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is this usually OK to use? looks to have a much better selection than ebay, or does anyone know of any good alternatives?

(sorry if this has been asked before, couldn't find anything when I searched?)

vain_bowers, Monday, 29 December 2008 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

discogs imho is in the same league as Gemm and Musicstack--generally a slightly more esoteric selection, but the pitfalls and price-gouging remain the same. (i.e. it's a number of individual sellers and so it's dicey no matter what. I guess that's why there's a feedback system? I've never used discogs.)

ian, Monday, 29 December 2008 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

i assume you're looking for vinyl? discogs is usually fine, but i wouldn't buy anything labeled below nm-, unless you've scanned the seller's profile and s/he seems like a saint

unclejam79, Monday, 29 December 2008 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

yeah just vinyl and CDs that you can no longer get elsewhere really, thanks for the warning!

vain_bowers, Monday, 29 December 2008 17:46 (eleven years ago) link

i started using it a few months ago and have found it to be pretty great in general though i would agree about not buying below mint. out of about 30 purchases i've only had to deal with one person who ripped me off. i now look on discogs before ebay if looking for a record.

stirmonster, Monday, 29 December 2008 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

I was able to score a highly OOP release from overseas, and as long as you have PayPal, you're quick, and you're picky about feedback ratings, you should be fine. (same goes with Gemm and the like.)

soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

via discogs that is. Granted, I've only bought one thing from Discogs marketplace, but it was a simple and quick transaction, especially for overseas.

+1 to discogs: they don't have Gemm's crappy UI (Gemm usually contains these impossibly long forms with checkboxes and radio selection buttons all obfuscated while you're trying to buy or sell through them.)

soyrizo headache (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 29 December 2008 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

i buy and sell on discogs. have only had 1 bad experience with a guy who tried to charge me 10 dollars to ship a cd single from Canada.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

i've shopped quite a bit on Discogs, 30+ purchases or so, and I have been satisfied in all but one. And in that instance I filed a claim through PayPal and got my money back. As long as you use PayPal you should be fine and protected, prices are high though and I don't buy anything under NM-, like everyone else here has said.

san frandisco, Monday, 29 December 2008 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

I've used it once so far without problem. There are some rare and/or hard to get things on there, but the prices seem a little over the odds a lot of the time.

krakow, Monday, 29 December 2008 22:11 (eleven years ago) link

eight months pass...

lol last post on thread: http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?seller=musicberlin

Um, someone want to try and explain this to me? Also WRT his feedback rating/comments?

you used to sleep with somebody who avoided a soap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

hahaha. so weird. just 5 seconds ago i sent my friend a link to a record that is also $1540.00. 2 days ago it was $15. something's wacky.

jaxon, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

holy shit, so weird. it's actually the same seller. wtf

jaxon, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

discogs allows you to bulk upload items to your marketplace account for sale via a .csv file. I guess with an inventory of 25000 items this is what that seller does and that their prices got out of whack somehow in the process.

krakow, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

what i cant stand about discogs is the inflexiblity of postage rates. if im ordering one white label 12, theres no way the postage will be £2.75 or £3. very fucking annoying.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

should that weigh less than a non white label?

jaxon, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:37 (eleven years ago) link

xp OK that probably explains that

titchy are you saying that's over the odds? It's not if you consider postage plus if you have to buy a mailer!

you used to sleep with somebody who avoided a soap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:38 (eleven years ago) link

i suppose. but white labels are still cheaper than normal lps.

i do like discogs though, the offers system is good too. some of the prices people put on their records though is ridiculous (and i do wonder if they do end up getting the prices they ask for).

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

what i cant stand about discogs is the inflexiblity of postage rates. if im ordering one white label 12, theres no way the postage will be £2.75 or £3. very fucking annoying.

― titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:36 (18 minutes ago)

Postage rates have nothing to do with discogs though, they're entirely up to the individual seller, so I'm not sure what you mean by them being inflexible. You should contact the seller if you think they're charging over the odds.

I happily both send and receive offers on prices via discogs, often the listed price is just a ball park, or best hope, or even a stab in the dark if you're the only person selling an item.

