The Irish

let it die, for the best

I could post this in any number of threads but this is a good breakdown of the issues with citizens’ assemblies by good Irish twitter user/writer Mr_considerate. (His real name is there but idk if he wants them linked!)

Since I am here by myself and have some lunch time left, the other pressing issue of the day (LBI!)

Accentmonkey of ILX used to live in Meath.

???

I was in Meath at the end of last year, had a v nice time pottering about historical sites and drinking the good guinness in a tiny cottage pub that looked like it'd barely changed in 50 years

Did you go to Newgrange? I went there as a child but my only abiding memory is my dad getting sick outside. Would love to do winter solstice but imagine it’s incredibly difficult.

Not this time but I also went as a child and was v struck by it

thanks Gyac! So it's Garro-idg vs Ga-rode then :D

(Accentmonkey is an ilx-user of yore)

Do love there can be so many different variations, even within the same language, because of dialect and regional variaties.

You should go to Clonmacnoise next time you’re in the Midlands, it’s a beautiful site, and it makes an appearance in Heaney:

The annals say: when the monks of Clonmacnoise
Were all at prayers inside the oratory
A ship appeared above them in the air.

The anchor dragged along behind so deep
It hooked itself into the altar rails
And then, as the big hull rocked to a standstill,

A crewman shinned and grappled down the rope
And struggled to release it. But in vain.
‘This man can’t bear our life here and will drown,’

The abbot said, ‘unless we help him.’ So
They did, the freed ship sailed, and the man climbed back
Out of the marvellous as he had known it.

Do love there can be so many different variations, even within the same language, because of dialect and regional variaties.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:36 (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

dont defer at all g, we have a great thread somewhere that does indeed go into the sheer variance and regionality of our many accents

said it manys the time, theres seven accents on the island and traceable if i may be allowed to imagine without any evidence other than my own fancy back to the seven different maisteairi of the different parishes back when everyones grandparents were learning proper enguleesh

Well my Irish teachers were always telling us how Leinster is a desert for Irish (true) although we did spend time in a Gaeltacht in Meath(!) and I will never forget my oral examiner telling me our school was “much better than the Dublin girls, with their ‘O mo Dhia’”. Yeah, it was my worst subject but I love the language itself, but we didn’t have the best teachers at LC.

deems do you say Fine Gale or Fine Gwale?

not answering until you tell me how u pronounce fine

non-irish: observe. this is how we behave among our own.

Yeah, it was my worst subject but I love the language itself, but we didn’t have the best teachers at LC.

― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:01 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

can't speak it, but i know it to me bones as a true son of the boggy gaeltacht, so i can read it without hesitation as to accent.

basically i can read in sean-nós.

but as i think ive said manys the time here, despite being a bit of a grouch re the movements to boost the language (primarily on the twin fronts of the lecturing tone as to why one "should" know it as well as the wrongheaded approach to how to go about it) i regret not learning it to conversational level and promise myself most years to get working on it. its a beautiful language.

finn-eh

I say FYE-nance not Finn-ance RTÉ style if that’s where this was going

Accentmonkey is neither former Meath nor former ILX!

I would have thought someone in your employment needed to have it, or did the blueshirts send that the way of compulsory history to junior cert?

yeah you do hear it both ways, i find that people either say

finneh guwayel

or

fine gale (nice wind you got there)

hmm...if i ran at it without thinking id probably sound it as finna gyael meself.

no right way obv

I would have thought someone in your employment needed to have it, or did the blueshirts send that the way of compulsory history to junior cert?

― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:11 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

one of the many myths!

I should learn The Irish past my puny amount at some point, but Jen is learning Scottish Gaelic (pron. Gallic apparently?) and I'm not sure if it would be good or bad to have both ringing about the house at the same time.

I can hear gale or guwayel, but I don't think I've ever heard fine-as-in-soft-day!

(I might have asked this before but) do you still need to pass Irish to pass the LC?

one of the o/h's student flatmates in NI had got good marks at school in every other subject but had been forced to go up north for uni as because he couldn't scrape a pass in Irish even after many resits and so didn't get his piece of paper (so I was told)

he was a mature student by that time as he'd already gone to Silicon Valley, made a million in the dot com boom, then lost it again. he went back afterwards, quite possibly made another million, who knows about the hanging onto it this time round - good luck to him anyway

(also keen to hear the various positions on the Gale vs Gwale issue. is Gwoil an option or is that part just assumed to go without saying and/or interpolated by my tin tan ear?)

xp its a west coast thing

again testimony to the personalised aspect of the whole thing over here imo

on that note, id say no better tribute to the language than to have two different versions of it ringing around the one house

i speak six different dialects of english meself, depending, so i mean

aps, unless you're exempt then as far as my knowledge goes then you do

exempt, as far as i remember, only really covers your having been a citizen abroad until x age or whatever

and, not being funny but it is rather on point, id need to know how you pronounced gwoil, really.

finn-ants is one of many oar-tee-ee sins against language obv

I’ve never heard Fine as in fine, what are they feeding ye out there

Accentmonkey is neither former Meath nor former ILX!

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, March 9, 2020 4:11 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Ehm, am I missing something here? Accentmonkey was a former ilxor. Or rather: there was a user named accentmonkey around for quite some time.

Finn-ants is hideous. So is Fianna FOY-IL.

Dyslexia will also do it, as per my sister's two eldest.

For the exception, not the fine.

i speak six different dialects of english meself, depending, so i mean

I mean, same, but usually within the same sentence, which can roll on out for days, alerting passing shipping.

xp need to know how you pronounce F tbh

She's still here, though I don't want to blow up her spot.

Deems upload your own clip of Fine Gael, I refuse to believe the evidence of my eyes

(ok that last may be a slight exaggeration)

xp oic

xxxxp is this a feck vs fuck thing?

one of the days ilx will hear my lilting tones

but twont be today

One of my proudest achievements living in the UK is the amount of Hiberno-Irish and just Irish picked up by the husband.

xp seachtó a seacht you coward

actually should we ever find that other thread iirc theres a recording of me reading a story to my niece in fact

meh i just dont like me voice tbrr

btw i blame ilx for my new habit of offhandedly calling mrs mac a coward for the smallest reason

xp to gyac it is weirdly hard to find a picture of Mr Tatyo giving a thumbs-up, particularly since that's one of the few hand gestures within his grasp - but imagine that here.

xp if ilx can hear my perpetually tired & cracked voice we can hear yours

xxxxp is this a feck vs fuck thing?

xxp the only Tayto I bend my knee to
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