was listening to US military/AF radio.

Just wondering if somebody found a useful loophole through that (bases etc) to get cheap mail rates or something.

Stevolende, Saturday, 27 April 2019 18:18 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Australia used to be really good for cds, new at a third of the price. Postage would be the other third, so you'd be still ahead.

this was probably when they dropped the parallel importation laws that had kept prices high on imports to protect the local industry - new CD prices dropped from $30 to $10 for two years in pop-up shops, 70+% of existing record shops closed, and then the pop-up shops turned into perfume galleries and mobile phone shops

also, postage mysteriously started going up every six months when a former venture capital manager and bank CEO was appointed head of Australia Post, raised his own salary to over ten times that of the Prime Minister, and laid off 900 employees. wild coincidence, I'm sure.

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 19:50 (three weeks ago) Permalink

An update on my malady above, for anyone wishing one. I told Discogs that I wasn't get any replies from the guy who I'd attempted to buy the record from, and they said they'd freeze his account if he didn't reply within three days, and he just switched the transaction to "sent" without any messages. That was ten or so days ago, and the record hasn't arrived. I've ordered another record from a different seller since then, it arrived literally the next day. I don't imagine the record will arrive. It could have got lost in the post, but this guy's refusal to communicate doesn't make me want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't guess it's worth the hassle of trying to get a refund - it was a £9 record - but I definitely will give him a negative feedback if he doesn't reply to my next message.

He never replied to the tweet I sent him. Weirdly, it seems we have a bunch of friends in common, according to Twitter.

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

You should be able to get a refund processed automatically iirc? Without having to chase the dude himself

blokes you can't rust (sic), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Via Paypal?

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:20 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I guess my only reluctance over that is the only "proof" i have that he ripped me off is his never communicating and my never receiving the record

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Though when I type it out like that...

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

get a refund with the intent to send the money if it ever arrives? By this point the guy deserves to forfeit the money anyway, just for your time and stress.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

If you used Paypal the onus is on the seller to provide tracking proof that the items was delivered to the address given.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I've never had a problem this severe on Discogs, but I know Paypal and eBay both strongly favor the buyer in finding a resolution. I imagine it would be the same in Discogs' case, or else they'd lose a ton of business.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Thanks everyone - if he doesn't reply this week I'll pursue the refund.

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 06:52 (one week ago) Permalink

And almost inevitably the record arrived this morning, posted four weeks after ordered and almost a week after he changed the status to "shipped". He lives 20 minutes drive from my house.

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 08:45 (one week ago) Permalink

Who knows, he might be following this thread?

breastcrawl, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 09:56 (one week ago) Permalink

 

(peace, man) at 6:57 26 Apr 19

... So my initial impression is that record collectors are just flakier than guitar players.

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 10:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Gla dyou got your lp! It will never cease to amaze me that sellers like yours just do not reply. I can't grasp that.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 10:02 (one week ago) Permalink

Millennials don’t understand the concept of good customer service. /s

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 11:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Gla dyou got your lp! It will never cease to amaze me that sellers like yours just do not reply. I can't grasp that.

I know! And I would have been chill with literally any explanation or excuse, like, 'Aw I'm just really slammed at the moment will get it to you ASAP' or whatevs.

I'm pretty sure he's not even a millennial. Eh, oh well. Record sounds sweet.

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 13:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I think you've been very patient with this dude as you could've gave him a much harder time about this. Glad the record sounds good!

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:17 (one week ago) Permalink

Here's a question thats been on my mind recently - I've been selling some CDs here and there and struggling with how to grade the discs. I don't want to get bashed for over-grading stuff, but it seems weird to me to grade CDs in the same way as LPs, since visual imperfections dont affect the fidelity in the same ways as with vinyl - there's no surface noise or degradation of the grooves or anything. But when I look around for CD grading standards everything just sort of seems to mirror vinyl grading standards, which seems off to me.

Backstory, I had a guy give me angry feedback over a CD I sold him that I graded VG+ - I had only played it a handful of times and it played through perfectly in multiple players, it didnt have an original NM mirror finish to it but didnt have any noticeable scratches or anything, admittedly I didn't go over it with a magnifying glass, but it just looked like a regular newish CD to me. But the buyer was pissed I graded it VG+ when he saw some marks on it that dont affect play. On the one hand I feel bad (gave the guy half his $ back), but on the other hand I guess I dont totally grasp what a VG+ CD looks like?

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:11 (one week ago) Permalink

I guess the slow accumulation of scuffs and marks can obviously turn a playable CD into a non-playable CD, but tbh I'm not sure if I've ever had a CD that played fine when I got it start skipping and going bad on me, or at least not since high school in the 90s when I would just have piles of loose discs floating around my car. But maybe I take better care of my discs than most?

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:17 (one week ago) Permalink

(i mean ive obviously had CDs get ruined from getting sat on or getting beer spilled on them or other various external acts of force majeure, but dont think I've ever had one go bad through the wear & tear of 'normal' play over the years, is what I mean)

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:27 (one week ago) Permalink

i check CDs under a bright light and then grade visually

worst thing about CDs on discogs are the maniacs that break releases down into matrix number level, what the hell is that all about?

Br. Des Shadows (NickB), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:29 (one week ago) Permalink

to my mind, a CD either does or does not work. that said, i can understand how scuffs / markings on a CD surface could affect one's perceived value and even enjoyment of the medium. which is to say, i essentially treat grading CDs as a cosmetic thing, akin to an album sleeve. that's why, unless something is stone cold mint, i describe as carefully and thoroughly everything i can about why i've arrived at the grade i've given.

it might sound tedious but when you go through a CD collection you'll probably find yourself copying and pasting the same description with slight variations as needed. with something graded VG+ / VG+ you might arrive at a description like this:

Some minor wispy marks to CD can be seen upon close inspection, but overall glossy and clean. Plays great with no issues. Small ding to front insert top right corner, otherwise great condition; inlay is crisp and as new.

sort of obnoxious collector-speak, but i guess i'm fine with sounding like a dork if it means conveying what's essential about the item's flaws and reassuring potential buyers that they know what they're getting.

budo jeru, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:38 (one week ago) Permalink

the maniacs that break releases down into matrix number level, what the hell is that all about?

― Br. Des Shadows (NickB), Friday, May 10, 2019 10:29 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if it means three figures for a japanese import of jethro tull's "thick as a brick" then bring it on imo

budo jeru, Friday, 10 May 2019 15:41 (one week ago) Permalink

makes sense budo jeru, guess i'll start approaching it that way. feels dumb to admit but it honestly didnt occur to me that anyone was looking at the bottoms of CDs before playing them

One Eye Open, Friday, 10 May 2019 16:26 (one week ago) Permalink

worst thing about CDs on discogs are the maniacs that break releases down into matrix number level, what the hell is that all about?

this is because the marketplace is a little moneymaking thing hanging off the side of the database that is the site's raison d'etre

you can only sell things that are in the database

blokes you can't rust (sic), Friday, 10 May 2019 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

My CD buyers have ranged from super-picky object fetishists who want absolutely pristine playing surfaces, to people who just want the cheapest playable versions available, no matter how scratched, so they can rip them to FLAC. I've learnt to grade them very cautiously. Agree that the matrix number geekery is baffling - I resent all the time I've had to spend peering at tiny numbers under my SAD lamp.

mike t-diva, Monday, 13 May 2019 08:55 (one week ago) Permalink


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