Again, if you think something's over priced then just speak to the seller. No big deal. If they don't like your offer they'll ignore it or let you know. Easy as pie.

krakow, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

well i mean the indvidual seller obv, yeah.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

four months pass...

I need to get rid of lots of dance vinyl - some desirable, some considerably less so - and ebay seems like a busted flush for this kind of thing: a few tumbleweed auctions surrounded by acres of Buy It Now postings from professional retailers. Has anyone here used it for selling recently? Is it better than ebay now? Does stuff shift fairly quickly or sit around for months?

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 25 January 2010 17:44 (ten years ago) link

I use discogs for buying and selling fairly often. For dance vinyl, I'd say it's def better than ebay. It's really quick and simple to list items, and there are no fees unless your items actually sell, whereas Ebay charges a listing fee. I have some things on discogs that have been sitting for quite a while now, but it all depends on what you have vs. how many others are selling the same item.

one time gaffled 'em up (one time), Monday, 25 January 2010 19:35 (ten years ago) link

Best to put them on Discogs a couple bucks below whatever is the cheapest copy if you want to move it immediately. if you're in no hurry, put it at a good price, offer a discount for multiple items in the Comments field and wait.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 25 January 2010 19:45 (ten years ago) link

Good advice. Thanks. Tbh I'm more interested in offloading most of it than making big £££.

Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 25 January 2010 20:36 (ten years ago) link

ive put some stuff around the lowest price theyre listed at on discogs but still waiting to shift them. starting to think im possibly the only person buying old grime or dubstep 12s.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 14:53 (ten years ago) link

five months pass...

what does it mean when there's a color bar to the side of a release in discogs.

there's yellow, grey and orange here http://www.discogs.com/artist/Rolling+Stones%2C+The

jaxon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 22:55 (ten years ago) link

If you hover over them it tells you.

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 22:57 (ten years ago) link

ah! thank you. i've been searching for hours

jaxon, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 23:05 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

So, if one were selling off a few hundred records of the psych / noise / jazz / indie variety, discogs over eBay, for sure? My issue with discogs (and, for CDs, Amazon) is the fact that things sell in spurts, with no deadline. It tends to make packing records and regular trips to the post office a full time job. Any advice?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:55 (eight years ago) link

i dunno, i always buy on discogs, sell on amazon. i don't want to wait for people to stumble over what i'm trying to unload, and on average, i get really good money from ebay sales.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:33 (eight years ago) link

i think the upside (sale price) on ebay is (or can be) higher, but the ease of doing stuff on discogs might be better, depending on how much hassle you're willing to go through

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:35 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, I find Discogs has rarer stuff in the first place, and then for a more reasonable price than Amazon. If what you're selling is aimed at the collectors market or folks that may not look at Amazon first, Discogs is the way to go.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:12 (eight years ago) link

Thanks!

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:01 (eight years ago) link

it feels good to sell rare-ish things on ebay for +£££s to people who don't know about discogs ;)

jed_, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:31 (eight years ago) link

Coincidentally they just linked to this via their Facebook page:

http://www.discogs.com/blog/339369-top-30-most-expensive-items-sold-by-month

boxedjoy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:40 (eight years ago) link

eight months pass...

Advice on this:

Person contacts me on Discogs about an item that I am not listing for sale, offers me a large (but not obscene) amount for it, then paypals me with his "brother-in-law's" account and wants me to ship it to his sister (he's in Europe). Obviously I'm not going to ship it to anyone other than his brother-in-law (since anything else violates PayPal's Seller TOS) but should I even do that? Is this some sort of crazy elaborate scam to get a CD single? His Discogs rating is fine... but the whole thing seems pretty suspicious.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:02 (seven years ago) link

Obviously I will not accept the payment if I don't ship him anything btw.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 7 January 2013 17:06 (seven years ago) link

I would just make sure to do delivery confirmation/insurance so he can't say it never arrived and file a claim with Paypal. That's the only scam I could think of if he already paid. Unless he somehow got hold of someone else's Paypal account but that seems far fetched.

Does seem a little suspicious to have done enough business on discogs to have a rating and yet you don't have your own Paypal acct?

dmr, Monday, 7 January 2013 17:40 (seven years ago) link

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sleeve, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:24 (five years ago) link

hmm discogs is really a good database and have often thought it would be nice to be able to look up different editions of books/comics/movies instead of just doing ebay-searches but not sure if this seems like a greedy move or an enthusiast move, also not sure if such databases/market places already exist

also, any thoughts on whether the new tax policy will be very harmful to the 2nd hand market place? (apparently Discogs will add 25% tax or something for all orders going from US to EU)

niels, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:42 (five years ago) link

Whoa- what? Really?

Evan, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:04 (five years ago) link

It's VAT that's now payable on *fees* paid by sellers at their local rate if they are in the EU. Fees are 8% of sales prices.

Noel Emits, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:53 (five years ago) link

So it only applies to sellers in the EU and it's nothing to do with where orders are going. I think it works out to no more than around 1.8% on the price of a record in practice. Presumably VAT registered businesses would be able to claim it back as well so no need to pass it on to customers.

Noel Emits, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:56 (five years ago) link

I'll give Discogs credit for hooking me up with a good guy from Norway who had a Neil Young tribute LP I'd been trying to get for eight years (Everybody Knows This Is Norway. It's worth more than I was prepared to pay, so he ripped the CD, put it up on Soulseek, and I got it from him that way.

The other thing I've listed on my want-list is a Velvet Underground tribute that came out in the late '80s. I get an e-mail every few weeks saying one's up for sale, but it's always around 20 pounds, which after conversion and shipping is just way out of my buying range.

clemenza, Saturday, 18 April 2015 01:29 (five years ago) link

It seems to be a good place to buy from. I've only had one negative experience I can think of where a cd arrived shattered because it was sent with neither jewel case or adequate padding.
May have been others but that is the only one came to mind. Think I got a refund but not the cd I wanted.
Discogs is also a reasonably ok resource though it does have gaps. I use it frequently when EACing cds I've bought when they're not in the EAC database. Tends to have tracklisting down for main release version at least.
Gap can be in what releases are listed though.
Would be useful to have reviews of lps and individual release versions too. I think there are some reviews on site but sporadic. There is rateyourmusic I guess. But would be useful.

Stevolende, Saturday, 18 April 2015 07:00 (five years ago) link

I actually appreciate discogs more because of the lack of reviews. Everyone on Rateyourmusic considers themselves geniuses but they're really just a slightly better class of youtube commenter.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 18 April 2015 07:04 (five years ago) link

I had someone buy from me in Argentina but wanted me to ship to his sister in Chile as you are 'not allowed' more than two foreign packages a year or some such.

So I did, and it all went fine.

Mark G, Saturday, 18 April 2015 10:13 (five years ago) link

JUst thinking that it would make it a full resource if people said what they thought of the lp since it could help one work out which lps by an artist were worth getting. also which pressings/releases of which lp.
BUt I guess that most people going to discogs are doing so to buy material they're already aware of. Particularly marketplace.
Just thought if it was done right it could help the experience. But not sure how 'doing it right' would be achieved anyway since I can see what johnny's saying about rateyourmusic being true at least to some extent. Ego/opinion outweighing info etc

Do wonder where you get information on the best sounding versions of things from since it doesn't seem to be fully utilised on RYM and Amazon just mixes all reviews for all releases under a title together.

Stevolende, Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:23 (five years ago) link

Of course anyone can post reviews on there and the entire database is user populated. The process of submitting release data excludes editorialising though, which is as it should or it would never get done and.disagreements would be endless.

I like that the site still feels a bit down-home and ungentrified. Not unlike this place really. My impression is that the staff are still enthusiasts for the most part.

Noel Emits, Saturday, 18 April 2015 15:38 (five years ago) link

discogs are reviews are great, it's either:
a) old school clubbers reminiscing and being crazy hyperbolic about old school house/rave
b) a bunch of people posting "repress please?" or "you gougers should be ashamed or yourself" (hip euro "underground" deep house 12"s on small labels)
c) some person posting "the label on my copy is more periwinkle than violet and 'chuggin gasoline' is about 6 seconds longer than on the original uk chiswick issue"

brimstead, Sunday, 19 April 2015 03:39 (five years ago) link

Yeah I think I'm going to bow out of international sales. They're maybe 1 in 20 anyway.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 18 September 2020 13:39 (one week ago) link

I've never sold anything through it, but judging by Twitter... this is going to do more than decimate international sales. At least six different shops/people I follow said they are switching back to eBay.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:13 (one week ago) link

There's no reason it should decimate international sales other than sellers en mass throwing their hands up in confusion and/or succumbing to what amounts to something of a 'moral panic' regarding the usability of automatic checkouts. The main real difficulty is inland shipping for countries with different pricing internally as there is no good provision for that.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:31 (one week ago) link

The price of shipping an album to and from Europe / Canada -> U.S. skyrocketed the last few years which is more responsible for decimating international sales from my perspective. It's around 15-20 bucks to get a single LP shipped from most EU countries. Germany seems to be the only exception.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 18 September 2020 14:51 (one week ago) link

Bought a copy of Singles Going Steady off a guy as part of a 6-record purchase last week - they arrived yesterday, and tho the media was tagged as NM/M- there's surface noise all through, on both sides. Have mentioned this to him, and am a bit vexed about it tbh. I hate when Discogs sellers are shifty.

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 18 September 2020 14:55 (one week ago) link

Any reviews on the quality of the pressing you bought? Sealed/mint vinyl can have a bunch of surface noise, though i guess this wasn't such a thing til recently. Seller maybe just eyeballed it.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:00 (one week ago) link

On the shipping racket... i haven't looked into setting my rates yet, but this will probably make me go domestic (Canada) only. I'm super small time at this and just not going to make much effort with what they're up to.

When i browse as a buyer, the way it is set up now, i see all sorts of greyed out stuff not available to ship to Canada. Hopefully it stays like that, so if, say, I'm the only seller on something somebody abroad is after, they could message me and work it out.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:02 (one week ago) link

From what I gather international mail pricing is much simpler in Canada than inland where it varies by multiple region codes.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:04 (one week ago) link

xps Yeah eBay is keyed in enough with various shippers to just tell the buyer how much the thing will cost to get to them. Discogs doesn't seem ready for what they're trying to do.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:05 (one week ago) link

xp I'm in Newfoundland, I'll probably just set it all as if I'm shipping to Vancouver!

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:06 (one week ago) link

Any reviews on the quality of the pressing you bought? Sealed/mint vinyl can have a bunch of surface noise, though i guess this wasn't such a thing til recently. Seller maybe just eyeballed it.

Oh, this wasn't sealed, and the sleeve was accurately described as "G" - the vinyl was dirty, too, and cleaning barely made any difference.

Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:06 (one week ago) link

oh that is a bad grading by the seller

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:07 (one week ago) link

Discogs doesn't seem ready for what they're trying to do.

...to the surprise of pretty much no one who has ever peeked under the hood there

sleeve, Friday, 18 September 2020 15:08 (one week ago) link

There's no reason it should decimate international sales other than sellers en mass throwing their hands up in confusion and/or succumbing to what amounts to something of a 'moral panic' regarding the usability of automatic checkouts. The main real difficulty is inland shipping for countries with different pricing internally as there is no good provision for that.

― Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, September 18, 2020 10:31 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I hope this doesn't come off as rude (I don't mean it to be) but your post seems to indicate that you are a Discogs seller who has successfully navigated this change. Are you and have you?

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 18 September 2020 15:22 (one week ago) link

Discogs has generally been pretty reliable for me, it's eBay where you get those "played once" records that are full of scratches and fingerprints

something's definitely been up with the shipping lately, I've bought from 2 people last week who had a "$0.00" shipping option despite the fact that the record I was buying was under five bucks. didn't pick it cuz obviously it was a mistake.

sucks that the international shipping rates are so high right now, there's just so much stuff I'd like to pick up from Europe and Asia that I can't get without paying an additional $30 or whatever

frogbs, Friday, 18 September 2020 15:28 (one week ago) link

Yeah the site is really not a lot of use to me since German postal rates went up so much.

maf you one two (maffew12), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:41 (one week ago) link

Yes and no, Paul xp.

I (finally) started using shipping policies a few months ago, before they announced it would be required. So not much of a change for me, except to ensure that the policies are "complete".

It didn't take long to determine that for me it made most sense to set it up using "weight", a couple of people up thread have also said. I haven't looked closely at the updates they've done but I'm sticking with that for now.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:42 (one week ago) link

I've never sold anything through it, but judging by Twitter... this is going to do more than decimate international sales. At least six different shops/people I follow said they are switching back to eBay.


Ugh don't make me go back to eBay.

Boring, Maryland, Friday, 18 September 2020 15:53 (one week ago) link

this thread is fairly typical of what I've seen so far this morning, especially the replies

Me: jesus, 2020 couldn't possibly get any worse @discogs implementation of new, baffling, mandatory changes to shipping policies: pic.twitter.com/I22Hj5zkOp

— james toth (@jimmyjacktoth) September 18, 2020

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 15:55 (one week ago) link

lol fuck that guy, never gonna miss a chance to say that

sleeve, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:05 (one week ago) link

the single worst human I have encountered through ILX

sleeve, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:05 (one week ago) link

okay, i guess that was a bad example to pick. it was more the commentary in the responses that made me think this sounds like a terrible mess.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 16:09 (one week ago) link

no worries! it is a good example tbh. sorry for reheating old beef.

sleeve, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:38 (one week ago) link

and this does seem like a huge mess, feeling very thankful rn that I only sell at shows/in person.

sleeve, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:38 (one week ago) link

it’s madness, the main reason I stopped shipping outside of the U.S. was the unpredictability of overseas shipping costs, forcing people to do this is not good

brimstead, Friday, 18 September 2020 16:55 (one week ago) link

I'm considering taking down the 50-75 records I have up on there now that are under $20 and just bringing them to a record store for credit or something. I've never exactly been a power seller or anything so this hassle is just not worth the trouble for me right now.

Has anyone had any luck with eBay's Global Shipping Program, or is that a mess too?

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:09 (one week ago) link

I’ve been having more records show up mangled due to postal abuse. Seems like about half the time there’s a bend in the package. I don’t know if the Houston postal service is heavy handed or what, but it’s bumming me out.

Cow_Art, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:12 (one week ago) link

I misread that as “blood in the package”

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:40 (one week ago) link

Everyone post your items you'd like to sell in a spreadsheet with prices or trade offers!

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 18 September 2020 19:22 (one week ago) link

I'm in little doubt that Discogs marketplace requiring automatic checkout policies that cover all possible orders is in very large part to do with tax collection obligations. Or rather, not wanting to test the liability question, which means doing everything "reasonable" to "sufficiently" track all transactions they facilitate. There's no question this is a major consideration for online marketplace venues now. Currently they are obliged to collect US sales taxes, GST for Aus and NZ, and it looks like from January 1st 2021 VAT in the UK (in the EU from July.)

I can guess they aren't exactly highlighting this as a policy driver (aside from it being a negative driver) for the very same reasons that there is some considerable urgency about sorting it out.

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/vat-news/2021-eu-marketplaces-vat-deemed-supplier.html

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:41 (one week ago) link

I open up my record and it's full of blood.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Friday, 18 September 2020 19:47 (one week ago) link

Which has just brought home to me that as things stand from January in the UK there will be VAT on all online marketplace purchases from outside the UK.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 20:30 (one week ago) link

I Keep Coming Across This One Guy's Record Reviews

https://www.discogs.com/user/wezbash

kites aren't fun (NickB), Friday, 18 September 2020 20:33 (one week ago) link

You can link right to his reviews: https://www.discogs.com/user/wezbash/reviews?header=1

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 18 September 2020 21:24 (one week ago) link

ugh, n-word on that page, man's a fucking tool

kites aren't fun (NickB), Friday, 18 September 2020 21:28 (one week ago) link

Canadian sellers do seem particularly disadvantaged by the ASP enforcement; it’s all over the forums at present. Meanwhile, I’ve been having a simply marvellous time individually weighing all my many hundreds of CDs, LPs and 12”s and entering them on each sales listing. I’ve since spent many equally happy hours constructing a humongous spreadsheet to calculate all the myriad combinations of pricing bands that will be needed in order to generate accurate and competitive rates for every conceivable order that might come through. Ultimately, it IS doable if you put the hours in, and since Discogs sales are my only remaining source of income, I’m pretty damned motivated to do so. My entirely selfish hope now is that, with so many sellers in imminent retreat from the whole nightmarish shitshow, I might actually pick up more sales after October 1st, due to the reduced competition. Yay capitalism.

mike t-diva, Friday, 18 September 2020 22:42 (one week ago) link

One thing about weight and pricing bands is that as only a very limited set of order types can be sent as a Large Letter, I know that no order above a given weight can be sent as a Large Letter. That was a key thing to realise (and became apparent as I plotted it out on a spreadsheet) because it makes things much simpler than may at first appear. It's only the region up to that weight that needs close attention, as above it it's into parcel territory.

I also don't think it's necessary or really worth the time to weigh everything. Some things do need adjusting, like outsized CD cases so they don't fall in ranges for Large Letter post, but otherwise I think any gains in 'accuracy' for postage charges would be marginal and mostly non-existent.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 23:14 (one week ago) link

I did end up with ~20 weight bands up to the point above which no Large Letters happen. Some of them are for specific things like 7"s with tapes where I wouldn't want to try and pack them as letters. So the precise combined weight gets charged as a Small Parcel. Weighing then would actually fuck that up. Even that probably wasn't necessary but I wanted to see if it was doable, and it's nice to know it's there.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Friday, 18 September 2020 23:24 (one week ago) link

Beatles in Mono box set
NM/NM

Missing a few records. [lists the 4 records missing.] White album has a few scratches but still VG+. Does not come with book.

***

I wish there was a way of flagging blatant misgrading like this. Like buddy, this is about as near mint as I am.

The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 18 September 2020 23:47 (one week ago) link

what i do wonder about is people who try to sell bootlegs which are banned from being sold under a listing for the OG record, but specify "bootleg" in the comments. can you get penalized for this ?

budo jeru, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:25 (one week ago) link

xp to Noel Emits: I’m wondering if you’re just selling UK to UK, as I think things get more complicated once you’re into international Small Parcel territory. UK parcels are flat rate up to 2kg if you ship 2nd class, but with international parcels, you’ve got narrow price bands by weight that change every 250g up to 2kg, with some significant price jumps between the bands. Then you’ve got three rates - standard, economy and tracked - and four zones: Europe, US, Auz/NZ and “rest of the world”. The weight bands are why weighing of large vinyl and CD became necessary. Large vinyl typically falls between 160g for a thin 12” and 300g for a fat vintage LP in a thick gatefold, so one item can weight twice as much as another. And with CDs, most of mine are in gatefold plastic wallets at around 30g, but those in digipacks weight twice as much and those still in jewel cases twice as much again.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:34 (one week ago) link

So I get why people with smaller stock lists might just go: sod it, I’ll just ship domestic, but in my case, about a third of my orders are international and a significant proportion of these are bulk. I had an order of 20 CDs to Australia yesterday, and about 3.5kg of large vinyl to the US earlier in the week. With the latter, tracked shipping would have worked out at about £60, so you really need to calculate accurately (understandably they went for economy at about half the price, even though it can take up to 12 weeks to arrive).

mike t-diva, Saturday, 19 September 2020 06:52 (one week ago) link

No Mike I'm set up to ship internationally.

It can be worthwhile distinguishing between CD packaging types (and I do) but this can mostly be done by sight and is for the most part about determining whether a small letter will be over 100g or not.

I think in practice 250g weight bands with a suitable amount factored in for packaging offers a reasonable margin for error. You can also err on the cautious side and either adjust it before a buyer's pays or refund some difference if you want. Or you can aim for an average.

With larger bulk orders in one sense it can become more critical, but in others not so much because a) you're not likely to be directly competing over the same set of 30 records, the buyer will probably want to discuss it first, and you are making money on a large order even if you happen to under charge some for shipping.

I don't think it's worth getting hung up on potential edge cases (something I se3 a lot of people doing), get it so it's right most of the time and on a erage it balances out. And I don't evaluate some presumed "competitive edge" as being worth the time involved with weighing literally everything, and actually the way I set it up depends on using standardised weights anyway.

But each to their own and I've seen these discussions a hundred times or more by now.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Saturday, 19 September 2020 07:47 (one week ago) link

By the way I do actually think it's cool that you're taking the trouble to diligently weigh every item and perhaps ideally every professional seller should. It's really a stock check and something that anyone running a sales business should expect to do from time to time.

I guess I've just seen a large number of them flat out refusing to countenance doing so.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Saturday, 19 September 2020 08:02 (one week ago) link

For smaller sellers though I think they could be reassured that it doesn't have to be so hard. When I first looked into it my first reaction was like many people's - what? This is stupid how is it supposed to... but then it literally took a matter of minutes to find some good answers to my main questions in old discussions. Not all but a good proportion of supposed issues and objections are based are based on misconceptions.

Setting it up was certainly a bit of a project, I had to study it and make notes and so on, but I knew it was perfectly possible because it's been in use for years. And I wasn't going to let it not work for me.

Kieron Arse (Noel Emits), Saturday, 19 September 2020 08:11 (one week ago) link

Is this the end for Discogs? A shipping policy change meets almost unanimous condemnation from users. A real shame, but hard to see how they can continue if this thing goes ahead as planned on 1 October. pic.twitter.com/KbXNifJtrb

— Max Tundra (@MaxTundra) September 19, 2020

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Saturday, 19 September 2020 09:10 (one week ago) link

It's sad to see so many of their users turn on the company. But online outrage can easily look far more uninimoua than it really is. Their forums alwqys blow up when anythinng changes. I really don't need reminding of the problems and limitations with the checkout system so spare me that but for most users it will work and once set up there is less work to do.

The visible reaction does have more than a little of the moral panic about it with the outrage and a hefty dose of misconceptions being echoed, with very little willingness to take on board information that offers counterpoint and balance.

Is anyone asking buyers how they feel about having all total prices easily readable and not having to wait for sellers to get round to invoicing?

Kieran Arse (Noel Emits), Saturday, 19 September 2020 09:36 (one week ago) link

Yeah, improving things for buyers is the likely key driver for the ASP enforcement, and the changes will certainly work in their favour. Automatic calculation of shipping costs is pretty much universally expected elsewhere, so the current manual invoicing system does place Discogs out on a limb.

I take your other points, Noel, but the ultra-fastidious option (which still has its own compromises and trade-offs) is the one I ultimately feel most comfortable with, and at least my laborious formulas will be future-proof. So the next time the postage rates go up (as they have done three times this year already), it will be much easier to regenerate all the shipping costs; that's been heavy-going until now.

mike t-diva, Saturday, 19 September 2020 10:54 (one week ago) link

Sellers could take this change as an opportunity to modestly raise their shipping prices as insurance against the occasional bad surprise. Most buyers wouldn't notice paying a dollar or two extra for shipping.

Buy-through rate will also probably increase sitewide once buyers don't have to wait for a shipping invoice and can make the same kind of impulse, instant gratification purchases as on every other major e-commerce site.

skip, Sunday, 20 September 2020 17:21 (six days ago) link

email from a vendor I previously bought from:

Unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances brought on by Discogs, we will be closing our store by October 1.
All new orders for CDs, vinyl and multi media will be discounted 5% at checkout until the end of this month.
Thank you for your support.

sleeve, Monday, 21 September 2020 03:26 (five days ago) link


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